[RBW] Re: FS: 62 CM Hunqapillar and other goodies.

[Jan O.]

Beautiful Hunqapillar frame Zack. If only it were a 58cm...

Jan
San Francisco, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62 CM Hunqapillar and other goodies.

[Jeremy Till]

Hi Zack, 

I'm interested in the frame/fork and probably the seatpost. It seems PM's 
are disabled in this wonderful new google groups interface so please email 
me at jeremy dot till at gmail dot com. 

Thanks,

Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:14:41 PM UTC-7 Zack wrote:

> I am FINALLY getting around to selling my 62 cm hunq frame and fork. Let 
> me know if you know anyone who might be interested. Enough wear and tear 
> and beausage so that you know someone actually rode it, but pretty amazing 
> shape. I dripped some shellac on one of the downtubes. *$1500.*
>
> Also have a Nitto big front rack, same thing, a few dings here and there 
> but p great shape. *$150*
>
> Nitto S83 Seat Post, not sure the exact size, but it fit the Hunq,* $85*
>
> Paul Touring Canti Brake, Silver* $75*
>
> Paul Neo Retro Brake, Silver* $75*
>
> These prices don't include shipping, will figure out whatever shipping 
> costs are and pass them along to you. If you want the Hunq and don't live 
> in Portland, I will try and find a place to box and ship. More pics, but 
> couldn't figure out how to get them to post. [image: IMG_1895.jpg]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Eric, nice review.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 9:50 PM Eric G@rs  wrote:

> Russ posted a more complete review of the Hillborne a bit ago.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0I6PY0cvo
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Re: [RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Eric G@rs]

Russ posted a more complete review of the Hillborne a bit ago. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0I6PY0cvo
Sounds like he liked it so much that be bought one of his own! 

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Re: [RBW] Sweepy bars, stem length, and climbing out of the saddle

[Patrick Moore]

This is true, of course, but the other person was complaining of reach
problems, and my comments reflected his remarks.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 6:26 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:

>  It really depends on the frame. Swept back bars work better on some
> frames than others. A long top tube is helpful.

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[RBW] Sweepy bars, stem length, and climbing out of the saddle

[Paul Clifton]

I disagree with Patrick, and without having read the articles, I think I agree 
with Garth. It really depends on the frame. Swept back bars work better on some 
frames than others. A long top tube is helpful. I climb stand with Albatross 
and Bosco bars with my body up in between the grips without sliding my hands 
forward very much. A longer top tube makes that position, relative to the 
pedals, more similar to a bike with drop or straight bars, where the grips are 
more in line with or in front of the head tube. Bar width also matters some.

Paul in NW Arkansas

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: TangeSeiki 118 BB, Suntour NOS XC Expert 1 1/4 front derailleur

[Joel Stern]

Perfect Garth, thanks.  I will do that.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 7:07 PM Garth  wrote:

> Joel,  Fwiw, you could keep the fd and use a Shimano 31.8mm shim with it.
> Nashbar/Performance bike sell them for $3 plus $1.99 shipping. I've done
> this and it works great, and won't mark the frame if that's a concern.
>
> https://www.nashbar.com/shimano-ultegra-fd6800-front-derailleur-clamp-shim-reduces-31.8mm-to-28.6mm-y5p198030/p578001
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> I screwed up and both a 1 1/4 instead of a 1 1/8 on Ebay and missed the
>> return window, I paid $20.  I will sell it here for $20 shipped if anyone
>> needs one.
>>
>> The BB I can return but see no reason not to pass my misfortune into a
>> good deal for someone else. The BB $32 ship, I will sell it for $27 shipped.
>>
>> If not I can still return the BB but if in need let me know.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [RBW] shimmy 71.5 head angle

[ascpgh]

Trail for sure makes sense, lower has less stabilizing effect at rolling 
speeds but the other variables do have profundity beyond their list 
relegated value. My Rambouillet scared the heck out of me on a long steep 
downhill when it broke out in a full-on shimmy oscillation. I had no load 
other than my small seat pack with spare tube, spartan tools and a folding 
spare outside under the cinch. That was on 28c tires and was on a county 
asphalt road. Happened another time following a nominal brush of the 
handlebars going downhill in a local cemetery in a group.  

Never happened again after moving to 32 tires, regardless of load. 

The violence of that oscillation is sure memorable. Knees to the top tube! 
If you figure out the right formula of initiating a speed wobble, learn it 
and never repeat it!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:43:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Shimmy can be caused by any number of things; it seems to be common with 
> low trail designs built from very light tubing. 
>
> Eliminating those 2 things leaves an indefinite number of other things. My 
> 2003 stout-tubed custom shimmied after I changed tires; with other tires, 
> it disappeared.
>
> Start by eliminating single things, like adding a couple of lbs or 
> removing a couple of lbs from your load. Change tire pressure. Change 
> tires. 
>
> Without more details about your bike and its setup, one can only 
> conjecture in a void.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:54 AM Sam Perez  > wrote:
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>> why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the 
>> handle bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts? 
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[RBW] Re: FS: TangeSeiki 118 BB, Suntour NOS XC Expert 1 1/4 front derailleur

[Garth]

Joel,  Fwiw, you could keep the fd and use a Shimano 31.8mm shim with it. 
Nashbar/Performance bike sell them for $3 plus $1.99 shipping. I've done 
this and it works great, and won't mark the frame if that's a concern. 
https://www.nashbar.com/shimano-ultegra-fd6800-front-derailleur-clamp-shim-reduces-31.8mm-to-28.6mm-y5p198030/p578001



On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> I screwed up and both a 1 1/4 instead of a 1 1/8 on Ebay and missed the 
> return window, I paid $20.  I will sell it here for $20 shipped if anyone 
> needs one.
>
> The BB I can return but see no reason not to pass my misfortune into a 
> good deal for someone else. The BB $32 ship, I will sell it for $27 shipped.
>
> If not I can still return the BB but if in need let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
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[RBW] Re: FS: 62 CM Hunqapillar and other goodies.

[Scott Calhoun]

Really great frame and GLWS. This line in your post made me laugh, "I 
dripped some shellac on one of the downtubes" So many downtubes to drip on! 
haha. 

Scott

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-7 Zack wrote:

> [image: IMG_1898.jpg]
> [image: IMG_1899.jpg]
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:15:21 PM UTC-7 Zack wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_1896.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_1897.jpg]
>> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:14:41 PM UTC-7 Zack wrote:
>>
>>> I am FINALLY getting around to selling my 62 cm hunq frame and fork. Let 
>>> me know if you know anyone who might be interested. Enough wear and tear 
>>> and beausage so that you know someone actually rode it, but pretty amazing 
>>> shape. I dripped some shellac on one of the downtubes. *$1500.*
>>>
>>> Also have a Nitto big front rack, same thing, a few dings here and there 
>>> but p great shape. *$150*
>>>
>>> Nitto S83 Seat Post, not sure the exact size, but it fit the Hunq,* $85*
>>>
>>> Paul Touring Canti Brake, Silver* $75*
>>>
>>> Paul Neo Retro Brake, Silver* $75*
>>>
>>> These prices don't include shipping, will figure out whatever shipping 
>>> costs are and pass them along to you. If you want the Hunq and don't live 
>>> in Portland, I will try and find a place to box and ship. More pics, but 
>>> couldn't figure out how to get them to post. [image: IMG_1895.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Heron Road 56.5cm $950

[Joe Bernard]

This is one I shouldn't have sold, too. It's light and smooth and fun and 
that price is crazy and someone should buy it right now!

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:

> This is beyond a really good deal. These are fantastic bikes. I had one. 
> Selling it was one of many stupid bicycle deals I've made. I'd suggest 
> anybody not familiar with Heron do a little homework. You'd be hard pressed 
> to find one in this condition as well. If I was in the market I'd pay that 
> for the frame alone and consider the parts a bonus. There's a reason you 
> don't see these for sale very often.
>
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 9:25:07 AM UTC-5, David Hallerman wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This first-generation Heron Road was designed by Grant Petersen in the 
>> late 1990s, built by Waterford Precision Cycles, and sold by Rivendell 
>> Bicycle Works. This all-steel, lugged Reynolds 531 tubing bike is in 
>> impeccable condition as are all the parts, since I put only 280 dry-weather 
>> miles on the odometer since its recent build with new parts.
>>
>> For now, though, what do I love best about this bike? Takes wider tires 
>> than many road bikes, and it's balanced, elegant, and much fun to ride. 
>> Parts highlights include Velocity wheels bought from Rivendell and the 
>> ever-lovely Sugino Alpina silver cranks.
>>
>> At *$950*, I believe this is a really good deal. Note the price does not 
>> include the saddle, pedals, and accessories. Detailed geometry and parts 
>> info below. Please read the NOTES below, too. Note as well that I cannot 
>> ship the bike right now, so the price is for pickup here in northern 
>> Westchester or I'll deliver your purchase within a 25-mile (or so) distance 
>> from my home.
>>
>> One photo attached, and more here: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Cs6TrE84nN98Rem9
>>
>> All questions quickly answered.
>>
>> Dave
>> +
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> *GEOMETRY*
>> Seat tube (c-c) = 56.0 cm
>> Top tube = 56.5 cm
>> Head tube = 143 mm
>> Chainstay = 42.5 mm
>> Standover height = 81.0 cm
>> Head tube angle = 73.5°
>> Seat tube angle = 72.5°
>>
>> *PARTS (saddle, pedals, accessories not included)*
>> Headset = Chris King 2-Nut, 1-inch threaded
>> Stem = Nitto UI-2, 110mm/90°
>> Cranks = Sugino Alpina, 170mm
>> Chainrings = Sugino 48/34
>> Cassette = Shimano Deore XT (750), 9-speed, 12x34
>> Front Derailleur = Shimano Dura-Ace (7410)
>> Rear Derailleur = Shimano Deore XT (750), 9-speed
>> Shifters = Campagnolo Centaur, 10-speed, grey
>> Brakes = Shimano Ultegra SL, grey
>> Seatpost = Suntour XC Pro, 27.2mm
>> Wheels = Velocity Silver hubs/Velocity Synergy rims
>> Tires = Vittoria Rubino Pro Tech, 700x28
>>
>> *NOTES*
>> The bike combines Campy Ergo shifters with a Shimano mountain rear 
>> cassette and a compact crankset. The Campy-Shimano merger is powered by a 
>> Shiftmate, a device I've found wonderfully reliable across dozens of bikes, 
>> with indexing as accurate and smooth as single-group setups.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Kurt, this is a beautiful thing you have done for your former spouse. Truly. 
I’m so sorry to hear that she’s fighting cancer. There isn’t a nicer gift you 
could have given her than this, and that’s the truth. I hope this bike 
facilitates her rehabilitation as her body fights and heals. You did a lovely 
job. ❤️ 

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Heron Road 56.5cm $950

[Frank Brose]

This is beyond a really good deal. These are fantastic bikes. I had one. 
Selling it was one of many stupid bicycle deals I've made. I'd suggest 
anybody not familiar with Heron do a little homework. You'd be hard pressed 
to find one in this condition as well. If I was in the market I'd pay that 
for the frame alone and consider the parts a bonus. There's a reason you 
don't see these for sale very often.

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 9:25:07 AM UTC-5, David Hallerman wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This first-generation Heron Road was designed by Grant Petersen in the 
> late 1990s, built by Waterford Precision Cycles, and sold by Rivendell 
> Bicycle Works. This all-steel, lugged Reynolds 531 tubing bike is in 
> impeccable condition as are all the parts, since I put only 280 dry-weather 
> miles on the odometer since its recent build with new parts.
>
> For now, though, what do I love best about this bike? Takes wider tires 
> than many road bikes, and it's balanced, elegant, and much fun to ride. 
> Parts highlights include Velocity wheels bought from Rivendell and the 
> ever-lovely Sugino Alpina silver cranks.
>
> At *$950*, I believe this is a really good deal. Note the price does not 
> include the saddle, pedals, and accessories. Detailed geometry and parts 
> info below. Please read the NOTES below, too. Note as well that I cannot 
> ship the bike right now, so the price is for pickup here in northern 
> Westchester or I'll deliver your purchase within a 25-mile (or so) distance 
> from my home.
>
> One photo attached, and more here: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Cs6TrE84nN98Rem9
>
> All questions quickly answered.
>
> Dave
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> *GEOMETRY*
> Seat tube (c-c) = 56.0 cm
> Top tube = 56.5 cm
> Head tube = 143 mm
> Chainstay = 42.5 mm
> Standover height = 81.0 cm
> Head tube angle = 73.5°
> Seat tube angle = 72.5°
>
> *PARTS (saddle, pedals, accessories not included)*
> Headset = Chris King 2-Nut, 1-inch threaded
> Stem = Nitto UI-2, 110mm/90°
> Cranks = Sugino Alpina, 170mm
> Chainrings = Sugino 48/34
> Cassette = Shimano Deore XT (750), 9-speed, 12x34
> Front Derailleur = Shimano Dura-Ace (7410)
> Rear Derailleur = Shimano Deore XT (750), 9-speed
> Shifters = Campagnolo Centaur, 10-speed, grey
> Brakes = Shimano Ultegra SL, grey
> Seatpost = Suntour XC Pro, 27.2mm
> Wheels = Velocity Silver hubs/Velocity Synergy rims
> Tires = Vittoria Rubino Pro Tech, 700x28
>
> *NOTES*
> The bike combines Campy Ergo shifters with a Shimano mountain rear 
> cassette and a compact crankset. The Campy-Shimano merger is powered by a 
> Shiftmate, a device I've found wonderfully reliable across dozens of bikes, 
> with indexing as accurate and smooth as single-group setups.
>

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[RBW] Re: Sweepy bars, stem length, and climbing out of the saddle

[Garth]

   Dan, Your frames handling is largely governed by it's design, namely the 
head angle and trail and the riders perceptivity in general.  Dave 
Moulton has lots of good stuff about bike design and handling. Going back 
further on your bike from what you say is only to make it feel more odd. 
It's best you read it yourself. 

http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2009/10/5/the-evolution-of-frame-design-part-i-the-wheelbarrow-effect.html

http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2007/5/4/trail-fork-rake-and-a-little-bit-of-history.html

http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2007/4/9/head-angles-and-steering.html


   

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[RBW] FS: TangeSeiki 118 BB, Suntour NOS XC Expert 1 1/4 front derailleur

[Joel]

I screwed up and both a 1 1/4 instead of a 1 1/8 on Ebay and missed the 
return window, I paid $20.  I will sell it here for $20 shipped if anyone 
needs one.

The BB I can return but see no reason not to pass my misfortune into a good 
deal for someone else. The BB $32 ship, I will sell it for $27 shipped.

If not I can still return the BB but if in need let me know.

Thanks

Joel

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Re: [RBW] shimmy 71.5 head angle

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore stated:  "Shimmy can be caused by any number of things"

That's true and correct.  Shimmy is resonance.  Resonance in a mechanical 
structure means everything important is just right.  

Patrick Moore is also spot on in the way to fix it: Change something and 
see if it fixed it.  If the resonance goes away, good, now you know.  If 
the resonance doesn't go away, change something else.  It's natural to want 
to change something that you can change for free, like tire pressure.  Try 
those things first.  Another thing you can change for free is the way you 
sit up and ride no handed.  See if your own weight distribution changes the 
shimmy.  It might, and if it does, maybe you will decide to simply fix the 
shimmy with your own riding technique.  

Nobody on earth will take any number of details from your machine and say 
"The reason your bike shimmies is because of X".  Nobody understands it 
completely, and nobody has sufficient understanding to look over a bike and 
say "this bike shimmies".  It is entirely an empirical exercise.  
Theoretical generalizations can be applied after the fact, but none are 
universal.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 12:43:47 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Shimmy can be caused by any number of things; it seems to be common with 
> low trail designs built from very light tubing. 
>
> Eliminating those 2 things leaves an indefinite number of other things. My 
> 2003 stout-tubed custom shimmied after I changed tires; with other tires, 
> it disappeared.
>
> Start by eliminating single things, like adding a couple of lbs or 
> removing a couple of lbs from your load. Change tire pressure. Change 
> tires. 
>
> Without more details about your bike and its setup, one can only 
> conjecture in a void.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:54 AM Sam Perez  wrote:
>
>> why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the 
>> handle bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts? 
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Re: [RBW] shimmy 71.5 head angle

[Sam Perez]

interesting, ok ill get more details and see if that will help narrow down 
the issue.

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 12:43:47 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Shimmy can be caused by any number of things; it seems to be common with 
> low trail designs built from very light tubing. 
>
> Eliminating those 2 things leaves an indefinite number of other things. My 
> 2003 stout-tubed custom shimmied after I changed tires; with other tires, 
> it disappeared.
>
> Start by eliminating single things, like adding a couple of lbs or 
> removing a couple of lbs from your load. Change tire pressure. Change 
> tires. 
>
> Without more details about your bike and its setup, one can only 
> conjecture in a void.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:54 AM Sam Perez  wrote:
>
>> why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the 
>> handle bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts? 
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Re: [RBW] What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Patrick Moore]

Agree that other orange accents would make the BRG to orange contrast less
jarring. The blue Riv will get new blue bar tape, and I personally like the
sage green and bright red contrast.

It looks like Revelate's Spinelock and Terrapin replace the Viscacha, and
at least some of these come in a color called "Crush' for which no image is
provided but "Crush" makes me think of "Orange Crush, and the black 8 l
Terrapin at least does have bright orange accents.

Or perhaps orange bottle cages ...

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 11:14 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That orange won’t really go with anything. Midnight blue maybe, as long as
> you have something equally bright anywhere else on the bike.
> To my eye, the strong red tape kills the subtle beauty of the sage green
> paint. British Racing Green could hold up to that orange, but I’d get a
> similarly bright seat bag or water bottles to tie it all together.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Leah Peterson]

Gill, thank YOU for sharing your delight. Incidentally, I’m the one who renamed 
the boring RBW Blue to 
“blue-green-shot-through-with-glimmer-like-sunlight-on-seawater”. If you like 
it, I’ll take the credit, and if you loathe it, I’ll accept the blame. That 
color is beautiful in all lighting, I think. Mine’s from 2019, but I’m assuming 
the 2020 is the same shade of blue.

I don’t even think of gender when I look at the Clems anymore. There have been 
so many men who ride them - all over the internet. My brother in law is a 
former college athlete, stands 6’2” and ordered the Clem L BECAUSE he wanted 
the step-through frame and no one makes one in his size...save Rivendell. Now 
he can stop ripping his expensive dress pants because no more will he swing a 
leg over a top tube. 

Bosco bars: game-changers, I agree. There is no going back, you will be ruined 
for all else. The problem I have is that ALL our family’s bikes have them and 
loading several Bosco’ed bikes is not for the faint of heart. Sitting upright 
is so comfortable, and it will make you want to wander. Don’t let them tell you 
it’s “sit up and beg” - it’s the seated command position! 

You’ll love your new Clem, I think. 

Top tubes...who needs ‘em?
Leah


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> On Aug 31, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Gill  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, thanks for asking, my big, blue, non-binary Clem L bicycle recently 
> arrived (albeit belatedly) at the back door. Fat-tired and swoopy with a bell 
> and basket and so different from bikes I’m used to. I’d never ridden or even 
> seen a Clem before. I bought because I wanted a Rivendell and it was the most 
> the affordable model, complete and off-pavement capable. But I really wasn’t 
> sure what to expect. In photos Clem’s appearance had reminded me of Bette 
> Davis: beautiful in some angles/light and “whatever happened to baby jane” 
> homely in others. Turns out it’s a good looking bike in person not ungainly 
> at all. The blue (only color available) was almost a deal breaker until I 
> read a description of the color by an owner on this group as, 
> “blue-green-shot-through-with-glimmer-like-sunlight-on-seawater”, that 
> comment turned the tide. It’s a lovely blue. And yes some companions have 
> asked whether my new bike came in a men’s version but I ignore their 
> benighted jibes - they have yet to climb up out of the manhole. 
> 
> The ride is superb. I’ll admit to being a little worried that when I threw my 
> leg over the saddle (yes I know I don’t have to now but old habits...) I 
> would be riding a Clydesdale but that is decidedly not the case. First ride 
> after assembling accidentally included a narrow downhill chicane, embankment 
> on one side stone wall on the other, and the bike handled it at speed 
> effortlessly - handling is responsive, smooth and confidence inspiring: shift 
> weight and the bike readily follows. Off-road the front end lightly climbs 
> over whatever and the stretched out rear absorbs the bumps. I did flat both 
> tires on my maiden voyage as the unfamiliar trail turned out to be strewn 
> with briars and nettles. There’s bound to be a learning curve off-road and I 
> now know that Thunder Burts and thorns don’t mix. Oh and the upright relaxed 
> riding position is a revelation. It took thirty seconds to realize Bosco bars 
> are a game changer. I’ve never been so comfortable on a bike. I could meander 
> all day. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Thanks for 
> letting me share my delight.
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 4:16:00 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> We need a little good news in the dark and twisty tale that is 2020. Lots of 
>> you will have received shiny new blue and green Clems at the time of this 
>> writing. I consider it your obligation to cheer the rest of us up with your 
>> new bikes. Stories and photos and impressions are encouraged and 
>> appreciated. Did you light up your world with dyno? Adorn the bike with new 
>> bags? Did you do a really wild color scheme? Are you pulling little 
>> bobble-headed cherubs in a bike trailer, or have you plopped them in a baby 
>> seat? Or maybe you are hauling adorable dogs in your baskets? Maybe your 
>> Clem is just streaking around naked because it’s your new exercise bike and 
>> you want it light. I don’t know, but I wouldn’t have to imagine if you would 
>> post your 2020 Clems right here.
>> 
>> I hope the Sams, Appaloosas, Platypuses, and Charlies will also have 
>> dedicated threads when they arrive. These threads will also be really 
>> helpful for prospective shoppers to have this info.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Sweepy bars, stem length, and climbing out of the saddle

[Patrick Moore]

I haven't tried any of the newer Riv sweepback bars -- experience limited
to original Moustache and an early, Riv-designed or at least Riv-sourced
wider North-Road design -- "Priest Bar"? -- but on both of these and on the
original North Road type I always gripped the bar far inward of the ends of
the bar; with the Moustache and North Road, just aft of the curves. Come to
think of it, with the "square" sweepback bars brazed directly onto stems on
rod braked roadsters, and these with short top tubes and very slack heads,
it was utterly necessary to grip the bar* ahead of the curves *while
standing and torquing.

I think that any attempt to get both comfortable, seated hand positions and
a standing "grip" for torquing as up a hill while holding the ends of the
bar is doomed to failure. At least (a more modest assertion) I can't
imagine it.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 1:45 PM dane...@gmail.com 
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> Hey guys.
>
> I have a longer reach bike with swept back (Velo Orange Granola Bars) and
> currently messing with stem length.  Started with a 110mm which puts the
> grips ahead of the head tube.  Standing climbing in that widest, farthest
> back position feels normal.  When switching to a 90mm stem (110 feels a
> little long for these bars) the grips come back behind the head tube a
> bit.  I always feel that climbing standing up, steeper hills especially (I
> mostly ride single speed and fixed) starts to feel a little weird once the
> grips start creeping behind the head tube.  I was thinking about trying the
>  riv billie bars also I know these come back quite a bit farther.  I assume
> a lot of you have a lot of experience with these kind of upright bars
> (albatross/bosco/billie/etc.) and wondering what your experience is with
> grips wayyy back behind head tube and bike handling specifically climbing?
> Thanks.
>
> - Dan
> New Jerz
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Re: [RBW] Just a thought: Building up that 2003 Curt Goodrich 26"-wheel custom as a Rivendell cruiser ...?

[Patrick Moore]

I don't think that I'd bother with the cost and complication of canti
bosses and a new powdercoat, A front drum brake would require a new wheel,
but then I'd have to get a new wheelset anyway.

As I think about it, I wonder if there is sufficient crown-to-dropout
distance for 42s; will have to try this once get the Chauncey replacement
back, as that one has the 1.75 front Pasela wheel on it.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 3:05 PM Ian A  wrote:

> What about adding canti posts and touching up? Maybe you'd get 26"x1.6
> Supremes or something along those lines?
>
> The Clem would offer more flexibility, but might not have the handling
> characteristics you prefer.
>
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Rambouillet in Salt Lake City

[Lee Kimball]

Hey friends, browsing around some classifieds and saw this gem:
https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/59977464

FYI - this is not my bike, just wanted to pass it along in case someone's 
interested. Looks like it's a medium (53-54cm) and looks to be in pretty 
good condition. 


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[RBW] Sweepy bars, stem length, and climbing out of the saddle

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hey guys.

I have a longer reach bike with swept back (Velo Orange Granola Bars) and 
currently messing with stem length.  Started with a 110mm which puts the 
grips ahead of the head tube.  Standing climbing in that widest, farthest 
back position feels normal.  When switching to a 90mm stem (110 feels a 
little long for these bars) the grips come back behind the head tube a bit. 
 I always feel that climbing standing up, steeper hills especially (I 
mostly ride single speed and fixed) starts to feel a little weird once the 
grips start creeping behind the head tube.  I was thinking about trying the 
 riv billie bars also I know these come back quite a bit farther.  I assume 
a lot of you have a lot of experience with these kind of upright bars 
(albatross/bosco/billie/etc.) and wondering what your experience is with 
grips wayyy back behind head tube and bike handling specifically climbing? 
Thanks.

- Dan
New Jerz

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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[eric swain]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16fE_npofU5Pz_KcFwU1uh8OfxvadUyJ5?usp=sharing

Ok, think I got it. Let me know if this works. Thanks for your patience!

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-7 eric swain wrote:

> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
> [image: IMG_7313.JPG]
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[RBW] FS: Nitto racks (RBW52, Campee 34F) and an Erlen rack

[Alex K]

Hey all.  After much hemming, hawing and spending, I've decided that there 
is just nothing like a Pass and Stow rack.  I love the aesthetics and 
craftsmanship of Nitto racks, but I love going local and those Pass and 
Stows are just..wow.  Anyhow, I am going to be parting with a Nitto 
RBW52 front rack which was used for two weeks, a lightly used Nitto Campee 
34F Front rack, and my Erlen seatpost rail rack.  Local (Bay Area) pickup 
would be ideal, I can even deliver if you're on the BART line...

DM me for pics, or email me @ acks...@gmail.com

$175 for the RBW52 rack
$115 for the Erlen
$125 for the Campee

Thanks all.  Hope you're enjoying your new Clems as much as I am.

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Re: [RBW] shimmy 71.5 head angle

[Patrick Moore]

Shimmy can be caused by any number of things; it seems to be common with
low trail designs built from very light tubing.

Eliminating those 2 things leaves an indefinite number of other things. My
2003 stout-tubed custom shimmied after I changed tires; with other tires,
it disappeared.

Start by eliminating single things, like adding a couple of lbs or removing
a couple of lbs from your load. Change tire pressure. Change tires.

Without more details about your bike and its setup, one can only conjecture
in a void.

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> why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the handle
> bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts?
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[RBW] FS: Brompton folding bike, M3E, Raw Lacquer Superlight frame

[Matt P.]

Selling my Brompton, purchased new in 2017.  The bike is in good shape, I 
am just not riding much these days, so it's time to find it a new home.  I 
had good luck selling my Hunqapillar using this RBW group a few years ago, 
so I'm hoping someone here might be interested in this Brompton.

The bike version is M3E:  M style handlebar, 3-speed drivetrain (internal 
hub gear, no front derailer) and the E means no fenders.  It has the Raw 
Lacquer color and the Superlight frame (titanium rear triangle and fork), 
which together were a $1050 upgrade. For further weight reduction, I 
replaced several bolts and the bottom bracket with titanium verisons, and I 
can also include the original steel bolts.  Bike has a leather Selle 
Anatomica saddle, Ergon grips.  I'm looking to sell the bike for $1800.

Bike is located in San Diego, CA.  Would prefer to sell to a local, if you 
are in Southern CA, I am willing to meet you halfway, so you can test ride 
the bike.

I have a blog all about the bike, with lots of pictures:
https://bromptonbicycle.wordpress.com/2017/05/24/the-brompton-has-arrived/

Please reach out if you have any questions.

Thanks for looking!
-Matt

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[RBW] Re: 58cm MIT Homer Hilsen setups?

[Todd Porter]

I'm 5'11" with an 86 pbh and have a 58 MIT Hilsen with Billie bars and an 
11 cm stem (bars at saddle height).  I find this set up quite comfortable 
and the billie bars allow plenty of  hand positions.  As far a standover 
clearance goes, it is a little tight if you use the biggest tires you can 
fit.  I have never hurt or come close to hurting myself on the top tube, 
riding mostly pavement or gravel, and a tiny amount of easy trails, but if 
you have  thin soled shoes and 44mm tires, you will know the bar is there 
when straddling it, maybe even with 38mm tires and thicker soled shoes, but 
I never have had to make a conscious effort not to hurt myself.  As far as 
what ifs with regard to going one size down, i typically like the biggest 
bike i can fit on, and not an overwhelming amount of seatpost and stem 
visible, and the close top tube hasn't been a problem, so I feel that I 
made the right call, in terms of size.  I do think i could fit a 54.5 
though, and get the same setup with a cm longer stem and more stem 
showing.   I think you would be fine on mostly paved roads on a 58 but I 
also think you could set a 54.5 up the same way, in terms of saddle height 
and distance to grips and bar height,  if you wanted to go that route.  It 
probably comes down to if you are the type that likes the biggest bike they 
can fit, or the type that would be concerned on a bike with a standover of 
85.3, with an 86 pbh.

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Re: [RBW] shimmy 71.5 head angle

[Sam Perez]

interesting , I is light weight tubing and a small front rando bag in the 
front.

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 11:05:56 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> Your down tube isn’t stiff enough.
>
> On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
>
> why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the handle 
> bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts? 
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[RBW] WTT Seat Posts - Nitto S83 for Nitto S65 - 27.2mm

[Huston]

For trade is a Nitto S83 seat post (silver, 27.2mm, 250mm), which I am 
hoping to swap for a Nitto S65 (silver, 27.2mm, 250mm).  Pics of the S83 
are available here: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jMdsCvexcVPzPGVWfelw2tYf9B2urxZC?usp=sharing.
  
Some minor insertion marks and scuffs.  Please see pics for details.  

Looking for a similarly clean S65.  From a dollar perspective, this is not 
a good trade, so let's say that the trade also requires return postage for 
the S83.  Please send a PM if you are interested.

Thanks,
Huston

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Re: [RBW] FS: 1984 Trek 850 - 22"

[Sam Perez]

im in California,  I still have to mesure myself to see where I stand, no 
pun intended.


On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 8:52:45 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> Sam,
> Are you in Portland?
> I have an 18' Trek 950 that's pretty much stock I was going to list on CL 
> soon, and a 19" 930 that I need to convert back to 26" wheels that will 
> also be listed soon. Both of these are lugged, US-made True Temper frames - 
> the good stuff. Not that Ant's 850 isn't good - the first mtb I ever bought 
> was an 86 850 in the red/black fade with chainstay U-brakes.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 5:27:28 PM UTC-7, Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Hello I am 5'5 would that be the appropriate size for me I generally ride 
>> a 52 cm.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 4:19 PM ant ritchey  wrote:
>>
> Hi everyone. 
>>>
>>> Selling a bike I built up for a friend. It's a fantastic rigjust not 
>>> getting "the attention it deserves" from said friend. Pics and details here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-1984-trek-850-drop-bar-dirt/7180672271.html
>>>
>>> Buyer pays actual shipping via BIkeflights. Paypal ("gift" or +3%) or 
>>> Venmo.
>>> HIt me up off-list or text (724) 757-9358 with any questions you may 
>>> have.
>>>
>>> -Ant Ritchey in PDX, OR
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Re: [RBW] shimmy 71.5 head angle

[James Valiensi]

Your down tube isn’t stiff enough.

> On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
> 
> why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the handle 
> bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts?
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[RBW] Re: shimmy 71.5 head angle

[Brian Campbell]

Headset installed correctly? Fork bent? Too much weight in the front? 
Weight too high on the bike? Lightweight tubing that flexes too much? 
Saddle height too high which generates a rocking motion and destabilizes 
the bikes center of gravity?

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 1:54:05 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the handle 
> bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts?

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[RBW] shimmy 71.5 head angle

[Sam Perez]

why does my front loaded bike shimmy at speeds when I let go of the handle 
bar head angle is 71.5. any thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Mark Roland]

Yup. I believe Grant linked to the sculpture in his blagh or tumblr some 
time back.

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 11:39:12 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Cumil, "man at work" in Bratislava. Inspiration for the Clem graphic?
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 9:03:38 AM UTC-4 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Oops. I included the NYC cover because it has a similar pattern to the 
>> Clem (and because Art Carney)  but also because I thought the caption was 
>> Rivendellish. Unfortunately you can't really read it. So here it is:
>>
>> *New York City*. *Pattern current in the catalogue of Campbell Foundry 
>> of Paterson, New Jersey. In New York City, where kids playing stickball 
>> used manhole covers to measure the distance they could bat a ball, scores 
>> were referred to as one-sewer or two sewer hits.*
>>
>> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 8:56:52 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_20200831_084112890.jpg]
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Mark Roland]

Oops. I included the NYC cover because it has a similar pattern to the Clem 
(and because Art Carney)  but also because I thought the caption was 
Rivendellish. Unfortunately you can't really read it. So here it is:

*New York City*. *Pattern current in the catalogue of Campbell Foundry of 
Paterson, New Jersey. In New York City, where kids playing stickball used 
manhole covers to measure the distance they could bat a ball, scores were 
referred to as one-sewer or two sewer hits.*

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 8:56:52 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
>
> [image: IMG_20200831_084112890.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

[Steven Sweedler]

Edwin, I replaced the elastic belts with non stretch webbing, and much
prefer it. If I put anything in the pockets, the elastic belts stretched
too much. Steve

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 8:16 AM Edwin W  wrote:

> Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I
> replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear
> of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are
> online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
> I think it is a 15mm elastic band.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> Edwin
> Nashville
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hey Mark! Yeah, that was a really fun day, and the location couldn't be 
beat! I'd love to do that again.

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 8:31:14 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
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> Hi Bob! Congrats to Sylvia. Hope we can do another East Coast Riv Roundup 
> in the not too distant future.-
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[Mark Roland]

Hi Bob! Congrats to Sylvia. Hope we can do another East Coast Riv Roundup 
in the not too distant future.-

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 8:55:01 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> Well Leah, you should know that it was photos of your Clems from your IG 
> that got her interested in them! Along with your superbly equipped green El 
> Clem, Mark!
>
> Regarding those grips: She doesn't remember the brand; she bought them at 
> a bike shop in Dallas a long time ago when she lived there. They're worn, 
> but still feel great.
>
> Bob
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 7:03:00 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Well, Sylvia sounds like someone I’d like to know! Send that new 
>> Rivendell convert to our List here; as the famous Mean Girls movie line 
>> goes, “She can sit with us.”   
>>
>> I’m so glad to hear of the pieces that bring her joy on her new bike. I 
>> like all those same things. What grips does she have on those bars? I like 
>> the look of them - like Ergons but a nicer color...
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Here's a photo of the 45 Clem L I bought for my wife, which just arrived 
>> last Friday. It joins the 52 Clem H I bought as a frame in the 2015 
>> original Clem presale, so we are now an official two-Clem household!
>>
>> Once it was out of the box and the wheels and handlebar were put on, I 
>> had to put on old pedals and grips and adjust the brakes, but as soon as 
>> that was done she took off and went for a quick spin around the 
>> neighborhood, in love with the looks, the brilliant bronze-green color, and 
>> the ride from that long wheelbase! (She also really appreciates the little 
>> details like the hearts in the lugwork and the multi-colored spoke nipples!)
>>
>> The bike is still a work in progress, though -- I still have to transfer 
>> the front rack (with a basket handmade in Ghana that she bought at the New 
>> Amsterdam Bicycle Show), rear rack, and Brooks B67S saddle over from her 
>> old Gary Fisher, as well as buy some pedals that she can put her half clips 
>> on. Also, we're going to change out the Bosco handlebars, as they sometimes 
>> get in the way of her knees. I know a longer stem might fix that, but she's 
>> not crazy about the Boscos and prefers the Ahearne/Map bars that are on her 
>> other bike. But overall, Sylvia is a Rivendell convert, and she is out 
>> again on it today!
>>
>> Bob E
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cranford, NJ
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[RBW] MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

[Edwin W]

Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
I think it is a 15mm elastic band.

Thanks for any advice,

Edwin
Nashville

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[RBW] 58cm MIT Homer Hilsen setups?

[John Woo]

Anyone here with a 86 PBH (I’m 6’ tall) riding an MIT Homer Hilsen? What bars 
are you using, and do ever you regret not getting a 54.5?

I’m on the bottom end of the range but would be usually rising on smooth 
pavement. 

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