Re: [RBW] Re: 2020 miles in 2020

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, that "just a couple guys talking bikes" pic with Grant is priceless. 
And the family photo is so sweet..I know I've said it before but it bears 
repeating, your dad had such a kind face. Thank you for sharing the photos 
here, I'm so sorry for your loss. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:29:23 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Thanks, Doug. That is a great verse, and thank you. I really hope my boys 
> like biking as adults and will use this beautiful blue Clem. Mom has the 
> sage Cheviot, my parents would have been adorable on their Rivs. Dad was so 
> tall; I’d have relished seeing him on a bike that finally fit him, and that 
> matched mine. Dad was a total love; I picture him grinning on that bike 
> even now.  I’m glad we didn’t cancel the order, even if the bike is 
> suffering the indignity of sitting in a box for a while. 
>
> Joyce - I love your friend’s definition, and she’s right! I *also* am 
> partial to the metallic teal shown on the product page. I actually really 
> love the color and might like it better than the other two blues you 
> referenced. But then I love glimmer - and that teal looks like it has some. 
> Instead of being a flat blue like the Homer, you get a little Caribbean 
> flair. That teal looks shimmery and like it could be a blue-green, which I 
> think is a superior color to either blue or green! I actually like that 
> green pretty well, too. Much better than the bronzy green Riv has done of 
> late. But definitely agree with you - TEAL!
>
> Thanks to the others who have sent their kind thoughts as well. ❤️
> Leah
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
> That is so sad that the bike he ordered didn't arrive before his passing. 
> My first thought is that the bike is a legacy that he left for you and your 
> sons. Hold tight to it because I have no doubt it will be used by your 
> sons. (Proverbs 17:6). 
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, speaking of Dad/my rides, do you know that he had a Clem L on order 
>> this summer? He was 6’3” and got the 59 cm Clem, in RBW Blue, to match 
>> mine. I really had high hopes of riding our matching bikes together, but he 
>> died before he ever got his bike. Initially, we thought about cancelling 
>> the order, but in the end, Mom and I had it shipped to me. I have two sons, 
>> and no doubt one of them will fit that bike someday. Or I suppose if 
>> (heaven forbid) my Clem got stolen/wrecked, I could make it work. It’s a 
>> shame to see it sitting in the box, but it will get used someday. My boys 
>> are a growth spurt away...
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> That is a lot of miles! I am positive that your dad is with you on all 
>> those rides. Keep on keeping on.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 4:01:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At the beginning of 2020 (back when we were so naive and hopeful) I set 
>>> an ambitious goal for myself: 2,020 miles in 2020. This may seem small to 
>>> some of you, but I live out in suburbia, surrounded by punishing 
>>> hills/mountains, and there are few places to go out here. Most trips 
>>> require a car. The one bike commute that gave me 4 miles/day was to the 
>>> boys’ school, but by March, that was gone - replaced by virtual school. 
>>>
>>> Having everyone at home all the time was a blessing and a challenge. I 
>>> started going out in the evenings, looking for places to go by bike to 
>>> clear my mind and wear out my body. I rode down the mountain and began 
>>> exploring the development there. They had thoughtfully put in bike lanes 
>>> and a blacktop bike path, and I discovered that I could make a 10.1 mile 
>>> loop, start to finish. The thing was, I only had my stock Clementine - the 
>>> 2019, super-long model, set up to be a school commuter. Beautiful and 
>>> capable, but heavy. I ordered a new wheelset and dyno lighting from Analog, 
>>> and that really changed the game for me. Lightened up (in weight and 
>>> lumens!), I could venture further from home, regardless of elevation or 
>>> sunlight. I began to rack up miles. 
>>>
>>> I pedaled through a global pandemic. I pedaled through triple digit 
>>> heat. I pedaled through the entire Hamilton soundtrack, memorizing it. I 
>>> pedaled through wildfire smoke and record-breaking temps. I pedaled through 
>>> rain. And wind. When a pulmonary embolism robbed me of my young, handsome, 
>>> healthy dad in July, I pedaled (sometimes sobbing) through that, too. I 
>>> pedaled in Minnesota humidity with my basket full of stuffed animals, my 
>>> tiny niece shadowing me on her little bike. I pedaled through springtime, 
>>> when entire trees exploded in blooms, and I will pedal through fall when 
>>> the leaves are a riot of color. On October 9th, I hit my mileage goal. 
>>>
>>> 2,020 miles in 2020. 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Fast fat man

[Paul Brodek]

So they passed you, the 65yr-old, but didn't catch "the old guy," the 
74yr-old?

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.

:^}

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> ...during our last encounter, I said, "well, I'm 65!" He retorted, "Well 
> I'm 74."...
>
> ...I was passed...by a young woman and...a young man, but they did not 
> catch up to the old guy, as far as I know.
>
>
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Morning coffee; need a new Riv mug

[Paul Brodek]

Pricey, and I'm no racer, but the older I get, the more I like this one:
https://www.etsy.com/il-en/listing/694277379/fausto-coppi-age-treachery-cyclist-mug

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 1:02:25 PM UTC-4, John Phillips wrote:
>
>Order one direct from https://www.redwingstoneware.com/ to tide you 
> over until the next time Riv has their bicycle mugs in stock?
>
> I broke mine too, but I've been "borrowing" my wife's mug.
>
> John
>
> On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 2:32:29 PM UTC-7, steve wrote:
>>
>> What can I say.  When a coffee mug meets a tile floor at high speed; the 
>> floor wins and you can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again.  The 
>> Rivendell coffee mug was my favorite way to enjoy a cup of coffee in the 
>> morning.  Does anyone have one they aren’t using and would be willing to 
>> sell?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>

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[RBW] Fast fat man

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I laughed. SO. Hard. I can see the scene, feel like I also met the old guy. 
Bravo! Who cares if you lost the race, you won a great story.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fast fat man

[Patrick Moore]

At least 8 years ago I was trucking fast up a long, steep hill feeling
proud of myself when a man in jeans and flannel shirt sitting bolt upright
on a cheap mountain bike passed me at 3 mph riding easily and *pulling a
trailer.* Needless to say I was crushed. However, I passed came upon him
stopped a mile or so down the road and asked what he was riding. I turned
out that his trailer was really a prototype electric motor assist device
and it was *pushing* him. Needless to say I felt vindicated.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 6:26 PM Clark Fitzgerald 
wrote:

> Sometimes you can't judge by appearances. 
>
> I regularly see people and think "There's no way they're that fast." Then
> I realize they're on an electric bike.
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 2:39:08 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I took a nice fall out 'n' back on the new Matthews RBFR shod with the
>> new 39 mm (actual with tubes on 21 mm outside rims; expect them to stretch)
>> 42mm-labeled Naches Pass extralights. Slight headwind southbound, slight
>> tailwind return.
>>
>> I was trundling along smugly, thinking I was king of the road -- passed a
>> number of mere mortals, etc. Reached the turnaround point at 10.5 miles,
>> stopped for drink, heard loud ratchet sounds, little butterball of a
>> greybeard pulled up, turned around, and prepared to head back north, and he
>> greeted me. He was riding some state-of-art carbon fiber vunderbike with
>> exotic wheels and hub with hornet freewhee. I recognized him as someone I
>> had tried to draft a couple of months ago, on one of my inaugural rides on
>> this same bike, as he headed north drafting a much younger man. So I said
>> hello and expressed my recognition.
>>
>> He headed off and I followed a minute or so later, but damned if I could
>> reel him in; not that I was trying that hard. But -- here's the point:
>> during our last encounter, I said, "well, I'm 65!" He retorted, "Well I'm
>> 74." And this time I have to admit he put meters on me; started out perhaps
>> 1/4 mile ahead and, after 10 miles, he must have added another 34 mile.
>> (Not that I was really trying. And I was tired. And I had the drag of a
>> pannier. And only 3 gears. Not that I really care.)
>>
>> Anyway, me, I was riding as I said the new Matthews RBFR overgeared with
>> the new Naches Passes: cog is 18 t for the 24.75" Elk Passes; the NPs are
>> almost 1 inch taller at 25.8", so the gearing moves from 56-66-74 to
>> 59-68-79, and while the 531 frame -- and the tires -- do not at all hold
>> one back, I spend too much time between direct/second and overdrive/3d.
>> Have 19th cog on order.
>>
>> To further drive home my insufficiency, I was passed 3/4 of the way home
>> by a young woman and shortly thereafter by a young man, but they did not
>> catch up to the old guy, as far as I know.
>>
>> I am not sure I'll continue with the NPs. The Elk Passes -- 29 mm on my
>> rims -- are just wonderful; fast and giving the bike a really agile feel.
>> The NPs do not seem to slow the bike down at all as far as rolling goes
>> (and, this is interesting, this even with the much heavier and
>> thicker-walled tubes: Schwalbe SV 12s at 150 grams versus the light
>> Schwalbe whatevers at 70 grams [claimed 60 but actual 70]) but they do make
>> the handling a bit more staid and, in fact, with these taller tires, the
>> handling very much reminds me of that of my Ram shod with 700C X 29 mm
>> Parigi Roubaix. I do prefer the faster turn-in of the thinner tires, but I
>> am not sure at this point which I will choose as the default.
>>
>> Anyway, very nice ride in very nice weather. No photo yet of the RBFR
>> with NPs; the fender line is perfect, btw.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fast fat man

[Clark Fitzgerald]

Sometimes you can't judge by appearances. 

I regularly see people and think "There's no way they're that fast." Then I 
realize they're on an electric bike.
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 2:39:08 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I took a nice fall out 'n' back on the new Matthews RBFR shod with the new 
> 39 mm (actual with tubes on 21 mm outside rims; expect them to stretch) 
> 42mm-labeled Naches Pass extralights. Slight headwind southbound, slight 
> tailwind return.
>
> I was trundling along smugly, thinking I was king of the road -- passed a 
> number of mere mortals, etc. Reached the turnaround point at 10.5 miles, 
> stopped for drink, heard loud ratchet sounds, little butterball of a 
> greybeard pulled up, turned around, and prepared to head back north, and he 
> greeted me. He was riding some state-of-art carbon fiber vunderbike with 
> exotic wheels and hub with hornet freewhee. I recognized him as someone I 
> had tried to draft a couple of months ago, on one of my inaugural rides on 
> this same bike, as he headed north drafting a much younger man. So I said 
> hello and expressed my recognition.
>
> He headed off and I followed a minute or so later, but damned if I could 
> reel him in; not that I was trying that hard. But -- here's the point: 
> during our last encounter, I said, "well, I'm 65!" He retorted, "Well I'm 
> 74." And this time I have to admit he put meters on me; started out perhaps 
> 1/4 mile ahead and, after 10 miles, he must have added another 34 mile. 
> (Not that I was really trying. And I was tired. And I had the drag of a 
> pannier. And only 3 gears. Not that I really care.)
>
> Anyway, me, I was riding as I said the new Matthews RBFR overgeared with 
> the new Naches Passes: cog is 18 t for the 24.75" Elk Passes; the NPs are 
> almost 1 inch taller at 25.8", so the gearing moves from 56-66-74 to 
> 59-68-79, and while the 531 frame -- and the tires -- do not at all hold 
> one back, I spend too much time between direct/second and overdrive/3d. 
> Have 19th cog on order.
>
> To further drive home my insufficiency, I was passed 3/4 of the way home 
> by a young woman and shortly thereafter by a young man, but they did not 
> catch up to the old guy, as far as I know.
>
> I am not sure I'll continue with the NPs. The Elk Passes -- 29 mm on my 
> rims -- are just wonderful; fast and giving the bike a really agile feel. 
> The NPs do not seem to slow the bike down at all as far as rolling goes 
> (and, this is interesting, this even with the much heavier and 
> thicker-walled tubes: Schwalbe SV 12s at 150 grams versus the light 
> Schwalbe whatevers at 70 grams [claimed 60 but actual 70]) but they do make 
> the handling a bit more staid and, in fact, with these taller tires, the 
> handling very much reminds me of that of my Ram shod with 700C X 29 mm 
> Parigi Roubaix. I do prefer the faster turn-in of the thinner tires, but I 
> am not sure at this point which I will choose as the default.
>
> Anyway, very nice ride in very nice weather. No photo yet of the RBFR with 
> NPs; the fender line is perfect, btw.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Roberta]

On my first Riv, I had a B17.  It was fine, but I switched it to a flyer (a 
sprung B17) and it was much more comfy.  To lighten my bike, I switched to 
a Selle Anatomica the one without the cutout and I prefer that to the B17. 
I also have one with the cutout and that is OK too.   The SA ones do come 
back more than the B17.  I like all these saddles fine, but the Flyer is my 
fav of the group. It just takes the edge off of unexpected bumps and dips 
in the road, but it weights a pound more.  SAs are my next fav.

With all this said, none of these "disappear" below me.  Unfortunately, I'm 
not rich enough to try all the ones I'd like to, including Rivit's Loveland 
and the B67.  Check out Craig's list.  There's a lot of junk saddles 
offered, but I see some good ones, too, and they go fast for a reasonable 
price. 

Also, keep an eye for sale saddles on each manufacturer's and reseller's 
web pages.  When these get returned, they often go into the sale bin 
without anything wrong with them.  Do a google search every night until you 
find a lower than usual price.

Roberta

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Cronin wrote:
>
> Selle Anatomica also has a loyal following. The only leather saddles I've 
> ridden are Brooks. B17 saddles (unsprung) do ok for upright, but the flyer 
> (basically a sprung B17) is better. I have a Flyer on my Hunqapillar. For 
> super upright riding, the B67, wide and sprung, is touted as superior (and 
> I have one on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem), but I prefer the flyer. The reason 
> has to do with my sit bones (narrow) and bottom mass (minimal). For those 
> with wider sit bones and more bottom mass, the B67 would likely be ideal 
> and the flyer too narrow. Both the Flyer and the B67 come in "short" 
> versions for women and smaller riders.
>
> Another Brooks saddle to consider, but one I have not tried, is the 
> Cambium C67 ( https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c67.html ). 
>
> -Patrick
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4 Jesse wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Andrew Letton]

 Hi Jesse,This just arrived in my inbox from Brooks this morning. Maybe worth 
consideration...cheers,Andrew in Sydney (where yes, it is the 14th)
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On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 10:42:46 PM GMT+11, Jesse 
 wrote:  
 
 What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate the 
springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
excellent quality.
Anything else to consider?

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[RBW] Fast fat man

[Patrick Moore]

I took a nice fall out 'n' back on the new Matthews RBFR shod with the new
39 mm (actual with tubes on 21 mm outside rims; expect them to stretch)
42mm-labeled Naches Pass extralights. Slight headwind southbound, slight
tailwind return.

I was trundling along smugly, thinking I was king of the road -- passed a
number of mere mortals, etc. Reached the turnaround point at 10.5 miles,
stopped for drink, heard loud ratchet sounds, little butterball of a
greybeard pulled up, turned around, and prepared to head back north, and he
greeted me. He was riding some state-of-art carbon fiber vunderbike with
exotic wheels and hub with hornet freewhee. I recognized him as someone I
had tried to draft a couple of months ago, on one of my inaugural rides on
this same bike, as he headed north drafting a much younger man. So I said
hello and expressed my recognition.

He headed off and I followed a minute or so later, but damned if I could
reel him in; not that I was trying that hard. But -- here's the point:
during our last encounter, I said, "well, I'm 65!" He retorted, "Well I'm
74." And this time I have to admit he put meters on me; started out perhaps
1/4 mile ahead and, after 10 miles, he must have added another 34 mile.
(Not that I was really trying. And I was tired. And I had the drag of a
pannier. And only 3 gears. Not that I really care.)

Anyway, me, I was riding as I said the new Matthews RBFR overgeared with
the new Naches Passes: cog is 18 t for the 24.75" Elk Passes; the NPs are
almost 1 inch taller at 25.8", so the gearing moves from 56-66-74 to
59-68-79, and while the 531 frame -- and the tires -- do not at all hold
one back, I spend too much time between direct/second and overdrive/3d.
Have 19th cog on order.

To further drive home my insufficiency, I was passed 3/4 of the way home by
a young woman and shortly thereafter by a young man, but they did not catch
up to the old guy, as far as I know.

I am not sure I'll continue with the NPs. The Elk Passes -- 29 mm on my
rims -- are just wonderful; fast and giving the bike a really agile feel.
The NPs do not seem to slow the bike down at all as far as rolling goes
(and, this is interesting, this even with the much heavier and
thicker-walled tubes: Schwalbe SV 12s at 150 grams versus the light
Schwalbe whatevers at 70 grams [claimed 60 but actual 70]) but they do make
the handling a bit more staid and, in fact, with these taller tires, the
handling very much reminds me of that of my Ram shod with 700C X 29 mm
Parigi Roubaix. I do prefer the faster turn-in of the thinner tires, but I
am not sure at this point which I will choose as the default.

Anyway, very nice ride in very nice weather. No photo yet of the RBFR with
NPs; the fender line is perfect, btw.

-- 

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Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: 650b Atlantis Sizing for an 85PBH

[Alex K]

Welp.  The 56 was a bit too big.  It went back on the RBW site and sold 
real quick.  Thanks for all your help, made the decision SO much easier. 
 If anybody has a 53 Atlantis 650b frame or complete laying around, holler 
at me!!!
Happy trails all.
Alex

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> There was at least one run of MIT 650b 56 Atlantis, I have one. PBH 87. 
> They removed it from the current geo charts but you can find it here: 
> http://web.archive.org/web/20190224110651/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>
> I do like the bigger bike feel, and almost feel like my Atlantis is 
> small-ish, but I feel part of that might be the 650b wheels. You can 
> probably make your 56 work but if you prefer the smaller bike feel maybe 53 
> is better (if you can find one).
>
> mike
> not much help in austin
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all.  I know Atlantis sizing is a hot topic around these parts.  At 
>> the risk of being redundant, I am trying to figure out which Atlantis is 
>> the one for me.  I recently bought a 56cm Atlantis 650b frame from the RBW 
>> Garage Sale, thinking that it was the perfect size for me.  Now that I am 
>> getting close to building it up, i’m starting to doubt myself.  I have an 
>> 85 PBH.  I tend to like bikes a LITTLE bit on the smaller size.  Wondering 
>> if perhaps the 53 Atlantis is actually the one for me.   Anybody have ANY 
>> advice at all?  Thanks a bunch.
>> Alex
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fit Question for a newbie

[Mike Packard]

Hi Chase

Where are you located? Maybe someone nearby has one you can test ride.

Mike in Austin

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:54:22 PM UTC-5 chase@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am new to this group (though have been reading the forum for bit)... I 
> have been saving up and am finally getting ready to purchase a Riv! For 
> sure planning to get an Appaloosa or Atlantis... would love to hear any 
> ideas on fit. I am just under 5'6" with a PBH (no shoes) that is either 78 
> or 79 depending on the day. From what I can figure out a 50 Atlantis would 
> be a good fit. I've talked to some folks about the Appaloosa and it seems I 
> am between sizes on the Appaloosa. Hard since these aren't bikes we can 
> just go try out. Any feedback would be awesome! Or if anyone in the NYC 
> area with any of these bikes in these sizes and would be open to meeting up 
> (totally understand if you aren't) that would be cool! 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chase
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[RBW] Re: 650b Atlantis Sizing for an 85PBH

[Mike Packard]

Hi Alex

There was at least one run of MIT 650b 56 Atlantis, I have one. PBH 87. 
They removed it from the current geo charts but you can find it here: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20190224110651/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

I do like the bigger bike feel, and almost feel like my Atlantis is 
small-ish, but I feel part of that might be the 650b wheels. You can 
probably make your 56 work but if you prefer the smaller bike feel maybe 53 
is better (if you can find one).

mike
not much help in austin


On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all.  I know Atlantis sizing is a hot topic around these parts.  At 
> the risk of being redundant, I am trying to figure out which Atlantis is 
> the one for me.  I recently bought a 56cm Atlantis 650b frame from the RBW 
> Garage Sale, thinking that it was the perfect size for me.  Now that I am 
> getting close to building it up, i’m starting to doubt myself.  I have an 
> 85 PBH.  I tend to like bikes a LITTLE bit on the smaller size.  Wondering 
> if perhaps the 53 Atlantis is actually the one for me.   Anybody have ANY 
> advice at all?  Thanks a bunch.
> Alex
>

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[RBW] Re: 2020 miles in 2020

[Drew Saunders]

Leah,

Brava! I also planned on riding 2020 miles in 2020 but then, well, 2020 
happened.

Strava says 149 miles in January, 153 miles in February and...18 miles in 
March. Hmm, what happened then?

April was my best month with 204 miles, but (and it took several months for 
me to figure this out), I started losing fitness as the year went on. You 
see, I normally walk or bike the 2 miles each way to work, and changing to 
work-from-home 4 days out of the week removed a significant part of my 
weekly exercise. I don't track commute miles on Strava, so those wouldn't 
have counted towards 2020 anyway. I started walking a 1.5 mile loop in the 
neighborhood to "walk to work" on days I work from home, and it's helping.

1264 miles so far, not terrible, not great. 2021 miles for 2021 seems 
possible.

Enjoy the Platypus! Everyone needs a fun red bike in their life at some 
point (mine is my 1999 match-built Rivendell)

Drew

On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 1:01:39 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> At the beginning of 2020 (back when we were so naive and hopeful) I set an 
> ambitious goal for myself: 2,020 miles in 2020. This may seem small to some 
> of you, but I live out in suburbia, surrounded by punishing 
> hills/mountains, and there are few places to go out here. Most trips 
> require a car. The one bike commute that gave me 4 miles/day was to the 
> boys’ school, but by March, that was gone - replaced by virtual school. 
>
> Having everyone at home all the time was a blessing and a challenge. I 
> started going out in the evenings, looking for places to go by bike to 
> clear my mind and wear out my body. I rode down the mountain and began 
> exploring the development there. They had thoughtfully put in bike lanes 
> and a blacktop bike path, and I discovered that I could make a 10.1 mile 
> loop, start to finish. The thing was, I only had my stock Clementine - the 
> 2019, super-long model, set up to be a school commuter. Beautiful and 
> capable, but heavy. I ordered a new wheelset and dyno lighting from Analog, 
> and that really changed the game for me. Lightened up (in weight and 
> lumens!), I could venture further from home, regardless of elevation or 
> sunlight. I began to rack up miles. 
>
> I pedaled through a global pandemic. I pedaled through triple digit heat. 
> I pedaled through the entire Hamilton soundtrack, memorizing it. I pedaled 
> through wildfire smoke and record-breaking temps. I pedaled through rain. 
> And wind. When a pulmonary embolism robbed me of my young, handsome, 
> healthy dad in July, I pedaled (sometimes sobbing) through that, too. I 
> pedaled in Minnesota humidity with my basket full of stuffed animals, my 
> tiny niece shadowing me on her little bike. I pedaled through springtime, 
> when entire trees exploded in blooms, and I will pedal through fall when 
> the leaves are a riot of color. On October 9th, I hit my mileage goal. 
>
> 2,020 miles in 2020. 
>
> I’m going to keep pedaling, but I may finish out the year on a raspberry 
> Platypus, depending on when the wheelset gets here. Until then, I’ll keep 
> using this Clem, stout and dressed as a commuter, as an exercise bike. 
> Don’t let anyone tell you you can’t - you can, and you’ll have muscles, to 
> boot.
>
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 650b Atlantis Sizing for an 85PBH

[Joel S]

My PBH is 80.6 and the 50cm was a great fit.  I know it does not answer 
your question, you can call Riv for their thoughts.  
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:19:24 AM UTC-4 Brent B wrote:

> 84~85 pbh and 5'9" here and I'm on a size 53 MIT Atlantis (from February 
> '20), and the fit is working pretty well for me. I also considered the 56 
> and I think it could have worked, but I'd have needed a short stem. My 
> current setup is an 80cm stem wiith Ahearne+Map bars, set kinda low. Also 
> tried bullmoose bars, which were great if I set them a bit higher up, and i 
> have a 120cm stem w/Billie bars that works nicely for more relaxed riding. 
>
> I also ride a old 55 All City Space Horse canti and a Med/55 Crust 
> Lightning Bolt. 
>
> You could maybe make the 56 work if you want to learn to love a bigger 
> bike fit; according to the charts you can clear the standover even if you 
> max out your tire size, but it's gonna feel like a big bike!
>
> I think this sizing is accurate to our Atlanti:
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9b%2C5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9a
>
> -Brent
>
> On Tuesday, 13 October 2020 at 00:00:10 UTC-4 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> I have an 85 PBH and ride a 56 Waterford I am debating selling but not 
>> because of fit.  I also rode a 58 Toyo Atlantis.  Both were great and I 
>> would have gone just with wheel size.  I would buy a 53 MIT and ride a 55 
>> Joe Appaloosa. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Alex:
>>>
>>> I have an 84cm PBH & ride a 58cm Atlantis from Toyo.  I've also ridden a 
>>> 56 cm & can fit either one. I'm in an overlap of the two sizes as made by 
>>> Toyo.
>>>
>>> Now to your question:  Do you know if the 56 cm 650B is from Waterford 
>>> or Taiwan?  There was a brief period a while back when Waterford made the 
>>> Atlantis.  I rode a 56cm 650B Waterford & it was a nice fit & nice ride.  
>>> Toyo's Atlantis was 26" wheels.  
>>>
>>> For the MIT (current version), there is no 56 cm.  53, 55, 59, but no 
>>> 56.  I rode a 53 cm without knowing it's size & assumed it was a 56.  It 
>>> felt great, especially the ride quality with the longer wheel base.  After 
>>> the ride, they told me it was a 53, and I was pleasantly surprised.
>>>
>>> I'll bet if you build it up & ride it, you'll love it.  
>>>
>>> dougP  
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-7, Alex K wrote:

 Hey all.  I know Atlantis sizing is a hot topic around these parts.  At 
 the risk of being redundant, I am trying to figure out which Atlantis is 
 the one for me.  I recently bought a 56cm Atlantis 650b frame from the RBW 
 Garage Sale, thinking that it was the perfect size for me.  Now that I am 
 getting close to building it up, i’m starting to doubt myself.  I have an 
 85 PBH.  I tend to like bikes a LITTLE bit on the smaller size.  Wondering 
 if perhaps the 53 Atlantis is actually the one for me.   Anybody have ANY 
 advice at all?  Thanks a bunch.
 Alex

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Garth]

If your primary pressure points are under your sit bones like me the 
Selle Royal Lookin Moderate Men's saddles are awesome . I've tried many so 
called padded saddles that were either too soft(unsupportive) or too 
firm(Like a Terry for example, utterly painful), these have a seemingly 
magic balance of padding being both firm and forgiving. 180mm width is 
plenty since the entire width is padded and usable. 

   

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[RBW] Re: Morning coffee; need a new Riv mug

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   Order one direct from https://www.redwingstoneware.com/ to tide you over 
until the next time Riv has their bicycle mugs in stock?

I broke mine too, but I've been "borrowing" my wife's mug.

John

On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 2:32:29 PM UTC-7, steve wrote:
>
> What can I say.  When a coffee mug meets a tile floor at high speed; the 
> floor wins and you can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again.  The 
> Rivendell coffee mug was my favorite way to enjoy a cup of coffee in the 
> morning.  Does anyone have one they aren’t using and would be willing to 
> sell?
>
> Steve
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bagboy SaddleSack - Royal

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

This bag works great up front as well, best bag ever...
-Kai

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 6:37:05 PM UTC-4 Kyle Altshuler wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> I have what is effectively a new Sackville Bagboy SaddleSack in a very 
> pretty Royal color for sale. The bag retails for $170 + shipping at Riv 
> , 
> so I will let mine go for $150 shipped.
>
> [image: image (5).jpg][image: image.jpg][image: image (3).jpg][image: 
> image (2).jpg]This bag was on a bike for a 4 mile city ride and has sat 
> in my apartment ever since. 
>
> Picture should be attached to this.
>
> PM me with any questions / offers.
>
> Thank you and all the best
>
> KA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   Have you figured out your sit bone width yet? The WTB website has a very 
clever widget for figuring out the width of your sit bones using the width 
of your wrist, very cool and easier than pressing your butt into a piece of 
soft cardboard or some such.

   Once you've figured that out, you'll know how many saddles are possible 
solutions. 

   I have wider sit bones, so my options are rather limited. The wide 
Berthoud Aubisque is my "racy" saddle. If I needed wider, I'd probably look 
into Rivet for leather or SQLab for synthetic. The Brooks B67 fit me, but 
rubbed my thighs.

   SqLab makes/sells synthetic saddle models each with multiple widths.

YMMV, 

John

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[RBW] Re: Fit Question for a newbie

[Roberta]

I have a 2016 Joe Appaloosa that you can try.  

I work in the very most NE corner of Philadelphia on a train line, or it's 
an easy car ride, if you have a car.  I'm also going to the RBW forum ride 
on Saturday.  If it might rain, I'll have the Joe A., if not I'll bring my 
A. Homer Hilsen (54.5, way too big for you; it barely fits me).

I'll send you a PM.

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:54:22 PM UTC-4, Chase Granoff wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I am new to this group (though have been reading the forum for bit)... I 
> have been saving up and am finally getting ready to purchase a Riv! For 
> sure planning to get an Appaloosa or Atlantis... would love to hear any 
> ideas on fit. I am just under 5'6" with a PBH (no shoes) that is either 78 
> or 79 depending on the day. From what I can figure out a 50 Atlantis would 
> be a good fit. I've talked to some folks about the Appaloosa and it seems I 
> am between sizes on the Appaloosa. Hard since these aren't bikes we can 
> just go try out. Any feedback would be awesome! Or if anyone in the NYC 
> area with any of these bikes in these sizes and would be open to meeting up 
> (totally understand if you aren't) that would be cool! 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chase
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Patrick Cronin]

The only similar visual I could find was a Troll with 
Boscos: 
https://forums.mtbr.com/attachments/surly/828213d1377900206-surly-troll-troll-3-side-small.jpg
 
Looks like they are running a Thompson setback post (or similar) and even 
then their saddle is all the way aft. Their stem is about as long as they 
come. Curious what you end up with.
-Patrick

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:28:48 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> In addition to running Boscos, I have my Ogre setup with a 7 inch 
> threadless stem riser. So yeah, I'm bolt upright, hands slightly behind the 
> steering axis etc. I love it. Also I run two sets of Surly's dropout 
> spacers in the back, yielding ~46cm stays. 
>
> The 73 degree STA is too steep for sit-up-and-beg I'm finding, so in 
> conjunction with a long setback post, looks like I'll have to run something 
> like the WTB saddle Pete suggested. 
>
> Still wondering about how far back I can get the Loveland and C67, too. 
> Also have never been on a saddle as short as the Loveland and wonder if 
> that would agree with me.
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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Joel S]

The B67 is wider, like the B68.  I rode both and preferred the 68 but now 
it seems to rub my thighs so I went back to a 17 champion special.  I may 
try to tension it

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:08:21 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello!
> I've never sat on a B67, but if Riv's info is correct, it's the same 
> dimensions as a B17. I ride fairly upright and use a B17 and find it VERY 
> comfortable (and I'm 6'3" 220). I'm assuming you've ruled that out or have 
> tried it and it didn't work, though. What John said about the wiggle room 
> to the sides is good info, too...that might make the 67 edge out the 17 if 
> you think that'd make the saddle more comfy.
>
> Ben
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:57:07 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> Before you rule out a Brooks B-67, Jesse, there's one thing to consider:
>> The springs are very stiff, and only provide the minimum of 
>> shock-absorbing qualities.
>>
>> What the springs *do* allow is a little sideways movement as you pedal, 
>> dipping a little with each pedal stroke. 
>> It's a great saddle for an upright position, giving your sit-bones the 
>> perfect platform on which to perch. 
>>
>> - John in Portland
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse wrote:
>>
>>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>>
>>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>>> is excellent quality.
>>>
>>> Anything else to consider?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2020 miles in 2020

[JAS]

A friend corrected me about retirement funds...it’s not “spending” one’s 
hard-earned money, it’s “using” it!  So part of the point of retirement is 
doing some of the things that weren’t possible while working which for me means 
more travel in my van and biking.  New bikes get included in this category!  

I’m leaning toward the Platypus teal/blue color.  I’m disappointed that it 
isn’t the true Riv blue or that gorgeous Hilsen blue, but I’ll get over it 
eventually.  I continue to check out the Hilsen ads just because of the color, 
but want a step-through frame.  Yes, I suppose I could get it painted, but nice 
wheels are more of a priority.  

Ride on #RivSisters!



On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:17:11 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> Joyce - yikes, I don’t want to be responsible for you spending your 
> retirement money..unless you really, really love your wheels - then send the 
> credit my way 
> 
> But I have to say new wheels makes a big difference, and dyno makes and EVEN 
> BIGGER difference. I don’t think I can ever be without it. It was unthinkably 
> expensive when I first heard of it, but now I have to have it. I just love a 
> lit-up bike.
> 
> Are you getting a Platypus? What color did you settle on?
> #RivSisters,
> Leah
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Oct 12, 2020, at 8:42 AM, JAS  wrote:
> > 
> > Way to go, Leah!  Rich S named it wellI, too, love reading the Leah 
> > Chronicles and all the inspiration that comes from your joyful riding.  May 
> > the raspberry Platy be all you have hoped!  You’re going to fly on it, no 
> > doubt.  
> > 
> > I had put aside the idea of upgrading the wheels on my Clem in anticipation 
> > of getting a Playtypus tricked out, but your comment about your new Clem 
> > wheels has got me thinking again!  
> > Should I thank you for helping me spend my retirement funds? 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Jesse Stoddard]

In addition to running Boscos, I have my Ogre setup with a 7 inch 
threadless stem riser. So yeah, I'm bolt upright, hands slightly behind the 
steering axis etc. I love it. Also I run two sets of Surly's dropout 
spacers in the back, yielding ~46cm stays. 

The 73 degree STA is too steep for sit-up-and-beg I'm finding, so in 
conjunction with a long setback post, looks like I'll have to run something 
like the WTB saddle Pete suggested. 

Still wondering about how far back I can get the Loveland and C67, too. 
Also have never been on a saddle as short as the Loveland and wonder if 
that would agree with me.

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ted Fay]

Jesse, 

For complicated reasons, I have an extra saddle (unused, still in original 
package/bag) which might be what you are looking for. It's yours for 
shipping if you'd like to check it 
out. 
https://www.cyclestoussaint.com/collections/accessories/products/la-cite-leather-saddle

If it works for you, give a few extra cents to the folks 
at https://www.feedingamerica.org or https://www.railstotrails.org. If not, 
send it back to me. Unused bike parts are a small crime. 

Ted

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-5 Pete B wrote:

> Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a 
> synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like 
> the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  
>
> I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of 
> limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using 
> Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, 
> so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.
>
> FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me 
> than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a 
> leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. 
> Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel 
> like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems 
> better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John 
> says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, 
> because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from 
> squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer 
> seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. 
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
>> tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
>> with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
>> get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
>> to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
>> to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
>> which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 
>>
>> I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2020 miles in 2020

[Ted Fay]

Leah,

Thank you for sharing. A difficult year for many, a particularly 
challenging one for you. Great to see you found a source of strength and 
ability to cope.

Keep riding. 



On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:19:24 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Leah,
> That is so sad that the bike he ordered didn't arrive before his passing. 
> My first thought is that the bike is a legacy that he left for you and your 
> sons. Hold tight to it because I have no doubt it will be used by your 
> sons. (Proverbs 17:6). 
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, speaking of Dad/my rides, do you know that he had a Clem L on order 
>> this summer? He was 6’3” and got the 59 cm Clem, in RBW Blue, to match 
>> mine. I really had high hopes of riding our matching bikes together, but he 
>> died before he ever got his bike. Initially, we thought about cancelling 
>> the order, but in the end, Mom and I had it shipped to me. I have two sons, 
>> and no doubt one of them will fit that bike someday. Or I suppose if 
>> (heaven forbid) my Clem got stolen/wrecked, I could make it work. It’s a 
>> shame to see it sitting in the box, but it will get used someday. My boys 
>> are a growth spurt away...
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> That is a lot of miles! I am positive that your dad is with you on all 
>> those rides. Keep on keeping on.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 4:01:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At the beginning of 2020 (back when we were so naive and hopeful) I set 
>>> an ambitious goal for myself: 2,020 miles in 2020. This may seem small to 
>>> some of you, but I live out in suburbia, surrounded by punishing 
>>> hills/mountains, and there are few places to go out here. Most trips 
>>> require a car. The one bike commute that gave me 4 miles/day was to the 
>>> boys’ school, but by March, that was gone - replaced by virtual school. 
>>>
>>> Having everyone at home all the time was a blessing and a challenge. I 
>>> started going out in the evenings, looking for places to go by bike to 
>>> clear my mind and wear out my body. I rode down the mountain and began 
>>> exploring the development there. They had thoughtfully put in bike lanes 
>>> and a blacktop bike path, and I discovered that I could make a 10.1 mile 
>>> loop, start to finish. The thing was, I only had my stock Clementine - the 
>>> 2019, super-long model, set up to be a school commuter. Beautiful and 
>>> capable, but heavy. I ordered a new wheelset and dyno lighting from Analog, 
>>> and that really changed the game for me. Lightened up (in weight and 
>>> lumens!), I could venture further from home, regardless of elevation or 
>>> sunlight. I began to rack up miles. 
>>>
>>> I pedaled through a global pandemic. I pedaled through triple digit 
>>> heat. I pedaled through the entire Hamilton soundtrack, memorizing it. I 
>>> pedaled through wildfire smoke and record-breaking temps. I pedaled through 
>>> rain. And wind. When a pulmonary embolism robbed me of my young, handsome, 
>>> healthy dad in July, I pedaled (sometimes sobbing) through that, too. I 
>>> pedaled in Minnesota humidity with my basket full of stuffed animals, my 
>>> tiny niece shadowing me on her little bike. I pedaled through springtime, 
>>> when entire trees exploded in blooms, and I will pedal through fall when 
>>> the leaves are a riot of color. On October 9th, I hit my mileage goal. 
>>>
>>> 2,020 miles in 2020. 
>>>
>>> I’m going to keep pedaling, but I may finish out the year on a raspberry 
>>> Platypus, depending on when the wheelset gets here. Until then, I’ll keep 
>>> using this Clem, stout and dressed as a commuter, as an exercise bike. 
>>> Don’t let anyone tell you you can’t - you can, and you’ll have muscles, to 
>>> boot.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Fit Question for a newbie

[Cyclofiend Jim]

This is one of those things with Rivendell does very, very well. I'd reach 
out to them and have them talk you through it. 
A lot will have to do with your riding style, the type of locations you 
favor and the bar setup you choose. But, they've talked hundreds of people 
through that process and know their bikes very well. 

- J

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:54:22 PM UTC-7 chase@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am new to this group (though have been reading the forum for bit)... I 
> have been saving up and am finally getting ready to purchase a Riv! For 
> sure planning to get an Appaloosa or Atlantis... would love to hear any 
> ideas on fit. I am just under 5'6" with a PBH (no shoes) that is either 78 
> or 79 depending on the day. From what I can figure out a 50 Atlantis would 
> be a good fit. I've talked to some folks about the Appaloosa and it seems I 
> am between sizes on the Appaloosa. Hard since these aren't bikes we can 
> just go try out. Any feedback would be awesome! Or if anyone in the NYC 
> area with any of these bikes in these sizes and would be open to meeting up 
> (totally understand if you aren't) that would be cool! 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chase
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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[iamkeith]

I actually don't think Selle Anatomica would work well in an upright position.  
I've got them on almost all of my bikes now.  I don't ride in an "agressive," 
level-back posture - more like 55 degree forward lean in most cases, and the 
saddle is great for this.  Any more upright than that, it would feel too narrow 
and long AND stretch out really quickly.  

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Joe Appaloosa

[River Bailey]

Thanks, Joe. Good options/advice.

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 9:24:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi River,
>
> Rich @ Riv built a really nice Atlas set with WI hubs for my custom. 
> Pricey, but you could do a dyno front and Shimano rear for less money with 
> the same rims. He can be reached at Rich @ rivbike . com. 
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:55:03 PM UTC-7 River Bailey wrote:
>
>> Looking for advice on upgrading my wheelset. Just built my JA with the 
>> Velocity-Built Budget Alex. Looking to run a Dyno front light sooo? The 
>> Velocity-Built Riv standard Atlas seems like a good solution but they're 
>> sold out. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4178.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2020 miles in 2020

[Doug H.]

Leah,
That is so sad that the bike he ordered didn't arrive before his passing. 
My first thought is that the bike is a legacy that he left for you and your 
sons. Hold tight to it because I have no doubt it will be used by your 
sons. (Proverbs 17:6). 
Doug

On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Doug, speaking of Dad/my rides, do you know that he had a Clem L on order 
> this summer? He was 6’3” and got the 59 cm Clem, in RBW Blue, to match 
> mine. I really had high hopes of riding our matching bikes together, but he 
> died before he ever got his bike. Initially, we thought about cancelling 
> the order, but in the end, Mom and I had it shipped to me. I have two sons, 
> and no doubt one of them will fit that bike someday. Or I suppose if 
> (heaven forbid) my Clem got stolen/wrecked, I could make it work. It’s a 
> shame to see it sitting in the box, but it will get used someday. My boys 
> are a growth spurt away...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> That is a lot of miles! I am positive that your dad is with you on all 
> those rides. Keep on keeping on.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 4:01:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> At the beginning of 2020 (back when we were so naive and hopeful) I set 
>> an ambitious goal for myself: 2,020 miles in 2020. This may seem small to 
>> some of you, but I live out in suburbia, surrounded by punishing 
>> hills/mountains, and there are few places to go out here. Most trips 
>> require a car. The one bike commute that gave me 4 miles/day was to the 
>> boys’ school, but by March, that was gone - replaced by virtual school. 
>>
>> Having everyone at home all the time was a blessing and a challenge. I 
>> started going out in the evenings, looking for places to go by bike to 
>> clear my mind and wear out my body. I rode down the mountain and began 
>> exploring the development there. They had thoughtfully put in bike lanes 
>> and a blacktop bike path, and I discovered that I could make a 10.1 mile 
>> loop, start to finish. The thing was, I only had my stock Clementine - the 
>> 2019, super-long model, set up to be a school commuter. Beautiful and 
>> capable, but heavy. I ordered a new wheelset and dyno lighting from Analog, 
>> and that really changed the game for me. Lightened up (in weight and 
>> lumens!), I could venture further from home, regardless of elevation or 
>> sunlight. I began to rack up miles. 
>>
>> I pedaled through a global pandemic. I pedaled through triple digit heat. 
>> I pedaled through the entire Hamilton soundtrack, memorizing it. I pedaled 
>> through wildfire smoke and record-breaking temps. I pedaled through rain. 
>> And wind. When a pulmonary embolism robbed me of my young, handsome, 
>> healthy dad in July, I pedaled (sometimes sobbing) through that, too. I 
>> pedaled in Minnesota humidity with my basket full of stuffed animals, my 
>> tiny niece shadowing me on her little bike. I pedaled through springtime, 
>> when entire trees exploded in blooms, and I will pedal through fall when 
>> the leaves are a riot of color. On October 9th, I hit my mileage goal. 
>>
>> 2,020 miles in 2020. 
>>
>> I’m going to keep pedaling, but I may finish out the year on a raspberry 
>> Platypus, depending on when the wheelset gets here. Until then, I’ll keep 
>> using this Clem, stout and dressed as a commuter, as an exercise bike. 
>> Don’t let anyone tell you you can’t - you can, and you’ll have muscles, to 
>> boot.
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: 650b Atlantis Sizing for an 85PBH

[Brent B]

84~85 pbh and 5'9" here and I'm on a size 53 MIT Atlantis (from February 
'20), and the fit is working pretty well for me. I also considered the 56 
and I think it could have worked, but I'd have needed a short stem. My 
current setup is an 80cm stem wiith Ahearne+Map bars, set kinda low. Also 
tried bullmoose bars, which were great if I set them a bit higher up, and i 
have a 120cm stem w/Billie bars that works nicely for more relaxed riding. 

I also ride a old 55 All City Space Horse canti and a Med/55 Crust 
Lightning Bolt. 

You could maybe make the 56 work if you want to learn to love a bigger bike 
fit; according to the charts you can clear the standover even if you max 
out your tire size, but it's gonna feel like a big bike!

I think this sizing is accurate to our Atlanti:
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9b%2C5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9a

-Brent

On Tuesday, 13 October 2020 at 00:00:10 UTC-4 Jonathan D. wrote:

> I have an 85 PBH and ride a 56 Waterford I am debating selling but not 
> because of fit.  I also rode a 58 Toyo Atlantis.  Both were great and I 
> would have gone just with wheel size.  I would buy a 53 MIT and ride a 55 
> Joe Appaloosa. 
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> Alex:
>>
>> I have an 84cm PBH & ride a 58cm Atlantis from Toyo.  I've also ridden a 
>> 56 cm & can fit either one. I'm in an overlap of the two sizes as made by 
>> Toyo.
>>
>> Now to your question:  Do you know if the 56 cm 650B is from Waterford or 
>> Taiwan?  There was a brief period a while back when Waterford made the 
>> Atlantis.  I rode a 56cm 650B Waterford & it was a nice fit & nice ride.  
>> Toyo's Atlantis was 26" wheels.  
>>
>> For the MIT (current version), there is no 56 cm.  53, 55, 59, but no 
>> 56.  I rode a 53 cm without knowing it's size & assumed it was a 56.  It 
>> felt great, especially the ride quality with the longer wheel base.  After 
>> the ride, they told me it was a 53, and I was pleasantly surprised.
>>
>> I'll bet if you build it up & ride it, you'll love it.  
>>
>> dougP  
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-7, Alex K wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all.  I know Atlantis sizing is a hot topic around these parts.  At 
>>> the risk of being redundant, I am trying to figure out which Atlantis is 
>>> the one for me.  I recently bought a 56cm Atlantis 650b frame from the RBW 
>>> Garage Sale, thinking that it was the perfect size for me.  Now that I am 
>>> getting close to building it up, i’m starting to doubt myself.  I have an 
>>> 85 PBH.  I tend to like bikes a LITTLE bit on the smaller size.  Wondering 
>>> if perhaps the 53 Atlantis is actually the one for me.   Anybody have ANY 
>>> advice at all?  Thanks a bunch.
>>> Alex
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[lconley]

I use the B-68 which can still be found on Ebay occasionally. I have 6 or 7 
of them (3 aged and the rest in standard black). Same shape as the B-67 but 
without the springs. My wife has a B-68S on her Betty Foy.
I also had a B-678 built - Honey B67 leather on a chromed B68 frame.
The Loveland is rock hard compared to the Brooks B-68.

Laing
Delray Beach FL




On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4, Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
> the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
> excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Robert Tilley]

  I use the WTB Pure on many of my bikes and it is my go-to non-leather saddle. I love the B17 and the Pure is just as comfortable for me but offers more setback and I can move around on it more than on a B17.I actually prefer the older model that was called the Pure V. It feels better to me even though they look to be basically the same as the new model. I have a few Pure V's squirreled away for future use.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: peter.b...@gmail.comSent: October 13, 2020 8:02 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?  Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. PeteArlington, VAOn Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?



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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Pete B]

Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a 
synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like 
the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  

I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of 
limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using 
Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, 
so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.

FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me 
than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a 
leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. 
Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel 
like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems 
better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John 
says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, 
because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from 
squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer 
seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. 

Pete
Arlington, VA
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
> tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
> with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
> get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
> to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
> to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
> which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 
>
> I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Patrick Cronin]

The Ogre, with its super sloping top tube, tends not to have handlebars 
above saddle height. The title of this post is, "very upright posture". Not 
too many Ogres are set up that way. Based on the information you've 
provided, it seems like you need a longer stem or a stem with more rise, 
but that may not be the case. Plenty of Ogres out there with B17, Flyers, 
and Cambiums, but hardly ever with B67.

-Patrick

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
> tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
> with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
> get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
> to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
> to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
> which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 
>
> I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Jesse]

Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 

I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?


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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ben Mihovk]

Whoops...the Flyer is the one that's the same measurements as the 17...my 
bad. 


On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 9:13:41 AM UTC-5 Patrick Cronin wrote:

> Selle Anatomica also has a loyal following. The only leather saddles I've 
> ridden are Brooks. B17 saddles (unsprung) do ok for upright, but the flyer 
> (basically a sprung B17) is better. I have a Flyer on my Hunqapillar. For 
> super upright riding, the B67, wide and sprung, is touted as superior (and 
> I have one on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem), but I prefer the flyer. The reason 
> has to do with my sit bones (narrow) and bottom mass (minimal). For those 
> with wider sit bones and more bottom mass, the B67 would likely be ideal 
> and the flyer too narrow. Both the Flyer and the B67 come in "short" 
> versions for women and smaller riders.
>
> Another Brooks saddle to consider, but one I have not tried, is the 
> Cambium C67 ( https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c67.html ). 
>
> -Patrick
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4 Jesse wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Patrick Cronin]

Selle Anatomica also has a loyal following. The only leather saddles I've 
ridden are Brooks. B17 saddles (unsprung) do ok for upright, but the flyer 
(basically a sprung B17) is better. I have a Flyer on my Hunqapillar. For 
super upright riding, the B67, wide and sprung, is touted as superior (and 
I have one on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem), but I prefer the flyer. The reason 
has to do with my sit bones (narrow) and bottom mass (minimal). For those 
with wider sit bones and more bottom mass, the B67 would likely be ideal 
and the flyer too narrow. Both the Flyer and the B67 come in "short" 
versions for women and smaller riders.

Another Brooks saddle to consider, but one I have not tried, is the Cambium 
C67 ( https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c67.html ). 

-Patrick
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4 Jesse wrote:

> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
> the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
> excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hello!
I've never sat on a B67, but if Riv's info is correct, it's the same 
dimensions as a B17. I ride fairly upright and use a B17 and find it VERY 
comfortable (and I'm 6'3" 220). I'm assuming you've ruled that out or have 
tried it and it didn't work, though. What John said about the wiggle room 
to the sides is good info, too...that might make the 67 edge out the 17 if 
you think that'd make the saddle more comfy.

Ben


On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:57:07 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:

> Before you rule out a Brooks B-67, Jesse, there's one thing to consider:
> The springs are very stiff, and only provide the minimum of 
> shock-absorbing qualities.
>
> What the springs *do* allow is a little sideways movement as you pedal, 
> dipping a little with each pedal stroke. 
> It's a great saddle for an upright position, giving your sit-bones the 
> perfect platform on which to perch. 
>
> - John in Portland
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[John A. Bennett]

Before you rule out a Brooks B-67, Jesse, there's one thing to consider:
The springs are very stiff, and only provide the minimum of shock-absorbing 
qualities.

What the springs *do* allow is a little sideways movement as you pedal, 
dipping a little with each pedal stroke. 
It's a great saddle for an upright position, giving your sit-bones the 
perfect platform on which to perch. 

- John in Portland



On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse wrote:

> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
> the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
> excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Joe Appaloosa

[Mark Roland]

Yes to re-using the Alex. These are actually fine rims, I think a couple 
grams lighter than the Atlas, not that that matters. Main difference is the 
satin silver finish. I've had both models on my El Clem, if you gave me a 
million--no, two million dollars I could not tell you the difference in 
terms of ride. Aesthetically both are nice as well, both very durable in my 
experience ( I did have to replace an Atlas after a nighttime full speed 
hit of a double pothole, but that would have put an unfixable flat spot in 
just about any rim short of maybe a fat bike rim.)

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:31:40 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> Depends on the budget:
>Lowest budget - just lace the best front dyno hub (Shimano or Kasai) 
> that meets your budget into the front rim that you already have. See if you 
> can find a spoking pattern that allows you to re-use the same spokes with 
> new nipples or stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim). I 
> weigh 280 and have reused spokes on many occasions with no ill effects. I 
> laced a Shutter Precision dyno hub into a VO touring wheelset with the same 
> spokes and nipples, then transferred the same hubs and spokes to Alex DM-23 
> rims. And then changed back to the VO rims.
>Low budget full wheelset - Shimano rear hub, Kasai Dyno front hub, 
> Velocity NO BS rims, stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim).
>... Lots of choices for medium budget - same as Low budget with 
> Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger rims.
>High budget - Phil Wood rear hub, SON widebody front dyno hub, Velocity 
> Cliffhanger rims, stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim).
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:55:03 PM UTC-4, River Bailey wrote:
>>
>> Looking for advice on upgrading my wheelset. Just built my JA with the 
>> Velocity-Built Budget Alex. Looking to run a Dyno front light sooo? The 
>> Velocity-Built Riv standard Atlas seems like a good solution but they're 
>> sold out. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4178.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Joe Appaloosa

[Dorothy C]

I did the first option Laing suggests - had the bike shop lace a Kasai 
dynacoil into the Alex rim that came with my Appaloosa. 36 spoke 3 cross 
with labor and new spokes came to $100, plus the dynamo purchase. That is 
in Los Angeles so labor cost would probably be lower elsewhere. 
I have a set of Velocity NoBS rim wheels, and at least the set I got are 
Schraeder drilled, which means a different tube and hand pump than the rest 
of my bikes, which is a bit annoying. 

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 5:31:40 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Depends on the budget:
>Lowest budget - just lace the best front dyno hub (Shimano or Kasai) 
> that meets your budget into the front rim that you already have. See if you 
> can find a spoking pattern that allows you to re-use the same spokes with 
> new nipples or stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim). I 
> weigh 280 and have reused spokes on many occasions with no ill effects. I 
> laced a Shutter Precision dyno hub into a VO touring wheelset with the same 
> spokes and nipples, then transferred the same hubs and spokes to Alex DM-23 
> rims. And then changed back to the VO rims.
>Low budget full wheelset - Shimano rear hub, Kasai Dyno front hub, 
> Velocity NO BS rims, stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim).
>... Lots of choices for medium budget - same as Low budget with 
> Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger rims.
>High budget - Phil Wood rear hub, SON widebody front dyno hub, Velocity 
> Cliffhanger rims, stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim).
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:55:03 PM UTC-4, River Bailey wrote:
>>
>> Looking for advice on upgrading my wheelset. Just built my JA with the 
>> Velocity-Built Budget Alex. Looking to run a Dyno front light sooo? The 
>> Velocity-Built Riv standard Atlas seems like a good solution but they're 
>> sold out. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4178.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Joe Appaloosa

[lconley]

Depends on the budget:
   Lowest budget - just lace the best front dyno hub (Shimano or Kasai) 
that meets your budget into the front rim that you already have. See if you 
can find a spoking pattern that allows you to re-use the same spokes with 
new nipples or stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim). I 
weigh 280 and have reused spokes on many occasions with no ill effects. I 
laced a Shutter Precision dyno hub into a VO touring wheelset with the same 
spokes and nipples, then transferred the same hubs and spokes to Alex DM-23 
rims. And then changed back to the VO rims.
   Low budget full wheelset - Shimano rear hub, Kasai Dyno front hub, 
Velocity NO BS rims, stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim).
   ... Lots of choices for medium budget - same as Low budget with Velocity 
Atlas or Cliffhanger rims.
   High budget - Phil Wood rear hub, SON widebody front dyno hub, Velocity 
Cliffhanger rims, stainless double butted spokes (Wheelsmith, DT, Sapim).

Laing
Delray Beach, FL


On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 8:55:03 PM UTC-4, River Bailey wrote:
>
> Looking for advice on upgrading my wheelset. Just built my JA with the 
> Velocity-Built Budget Alex. Looking to run a Dyno front light sooo? The 
> Velocity-Built Riv standard Atlas seems like a good solution but they're 
> sold out. 
>
> [image: IMG_4178.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Jesse]

What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.

The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
excellent quality.

Anything else to consider?

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