[RBW] Re: FS: Jack Brown & Stampede Pass Tires

[Richard Gitz]

Rene Herse Stampede Pass are SOLD!

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:02:21 PM UTC-8 Richard Gitz wrote:

> Two pairs of tires for sale:
>
> 1. Two Rivendell Jack Brown blues 700 X 33.5 $115.00 to your door.
>
> [image: P1020884.JPG]
>
> 2. Two Rene Herse Compass Stampede Pass tires standard casing 700 X 32, 
> $115.00 to your door.
>
> [image: P1020883.JPG]
> First come first served
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Blue 58 cm Appaloosa, Double TT Frameset

[R Olson]

This frameset has sold pending payment.



On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 2:02:09 PM UTC-7 R Olson wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I am selling my 58cm Blue Appa frameset with a double top tube.  It's the 
> 2nd iteration, the version just before the most current Appas.  Would be a 
> great winter project to get ready for spring/summer.  It has some beausage, 
> which you can see in the photos, but otherwise frame is in great condition, 
> no rust or dents.  I can take more photos if you would like as well.  It's 
> a great bike.  Comes with bottom bracket, headset and Nitto S83 seatpost.  
> Asking $800 net to me.  Buyer pays shipping.  I'm located in Denver, CO.
>  
>
> PBH range is 89 - 93.
>
> Geometry is bascally the same as the 57 in their geomtery chart, which can 
> be found here:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>
> Not sure if this will work, but here's a link with more photos:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8NwtndwuyLHTSzAe8
>
> [image: IMG_20201123_105914022.jpg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[The Snag]

Yes. It was quite the chore to put a dropper post on my Mtn mixte. Funny 
how that .4mm makes such a difference in options.

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
CA wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:38:51 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, well 
>> then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good gets, and 
>> I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim on my 
>> Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)
>
>
> While what you said about the Nitto S83 is arguably true, the OP was 
> lamenting that he couldn't use a suspension seatpost he likes that is only 
> available in the much more common 27.2mm size. No S83 is going to replace a 
> suspension seatpost if a suspension seatpost is what you want.
>
> Nevertheless, vintage U.S.E. suspension seatposts do occasionally become 
> available on eBay. I don't know if those are adequate replacements though.
>

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:38:51 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, well 
> then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good gets, and 
> I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim on my 
> Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)


While what you said about the Nitto S83 is arguably true, the OP was 
lamenting that he couldn't use a suspension seatpost he likes that is only 
available in the much more common 27.2mm size. No S83 is going to replace a 
suspension seatpost if a suspension seatpost is what you want.

Nevertheless, vintage U.S.E. suspension seatposts do occasionally become 
available on eBay. I don't know if those are adequate replacements though.

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:01:18 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> It would be a seat tube change and not the lug. Many tubes for are butted 
> internally so that lugs will fit multiple tube butt thicknesses. 
>
> 28.6mm x .9mm wall (26.8mm ID) vs .7mm (27.2mm ID). 
>

Does that mean one can ream it out to 27.2mm if one has the proper reamer?

FWIW, 26.8mm isn't that common anymore. I had to find one for a NOS Ritchey 
P-21 frame that a friend gifted me, and it was either some el cheapo thing, 
or pay through the nose for a NOS or like-new seatpost from the 90s. Yes, 
there are Thomsons and Nittos, but the Nittos are usually too short 
(because they're intended for road bikes), and the Thomsons are…well, if 
you have to ask why a Thomson doesn't belong on a Ritchey P-21…

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Jason Fuller]

I like 48cm Noodles a lot on the Hillborne, to me they suit the bike 
perfectly.  I like Albatross bars too but for me they need to be level with 
the saddle and I like the levers forward so the braking position is as far 
forward as possible. I'm curious to try Billie's with a really long stem, 
but the Sam isn't a long enough bike for them to work for me  

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, well 
then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good gets, and 
I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim on my 
Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)
-Kai
*not quite evil, but very close, certainly not as bad as 26.8

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:55:20 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> I sure wish Riv hadn't changed the seat post diameter from 27.2mm to 
> 26.8mm on their frames. Doing so really limits the available seat post 
> options.  One particular suspension seat post I use is only available in 
> 27.2mm.  Baffles me why Riv chose to do that.  Glad I got my Hillborne 
> before the change, but rules out an Appaloosa as my next bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Joel Stern]

Nicely done. Have you given that Albatross a good try? I just changed mine
on one bike to Choco but it is too cold here to give them a test ride.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 8:38 PM i  wrote:

> I guess I should post my hillborne
> I hate the albatross bars actually. not for me. going with drops. got some
> really nice aluminum ones for sale if someone wants em, maybe..might put
> them on the MB1 and see how that goes.
> https://imgur.com/EWuiFri
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:49:54 PM UTC-5 Ray wrote:
>
>> Mike, that's the perfect backdrop for that Sam. All the colors just look
>> great. Well done.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:21:04 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> That's a heck of a unique build and the best bar / chainstay wrapping
>>> I've seen in a good while. This build will be hard to beat for the batch of
>>> Sam's!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: NITTO S83, Continental Tires, Carradice Bag

[Brian Campbell]

Hi. I would like the saddle bag.

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:15:16 PM UTC-5 RDS wrote:

> See pics at link 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:14:20 PM UTC-5 RDS wrote:
>
>> For sale .. ships from Georgia zip 30040:
>>
>> *Nitto S83 Seatpost* .. 26.8 and I think is the shorter one at 250mm .. 
>> This is the seat post that came  new w/ my Gus and I have not used it, so 
>> it is new to my knowledge.  Riv sells them for $118, I'll ask $100 + 
>> shipping.
>>
>> *Continental Contact Tires* 700 x 32, lots of tread left, in good 
>> condition, wire bead, reflective strip.  $15 + shipping
>>
>> *Carradice Bag* -- I believe they refer to this bag as the "*Lightweight 
>> Audax Saddlebag Black*".  See link for details.  
>> https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/lightweight-audax-saddlebag-black-cordura
>> I'll ask $25 + shipping.
>>
>> Contact off list.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW Caught in YouTube Video

[David Person]

I meant to add that the visit to RBW is at about the 11 minute mark, though 
I hope you'll watch the whole video.

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:02:49 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> One of the YouTube channels that I follow (subscribe to) is one called 
> Henrywildeberry.  He's a YouTuber in Northern California that does a tone 
> of bikey video, along with some melodramatic acting.  Thankfully, not too 
> much of the later.  The latest video he posted is about his girlfriend 
> (best I can tell from watch most all his videos) getting a custom frame and 
> then stopping by Rivendell Bicycle Works to pick up a pair of Silver 
> shifters.  I would encourage any of you who seeing some cycling through a 
> beautiful part of the country to check out the content on Henry's YouTube 
> channel.  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPBZW0G7tE=703s
>   
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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[David Person]

Sure is a shame.  

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:01:18 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> It would be a seat tube change and not the lug. Many tubes for are butted 
> internally so that lugs will fit multiple tube butt thicknesses. 
>
> 28.6mm x .9mm wall (26.8mm ID) vs .7mm (27.2mm ID). 
>
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 4:43:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Or available lugs. I don't know how any of this works but all the new Riv 
>> frames with a regular high tobtube (diamond frame) get the same seat lug 
>> now, I suspect it has something to do with the narrower diameter seattube. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 4:28:45 PM UTC-8 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why, I guess I missed that one. Someone more knowledgeable 
>>> probably knows why, something to do with available tubing maybe? 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:55:20 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>>
 I sure wish Riv hadn't changed the seat post diameter from 27.2mm to 
 26.8mm on their frames. Doing so really limits the available seat post 
 options.  One particular suspension seat post I use is only available in 
 27.2mm.  Baffles me why Riv chose to do that.  Glad I got my Hillborne 
 before the change, but rules out an Appaloosa as my next bike.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] RBW Caught in YouTube Video

[David Person]

One of the YouTube channels that I follow (subscribe to) is one called 
Henrywildeberry.  He's a YouTuber in Northern California that does a tone 
of bikey video, along with some melodramatic acting.  Thankfully, not too 
much of the later.  The latest video he posted is about his girlfriend 
(best I can tell from watch most all his videos) getting a custom frame and 
then stopping by Rivendell Bicycle Works to pick up a pair of Silver 
shifters.  I would encourage any of you who seeing some cycling through a 
beautiful part of the country to check out the content on Henry's YouTube 
channel.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPBZW0G7tE=703s
  

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[christian poppell]

It would be a seat tube change and not the lug. Many tubes for are butted 
internally so that lugs will fit multiple tube butt thicknesses. 

28.6mm x .9mm wall (26.8mm ID) vs .7mm (27.2mm ID). 

Christian
Berkeley, CA
On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 4:43:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Or available lugs. I don't know how any of this works but all the new Riv 
> frames with a regular high tobtube (diamond frame) get the same seat lug 
> now, I suspect it has something to do with the narrower diameter seattube. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 4:28:45 PM UTC-8 Mark Schneider wrote:
>
>> I wonder why, I guess I missed that one. Someone more knowledgeable 
>> probably knows why, something to do with available tubing maybe? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:55:20 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> I sure wish Riv hadn't changed the seat post diameter from 27.2mm to 
>>> 26.8mm on their frames. Doing so really limits the available seat post 
>>> options.  One particular suspension seat post I use is only available in 
>>> 27.2mm.  Baffles me why Riv chose to do that.  Glad I got my Hillborne 
>>> before the change, but rules out an Appaloosa as my next bike.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford RS-33 62x58.5 Road-Sport Frameset

[Paul Brodek]

 Found a home for this, thanks for all the interest!

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA


On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:16:15 PM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Still looking for a new home, price drop for potential adopters:
> $675 shipped conti USA, $625 pickup NYC
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:08:58 PM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Found the frame specs/diagram for this. Second image is just the frame 
>> diagram enlarged for tired eyes.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> [image: 50603524307_61fc73e959_c.jpg][image: 
>> 50603401611_ea1598098a_c.jpg]
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:17:48 PM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> Waterford RS-33 62x58.5 Frameset, w/W'ford Fork: $725 shipped conti USA, 
>>> $675 pickup NYC metro on Jersey side of Hudson; paypal goods/services 
>>> payment
>>>
>>> Though this isn't exactly in the ibob/RBW wheelhouse, it is fully steel, 
>>> and I know there are some folks here whose interest in iron extends towards 
>>> the bleeding edge.
>>>
>>> The 33-series uses oversized shaped/profiled True Temper S3 tubing, 
>>> making for a very light and responsive steel frame. W'ford currently 
>>> showcases the R-33 as a high-performance race bike, but the RS-33 
>>> designation means this was custom-built for road-sport use, so the 
>>> wheelbase is a little longer, angles likely a little slacker, and most 
>>> importantly, it'll fit 30mm actual-width 700c tires under 39-49mm calipers.
>>>
>>> It's also got a slightly sloping top tube and tall head tube, so it's 
>>> easier getting closer to an unracer handlebar height without pushing 
>>> standover higher.
>>>
>>> The frame was built in '05 for a shop employee who quit without paying 
>>> for it. It then sat in the shop till I got it in '10 or so. It came with an 
>>> Alpha-Q fork, but I wanted more clearance up front, and steel i/o carbon, 
>>> so I had W'ford build me a matching steel fork.
>>>
>>> The employee who bailed was named Colby, so we're treated with his 
>>> nom-de-huh "Colbzilla" on the top tube. 
>>>
>>> So you're looking at an older, but near-new frameset, built with what's 
>>> still cutting-edge steel technology, but with some "classic" features. 
>>> Meaning rim brakes, dt shifter bosses, no discs, no thru-axles, no weird bb 
>>> standard. Crikeys, it's even got a pump peg!
>>>
>>> It's a bit tall/long for me, 62cm c-c st x 58.5cm c-c tt. Somehow the 
>>> classic "fistful of post" works visually for me better on something like a 
>>> '72 Hetchins than a modern wundersteel frame. Between the sizing and me 
>>> kinda not feeling worthy of what the frame can do, it was one of my 
>>> least-ridden steeds, not more than 1k miles since I got it.
>>>
>>> We had our sayonara ride recently, and maybe it was just that last 
>>> break-up sex thing, but it was a great ride. Fast, solid, responsive, 
>>> nothing noodly, but with 30mm tires it was nothing near bone-shaking, 
>>> either. Note that the bb drop is a substantial 80mm, so there's a reason it 
>>> feels so grounded.
>>>
>>> No dents, dings, scrapes or other impact damage. There is some 
>>> chippendale action at some of the component contact points, visible in the 
>>> pix, notably the drive-side bb shell outer edge, top of the seat lug and 
>>> the rear brake bridge.
>>>
>>> It was at 17.5lbs in its final build, shown below, with the only carbon 
>>> being the SRAM Red crankset, a Specialized carbon-railed Toupe, and I guess 
>>> the Red brifter lever blades. That was a 1x build, so it'd be closer to 
>>> 18lbs with a double/fder. 
>>>
>>> Current pricing on R-33 frames, with a matching W'ford steel fork, would 
>>> be close to $3k. The W'ford builds are all custom, so you could spec an 
>>> RS-33 build if you wanted new. 
>>>
>>> I have a copy of the W'ford Frame Detail sheet, which I'll attach. The 
>>> angles/dims below are mine, with the official dims from W'ford in (). I've 
>>> also added some standover actual dims to account for the slightly sloping 
>>> top tube.
>>>
>>> And though the last thing I want is to over-complicate and add drama, 
>>> it's worth noting that the Frame Details specify no tt slope and clearance 
>>> for 700x25c tires. But the tt clearly slopes, and the frame clearly fits 
>>> wider tires. The tt slope seems like too big a detail to miss, all the tube 
>>> cuts/miters would change going from level to slope, so I can only assume 
>>> the buyer changed that but the detail sheet didn't get updated. Not sure 
>>> what to think about the tire clearance, which is mostly having enough brake 
>>> shoe drop for crown/bridge clearance and keeping enough width between the 
>>> blades/stays for side clearance. The brake shoes on the RS-33 are close to 
>>> rock-bottom, and there's no crowding on the sides with 30mm tires. So 
>>> either they read "25c clearance" and figured they'd give more since it's a 
>>> Road-Sport design, or the buyer tweaked that spec as well. Sheesh. 
>>>
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[i]

I guess I should post my hillborne
I hate the albatross bars actually. not for me. going with drops. got some 
really nice aluminum ones for sale if someone wants em, maybe..might put 
them on the MB1 and see how that goes.
https://imgur.com/EWuiFri
On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:49:54 PM UTC-5 Ray wrote:

> Mike, that's the perfect backdrop for that Sam. All the colors just look 
> great. Well done.
>
> Ray
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:21:04 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> That's a heck of a unique build and the best bar / chainstay wrapping 
>> I've seen in a good while. This build will be hard to beat for the batch of 
>> Sam's!  
>
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[RBW] FS: 62 cm Sam Hilborne FFHS $1100 plus Shipping

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Anyone who missed out on the 60 cm Sam's who would like a classic looking 
double top tubbed 62 cm in good condition.  I have the frame you can be 
thankful for or gift to yourself to try to incorporate some happiness into 
the conclusion of your 2020.  

Contact me for pictures! (616)928-4226

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson 
West Michigan 

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Joe Bernard]

Or available lugs. I don't know how any of this works but all the new Riv 
frames with a regular high tobtube (diamond frame) get the same seat lug 
now, I suspect it has something to do with the narrower diameter seattube. 

Joe Bernard

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 4:28:45 PM UTC-8 Mark Schneider wrote:

> I wonder why, I guess I missed that one. Someone more knowledgeable 
> probably knows why, something to do with available tubing maybe? 
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:55:20 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>
>> I sure wish Riv hadn't changed the seat post diameter from 27.2mm to 
>> 26.8mm on their frames. Doing so really limits the available seat post 
>> options.  One particular suspension seat post I use is only available in 
>> 27.2mm.  Baffles me why Riv chose to do that.  Glad I got my Hillborne 
>> before the change, but rules out an Appaloosa as my next bike.
>
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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Mark Schneider]

I wonder why, I guess I missed that one. Someone more knowledgeable 
probably knows why, something to do with available tubing maybe? 

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:55:20 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> I sure wish Riv hadn't changed the seat post diameter from 27.2mm to 
> 26.8mm on their frames. Doing so really limits the available seat post 
> options.  One particular suspension seat post I use is only available in 
> 27.2mm.  Baffles me why Riv chose to do that.  Glad I got my Hillborne 
> before the change, but rules out an Appaloosa as my next bike.

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: NITTO S83, Continental Tires, Carradice Bag

[RDS]

See pics at 
link 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:14:20 PM UTC-5 RDS wrote:

> For sale .. ships from Georgia zip 30040:
>
> *Nitto S83 Seatpost* .. 26.8 and I think is the shorter one at 250mm .. 
> This is the seat post that came  new w/ my Gus and I have not used it, so 
> it is new to my knowledge.  Riv sells them for $118, I'll ask $100 + 
> shipping.
>
> *Continental Contact Tires* 700 x 32, lots of tread left, in good 
> condition, wire bead, reflective strip.  $15 + shipping
>
> *Carradice Bag* -- I believe they refer to this bag as the "*Lightweight 
> Audax Saddlebag Black*".  See link for details.  
> https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/lightweight-audax-saddlebag-black-cordura
> I'll ask $25 + shipping.
>
> Contact off list.
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[RBW] FOR SALE: NITTO S83, Continental Tires, Carradice Bag

[RDS]

For sale .. ships from Georgia zip 30040:

*Nitto S83 Seatpost* .. 26.8 and I think is the shorter one at 250mm .. 
This is the seat post that came  new w/ my Gus and I have not used it, so 
it is new to my knowledge.  Riv sells them for $118, I'll ask $100 + 
shipping.

*Continental Contact Tires* 700 x 32, lots of tread left, in good 
condition, wire bead, reflective strip.  $15 + shipping

*Carradice Bag* -- I believe they refer to this bag as the "*Lightweight 
Audax Saddlebag Black*".  See link for details.  
https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags/lightweight-audax-saddlebag-black-cordura
I'll ask $25 + shipping.

Contact off list.

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[RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[David Person]

I sure wish Riv hadn't changed the seat post diameter from 27.2mm to 26.8mm 
on their frames. Doing so really limits the available seat post options. 
 One particular suspension seat post I use is only available in 27.2mm. 
 Baffles me why Riv chose to do that.  Glad I got my Hillborne before the 
change, but rules out an Appaloosa as my next bike.

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[RBW] Re: (Near) apotheosis of Monocog 29er: Rivendellish, if not a Rivendell or even Rivendellian

[David Person]

Here, here!

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 2:47:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> PLATYPUS TOMORROW!!! I cannot WAIT to see all this Raspberry Metallic 
> goodness. 
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: (Near) apotheosis of Monocog 29er: Rivendellish, if not a Rivendell or even Rivendellian

[Joe Bernard]

PLATYPUS TOMORROW!!! I cannot WAIT to see all this Raspberry Metallic 
goodness. 



On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 2:27:56 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> The only Riv content in this post is Leah’s Platypus. Which, incidentally, 
> is supposed to be ready at the bike shop TOMORROW.
>
> !!
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Riv content: steel, simple and no-nonsense; traded Curt Goodrich Riv Road 
>> for it; but mainly that this bike really does encourage "just ride."
>>
>> I say "near" because I am still fettling the bar and stem (or perhaps 
>> just faffing about with bar and stem), but it's almost sorted. A nice 
>> bosque ride today, and what a transformation from the first ride where 
>> everything, everything felt wrong. Now, the fat WTB Rangers float very 
>> nicely over sand and roll very surprisingly well on pavement; the saddle is 
>> shoved all the way back and the titanium rails nicely absorb small bumps; 
>> the bar is fully 6" narrower, 2 cm closer, and angled 7* more upward than 
>> before; the (forgot make and model) cable discs stop firmly, if rather 
>> abruptly; and the gearing, at 32 X 15 X 30.5", or 65", is just right for 
>> dry conditions -- I just bought a 16 t in case I need to gear down to 61" 
>> for snow and sand. And I very easily and quickly drove a star nut into the 
>> bottom of the steerer as a mount to which to bolt the front fender. (The 
>> rear straps on.)
>>
>> But no, it's not as pretty as Leah's Platypus (when will we see that in 
>> all its glory?).
>>
>> Bad and very rushed photo of local wildlife: 2 very short and stocky and 
>> hairy ponies in someone's backyard. A dog walker wished to go by but had 
>> stopped and waited to maintain distance, and I did not want to delay him.
>>
>> -- 
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jason,
I think I have one for you if you have not already landed one!  Tried 
sending a PM but ...(who knows)

Ryan Hankinson
Muskegon, MI 49445

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings , looking for a Nitto Chocomoose (not norm) to buy.
> Used in decent shape is fine
> If anyone is sitting on one , let me know
> Thanks 
> JS
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Re: [RBW] Re: (Near) apotheosis of Monocog 29er: Rivendellish, if not a Rivendell or even Rivendellian

[Patrick Moore]

I don't want to debate, I just want to insist.

I hope no one is silly enough to think I am really being serious?

Patrick "just want to beat Leah" Moore

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick you do not want to turn this into a debate with Leah and the list
> members whether "that thing" you procured with the trade or sale of a
> genuine Rivendell qualifies as Rivendellian because it motivates you to
> just ride!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:36:46 PM UTC-5 Abcyclehank wrote:
>
>> Yeah Finally something to be thankful for in 2020!  RivSister #1 is
>> finally getting her Raspberry Platypus for to complete the last 200 miles
>> of second goal of the tragic year!  (3000 total miles!)
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> The only Riv content in this post is Leah’s Platypus. Which,
>>> incidentally, is supposed to be ready at the bike shop TOMORROW.
>>>
>>> !!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Riv content: steel, simple and no-nonsense; traded Curt Goodrich Riv
 Road for it; but mainly that this bike really does encourage "just ride."

 I say "near" because I am still fettling the bar and stem (or perhaps
 just faffing about with bar and stem), but it's almost sorted. A nice
 bosque ride today, and what a transformation from the first ride where
 everything, everything felt wrong. Now, the fat WTB Rangers float very
 nicely over sand and roll very surprisingly well on pavement; the saddle is
 shoved all the way back and the titanium rails nicely absorb small bumps;
 the bar is fully 6" narrower, 2 cm closer, and angled 7* more upward than
 before; the (forgot make and model) cable discs stop firmly, if rather
 abruptly; and the gearing, at 32 X 15 X 30.5", or 65", is just right for
 dry conditions -- I just bought a 16 t in case I need to gear down to 61"
 for snow and sand. And I very easily and quickly drove a star nut into the
 bottom of the steerer as a mount to which to bolt the front fender. (The
 rear straps on.)

 But no, it's not as pretty as Leah's Platypus (when will we see that in
 all its glory?).

 Bad and very rushed photo of local wildlife: 2 very short and stocky
 and hairy ponies in someone's backyard. A dog walker wished to go by but
 had stopped and waited to maintain distance, and I did not want to delay
 him.

 --

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Re: [RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Patrick Moore]

Jim: Once again, thanks for curating this list.

More generally, this is an active thread on the RBW, IBob, and CR lists.
Me, gmail and list traffic -- RBW, IBob, CR -- is behaving on my 2 Macs and
my iPhone just as it has been doing for the last10 or 15 years; I guess I
don't really want to know what I'm missing.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 1:56 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> I will say that even in the past 2 or 3 weeks there have been a lot of
> changes (most for the better) to the new Google Groups format.
> They've made a few management things easier, which I like, but have some
> other new aspects which cause issues.
>
> At this time, I have no plans to try to migrate this group elsewhere.
>
> As with everything google-ish, things will be iterated to address
> problems. Commenting here is good for solutions you have found or other
> workarounds , but *please make sure you are providing feedback* *to
> google *if you are seeing issues.  On the desktop version, there is a
> specific tool at the very top of your browser tab window. Please use that -
> they do actually respond and address reported issues.
>
> Screenshot attached.
>
> Be well, stay safe!
>
> - Jim / admin
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 3:25:12 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>
>> Apparently the classic format is now history.  My question is:  Is there
>> any indicator as to which posts are updated or new?  In the classic format,
>> new & updated posts were bolded.  Hopefully it's just these old eyes
>> missing something obvious, but I don't see any way to see the difference.
>> Does anyone know or see some indicator that I'm missing?
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> Doug peterson
>>
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[RBW] Re: (Near) apotheosis of Monocog 29er: Rivendellish, if not a Rivendell or even Rivendellian

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick you do not want to turn this into a debate with Leah and the list 
members whether "that thing" you procured with the trade or sale of a 
genuine Rivendell qualifies as Rivendellian because it motivates you to 
just ride!

Ryan

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:36:46 PM UTC-5 Abcyclehank wrote:

> Yeah Finally something to be thankful for in 2020!  RivSister #1 is 
> finally getting her Raspberry Platypus for to complete the last 200 miles 
> of second goal of the tragic year!  (3000 total miles!)
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> The only Riv content in this post is Leah’s Platypus. Which, 
>> incidentally, is supposed to be ready at the bike shop TOMORROW.
>>
>> !!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Riv content: steel, simple and no-nonsense; traded Curt Goodrich Riv 
>>> Road for it; but mainly that this bike really does encourage "just ride."
>>>
>>> I say "near" because I am still fettling the bar and stem (or perhaps 
>>> just faffing about with bar and stem), but it's almost sorted. A nice 
>>> bosque ride today, and what a transformation from the first ride where 
>>> everything, everything felt wrong. Now, the fat WTB Rangers float very 
>>> nicely over sand and roll very surprisingly well on pavement; the saddle is 
>>> shoved all the way back and the titanium rails nicely absorb small bumps; 
>>> the bar is fully 6" narrower, 2 cm closer, and angled 7* more upward than 
>>> before; the (forgot make and model) cable discs stop firmly, if rather 
>>> abruptly; and the gearing, at 32 X 15 X 30.5", or 65", is just right for 
>>> dry conditions -- I just bought a 16 t in case I need to gear down to 61" 
>>> for snow and sand. And I very easily and quickly drove a star nut into the 
>>> bottom of the steerer as a mount to which to bolt the front fender. (The 
>>> rear straps on.)
>>>
>>> But no, it's not as pretty as Leah's Platypus (when will we see that in 
>>> all its glory?).
>>>
>>> Bad and very rushed photo of local wildlife: 2 very short and stocky and 
>>> hairy ponies in someone's backyard. A dog walker wished to go by but had 
>>> stopped and waited to maintain distance, and I did not want to delay him.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: (Near) apotheosis of Monocog 29er: Rivendellish, if not a Rivendell or even Rivendellian

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah Finally something to be thankful for in 2020!  RivSister #1 is finally 
getting her Raspberry Platypus for to complete the last 200 miles of second 
goal of the tragic year!  (3000 total miles!)

Ryan

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> The only Riv content in this post is Leah’s Platypus. Which, incidentally, 
> is supposed to be ready at the bike shop TOMORROW.
>
> !!
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Riv content: steel, simple and no-nonsense; traded Curt Goodrich Riv Road 
>> for it; but mainly that this bike really does encourage "just ride."
>>
>> I say "near" because I am still fettling the bar and stem (or perhaps 
>> just faffing about with bar and stem), but it's almost sorted. A nice 
>> bosque ride today, and what a transformation from the first ride where 
>> everything, everything felt wrong. Now, the fat WTB Rangers float very 
>> nicely over sand and roll very surprisingly well on pavement; the saddle is 
>> shoved all the way back and the titanium rails nicely absorb small bumps; 
>> the bar is fully 6" narrower, 2 cm closer, and angled 7* more upward than 
>> before; the (forgot make and model) cable discs stop firmly, if rather 
>> abruptly; and the gearing, at 32 X 15 X 30.5", or 65", is just right for 
>> dry conditions -- I just bought a 16 t in case I need to gear down to 61" 
>> for snow and sand. And I very easily and quickly drove a star nut into the 
>> bottom of the steerer as a mount to which to bolt the front fender. (The 
>> rear straps on.)
>>
>> But no, it's not as pretty as Leah's Platypus (when will we see that in 
>> all its glory?).
>>
>> Bad and very rushed photo of local wildlife: 2 very short and stocky and 
>> hairy ponies in someone's backyard. A dog walker wished to go by but had 
>> stopped and waited to maintain distance, and I did not want to delay him.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: (Near) apotheosis of Monocog 29er: Rivendellish, if not a Rivendell or even Rivendellian

[Patrick Moore]

I DENY your assertion.

And your Platypus is not even an actual Rivendell if it is still
undelivered. It is an hypothesis only.

Patrick Moore, pitting his ACTUAL, and very Rivendellish Monocog against a
merely hypothetical Platypus (and who looks forward to seeing photos of the
ACTUAL Platypus if it really exists).

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 3:27 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The only Riv content in this post is Leah’s Platypus. Which, incidentally,
> is supposed to be ready at the bike shop TOMORROW.
>
> !!
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Riv content: steel, simple and no-nonsense; traded Curt Goodrich Riv Road
>> for it; but mainly that this bike really does encourage "just ride."
>>
>> I say "near" because I am still fettling the bar and stem (or perhaps
>> just faffing about with bar and stem), but it's almost sorted. A nice
>> bosque ride today, and what a transformation from the first ride where
>> everything, everything felt wrong. Now, the fat WTB Rangers float very
>> nicely over sand and roll very surprisingly well on pavement; the saddle is
>> shoved all the way back and the titanium rails nicely absorb small bumps;
>> the bar is fully 6" narrower, 2 cm closer, and angled 7* more upward than
>> before; the (forgot make and model) cable discs stop firmly, if rather
>> abruptly; and the gearing, at 32 X 15 X 30.5", or 65", is just right for
>> dry conditions -- I just bought a 16 t in case I need to gear down to 61"
>> for snow and sand. And I very easily and quickly drove a star nut into the
>> bottom of the steerer as a mount to which to bolt the front fender. (The
>> rear straps on.)
>>
>> But no, it's not as pretty as Leah's Platypus (when will we see that in
>> all its glory?).
>>
>> Bad and very rushed photo of local wildlife: 2 very short and stocky and
>> hairy ponies in someone's backyard. A dog walker wished to go by but had
>> stopped and waited to maintain distance, and I did not want to delay him.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for all the comments. I'll make a few more of my own.

I understood from the early official pronouncements (basically many
repeated news stories of health officials' and government officials'
declarations on the matter) that cloth masks are meant to keep your
infection off of others, and that they do little to filter out others
infection from you. I've been acting on the assumption that this is true;
iow, I put on mask for others; to protect myself, I keep my distance from
others, wash hands, etc.

I rode today, mildly, and used my mask more than I have before because of
the number of pedestrians on the bosque routes. My mask (in this case; I
have others) is one shaped to cover the nose, with wire stiffener over
nose, made from 2 layers of thin cloth. When I wear it as designed, that is
close to face and about 1/2" above nose and ~1/2" below chin, each breath,
even when standing still, flattens cloth against nostrils or mouth, and
each breath clouds glasses. My other masks do the same.

On today's ride, I set it as firmly as I could behind ears, then pulled it
down so it was below nose but over mouth: this fixed the clouding, and let
me breath freely during modest exertion, but even a slight increase in
exertion -- sand patch, turn into wind -- had the cloth flattening against
my mouth (again, nose free). I could fix this by jutting my jaw to push
mask away.

Both of the 2 masks with "behind the ear" loop design (the other ties
behind head) tend to disengage from ears when you pull them down; at least
on my head.

Upshot: I will continue to use a mask for others, when in the presence of
others; I will devise some way of keeping the loops behind ears when mask
is pulled down below nose -- probably by attaching elastic to the ear loops
to strap everything behind my head; and I will keep the mask at half-mast
or even below chin when solo, but pull it up quickly when in others'
presence.

I believe there may be good reasons for masks. I am also quite open to the
possibility that they're not worth shit. From what I read, the weight is
equal on both sides of the scale, and there is more than ample evidence of
well-meaning officials causing upheaval in their attempts to preserve the
social order (Nisei internment during WWII, etc.). But I'll give
officialdom the benefit of the doubt; and I will continue to accommodate
others, assuming they will be more at ease if when I am nearby I am in a
mask. Who knows, perhaps others wearing masks is the reason I'm not sick
myself.

The mask question is really very much like the helmet question, but I don't
indulge others' preferences by wearing a helmet unless I ride with a group
that demands them (this is rarely).

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:10 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Can anyone suggest one, preferably one that is easy on/off, or at least
> easy to slip down when solitary and up when in public? I've been using
> basic cloth masks and (1) they're suffocating under any exertion, (2) they
> fog my shades, (3) the ear loops detach easily from your ears, so slipping
> them down often pulls them off.
>
> I am quite prepared to learn that the entire official protocol for
> infection avoidance is bunkum, and I am heartily disposed to believe that
> my political leaders are both inept and corrupt, or at least driven
> principally by self interest, but the situation is serious enough that I am
> willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wear masks around others,
> especially since some others seem panicky if you don't.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: (Near) apotheosis of Monocog 29er: Rivendellish, if not a Rivendell or even Rivendellian

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

The only Riv content in this post is Leah’s Platypus. Which, incidentally, 
is supposed to be ready at the bike shop TOMORROW.

!!
Leah

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:08:58 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Riv content: steel, simple and no-nonsense; traded Curt Goodrich Riv Road 
> for it; but mainly that this bike really does encourage "just ride."
>
> I say "near" because I am still fettling the bar and stem (or perhaps just 
> faffing about with bar and stem), but it's almost sorted. A nice bosque 
> ride today, and what a transformation from the first ride where everything, 
> everything felt wrong. Now, the fat WTB Rangers float very nicely over sand 
> and roll very surprisingly well on pavement; the saddle is shoved all the 
> way back and the titanium rails nicely absorb small bumps; the bar is fully 
> 6" narrower, 2 cm closer, and angled 7* more upward than before; the 
> (forgot make and model) cable discs stop firmly, if rather abruptly; and 
> the gearing, at 32 X 15 X 30.5", or 65", is just right for dry conditions 
> -- I just bought a 16 t in case I need to gear down to 61" for snow and 
> sand. And I very easily and quickly drove a star nut into the bottom of the 
> steerer as a mount to which to bolt the front fender. (The rear straps on.)
>
> But no, it's not as pretty as Leah's Platypus (when will we see that in 
> all its glory?).
>
> Bad and very rushed photo of local wildlife: 2 very short and stocky and 
> hairy ponies in someone's backyard. A dog walker wished to go by but had 
> stopped and waited to maintain distance, and I did not want to delay him.
>
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[RBW] CLAIMED [Free 1.25", 31.8mm, 11 cm, 10* stem]

[Patrick Moore]

The stem has been claimed.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I had asked for a shorter replacement, and good thing I didn't fine one
> because I later realized I had a 9 cm, 17* one in my parts box. It's a $90
> high-end Ritchey, so putting it on the Monocog is like dressing a pig up in
> Chanel, or at least Jos Banks,* but it certainly does make the bike fit
> better, and I don't need it for something else, so that's what counts.
>
> Please take only if you will use.
>
> Send me your mailing address. I'll pay postage. CONUS only, I'm afraid. Be
> prepared to wait.
>
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[RBW] Re: Black hole of mixing Campagnolo and Shimano

[Richard Borneman]

I have a couple bikes set up with Campy pre-2001 "pointy" levers and 
Shimano drivetrain and #4 Shiftmate. Works great. The Campy levers are much 
better than the Shimanos.
 Richard Borneman

On Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 6:18:55 PM UTC-5 Tom Matchak wrote:

> I recently did a Shimano/Campy blend on one of my personal bikes that I 
> was selling to a friend on the condition that I could drop in a set of 
> Centaur brifters onto a bike that had a 9-sp Dura Ace drivetrain and 
> bar-end shift levers. Using a Shiftmate adapter, it turned out great, and 
> he says that it shifts better than his other all-Campy bike.
>
> There was, however, a moment of doubt when we first got everything hooked 
> up and tried out the Centaur lever. Couldn't get more than 2 or 3 good cog 
> jumps in a row before the shifting would start to fail to hit the mark. My 
> friend had been super careful to source the proper model of the Shiftmate 
> adapter, but the actual unit that he received had absolutely no markings to 
> identify the model number. So, with two engineers standing there looking at 
> a stalled-out experiment, I did what I was trained to do. I took off the 
> Shiftmate, removed the little pulley, turned it around and put the pulley 
> in backwards, reattached the Shiftmate unit, and .. it worked perfect!  
> It seems that a single pulley can produce two complimentary factors on 
> either side of neutral, like multiplying cable pull by 0.95 or 1.05, 
> depending on how it is positioned in the greater Shiftmate housing. It's 
> likely that this was an assembly error at the factory, but putting an 
> identifying mark on the critical component would help the QC function.
>
> So yeah, it all worked out great. But, if you have a problem, check that 
> little pulley.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom Matchak
> Glen, NH
>
> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 2:52:46 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>
>> Hey all, hoping to tap your collective knowledge on this topic. I have a 
>> pretty standard Albatross-Riv-Shimano set up on my Sam (Deore RD, Tiagra 
>> FD, 11-36 9 speed cassette with Sugino triple up front, Microshift 9 speed 
>> bar end shifters) and am *exploring *the idea of converting to drop bars 
>> and using 9 speed Campagnolo Centaur shifters (since I love the way these 
>> look and feel), potentially using a JTek Shiftmate 3. 
>>
>> It sounds simple, but as with most things, I imagine it's not as simple 
>> as it sounds. Before I start getting parts together for this mess, would 
>> love to know if anyone feels strongly about this working well together, not 
>> working well together, or if it's not worth the hassle and I just stick 
>> with my Microshift bar ends on the drops. I figured that it would be nice 
>> to keep the whole upright stem-handlebar-levers-shifters combo in tact if I 
>> want to go back upright, and since I'm changing bar styles, why not 
>> consider another option?
>>
>> Anyways, would love all of your thoughts on this, especially if you have 
>> first-hand experience. Thank you all in advance!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] New list member intro

[Trevor Bradshaw]

Hi Harth,

Thanks for sharing those great stories with us. Please do share your RB-T 
with us if you get a chance. One of my favorite rides myself.

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 9:29:18 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, David; one more very good report for the Marathon Supreme. 
>
> The Naches Pass must have replaced the Panracer 26 X 1.75" in the RH 
> lineup. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 12:25 PM David Person  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I blew up the picture and the tires are Schwalbe Evolution 
>> Marathon Supreme.  Can't read the size.  The Compass tires that Harth 
>> mentions are probably the Compass 26 x 1.75" they used to sell that also 
>> labeled Panaracer 26 x 1.75.  I rode a set of these for several years, but 
>> are no longer offered by RH (formally Compass).  Of course, it's entirely 
>> possible I'm completely wrong regarding which Compass tires he has.
>>
>> [image: IMG_2428.jpeg][image: IMG_2429.jpeg]
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 7:31:01 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Harth: Welcome to the group, tho' I know you well from the Boblist.
>>>
>>> Which Schwalbes do you have on your all rounder? Also, I'm curious about 
>>> the handling defects of the RH tires, and which 1.75s you mean; are these 
>>> the Naches Pass? I put Naches Pass ELs on my new 26" wheel road custom 
>>> (Matthews but a copy of earlier Rivendell ones) and find them very nice for 
>>> both rolling and handling, at abot 35/32 f/r; no wallowing, if that is the 
>>> handling problem you had.
>>>
>>> More generally, and to the list: my Matthews is really yet another 
>>> iteration of the XO-1 lineage, the geneology moving from my 1992 XO-1 to a 
>>> Waterford custom road built around the All Rounder pattern but with steeper 
>>> head and lighter tubes, then 2 much improved customs (shallower head, 
>>> longer stays), to this one very like my last Riv custom but with room for 
>>> the Naches Pass 1.8s and fenders. Each step an improvement, at least as far 
>>> as mostly road riding goes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 7:09 PM Harth Huffman  wrote:
>>>

 Hi folks,
 I'm a longtime lurker who finally signed up.  I was a BOB back in the 
 day and on the ibob list since about 2000, and while I still read ibob 
 daily, they often discuss things I don't pay attention to or care about 
 these days.  Nothing negative about that, just not as much for me to 
 browse 
 in my zone of interests.  Rivendells, however, are always of interest to 
 me, so here I am.

 I bought my All-rounder in 1996 and it has been used as my touring 
 bike, gravel "race" bike, commuter, camping bike (which is somehow 
 different from touring bike, maybe), cyclocross "race" bike, and even as 
 my 
 mountain bike with mustache bars when I was replacing a broken one (until 
 I 
 snapped the bars).  It has seen a lot of use and clearly shows its 
 wear, with worn paint, chips, dents, and even some rust quite evident 
 (damn 
 chain suck).  It could use some attention, for sure. I recently replaced 
 my 
 Paselas with these Schwalbes, and they are the best riding tires I have 
 had 
 on it by far, including the Compass 1.75s and the RTPs, which had a 
 negative effect on handling and didn't fit with fenders.  New fenders 
 await 
 installation. The bag is old and worn, and I am stoked to be awaiting one 
 of the Route Werks bags that will go well on this.

 Three years ago, almost to the day, I crashed hard on it and broke a 
 few bones after hitting some black ice on a descent.  The bars are 
 currently bent and tape is gouged, but it rolls on, as always.

 My other connection to Riv and Grant goes back to '95 when I put my 
 RB-1 and my mountain bike (Rocky Mtn Blizzard) on top my old Subie and 
 drove around the country.  I ended up on Grant's doorstep, and he invited 
 me in.  Together we unboxed two prototype Riv Roads from Waterford and 
 built them up.  We went for a ride, the first time I had ever ridden a 
 road 
 bike offroad.  I'll never forget the looks on the faces of the mountain 
 bikers we came across and definitely will not forget how much fun I had. 
 It 
 changed my riding forever! Grant later wrote about our adventure in the 
 Riv 
 Reader.

 That's about it.  Well, my other bikes are an RB-T I use daily for 
 commutes and long rides, the same RB-1 I bought new in '93, and a lugged 
 Vanilla mtb, plus a custom tandem and a couple project bikes that sit 
 unfinished. 

 I am glad to be on this list.  The sense of camaraderie is evident, as 
 witnessed by the excitement over the new Platypus and other new bikes, and 
 the appreciation of all things Riv is clear.  There are many familiar 
 names 
 on this list, an obvious crossover from ibob, and many new ones, too.  I'm 
 not too talkative, so I will 

[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I will say that even in the past 2 or 3 weeks there have been a lot of 
changes (most for the better) to the new Google Groups format.
They've made a few management things easier, which I like, but have some 
other new aspects which cause issues.

At this time, I have no plans to try to migrate this group elsewhere. 

As with everything google-ish, things will be iterated to address problems. 
Commenting here is good for solutions you have found or other workarounds , 
but *please make sure you are providing feedback* *to google *if you are 
seeing issues.  On the desktop version, there is a specific tool at the 
very top of your browser tab window. Please use that - they do actually 
respond and address reported issues.

Screenshot attached.

Be well, stay safe!

- Jim / admin

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 3:25:12 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Apparently the classic format is now history.  My question is:  Is there 
> any indicator as to which posts are updated or new?  In the classic format, 
> new & updated posts were bolded.  Hopefully it's just these old eyes 
> missing something obvious, but I don't see any way to see the difference.  
> Does anyone know or see some indicator that I'm missing?
>
> Thx,
>
> Doug peterson
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[J Schwartz]

Does anyone know how to get this group to play nice (nicer) with IOS?

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 2:45:31 PM UTC-5 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> Where do you find the Sticky Messages that used to appear at the top of 
> the board, such as the Rivendell Timeline and the Riv Reader links?
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:02:40 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm not volunteering for this because I don't have the time or patience 
>> or skills...but I belong to another forum where people geek out about 
>> something that most people don't care about (putters...you know...for 
>> golf?).  It runs on forum called Simple Machines (
>> https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php) and it's very easy 
>> to find your way around, you can have categories for posts, registered 
>> members, you can assign people as Moderators...etc...
>>
>> Downsides...
>> I'm guessing you can't transfer over old threads from Groups
>> Posting pictures does require a small amount of HTML knowhow 
>> It's way easier to just participate on Facebook (this other community is 
>> losing participants to Facebook...there are people like me who like to sit 
>> with a coffee, read posts, write thoughtful responses, etc... who love the 
>> Simple Machines format, and there are people who want to post a picture of 
>> a new putter instantly and get a bunch of "likes"they're more into 
>> Facebook).
>>
>> I dunno...just a thought...
>>
>> Ben "Definitely Not Volunteering for This" Mihovk 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't 
>>> have to scroll down to find the last in?
>>> why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
>>> old from the new?
>>> i only view on my pc desktop.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
 I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
 annoying for me to read. Later, folks!

 Eamon

 On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist 
 wrote:

> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>
> Eamon
> Seattle 
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks 
>> like it's history.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
>>> settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and 
>>> it 
>>> gives you Classic view in mobile.
>>>
>>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>>
>>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>>> instructions also.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Nathan Mattia]

Where do you find the Sticky Messages that used to appear at the top of the 
board, such as the Rivendell Timeline and the Riv Reader links?


On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:02:40 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not volunteering for this because I don't have the time or patience or 
> skills...but I belong to another forum where people geek out about 
> something that most people don't care about (putters...you know...for 
> golf?).  It runs on forum called Simple Machines (
> https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php) and it's very easy to 
> find your way around, you can have categories for posts, registered 
> members, you can assign people as Moderators...etc...
>
> Downsides...
> I'm guessing you can't transfer over old threads from Groups
> Posting pictures does require a small amount of HTML knowhow 
> It's way easier to just participate on Facebook (this other community is 
> losing participants to Facebook...there are people like me who like to sit 
> with a coffee, read posts, write thoughtful responses, etc... who love the 
> Simple Machines format, and there are people who want to post a picture of 
> a new putter instantly and get a bunch of "likes"they're more into 
> Facebook).
>
> I dunno...just a thought...
>
> Ben "Definitely Not Volunteering for This" Mihovk 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't 
>> have to scroll down to find the last in?
>> why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
>> old from the new?
>> i only view on my pc desktop.
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
>>> annoying for me to read. Later, folks!
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
 Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.

 Eamon
 Seattle 

 On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks 
> like it's history.
>
> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
>> settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and 
>> it 
>> gives you Classic view in mobile.
>>
>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>
>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>> instructions also.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Drew Saunders]

Regarding the O2 levels, in this video: https://youtu.be/npXP5wqNzaI
He wears 6 masks and wears a pulse-ox meter. The results of wearing 6 
(count 'em, 6!) surgical masks for 5 minutes:

1: No change in O2 levels
2: His ears really hurt.

I'm about to get surgery (not voluntary, not in a pandemic!), where 
everyone will wear the same masks they wear for all the surgeries they've 
ever done before, that never caused any oxygen problems.

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I just saw a news report that had a study showing that masks don’t have 
> any effect on your oxygen levels. That say they feel like they do but the 
> numbers show you are still getting the same oxygen moving around your body 
> as you would without a mask. 
>
> I have a hard time wearing a mask while riding so I wear one pulled down 
> and “deploy” it when the need arises. My mask of choice is the Wald mask 
> since they fit ok and have some nice bikey patterns.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
> benzo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The thing with masks is that if they're not a bit constrictive, they 
> probably don't work (except for face shields, but who wants to look like a 
> welder with a transparent shield?). That's the nature of filters. Having 
> said that, there's constrictive, and there's *constrictive*. I should say 
> that none are constrictive to the extent claimed by anti-maskers.
>
>
> I find the least constrictive is one that has the largest surface area and 
> that also does the job. Duh! But *how* do you know if it does the job? 
> Given that masks are at least half a prophylactic against transmission to 
> *others*, an easy way of determining efficacy, without specialized tools, 
> is to try blowing out candles that are within a few inches of your face, 
> with the mask on. If you can blow out said candle, the mask isn't effective 
> enough. Stay away from the N95 masks with one-way valves; sure, they're 
> nice for you, but they do not mitigate the dispersion of droplets to others 
> as you exhale.
>
> Anyway, I find buffs, wool ones, double-layer-up, and merely lightly snug 
> around the mouth+nose instead of tight, to be efficacious and least 
> constrictive. In fact, I use that when cycling in cold weather. With the 
> proper eyewear, I don't experience fogging issues when on the move. In 
> addition, you may also want to look into anti-fog treatments, especially as 
> eyewear will fog up even without masks when one suddenly stops, in between 
> exertions.
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 2:10:42 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Can anyone suggest one, preferably one that is easy on/off, or at least 
>> easy to slip down when solitary and up when in public? I've been using 
>> basic cloth masks and (1) they're suffocating under any exertion, (2) they 
>> fog my shades, (3) the ear loops detach easily from your ears, so slipping 
>> them down often pulls them off.
>>
>> I am quite prepared to learn that the entire official protocol for 
>> infection avoidance is bunkum, and I am heartily disposed to believe that 
>> my political leaders are both inept and corrupt, or at least driven 
>> principally by self interest, but the situation is serious enough that I am 
>> willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wear masks around others, 
>> especially since some others seem panicky if you don't.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Ray]

Mike, that's the perfect backdrop for that Sam. All the colors just look 
great. Well done.

Ray

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:21:04 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> That's a heck of a unique build and the best bar / chainstay wrapping I've 
> seen in a good while. This build will be hard to beat for the batch of 
> Sam's!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rusty Seat Tube on my Chev

[Justin Kennedy]

Hmm I see what you're saying. I do bring it inside b/c of weather and theft
(I'm also in Brooklyn!). We have a terrace but it's uncovered. I guess I
could keep it there and bring it in when there is rain in the forecast.
Hadn't really thought about that so thanks for pointing it out.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 1:38 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does your bike come in from the cold? Temperature fluctuations can cause
> sweating that'll lead to rust. I'm fortunate/unfortunate to have a
> particularly unheated garage to store in, not that I don't get water in my
> frame, just less from condensation. Of course the answer wouldn't be to
> leave your Cheviot out on the street as theft is much worse for bikes than
> rust, but a breezeway or backyard is lovely, maybe.
> -Kai
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:46:37 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> I recently installed new pedals on my Cheviot and needed to adjust the
>> saddle height a tad bc the new pedals are considerably thinner than the old
>> ones. I noticed considerable resistance when I was attempting to lower the
>> seat so I decided to pull the entire thing out to see what's up. There was
>> a moderate amount of rust near the bottom of my seat post (a Nitto S83) and
>> to my horror the entire inner side of my seat tube was super rusty.
>>
>> The bike is from last spring, March 2019, back when Riv was default
>> prepping frames before shipping with a coat of Boeshield inside the tubes
>> and a budget seat post installed. I ride in the rain plenty but don't leave
>> the bike out in the rain. The amount of rust seems a little concerning. I
>> think moisture/rain is getting into the seat tube via a small gap in the
>> seat lug—it's one of those super gorgeous pointy upside-down hearts that
>> has peeled forward slightly.
>>
>> What should I do here? Guessing remove the post, clean up the rust, and
>> re-boeshield the inside. But is there any way to seal up that gap b/t the
>> pointy part of the lug and the seat post without banging and possibly
>> damaging the lug? Thinking a little bit or bees wax or something around it
>> could help. Any other suggestions?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rusty Seat Tube on my Chev

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Does your bike come in from the cold? Temperature fluctuations can cause 
sweating that'll lead to rust. I'm fortunate/unfortunate to have a 
particularly unheated garage to store in, not that I don't get water in my 
frame, just less from condensation. Of course the answer wouldn't be to 
leave your Cheviot out on the street as theft is much worse for bikes than 
rust, but a breezeway or backyard is lovely, maybe.
-Kai

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:46:37 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> I recently installed new pedals on my Cheviot and needed to adjust the 
> saddle height a tad bc the new pedals are considerably thinner than the old 
> ones. I noticed considerable resistance when I was attempting to lower the 
> seat so I decided to pull the entire thing out to see what's up. There was 
> a moderate amount of rust near the bottom of my seat post (a Nitto S83) and 
> to my horror the entire inner side of my seat tube was super rusty. 
>
> The bike is from last spring, March 2019, back when Riv was default 
> prepping frames before shipping with a coat of Boeshield inside the tubes 
> and a budget seat post installed. I ride in the rain plenty but don't leave 
> the bike out in the rain. The amount of rust seems a little concerning. I 
> think moisture/rain is getting into the seat tube via a small gap in the 
> seat lug—it's one of those super gorgeous pointy upside-down hearts that 
> has peeled forward slightly. 
>
> What should I do here? Guessing remove the post, clean up the rust, and 
> re-boeshield the inside. But is there any way to seal up that gap b/t the 
> pointy part of the lug and the seat post without banging and possibly 
> damaging the lug? Thinking a little bit or bees wax or something around it 
> could help. Any other suggestions? 
>

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Re: [RBW] COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[yavo]

I frequently ride on a beautiful rails-to-trail near my home and since
March I've been riding with a mask. Especially on a nice day, the trail is
filled with people who don't have any kind of protective masks. I realize
that "outdoors" is less of a risk, but I cannot fathom why groups of 2 or
more walk, run, ride or just are in public with no protection for
themselves or others. After months of wearing and trying different masks, I
have settled on a favorite. I started with the face gaitors, then went to
different style cloth masks, all from various makers (Mandala, Mambe,
home-made by a friend who is a seamstress, UnderArmour, Ibex Merino and
finally the disposable blue surgical masks. The blue surgical masks fit
best (I have a full beard) and didn't fog my glasses too much. We purchased
100s in bulk from Amazon. For the last month or two, I've switched to a
black KN95 masks and for me these fit even better than the surgical masks
and work best for me when I'm on the bike.  Even though they are
disposable, after a one-hour ride when I remove my helmet and gloves, I'll
sometimes let the mask dry and reuse a second time. I have masks in most
pockets of my clothing, just in case I need to interact with the outside
world.
Fred Yavorsky
Jenkintown, PA

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:01 PM Dave Grossman  wrote:

> I teach physical education and have been teaching in person since August.
> I work in a mask all day long while exercising and lecturing.  I've found
> the 3 ply disposable surgical masks to be the best.  They allow me to speak
> without issue and I can breathe in them.  I also had to do a stress
> test/ECG and wore one and ran for 19 minutes with one on, so its doable.
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:56:45 AM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Joel:
>>
>> The CDC recommends that people wear a mask “… in public settings … and
>> anywhere they will be around other people.”  If I’m riding in the great
>> outdoors by myself, I think the CDC guidances is that a mask is not
>> necessary. When I ride, I carry a mask, which I put on anytime I’m stopped
>> and either inside or around others.
>>
>> P.S. The American Lung Association also recommends mask wearing:
>>
>> *"Masks are not 100% effective, but mask wearing does decrease the risk
>> of viral spread. Public health professionals believe that mask wearing and
>> social distancing are the keys to controlling the first wave and
>> diminishing or avoiding subsequent waves of the virus. Mask wearing allows
>> us to open the economy up faster. Not wearing a mask around others only
>> worsens the pandemic, leads to more disease, and worsens the economic
>> effects."*
>>
>> And:
>>
>> *“… wearing a mask is showing respect for others and is your way of
>> helping lessen the spread of the disease."*
>>
>> https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-masks
>>
>> At this point, saying there is “controversy” around mask wearing is like
>> saying there is “controversy” around whether the earth is flat, just
>> because there are a bunch of web sites and YouTube videos saying it is.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wish they would come out with a list of masks that might help.  There
>> is much controversy.  I wear a mask anywhere others are and just don’t know
>> if they do much good.  I believe they do cause us breathing problems if
>> used for prolonged times.  I have 2 nice fabric masks, one with a pocket
>> that will allow a coffee filter that is supposed to be a good protective
>> layer but seems to make breathing more difficult.  I also have some
>> surgical style masks with no clue if they truly work.  Being retired I can
>> limit my exposure.
>>
>> Question, why wear a mask when riding a bike (or driving a car)?
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:41:06 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> The CDC recommends mask wearing, both to protect you from others and to
>>> protect them from you:
>>>
>>> CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public
>>> and mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will
>>> be around other people.
>>>
>>> Note that the CDC does not know at this time whether face shields are
>>> effective:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html
>>>
>>> Same page at the CDC web site has advice on choosing a mask.
>>>
>>> –Eric N
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:25 AM, Sky Coulter  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I haven’t found a simple mask that doesn’t fog my glasses to some degree
>>> or other. Closely pinching a wire frame along the top to the bridge of your
>>> nose wolill reduce the fog as long as u have the sides of the mask w a bit
>>> of a gap for the hot air to escape thru.
>>>
>>> I have to wear a half mask respirator for work and find it is pretty
>>> good for keeping fog away from glasses. I also found it was 

[RBW] WTB: Brooks Cambium C17 (Preferably brown)

[Keith Weaver]

Hi,

I'm interested in trying out a cambium saddle, and thought I'd see if
anyone on the list has one they're not using and would be willing to part
with. I like brown saddles, but any color would be OK. I'm assuming the C17
size would be best for me, based on how much I like my B17.

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Dave Grossman]

I teach physical education and have been teaching in person since August.  
I work in a mask all day long while exercising and lecturing.  I've found 
the 3 ply disposable surgical masks to be the best.  They allow me to speak 
without issue and I can breathe in them.  I also had to do a stress 
test/ECG and wore one and ran for 19 minutes with one on, so its doable.  

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:56:45 AM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Joel:
>
> The CDC recommends that people wear a mask “… in public settings … and 
> anywhere they will be around other people.”  If I’m riding in the great 
> outdoors by myself, I think the CDC guidances is that a mask is not 
> necessary. When I ride, I carry a mask, which I put on anytime I’m stopped 
> and either inside or around others.
>
> P.S. The American Lung Association also recommends mask wearing:
>
> *"Masks are not 100% effective, but mask wearing does decrease the risk of 
> viral spread. Public health professionals believe that mask wearing and 
> social distancing are the keys to controlling the first wave and 
> diminishing or avoiding subsequent waves of the virus. Mask wearing allows 
> us to open the economy up faster. Not wearing a mask around others only 
> worsens the pandemic, leads to more disease, and worsens the economic 
> effects."*
>
> And:
>
> *“… wearing a mask is showing respect for others and is your way of 
> helping lessen the spread of the disease."*
>
> https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-masks 
>
> At this point, saying there is “controversy” around mask wearing is like 
> saying there is “controversy” around whether the earth is flat, just 
> because there are a bunch of web sites and YouTube videos saying it is. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Joel S  wrote:
>
>
> I wish they would come out with a list of masks that might help.  There is 
> much controversy.  I wear a mask anywhere others are and just don’t know if 
> they do much good.  I believe they do cause us breathing problems if used 
> for prolonged times.  I have 2 nice fabric masks, one with a pocket that 
> will allow a coffee filter that is supposed to be a good protective layer 
> but seems to make breathing more difficult.  I also have some surgical 
> style masks with no clue if they truly work.  Being retired I can limit my 
> exposure.  
>
> Question, why wear a mask when riding a bike (or driving a car)? 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:41:06 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> The CDC recommends mask wearing, both to protect you from others and to 
>> protect them from you:
>>
>> CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public 
>> and mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will 
>> be around other people.
>>
>> Note that the CDC does not know at this time whether face shields are 
>> effective:
>>
>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html
>>
>> Same page at the CDC web site has advice on choosing a mask. 
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:25 AM, Sky Coulter  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I haven’t found a simple mask that doesn’t fog my glasses to some degree 
>> or other. Closely pinching a wire frame along the top to the bridge of your 
>> nose wolill reduce the fog as long as u have the sides of the mask w a bit 
>> of a gap for the hot air to escape thru.  
>>
>> I have to wear a half mask respirator for work and find it is pretty good 
>> for keeping fog away from glasses. I also found it was bearable for 
>> commuting to and from work (12km w hills each way), but i did have to avoid 
>> maximal exertion and control my breathing pattern better than i might 
>> otherwise.
>>
>> We use the 3m 6200 mask c p100 filters (7093): the mask is around twenty 
>> bucks, the filters around 30-40.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.ca/3M-Safety-142-6100-Reusable-Respirator/dp/B01HMF7V0M/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1=respirator=1606209733=8-5
>>
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
>> benzo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’m usually skeptic of simplified news reporting, especially in the 
>> presumed context of (rightly) trying to convince the general public that 
>> masks aren’t really an impediment to daily routine activities. Regardless, 
>> what 
>> exertion level did they measure the various oxygen levels at? If one is 
>> just riding along, unracer-like, enjoying the scenery, and smelling the 
>> flowers, I can believe that. However, if one is trying for a PR up Hamilton 
>> or Monte Bello, I’ll need to see the data and experimental setup to be 
>> convinced. Actually, I should just borrow my wife’s pulse oximeter and 
>> figure out the effects, if any, of masking , at various exertion levels, 
>> especially since I’m going exactly nowhere this Thanksgiving.
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-8 Robert 

Re: [RBW] COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joel:

The CDC recommends that people wear a mask “… in public settings … and anywhere 
they will be around other people.”  If I’m riding in the great outdoors by 
myself, I think the CDC guidances is that a mask is not necessary. When I ride, 
I carry a mask, which I put on anytime I’m stopped and either inside or around 
others.

P.S. The American Lung Association also recommends mask wearing:

"Masks are not 100% effective, but mask wearing does decrease the risk of viral 
spread. Public health professionals believe that mask wearing and social 
distancing are the keys to controlling the first wave and diminishing or 
avoiding subsequent waves of the virus. Mask wearing allows us to open the 
economy up faster. Not wearing a mask around others only worsens the pandemic, 
leads to more disease, and worsens the economic effects."

And:

“… wearing a mask is showing respect for others and is your way of helping 
lessen the spread of the disease."

https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-masks  

At this point, saying there is “controversy” around mask wearing is like saying 
there is “controversy” around whether the earth is flat, just because there are 
a bunch of web sites and YouTube videos saying it is. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Joel S  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wish they would come out with a list of masks that might help.  There is 
> much controversy.  I wear a mask anywhere others are and just don’t know if 
> they do much good.  I believe they do cause us breathing problems if used for 
> prolonged times.  I have 2 nice fabric masks, one with a pocket that will 
> allow a coffee filter that is supposed to be a good protective layer but 
> seems to make breathing more difficult.  I also have some surgical style 
> masks with no clue if they truly work.  Being retired I can limit my 
> exposure.  
> 
> Question, why wear a mask when riding a bike (or driving a car)? 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:41:06 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
> The CDC recommends mask wearing, both to protect you from others and to 
> protect them from you:
> 
> CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public and 
> mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will be 
> around other people.
> 
> Note that the CDC does not know at this time whether face shields are 
> effective:
> 
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html
>  
> 
> 
> Same page at the CDC web site has advice on choosing a mask. 
> 
> –Eric N
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:25 AM, Sky Coulter > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> I haven’t found a simple mask that doesn’t fog my glasses to some degree or 
>> other. Closely pinching a wire frame along the top to the bridge of your 
>> nose wolill reduce the fog as long as u have the sides of the mask w a bit 
>> of a gap for the hot air to escape thru.  
>> 
>> I have to wear a half mask respirator for work and find it is pretty good 
>> for keeping fog away from glasses. I also found it was bearable for 
>> commuting to and from work (12km w hills each way), but i did have to avoid 
>> maximal exertion and control my breathing pattern better than i might 
>> otherwise.
>> 
>> We use the 3m 6200 mask c p100 filters (7093): the mask is around twenty 
>> bucks, the filters around 30-40.
>> https://www.amazon.ca/3M-Safety-142-6100-Reusable-Respirator/dp/B01HMF7V0M/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1=respirator=1606209733=8-5
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sky in new west
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m usually skeptic of simplified news reporting, especially in the 
>>> presumed context of (rightly) trying to convince the general public that 
>>> masks aren’t really an impediment to daily routine activities. Regardless, 
>>> what exertion level did they measure the various oxygen levels at? If one 
>>> is just riding along, unracer-like, enjoying the scenery, and smelling the 
>>> flowers, I can believe that. However, if one is trying for a PR up Hamilton 
>>> or Monte Bello, I’ll need to see the data and experimental setup to be 
>>> convinced. Actually, I should just borrow my wife’s pulse oximeter and 
>>> figure out the effects, if any, of masking , at various exertion levels, 
>>> especially since I’m going exactly nowhere this Thanksgiving.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>> I just saw a news report that had a study showing that masks don’t have any 
>>> effect on your oxygen levels. That say they feel like they do but the 
>>> numbers show you are still getting the same oxygen moving around your body 

[RBW] Re: Free 1.25", 31.8mm, 11 cm, 10* stem

[Rusty Click]

email sent...thanks

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 9:25:38 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I had asked for a shorter replacement, and good thing I didn't fine one 
> because I later realized I had a 9 cm, 17* one in my parts box. It's a $90 
> high-end Ritchey, so putting it on the Monocog is like dressing a pig up in 
> Chanel, or at least Jos Banks,* but it certainly does make the bike fit 
> better, and I don't need it for something else, so that's what counts.
>
> Please take only if you will use.
>
> Send me your mailing address. I'll pay postage. CONUS only, I'm afraid. Be 
> prepared to wait.
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Sky Coulter]

I was wearing my respirator on the bike when the lower mainland (bc) was very 
smokey for a week or so with the northward drift of smoke from west coast 
fires. Then the new west pier caught on fire and added a couple more smoke 
filled days.  The p100 filters did an amazing job of filtering the air. When i 
took my mask off at a light to sip some water, i couldn’t believe how poor the 
air quality was.

Sky in new west

> On Nov 24, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Joel S  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wish they would come out with a list of masks that might help.  There is 
> much controversy.  I wear a mask anywhere others are and just don’t know if 
> they do much good.  I believe they do cause us breathing problems if used for 
> prolonged times.  I have 2 nice fabric masks, one with a pocket that will 
> allow a coffee filter that is supposed to be a good protective layer but 
> seems to make breathing more difficult.  I also have some surgical style 
> masks with no clue if they truly work.  Being retired I can limit my 
> exposure.  
> 
> Question, why wear a mask when riding a bike (or driving a car)? 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:41:06 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>> The CDC recommends mask wearing, both to protect you from others and to 
>> protect them from you:
>> 
>> CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public and 
>> mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will be 
>> around other people.
>> 
>> Note that the CDC does not know at this time whether face shields are 
>> effective:
>> 
>> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html
>> 
>> Same page at the CDC web site has advice on choosing a mask. 
>> 
>> –Eric N
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:25 AM, Sky Coulter  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> I haven’t found a simple mask that doesn’t fog my glasses to some degree or 
>>> other. Closely pinching a wire frame along the top to the bridge of your 
>>> nose wolill reduce the fog as long as u have the sides of the mask w a bit 
>>> of a gap for the hot air to escape thru.  
>>> 
>>> I have to wear a half mask respirator for work and find it is pretty good 
>>> for keeping fog away from glasses. I also found it was bearable for 
>>> commuting to and from work (12km w hills each way), but i did have to avoid 
>>> maximal exertion and control my breathing pattern better than i might 
>>> otherwise.
>>> 
>>> We use the 3m 6200 mask c p100 filters (7093): the mask is around twenty 
>>> bucks, the filters around 30-40.
>>> https://www.amazon.ca/3M-Safety-142-6100-Reusable-Respirator/dp/B01HMF7V0M/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1=respirator=1606209733=8-5
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sky in new west
 On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
  wrote:
 
 I’m usually skeptic of simplified news reporting, especially in the 
 presumed context of (rightly) trying to convince the general public that 
 masks aren’t really an impediment to daily routine activities. Regardless, 
 what exertion level did they measure the various oxygen levels at? If one 
 is just riding along, unracer-like, enjoying the scenery, and smelling the 
 flowers, I can believe that. However, if one is trying for a PR up 
 Hamilton or Monte Bello, I’ll need to see the data and experimental setup 
 to be convinced. Actually, I should just borrow my wife’s pulse oximeter 
 and figure out the effects, if any, of masking , at various exertion 
 levels, especially since I’m going exactly nowhere this Thanksgiving.
 
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:
> I just saw a news report that had a study showing that masks don’t have 
> any effect on your oxygen levels. That say they feel like they do but the 
> numbers show you are still getting the same oxygen moving around your 
> body as you would without a mask. 
> 
> I have a hard time wearing a mask while riding so I wear one pulled down 
> and “deploy” it when the need arises. My mask of choice is the Wald mask 
> since they fit ok and have some nice bikey patterns.
> 
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> The thing with masks is that if they're not a bit constrictive, they 
>> probably don't work (except for face shields, but who wants to look like 
>> a welder with a transparent shield?). That's the nature of filters. 
>> Having said that, there's constrictive, and there's constrictive. I 
>> should say that none are constrictive to the extent claimed by 
>> anti-maskers.
> 
>> 
>> I find the least constrictive is one that has the largest surface area 
>> and that also does the job. Duh! But how do you know if it does the job? 
>> Given that masks are at least half a prophylactic against transmission 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Joel S]

I wish they would come out with a list of masks that might help.  There is 
much controversy.  I wear a mask anywhere others are and just don’t know if 
they do much good.  I believe they do cause us breathing problems if used 
for prolonged times.  I have 2 nice fabric masks, one with a pocket that 
will allow a coffee filter that is supposed to be a good protective layer 
but seems to make breathing more difficult.  I also have some surgical 
style masks with no clue if they truly work.  Being retired I can limit my 
exposure.  

Question, why wear a mask when riding a bike (or driving a car)? 
On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:41:06 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> The CDC recommends mask wearing, both to protect you from others and to 
> protect them from you:
>
> CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public 
> and mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will 
> be around other people.
>
> Note that the CDC does not know at this time whether face shields are 
> effective:
>
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html
>
> Same page at the CDC web site has advice on choosing a mask. 
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:25 AM, Sky Coulter  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I haven’t found a simple mask that doesn’t fog my glasses to some degree 
> or other. Closely pinching a wire frame along the top to the bridge of your 
> nose wolill reduce the fog as long as u have the sides of the mask w a bit 
> of a gap for the hot air to escape thru.  
>
> I have to wear a half mask respirator for work and find it is pretty good 
> for keeping fog away from glasses. I also found it was bearable for 
> commuting to and from work (12km w hills each way), but i did have to avoid 
> maximal exertion and control my breathing pattern better than i might 
> otherwise.
>
> We use the 3m 6200 mask c p100 filters (7093): the mask is around twenty 
> bucks, the filters around 30-40.
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/3M-Safety-142-6100-Reusable-Respirator/dp/B01HMF7V0M/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1=respirator=1606209733=8-5
>
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
> benzo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I’m usually skeptic of simplified news reporting, especially in the 
> presumed context of (rightly) trying to convince the general public that 
> masks aren’t really an impediment to daily routine activities. Regardless, 
> what 
> exertion level did they measure the various oxygen levels at? If one is 
> just riding along, unracer-like, enjoying the scenery, and smelling the 
> flowers, I can believe that. However, if one is trying for a PR up Hamilton 
> or Monte Bello, I’ll need to see the data and experimental setup to be 
> convinced. Actually, I should just borrow my wife’s pulse oximeter and 
> figure out the effects, if any, of masking , at various exertion levels, 
> especially since I’m going exactly nowhere this Thanksgiving.
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I just saw a news report that had a study showing that masks don’t have 
>> any effect on your oxygen levels. That say they feel like they do but the 
>> numbers show you are still getting the same oxygen moving around your body 
>> as you would without a mask. 
>>
>> I have a hard time wearing a mask while riding so I wear one pulled down 
>> and “deploy” it when the need arises. My mask of choice is the Wald mask 
>> since they fit ok and have some nice bikey patterns.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
>> benzo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The thing with masks is that if they're not a bit constrictive, they 
>> probably don't work (except for face shields, but who wants to look like a 
>> welder with a transparent shield?). That's the nature of filters. Having 
>> said that, there's constrictive, and there's *constrictive*. I should 
>> say that none are constrictive to the extent claimed by anti-maskers.
>>
>>
>> I find the least constrictive is one that has the largest surface area 
>> and that also does the job. Duh! But *how* do you know if it does the 
>> job? Given that masks are at least half a prophylactic against transmission 
>> to *others*, an easy way of determining efficacy, without specialized 
>> tools, is to try blowing out candles that are within a few inches of your 
>> face, with the mask on. If you can blow out said candle, the mask isn't 
>> effective enough. Stay away from the N95 masks with one-way valves; sure, 
>> they're nice for you, but they do not mitigate the dispersion of droplets 
>> to others as you exhale.
>>
>> Anyway, I find buffs, wool ones, double-layer-up, and merely lightly snug 
>> around the mouth+nose instead of tight, to be efficacious and least 
>> constrictive. In fact, I use that when cycling in cold weather. With the 
>> proper eyewear, I don't experience 

[RBW] Re: Rusty Seat Tube on my Chev

[Ben Mihovk]

I like your beeswax idea for sure. That stuff is a wonder!

I'd also hit the seat and and tube with a fresh gob of grease...it should 
provide a waterproof barrier if you apply an even coat. 

Thread sealing tape comes to mind as a possibility here. I wonder if you 
could wrap the post with some thread tape just below where it will be in 
relation to the lug/gap. I would imagine a few wraps of that tape then 
being compressed by the bolt might form a nice seal. Then again...there 
could be a HUGE no-no that I'm suggesting in doing so.


Ben
On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:46:37 AM UTC-6 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> I recently installed new pedals on my Cheviot and needed to adjust the 
> saddle height a tad bc the new pedals are considerably thinner than the old 
> ones. I noticed considerable resistance when I was attempting to lower the 
> seat so I decided to pull the entire thing out to see what's up. There was 
> a moderate amount of rust near the bottom of my seat post (a Nitto S83) and 
> to my horror the entire inner side of my seat tube was super rusty. 
>
> The bike is from last spring, March 2019, back when Riv was default 
> prepping frames before shipping with a coat of Boeshield inside the tubes 
> and a budget seat post installed. I ride in the rain plenty but don't leave 
> the bike out in the rain. The amount of rust seems a little concerning. I 
> think moisture/rain is getting into the seat tube via a small gap in the 
> seat lug—it's one of those super gorgeous pointy upside-down hearts that 
> has peeled forward slightly. 
>
> What should I do here? Guessing remove the post, clean up the rust, and 
> re-boeshield the inside. But is there any way to seal up that gap b/t the 
> pointy part of the lug and the seat post without banging and possibly 
> damaging the lug? Thinking a little bit or bees wax or something around it 
> could help. Any other suggestions? 
>

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[RBW] WTB: Chocomoose

[J Schwartz]

Greetings , looking for a Nitto Chocomoose (not norm) to buy.
Used in decent shape is fine
If anyone is sitting on one , let me know
Thanks 
JS

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Ben Mihovk]

I'm not volunteering for this because I don't have the time or patience or 
skills...but I belong to another forum where people geek out about 
something that most people don't care about (putters...you know...for 
golf?).  It runs on forum called Simple Machines 
(https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php) and it's very easy to 
find your way around, you can have categories for posts, registered 
members, you can assign people as Moderators...etc...

Downsides...
I'm guessing you can't transfer over old threads from Groups
Posting pictures does require a small amount of HTML knowhow 
It's way easier to just participate on Facebook (this other community is 
losing participants to Facebook...there are people like me who like to sit 
with a coffee, read posts, write thoughtful responses, etc... who love the 
Simple Machines format, and there are people who want to post a picture of 
a new putter instantly and get a bunch of "likes"they're more into 
Facebook).

I dunno...just a thought...

Ben "Definitely Not Volunteering for This" Mihovk 
On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:

> why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't 
> have to scroll down to find the last in?
> why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
> old from the new?
> i only view on my pc desktop.
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
>> annoying for me to read. Later, folks!
>>
>> Eamon
>>
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>> Seattle 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks 
 like it's history.

 On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:

> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
> settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and 
> it 
> gives you Classic view in mobile.
>
> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>
> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
> instructions also.
>
> IanA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[eddietheflay]

why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't have 
to scroll down to find the last in?
why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
old from the new?
i only view on my pc desktop.

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
> annoying for me to read. Later, folks!
>
> Eamon
>
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>>
>> Eamon
>> Seattle 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
>>> it's history.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
 settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it 
 gives you Classic view in mobile.

 On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.

 A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
 instructions also.

 IanA



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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The CDC recommends mask wearing, both to protect you from others and to protect 
them from you:

CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public and 
mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will be around 
other people.

Note that the CDC does not know at this time whether face shields are effective:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html

Same page at the CDC web site has advice on choosing a mask. 

–Eric N


> On Nov 24, 2020, at 1:25 AM, Sky Coulter  wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven’t found a simple mask that doesn’t fog my glasses to some degree or 
> other. Closely pinching a wire frame along the top to the bridge of your nose 
> wolill reduce the fog as long as u have the sides of the mask w a bit of a 
> gap for the hot air to escape thru.  
> 
> I have to wear a half mask respirator for work and find it is pretty good for 
> keeping fog away from glasses. I also found it was bearable for commuting to 
> and from work (12km w hills each way), but i did have to avoid maximal 
> exertion and control my breathing pattern better than i might otherwise.
> 
> We use the 3m 6200 mask c p100 filters (7093): the mask is around twenty 
> bucks, the filters around 30-40.
> https://www.amazon.ca/3M-Safety-142-6100-Reusable-Respirator/dp/B01HMF7V0M/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1=respirator=1606209733=8-5
> 
> 
> Sky in new west
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m usually skeptic of simplified news reporting, especially in the 
>> presumed context of (rightly) trying to convince the general public that 
>> masks aren’t really an impediment to daily routine activities. Regardless, 
>> what exertion level did they measure the various oxygen levels at? If one is 
>> just riding along, unracer-like, enjoying the scenery, and smelling the 
>> flowers, I can believe that. However, if one is trying for a PR up Hamilton 
>> or Monte Bello, I’ll need to see the data and experimental setup to be 
>> convinced. Actually, I should just borrow my wife’s pulse oximeter and 
>> figure out the effects, if any, of masking , at various exertion levels, 
>> especially since I’m going exactly nowhere this Thanksgiving.
>> 
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>> I just saw a news report that had a study showing that masks don’t have any 
>>> effect on your oxygen levels. That say they feel like they do but the 
>>> numbers show you are still getting the same oxygen moving around your body 
>>> as you would without a mask. 
>>> 
>>> I have a hard time wearing a mask while riding so I wear one pulled down 
>>> and “deploy” it when the need arises. My mask of choice is the Wald mask 
>>> since they fit ok and have some nice bikey patterns.
>>> 
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
  wrote:
 
 The thing with masks is that if they're not a bit constrictive, they 
 probably don't work (except for face shields, but who wants to look like a 
 welder with a transparent shield?). That's the nature of filters. Having 
 said that, there's constrictive, and there's constrictive. I should say 
 that none are constrictive to the extent claimed by anti-maskers.
>>> 
 
 I find the least constrictive is one that has the largest surface area and 
 that also does the job. Duh! But how do you know if it does the job? Given 
 that masks are at least half a prophylactic against transmission to 
 others, an easy way of determining efficacy, without specialized tools, is 
 to try blowing out candles that are within a few inches of your face, with 
 the mask on. If you can blow out said candle, the mask isn't effective 
 enough. Stay away from the N95 masks with one-way valves; sure, they're 
 nice for you, but they do not mitigate the dispersion of droplets to 
 others as you exhale.
 
 Anyway, I find buffs, wool ones, double-layer-up, and merely lightly snug 
 around the mouth+nose instead of tight, to be efficacious and least 
 constrictive. In fact, I use that when cycling in cold weather. With the 
 proper eyewear, I don't experience fogging issues when on the move. In 
 addition, you may also want to look into anti-fog treatments, especially 
 as eyewear will fog up even without masks when one suddenly stops, in 
 between exertions.
 
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 2:10:42 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Can anyone suggest one, preferably one that is easy on/off, or at least 
>> easy to slip down when solitary and up when in public? I've been using 
>> basic cloth masks and (1) they're suffocating under any exertion, (2) 
>> they fog my shades, (3) the ear loops detach easily from your ears, so 
>> slipping them down often pulls them off.
>> 
>> I am 

[RBW] Rusty Seat Tube on my Chev

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I recently installed new pedals on my Cheviot and needed to adjust the 
saddle height a tad bc the new pedals are considerably thinner than the old 
ones. I noticed considerable resistance when I was attempting to lower the 
seat so I decided to pull the entire thing out to see what's up. There was 
a moderate amount of rust near the bottom of my seat post (a Nitto S83) and 
to my horror the entire inner side of my seat tube was super rusty. 

The bike is from last spring, March 2019, back when Riv was default 
prepping frames before shipping with a coat of Boeshield inside the tubes 
and a budget seat post installed. I ride in the rain plenty but don't leave 
the bike out in the rain. The amount of rust seems a little concerning. I 
think moisture/rain is getting into the seat tube via a small gap in the 
seat lug—it's one of those super gorgeous pointy upside-down hearts that 
has peeled forward slightly. 

What should I do here? Guessing remove the post, clean up the rust, and 
re-boeshield the inside. But is there any way to seal up that gap b/t the 
pointy part of the lug and the seat post without banging and possibly 
damaging the lug? Thinking a little bit or bees wax or something around it 
could help. Any other suggestions? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Sky Coulter]

I haven’t found a simple mask that doesn’t fog my glasses to some degree or 
other. Closely pinching a wire frame along the top to the bridge of your nose 
wolill reduce the fog as long as u have the sides of the mask w a bit of a gap 
for the hot air to escape thru.  

I have to wear a half mask respirator for work and find it is pretty good for 
keeping fog away from glasses. I also found it was bearable for commuting to 
and from work (12km w hills each way), but i did have to avoid maximal exertion 
and control my breathing pattern better than i might otherwise.

We use the 3m 6200 mask c p100 filters (7093): the mask is around twenty bucks, 
the filters around 30-40.
https://www.amazon.ca/3M-Safety-142-6100-Reusable-Respirator/dp/B01HMF7V0M/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1=respirator=1606209733=8-5


Sky in new west
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m usually skeptic of simplified news reporting, especially in the presumed 
> context of (rightly) trying to convince the general public that masks aren’t 
> really an impediment to daily routine activities. Regardless, what exertion 
> level did they measure the various oxygen levels at? If one is just riding 
> along, unracer-like, enjoying the scenery, and smelling the flowers, I can 
> believe that. However, if one is trying for a PR up Hamilton or Monte Bello, 
> I’ll need to see the data and experimental setup to be convinced. Actually, I 
> should just borrow my wife’s pulse oximeter and figure out the effects, if 
> any, of masking , at various exertion levels, especially since I’m going 
> exactly nowhere this Thanksgiving.
> 
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:
>> I just saw a news report that had a study showing that masks don’t have any 
>> effect on your oxygen levels. That say they feel like they do but the 
>> numbers show you are still getting the same oxygen moving around your body 
>> as you would without a mask. 
>> 
>> I have a hard time wearing a mask while riding so I wear one pulled down and 
>> “deploy” it when the need arises. My mask of choice is the Wald mask since 
>> they fit ok and have some nice bikey patterns.
>> 
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
  wrote:
 
>>> The thing with masks is that if they're not a bit constrictive, they 
>>> probably don't work (except for face shields, but who wants to look like a 
>>> welder with a transparent shield?). That's the nature of filters. Having 
>>> said that, there's constrictive, and there's constrictive. I should say 
>>> that none are constrictive to the extent claimed by anti-maskers.
>> 
>>> 
>>> I find the least constrictive is one that has the largest surface area and 
>>> that also does the job. Duh! But how do you know if it does the job? Given 
>>> that masks are at least half a prophylactic against transmission to others, 
>>> an easy way of determining efficacy, without specialized tools, is to try 
>>> blowing out candles that are within a few inches of your face, with the 
>>> mask on. If you can blow out said candle, the mask isn't effective enough. 
>>> Stay away from the N95 masks with one-way valves; sure, they're nice for 
>>> you, but they do not mitigate the dispersion of droplets to others as you 
>>> exhale.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I find buffs, wool ones, double-layer-up, and merely lightly snug 
>>> around the mouth+nose instead of tight, to be efficacious and least 
>>> constrictive. In fact, I use that when cycling in cold weather. With the 
>>> proper eyewear, I don't experience fogging issues when on the move. In 
>>> addition, you may also want to look into anti-fog treatments, especially as 
>>> eyewear will fog up even without masks when one suddenly stops, in between 
>>> exertions.
>>> 
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 2:10:42 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Can anyone suggest one, preferably one that is easy on/off, or at least 
> easy to slip down when solitary and up when in public? I've been using 
> basic cloth masks and (1) they're suffocating under any exertion, (2) 
> they fog my shades, (3) the ear loops detach easily from your ears, so 
> slipping them down often pulls them off.
> 
> I am quite prepared to learn that the entire official protocol for 
> infection avoidance is bunkum, and I am heartily disposed to believe that 
> my political leaders are both inept and corrupt, or at least driven 
> principally by self interest, but the situation is serious enough that I 
> am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wear masks around 
> others, especially since some others seem panicky if you don't.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> 
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>