[RBW] Re: ...and another orange Hillborne

[brizbarn]

Great looking bike! I dig the 1x gearing.  How many speeds and what is your 
cassette range?  I'm hoping to get an orange Appaloosa and set it up in 
similar fashion, but probably with flat or sweptback bars.  I have some 
Paul Thumbies I could convert bar-end shifters with.  Jason's Riv on the 
Radavist looks great too.

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:53 PM UTC-8 Artaud wrote:

> After lurking for years, I may finally have something to contribute!
>
> I bought this frame from Laing (who managed to keep it in amazing 
> condition) here on the board in August and then promptly... waited for 
> parts to be back in stock. At least I got to enjoy looking at the pearly 
> orange quietly catching the sunlight for a few months.
> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
> Inspired by Rob Perks' Ocean Air Ramblers, I went for a mix of Paul and 
> White Industries parts, with a classic Nitto stem/seatpost combination. The 
> wheels were built by Riv - the MI5 hubs are probably overkill for the 
> riding I do, but I like them.
> [image: IMG_5542.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5547.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5548.jpg]
> After riding moustache, albastache and a variety of flat bars for years, 
> the Shaka Bars are my first try at drop bars, and I'm sold. The Fabio's 
> chest is great to carry snacks and small dogs. I have absolutely no use for 
> the Erlen rack, but it's here for now.
> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
> I'm particularly happy with the shiftings I get from Dura Ace / GRX 
> combination, probably the best I've ever had. After two years of 
> frustrating friction shifting and an unconvincing attempt to combine an XT 
> derailleur with a Microshift shifter on another bike, the precision I get 
> every time I shift on the Hillborne is very satisfying.
>
> It's a fun bike, lighter and faster than I anticipated and I can almost 
> keep up with the electric bikes on the greenway now.
>

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[RBW] Re: iSO: 26.8 Seatpost

[Jared Wilson]

Thanks everyone for your responses, wound up with a Nitto S-83 from group 
member Denis.

Feeling very welcome into this new community, see you all around!

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> I have a 250mm 26.8 Nitto S-83, with some surface scratches that are 
> hidden when the post is mounted in the frame.
> $55, with free shipping in the USA, or we can meet somewhere in the San 
> Francisco Bay Area.
>
> [image: IMG_9441.jpg]
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] In love with my new, smallish 52 Clem H. Holland Jones memories?

[Alex K]

Hey all.  Just got my 52 Clem H from RBW after a long, circuitous 
acquisition process.   I went from having a Long Haul Trucker and a 1972 
Schwinn Paramount to having two Clems and an Atlantis in a matter of 6 
months (HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN???).  First I bought a 52 Clem H from Silva 
Cycles in San Jose, with the intention/stipulation that that would build it 
out for me, but it took WAY too long for them to build out, so I was able 
to, after some haggling,  buy the frame from them.  While I was waiting for 
it to get built out, I had panicked and thought it might be too small (I'm 
5'10" with a PBH of 85.5) or take too long (I was right) and 
ordered/pre-ordered the 52 Clem L from Psychic Derailleur in IN, and almost 
had them ship it to me, before I realized that it was still in Walnut 
Creek, and so was able to pick it up direct from RBW.  Of course, while I 
was waiting for RBW to build out my H, I saw a 56cm 650b Atlantis for sale 
here on this GG and decided to test-ride it to see what it felt like.  BIG 
MISTAKE.  It was and is dreamy.  But it was also priced to sell and was 
okay with $2350 for a basically brand new (200 miles) Atlantis.  So, I gues 
that;s how I ended up with 3.  Anyhoo...While I am loving my L as a 
daily driver, city cruiser, Short Haul Trucker with a Wald 157 mounted on a 
Pass and Stow rack, this zippy little Clem H has got me buzzin, and 
reminiscing about the guy who sold me my first This Bike Seems Small But 
Damn It Feels Right And Man She Flies bike.Holland Jones of VeloCity 
fame/infamy.   I still remember getting on one of "his" frames, which I 
later found out were actuallly Mikkelsen frames, and being astonished at 
the liveliness of what I was riding.  I was hooked and he had a customer 
for life.  He chased innumerable potential customers out of his shop for 
not knowing what they wanted when they walked in the door.  He was a bit of 
a pedant, or maybe just came across that way.  He drank light-roast 
Peruvian coffee when the trend was Peet's and a roast profile that was more 
suited to the mines of Chile.  He was kind of an asshole, but I enjoyed 
every minute of it.  Wondering if anybody else has memories of him too.

That's all i got.

Alex
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[RBW] Re: ...and another orange Hillborne

[Todd G.]

Such a nice Hillborne, it’s hard to look away. Congrats!

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 4:22:02 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> To quote another member - Approve!
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:52:53 AM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>
>> After lurking for years, I may finally have something to contribute!
>>
>> I bought this frame from Laing (who managed to keep it in amazing 
>> condition) here on the board in August and then promptly... waited for 
>> parts to be back in stock. At least I got to enjoy looking at the pearly 
>> orange quietly catching the sunlight for a few months.
>> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
>> Inspired by Rob Perks' Ocean Air Ramblers, I went for a mix of Paul and 
>> White Industries parts, with a classic Nitto stem/seatpost combination. The 
>> wheels were built by Riv - the MI5 hubs are probably overkill for the 
>> riding I do, but I like them.
>> [image: IMG_5542.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_5547.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_5548.jpg]
>> After riding moustache, albastache and a variety of flat bars for years, 
>> the Shaka Bars are my first try at drop bars, and I'm sold. The Fabio's 
>> chest is great to carry snacks and small dogs. I have absolutely no use for 
>> the Erlen rack, but it's here for now.
>> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
>> I'm particularly happy with the shiftings I get from Dura Ace / GRX 
>> combination, probably the best I've ever had. After two years of 
>> frustrating friction shifting and an unconvincing attempt to combine an XT 
>> derailleur with a Microshift shifter on another bike, the precision I get 
>> every time I shift on the Hillborne is very satisfying.
>>
>> It's a fun bike, lighter and faster than I anticipated and I can almost 
>> keep up with the electric bikes on the greenway now.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen: Silver Clem L 59 SS (NYC)

[Jan Ehrenberg]

It was taken from the stoop. No break-in!

Wasn’t sure where to share this. I have also now posted it here:
https://bikeindex.org/bikes/958201.

Luckily this was my first bike theft in 44 years. Knock on wood. I still
have have a Bike-Tech Toyo from a bike shop internship in Germany in 1990.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 8:55 AM Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
thesixtht...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So sorry to hear this. Was it locked up or did someone break into your
> apt? I'll keep an eye out...
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:54:07 AM UTC-5 janehr...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I am gonna start with the good news: Matthew Williams' post on this forum
>> about a 59 Clem Smith Jr on Craigslist Indianapolis helped me get a
>> replacement bike within a week (green H-frame Clem). Yay! Thank you,
>> Matthew and thank you, Josh in IN.
>>
>> Sharing the below details in case someone comes across my stolen bike:
>> L-Style Clem Smith Jr., 59 cm, gray/silver frame (Serial A0A32CG0377)
>> with mostly silver polished components: Jones H-Loop bar, Paul Love Letter
>> levers, Crust/Nitto stem, White Industries crankset, Chromag Scarab pedals,
>> Eno SS Hub, SON dynamo hub, Edelux headlight, Honjo fenders, Rene Herse
>> front rack. Black components: Velocity Cliffhanger rims, Panaracer Gravel
>> King tires, Yepp rear rack, Brooks B67.
>> Taken from my home in Brooklyn, NY,  November 18, 2020.
>>
>> Two different Clems but both so fun!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Neo Retro Cantilever Brakes!!!

[Paul in Vermont]

Hi Everyone!  These are sold!!! THANK YOU all!!! :)

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:54:32 AM UTC-5 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hi Everyone.
>
> I have a very nice set of silver Paul Components Neo Retro Cantilever 
> brakes for sale. I bought these new used them for 2-3 months this summer on 
> my city bike until I sold the frame they were mounted on. They only had 
> light use — besides a few light scratches on the finish as shown in the 
> photos they're in excellent shape. The pads are 90%-95% new too.
>
> Price is 50% whatever these cost new on Paul's website :0), and I'll throw 
> in shipping anywhere in the USA too.
>
> Excuse the zip-ties in the image, they're just holding them together.
>
> Love,
> Paul 
>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen: Silver Clem L 59 SS (NYC)

[Roberta]

I am so sorry (and mad!) to hear this. I have an ongoing Craigslist search 
for riven* within 200 miles of Philadelphia and have not seen it. I will 
let you know if I do. Roberta
On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:54:07 AM UTC-5 janehr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I am gonna start with the good news: Matthew Williams' post on this forum 
> about a 59 Clem Smith Jr on Craigslist Indianapolis helped me get a 
> replacement bike within a week (green H-frame Clem). Yay! Thank you, 
> Matthew and thank you, Josh in IN.
>
> Sharing the below details in case someone comes across my stolen bike:
> L-Style Clem Smith Jr., 59 cm, gray/silver frame (Serial A0A32CG0377) with 
> mostly silver polished components: Jones H-Loop bar, Paul Love Letter 
> levers, Crust/Nitto stem, White Industries crankset, Chromag Scarab pedals, 
> Eno SS Hub, SON dynamo hub, Edelux headlight, Honjo fenders, Rene Herse 
> front rack. Black components: Velocity Cliffhanger rims, Panaracer Gravel 
> King tires, Yepp rear rack, Brooks B67.
> Taken from my home in Brooklyn, NY,  November 18, 2020. 
>
> Two different Clems but both so fun! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Replace my Atlantis ?

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

Replace, or add to?

I have a Toyo Atlantis with 26" wheels, and don't think I'll ever part with 
it. It's too useful, as a Jack-of-all-trades. Fastest? Nope. Lightest? 
Nope. Not even close. Fanciest? Nope. But it's set up with fenders, racks, 
wide gear range, and dynamo lights, and it's as comfy and no-nonsense as 
they come. If I'm not sure know where I'm going, I'll slap on a pannier and 
take the Atlantis.

I've thought about selling my Rivendell All-Rounder (with the 753 tubeset) 
and Boulder All-Road (with "skinny" tubing). I've even thought about 
selling my Colnago Master and Seven Ti Axiom. And I've actually *sold* my 
Surly LHT and Litespeed Blue Ridge. But I've never considered selling my 
Atlantis. In fact, I like it so much I got my son one too.

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:53:08 PM UTC-8 Peter Forde wrote:

> [image: 28D2644F-06A5-4181-9EBB-6C351B65BA2B.jpeg]
> I’ve had my 58cm Toyo Atlantis since 2002.
> It has taken me on numerous 1000+ mile tours, 400k brevets and has kept me 
> smiling for many, many miles.
> Workhorse it is, but I am thinking of perhaps a lighter, more subtle 
> frame.  Any ideas or suggestions (Riv or otherwise)?
> P.S.  I do like a front, rack mounted bag but don’t have to go crazy with 
> lower trail and want to keep my 700c wheels.
> Thanks.
> Peter
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Replace my Atlantis ?

[frankie garcia]

I have the same. Although in the 26 in 56cm version. I rode mine with a 26 x 
2.3 and find the plump tires create a perfect balance of speed and comfort. 

Cheers. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:12 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have the same bike as you, from 2003, with thousands of touring miles under 
> the wheels, so I understand what your ride is like.  The Atlantis really 
> rides its most comfortable with a load.  A couple of years ago, I had a ride 
> (perhaps a couple of hours) on a current model, long wheelbase Atlantis.  The 
> shop knew I rode a 58, 700 wheeled version.  After doing a few measurements, 
> they set a demo up & had me give it a go.  Right away, I felt it rode 
> "better" in terms of comfort, taking the speed bumps in the ally with no 
> drama.  Later, we were out on some local trails, challenging but no 
> technical.  Even on tight turns, it handled just like my own bike.  In short, 
> Rivendell had improved the ride quality noticeably, and hadn't sacrificed 
> anything in handling.  On return from the ride, I found out it was a 53 cm in 
> their newer sizing system.  I'm not sure what wheel size they are using these 
> days.  
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:53:08 PM UTC-8 Peter Forde wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve had my 58cm Toyo Atlantis since 2002.
>> It has taken me on numerous 1000+ mile tours, 400k brevets and has kept me 
>> smiling for many, many miles.
>> Workhorse it is, but I am thinking of perhaps a lighter, more subtle frame.  
>> Any ideas or suggestions (Riv or otherwise)?
>> P.S.  I do like a front, rack mounted bag but don’t have to go crazy with 
>> lower trail and want to keep my 700c wheels.
>> Thanks.
>> Peter
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[RBW] Re: Replace my Atlantis ?

[dougP]

I have the same bike as you, from 2003, with thousands of touring miles 
under the wheels, so I understand what your ride is like.  The Atlantis 
really rides its most comfortable with a load.  A couple of years ago, I 
had a ride (perhaps a couple of hours) on a current model, long wheelbase 
Atlantis.  The shop knew I rode a 58, 700 wheeled version.  After doing a 
few measurements, they set a demo up & had me give it a go.  Right away, I 
felt it rode "better" in terms of comfort, taking the speed bumps in the 
ally with no drama.  Later, we were out on some local trails, challenging 
but no technical.  Even on tight turns, it handled just like my own bike.  
In short, Rivendell had improved the ride quality noticeably, and hadn't 
sacrificed anything in handling.  On return from the ride, I found out it 
was a 53 cm in their newer sizing system.  I'm not sure what wheel size 
they are using these days.  

dougP

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:53:08 PM UTC-8 Peter Forde wrote:

> [image: 28D2644F-06A5-4181-9EBB-6C351B65BA2B.jpeg]
> I’ve had my 58cm Toyo Atlantis since 2002.
> It has taken me on numerous 1000+ mile tours, 400k brevets and has kept me 
> smiling for many, many miles.
> Workhorse it is, but I am thinking of perhaps a lighter, more subtle 
> frame.  Any ideas or suggestions (Riv or otherwise)?
> P.S.  I do like a front, rack mounted bag but don’t have to go crazy with 
> lower trail and want to keep my 700c wheels.
> Thanks.
> Peter
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride suggestions for San Diego area

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hello Mike,

Welcome to San Diego.  The Laguna Mountains east of us offer some nice dirt
roads and trails.  A bit closer is Mission Trails Park which has some
roads/trails that might be more geared for mountain bikes. Check out both
places online.

Ride well,

Curtis
El Cajon

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 2:49 PM Michael Williams 
wrote:

> Hey group.  I recently moved to San Diego and was wondering if any list
> members had any suggestions/ recommendations for San Diego County area.
> Something within a 30-45 drive from the city.  Looking for fire road/ mixed
> terrain/ gravel/ dirt,  anything really that’s gets away from traffic.   I
> know there’s probably modern MTB trails that might be too crazy for Rivs.
> Thank you!   -Mike
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Re: [RBW] Ride suggestions for San Diego area

[rltilley]

Off the top of my head:

Peñasquitos Preserve is a nice place to ride. The South side of the creek is 
basically a fire road while the North side is a bit more challenging. Nothing a 
rigid bike with decent tires couldn’t handle. I used to commute through there 
on 29 x 2” tires and I could easily go with narrower tires. It is central and 
has easy freeway access on both the East and West sides.  There’s a nice 
waterfall area about midway through and a round trip is about 12 miles with 
options to extend that. It’s pretty flat there but you can climb if you want 
via side trails.

Mission Trails has lots of options and is a huge park and pretty central as 
well. You can hop in from a number of spots including La Mesa, Santee and 
Tierrasanta. 

Sycamore Canyon runs from Poway out to Santee and is a nice ride. Just be 
careful not to ride onto military land.

The Elfin Forest has some nice trails but has some climbs. It’s up near 
Escondido so a trip to the Stone brewery/restaurant is good for carb loading 
afterwards if the Governor hasn’t shut it down.

Daley Ranch in Escondido has some nice trails but I haven’t been in a while. I 
used to ride there a lot.

Lake Hodges is a nice place to ride and can be accessed from right off of the 
15 in Rancho Bernardo or from other places around the lake. Lots of different 
trails to choose from and fire road riding is there if you don’t want 
singletrack.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Michael Williams  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey group.  I recently moved to San Diego and was wondering if any list 
> members had any suggestions/ recommendations for San Diego County area. 
> Something within a 30-45 drive from the city.  Looking for fire road/ mixed 
> terrain/ gravel/ dirt,  anything really that’s gets away from traffic.   I 
> know there’s probably modern MTB trails that might be too crazy for Rivs.  
> Thank you!   -Mike
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[RBW] Re: Stolen: Silver Clem L 59 SS (NYC)

[Michael Morrissey]

That sucks. I’m in Manhattan and I’ll keep a lookout for it. 

M
On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:55:20 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
(Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> So sorry to hear this. Was it locked up or did someone break into your 
> apt? I'll keep an eye out...
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:54:07 AM UTC-5 janehr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I am gonna start with the good news: Matthew Williams' post on this forum 
>> about a 59 Clem Smith Jr on Craigslist Indianapolis helped me get a 
>> replacement bike within a week (green H-frame Clem). Yay! Thank you, 
>> Matthew and thank you, Josh in IN.
>>
>> Sharing the below details in case someone comes across my stolen bike:
>> L-Style Clem Smith Jr., 59 cm, gray/silver frame (Serial A0A32CG0377) 
>> with mostly silver polished components: Jones H-Loop bar, Paul Love Letter 
>> levers, Crust/Nitto stem, White Industries crankset, Chromag Scarab pedals, 
>> Eno SS Hub, SON dynamo hub, Edelux headlight, Honjo fenders, Rene Herse 
>> front rack. Black components: Velocity Cliffhanger rims, Panaracer Gravel 
>> King tires, Yepp rear rack, Brooks B67.
>> Taken from my home in Brooklyn, NY,  November 18, 2020. 
>>
>> Two different Clems but both so fun! 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Paul Shifter Mounts, Nitto Seatpost, VO H20 Cage

[Matthew Williams]

Seatpost has been sold!



On Dec 10, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Matthew Williams 
 wrote:

> Free shipping in continental United States. Local pickup available in San 
> Francisco Bay Area.
> 
> Paul Components: Thumbies Shifter Mounts (Shimano)
> Matte aluminum
> 22.2mm, L/R pair
> 90.00
> New, unused, in opened package
> 
> 
> Nitto S-83 Seatpost
> 26.8mm x 250mm
> 55.00
> Used, surface scratches not visible when post is mounted
> 
> 
> Velo Orange Moderniste Water Bottle Cage
> New, no package
> 10.00
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

[Garth]

Patrick, forget the Papyrus, the brim is weak and floppy, like all their 
hats, wind or no wind. I tried that hat, own a few others, and returned 
many. OR is always about saving weight, saving it for what ? How can you 
save something that is at best, relative ? Oh but I digress.

I suspect the Tilley or Filson will hold their shape better, me having no 
first hand experience with them. 

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 9:55:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. This looks likely: 
> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>
> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>
> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 
> 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>
> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>
> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It 
> is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
> guarantees the brand."
>
> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
>> For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>> important.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Garth]

A Tosco bar arrived for me yesterday. It seems there is a problem however 
 the ID of the bar is loo small for my Tektro RX 4.1 reverse brake 
levers. So I then tried some new yet older Riv shift pods just to see if 
they'd fit nope. Then I tried an old SunTour bar end shifter, nope. 
(many swear words inserted here). I called Vince @Riv and  it seems when 
they had the bar made Riv sent them their current bar end shifter, so while 
those fit as they are a smaller diameter than the original pods. He did his 
best to figure a solution but it seems all he can do is initiate a return.  

As best I could I measured 18.65mm and 18.70mm ID in each end. The bars OD 
measure 22.3, though the 31.8 clamp was spot on. I couldn't get even 
regular Tektro brake levers over the ends without forcing them, so I 
didn't. all of these parts go on/in Alba 56 and Billie bars with ease. I 
even tried sanding a little of the RX 4.1's inner mechanism to see if that 
would help but it would take some substantial metal removal either from it 
or the bars themselves. (more expletives)

If you're using anything else in the bar end other than the current Riv 
pods, you may be  (more expletives). 

My last option for now  before a bar return is if Dia-Compe's 188 levers 
will work, if I can get a retailer to actually measure them with the sleeve 
off as the description says for 18 or 20mm ID. 

Customer service .. as in talking to a living soul who's not a half robot 
instructed by a video screen what to think, do or say  seems to be rare 
these dayze. Riv is rare.I live in an area where we have many Amish people 
who do roofs and siding and build homes, garages and such. You know, I have 
so much respect for those guys, they are real hand craftsman. No power 
tools or electronic devices to de-ssist them. I always waive to them and 
they always heartily waive in return. There's few bike riders here so when 
they see one we have an instant connection I suppose. Maybe it takes my 
back to the home I grew up in Minnesota that my Dad and god Father built by 
hand, it was pretty basic but I'll take basic well done any day of the 
week. Even the home I live in now was built in 1856 by the predecessors of 
my Mothers family buying it during WW2. Big thick stone foundation it sits 
upon. I'm not nearly so handy at such building homes, but I do know how to 
tear down a bike and build it back up in my sleep .Most of all I treasure 
peace . not a peace that is acquired, bought or sold  no I'm 
referring that inherent indivisibility that is Life Itself 
Being-ness or IS-ness that is everything. 




 

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:53:01 AM UTC-5 Alberto Robador wrote:

> Joe, if they only had the 25.4 version in stock so that I could use the 
> nice stem you just sent me...I was too slow!
>
> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 11:18:57 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes Bruce, you know how to post photos, if you didn't "the device/means 
>> of expression" wouldn't exist.
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 12:54:55 PM UTC-5 Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Garth. Now if you could show me how to post from my iphone...
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:34:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Okay, I changed the format to .jpg and that worked to post both as an 
 "add attachment" and "insert photo attachment". So if anyone has issues 
 with posting photos , open the image, "save as" and change the file format 
 to .jpg. I'm posting this with Chrome(book) OS and browser at the moment. 

 On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:30:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Testing testing  [image: Tosco.jpg]
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:28:02 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Riv has a schematic of the Tosco with it's images. This #%&*^! format 
>> wouldn't post the .png image of the bars, then the page malfunctioned 
>> and I 
>> had to reload the page, rendering my entire reply lost in cyberspace.  
>> The 
>> gist of which is  everything is alright. no matter what.
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/products/ScreenShot2020-11-24at11.51.45AM_1600x.png
>>
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[RBW] Ride suggestions for San Diego area

[Michael Williams]

Hey group.  I recently moved to San Diego and was wondering if any list members 
had any suggestions/ recommendations for San Diego County area. Something 
within a 30-45 drive from the city.  Looking for fire road/ mixed terrain/ 
gravel/ dirt,  anything really that’s gets away from traffic.   I know there’s 
probably modern MTB trails that might be too crazy for Rivs.  Thank you!   -Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Shifter Mounts, Nitto Seatpost, VO H20 Cage

[Matthew Williams]

Aw sorry, the seatpost sold. I'll update the listing.




On Dec 10, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Drw  wrote:

> Can't figure out the private reply, but i'll take the seatpost if still 
> available. Email is d rew beckmey e...@gmail.com (no spaces)
> 
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 11:33:19 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Free shipping in continental United States. Local pickup available in San 
> Francisco Bay Area.
> 
> Paul Components: Thumbies Shifter Mounts (Shimano)
> Matte aluminum
> 22.2mm, L/R pair
> 90.00
> New, unused, in opened package
> 
> 
> Nitto S-83 Seatpost
> 26.8mm x 250mm
> 55.00
> Used, surface scratches not visible when post is mounted
> 
> 
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> New, no package
> 10.00
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3,000 miles in 2020

[Joe Bernard]

But there will be new Riv bikes! And you might want one and buy it and ride 
it and it will be wonderful!!! But  drop bars. 


On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> You guys are so nice. ♥️ That Ms. Cool lady is something else.
>
> I don’t see myself on drops like ever, and I’m so in love with my 
> Clementine and Platypus that I can’t even imagine I’ll ever have any other 
> bikes. Hold me to it.
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> Leah is our own Ms. Cool(s).
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to climb way out on a limb, saw in hand, and make a 
>> prediction:  as Leah continues to hammer out the miles, she'll eventually 
>> find that she wants a road bike, drop bars and all.  And she'll be riding 
>> just like that Ms. Cools in those Henry Wildeberry YouTube videos.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Andy, those were really touching words. I’m really grateful 
>>> to have a place I can share these stories with like-minded people.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:41 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>>
>>> Between mourning a lost loved one and channelling the grief into 
>>> personal accomplishment, you earn most heartfelt sympathy, deepest respect 
>>> and recognition. A good job Leah. You set an example for your family and 
>>> all of us. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:14:34 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
 Echoing congrats on accomplishing the 3000 mile goal as well as 
 heartfelt sympathies on the loss of your Dad.

 So difficult!

 I still recall the phone call in  2004 from my wife during my attempted 
 crossing of the USA on a bicycle tour that my Dad had passed at age 75. 

 Paul in Dallas 
 Mercy, I'm only 5 years from that age!
 But also have 2400 miles cycling for the year
 and my Dad never exercised.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Shifter Mounts, Nitto Seatpost, VO H20 Cage

[Drw]

Can't figure out the private reply, but i'll take the seatpost if still 
available. Email is d rew beckmey e...@gmail.com (no spaces)

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 11:33:19 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Free shipping in continental United States. Local pickup available in San 
> Francisco Bay Area.
>
> *Paul Components: Thumbies Shifter Mounts (Shimano)*
> Matte aluminum
> 22.2mm, L/R pair
> 90.00
> New, unused, in opened package
> [image: IMG_9450.JPG][image: IMG_9449.JPG]
>
> *Nitto S-83 Seatpost*
> 26.8mm x 250mm
> 55.00
> Used, surface scratches not visible when post is mounted
> [image: IMG_9441.jpg]
>
> *Velo Orange Moderniste Water Bottle Cage*
> New, no package
> 10.00
> [image: IMG_9448.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3,000 miles in 2020

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You guys are so nice. ♥️ That Ms. Cool lady is something else.

I don’t see myself on drops like ever, and I’m so in love with my 
Clementine and Platypus that I can’t even imagine I’ll ever have any other 
bikes. Hold me to it.
Leah

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 11:01:28 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Leah is our own Ms. Cool(s).
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> I'm going to climb way out on a limb, saw in hand, and make a prediction: 
>  as Leah continues to hammer out the miles, she'll eventually find that she 
> wants a road bike, drop bars and all.  And she'll be riding just like that 
> Ms. Cools in those Henry Wildeberry YouTube videos.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Andy, those were really touching words. I’m really grateful to 
>> have a place I can share these stories with like-minded people.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:41 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>> Between mourning a lost loved one and channelling the grief into 
>> personal accomplishment, you earn most heartfelt sympathy, deepest respect 
>> and recognition. A good job Leah. You set an example for your family and 
>> all of us. 
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:14:34 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> Echoing congrats on accomplishing the 3000 mile goal as well as 
>>> heartfelt sympathies on the loss of your Dad.
>>>
>>> So difficult!
>>>
>>> I still recall the phone call in  2004 from my wife during my attempted 
>>> crossing of the USA on a bicycle tour that my Dad had passed at age 75. 
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>> Mercy, I'm only 5 years from that age!
>>> But also have 2400 miles cycling for the year
>>> and my Dad never exercised.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: XL Trek 620 Frameset, StumpJumper knock offs & more

[ant ritchey]

Oddly enough he Sekai and Bianchi post got flagged. Too verbose?

Here are those bikes, re-posted in all their glory:

BIANCHI bi-plane banger 


Sekai Bigfoot bi-plane bruiser 


Oh! And happy to knock the prices down on either of the ATB framesets if 
you're local!

AND- sale is pending on the big Trek. Thanks, folks!

On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 5:33:17 PM UTC-8 ant ritchey wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> Selling a few items here. Mostly framesets w/ extras. The Trek was a bike 
> intended for personal use but no go due to sizing. The "bi-plane + 
> bullmoose" frame/fork/bar combos (Sekai Bigfoot & Bianchi proto-Grizzly) 
> are an attempt to help a pal minimize his rather large vintage mountain ATB 
> hoard. The complete Novara is more or less a classy-classic "go fast" parts 
> bin bike.
>
> Links to tons of pics and item descriptions here via my Portland OR 
> craigslist posts:
>
> 25.5" // 63.5cm Trek 620 
> 
> $250 + shipping
>
> The Bi-plane + Bullmoose duo. 
> 
> $150 each + shipping
>
> Tange Infinity Novara Strada 
> 
> Asking $275 + shipping
>
> Private message or text with any questions - 7247579358
> I'm in Portland, Oregon. 
> Thank you and be well!
> -Anthony Ritchey
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Neo Retro Cantilever Brakes!!!

[The Snag]

Paul would like you to know that the brakes with his name on them have been 
sold. If YOU have cantilever brakes with his name on them, let ME know. 

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:54:32 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hi Everyone.
>
> I have a very nice set of silver Paul Components Neo Retro Cantilever 
> brakes for sale. I bought these new used them for 2-3 months this summer on 
> my city bike until I sold the frame they were mounted on. They only had 
> light use — besides a few light scratches on the finish as shown in the 
> photos they're in excellent shape. The pads are 90%-95% new too.
>
> Price is 50% whatever these cost new on Paul's website :0), and I'll throw 
> in shipping anywhere in the USA too.
>
> Excuse the zip-ties in the image, they're just holding them together.
>
> Love,
> Paul 
>
> [image: IMG_1328.jpeg]
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Neo Retro Cantilever Brakes!!!

[The Snag]

Paul would like you to know that the brakes with his name on them have been 
sold. If YOU have cantilever brakes with his name on them, let ME know. 

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:54:32 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hi Everyone.
>
> I have a very nice set of silver Paul Components Neo Retro Cantilever 
> brakes for sale. I bought these new used them for 2-3 months this summer on 
> my city bike until I sold the frame they were mounted on. They only had 
> light use — besides a few light scratches on the finish as shown in the 
> photos they're in excellent shape. The pads are 90%-95% new too.
>
> Price is 50% whatever these cost new on Paul's website :0), and I'll throw 
> in shipping anywhere in the USA too.
>
> Excuse the zip-ties in the image, they're just holding them together.
>
> Love,
> Paul 
>
> [image: IMG_1328.jpeg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ...and another orange Hillborne

[Artaud]

Jason, I remember seeing your Hillborne on the Radavist, looking at my pile 
of parts and thinking the same thing...
I still dream of finding a Bombadil, but have a canti Romanceür to build 
first.
Le jeudi 10 décembre 2020 à 13:45:38 UTC-5, Jason Fuller a écrit :

> I definitely did a double take on this bike, it's so accurately a mash-up 
> between my Sam and Bombadil that it is uncanny.  Beauty of a build! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3,000 miles in 2020

[R Shannon]

Leah is our own Ms. Cool(s).

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to climb way out on a limb, saw in hand, and make a prediction:  
> as Leah continues to hammer out the miles, she'll eventually find that she 
> wants a road bike, drop bars and all.  And she'll be riding just like that 
> Ms. Cools in those Henry Wildeberry YouTube videos.
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Thank you, Andy, those were really touching words. I’m really grateful to 
>> have a place I can share these stories with like-minded people.
>> Leah
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:41 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
 
>>> Between mourning a lost loved one and channelling the grief into personal 
>>> accomplishment, you earn most heartfelt sympathy, deepest respect and 
>>> recognition. A good job Leah. You set an example for your family and all of 
>>> us. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> 
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:14:34 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
> Echoing congrats on accomplishing the 3000 mile goal as well as heartfelt 
> sympathies on the loss of your Dad.
> 
> So difficult!
> 
> I still recall the phone call in  2004 from my wife during my attempted 
> crossing of the USA on a bicycle tour that my Dad had passed at age 75. 
> 
> Paul in Dallas 
> Mercy, I'm only 5 years from that age!
> But also have 2400 miles cycling for the year
> and my Dad never exercised.
 
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[RBW] Re: Ringing out 2020, Goals for 2021

[Jason Fuller]

Sorry to hear about these health issues, and I don't take for granted that 
I had a pretty healthy 2020 which allowed me to put in about twice the 
annual mileage I normally do (5000km). I tracked my riding quite 
meticulously this year for this goal, and my 2021 goal is actually to not 
worry so much about keeping track; just getting rides in when I can.  I am 
working from home currently but when commuting again, I have a goal of 
riding as much as possible vs. driving (it's 16km / 10 mi each way, and 
pretty hilly to boot). 

Another goal of mine is to buck the trend of the past two years of spending 
so much on bikes! Time to enjoy what I have and try to save some money for 
a change. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3,000 miles in 2020

[George Schick]

I'm going to climb way out on a limb, saw in hand, and make a prediction: 
 as Leah continues to hammer out the miles, she'll eventually find that she 
wants a road bike, drop bars and all.  And she'll be riding just like that 
Ms. Cools in those Henry Wildeberry YouTube videos.


On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Thank you, Andy, those were really touching words. I’m really grateful to 
> have a place I can share these stories with like-minded people.
> Leah
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:41 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
> Between mourning a lost loved one and channelling the grief into personal 
> accomplishment, you earn most heartfelt sympathy, deepest respect and 
> recognition. A good job Leah. You set an example for your family and all of 
> us. 
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:14:34 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> Echoing congrats on accomplishing the 3000 mile goal as well as heartfelt 
>> sympathies on the loss of your Dad.
>>
>> So difficult!
>>
>> I still recall the phone call in  2004 from my wife during my attempted 
>> crossing of the USA on a bicycle tour that my Dad had passed at age 75. 
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>> Mercy, I'm only 5 years from that age!
>> But also have 2400 miles cycling for the year
>> and my Dad never exercised.
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Platforms A-Poppin'! VP001 - Vice - fyxation Mesa MP - Wellgo MG1

[Paul Brodek]

Thanks to all for the interest, both pair of VP pedals are spoken for.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:00:32 AM UTC-5 Matt H wrote:

> Hey Paul, I'll take the green VP001s if available.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:10 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
>> Got way too many pinned platforms hanging about. All fairly clean, good 
>> bearings, no bad scuffs/scrapes/bashes/shmashes/shmushes. I'll make sure 
>> each pair has pedal washers. 
>>
>> Pricing includes shipping conti USA; payment via paypal G/S or With 
>> Protection. What I've got is:
>>
>> VP001/Green/1pr: $40
>> VP Vice/Black/1pr: $40
>> fyxation Mesa MP/Black/2pr: $40/pr
>> Wellgo MG1/Orange/1pr: $30
>> Wellgo MG1/Yellow/1pr: $30
>>
>> The fyxation are wide, have plastic bodies but goodly shin-shearing metal 
>> pins. They're the widest out of this batch.
>>
>> More close-up pix on flickr:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsk4hRDyg
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> [image: 50700416468_c423d6a93b_c.jpg]
>> [image: 50700416578_68396a84ef_c.jpg]
>> [image: 50701242322_d1c80643ba_c.jpg]
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[RBW] Sim Works Flat 65's on Joe App?

[J Schwartz]

Curious if anyone has run this combo and if they are happy 
Does anyone have photos if so?
thank you
JS

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[RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

[MikeS]

I’ve got a Tilley R7 straw hat, size XL, that I’m not wearing.  I tried to flog 
it on the Boblist a couple months ago but didn’t get any takers.  I just 
offered it to Patrick, but alas he’s looking for something more structured.  So 
here I am hijacking his thread to see if anyone else may be interested.

It’s pretty big.  It fits my 7 5/8 melon with room to spare.  It is a bit more 
floppy/casual than the photos in the links suggest.  It’s a sharp hat, just not 
my style.  I wore it once or twice this spring after purchasing it, but haven’t 
found myself grabbing it since.

I’d like to move it along to clear a spot on the hat rack and free up some 
budget for Christmas presents, so how does $50 plus postage sound?

Please contact me at beewak at gmail dot com

I’ve included a couple of links and a Tilley size chart below for reference.

https://hollandhats.com/shop/mens/hats-spring-summer-mens/tilley-r7-raffia-hat/

https://www.amazon.com/Tilley-R7-Raffia-Town/dp/B01M7MWKON

https://www.tilley.com/us_en/inside-tilley/about-us/size-guides.html

Cheers-

Mike in Somerville, MA

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[RBW] Re: FS: tires, bars, n more (Compass, WTB, Nitto, Simworks, VO...)

[Patch T]

Hello all! Updates and some price drops here n there. *I'll entertain 
offers!*
Can arrange pickups in NYC area. Paypal f or Venmo please.
ITEMS *DO NOT* INCLUDE SHIPPING.
Photos can be found here. 
*email*: p tro ffer @ g ma il . co m (omit all spaces)

Thanks for looking!
Patch
BK/NY

*TIRES*
*WTB NANO* - 700c x 40 / TCS -* some noticeable tread wear* - $30/pair

*TERAVAIL RUTLAND* - 650b x 47 / black - *used a handful of times; lots of 
tread left *- $40/pair

HANDLEBARS
*NITTO NOODLE* - 410mm / 26.0 clamp - *Great condition, lightly used, some 
scratches* - $40

*SALSA COWBELL 2* - black / 490mm ctc / 31.8 / 68mm reach / 115mm drop - *tape 
and residue* - $30

THE REST
*Stem - RITCHEY threadless* - 30 deg / 60mm / 31.8 clamp / black - *like 
new* - $15


*A FRAME - great 650b conversion frame for smallish person!*
1987 TREK 330 ELANCE 
 - F/F/HS/BB - 
*$275*

   - 19"/47.5CM
   - red
   - Reynolds 531
   - new VO Grand Cru headset
   - new BB UN55 x 110 (I think)
   - clears GB Hetres (650x42) with tubes on Pacenti Brevet rims 
  - or 38mm tires with fenders
   - dent in top tube, see photos
   - *NO LONGER OFFERED WITH the BRAKES -  BB AND HEADSET STILL INCLUDED*

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[RBW] Re: Ringing out 2020, Goals for 2021

[Chris L]

My goal is to get back to riding an actual bicycle.

A major health issue in January kept me off the bike for much of the year.  
I rode my Hunqapillar about 75 miles, all 1-3 miles at a time, but did put 
over 600 miles on a stationary bike I bought for conditioning.  I went 
months riding the stationary bike and not touching the Hunqapillar and once 
I got back on the real bike, it was so totally different that it was 
shocking.  My rpm & cadence on the stationary don't apply in any way, shape 
or form on a real bike.  Also, I had some (maybe) symptoms that might have 
been related to my earlier health issue, so I backed off on riding the 
Hunqapillar.

If I get back to riding a real bike, I want to spend a lot of time riding 
my 1984 Trek 830.  If I am comfortable getting back into riding, I plan to 
go forward, at some point in the future, with a custom frameset and thanks 
to Jan Heine's commitment to 26" wheels/tires, I plan to go that route on 
my design.  His recent book just affirms my suspicion that 26 x 54 is the 
right combo for me.  

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 7:47:01 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> I haven't had an odometer on my bike since March so I fall short of any 
> tally or objective to quantify for this year. I am simply looking forward 
> to more and better next year and wonder how many others have let their 
> minds go forward for consideration of next year's opportunities.
>
> Bicycling has been my balm for this past year, my hospital unit became the 
> COVID-19 unit and I have been in that trench since March, bike commuting to 
> and from each shift appreciating all of the conditions the seasons have 
> thrown along the way. In the warmer months I actually commuted with my 
> Rambouillet, stopping when the season obviated its less than optimum 
> preparation 
> for full darkness. I've brought it to safety in its beausavaged 
> condition, I'll clean it up when I can. 
>
> Next week I'm getting pre-procedure COVID swabbed for reconstruction of my 
> shoulder, as long as the Thanksgiving surge doesn't bar elective 
> interventions. No injury involved, just the remnants of an interesting life 
> lived so far. I'll be in a sling for some time, they'll tell me after the 
> extent of surgery how long it's going to be. 
>
> Nothing prepares you for having to step off the line. It happened to me in 
> the military and not being able to walk provided easier rationalization. I 
> feel the same for stepping away from my year round cycling cohorts who ride 
> regardless of season or weather, chasing personal objectives, practicality 
> or persona demons. I feel the same way for stepping away from my work 
> colleagues as this pandemic surges. My vocational physical ability hasn't 
> been affected much but this shoulder is intruding on other things now, 
> mostly sleep. I can't fall asleep for long before relaxed muscles lets 
> alignment sag and the cold steel jabs of pain shock me awake. It's what got 
> the orthopedist's attention and an MRI ordered. it's a mess. 
>
> I'm going to be back to having my bike in the room as an icon of luck and 
> motivation to get through post-op and rehab. I have other good hands in the 
> house for support through this, including a new nurse, so I don't feel so 
> obtuse looking forward to getting back on track and having riding goals by 
> spring.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen: Silver Clem L 59 SS (NYC)

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

So sorry to hear this. Was it locked up or did someone break into your apt? 
I'll keep an eye out...

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:54:07 AM UTC-5 janehr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I am gonna start with the good news: Matthew Williams' post on this forum 
> about a 59 Clem Smith Jr on Craigslist Indianapolis helped me get a 
> replacement bike within a week (green H-frame Clem). Yay! Thank you, 
> Matthew and thank you, Josh in IN.
>
> Sharing the below details in case someone comes across my stolen bike:
> L-Style Clem Smith Jr., 59 cm, gray/silver frame (Serial A0A32CG0377) with 
> mostly silver polished components: Jones H-Loop bar, Paul Love Letter 
> levers, Crust/Nitto stem, White Industries crankset, Chromag Scarab pedals, 
> Eno SS Hub, SON dynamo hub, Edelux headlight, Honjo fenders, Rene Herse 
> front rack. Black components: Velocity Cliffhanger rims, Panaracer Gravel 
> King tires, Yepp rear rack, Brooks B67.
> Taken from my home in Brooklyn, NY,  November 18, 2020. 
>
> Two different Clems but both so fun! 
>
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[RBW] Ringing out 2020, Goals for 2021

[ascpgh]

I haven't had an odometer on my bike since March so I fall short of any 
tally or objective to quantify for this year. I am simply looking forward 
to more and better next year and wonder how many others have let their 
minds go forward for consideration of next year's opportunities.

Bicycling has been my balm for this past year, my hospital unit became the 
COVID-19 unit and I have been in that trench since March, bike commuting to 
and from each shift appreciating all of the conditions the seasons have 
thrown along the way. In the warmer months I actually commuted with my 
Rambouillet, stopping when the season obviated its less than optimum 
preparation 
for full darkness. I've brought it to safety in its beausavaged condition, 
I'll clean it up when I can. 

Next week I'm getting pre-procedure COVID swabbed for reconstruction of my 
shoulder, as long as the Thanksgiving surge doesn't bar elective 
interventions. No injury involved, just the remnants of an interesting life 
lived so far. I'll be in a sling for some time, they'll tell me after the 
extent of surgery how long it's going to be. 

Nothing prepares you for having to step off the line. It happened to me in 
the military and not being able to walk provided easier rationalization. I 
feel the same for stepping away from my year round cycling cohorts who ride 
regardless of season or weather, chasing personal objectives, practicality 
or persona demons. I feel the same way for stepping away from my work 
colleagues as this pandemic surges. My vocational physical ability hasn't 
been affected much but this shoulder is intruding on other things now, 
mostly sleep. I can't fall asleep for long before relaxed muscles lets 
alignment sag and the cold steel jabs of pain shock me awake. It's what got 
the orthopedist's attention and an MRI ordered. it's a mess. 

I'm going to be back to having my bike in the room as an icon of luck and 
motivation to get through post-op and rehab. I have other good hands in the 
house for support through this, including a new nurse, so I don't feel so 
obtuse looking forward to getting back on track and having riding goals by 
spring.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


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[RBW] Re: A Hydraulic Disc Brake Rivendell...

[bingomck]

Bill, great bike! Tandem Riv with discs makes sense. 

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 8:24:27 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Mike in SLO asked if my stoker rear brake is full hydro.
>
> It is a full hydro Shimano model.  I don't think Shimano makes a 
> cable/hydro hybrid brake.  I don't know if Shimano makes a cable actuated 
> disc either. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 8:12:46 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> Is the disc brake cable actuated hydraulic piston/brake or is it full 
>> hydraulic?  
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 12:11:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Cronin went on to ask:  " Do you prefer to have the stoker 
>>> feather the rear disc brake rather than have the Captain feather using the 
>>> V-brakes? How do you handle this with communication/commands? "
>>>
>>> There is no protocol in place yet, because I haven't ridden the bike in 
>>> this configuration with a stoker.  I just put the disc brake on last 
>>> night.  I have 5 stokers in mind:
>>>
>>> Stoker #1 is nervous about cycling in general and likes control.  Having 
>>> a brake present will calm their nervousness
>>> Stoker #2 is nervous about cycling and does not like to go too fast.  
>>> Having a brake will enable them to control speed without nagging the 
>>> captain to slow down
>>> Stoker #3 is pretty calm and trusting, and follows instructions 
>>> extremely well.  They are also my heaviest stoker and the one about whom 
>>> I'm most concerned regarding sufficient braking power on a steep descent
>>> Stoker #4 is trusting and follows instructions like #3 but is far 
>>> lighter.  They are also my most likely camping partner, so we may have a 
>>> heavy S24O load
>>> Stoker #5 is an expert mountain bike racer.  They have an excellent 
>>> instinct for scrubbing speed and following the briefest of instructions
>>>
>>> It sounds like you have a system in place that works for you, which is 
>>> very good.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 7:55:11 AM UTC-8 Patrick Cronin wrote:
>>>
 Bill,

 I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how that hydraulic 
 lever/caliper works as a tandem brake compared to a drag brake set up. My 
 HHH has a Paul Klamper linked to a DuraAce bar-end shifter on the stoker's 
 bosco end. The captain's controls are XTR V-brakes like yours. My stokers 
 are used to actuating an Arai drum brake with a friction shifter, so my 
 thinking was that setting up the HHH with a drag function, rather than 
 with 
 a traditional lever, would be most similar. In practice, that has held 
 only 
 somewhat true because the efficiency of the Klamper is exponentially 
 greater than a drum; my 4-year old delights in testing the friction 
 threshold of the rear tire using the Klamper, a feat the Arai drum brake 
 could never accomplish even with herculean effort. The Klamper/bar-end 
 set-up works like a dream on long descents because it can be set and stay 
 on for minutes, if necessary, just like the old Arai drum.

 Do you prefer to have the stoker feather the rear disc brake rather 
 than have the Captain feather using the V-brakes? How do you handle this 
 with communication/commands? Generally, I go with, "brake on", "more", 
 "good", and "brake off". The stoker brake then is only used for drag 
 applications, never feathered or for short bursts. Thus, I have no 
 experience Captaining with a Stoker who has a traditional brake lever.

 Cheers,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 9:49:57 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Tonight I finally got around to an upgrade that I'd been planning for 
> a long long time.  I installed a hydraulic disc brake on the back of my 
> Rivendell HubbuHubbuH tandem.  I'd been making do with XTR V-brakes, but 
> have had a few situations where I definitely wanted a bit more.  Now I 
> have 
> a reliable no-nonsense Shimano M447 hydro disc for the stoker to actuate. 
>  
> Shimano hydro discs work absurdly well, are dead simple to work on, cost 
> practically nothing.  It's a win win win.  I also installed a stoker 
> bell.  
>
> One of my favorite stokers is coming back from college for the 
> holidays, so the upgrades serve as a welcome back.  
>
> Pics prove even big bikes can enjoy their time in the stand:
>
> Hydro brake lever | Flickr 
> 
>  
> Cheap Shimano Hydro Drag | A Shimano M447 hydro caliper give… | Flickr 
> 
>  
> Stoker Bell | This mini Crane gives the stoker a friendly wa… | Flickr 
> 
>
> Bill 

[RBW] Re: 3,000 miles in 2020

[ascpgh]

Between mourning a lost loved one and channelling the grief into personal 
accomplishment, you earn most heartfelt sympathy, deepest respect and 
recognition. A good job Leah. You set an example for your family and all of 
us. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:14:34 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Echoing congrats on accomplishing the 3000 mile goal as well as heartfelt 
> sympathies on the loss of your Dad.
>
> So difficult!
>
> I still recall the phone call in  2004 from my wife during my attempted 
> crossing of the USA on a bicycle tour that my Dad had passed at age 75. 
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> Mercy, I'm only 5 years from that age!
> But also have 2400 miles cycling for the year
> and my Dad never exercised.
>

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[RBW] Re: ...and another orange Hillborne

[lconley]

To quote another member - Approve!

Laing

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:52:53 AM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:

> After lurking for years, I may finally have something to contribute!
>
> I bought this frame from Laing (who managed to keep it in amazing 
> condition) here on the board in August and then promptly... waited for 
> parts to be back in stock. At least I got to enjoy looking at the pearly 
> orange quietly catching the sunlight for a few months.
> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
> Inspired by Rob Perks' Ocean Air Ramblers, I went for a mix of Paul and 
> White Industries parts, with a classic Nitto stem/seatpost combination. The 
> wheels were built by Riv - the MI5 hubs are probably overkill for the 
> riding I do, but I like them.
> [image: IMG_5542.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5547.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5548.jpg]
> After riding moustache, albastache and a variety of flat bars for years, 
> the Shaka Bars are my first try at drop bars, and I'm sold. The Fabio's 
> chest is great to carry snacks and small dogs. I have absolutely no use for 
> the Erlen rack, but it's here for now.
> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
> I'm particularly happy with the shiftings I get from Dura Ace / GRX 
> combination, probably the best I've ever had. After two years of 
> frustrating friction shifting and an unconvincing attempt to combine an XT 
> derailleur with a Microshift shifter on another bike, the precision I get 
> every time I shift on the Hillborne is very satisfying.
>
> It's a fun bike, lighter and faster than I anticipated and I can almost 
> keep up with the electric bikes on the greenway now.
>

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[RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Ed Carolipio]

Hi Phillip,

Welcome to the group. There was a long conversion on this topic a couple of 
years back and, based on what Sam owners say and your preferences, the Sam 
(most recent one with the cantis) would be optimal. The cantis give you the 
option to run wider tires (with or without lugs, with or without fenders) 
relative to the Homer while the Joe geo is better suited to an upright 
handlebar. (Folks do run Joes with a drop bar: just need a stubby stem.) If 
you're worried about the cargo carrying capability of the Sam vs the Joe, 
Sam owners universally say that's not a problem unless you decide to go on 
an extended bike tour. I've owned a Joe and currently have a Homer.

One caveat on the selection is sizing. Riv bike sizing has wide gaps which 
don't necessary line up on PBH across different models. As a guess, maybe 
that's why Riv suggested the Joe? I'd recommend spending a little time on 
the geometry charts between the Sam and Joe for your PBH, and if you can 
imagine how your riding position would be using a bike you already own.

Good luck,
--Ed C.
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:31 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
> overnights.
>
> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
> the Appaloosa.
>
> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-12-03 at 8.03.40 AM.png]
>

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