[RBW] Re: ISO: budget 650b rim brake wheel set

[Jonathan Stafford]

No experience, but seen some RBW members talk about these in the past w/ 
mixed reviews. cyclestoussaint 650B 

I just went super cheapo with an Amazon StaTru set for under $100 shipped. 
I do not expect much from them but they'll do fine until I get around to 
building my new wheels. After that, I'll donate them to a local coop for 
some 26" conversion thing or wheel truing lessons. Good luck!
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:29:27 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> Hey y’all,
>
> I’m waiting for Rich to get all the parts to build me a wheelset. 
>
> In the meantime, does anybody have a < $200 650b rim brake wheel set 
> they’re willing to part with? Preferably in the Bay Area so I can pick it 
> up instead of pay for shipping. 
>
> Thanks in advance! 
>
> Nikko 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[dave_manze...@yahoo.com]

I can confirm that my MIT Atlantis uses a 26.8 mm seatpost. I don’t know if 
they all do though 

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 2:48:23 PM UTC-5 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> I thought the MIT Homers use a 27.2 seatpost. I could be wrong - the 
> description doesn’t say, as far as I can tell.
> Eamon
> Seattle  
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:30:35 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> And you could discuss that bike on the SOB* list!
>>
>> *Surly Owners Bunch
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:17:23 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> I think I'll buy a Surly Bridge Club frameset and save myself $3400 vs a 
>>> custom.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 A custom would certainly do the trick. Mine was built to a spec similar 
 to if you put the toptube lower on an Appaloosa, and it uses a 27.2 post. 
 Solved! 

 On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:07:17 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> I think you mean get a section of 26.8 tubing. Yes, I suggested a 
> custom based on his favorite seat post. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:59:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I would not recommend milling the inside of the seat tube. You'd be 
>> weakening the structure of the frame and the milling would be difficult 
>> and 
>> more expense than it's worth.
>>
>> Instead, find a local fabricator and request the following:
>>
>> 1: Get a section of 27.2mm tubing and cut it to length (300mm or 
>> thereabouts)
>> 2: Cut the tube from the seatpost you want
>> 3: TIG-weld the 27.2mm tubing to the base of your seatpost
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Mark Roland  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, as I said above, I'm not an expert in suspension posts, so I 
>> haven't seen the testing labeling one or another brand far superior, one 
>> that many people love, and therefore rendering my point into a straw 
>> man. 
>> In 50 years of riding, with clubs, for transportation, being involved in 
>> many ways, I've never ridden with someone who purposely rode with a 
>> suspension post. Caveat--I am not a mountain biker so don't have a lot 
>> of 
>> experience in that world, though I understand there the whole bike is 
>> usually suspended. The ones I've come across in the wild were on 
>> hybrids, 
>> cheap mtbs, (now extinct ?) "comfort" bikes, and tandem stoker posts.
>> I guess my point was more if you really want a certain Riv model, you 
>> can probably find a way to get a seat post that will work for you. Maybe 
>> you could get .2mm milled off the post and .2 reamed out of the seat 
>> tube. 
>> Or just be thankful the Hillborne takes a 27.2 and call it a blessed day.
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 1:58:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>>
>>> We're basically just bickering at this point but I can't help 
>>> myself... the suspension posts posted on eBay above are all awful 
>>> compared 
>>> to the market leading suspension posts from Cane Creek and the like. 
>>> They're not even really the same thing from a functionality 
>>> perspective. 
>>> Linking to them is a total straw man. 
>>>
>>> Cane Creek's design has been around for 20+ years, and is a well 
>>> proven, tunable, and serviceable technology. Lots and lots of people 
>>> love 
>>> them and I suspect that's what OP was hoping to use.
>>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 09:52:58 UTC-8 bfd...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My bad, the Op did ask about suspension posts. Someone else asked 
 about dropper post. Still, it does make you wonder what Grant is 
 thinking 
 going to a 26.8mm seatpost on his frames?! 

 Good Luck!

 On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:53:01 AM UTC-8 Brewster Fong 
 wrote:

> The question I have is are these "suspension" post that you refer 
> to the same a dropper post that he OP is seeking?!  The dropper post 
> is the 
> latest thing for gravel/mtbs as it allows you to adjust the saddle 
> height 
> with the press of a button. These posts aren't cheap a they start at 
> like 
> $200 and go up! I think Sram's wireless post is $800+
>
> Good Luck! 
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland 
> wrote:
>
>> Here are a bunch of 26.8 suspension posts on eBay 
>> 
>>  right now. Should last a lifetime of Rivs!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 6:48:44 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Tubing 

Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Andy Beichler]

I was listening to Soul Serenade from the live album King Curtis cut out at 
the Fillmore West as I was scrolling through.  Your pictures and his 
beautiful playing went together quite well.  Thanks.  


On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:

> thanks for posting this.  really enjoyed reading it and these photos look 
> like fern gully.  wish i had easy access to that kinda wildness!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:41:49 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Wow! Amazing loop! thanks for sharing! You mention bears and cougars, do 
>> you ever carry bear spray? 
>> Scott
>>
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:02:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Very pretty photos. One of my favorite kinds of riding is dirt or gravel 
>>> roads or trails that are not technical, just like those you show. I live 
>>> close to a lot of them, but ours are sandy; tossup whether I'd prefer sand 
>>> or mud. 
>>>
>>> This moves me to resolve to explore more of our trails north of where I 
>>> live, and spend half a day doing that, sometime soon!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
 and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
 here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
 trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
 hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
 extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
 well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
 region. 

 I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
 parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 

 [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]

 This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
 service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
 down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
 friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and 
 hard 
 to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 

 [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]

 From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to 
 a marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
 into the valley and away from the city. 

 [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]

 This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
 grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
 Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and 
 far 
 between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
 now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 

 [image: IMG_2861.JPG]

 A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most 
 people are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't 
 imagine life without full-coverage fenders! 

 [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]

 Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was 
 only about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to 
 the west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm 
 now. 

 [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]

 The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and 
 it's the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail 
 that winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with 
 information on local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite 
 wonderous, considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   

 [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]

 This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
 downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 

 [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]

 As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
 beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
 lichen covered trees. 

 [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]

 The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
 length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
 hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
 the rest of the evening! 

 Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 

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[RBW] WTB 54cm Hunqapillar - Green only

[Jeffrey S]

I'll never give up the search! Looking for a 54 cm Hunqapillar in green. 
Would like the frameset/HS/BB. Let me know if you've got one! 

Located in Portland, OR but can have it shipped if needed. 

Thanks!
Jeffrey 


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[RBW] WTB: Gus Boots size Large

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello All.

If anyone has a size L Gus they'd like to part with, I'd love it.

Thank you!

Paul

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[RBW] FS: Parts Bin items in Portland, OR

[Jeffrey S]

Located in Portland, OR. Hoping to sell these locally first. If shipping is 
necessary, I would just add whatever it costs to do so. I'll wait a week 
before I decide to ship anything.  Photos can be seen here: 
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/portland-parts-box-sale-brooks-shimano/7237888793.html

And always on the hunt for that 55cm Sage green Canti Sam frameset you have 
lying around! : )

Brooks “Ladies Standard B178” saddle, used only a handful of times - $120

Shimano clipless pd-m505 pedals - $30

Velo Orange Porteur handlebars 26.0 clamp size - $20

Velo Orange Milan handle bar 25.4 clamp size - $20

Velo Orange Curvy handlebar 26.0 clamp size - $20

Bianchi Deda pista track handlebars 26.0 clamp size with Brooks leather 
wrap (off of a Bianchi Pista) - $30

Minoura saddle rail double waterbottle holder with one Minoura cage - $10

Campagnolo downtube shifter levers - $20

No name 27.2 seatpost - $10

NIB Profile Racing 16 tooth track cog 1/8” - $20

Surly track cog 15 tooth 3/32” - $10

Golden Saddle Cyclery Cycling Cap worn a few times - $10

Shimano R099 clipless shoes in great shape but older Size 44 - $10

Suntour 6 speed cassette - $10

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[RBW] Atlantis differences

[Joe in the Pay Area]

Having cawfee with Rich this morning, he of R'dell wheel building fame, I 
found out the difference between my 2 Atlantis's. (Yeah, yeah, I 
know...it's hard to bitch when you have a loaf of bread under each arm...)

So, Atlantises made by Toyo have chainstays that flare Out at the 
drop-outs, whereas the Taiwan and Waterford chainstays are straight from 
their bend out of the bottom bracket. The presence of a plate between the 
chainstays for a generator or kickstand doesn't help identifying the 
constructor.

Hope it helps. Btw, share the bread...we're all in this together.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Andrew Stevens]

Amazing amazing photos! Thanks for this!

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:15:04 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Now that's a Rivbike in its proper environment. Nice work, Jason! 
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>> region. 
>>
>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>
>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>
>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>
>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>
>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>
>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
>> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
>> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>
>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>
>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>
>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>
>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>> lichen covered trees. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>
>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>> the rest of the evening! 
>>
>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Joe Shoemaker Music]

I’m with ya. I reeeally want to put the lugged nitto seatpost on my 
Appaloosa to match my lugged stem, because in vein and OCD about that stuff 
:), but it’s just not in the cards. Oh well 
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I would argue that ignoring modern MTBs and "all the proprietary crap" is 
> a long way from establishing there is a standard seatpost size in the 
> bicycle industry. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:19:49 AM UTC-8 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> I was also disappointed to learn my Hillborne used a 26.8. What a 
>> frustrating choice, since seat post diameter is one of the few things in 
>> the bicycling industry that is *almost* standard nowadays (ignoring the 
>> sizes in use on modern MTB, plus all the proprietary crap). Then here comes 
>> Riv using something else! And instead of picking a size with some sort of 
>> tangible benefit, they picked a seemingly random one used infrequently 3+ 
>> decades ago. It's a bit eye-rolling, really, for all of Riv's talk over the 
>> years bemoaning the fickleness of the industry they then spec the 
>> strangest, most hard to find post diameters (30.0 on a custom?? Really? I'd 
>> return it!).
>>
>> Here's a controversial statement: being the only frame manufacturer using 
>> a dead/rare post size is almost no different than using a proprietary seat 
>> post. 
>> On Wednesday, 25 November 2020 at 22:05:42 UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> Mr The Snag, I am very interested in seeing your mountain mixte with the 
>>> dropper post. I think droppers are better than bread; it’s a shame 
>>> Rivendell specs pinner seat posts.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:48:56 PM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:
>>>
 Yes. It was quite the chore to put a dropper post on my Mtn mixte. 
 Funny how that .4mm makes such a difference in options.

 On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
 Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:38:51 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>
>> The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, 
>> well then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good 
>> gets, 
>> and I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim 
>> on 
>> my Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)
>
>
> While what you said about the Nitto S83 is arguably true, the OP was 
> lamenting that he couldn't use a suspension seatpost he likes that is 
> only 
> available in the much more common 27.2mm size. No S83 is going to replace 
> a 
> suspension seatpost if a suspension seatpost is what you want.
>
> Nevertheless, vintage U.S.E. suspension seatposts do occasionally 
> become available on eBay. I don't know if those are adequate replacements 
> though.
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[Clayton Stahnke]

Just wanted to give kudos Dan for introducing Edgevale to my life. I 
ordered one of their flannels along with the chambray shirts and it is one 
of the nicest, most-perfect-fitting shirts I have purchased in a long time! 
Immediately ordered a second one with their Black Friday discount.

-Clayton

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 10:10:43 AM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:

> Yep, large shrinks down to a standard large. Stoked, it's a nice shirt!
>
> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 7:23:44 PM UTC-8 Ray Evans wrote:
>
>> Folks, the oversized stock medium shrinks down to a perfect medium. Just 
>> like the website says. No worries, really nice shirt. This is the way we 
>> used to roll in the old days, shrink to fit.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 6:14 PM Paul Richardson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if this is a medium, it's the largest medium of all time.  i measure 22" 
>>> pit-to-pit and 31" from the collar to the bottom of the shirt (measured on 
>>> the back).  we'll see what a wash and dry does but man i shoulda gone with 
>>> the small.  sleeves are 21" pit-to-cuff.  fabric seems real nice.
>>>
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 7:55:31 PM UTC-5 The Snag wrote:
>>>
 I just got my large today and I'm not convinced that it's going to 
 shrink down enough for me. If someone had a medium that doesn't fit I 
 might 
 be interested. And if you're looking for a large.

 On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 10:14:17 AM UTC-8 diekaiser wrote:

> So I just got my medium yesterday. It fits like a large so hopefully 
> it shrinks down. I normally wear in between a small and medium so it's 
> always a dice roll for me.
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:27:19 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave and Benz. I found it. Tricky!
>> New shirts are on the way.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 1:58:36 PM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, 
>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>
>>> Be aware that at least on my browser, the itty bitty ruler icon that 
>>> David talked about goes away once you start clicking on the other 
>>> sizes. If 
>>> that happens, just reload the page and don't touch the size icons. I'm 
>>> using Safari (not exactly a rare browser at 13% or so market share) so 
>>> I 
>>> think it's just shoddy configuration on their part.
>>>
>>> To loop back to my question, I measured a few shirts and they're all 
>>> around 20" wide, buttoned, and that's equivalent to about 40" 
>>> circumference/chest. I don't think I'm a particularly small fella 
>>> (5'10"/160), so that's why I asked for a confirmation from those who 
>>> actually have these shirts, especially as they are "Final Sale".
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:39:20 AM UTC-8 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>>
 Paul — There’s an itty, bitty graphic image of a ruler that links 
 to the sizing chart for each shirt. The chambray “Small” is about ¾” 
 larger 
 than the other small shirts. Perhaps because it shrinks in laundering 
 and 
 the others are pre-shrunk fabric?
 I ordered a Small Railroad short sleeve. Ships from Texas.

 David Lipsky in Berkeley, CA


 On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton 
 wrote:

> Hey Benz,
> Can you link to where you found those measurements? I'm almost 
> always between sizes, but I can find them on their site or on Google.
>
> Thanks for the tip Dan. These look like great shirts, just in time 
> for new shirt season!
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:43:52 AM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan, is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 
>> 42.25", which is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a 
>> small. 
>> Is that the "Riv fit" you're talking about?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:48:26 AM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>>
>>> Edgevale has their chambray shirt from last year on close out 
>>> for $34. I have been really happy with this shirt. The fabric is 
>>> not 
>>> pre-shrunk but a good wash and dry gets it to a perfect Riv fit - 
>>> not 
>>> fitted with room to move. At $89 they were a good deal. At $34 it 
>>> is a 
>>> crazy good deal. 
>>>
>>> https://edgevaleusa.com/collections/sale/products/elwell-chambray
>>>
>>> Sewn in the US from Japanese fabric. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> San Rafael CA
>>>
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[RBW] Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Alberto Robador]

I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it compares 
to the Bosco

Cheers,
Alberto

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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Nick Payne]

The seattube on steel frames is 1-1/8" (28.6mm) external diameter. If the 
builder uses 0.7mm wall thickness for the seattube, that gives 27.2mm 
internal diameter; 0.9mm gives 26.8mm.

I found that the 26.8mm seatpost supplied with my Appaloosa was a slightly 
loose fit in the seattube, and as I already had a nice Suntour Superbe Pro 
post in 27.0, I reamed the seattube slightly to take that seatpost.

Nick

David Person
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I sure wish Riv hadn't changed the seat post diameter from 27.2mm to 26.8mm 
on their frames. Doing so really limits the available seat post options. 
 One particular suspension seat post I use is only available in 27.2mm. 
 Baffles me why Riv chose to do that.  Glad I got my Hillborne before the 
change, but rules out an Appaloosa as my next bike.

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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

Unfortunately I'm not Bill I'm just dumb-old Joe and you already know I'm 
entirely besotted with this bicycle and my approval is assumed, so we shall 
move on to works in progress. One thing you COULD do if there's a decent 
wheel builder in the pro bro mountain bike shop is buy those rose rims when 
they're available, ride your current ones for a year-or-so, then put the 
new ones on. Is that crazy? Not any crazier than most of the changes and 
upgrades we do around here, that's what *I* say! 

Joe "yes, she wore out these rims on Killer Hill in a year, it's time for 
new ones" Bernard 

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:18:38 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I picked up my bike (again) from the shop with newly “Riv-versed” 
> (perfect term coined by Mark Roland) levers and shifters. We need one more 
> adjustment to the left shifter (it’s not ergonomic; points to the ground, 
> making it impossible to thumb) and it’s good.
>
> Well...I’m anodizing a bunch of stuff from Analog again, so I suppose it’s 
> only done for NOW. When I forewent the rose rims that took most of the rose 
> out of my build, so I need to add some back in and tie it in with the teal. 
> I thought I would be done and riding off into the sunset and not thinking 
> on appearances anymore, but I’m finding it’s a process.
>
> The rack situation is a strange one. I barely have a fistful of seat post 
> and will likely need the large Nitto Rear Rack and am crossing my fingers 
> it doesn’t come up too high. I don’t want to make my bike heavier, but it’s 
> unnerving not being able to carry anything. I like the front without a 
> rack; I’ve always wanted a bike set up that way,  it it was impractical. I 
> have and like the light over the fork. So, I’ll most likely get the rear 
> rack.
>
> Tonight I got to set up my bars how I wanted them. I had bought and stowed 
> a beautiful little Spurcycle bell and iPhone mount for this raspberry bike. 
> My old mirror for my Betty Foy was installed, and finally, a string of 
> Christmas lights. I don’t know that I’ll keep the Bananasax, I just can’t 
> seem to work with it. I’ll keep trying. Clearly, the bike is not finished, 
> but it’s PROGRESS.
>
> Now, where is that Bill Lindsay guy - I want him to say APPROVE.
> Leah 
>

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Re: [RBW] Comparing Rivendell Bikes to the old Bridgestones: Has anyone here experienced both a Rambouillet and an RB-T?

[Nathan Mattia]

I had a 1992 50cm RB-T that was too small for me, no matter what I did to 
it.  It was my first Bridgestone.  It felt neither lively, nor spritely.  

But for some reason, this 56cm RB-T (same year) most definitely feels 
supple.  I haven't ridden enough to know if it's planing or not, but my 
guess would be no. It's just a lot faster than my Hillborne and my 
Expedition.   Both were 700c wheels with stock parts.  It may be 
counter-intuitive, but I think the larger frame helps with the feel.  

It's just interesting to me that the 92 Bridgestone Catalog describes the 
RB-T as being their Road-ish fire-trail capable bike, pretty much just like 
Riv is describing a Sam Hillborne now.  But the bikes are not the same.

I would like to try a Ram sometime, or even a Roadini.  I think I would 
still want Moustache bars, though.  I can't stand the posture of drops.

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've not ridden an RBT, but I have extensively ridden a blue-model (later 
> one, I think, with more tire clearance) Ram and I *think* you'll find it 
> spritely. Mine didn't "plane" for me that way that the best frames I've 
> ridden have*, but it didn't at all feel sluggish in acceleration or for 
> that matter handling, tho' I did prefer the slightly quicker turn-in of my 
> 26" wheel road bikes.
>
> I don't know the tubing specs, but I doubt they were especially 
> thick-walled.
>
> *I use "planing" provisionally; in my case it might not be planing as Jan 
> describes it; it's just that some bikes encourage "1 cog smaller". The Ram 
> didn't, but again, it didn't ever feel as if it held me back.
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:46 AM Nathan Mattia  wrote:
>
>>
>> *Has anyone here ridden both the Rambouillet AND an RB-T?  *Looking at 
>> it’s geometry, the RB-T is very similar to geometry of a Rivendell 
>> Rambouillet, more than a Hillborne or a Homer. 
>>
>> My RB-T is 56cm, so that's what I'm comparing and I was struck by the 
>> similarities to the Rambouillet.  Note the level top-tube, similar 
>> Standover heights, Seat-tube and Head-tube angles,  bottom bracket drop, 
>> and chainstay lengths.  Do they ride similarly?  I don’t know.  But they 
>> look almost the same.
>>
>> [image: IMG_5225.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5226.jpeg]
>>
>>  In Rivendell Reader 32 from the Spring of 2004, Grant Petersen recalls 
>> his time at Bridgestone and makes these proclamations:
>>
>> “Set up a scale from 1 to 100, and let’s agree to call our current 
>> Rivendell customs a 100, and a Magna (department store) mountain bike a 5.
>>
>> The high-end Bstones were 45s, and the middle ones were 35s. [Let’s call 
>> an RB-T a “40” then, in Grant’s estimation]. Comparably priced production 
>> bikes in the late ‘80s and ‘90s were in the low 30s. Some of the better 
>> production bikes in the early ‘80s—especially ’81 through ’85 (Specialized 
>> Expedition, Sequoia, Centurion Dave Scott, Miyata 600)—were in the low 50s, 
>> about 55. The Toyo-built bikes are 87s. “  
>>
>> Given this scale, I’d actually put the RB-T closer to a 75.  It's that 
>> good.  
>> If Grant wanted to place it in the Riv lineup today and move it up to an 
>> 87, he’d just add 2 cm to the stays, put more eyelets on the frame for 
>> racks and give it slightly bigger tire clearances.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-11-20 at 11.00.47 PM.png]
>>
>> Here’s what I know:  I like the flexiness of the RB-T frame.  I like how 
>> quickly it gets up to speed.  I like to push it around downhill curves.  It 
>> is NOT the work of art that is my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.   I take Samwise 
>> when I want to forget about the effort of the ride and become one with the 
>> beauty all around me.  I take the RB-T when I want to go fast and become 
>> one with my bike.
>>
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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Philip Williamson]

That’s great, The Snag! I’m glad you didn’t file down the pointy seat lug. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:20:10 AM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:

> Philip, 
> I bought a 27.2 KS Lev with 65mm of travel and sanded down the post until 
> it fit snug in the 26.8 seat tube. I have zero safety concerns about 
> shaving off .4mm, these things are made for extreme riding that I won't 
> come close to. I briefly considered cutting off the pointy tip of the seat 
> tube lug but I knew I'd regret it so I ended up carving out the collar on 
> the post, which worked out just fine. I'm not a big fan of the majority of 
> new MTB products but if anyone has a mountain/hilly bike and goes downhill 
> on occasion, then that bike should have a dropper post.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 6:06:32 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> My 1st batch Clementine 52 uses a 29.8 seatpost. I am surprised that the 
>> use of varied seatpost diameters causes so much heartache here, but I rode 
>> French bikes in the seventies, which used different size seat tubes and top 
>> tubes than "normal", so I am used to having to look a little harder to find 
>> the components that I want - try finding French diameter front derailleurs. 
>> At least we have the internet and search engines now which makes it much, 
>> much easier - the 30.0 Campy Icarus seatpost on my custom came from Italy. 
>> It may not have been my 1st choice in seatpost, but now that I have it, I 
>> am rather fond of it's uniqueness - a good complement to my one of a kind 
>> Brooks B-678 saddle.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0687 (3).jpg]
>> Note that honing out a seat tube 0.2 or 0.15 mm with a brake cylinder 
>> hone is not going to make a big difference in frame strength. You only have 
>> to hone enough to make the make the seatpost fit, and only as deep as 
>> necessary. if you only hone as much as necessary (a 27.2 seatpost isn't 
>> necessarily 27.2, it may be only 27.1 - 27.15), once bolted in, the 
>> seatpost is in contact with the frame and acts as an internal 
>> reinforcement. Current production Rivendell tubes are plenty thick. My 1st 
>> Sam H used a 27.2 seatpost which meant its tube thickness was thinner than 
>> my second Sam H that used a 26.8 seatpost (the outer diameter of the tubes 
>> is the same).
>> I honed out the 27.0 ID seat tube in my Bombadil to 27.1 or 27.15 or so, 
>> in order to get the Nitto 27.2 lugged setback seatpost to fit. I weigh 
>> ~280. No problems. Note that the Bombadil seatpost never, ever slips.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delary Beach FL
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Eric: FWIW: I'm not very heavy, but I have experienced seatpost slippage 
>>> with undersized seatposts, and I've cured them with 2 proprietary 
>>> near-liquids: blue Loctite in the case of a Syncros ti seatpost, and that 
>>> gel with roughish bits in it meant to be used with CF seatposts, this for 
>>> the current (silver) Dura Ace 74?? on my recent Matthews, and the cheap 
>>> (anodized) OEM on the current Monocog. I hear that Loctite even makes a 
>>> solution meant for preventing slippage that's not the blue.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 6:42 AM EricP  wrote:
>>>
 Well, if it needs to be said (and it doesn't) I'm also not overly happy 
 about the larger Clem using a 29.8 seatpost size. But in this case it's 
 purely personal. Wanted a Thomson setback post in black for the bike and 
 that is one size they only do straight. Ended up finding a used Uno in 
 black on eBay. It does work, but it's not as nice as the Thomson.

 Oh, and for those who wonder why do this? I'm fat and have found over 
 the years that most anodized seatposts seem to slip less than regular 
 silver versions. I also automatically replaced the stock bolt and nylock 
 nut with a different bolt and regular nut so I can torque the lug tighter. 
 Still doesn't totally stop slipping. But does slow it down to a reasonable 
 level.

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[RBW] Re: WTT: 58cm Bosco Bullmoose for Nitto Big Back Rack - Large 33R

[J Imler]

I'm looking for the Large 33R model.
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/nitto-big-back-rack-large-33r-20021

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-8 Rob H. wrote:

> Hi J
>
> Which version of the big back rack are you looking for?
>
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> I would like to trade my very good condition Bosco Bullmoose bars for 
>> your like Nitto Big Back Rack. I am near RBW HQ if you are local, which 
>> would be preferred over shipping.  PM for pics and discussion. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Joe Bernard]

It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't interfere 
with v-brakes. 


On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the bag when 
> full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong braking. I 
> think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps V brakes aren't 
> so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the medium Saddlesack, 
> temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on the new Matthews road 
> bike, really does interfere with the action of the rear cantilever. 
> Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.
>
> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than Carradice-design 
> saddlebags.
>
> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a real 
> thing.
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Of course it's sold out! 臘
>>
>> Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
>> saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some people 
>> (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless saddlebag. 
>>> If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load it up and 
>>> have it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. A 
>>> grid-gray Bag Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
 enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the 
 limitations 
 of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my 
 down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack 
 will work without needing a rack...

 Sent from my iPad

 On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
 kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 The correct answer is:
 "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
 Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving 
 it your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
 especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks 
 now.
 -Kai

 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:

> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>>
> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could 
> still 
> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender 
> to 
> the rack mounting point.
> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar 
> with some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches 
> the 
> Nitto silver)
> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the 
> rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up 
> front 
> mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more 
> than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and 
> I 
> am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just 
> prior 
> to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the 
> extra 
> weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight, 
> whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front 
> racks typically have a more forward mounting position for your light 
> which 
> I really appreciate.
>   
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Patrick Moore]

One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the bag when
full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong braking. I
think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps V brakes aren't
so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the medium Saddlesack,
temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on the new Matthews road
bike, really does interfere with the action of the rear cantilever.
Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.

I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than Carradice-design
saddlebags.

Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a real
thing.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Of course it's sold out! 臘
>
> Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a
> saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some people
> (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless saddlebag. If
>> it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load it up and have
>> it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. A grid-gray Bag
>> Boy to match your Banana Bag should work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve
>>> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations
>>> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my
>>> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack
>>> will work without needing a rack...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The correct answer is:
>>> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely"
>>> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving
>>> it your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley
>>> especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>>
 Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>
 A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack.
 (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could still
 use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender to
 the rack mounting point.
 B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar
 with some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the
 Nitto silver)
 C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the
 rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up front
 mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more
 than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and I
 am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just prior
 to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the extra
 weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight,
 whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
 IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front
 racks typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which
 I really appreciate.


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Joe Bernard]

Of course it's sold out! 臘

Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a saddlebag 
that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some people (I'm one 
of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless saddlebag. If 
> it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load it up and have 
> it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. A grid-gray Bag 
> Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
>> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations 
>> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my 
>> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack 
>> will work without needing a rack...
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> The correct answer is:
>> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
>> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving 
>> it your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
>> especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:

>>> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
>>> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could still 
>>> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender to 
>>> the rack mounting point.
>>> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar 
>>> with some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the 
>>> Nitto silver)
>>> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the 
>>> rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up front 
>>> mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more 
>>> than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and I 
>>> am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just prior 
>>> to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the extra 
>>> weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight, 
>>> whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
>>> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front racks 
>>> typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which I 
>>> really appreciate.
>>>   
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Patrick Moore]

What about a Tubus Fly Stainless Steel? 14 oz, I think, and can carry 40
lb. Steve Bilenky is modifying one for my new 26" wheel road bike. Not
quite as pretty as a Nitto, but light and pretty enough for the Platypus.

Or, sure, go rackless with a saddlebag. I can't really tell how much
distance there is between your saddle rails and the top of your fender, but
certainly a small Saddlesack should fit, and perhaps even a Medium (or the
Happisack or whatever they call it nowadays) with the right attachment
mechanism; the Carradice SQR is not a thing of beauty but it can hold the
bag higher than if attached to the saddle loops, indeed, raise it above the
top of the saddle. Carradice also make a special, low-profile model
saddlebag with the capacity of a Nelson, 16 liters, meant to be used with
the SQR, and which will indeed fit in tight spaces between tire and saddle;
this is the Super C Slim. Black and not exactly as pretty as a Happysack,
but easy to remove when not being used.

Finally, what about a bikepacking saddlebag like those Revelate makes?
Light, require no external supports but do pretty well at self supporting,
roll up small, and when extended carry very surprising amounts for their
bulk. I have a similar but smaller bag made by someone else that I forget
that unrolls to 9 liters, the same as the Carradice Junior, but is far
lighter and -- when rolled up -- far smaller.

But I'd hold out for the right rack; with a rack, at least, you can easily
remove the panniers when you don't need them, harder to do quickly with
saddlebags.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 12:32 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve
> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations
> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my
> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack
> will work without needing a rack...
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Leah Peterson]

Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless saddlebag. If 
> it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load it up and have it 
> rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. A grid-gray Bag Boy 
> to match your Banana Bag should work. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve enjoyed 
>> its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations of going 
>> rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my down vest. 
>> Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack will work 
>> without needing a rack...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> The correct answer is:
>>> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
>>> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving it 
>>> your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
>>> especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
>>> -Kai
>>> 
 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could 
> still use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the 
> fender to the rack mounting point.
> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar with 
> some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the 
> Nitto silver)
> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the 
> rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up 
> front mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so 
> more than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently 
> do) and I am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike 
> just prior to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't 
> miss the extra weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with 
> excess weight, whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front racks 
> typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which I 
> really appreciate.
>   
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Joe Bernard]

I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless saddlebag. If 
it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load it up and have 
it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. A grid-gray Bag 
Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 



On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations 
> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my 
> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack 
> will work without needing a rack...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> The correct answer is:
> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving it 
> your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
> especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>
>> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>>>
>> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
>> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could still 
>> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender to 
>> the rack mounting point.
>> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar with 
>> some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the 
>> Nitto silver)
>> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the 
>> rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up front 
>> mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more 
>> than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and I 
>> am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just prior 
>> to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the extra 
>> weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight, 
>> whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
>> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front racks 
>> typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which I 
>> really appreciate.
>>   
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Edwin W]

Regarding FOGRRL (Fear of going rear rack-less, rhymes with "you go girl"), 
I suffer from the same. So I always have a rear rack - Pletscher, Racktime, 
I've had a number. These days, with a Mark's rack and walk basket up front, 
I rarely ever use the rear rack except to hold my rear dynamo light! Which 
would not apply to you, of course.

Keep us updated with what you come up with,

Edwin

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations 
> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my 
> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack 
> will work without needing a rack...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> The correct answer is:
> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving it 
> your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
> especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>
>> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>>>
>> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
>> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could still 
>> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender to 
>> the rack mounting point.
>> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar with 
>> some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the 
>> Nitto silver)
>> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the 
>> rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up front 
>> mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more 
>> than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and I 
>> am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just prior 
>> to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the extra 
>> weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight, 
>> whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
>> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front racks 
>> typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which I 
>> really appreciate.
>>   
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Leah Peterson]

Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve enjoyed its 
lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations of going 
rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my down vest. 
Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack will work without 
needing a rack...

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The correct answer is:
> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving it 
> your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
> especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
> -Kai
> 
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
>> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could still 
>> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender to 
>> the rack mounting point.
>> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar with 
>> some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the Nitto 
>> silver)
>> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the rear 
>> rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up front 
>> mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more than 
>> enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and I am 
>> guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just prior to 
>> my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the extra 
>> weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight, 
>> whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
>> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front racks 
>> typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which I 
>> really appreciate.
>>   
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The correct answer is:
"C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving it 
your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
-Kai

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:

> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>>
> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could still 
> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender to 
> the rack mounting point.
> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar with 
> some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the 
> Nitto silver)
> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the rear 
> rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up front 
> mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more 
> than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and I 
> am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just prior 
> to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the extra 
> weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight, 
> whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front racks 
> typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which I 
> really appreciate.
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[RBW] Re: WTT: 58cm Bosco Bullmoose for Nitto Big Back Rack - Large 33R

[Rob H.]

Hi J

Which version of the big back rack are you looking for?

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:43:26 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> I would like to trade my very good condition Bosco Bullmoose bars for your 
> like Nitto Big Back Rack. I am near RBW HQ if you are local, which would be 
> preferred over shipping.  PM for pics and discussion. 
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Joel Stern]

No problem Patrick.  My daughter may or may not have had the virus in
April, before much was known. She is in CA and has Kaiser, they never
tested her, hardly have her any meds just an inhaler. I finally sent a
zpack that I had in the house to her and that seemed to help so maybe it
was just a bronchial thing. Too much misinformation to no information to
really know.

Be safe

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for the alert, Joel. No need for a purchase link; I'll continue to
> use the base-model masks and my new (to be delivered today) Buff neck
> gaiter, this one doubled over to prevent sneeze spray. I use masks for
> other people, mostly, and for social courtesy, less to keep myself safe,
> for which I rely on distance and basic sanitation. I may buy one of those
> Cahart masks, though, since they're cheap.
>
> My ex has come down with a bad case of COVID and she's on oxygen (I talked
> to her yesterday; bad case but not critical; she's at home, treating
> herself; she's a **very** good MD) and my daughter has a mild case, so I
> take the disease seriously, FWIW.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:05 AM Joel S  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, this is an interesting one.  Washable and reusable at least 55
>> times, maybe more.  Supposedly can kill viruses.  I ordered 3 for the
>> family to try.  Here is info, I can get you a link, they are on sale till
>> end of today.
>>
>> https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-made-mask-eliminates-over-99-percent-of-coronavirus-lab-tests-suggest-644434?utm_source=outbrain_medium=referral=v1-883906e95517af8172df621b3f87de66-00e5c8beb12345f2f8860147721838ab85-mztgmztdgjtdelldgm2tkljumu2wiljzmq2tqljrmu2taobrgfstondgmy
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:27:42 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The video that David posted of Mz Cool stopping by Rivendell was
>>> interesting for various reasons, but one in particular is her way of using
>>> what looks to be a scarf as a COVID mask that can be kept sub-chin while
>>> riding but quickly pulled up in public.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done this? Can he-er-she describe the scarf, how you put it
>>> on, and how you manipulate it?
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=629
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=698
>>>
>>> Anyway, her scarf is much more pleasant to look at than your average
>>> mask; far less of a disfigurement.
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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Rosco Dropper!
Very nice bicycle..
-Kai

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:20:10 AM UTC-5 The Snag wrote:

> Philip, 
> I bought a 27.2 KS Lev with 65mm of travel and sanded down the post until 
> it fit snug in the 26.8 seat tube. I have zero safety concerns about 
> shaving off .4mm, these things are made for extreme riding that I won't 
> come close to. I briefly considered cutting off the pointy tip of the seat 
> tube lug but I knew I'd regret it so I ended up carving out the collar on 
> the post, which worked out just fine. I'm not a big fan of the majority of 
> new MTB products but if anyone has a mountain/hilly bike and goes downhill 
> on occasion, then that bike should have a dropper post.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 6:06:32 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> My 1st batch Clementine 52 uses a 29.8 seatpost. I am surprised that the 
>> use of varied seatpost diameters causes so much heartache here, but I rode 
>> French bikes in the seventies, which used different size seat tubes and top 
>> tubes than "normal", so I am used to having to look a little harder to find 
>> the components that I want - try finding French diameter front derailleurs. 
>> At least we have the internet and search engines now which makes it much, 
>> much easier - the 30.0 Campy Icarus seatpost on my custom came from Italy. 
>> It may not have been my 1st choice in seatpost, but now that I have it, I 
>> am rather fond of it's uniqueness - a good complement to my one of a kind 
>> Brooks B-678 saddle.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0687 (3).jpg]
>> Note that honing out a seat tube 0.2 or 0.15 mm with a brake cylinder 
>> hone is not going to make a big difference in frame strength. You only have 
>> to hone enough to make the make the seatpost fit, and only as deep as 
>> necessary. if you only hone as much as necessary (a 27.2 seatpost isn't 
>> necessarily 27.2, it may be only 27.1 - 27.15), once bolted in, the 
>> seatpost is in contact with the frame and acts as an internal 
>> reinforcement. Current production Rivendell tubes are plenty thick. My 1st 
>> Sam H used a 27.2 seatpost which meant its tube thickness was thinner than 
>> my second Sam H that used a 26.8 seatpost (the outer diameter of the tubes 
>> is the same).
>> I honed out the 27.0 ID seat tube in my Bombadil to 27.1 or 27.15 or so, 
>> in order to get the Nitto 27.2 lugged setback seatpost to fit. I weigh 
>> ~280. No problems. Note that the Bombadil seatpost never, ever slips.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delary Beach FL
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Eric: FWIW: I'm not very heavy, but I have experienced seatpost slippage 
>>> with undersized seatposts, and I've cured them with 2 proprietary 
>>> near-liquids: blue Loctite in the case of a Syncros ti seatpost, and that 
>>> gel with roughish bits in it meant to be used with CF seatposts, this for 
>>> the current (silver) Dura Ace 74?? on my recent Matthews, and the cheap 
>>> (anodized) OEM on the current Monocog. I hear that Loctite even makes a 
>>> solution meant for preventing slippage that's not the blue.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 6:42 AM EricP  wrote:
>>>
 Well, if it needs to be said (and it doesn't) I'm also not overly happy 
 about the larger Clem using a 29.8 seatpost size. But in this case it's 
 purely personal. Wanted a Thomson setback post in black for the bike and 
 that is one size they only do straight. Ended up finding a used Uno in 
 black on eBay. It does work, but it's not as nice as the Thomson.

 Oh, and for those who wonder why do this? I'm fat and have found over 
 the years that most anodized seatposts seem to slip less than regular 
 silver versions. I also automatically replaced the stock bolt and nylock 
 nut with a different bolt and regular nut so I can torque the lug tighter. 
 Still doesn't totally stop slipping. But does slow it down to a reasonable 
 level.

>>>
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[RBW] Re: 53cm Atlantis f/f/hs + extra parts

[i]

This sold off list


On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:19:00 PM UTC-5 s...@austin.utexas.edu 
wrote:

> I am possibly interested if this is for sale again (is that what I am 
> reading here?). I think it maybe a bit tall for me, but I like frames to 
> show only a fistful of post. My pbh is 78cm. A (2014) 51 cm might be 
> better, but maybe a 53 could work. I currently ride a 51 San Marcos and a 
> 52cm Soma Saga.
>
> Sean
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 4:49:19 PM UTC-6 belopol...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, bit of a catch and release here, the frame feels a bit small for 
>> me wanting to use upright bars. I am contemplating a sale
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 11:30:00 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate you selling it before I saw the ad, cheers.  
>>>
>>> Phew, 
>>> Jason in Vancouver 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 27 October 2020 at 17:32:47 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>>

 The Atlantis has been sold.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL
 On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 12:33:39 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> 2014 Waterford built 26-inch wheel size, f/f/hs plus extras. I am the 
> original owner. Frame is in mint condition; no dings or abuse. There is a 
> visible scratch (see photo) on the seat tube where the derailleur was 
> located. Color is the same gray that was used on the early editions of 
> the 
> Hunqapillar. Never used for touring or off-road riding. Always stored 
> inside.
>
> $1,200. UPS shipping included.
>
> Specifications: ST: 72.5 deg. HT: 72 deg. Effect. TT: 55cm. SO: 78.9 
> (my pbh is 79-80cm)
>
> Chainstay length: 46cm.
>
> *Parts included in the sale:*
>
> Shimano CX-70 brakes with Kool Stop pads (new on the front, not shown 
> in the photo); straddle cables with holders.
>
> New, never built pair of Sun CR-18 26-inch rims. Widths: 23mm 
> external, 17mm internal.
>
> Tires: Rene Herse Naches Pass 26 x 1.8, new never mounted. Panaracer 
> Pro-Tite 26 x 1.75 (350 miles). 
>
> Framesaver: Boshield newly applied.
>
> Photos in the link below. Any questions or more photos just let me 
> know. 
>
> Payment: PayPal preferred.
>
> Thanks very much for looking!
>
> Best, Rich in ATL
>
> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPUA2JV7v2V3RW-yLXYmnGUg1G5OJYU3kAbYPNEgnweMsTFX5tcrHHSHFddMA2OOA?key=RmR0TDZ0eWtwMmFKdnY3S01BbGtDRG51T0tFaTFB
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Paul Richardson]

thanks for posting this.  really enjoyed reading it and these photos look 
like fern gully.  wish i had easy access to that kinda wildness!

paul
takoma park, md.

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:41:49 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Wow! Amazing loop! thanks for sharing! You mention bears and cougars, do 
> you ever carry bear spray? 
> Scott
>
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:02:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Very pretty photos. One of my favorite kinds of riding is dirt or gravel 
>> roads or trails that are not technical, just like those you show. I live 
>> close to a lot of them, but ours are sandy; tossup whether I'd prefer sand 
>> or mud. 
>>
>> This moves me to resolve to explore more of our trails north of where I 
>> live, and spend half a day doing that, sometime soon!
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>>> region. 
>>>
>>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>>
>>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>>
>>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was 
>>> only about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to 
>>> the west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm 
>>> now. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>>
>>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>>
>>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>>> lichen covered trees. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>>
>>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>>> the rest of the evening! 
>>>
>>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Patrick Moore]

Slight tangent: Nice Clem mountain bike. What bar are you using?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 7:06 AM lconley  wrote:

> My 1st batch Clementine 52 uses a 29.8 seatpost


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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the alert, Joel. No need for a purchase link; I'll continue to
use the base-model masks and my new (to be delivered today) Buff neck
gaiter, this one doubled over to prevent sneeze spray. I use masks for
other people, mostly, and for social courtesy, less to keep myself safe,
for which I rely on distance and basic sanitation. I may buy one of those
Cahart masks, though, since they're cheap.

My ex has come down with a bad case of COVID and she's on oxygen (I talked
to her yesterday; bad case but not critical; she's at home, treating
herself; she's a **very** good MD) and my daughter has a mild case, so I
take the disease seriously, FWIW.



On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:05 AM Joel S  wrote:

> Patrick, this is an interesting one.  Washable and reusable at least 55
> times, maybe more.  Supposedly can kill viruses.  I ordered 3 for the
> family to try.  Here is info, I can get you a link, they are on sale till
> end of today.
>
> https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-made-mask-eliminates-over-99-percent-of-coronavirus-lab-tests-suggest-644434?utm_source=outbrain_medium=referral=v1-883906e95517af8172df621b3f87de66-00e5c8beb12345f2f8860147721838ab85-mztgmztdgjtdelldgm2tkljumu2wiljzmq2tqljrmu2taobrgfstondgmy
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:27:42 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The video that David posted of Mz Cool stopping by Rivendell was
>> interesting for various reasons, but one in particular is her way of using
>> what looks to be a scarf as a COVID mask that can be kept sub-chin while
>> riding but quickly pulled up in public.
>>
>> Has anyone done this? Can he-er-she describe the scarf, how you put it
>> on, and how you manipulate it?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=629
>>
>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=698
>>
>> Anyway, her scarf is much more pleasant to look at than your average
>> mask; far less of a disfigurement.
>>
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[RBW] 26" continues to live

[Patrick Moore]

RH has a new 26" knobby

https://www.renehersecycles.com/journal/?utm_source=Retail+Customer+Newsletter_campaign=79789b4536-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_11_29_COPY_01_medium=email_term=0_f74fbd5ca8-79789b4536-104689713_cid=79789b4536_eid=aef46c5c70

Reports of 26's demise were premature.



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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Ben Mihovk]

Close but not e-bike version...I wonder if the sound and experience that 
you love about your preferred brake pads has to do with that specific 
compound Kool Stop uses to make them...here's what I found on their 
website...

Black - Our standard compound which is great for all weather conditions, 
but designed for dry condition riding.
Salmon - Our most famous Salmon compound is also one of our most aggressive 
compounds for extreme all weather conditions especially in the wet, but 
still superb in the dry.
Electric- Our E-Electric compound is formulated specifically for the higher 
speeds and weights of electric bicycles.

To me...the Salmon not only looks the best, but I also like the idea of 
superior wet control...but if I use the most aggressive compound and only 
sometimes find myself riding in wet conditions, am I putting unneeded wear 
on my rims? Maybe a topic for another thread.



On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ben, like these?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>
> Ah...I see. On my previous bike that came with just garbage components 
> (it was a $400 complete bike, so hey...not complaining), I switched out the 
> pads for Kool Stops and noticed a total lack of residue on the rims. I read 
> Grant's description on the website for the e-bike brakes, and I am 
> definitely interested...I wonder if you can get the e-bike pads in salmon...
>
>
> Ben
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:27:43 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ben, thank you! I’m so glad to have people to share this experience with; 
>> it truly makes it richer.
>>
>> I always swap out brake pads for the Kool Stops. They are fantastic, last 
>> forever and make the most satisfying sound when you brake. Whatever was on 
>> the bike prior to these was speckling my legs with black dots. These brake 
>> pads have never done that to me. I highly recommend them. Read Riv’s write 
>> up on the product - it will win you over.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>
>> Leah,
>>
>> Just curious...are the Kool Stop brake pads back-ups or do you prefer 
>> them to the ones in the Shimano V-brakes? I have the same brakes/levers 
>> (LOVE THEM) on my Atlantis, so I just wanted to see if you know something I 
>> don't know! 
>>
>> Thanks for sharing all your pictures, the process (even the frustrating 
>> parts), the excitement, etc... with all of us. It's a lot of fun...almost 
>> like we're all getting this bike with you.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mas, 
>>>
>>> I always neglect to post such details but I should figure folks will 
>>> want to know. So, in answer to your first question, here are the build 
>>> sheets from Analog and Rivendell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got the 55 cm Platypus and it’s just right. It is noticeably shorter 
>>> than the yacht-like Clem, but both bikes feel right to me. I will say this: 
>>> that Platypus is WAY lighter than the Clem. I know this because my bike 
>>> path is interrupted and I have to hike the bike across 4 lanes of traffic 
>>> and a median. When I lifted the Platypus it was NOTHING to me. It also 
>>> makes tighter turns - maybe the Clem would, too, but it feels sketchy to me 
>>> so I never do it.  As far as frame sizing, I’m 5’6” with an 81 PBH. I do 
>>> NOT feel stretched out on the Platypus, but I definitely did before my stem 
>>> swap on the Clementine. I wish the top tube was a bit lower on the 
>>> Platypus; I think the big 700c wheels might make it taller than my Betty 
>>> Foy’s top tube. I’ve been spoiled by the step-through of the Clementine; 
>>> the first thing I did when I mounted my new Platypus was kick the top tube 
>>> with my boot heel. 
>>>
>>> The 50 takes 650b wheels.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps! I vote for the mermaid color if you buy a Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2020, at 9:52 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, Sorry if I missed it, but I've seen a stack of parts and I see 
>>> where you've identified or mentioned a few bits here & there, but do you 
>>> have an actual component list?
>>>
>>> Not critical, but I am curious about Rims and tires?
>>> I guess you got the 55cm with the 700C wheels? How does the fit differ 
>>> from your old Med. Clementine?
>>> I have small & Medium Clementine's and honestly I am comfortable on 
>>> either; I was just thinking a 55cm (especially considering the larger 
>>> wheels) might feel too big!? I already barely have a fistful of seatpost on 
>>> my Medium & honestly I prefer more than that. 
>>> I was leaning towards the 55 because I already have a 700C bike that I 
>>> built with all NOS parts that I really haven't ridden and I could easily 
>>> just strip that frame down (it's nothing special) & swap everything over. 
>>> Might take me a couple 

[RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Joel S]

Patrick, this is an interesting one.  Washable and reusable at least 55 
times, maybe more.  Supposedly can kill viruses.  I ordered 3 for the 
family to try.  Here is info, I can get you a link, they are on sale till 
end of today.  
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-made-mask-eliminates-over-99-percent-of-coronavirus-lab-tests-suggest-644434?utm_source=outbrain_medium=referral=v1-883906e95517af8172df621b3f87de66-00e5c8beb12345f2f8860147721838ab85-mztgmztdgjtdelldgm2tkljumu2wiljzmq2tqljrmu2taobrgfstondgmy

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:27:42 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The video that David posted of Mz Cool stopping by Rivendell was 
> interesting for various reasons, but one in particular is her way of using 
> what looks to be a scarf as a COVID mask that can be kept sub-chin while 
> riding but quickly pulled up in public.
>
> Has anyone done this? Can he-er-she describe the scarf, how you put it on, 
> and how you manipulate it?
>
> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=629
>
> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=698
>
> Anyway, her scarf is much more pleasant to look at than your average mask; 
> far less of a disfigurement.
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Ben Mihovk]

I just answered my own question! Kool Stop's brake pad colors are specific 
to their compounds...the e-bike compound is different than the salmon and 
standard black compound. Good to know!

-Ben

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:59:32 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:

> Ah...I see. On my previous bike that came with just garbage components (it 
> was a $400 complete bike, so hey...not complaining), I switched out the 
> pads for Kool Stops and noticed a total lack of residue on the rims. I read 
> Grant's description on the website for the e-bike brakes, and I am 
> definitely interested...I wonder if you can get the e-bike pads in salmon...
>
> Ben
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:27:43 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ben, thank you! I’m so glad to have people to share this experience with; 
>> it truly makes it richer.
>>
>> I always swap out brake pads for the Kool Stops. They are fantastic, last 
>> forever and make the most satisfying sound when you brake. Whatever was on 
>> the bike prior to these was speckling my legs with black dots. These brake 
>> pads have never done that to me. I highly recommend them. Read Riv’s write 
>> up on the product - it will win you over.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>
>> Leah,
>>
>> Just curious...are the Kool Stop brake pads back-ups or do you prefer 
>> them to the ones in the Shimano V-brakes? I have the same brakes/levers 
>> (LOVE THEM) on my Atlantis, so I just wanted to see if you know something I 
>> don't know! 
>>
>> Thanks for sharing all your pictures, the process (even the frustrating 
>> parts), the excitement, etc... with all of us. It's a lot of fun...almost 
>> like we're all getting this bike with you.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mas, 
>>>
>>> I always neglect to post such details but I should figure folks will 
>>> want to know. So, in answer to your first question, here are the build 
>>> sheets from Analog and Rivendell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got the 55 cm Platypus and it’s just right. It is noticeably shorter 
>>> than the yacht-like Clem, but both bikes feel right to me. I will say this: 
>>> that Platypus is WAY lighter than the Clem. I know this because my bike 
>>> path is interrupted and I have to hike the bike across 4 lanes of traffic 
>>> and a median. When I lifted the Platypus it was NOTHING to me. It also 
>>> makes tighter turns - maybe the Clem would, too, but it feels sketchy to me 
>>> so I never do it.  As far as frame sizing, I’m 5’6” with an 81 PBH. I do 
>>> NOT feel stretched out on the Platypus, but I definitely did before my stem 
>>> swap on the Clementine. I wish the top tube was a bit lower on the 
>>> Platypus; I think the big 700c wheels might make it taller than my Betty 
>>> Foy’s top tube. I’ve been spoiled by the step-through of the Clementine; 
>>> the first thing I did when I mounted my new Platypus was kick the top tube 
>>> with my boot heel. 
>>>
>>> The 50 takes 650b wheels.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps! I vote for the mermaid color if you buy a Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2020, at 9:52 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, Sorry if I missed it, but I've seen a stack of parts and I see 
>>> where you've identified or mentioned a few bits here & there, but do you 
>>> have an actual component list?
>>>
>>> Not critical, but I am curious about Rims and tires?
>>> I guess you got the 55cm with the 700C wheels? How does the fit differ 
>>> from your old Med. Clementine?
>>> I have small & Medium Clementine's and honestly I am comfortable on 
>>> either; I was just thinking a 55cm (especially considering the larger 
>>> wheels) might feel too big!? I already barely have a fistful of seatpost on 
>>> my Medium & honestly I prefer more than that. 
>>> I was leaning towards the 55 because I already have a 700C bike that I 
>>> built with all NOS parts that I really haven't ridden and I could easily 
>>> just strip that frame down (it's nothing special) & swap everything over. 
>>> Might take me a couple hours at the most. Sell the old frame and basically 
>>> have an all new bike!! :=) 
>>> If I go the next smaller size I am thinking it would be 650B(?), which 
>>> would also be fine, because I still have 92% of the parts to do that (and 
>>> the majority of my other bikes are 650B), but it would be a bit more work 
>>> (I'd have to build new wheels). Bonus I am assuming the smaller frame would 
>>> be less stretched? The less stretchier the better in my book!!
>>> Your comments about Clem cornering on Instagram made me chuckle, I can 
>>> definitely relate!
>>> I sold my Ogre off a few days ago & I am hoping to sell a couple more, 
>>> before the Platypus's come in in  January! I've been mentally preparing 
>>> myself to settle for a blue or Green one, now that the grim reality of not 
>>> getting one like yours 

Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Ben Mihovk]

Ah...I see. On my previous bike that came with just garbage components (it 
was a $400 complete bike, so hey...not complaining), I switched out the 
pads for Kool Stops and noticed a total lack of residue on the rims. I read 
Grant's description on the website for the e-bike brakes, and I am 
definitely interested...I wonder if you can get the e-bike pads in salmon...

Ben

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:27:43 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ben, thank you! I’m so glad to have people to share this experience with; 
> it truly makes it richer.
>
> I always swap out brake pads for the Kool Stops. They are fantastic, last 
> forever and make the most satisfying sound when you brake. Whatever was on 
> the bike prior to these was speckling my legs with black dots. These brake 
> pads have never done that to me. I highly recommend them. Read Riv’s write 
> up on the product - it will win you over.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
> Just curious...are the Kool Stop brake pads back-ups or do you prefer them 
> to the ones in the Shimano V-brakes? I have the same brakes/levers (LOVE 
> THEM) on my Atlantis, so I just wanted to see if you know something I don't 
> know! 
>
> Thanks for sharing all your pictures, the process (even the frustrating 
> parts), the excitement, etc... with all of us. It's a lot of fun...almost 
> like we're all getting this bike with you.
>
> Ben
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mas, 
>>
>> I always neglect to post such details but I should figure folks will want 
>> to know. So, in answer to your first question, here are the build sheets 
>> from Analog and Rivendell.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I got the 55 cm Platypus and it’s just right. It is noticeably shorter 
>> than the yacht-like Clem, but both bikes feel right to me. I will say this: 
>> that Platypus is WAY lighter than the Clem. I know this because my bike 
>> path is interrupted and I have to hike the bike across 4 lanes of traffic 
>> and a median. When I lifted the Platypus it was NOTHING to me. It also 
>> makes tighter turns - maybe the Clem would, too, but it feels sketchy to me 
>> so I never do it.  As far as frame sizing, I’m 5’6” with an 81 PBH. I do 
>> NOT feel stretched out on the Platypus, but I definitely did before my stem 
>> swap on the Clementine. I wish the top tube was a bit lower on the 
>> Platypus; I think the big 700c wheels might make it taller than my Betty 
>> Foy’s top tube. I’ve been spoiled by the step-through of the Clementine; 
>> the first thing I did when I mounted my new Platypus was kick the top tube 
>> with my boot heel. 
>>
>> The 50 takes 650b wheels.
>>
>> Hope that helps! I vote for the mermaid color if you buy a Platypus!
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2020, at 9:52 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> Leah, Sorry if I missed it, but I've seen a stack of parts and I see 
>> where you've identified or mentioned a few bits here & there, but do you 
>> have an actual component list?
>>
>> Not critical, but I am curious about Rims and tires?
>> I guess you got the 55cm with the 700C wheels? How does the fit differ 
>> from your old Med. Clementine?
>> I have small & Medium Clementine's and honestly I am comfortable on 
>> either; I was just thinking a 55cm (especially considering the larger 
>> wheels) might feel too big!? I already barely have a fistful of seatpost on 
>> my Medium & honestly I prefer more than that. 
>> I was leaning towards the 55 because I already have a 700C bike that I 
>> built with all NOS parts that I really haven't ridden and I could easily 
>> just strip that frame down (it's nothing special) & swap everything over. 
>> Might take me a couple hours at the most. Sell the old frame and basically 
>> have an all new bike!! :=) 
>> If I go the next smaller size I am thinking it would be 650B(?), which 
>> would also be fine, because I still have 92% of the parts to do that (and 
>> the majority of my other bikes are 650B), but it would be a bit more work 
>> (I'd have to build new wheels). Bonus I am assuming the smaller frame would 
>> be less stretched? The less stretchier the better in my book!!
>> Your comments about Clem cornering on Instagram made me chuckle, I can 
>> definitely relate!
>> I sold my Ogre off a few days ago & I am hoping to sell a couple more, 
>> before the Platypus's come in in  January! I've been mentally preparing 
>> myself to settle for a blue or Green one, now that the grim reality of not 
>> getting one like yours has been made sadly apparent. :=(  
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[greenteadrinkers]

Wow! Amazing loop! thanks for sharing! You mention bears and cougars, do 
you ever carry bear spray? 
Scott

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:02:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Very pretty photos. One of my favorite kinds of riding is dirt or gravel 
> roads or trails that are not technical, just like those you show. I live 
> close to a lot of them, but ours are sandy; tossup whether I'd prefer sand 
> or mud. 
>
> This moves me to resolve to explore more of our trails north of where I 
> live, and spend half a day doing that, sometime soon!
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>> region. 
>>
>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>
>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>
>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>
>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>
>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>
>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
>> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
>> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>
>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>
>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>
>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>
>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>> lichen covered trees. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>
>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>> the rest of the evening! 
>>
>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Building of a Platypus: A Diary

[Shoji Takahashi]

Late to the party, though I've seen v nice pics on IG. 

Gorgeous bike... that raspberry is perfect. And the blue ano pedals are 
just like platy-feet.

Seems like this LBS is a good one: humble, willing to listen and learn, and 
trying to please. I like how they didn't think the kickstand bolt was 
attractive enough for the build. That's attention to detail! 

Tailwinds, LP!
shoji
Arlington MA



On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:15:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Mike - SON something or other on the tail light. And Edelux II on the 
> headlight! Thanks!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 27, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
> Stunning, I love that color, and the combo with teal. OK, but what tail 
> light is that?
>
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:31:54 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> " ...double hearts, one on the head tube and one only an inch away on the 
>> down tube, "
>>
>> I meant the double hearts are on the head tube and top tube (which slopes 
>> down),
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:30:16 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> It’s  just beautiful, and the proportions with the 700c wheels look 
>>> perfect to my eyes. Love the teal pedals, what a great amount of color. I 
>>> think though my favorite feature is the double hearts, one on the head tube 
>>> and one only an inch away on the down tube, both facing the rider.  Leah, 
>>> perhaps you can get a closeup of that?
>>>
>>> Happy riding. I hope ( know) it becomes the bike of your dreams. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Nov. 23rd, 2020.

 I have been waiting for this day for years. This is not an 
 exaggeration; and those of you with a history on this List know it because 
 your ears are bleeding from all of the pining I’ve subjected you to. A 
 metallic red Rivendell mixte - yes, you’ve heard it before.

 Rivendell shipped my raspberry Platypus and the parts a month ago. 
 There was a wait for the hand-built Velocity wheelset and custom anodized 
 parts from Analog Cycles, but those came today. I dropped everything to 
 take the load of stuff 35 minutes across town to one of the few bike shops 
 left in Las Vegas. This bike shop earned my allegiance this summer when 
 they expertly installed my wheelset and dyno on my Clementine. (I will 
 also 
 admit here that I cried in their parking lot on arrival that day because 
 their name is Pro Cyclery and I was sure I’d be a joke there.) 

 I entered the shop with my face masked and my arms full and took in the 
 scene while I waited for the mechanic. There were 3 other customers in the 
 store; one man looking at parts, an elderly gentleman complaining about 
 his 
 hybrid bike (“Everything on this bike feels too high!”) and an old duffer 
 who had planted himself at a high boy table and was watching the mechanics 
 work.

 The shop manager and the mechanic peered into the box and could see the 
 seat lug with the cream heart peeking out. That was all it took for the 
 Platypus to charm them. We moved my boxes of stuff into the mechanics’ bay 
 (special privileges, what?!) and the mechanic opened the Analog box. There 
 were mounds of parcels in brown paper wrappings inside. 

 “Here,” said the mechanic, “We’ll both unwrap them. It will be like 
 Christmas.” 

 The first thing he unwrapped was...a bottle of Vermont syrup. 

 “Oh, they’re from Vermont,” I explained, “Their shop is actually a 
 sugar shack.” 

 “VERMONT YOU SAY? WHERE IN VERMONT?” boomed the Old Duffer.

 “Vermont syrup!” squealed the manager. “Do you know how good Vermont 
 syrup is?” The mechanic enthusiastically agreed with her, so it was only 
 right that they should keep it.  

 We went on with our unwrapping - Ooh, I got teal HEADSET SPACERS - 
 what’s in yours? Oh, rose bolts, you don’t say! - until we had everything 
 laid out. 

 We went to the computer to input the information. “Ok,” said the 
 mechanic, “This is another Rivendell...does it have a name?” 

 “Well, it does, actually,” I said with great hesitation, “It’sa 
 Platypus.”

 “No it isn’t,” said the mechanic.

 “Are you serious?” asked the manager.

 “PLATYPUS?! ISN’T THAT WHAT THEY CALL THE MISSING LINK?” boomed the Old 
 Duffer.

 “Well,” I said, considering, “I don’t know, but did you know they glow 
 in the dark?!”

 Tonight I got a call from the mechanic. He’s started my build early and 
 will be doing cabling in a couple of hours. He wants to know how high I’d 
 like my bars so he can cut the cables for a perfect, customized look. I 
 have never gotten a call like that from a bike store. I’m cautiously 
 optimistic that this is all going to work out 

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Sackville Stickpack - like new

[Nate Phipps]

Sold pending funds.

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 10:09:42 AM UTC-5 Nate Phipps wrote:

> The famous Stickpack! So obscure, Riv doesn't even seem to have a listing 
> for them. I *think* they only did one run. 
>
> Here it is on their instgram: 
> https://www.instagram.com/rivbike/p/wZhVB0LxMF/
> Here is a reference on the Blug: 
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135391516524/need-it-by-christmas
>
> It's a very cool bag,  but I just never use it - in fact, I may have only 
> used it one, so consider it to be in nearly-new condition. I don't know if 
> Riv intended this, but the whole bag packs down in its removable top pouch. 
> Photos attached.
>
> $125 OBO *shipped to you* via USPS w/tracking.
>
> Nate
> Ann Arbor, MI
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 45 Clem L: Leah’s Friend

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Really?! She wanted blue! Ok, I’ll let her know right now. Thanks so much!


On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 6:39:45 AM UTC-8 James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> We have a new, just built blue one.  -James / Analog
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:06:52 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> My bikes have generated interest from friends from my real life. These 
>> are not bikey people, they are regular folks who see me riding in the 
>> community and think, “That looks fun; I’d like a bike like that.” I both 
>> love and dread this, because I know the price tag will shock people and 
>> because there will be no test riding the bike, AND if they’re stayed with 
>> me that far, there will likely be a lengthy wait for a bike.
>>
>> My friend Anna asked me about my Clem last night, and decided that would 
>> be the bike she’d like. She asked me, “Where is Rivendell’s Las Vegas 
>> storefront?” 
>>
>> Oh boy. 
>>
>> Rivendell won’t have Clems for months, and this is prime riding weather 
>> here in Vegas. I told her I would look for one online. 
>>
>> Does anyone have a 45 Clem L they would like to sell? Let me know and I 
>> will put you in touch with Anna.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 45 Clem L: Leah’s Friend

[James / Analog Cycles]

We have a new, just built blue one.  -James / Analog

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:06:52 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> My bikes have generated interest from friends from my real life. These are 
> not bikey people, they are regular folks who see me riding in the community 
> and think, “That looks fun; I’d like a bike like that.” I both love and 
> dread this, because I know the price tag will shock people and because 
> there will be no test riding the bike, AND if they’re stayed with me that 
> far, there will likely be a lengthy wait for a bike.
>
> My friend Anna asked me about my Clem last night, and decided that would 
> be the bike she’d like. She asked me, “Where is Rivendell’s Las Vegas 
> storefront?” 
>
> Oh boy. 
>
> Rivendell won’t have Clems for months, and this is prime riding weather 
> here in Vegas. I told her I would look for one online. 
>
> Does anyone have a 45 Clem L they would like to sell? Let me know and I 
> will put you in touch with Anna.
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Ben, thank you! I’m so glad to have people to share this experience with; it 
truly makes it richer.

I always swap out brake pads for the Kool Stops. They are fantastic, last 
forever and make the most satisfying sound when you brake. Whatever was on the 
bike prior to these was speckling my legs with black dots. These brake pads 
have never done that to me. I highly recommend them. Read Riv’s write up on the 
product - it will win you over.
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> Just curious...are the Kool Stop brake pads back-ups or do you prefer them to 
> the ones in the Shimano V-brakes? I have the same brakes/levers (LOVE THEM) 
> on my Atlantis, so I just wanted to see if you know something I don't know! 
> 
> Thanks for sharing all your pictures, the process (even the frustrating 
> parts), the excitement, etc... with all of us. It's a lot of fun...almost 
> like we're all getting this bike with you.
> 
> Ben
> 
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Hi Mas, 
>> 
>> I always neglect to post such details but I should figure folks will want to 
>> know. So, in answer to your first question, here are the build sheets from 
>> Analog and Rivendell.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I got the 55 cm Platypus and it’s just right. It is noticeably shorter than 
>> the yacht-like Clem, but both bikes feel right to me. I will say this: that 
>> Platypus is WAY lighter than the Clem. I know this because my bike path is 
>> interrupted and I have to hike the bike across 4 lanes of traffic and a 
>> median. When I lifted the Platypus it was NOTHING to me. It also makes 
>> tighter turns - maybe the Clem would, too, but it feels sketchy to me so I 
>> never do it.  As far as frame sizing, I’m 5’6” with an 81 PBH. I do NOT feel 
>> stretched out on the Platypus, but I definitely did before my stem swap on 
>> the Clementine. I wish the top tube was a bit lower on the Platypus; I think 
>> the big 700c wheels might make it taller than my Betty Foy’s top tube. I’ve 
>> been spoiled by the step-through of the Clementine; the first thing I did 
>> when I mounted my new Platypus was kick the top tube with my boot heel. 
>> 
>> The 50 takes 650b wheels.
>> 
>> Hope that helps! I vote for the mermaid color if you buy a Platypus!
>> Leah
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Nov 29, 2020, at 9:52 PM, masmojo  wrote:
 
>>> Leah, Sorry if I missed it, but I've seen a stack of parts and I see where 
>>> you've identified or mentioned a few bits here & there, but do you have an 
>>> actual component list?
>> 
>>> Not critical, but I am curious about Rims and tires?
>>> I guess you got the 55cm with the 700C wheels? How does the fit differ from 
>>> your old Med. Clementine?
>>> I have small & Medium Clementine's and honestly I am comfortable on either; 
>>> I was just thinking a 55cm (especially considering the larger wheels) might 
>>> feel too big!? I already barely have a fistful of seatpost on my Medium & 
>>> honestly I prefer more than that. 
>>> I was leaning towards the 55 because I already have a 700C bike that I 
>>> built with all NOS parts that I really haven't ridden and I could easily 
>>> just strip that frame down (it's nothing special) & swap everything over. 
>>> Might take me a couple hours at the most. Sell the old frame and basically 
>>> have an all new bike!! :=) 
>>> If I go the next smaller size I am thinking it would be 650B(?), which 
>>> would also be fine, because I still have 92% of the parts to do that (and 
>>> the majority of my other bikes are 650B), but it would be a bit more work 
>>> (I'd have to build new wheels). Bonus I am assuming the smaller frame would 
>>> be less stretched? The less stretchier the better in my book!!
>>> Your comments about Clem cornering on Instagram made me chuckle, I can 
>>> definitely relate!
>>> I sold my Ogre off a few days ago & I am hoping to sell a couple more, 
>>> before the Platypus's come in in  January! I've been mentally preparing 
>>> myself to settle for a blue or Green one, now that the grim reality of not 
>>> getting one like yours has been made sadly apparent. :=(  
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Ben Mihovk]

Leah,
Just curious...are the Kool Stop brake pads back-ups or do you prefer them 
to the ones in the Shimano V-brakes? I have the same brakes/levers (LOVE 
THEM) on my Atlantis, so I just wanted to see if you know something I don't 
know! 

Thanks for sharing all your pictures, the process (even the frustrating 
parts), the excitement, etc... with all of us. It's a lot of fun...almost 
like we're all getting this bike with you.

Ben

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi Mas, 
>
> I always neglect to post such details but I should figure folks will want 
> to know. So, in answer to your first question, here are the build sheets 
> from Analog and Rivendell.
>
>
>
>
>
> I got the 55 cm Platypus and it’s just right. It is noticeably shorter 
> than the yacht-like Clem, but both bikes feel right to me. I will say this: 
> that Platypus is WAY lighter than the Clem. I know this because my bike 
> path is interrupted and I have to hike the bike across 4 lanes of traffic 
> and a median. When I lifted the Platypus it was NOTHING to me. It also 
> makes tighter turns - maybe the Clem would, too, but it feels sketchy to me 
> so I never do it.  As far as frame sizing, I’m 5’6” with an 81 PBH. I do 
> NOT feel stretched out on the Platypus, but I definitely did before my stem 
> swap on the Clementine. I wish the top tube was a bit lower on the 
> Platypus; I think the big 700c wheels might make it taller than my Betty 
> Foy’s top tube. I’ve been spoiled by the step-through of the Clementine; 
> the first thing I did when I mounted my new Platypus was kick the top tube 
> with my boot heel. 
>
> The 50 takes 650b wheels.
>
> Hope that helps! I vote for the mermaid color if you buy a Platypus!
> Leah
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2020, at 9:52 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>
> Leah, Sorry if I missed it, but I've seen a stack of parts and I see 
> where you've identified or mentioned a few bits here & there, but do you 
> have an actual component list?
>
> Not critical, but I am curious about Rims and tires?
> I guess you got the 55cm with the 700C wheels? How does the fit differ 
> from your old Med. Clementine?
> I have small & Medium Clementine's and honestly I am comfortable on 
> either; I was just thinking a 55cm (especially considering the larger 
> wheels) might feel too big!? I already barely have a fistful of seatpost on 
> my Medium & honestly I prefer more than that. 
> I was leaning towards the 55 because I already have a 700C bike that I 
> built with all NOS parts that I really haven't ridden and I could easily 
> just strip that frame down (it's nothing special) & swap everything over. 
> Might take me a couple hours at the most. Sell the old frame and basically 
> have an all new bike!! :=) 
> If I go the next smaller size I am thinking it would be 650B(?), which 
> would also be fine, because I still have 92% of the parts to do that (and 
> the majority of my other bikes are 650B), but it would be a bit more work 
> (I'd have to build new wheels). Bonus I am assuming the smaller frame would 
> be less stretched? The less stretchier the better in my book!!
> Your comments about Clem cornering on Instagram made me chuckle, I can 
> definitely relate!
> I sold my Ogre off a few days ago & I am hoping to sell a couple more, 
> before the Platypus's come in in  January! I've been mentally preparing 
> myself to settle for a blue or Green one, now that the grim reality of not 
> getting one like yours has been made sadly apparent. :=(  
>
>
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[RBW] WTB 45 Clem L: Leah’s Friend

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

My bikes have generated interest from friends from my real life. These are 
not bikey people, they are regular folks who see me riding in the community 
and think, “That looks fun; I’d like a bike like that.” I both love and 
dread this, because I know the price tag will shock people and because 
there will be no test riding the bike, AND if they’re stayed with me that 
far, there will likely be a lengthy wait for a bike.

My friend Anna asked me about my Clem last night, and decided that would be 
the bike she’d like. She asked me, “Where is Rivendell’s Las Vegas 
storefront?” 

Oh boy. 

Rivendell won’t have Clems for months, and this is prime riding weather 
here in Vegas. I told her I would look for one online. 

Does anyone have a 45 Clem L they would like to sell? Let me know and I 
will put you in touch with Anna.

Thanks!
Leah

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