[RBW] IRe: new Google Groups question

[Ian A]

I got bumped too. Now on the "new and improved" version. It is a lot 
clunkier in mobile view than Classic. In order to reply to this thread I 
had to switch my Android device to desktop mode. It's still usable, but so 
far I'm not enjoying the new interface.

IanA
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 4:08:34 PM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:

> And talk about dumb and redundant/not necessary, after I post, a comment 
> comes up New Message Posted/ View Message. You hit View Message, then it 
> comes up New Message from Mark Roland. Really? Who is that? In front of the 
> message is a refresh circular arrow. You must now hit this (third step) to 
> finally see the message. At least you know who it's from. Sheesh.
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 6:04:47 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> I just got involuntarily forced into the new view.  How this is an 
>> improvement I have no idea. The nice easy visual parameters that let you 
>> know what you've read, how many messages have posted since, who the OP was, 
>> etc., all knowable at a glance. I see that top posts have also been 
>> removed. No doubt a temporary glitch. I guess Google has to justify all 
>> those highly paid software engineers in some way or another. I don't think 
>> I am being a retrogrouch when I say it sucks. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:00:25 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> That's disappointing. I am still on Classic view. I don't suppose that 
>>> will last now.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the new format will be tweaked over time to make it more 
>>> user-friendly. Or maybe it's the beginning of the end for Groups as we know 
>>> it.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar bags

[Joseph Bernard]

You're supposed to be looking at the bags! (I'm totally showing off my
custom )

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 9:25 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> VERY nice Joe!  Always a treat to see new photos of the custom.
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar bags

[Jason Fuller]

VERY nice Joe!  Always a treat to see new photos of the custom. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: New Sams are open for order

[velomann]

I picked my frame up from Golden Pliers in PDX today!
For those not yet hooked up, Kevin has a blue 54 and a dark gold 57 that 
are not (yet) spoken for ;-)

Mike M

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 5:53:32 PM UTC-8 Howard Hatten wrote:

>
> I got a shipping email today
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 4:42:59 PM UTC-5 belopol...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone received a shipping email yet? I spoke with James today and he 
>> says due to the amount of orders, they're a bit behind. 2-3 weeks for my 
>> frame+parts. I did not ask for it to be prepped. I believe that prepped 
>> frames take a lot longer.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:38 PM UTC-5 i wrote:
>>
>>> Glad I jumped on the 54 when I did!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:42:21 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>
 It looks like the gold frames are only available in 48 now, and the 
 blue only in 57 or 60.
 That's how I read it anyway. 
 Day 1, 7:40 PM PST.

 Mike M

 On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:50:04 PM UTC-8 jonathan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> 54cm are sold out too! Yikes that was fast...
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:24:32 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-sam-hillborne-2020
>>
>> 51cm are already sold out.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Leah Peterson]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!!! Mike isn’t getting any sleep tonight! You better post 
regular updates...we’re cheering from here!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:31 PM, velomann  wrote:
> 
> Teaser, including the groundscore bandana I found while out picking up the 
> frame at Golden Pliers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> Mike M
> 
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:34:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> I think I recently read in some form of Rivendell communication or another, 
>> that Riv will be getting new shipments of bicycles monthly for the next 
>> several months - starting now. I love this for several reasons. 
>> 
>> 1. Rivendell is making money. 
>> 2. People are having New Bike Day. 
>> 3. New Rivendells are arguably the best topic we have on this List. 
>> 
>> I think it would be fun to start a thread specific to these new bikes and 
>> see who is getting what. Maybe it’s for you. Maybe it’s a Christmas gift for 
>> your spouse or your kiddo. Today, the dark gold and Rivendell blue Sams were 
>> up for grabs. I would love to celebrate with you if you ordered one and care 
>> to mention it here. 
>> 
>> I don’t know what number of frames Rivendell started with, but there were 
>> only a handful left on the site a couple of hours ago. Congratulations if 
>> you are a proud new owner! 
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar bags

[Mark Roland]

Slick! I like that.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This doesn't apply directly to what Leah's looking for but I mentioned it 
> and now it's here and I have pics! Road Runner Burrito Supreme and wedge 
> bag in a gray that perfectly matches the sidewalls on the tires. 
> Matchy-matchy!!!
>
> Joe "I'll take the gray to go with the gray and the other gray" Bernard
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[velomann]

BTW - Kevin at Golden Pliers in PDX also ordered a blue 54 (hanging on the 
wall) and a dark gold 57 (arriving any day) neither of which are spoken for 
(yet!)
Mike M

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:34:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I think I recently read in some form of Rivendell communication or 
> another, that Riv will be getting new shipments of bicycles monthly for the 
> next several months - starting now. I love this for several reasons. 
>
> 1. Rivendell is making money. 
> 2. People are having New Bike Day.
> 3. New Rivendells are arguably the best topic we have on this List.
>
> I think it would be fun to start a thread specific to these new bikes and 
> see who is getting what. Maybe it’s for you. Maybe it’s a Christmas gift 
> for your spouse or your kiddo. Today, the dark gold and Rivendell blue Sams 
> were up for grabs. I would love to celebrate with you if you ordered one 
> and care to mention it here. 
>
> I don’t know what number of frames Rivendell started with, but there were 
> only a handful left on the site a couple of hours ago. Congratulations if 
> you are a proud new owner!
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: PSA: New Sams are open for order

[Howard Hatten]

I got a shipping email today

Howard
Livonia Mi
On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 4:42:59 PM UTC-5 belopol...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Has anyone received a shipping email yet? I spoke with James today and he 
> says due to the amount of orders, they're a bit behind. 2-3 weeks for my 
> frame+parts. I did not ask for it to be prepped. I believe that prepped 
> frames take a lot longer.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:38 PM UTC-5 i wrote:
>
>> Glad I jumped on the 54 when I did!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:42:21 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like the gold frames are only available in 48 now, and the blue 
>>> only in 57 or 60.
>>> That's how I read it anyway. 
>>> Day 1, 7:40 PM PST.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:50:04 PM UTC-8 jonathan...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 54cm are sold out too! Yikes that was fast...

 On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:24:32 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu 
 wrote:

>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-sam-hillborne-2020
>
> 51cm are already sold out.  
>


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[RBW] Riv Pics with Special Effects

[True Golden]

Paul, that reminds me of a bike I saw about a month ago that had wheels that 
were built way off center.

I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish with that.

I think it was propably an
attention getter oddball look type of thing.

Paul in Dallas

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for Front Der for Clem H?

[Fullylugged]

The Alivio derailler goes under the bottom boss but reaches up high.  I've 
seen it on several Hybrid "fitness" bikes.  Another option.
https://www.rei.com/product/182374/shimano-alivio-m3100-3-x-9-speed-front-derailleur

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 12:30:58 PM UTC-6 Ray wrote:

> Joe, don't give it a second thought. Your comment didn't read know-it-all 
> to me in the slightest. I know you were just being helpful.
>
> Mark, thank you for the encouragement. I am worried as you said that the 
> best place to mound the derailleur is right where that boss is as it 
> currently can make the shift but rubs slightly and so only needs to be a 
> few millimeters higher. Still, I'll give it a shot after work tonight and 
> see if that will be a good solution. Also, I fully agree about the band 
> clamp being a pain. It took me several attempts to get it hooked and at one 
> point the band shot across the room while I was trying to adjust tighten 
> it...
>
> Ray
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 7:49:13 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Final word! That Exage is one of those derailleurs with the band clamp. I 
>> have a Deore LX I think with that design, which I find to be a  pain. But 
>> the good news is, no water bottle cage clearance issues. And it handles up 
>> to a 48t ring, so you should be able to get it to work fine here.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Mark Roland]

I guess you missed the two photos of the center pulls on my bikes I posted 
above. Yes, it's true, Dia Compe 750s are center pull brakes, and only 
center pull brakes.
[image: white 750.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Custom FS

[Paul Brodek]

Golly gee willikers, that background looks very familiar to me, maybe some 
of the parts as well.

Could it be the same background that was behind my 
bank-shot/catch-and-release JPW?

Steve puts together some handsome machines. Extra points for the green Paul 
calipers.

GLWS!

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 10:59:45 AM UTC-5, S. Greco wrote:
>
> Bump for price drops
>
> Frame w/ Rack :
>
> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>
> $1650
>
>
> Frame w/ Rack & Paul Comp Bits :
>
> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>
> Paul Component Racer M (green anodized)
>
> Paul Component Skewers (green anodized)
>
> $2350
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:47:47 PM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:
>
>> 2000s Curt Goodrich Rivendell Custom  / Joe Bell Paint
>>
>> 58.5TT x 58.5ST (61.5 CTT)
>>
>> More photos available HERE 
>> 
>>
>> [image: DSCF4439.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Frame w/ Rack :
>>
>> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>>
>> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>>
>> $1950
>>
>>
>> Frame w/ Rack & Paul Comp Bits :
>>
>> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>>
>> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>>
>> Paul Component Racer M (green anodized)
>>
>> Paul Component Skewers (green anodized)
>>
>> $2450
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll include a used Nitto S65 post, mainly to protect the seat cluster 
>> lug during shipment.
>>
>> I'll also include a used Nitto Noodle / Technomic with cockpit for free 
>> if anyone is interested.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Mark Roland]

And talk about dumb and redundant/not necessary, after I post, a comment 
comes up New Message Posted/ View Message. You hit View Message, then it 
comes up New Message from Mark Roland. Really? Who is that? In front of the 
message is a refresh circular arrow. You must now hit this (third step) to 
finally see the message. At least you know who it's from. Sheesh.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 6:04:47 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> I just got involuntarily forced into the new view.  How this is an 
> improvement I have no idea. The nice easy visual parameters that let you 
> know what you've read, how many messages have posted since, who the OP was, 
> etc., all knowable at a glance. I see that top posts have also been 
> removed. No doubt a temporary glitch. I guess Google has to justify all 
> those highly paid software engineers in some way or another. I don't think 
> I am being a retrogrouch when I say it sucks. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:00:25 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>
>> That's disappointing. I am still on Classic view. I don't suppose that 
>> will last now.
>>
>> Perhaps the new format will be tweaked over time to make it more 
>> user-friendly. Or maybe it's the beginning of the end for Groups as we know 
>> it.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Mark Roland]

I just got involuntarily forced into the new view.  How this is an 
improvement I have no idea. The nice easy visual parameters that let you 
know what you've read, how many messages have posted since, who the OP was, 
etc., all knowable at a glance. I see that top posts have also been 
removed. No doubt a temporary glitch. I guess Google has to justify all 
those highly paid software engineers in some way or another. I don't think 
I am being a retrogrouch when I say it sucks. 

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:00:25 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:

> That's disappointing. I am still on Classic view. I don't suppose that 
> will last now.
>
> Perhaps the new format will be tweaked over time to make it more 
> user-friendly. Or maybe it's the beginning of the end for Groups as we know 
> it.
>
> IanA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fancy Brooks Bags Edition, Velolumino Tail Light, random parts

[Minh]

a few items sold, dropped prices on other stuff, see below!

First thanks everyone for the kind words regarding my move, its not a bad 
thing, but just a change of lifestyle that really requires downsizing a lot 
of hobbies, I just can’t have 6 bikes in a city apt (but if you want to 
prove me wrong go ahead and post), I’m hoping 1.5 bikes is the right amount 
and I can keep my quick beam.  hopefully my last round of FS posts too!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FAoCJqFbVZ737wZd6

The fancy accessory bag editions.  shipping is extra but it should be 
between $7 on the low end to $20 for the biggest bag.  if you like 
something, make me an offer!  

$20 Brooks Challenge Saddle bag, black (the tubular one): this ones is well 
used, straps are stretched and one of the buckle bolts was replaced with a 
nut and bolt.  

$25 Brooks Victoria Saddle Bag, yellow/mustard.  This ones a bit odd, the 
idea is that you would slide it over your saddle and the back part hangs 
down, and when you got to your destination you would slide it off and carry 
it like a purse.  In reality it doesnt really work well as either, but cute 
idea, well made.  
https://www.core77.com/posts/21021/getting-into-gear-ian-mahaffys-victoria-saddle-bag-for-brooks-21021

These next two were a collab that brooks did a few years back with the 
Royal College of Art in London (RCA), here’s a cool video, 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rL_3gMvghY=emb_logo

 they are so nice that I only used them a handful of times and don’t even 
have a picture of them on any of my bikes.  Both have a few small scratches 
from being handled or mounted.  

$80 Brooks B4 Frame Bag, honey brown:  some reference pictures, 
https://www.voltairecyclesco.com/products/brooks-england-b4-leather-frame-bag

This mounts the bike in the corner of the frame.  About the same size as 
the D shaped bags.  

$80 Brooks B1 saddle bag, honey brown: some reference pics, 
https://www.voltairecyclesveronanj.com/products/brooks-england-b1-leather-bicycle-handlebar-bag?variant=8133943066721,
 
this one is a little more practical, turns into a decent shoulder bag/purse 
off the bike.  Don’t think I ever mounted/used this.  

And lastly a big boy saddlebag, this one replaced a pannier for me its so 
big and stable

$140 Berthoud Saddlebag with seatpost rack, older model of this bag here, 
https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/962-saddle-bag-gb604-96l-gray.html, I need to 
doublecheck to make sure its the 9L one.  The rack makes it super solid but 
it does add weight.  Sorry for the bad pic, I’ll get some more if you need 
them, I was on the fence about selling this one

A few additional items I’m unearthing as we move. 

$60: Velo lumino dyno tail light, fender mounted, in a polished finish.  I 
do not know what Anton changed from v1 to v2!  Please note that this light 
has been mounted/used, so there are some light scratches in the finish, and 
the wiring is very short to accommodate a disconnect at the fender.  I will 
include a few additional disconnects, but you will need to figure out your 
own wiring etc. 

$15: mks GR9 platform pedals with clips, notice that one of the tabs broke 
off and is missing

$5: set of Christophe toe clips with leather accents
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 9:27:41 AM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> a few items sold, dropped prices on other stuff, see below!
>
>
>> First thanks everyone for the kind words regarding my move, its not a bad 
>> thing, but just a change of lifestyle that really requires downsizing a lot 
>> of hobbies, I just can’t have 6 bikes in a city apt (but if you want to 
>> prove me wrong go ahead and post), I’m hoping 1.5 bikes is the right amount 
>> and I can keep my quick beam.  hopefully my last round of FS posts too!
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FAoCJqFbVZ737wZd6
>>
>> The fancy accessory bag editions.  shipping is extra but it should be 
>> between $7 on the low end to $20 for the biggest bag.  if you like 
>> something, make me an offer!  
>>
> $SOLD 50 Duluth Banana Bike Bag in grey, believe this is way back from the 
>> first edition
>>
> $25 Brooks Challenge Saddle bag, black (the tubular one): this ones is 
>> well used, straps are stretched and one of the buckle bolts was replaced 
>> with a nut and bolt.  
>>
> $SOLD 60 Brooks D Shaped Saddle Bag, black, straps are stretched but still 
>> solid, there are scuffs from use, but pack is still tight.  
>>
>> $30 Brooks Victoria Saddle Bag, yellow/mustard.  This ones a bit odd, the 
>> idea is that you would slide it over your saddle and the back part hangs 
>> down, and when you got to your destination you would slide it off and carry 
>> it like a purse.  In reality it doesnt really work well as either, but cute 
>> idea, well made.  
>> https://www.core77.com/posts/21021/getting-into-gear-ian-mahaffys-victoria-saddle-bag-for-brooks-21021
>>
> These next two were a collab that brooks did a few years back with the 
>> Royal College of Art in London (RCA), here’s a cool video, 
>> 

[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

['islaysteve' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just a note on cutting cable housing:  If you already have a Dremel tool, 
they work great to cut housing with a standard cutting wheel.  Definitely 
invest in a real cable cutter if you don't have one.   Good luck on your 
build!

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:16:30 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Not a required tool, but Park's triangular multi-allen tool is 
> invaluable.  4, 5, & 6 mm keys mounted on a hub that makes the two you 
> aren't using a handle so you can put on enough force to get things tight.  
> Also a real cable housing cutter.  You can cut housing with ordinary wire 
> cutters but it crushes it into an oval & leaves a jagged end.  Spring for 
> the real deal.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 8:10:05 AM UTC-8 bria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> Long time lurker here. I just purchased by first Riv frame. It's a c.2016 
>> Sam H 51cm. 
>>
>> I'm looking to build this out to be solid all-rounder, keeping very 
>> classic styling w/ all its parts. Wanna avoid snake oil purchases– will 
>> spend $$$ where truly needed. Also– will be doing my own 
>> assembly/maintenance for lack of a LBS nearby. 
>>
>> I realize this is a lot to ask from you knowledgeable folks– so any help 
>> is very much appreciated. 
>>
>> HERE 
>> 
>>  is 
>> a list of tools I already own/list of components I'm looking to buy. Any 
>> and all notes/recs are welcome. Along with any personal tips on assembly. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Old school 10 speed

[J L]

Sam,

I bet the larger (correct) frame size puts you in a better position for how you 
ride. I’m with you, a bike doesn’t need modern bells and whistles to ride well. 

Jason 
SF,CA

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
> 
> 
> My old school 10 speed bike ( allthough definitely too big for me) rides 
> better than some modern bikes. I don't know of it's the frame geometry or 
> components.  With a 42 up front and maybe 28 in the back i claimed hills with 
> less perceivable effort... Could it be the frame? Or the 10 speed? It weighs 
> as much as a fully fendered custom rando bike with bells and whistles. 
> 
> Any one weigh in on why my old 10 speed seems to glide? 
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[RBW] Old school 10 speed

[Sam Perez]

My old school 10 speed bike ( allthough definitely too big for me) rides
better than some modern bikes. I don't know of it's the frame geometry or
components.  With a 42 up front and maybe 28 in the back i claimed hills
with less perceivable effort... Could it be the frame? Or the 10 speed? It
weighs as much as a fully fendered custom rando bike with bells and
whistles.

Any one weigh in on why my old 10 speed seems to glide?

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for Front Der for Clem H?

[Ray]

Joe, don't give it a second thought. Your comment didn't read know-it-all 
to me in the slightest. I know you were just being helpful.

Mark, thank you for the encouragement. I am worried as you said that the 
best place to mound the derailleur is right where that boss is as it 
currently can make the shift but rubs slightly and so only needs to be a 
few millimeters higher. Still, I'll give it a shot after work tonight and 
see if that will be a good solution. Also, I fully agree about the band 
clamp being a pain. It took me several attempts to get it hooked and at one 
point the band shot across the room while I was trying to adjust tighten 
it...

Ray

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 7:49:13 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:

> Final word! That Exage is one of those derailleurs with the band clamp. I 
> have a Deore LX I think with that design, which I find to be a  pain. But 
> the good news is, no water bottle cage clearance issues. And it handles up 
> to a 48t ring, so you should be able to get it to work fine here.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. The
Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to own in
the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at the
moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options.

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta!

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:

> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little
> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>
> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem H
> when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My PBH
> is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice and
> smooth.
>
> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a
> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love
> (and a Homer).
>
> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops
> up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
>>
>> Hi there!
>>
>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my
>> boyfriend.
>>
>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking
>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this
>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so
>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own,
>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny
>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>
>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles
>> in this absurd bike boom.
>>
>> More bikes for the people!!
>> Coco
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Custom FS

[Patrick Moore]

Steve: That's a lovely bike; I'm curious why you are selling it? Curt
certainly did nice work.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:59 AM S. Greco  wrote:

> Bump for price drops
>
> Frame w/ Rack :
>
> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>
> $1650
>
>
> Frame w/ Rack & Paul Comp Bits :
>
> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>
> Paul Component Racer M (green anodized)
>
> Paul Component Skewers (green anodized)
>
> $2350
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:47:47 PM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:
>
>> 2000s Curt Goodrich Rivendell Custom  / Joe Bell Paint
>>
>> 58.5TT x 58.5ST (61.5 CTT)
>>
>> More photos available HERE
>> 
>>
>> [image: DSCF4439.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Frame w/ Rack :
>>
>> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>>
>> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>>
>> $1950
>>
>>
>> Frame w/ Rack & Paul Comp Bits :
>>
>> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>>
>> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>>
>> Paul Component Racer M (green anodized)
>>
>> Paul Component Skewers (green anodized)
>>
>> $2450
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll include a used Nitto S65 post, mainly to protect the seat cluster
>> lug during shipment.
>>
>> I'll also include a used Nitto Noodle / Technomic with cockpit for free
>> if anyone is interested.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[Robert Hakim]

I’ll echo what others have said already!... Wow! Gorgeous ride! 

I’m not sure that I would have had the courage to pick the green bar 
tape... I tend to be a “black or brown matches everything” kinda guy but I 
think that combination works swimmingly.

Hope you enjoy riding it as much as we enjoy ogling it!

Thanks for sharing.

Robert,
SLC,

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 4:27:21 AM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:

> Wow. Gorgeous bike. Funny to think that, in its day, this was considered 
> out there and wacky. Kinda like the Hillibikes of today. Of course for us 
> bicyclists that came of age during a certain time period, the classic lines 
> and beautiful lugwork of this bike will always look right, even with 26" 
> tires and cantilever brakes. 
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 1:42:41 PM UTC-5, John in PDX wrote:
>>
>> The All Rounder came to me from the original owner who had lots of 
>> documentation, ordered in 1995, delivered in January 1996.  Will continue 
>> to evolve components, working towards Shimano 8-speed index, enjoying the 
>> Gevenalle shifter pods.
>>
>> Hope this link works.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/v9nhn5sdHzvmHPM58
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How to alter a shimano bar pod to fit a microshift 11 speed shifter

[Pancake]

I added a thin strip of brass in the cable guide cutout of the lever. It is 
2mm wide and 1mm tall. It increases the cable pull overall. Alternative to 
cutting the limiting section of the bar pod.

This allows me to use a 9 speed microshift lever to shift a 10 speed SRAM 
derailleur across a 9 speed cassette. While it doesn't align for indexing, 
it works nicely for friction shifting on a 9 speed cassette using a 10 
speed SRAM GX derailleur. Happy to mail you one of the metal strips (I 
ordered extra) to experiment with. 

I have a long post about it in this group if you're interested. 

Abe

On Monday, 9 November 2020 at 08:10:06 UTC-8 jwhit...@gmail.com wrote:

> Heya! 
> Not the exact same, but I've modded a shimano dura-ace bar end to throw a 
> sram clutch 10speed through its full range. Required an extra 8mm of cable 
> throw if I remember correctly. I filled off the top just as you were 
> thinking. There doesn't appear to be any internal mechanism inhibiting the 
> throw, just the bar pod preventing the lever from moving further. I traced 
> out an outline with sharpie beforehand to get a nice flush curved finish, 
> doesn't even look like a mod. I've since seen people shave them for eagle 
> 12sp. 
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 12:38:03 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I've heard of people altering their bar end pods for wider range and I 
>> was curious how one goes about doing that. I've got some microshift 11 
>> speed bar ends but I want to lose the black pods in exchange for shimano's 
>> silver ones. 
>>
>> Looks like Roman accomplished it on his Hillborne: "Mark scalloped out a 
>> Shimano barpod to fit a 10-speed MTN Microshift thumbie and it all works 
>> perfectly." 
>>
>> My gut tells me I need to take a file to the top portion of the pod so 
>> the lever can get a further rotation...something like this:?
>> [image: Screenshot 2020-11-07 at 11.30.29 AM.png]
>>
>> Or maybe I'm lost. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd 
>> appreciate it! I'd also be curious to know if anyone has done this with 
>> their silver2 bar ends and if they'd pull an 11 speed cassette with this 
>> modification. 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Andrew
>>
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[RBW] new Google Groups question

[True Golden]

I can click on a riv list email subject line and be directed to Google groups 
to read...no problem.

Using same android phone ibob list insists I sign in b4 viewing.

Frustrating!!!

Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Re: cold weather winter riding tips

[Patrick Moore]

+1 .

I also learned when I had to ride across town to work on winter mornings at
temperatures occasionally below 20* that wicking and ventilation are most
important, especially if you sweat a lot. I'd get to work with my jersey
soaked, tho' the wool still insulated. I quickly found that any shell
without ventilation will make you sweat even on a very cold morning, and
that layers of wool keep you just as warm and much dryer. Tho' shells are
ok for =< 10 miles especially if they have pit zips.

Gloves: very important. I have a stackable system, starting with DeFeet
knit wool gloves, then lobster mitts, then a thick nylon shells to fit over
everything. I've not had to use more than the wool knits under the
lobsters, though.

Feet: 2 thin layers of wool; perhaps plastic bags over socks and under
shoes if it gets a bit colder (my feet don't seem to sweat and the plastic
does help a bit to block the wind); and for under 30*F, insulated riding
shoes. A cheaper alternative which I've tried is a cheap pair of summer
cycling shoes a size or 2 big that let you get layers of socks inside, and
Shoe Goo smeared over the mesh.

Don't wear tight shoes!

Ears: mine get cold. Baclavas, even better faux-Peruvian wool hats, (with
or without tassles), and last winter, a state trooper winter hat out of
Fargo, the movie. Thick nylon shell, plush lining, flaps that pull down and
fasten under chin, or else velcro up on top.

Getting back to shells: Can anyone recommend a full-zip, high-collar, thick
wool knit cycling jacket with sleeves cut long? Not a hoodie or a pullover.
If it has pockets in back or on the sides, all the better. Just knit wool,
no lining or outer shell.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 7:58 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> ...
> I'm a little cold right when I start, but warm up pretty quick once I
> start pedaling. That's the sweet spot...if you are not cold when you start,
> you're overdressed and you'll likely overheat and sweat a lot, which will
> make you cold and clammy.  If you never warm up, you're not wearing enough
> and you'll be uncomfortable the whole ride. I know I'm doing it right when
> I'm feeling fairly thermo-regulated on climbs and flats and a little chilly
> on descents and when I'm stopped at a light.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Custom FS

[S. Greco]

Bump for price drops

Frame w/ Rack :

Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB

Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)

$1650


Frame w/ Rack & Paul Comp Bits :

Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB

Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)

Paul Component Racer M (green anodized)

Paul Component Skewers (green anodized)

$2350
On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:47:47 PM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> 2000s Curt Goodrich Rivendell Custom  / Joe Bell Paint
>
> 58.5TT x 58.5ST (61.5 CTT)
>
> More photos available HERE 
> 
>
> [image: DSCF4439.jpeg]
>
>
> Frame w/ Rack :
>
> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>
> $1950
>
>
> Frame w/ Rack & Paul Comp Bits :
>
> Rivendell Custom Frame / Fork / Chris King HS / Phil Wood BB
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack (includes pannier supports)
>
> Paul Component Racer M (green anodized)
>
> Paul Component Skewers (green anodized)
>
> $2450
>
>
>
> I’ll include a used Nitto S65 post, mainly to protect the seat cluster lug 
> during shipment.
>
> I'll also include a used Nitto Noodle / Technomic with cockpit for free if 
> anyone is interested.
>

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[RBW] Re: cold weather winter riding tips

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

My favorite thing winter items are split finger mitts that allow for my 
pointer/middle and ring/pinky to have skin to skin contact. The split 
allows for good braking while holding tight to the bars. Also known as 
Lobster mitts. Everything else is just more clothes, but my hands...
-Kai

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 8:56:19 AM UTC-5 br...@onenaturellc.com 
wrote:

> I'm curious to know what old time riders used to do to ride in sub 40 
> degree f weather. I figure my fellow riv superfans here might have some 
> experiences to share. I'm writing from 12508 zip code. We often get a 
> precious few sunny hours mid-day when the temps slip into mid-thirties in 
> the winter and the heavily salted country roads are for the most part ice 
> free. For the record, I already tried this "zwift" thing and it isn't for 
> me ha ha.
>

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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[lconley]

I am talking about centerpulls, are you?:

[image: Capture.JPG]


Laing


On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 10:08:35 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Yes, they even come in colors on some of the BMX sites (though might be 
> rear only, so you would need to swap in some front bolts.)
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 9:10:00 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>> Dia Compe DC-750 are in production and available new (with allen bolts 
>> for the brake arm connection for a more modern appearance), and you can 
>> interchange some parts with DC-610s to install them with recessed nuts on 
>> the rear - the stock units can be installed recessed on the front.
>>
>> I have Dia Compe DC-610 front and DC-750 rear on my Riv Mystery Bike - 
>> similar to the Weinmann 610 front / 750 rear on one of my Paramount P-15s.
>>
>> You can also get GC-700 centerpulls that use post mounted brake shoes 
>> similar to Mafac / Rene Herse.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Mark Roland]

Yes, they even come in colors on some of the BMX sites (though might be 
rear only, so you would need to swap in some front bolts.)

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 9:10:00 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Dia Compe DC-750 are in production and available new (with allen bolts for 
> the brake arm connection for a more modern appearance), and you can 
> interchange some parts with DC-610s to install them with recessed nuts on 
> the rear - the stock units can be installed recessed on the front.
>
> I have Dia Compe DC-610 front and DC-750 rear on my Riv Mystery Bike - 
> similar to the Weinmann 610 front / 750 rear on one of my Paramount P-15s.
>
> You can also get GC-700 centerpulls that use post mounted brake shoes 
> similar to Mafac / Rene Herse.
>
> Laing
>
>
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: cold weather winter riding tips

[Ben Mihovk]

I can go as low as the upper teens (if the windchill is not down in single 
digits) on my work commute with the following items...

-base layer (top and bottom) that wicks moisture (wool is the best, but I 
have cheap Costco thermals that work ok)
-Normal work attire (khakis, button shirt)
-wool socks and liner gloves
-insulated leather mittens
-wool gaiter 
-thin wool beanie 
-light wind breaker

I'm a little cold right when I start, but warm up pretty quick once I start 
pedaling. That's the sweet spot...if you are not cold when you start, 
you're overdressed and you'll likely overheat and sweat a lot, which will 
make you cold and clammy.  If you never warm up, you're not wearing enough 
and you'll be uncomfortable the whole ride. I know I'm doing it right when 
I'm feeling fairly thermo-regulated on climbs and flats and a little chilly 
on descents and when I'm stopped at a light.


On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 7:56:19 AM UTC-6 br...@onenaturellc.com 
wrote:

> I'm curious to know what old time riders used to do to ride in sub 40 
> degree f weather. I figure my fellow riv superfans here might have some 
> experiences to share. I'm writing from 12508 zip code. We often get a 
> precious few sunny hours mid-day when the temps slip into mid-thirties in 
> the winter and the heavily salted country roads are for the most part ice 
> free. For the record, I already tried this "zwift" thing and it isn't for 
> me ha ha.
>

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[RBW] Re: cold weather winter riding tips

[Brian Campbell]

Fenders, lights, removable layers of clothing and a place to hold them on 
the bike. I am in SE PA

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 8:56:19 AM UTC-5 br...@onenaturellc.com 
wrote:

> I'm curious to know what old time riders used to do to ride in sub 40 
> degree f weather. I figure my fellow riv superfans here might have some 
> experiences to share. I'm writing from 12508 zip code. We often get a 
> precious few sunny hours mid-day when the temps slip into mid-thirties in 
> the winter and the heavily salted country roads are for the most part ice 
> free. For the record, I already tried this "zwift" thing and it isn't for 
> me ha ha.
>

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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[lconley]

Dia Compe DC-750 are in production and available new (with allen bolts for 
the brake arm connection for a more modern appearance), and you can 
interchange some parts with DC-610s to install them with recessed nuts on 
the rear - the stock units can be installed recessed on the front.

I have Dia Compe DC-610 front and DC-750 rear on my Riv Mystery Bike - 
similar to the Weinmann 610 front / 750 rear on one of my Paramount P-15s.

You can also get GC-700 centerpulls that use post mounted brake shoes 
similar to Mafac / Rene Herse.

Laing



>
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[RBW] cold weather winter riding tips

[br...@onenaturellc.com]

I'm curious to know what old time riders used to do to ride in sub 40 
degree f weather. I figure my fellow riv superfans here might have some 
experiences to share. I'm writing from 12508 zip code. We often get a 
precious few sunny hours mid-day when the temps slip into mid-thirties in 
the winter and the heavily salted country roads are for the most part ice 
free. For the record, I already tried this "zwift" thing and it isn't for 
me ha ha.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[ascpgh]

Different riders do different things to wheels, regardless of their weight, 
cargo loads and primary terrain. You could construct a perfectly adequate 
or overbuilt wheel set for some and they'd consume them in short order 
while others seem to glide through years before wear is enough to consider 
replacement.. 

 I remember pondering why certain customers should have a wheel build card 
good for a free tenth build after nine stamps. A light rider who rides like 
their wheels are the face of a hammer can eat a wheel set on road or off in 
no time but a rider who distributes both output and input energies 
carefully can baby a set of wheels for a very long time. There will always 
be that one time event that kills a wheel in a single strike. 

Unfortunately we all have to learn where we are on that spectrum by going 
too heavy or too light at some time. Going a bit strong at first may result 
in dreams of lighter wheels releasing from the bonds of physics but going 
light can leave you calling for a ride or worse.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 12:39:05 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I had to laugh at this. I'm not a heavyweight but I do weigh between 170 
> and 175 and often carry rear loads, but I've been using 19 mm (outside) 370 
> gram 559 rims both on and off road for decades (still have a stash: Sun 
> M14A) in 32 rear and 32 or 28 front; wheels never went out of true, and 
> only times I broke spokes was twice using Revolutions with aluminum nipples 
> to carry 35 lb rear loads on 22 mm tires; brass nipples and 14/15 gauge 
> fixed that. (I never got pinch flats either). I've used the same wheels off 
> road with some violence, with no problems. My 29er wheels are 32 spoke; no 
> out-of-true; and I never had out-of-true problems with lightish 622 road 
> rims on- or off-road. (Pressure is another puzzle. I put 90/80 in 23s, 
> 50-45 in 28s, 35-30 in 40s, and 18 to 21 in 60s.)
>
> OTOH, one of the nicest feeling wheelsets I ever rode was a many-owner 
> pair built around old 40 hole Campy Record hubs on a 1960s Paramount track 
> bike belonging to my brother (he was partly serious). Like butter and 
> perpetual motion.
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 8:21 AM Nathan F  wrote:
>
>> ... Wheels are a real sticking point for me because the general advice on 
>> here can be quite dated. When Riv-built Rivs come into the shop I work, 
>> they are frequently the most overbuilt bikes I've ever seen. We're talking 
>> a 100lb woman riding 36H touring wheels for riding in the city when they 
>> could easily, and safely, be on 24H cyclocross race wheels. Onetime someone 
>> had a bike that, again, they were just riding in the city (no loaded 
>> touring) with a 42H rear wheel. It's utter madness. Once you add in the 
>> propensity for Riv owners to ride terrible tires--I've been so happy to see 
>> Riv overhaul their tire program--these bikes end up not being as fun to 
>> ride as they should be.
>>
>>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Aspin - To cutout, or not to cutout?

[ascpgh]

+1 on the Rivet Pearl with cutout Nick!

I met and talked to Deb (the Rivetress) at the Philly Bike Expo last year 
and chose a Diablo for my new bike that was under way. The width looked 
precisely what  I needed after review of my B-17 and its sit bone 
impressions. I rode it for four months including two century rides, 
determining that I needed a bit longer fore and aft area of consistent 
width adequate for my sit bone spacing as I move while pedaling in a seated 
position on varying terrain. The Diabolo cantle shape limited that to the 
rear for me and adjustment of seat rail  position win the seat post clamp 
compensated for more forward movement but took me where the saddle narrowed 
to less than sit bone width. Had I picked Berthoud or Brooks, I too would 
have an extra hundred dollar saddle I liked 80% on my shelf. 

Rivet has a great warranty where if within 364 days it isn't right, they'll 
help you figure out the next move and trade you. The others don't do that 
and it was great it was to have that ability. You can't be too sure you 
don't pick a saddle with discrete bias or overzealous objectivity and Deb 
knows that as a long time rando and multiple P-B-P rider.  


Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 10:14:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Another option if you want an open leather saddle is the Rivet Pearl: 
> https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-pearl/. I have one of these, and 
> it's rather nicely made - the sides are joined underneath, to prevent them 
> splaying:
>
>
> 
>
>
> At 170mm wide it's slightly narrower than the B17 at 175mm but 
> considerably wider than the Aspin at 157mm.
>
> Nick
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