[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Adam in Indiana]

I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use an 
appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and it 
works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
hydraulic Gevenalle setup.

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:

> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
> shifting more fussy ?
>
> Thanks
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Copenhagen Wheel $1,100

[Patrick Moore]

I'd be interested if I hadn't just spent a large amount (a *really* large
amount!) on another SA hub.

I think Joe Bernard uses one of these? Or else, someone else on this list?
I'll be interested to hear how they perform -- ease of use, reliability,
range, degree of control, etc., as well as how they compare to other
electrification products.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 6:01 PM maxcr  wrote:

> Up for sale my almost new Copenhagen Wheel from Superpedestrian - the app
> says I only logged 68 miles on it for the less than one year since I bought
> it.
>
> I had big plans for my electrified Atlantis, but to be honest with Covid
> my commute was gone and I ended up riding other bikes more. On top of that
> I moved to a new place where I can't roll my bike into a safe storage and
> bringing the bike down the stairs to the basement isn't very functional.
>
> It retails for $1,749 but you can have it for $1,100 plus shipping.
>
> Size 622mm / 700c / 29er
> Road gearing (11X28)
> Rim Silver
>
> Max
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Re: [RBW] Wheel Pull on My Toyo Atlantis?

[Mark Roland]

It can be tricky to get the headset right. This may be partly because of 
the spacer used on the Clems with a traditional 1" headset to get more 
stack height from the fork steerer. Based on your description of the bike's 
behavior, I would suspect a headset that is a bit too tight.

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:22:01 PM UTC-5 nus...@gmail.com wrote:

> The condition is new. But I'm feeling it when the basket is loaded and 
> when it is not. 
>
> I'll give the headset a check.
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>>
>> On 1/11/21 11:42 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, maybe its the basket weight.  I'll take it for a spin w/o the rack 
>> / basket and see if that makes a difference. 
>>
>>
>> Is the basket business new?  If not, is this condition new, or have you 
>> always felt it when you have a load in the basket?  (Unless you have an 
>> exceptionally heavy basket, you really shouldn't be noticing anything in 
>> your steering from that weight.)
>>
>>
>> And then I'll try Steve's advice and just inflate the front tire more. 
>> Not sure, though, how to tell if the headset is bad. At least it doesn't 
>> *feel* bad. 
>>
>>
>> There's an easy quick test for headset too loose -- lock front brake, 
>> rock bike forward, if you feel klunk klunk or movement, headset is too 
>> loose.  Too tight you can sometimes find by lifting front wheel off the 
>> ground, move bars back and forth from side to side, see if you feel 
>> binding, but often for me this has been a "go to a good bike shop" issue.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:39:29 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 1/11/21 11:26 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I need some help from the RBW hive mind. Recently I've noticed a drag or 
>>> catch on my front tire/wheel when I initiate a turn on my Toyo Atlantis. I 
>>> can't tell if its my tires (Gravel King SK 700 x 50) - are they under 
>>> inflated? 
>>>
>>>
>>> What inflation pressure are you using now?   What does the BQ chart call 
>>> for?   Easy diagnostic, just air it up some more and see if it changes.
>>>
>>> Or maybe my headset is over tightened? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Or a bad headset?  Maybe my personal experience is biasing me here, 
>>> since I've had headset issues on a couple of bikes that have caused 
>>> steering issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> But when I turn, I often feel pulled more than is natural or I 
>>> experience on other bikes - like the wheel wants to make a sharp left turn, 
>>> when I intend/want a much milder angle. The attached picture shows the bike 
>>> as currently set up. Other possible culprits include: the front rack (pass 
>>> & stow), perhaps the stubby stem (50mm)--and always (and maybe most likely) 
>>> user error. 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> Denver
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[dougP]

Perhaps this point is obvious to some but it just occurred to me.  A 
manufacturer must design the bike for intended use (touring, racing, etc.) 
so that's one major influence on tubing choice & geometry.   For production 
bikes (as opposed to customs), the design must also address maximum load, 
including rider.  Brendon's observation (above) about the change in 
handling over the course of his mail delivery day is an excellent example.  
For example the 59 cm Clem H may be ridden by riders from say 180 lbs (or 
less?) up to 220 lbs (or more?).  Throw a reasonable expectation of load 
carrying of 30 lbs, and the frame must feel secure at a total weight of 250 
lbs.  If the 180 lb rider rides it with no load, it will feel a great 
stiffer than the 220 lb rider with some load.  This puts the designer / 
manufacturer in the quandry of over-building to handling heaviest expected 
load and under-building to provide a good ride for the lightest situation.  
My guess is the design must always be a compromise to be not overly stiff 
or overly noodly.  

dougP

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:20:00 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Thanks all.  When I said "lumbering hulk" I should have included myself + 
> the bike, not the bike alone.  Peter Fonda looks very serene with his arms 
> up in the air, there.  
>
> Brendonoid, I respect your experience carrying 50 kgs of mail.  I tried 
> the Kwick Nines with less air today--got the rear tire down to 15 psi and 
> it rolled OK.  Will shop for some new tires though.
>
> Jim
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 8:47:05 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> If you are going to talk about the flexing of a Rivendell, built from 
>> fairly sturdy OS tubing, I think going from a 59cm 700c diamond frame to a 
>> 52cm 650b diamond frame will affect flex characteristics more than 
>> strapping a pipe to the top tube. Extra weight can definitely induce flex, 
>> but usually of the undesirable kind. But it also affects steering input and 
>> ride feel, depending on where it is on the bike. 
>>
>> I believe the Clem Smith Jr. is designed in a way that you don't need to 
>> load it down to get a good ride feel.  I have light and flexy bikes, 531 
>> and Tange Prestige, had a custom L'Avecaise with skinny thinny top tube. 
>> While they certainly ride differently than my 650B 52cm Clem L and my 700c 
>> 56cm Susie, I would not describe either of the Rivs as lumbering, even in 
>> comparison. Of course the 2.6" Honchos on the Susie are slower on the road 
>> than the 48mm Switchback Hills on *El Clem*. And while I agree 
>> handlebars can contribute to how we respond to a bicycle, I love getting up 
>> out of the saddle on my Clem and grabbing tight to the Hunt-Wilde finger 
>> grips on my Bullmoose Boscos  to sprint over a small rise, or jam up the 
>> last meters of a hill. Every bit as satisfying as sprinting on a 531 frame 
>> with Maes parallel drop bars! On the other hand, the VO Klunker bars on the 
>> Susie are set just a tad too high to be conducive to an out of the saddle 
>> full wattage effort. But they have other redeeming qualities!
>>
>> [image: easy rider.jpg]
>> I 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 8:01:26 PM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> I think I have an idea. The stiff tubing on your Clem wasn't flexing 
>>> without a load. Bikes work best when they flex a little, your other bikes 
>>> weren't as stiff, the extra weight allows the Clem to "plane". I've heard 
>>> Jan Heine talk about stiffer bikes needing more weight to ride better.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:57:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>
 Jim M, thanks for sharing that about the 52 Clem.  I had wondered how a 
 52 would feel.  I can't help thinking the 55 Atlantis would be perfect, 
 though I'm hesitant to spend that money on a new bike for all the reasons 
 people have said. 

 Really appreciate all the comments and advice.  I've learned a ton from 
 this forum over the last couple years.

 DougP,  yes, I am with you on donating bikes and parts.  Rochester has 
 a great non-profit called R Community Bikes that repairs old bikes and 
 gives them away to people who need them.  I have given them a few.

 Jim W

 On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:

> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 8:24:28 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why I picked up the pipe, Jason.  It seemed like a good 
>> pipe.  
>>
> I have a pipe like that (slightly shorter) to use as a cheater bar. 
>
> I have the same pbh and bought a 52 Clem H that was on sale. It was 
> too small though I fit the theoretical range. I should have gotten the 
> 59. 
> I support the suggestions of better tires/lower pressure. I think you'll 
> feel a big difference. I really liked the Clem other than the sizing.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
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Re: [RBW] Dual tail lights

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

How about a small stainless steel hose clamp? Could work if you have a way to 
hide the hardware?



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> On Jan 11, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> And I forgot to ask my question: I hear that there are metal zip ties. I 
> don't think that the ~ 4mm plastic one holding the Secula to the stay is 
> going to break soon, but perhaps a metal one could be pulled a bit tighter 
> without that risk.
> 
> Can one find say 5 mm metal zip ties that cinch things up very tight? The 
> Secula is designed to be attached with a zip tie, with a rubber shoulder 
> where it contacts the stay, and I further wrapped a small piece of innertube 
> around the stay for more grip. 
> 
> Advice, and source/s?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:30 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
> Well, it worked. I installed the Bilenky-modified st steel Tubus rear rack 
> (brazed bridge strut, hole for internal wire thru central platform tube), and 
> decided to install a Secula light on the left stay to supplement the 
> rack-mounted lamp. Tidied everything up with heat-shrink tubing and it 
> doesn't look bad. Soldered wires or, better, demontable wires with plugs 
> would have been even better, but I don't have the soldering skills or the 
> plug equipment. Still, it doesn't look bad.
> 
> The tail light power wire runs through a tube itself running thru the top 
> tube, and exits on the bottom of the tt just forward of the st, then runs 
> down to another ditto opening at the inside top of the left seatstay.
> 
> At this point I spliced in a short power wire to the Secula zip tied to the 
> stay just above the bridge, then ran the ground wire to the Secula together 
> with the power wire to the rack light down the stay, both exiting just above 
> the bridge; the ground clamped to the rack bridge mounting bolt, and the 
> power wire entering the rack tube nearby and running as usual to the rear 
> light. The rear lamp's ground is very short, and runs from plug to nearest 
> bolt holding light to rack.
> 
> Given that I really think I am somewhat dyslexic, I was very pleased to see 
> that it all worked and, more, doesn't look completely bodged. The junction of 
> wires between rear of tt and top of seatstay is not too untidy; heat shrink 
> tubing does wonders.
> 
> Small change for those of you who do professional-quality wiring, but it 
> pleased me.
> 
> Now I have a backup that doesn't require charging or new batteries; the 2 
> lamps plus a big reflective triangle or Sam Browne should keep me safe.
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> 
> 
> 
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[RBW] FS: Copenhagen Wheel $1,100

[maxcr]

Up for sale my almost new Copenhagen Wheel from Superpedestrian - the app 
says I only logged 68 miles on it for the less than one year since I bought 
it.

I had big plans for my electrified Atlantis, but to be honest with Covid my 
commute was gone and I ended up riding other bikes more. On top of that I 
moved to a new place where I can't roll my bike into a safe storage and 
bringing the bike down the stairs to the basement isn't very functional.

It retails for $1,749 but you can have it for $1,100 plus shipping.

Size 622mm / 700c / 29er
Road gearing (11X28)
Rim Silver

Max

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[RBW] Re: Completing the Rivendell catalog archive

[Eric Marth]

After some research and consultation with John Bennett I have determined 
(decided?) that the collection of Rivendell catalogs I posted is indeed a 
full run. In looking at completed auctions, blog posts and completed sales 
including Bike Tinker's "Rivendell Propaganda" post and sale as well as the 
Bike Recyclery Riv/Bstone lot, I can't find evidence of catalogs that I 
don't have. 

There are some numbering irregularities that lead to a bit of confusion. 
The second catalog is labeled Number 3. And it seems the count was lost 
somewhere along the line. While the most recent catalog is "The twentieth 
catalog," there are only 18 total catalogs. If you consider my pictures of 
the catalog run you can disregard the 2018 frames catalog (horizontal 
layout, illustrated cover). 

Thanks to all for the help and if anyone has information to contribute or 
theories to disprove please let me know. 

On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 12:52:09 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:

> not the host of the archive, but a happy and frequent user of it.
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've considered it and think it would be valuable to those interested. 
>> Some great articles and gear not to mention heartbreaking prices of yore. 
>>
>> Do you host the readers archive? 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 2:45:26 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> would you ever consider digitizing them and adding to the readers 
>>> archive ?  i know it'd be a ton of 
>>> work...
>>>
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 7:00:51 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Pete. I've got that one! Crazy and fun

 On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 3:27:26 PM UTC-5 Pete B wrote:

> Eric, keep an eye out for the "Hiawathan Holidays" catalogs. I have 
> the second one, 22 pages on newsprint. It's notable because the 
> descriptions for each item in the catalog are written in verse. Pics 
> below.
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 9:13:21 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> As some of you may have noticed from my previous posts this year, I'm 
>> attempting to catalog a full run of Rivendell catalogs. For now I am 
>> focussed only on catalogs and not attending to flyers and bike 
>> announcements. Here are pictures of what I've amassed so far. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_3061.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3062.JPG]
>>
>> I'm unsure what's missing and hopeful that some stray members can 
>> help fill in the gaps. At this point I'm trying to get some kind of 
>> record 
>> of what I'm missing. I would be interested to purchase missing catalogs 
>> as 
>> well. 
>>
>> This is tricky as the catalogs were dated, then dated and numbered, 
>> then dated, and then numbered. From what I can tell I am missing the 
>> first 
>> catalog and perhaps another somewhere down the line. 
>>
>> Things get fuzzy late in the run. Catalog 19 is undated but has a the 
>> tweed Nigel Smythe borders of the previous two catalogs, suggesting 
>> somewhere around 2007. I had assumed that the undated 20th catalog 
>> (black 
>> and white cover) is the most recent. But then there's the 2018 bicycles 
>> and 
>> frames catalog which is unnumbered, suggesting this is the 21st.
>>
>> Thanks again for input and wisdom. 
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto lugged stem

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

10cm reach, 26.0 clamp, great shape, $115

Jeff
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[Jim Whorton]

Thanks all.  When I said "lumbering hulk" I should have included myself + 
the bike, not the bike alone.  Peter Fonda looks very serene with his arms 
up in the air, there.  

Brendonoid, I respect your experience carrying 50 kgs of mail.  I tried the 
Kwick Nines with less air today--got the rear tire down to 15 psi and it 
rolled OK.  Will shop for some new tires though.

Jim

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 8:47:05 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> If you are going to talk about the flexing of a Rivendell, built from 
> fairly sturdy OS tubing, I think going from a 59cm 700c diamond frame to a 
> 52cm 650b diamond frame will affect flex characteristics more than 
> strapping a pipe to the top tube. Extra weight can definitely induce flex, 
> but usually of the undesirable kind. But it also affects steering input and 
> ride feel, depending on where it is on the bike. 
>
> I believe the Clem Smith Jr. is designed in a way that you don't need to 
> load it down to get a good ride feel.  I have light and flexy bikes, 531 
> and Tange Prestige, had a custom L'Avecaise with skinny thinny top tube. 
> While they certainly ride differently than my 650B 52cm Clem L and my 700c 
> 56cm Susie, I would not describe either of the Rivs as lumbering, even in 
> comparison. Of course the 2.6" Honchos on the Susie are slower on the road 
> than the 48mm Switchback Hills on *El Clem*. And while I agree handlebars 
> can contribute to how we respond to a bicycle, I love getting up out of the 
> saddle on my Clem and grabbing tight to the Hunt-Wilde finger grips on my 
> Bullmoose Boscos  to sprint over a small rise, or jam up the last meters of 
> a hill. Every bit as satisfying as sprinting on a 531 frame with Maes 
> parallel drop bars! On the other hand, the VO Klunker bars on the Susie are 
> set just a tad too high to be conducive to an out of the saddle full 
> wattage effort. But they have other redeeming qualities!
>
> [image: easy rider.jpg]
> I 
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 8:01:26 PM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>
>> I think I have an idea. The stiff tubing on your Clem wasn't flexing 
>> without a load. Bikes work best when they flex a little, your other bikes 
>> weren't as stiff, the extra weight allows the Clem to "plane". I've heard 
>> Jan Heine talk about stiffer bikes needing more weight to ride better.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:57:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Jim M, thanks for sharing that about the 52 Clem.  I had wondered how a 
>>> 52 would feel.  I can't help thinking the 55 Atlantis would be perfect, 
>>> though I'm hesitant to spend that money on a new bike for all the reasons 
>>> people have said. 
>>>
>>> Really appreciate all the comments and advice.  I've learned a ton from 
>>> this forum over the last couple years.
>>>
>>> DougP,  yes, I am with you on donating bikes and parts.  Rochester has a 
>>> great non-profit called R Community Bikes that repairs old bikes and gives 
>>> them away to people who need them.  I have given them a few.
>>>
>>> Jim W
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 8:24:28 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:

> I'm not sure why I picked up the pipe, Jason.  It seemed like a good 
> pipe.  
>
 I have a pipe like that (slightly shorter) to use as a cheater bar. 

 I have the same pbh and bought a 52 Clem H that was on sale. It was too 
 small though I fit the theoretical range. I should have gotten the 59. I 
 support the suggestions of better tires/lower pressure. I think you'll 
 feel 
 a big difference. I really liked the Clem other than the sizing.

 jim m
 walnut creek

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Dual tail lights

[ascpgh]

Patrick the offset of the upper will hasten a driver to move left sooner if 
they are recognizing what they're attached to!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 6:30:50 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Well, it worked. I installed the Bilenky-modified st steel Tubus rear rack 
> (brazed bridge strut, hole for internal wire thru central platform tube), 
> and decided to install a Secula light on the left stay to supplement the 
> rack-mounted lamp. Tidied everything up with heat-shrink tubing and it 
> doesn't look bad. Soldered wires or, better, demontable wires with plugs 
> would have been even better, but I don't have the soldering skills or the 
> plug equipment. Still, it doesn't look bad.
>
> The tail light power wire runs through a tube itself running thru the top 
> tube, and exits on the bottom of the tt just forward of the st, then runs 
> down to another ditto opening at the inside top of the left seatstay.
>
> At this point I spliced in a short power wire to the Secula zip tied to 
> the stay just above the bridge, then ran the ground wire to the Secula 
> together with the power wire to the rack light down the stay, both exiting 
> just above the bridge; the ground clamped to the rack bridge mounting bolt, 
> and the power wire entering the rack tube nearby and running as usual to 
> the rear light. The rear lamp's ground is very short, and runs from plug to 
> nearest bolt holding light to rack.
>
> Given that I really think I am somewhat dyslexic, I was very pleased to 
> see that it all worked and, more, doesn't look completely bodged. The 
> junction of wires between rear of tt and top of seatstay is not too untidy; 
> heat shrink tubing does wonders.
>
> Small change for those of you who do professional-quality wiring, but it 
> pleased me.
>
> Now I have a backup that doesn't require charging or new batteries; the 2 
> lamps plus a big reflective triangle or Sam Browne should keep me safe.
>
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[RBW] Re: Dual tail lights

[Patrick Moore]

And I forgot to ask my question: I hear that there are metal zip ties. I
don't think that the ~ 4mm plastic one holding the Secula to the stay is
going to break soon, but perhaps a metal one could be pulled a bit tighter
without that risk.

Can one find say 5 mm metal zip ties that cinch things up very tight? The
Secula is designed to be attached with a zip tie, with a rubber shoulder
where it contacts the stay, and I further wrapped a small piece of
innertube around the stay for more grip.

Advice, and source/s?

Thanks.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:30 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Well, it worked. I installed the Bilenky-modified st steel Tubus rear rack
> (brazed bridge strut, hole for internal wire thru central platform tube),
> and decided to install a Secula light on the left stay to supplement the
> rack-mounted lamp. Tidied everything up with heat-shrink tubing and it
> doesn't look bad. Soldered wires or, better, demontable wires with plugs
> would have been even better, but I don't have the soldering skills or the
> plug equipment. Still, it doesn't look bad.
>
> The tail light power wire runs through a tube itself running thru the top
> tube, and exits on the bottom of the tt just forward of the st, then runs
> down to another ditto opening at the inside top of the left seatstay.
>
> At this point I spliced in a short power wire to the Secula zip tied to
> the stay just above the bridge, then ran the ground wire to the Secula
> together with the power wire to the rack light down the stay, both exiting
> just above the bridge; the ground clamped to the rack bridge mounting bolt,
> and the power wire entering the rack tube nearby and running as usual to
> the rear light. The rear lamp's ground is very short, and runs from plug to
> nearest bolt holding light to rack.
>
> Given that I really think I am somewhat dyslexic, I was very pleased to
> see that it all worked and, more, doesn't look completely bodged. The
> junction of wires between rear of tt and top of seatstay is not too untidy;
> heat shrink tubing does wonders.
>
> Small change for those of you who do professional-quality wiring, but it
> pleased me.
>
> Now I have a backup that doesn't require charging or new batteries; the 2
> lamps plus a big reflective triangle or Sam Browne should keep me safe.
>
> --
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> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they are not
attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:

>
> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
> taillight pictured and sold here:
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>
> Huston
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from
>> them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug
>> has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Thanks everyone, I did buy 2 Koma rears, now to find a front.

Huston, it is the same as the Kiley, they show a box but I have no idea how
to order from them, there is nothing indicating how.  Maybe a phone call

Thanks again

Joel

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:

>
> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
> taillight pictured and sold here:
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>
> Huston
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from
>> them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug
>> has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 58cm - 60cm Frameset

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Michael,

Here are a few:

62 Appaloosa
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/CFJkC3dC9cY

56 Sam Hillborne
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333850573504

60cm Sam Hillborne
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224306196723
(contact the seller--may still be available)




On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:47 AM, Michael J.  wrote:

> Hey all!
> 
> I am on the hunt for a 58cm to 60cm or so Rivendell *something*! My only 
> requirements are as follows:
> 
> 1) Double Top-Tube
> 2) Canti / Linear Pull Brakes
> 3) Minimum Tire Clearance of 40mm 
> 
> I am literally up for whatever. I used to have a black/cream Sam Hillborne 
> that I (regrettably) sold—I need something back!
> 
> If you have anything you’re aware of, or if anyone has something they are 
> looking to move on, please reach out and let me know! My PBH is right around 
> 90-91 cm. I am not interested in buying a complete bike—just F/F/HS. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Michael
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[RBW] Re: Found Wheel in Seattle

[Mark Roland]

When Rich first posted, I was going to surmise that the wheel fell off  a 
bike that was on a car rack. But then my internet connection went down and 
I forgot. Last weekend I drove off with my favorite winter boots on the top 
of my car. (I was planning to ride in them, but I don't like operating 
clutch, brake, gas with them. ) When I reached my destination and realized 
what I had done, I texted a friend who went and found them. They were 
neatly together at the curb about a half mile from my house. Picked up and 
placed there by a shoemaritan, no doubt.

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Pretty wild not only for this wheel to end up on the sidewalk but for 
> someone who know what it was to call Rich! Hopeful for the wheel's reunion 
> with its bike. 
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
>>
>> I just got a call from a fellow who found a Deore XT/Dyad 700/36 wheel 
>> with the Hands on Wheels sticker. Just lying on the sidewalk. If anyone in 
>> the Seattle Area (found in the Magnolia neighborhood) lost a bike or wheel 
>> like that, let me know and I'll give you his number. Nice guy, used to work 
>> at Ocean Cyclery in SF.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Wheel Pull on My Toyo Atlantis?

[Joe Bernard]

That was always a problem for me with big racks and baskets on the front of 
Rivs, they are high trail and not designed for it. Of course some people 
think it's fine and do it anyway, but I'm not a fan. 


On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 10:22:01 AM UTC-8 nus...@gmail.com wrote:

> The condition is new. But I'm feeling it when the basket is loaded and 
> when it is not. 
>
> I'll give the headset a check.
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>>
>> On 1/11/21 11:42 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, maybe its the basket weight.  I'll take it for a spin w/o the rack 
>> / basket and see if that makes a difference. 
>>
>>
>> Is the basket business new?  If not, is this condition new, or have you 
>> always felt it when you have a load in the basket?  (Unless you have an 
>> exceptionally heavy basket, you really shouldn't be noticing anything in 
>> your steering from that weight.)
>>
>>
>> And then I'll try Steve's advice and just inflate the front tire more. 
>> Not sure, though, how to tell if the headset is bad. At least it doesn't 
>> *feel* bad. 
>>
>>
>> There's an easy quick test for headset too loose -- lock front brake, 
>> rock bike forward, if you feel klunk klunk or movement, headset is too 
>> loose.  Too tight you can sometimes find by lifting front wheel off the 
>> ground, move bars back and forth from side to side, see if you feel 
>> binding, but often for me this has been a "go to a good bike shop" issue.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:39:29 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 1/11/21 11:26 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I need some help from the RBW hive mind. Recently I've noticed a drag or 
>>> catch on my front tire/wheel when I initiate a turn on my Toyo Atlantis. I 
>>> can't tell if its my tires (Gravel King SK 700 x 50) - are they under 
>>> inflated? 
>>>
>>>
>>> What inflation pressure are you using now?   What does the BQ chart call 
>>> for?   Easy diagnostic, just air it up some more and see if it changes.
>>>
>>> Or maybe my headset is over tightened? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Or a bad headset?  Maybe my personal experience is biasing me here, 
>>> since I've had headset issues on a couple of bikes that have caused 
>>> steering issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> But when I turn, I often feel pulled more than is natural or I 
>>> experience on other bikes - like the wheel wants to make a sharp left turn, 
>>> when I intend/want a much milder angle. The attached picture shows the bike 
>>> as currently set up. Other possible culprits include: the front rack (pass 
>>> & stow), perhaps the stubby stem (50mm)--and always (and maybe most likely) 
>>> user error. 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> Denver
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Huston]

I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered 
taillight pictured and sold here: https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html
.

Huston

 
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from them 
> last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug has 
> the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable. 
>
> Thanks 
>
>
> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
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[RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Dave S]

https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights


On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from them 
> last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug has 
> the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable. 
>
> Thanks 
>
>
> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
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Re: [RBW] Mb-1 closest modern riv relative

[Philip Barrett]

Old = Sold :)

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:36:44 PM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:

> Thanks...that one is old but I'm working on a couple more, here's a sneak 
> "before" preview of something I found this weekend for $160;
>
> [image: PXL_20210110_235059925.jpg]
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 11:28:07 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Beautiful build 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:58 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Until 2 weeks ago I was still riding mine. Finally let it go via ebay.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201220_204049405.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 5:17:14 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 A lightweight, low stack mountain bike? Nothing at Riv is like this 
 anymore.

 On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:18 AM Sam Perez  wrote:

> Hi all,
> What is the closest modern riv relative to the bridgestone MB-1?  And 
> is anyone still riding them? Feel free to share pics! 
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[RBW] Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel S]

Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from them 
last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug has 
the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable. 

Thanks 

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Re: [RBW] Wheel Pull on My Toyo Atlantis?

[nus...@gmail.com]

The condition is new. But I'm feeling it when the basket is loaded and when 
it is not. 

I'll give the headset a check.

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:

>
> On 1/11/21 11:42 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yeah, maybe its the basket weight.  I'll take it for a spin w/o the rack / 
> basket and see if that makes a difference. 
>
>
> Is the basket business new?  If not, is this condition new, or have you 
> always felt it when you have a load in the basket?  (Unless you have an 
> exceptionally heavy basket, you really shouldn't be noticing anything in 
> your steering from that weight.)
>
>
> And then I'll try Steve's advice and just inflate the front tire more. Not 
> sure, though, how to tell if the headset is bad. At least it doesn't 
> *feel* bad. 
>
>
> There's an easy quick test for headset too loose -- lock front brake, rock 
> bike forward, if you feel klunk klunk or movement, headset is too loose.  
> Too tight you can sometimes find by lifting front wheel off the ground, 
> move bars back and forth from side to side, see if you feel binding, but 
> often for me this has been a "go to a good bike shop" issue.
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:39:29 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>>
>> On 1/11/21 11:26 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I need some help from the RBW hive mind. Recently I've noticed a drag or 
>> catch on my front tire/wheel when I initiate a turn on my Toyo Atlantis. I 
>> can't tell if its my tires (Gravel King SK 700 x 50) - are they under 
>> inflated? 
>>
>>
>> What inflation pressure are you using now?   What does the BQ chart call 
>> for?   Easy diagnostic, just air it up some more and see if it changes.
>>
>> Or maybe my headset is over tightened? 
>>
>>
>> Or a bad headset?  Maybe my personal experience is biasing me here, since 
>> I've had headset issues on a couple of bikes that have caused steering 
>> issues.
>>
>>
>> But when I turn, I often feel pulled more than is natural or I experience 
>> on other bikes - like the wheel wants to make a sharp left turn, when I 
>> intend/want a much milder angle. The attached picture shows the bike as 
>> currently set up. Other possible culprits include: the front rack (pass & 
>> stow), perhaps the stubby stem (50mm)--and always (and maybe most likely) 
>> user error. 
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Andrew
>> Denver
>>
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Re: [RBW] Larger alternate to rat trap pass tires

[Sam Perez]

Nice just saw the video, found that surly makes some 2.5 but the casing
looks harsh.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 7:55 AM True Golden  wrote:

> Perhaps not quite as fat as you are looking for but this guy discusses a
> few 26x2.3 folding tires.
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tQBYjMwE7Mg
>
>
> I used an earlier version of that Michelin Pilot over a few years and over
> 2500 miles or so and was pleased with how  they rode and and held up.
> They're not too heavy at around 650g I think he said.
>
>
> Also he mentions a Maxxis DTH folding tire in a 26x2.3.
>
>
> I've ridden that DTH tire in a 26x2.15 and have also like it quite a bit.
>
> The ones I tried were not quite a Rat Trap Pass but not all that far
> behind in my view and for my purposes proving to be more flat resistant for
> my urban riding.
>
> Good riding
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mb-1 closest modern riv relative

[Sam Perez]

Nice yeah I've seen some beautiful builds and one rolled by me yesterday in
Berkeley.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 11:14 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> In construction, Atlantis..especially the earlier Toyo/Waterford models.
> Which was never a full-on mountain bike as the MB-1 was marketed, but that
> bike wouldn't qualify as a mountain bike today.
>
> In spirit and intent, the Gus/Susie Hillibikes. I just picked up this
> Susie/Wolbis, it's sweet.*
>
> *All statements expressed are opinions. What the heck do I know? 路
>
> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 10:18:49 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> What is the closest modern riv relative to the bridgestone MB-1?  And is
>> anyone still riding them? Feel free to share pics!
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Re: [RBW] Wheel Pull on My Toyo Atlantis?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 1/11/21 11:42 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, maybe its the basket weight.  I'll take it for a spin w/o the 
rack / basket and see if that makes a difference. 



Is the basket business new?  If not, is this condition new, or have you 
always felt it when you have a load in the basket? (Unless you have an 
exceptionally heavy basket, you really shouldn't be noticing anything in 
your steering from that weight.)



And then I'll try Steve's advice and just inflate the front tire more. 
Not sure, though, how to tell if the headset is bad. At least it 
doesn't /feel/ bad.



There's an easy quick test for headset too loose -- lock front brake, 
rock bike forward, if you feel klunk klunk or movement, headset is too 
loose.  Too tight you can sometimes find by lifting front wheel off the 
ground, move bars back and forth from side to side, see if you feel 
binding, but often for me this has been a "go to a good bike shop" issue.




On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:39:29 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:


On 1/11/21 11:26 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:

I need some help from the RBW hive mind. Recently I've noticed a
drag or catch on my front tire/wheel when I initiate a turn on my
Toyo Atlantis. I can't tell if its my tires (Gravel King SK 700 x
50) - are they under inflated? 



What inflation pressure are you using now?   What does the BQ
chart call for?   Easy diagnostic, just air it up some more and
see if it changes.

Or maybe my headset is over tightened? 



Or a bad headset?  Maybe my personal experience is biasing me
here, since I've had headset issues on a couple of bikes that have
caused steering issues.



But when I turn, I often feel pulled more than is natural or I
experience on other bikes - like the wheel wants to make a sharp
left turn, when I intend/want a much milder angle. The attached
picture shows the bike as currently set up. Other possible
culprits include: the front rack (pass & stow), perhaps the
stubby stem (50mm)--and always (and maybe most likely) user error.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew
Denver
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Re: [RBW] Wheel Pull on My Toyo Atlantis?

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Yeah, maybe its the basket weight.  I'll take it for a spin w/o the rack / 
basket and see if that makes a difference. And then I'll try Steve's advice 
and just inflate the front tire more. Not sure, though, how to tell if the 
headset is bad. At least it doesn't *feel* bad. 

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:39:29 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:

>
> On 1/11/21 11:26 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I need some help from the RBW hive mind. Recently I've noticed a drag or 
> catch on my front tire/wheel when I initiate a turn on my Toyo Atlantis. I 
> can't tell if its my tires (Gravel King SK 700 x 50) - are they under 
> inflated? 
>
>
> What inflation pressure are you using now?   What does the BQ chart call 
> for?   Easy diagnostic, just air it up some more and see if it changes.
>
> Or maybe my headset is over tightened? 
>
>
> Or a bad headset?  Maybe my personal experience is biasing me here, since 
> I've had headset issues on a couple of bikes that have caused steering 
> issues.
>
>
> But when I turn, I often feel pulled more than is natural or I experience 
> on other bikes - like the wheel wants to make a sharp left turn, when I 
> intend/want a much milder angle. The attached picture shows the bike as 
> currently set up. Other possible culprits include: the front rack (pass & 
> stow), perhaps the stubby stem (50mm)--and always (and maybe most likely) 
> user error. 
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Andrew
> Denver
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Re: [RBW] Wheel Pull on My Toyo Atlantis?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 1/11/21 11:26 AM, nus...@gmail.com wrote:
I need some help from the RBW hive mind. Recently I've noticed a drag 
or catch on my front tire/wheel when I initiate a turn on my Toyo 
Atlantis. I can't tell if its my tires (Gravel King SK 700 x 50) - are 
they under inflated? 



What inflation pressure are you using now?   What does the BQ chart call 
for?   Easy diagnostic, just air it up some more and see if it changes.


Or maybe my headset is over tightened? 



Or a bad headset?  Maybe my personal experience is biasing me here, 
since I've had headset issues on a couple of bikes that have caused 
steering issues.



But when I turn, I often feel pulled more than is natural or I 
experience on other bikes - like the wheel wants to make a sharp left 
turn, when I intend/want a much milder angle. The attached picture 
shows the bike as currently set up. Other possible culprits include: 
the front rack (pass & stow), perhaps the stubby stem (50mm)--and 
always (and maybe most likely) user error.


Thanks in advance,

Andrew
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Pull on My Toyo Atlantis?

[Collin A]

Hey Andrew,

I had a similar feeling when I had my Clem with a P rack with a heavy 
basket load...took some effort to manage the steering and didn't feel the 
same. Issue was resolved when I put less weight up front (during camping, 
it meant the sleeping setup) and switched to a smaller surly 8-pack 
rack...no ideas if the weight was any different, but it did make it less 
"twitchy." I can't comment on the GK tires, but I have had some self steer 
issues when using too-big-a-tire at too-low-a-pressure as well.

Cheers, 
Collin, in Sacramento

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 8:26:10 AM UTC-8 nus...@gmail.com wrote:

> I need some help from the RBW hive mind. Recently I've noticed a drag or 
> catch on my front tire/wheel when I initiate a turn on my Toyo Atlantis. I 
> can't tell if its my tires (Gravel King SK 700 x 50) - are they under 
> inflated? Or maybe my headset is over tightened? But when I turn, I often 
> feel pulled more than is natural or I experience on other bikes - like the 
> wheel wants to make a sharp left turn, when I intend/want a much milder 
> angle. The attached picture shows the bike as currently set up. Other 
> possible culprits include: the front rack (pass & stow), perhaps the stubby 
> stem (50mm)--and always (and maybe most likely) user error.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Andrew
> Denver
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[RBW] Re: Anything / Cargo Cage mounted to seat stays or fork braze-ons?

[Collin A]

Hey,

The front mounts won't work thanks to the spacing. The rear will be tricky 
because the seat stays aren't in line with the bolt faces (i.e. eyelets are 
perpendicular to the center-line of the frame, but are about 1-3 cm 
laterally offset)...spacing isn't also perfectly set, and you have to deal 
with m5 and m6 bolts.

You might be able to get something to work by using the b-rad cage adapters 
from wolftooth (the really long ones). Another option is to use those king 
cage USB adapters for the seat stay and bolt one of the cage holes to it, 
either way, not a particularly elegant solution, and neither of these are 
recommended for the fork I believe...

Also, look at this rack if you are trying to find the 3-pack mounts and 
still be light-ish (I think 500-ish grams?). You also get a saddle bag 
carrier!   http://www.tumbleweed.cc/store/t-rack  

In summary, it'd be a lot of work, and you are probably best with using 
bags with minimal supports like the caradice , etc. if you want to reduce 
the dead weight on your frame.

Cheers,
Collin in Sacramento

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 10:39:44 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:

> Has anyone ever bolted an anything style cage to their Riv seat stay or 
> fork rack mounts? With four rack mounts on frames like the Appaloosa, 
> Atlantis, and Hillborne, I wonder if it's possible to bolt on an anything 
> cage.  Could be an alternative to running a traditional rack if the spacing 
> is correct. Photoshopped mock-up picture attached of what I'm talking 
> about. 
>
> [image: appaloosaorangedrivesideframe_anything.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Selling my Green Sam Hillborne

[Brendan Willard in SF]

   Does Craigslist flag listings without any asking price?

Ahh yes.  I was flustered at trying to post this for the 6th time, and did 
not copy the most important piece of info...

$1250

Brendan in SF

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 6:12:53 AM UTC-8 Bill Schairer wrote:

> Does Craigslist flag listings without any asking price?
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 4:28:59 PM UTC-8 Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
>> BTW, a one have an idea why my Craigslist posting keeps getting flagged? 
>> Text is exactly the same as here. 
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Re: [RBW] Selling my Green Sam Hillborne

[Bill Schairer]

Does Craigslist flag listings without any asking price?

Bill S
San Diego

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> BTW, a one have an idea why my Craigslist posting keeps getting flagged? 
> Text is exactly the same as here. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weight question / I'm obviously confused

[Mark Roland]

If you are going to talk about the flexing of a Rivendell, built from 
fairly sturdy OS tubing, I think going from a 59cm 700c diamond frame to a 
52cm 650b diamond frame will affect flex characteristics more than 
strapping a pipe to the top tube. Extra weight can definitely induce flex, 
but usually of the undesirable kind. But it also affects steering input and 
ride feel, depending on where it is on the bike. 

I believe the Clem Smith Jr. is designed in a way that you don't need to 
load it down to get a good ride feel.  I have light and flexy bikes, 531 
and Tange Prestige, had a custom L'Avecaise with skinny thinny top tube. 
While they certainly ride differently than my 650B 52cm Clem L and my 700c 
56cm Susie, I would not describe either of the Rivs as lumbering, even in 
comparison. Of course the 2.6" Honchos on the Susie are slower on the road 
than the 48mm Switchback Hills on *El Clem*. And while I agree handlebars 
can contribute to how we respond to a bicycle, I love getting up out of the 
saddle on my Clem and grabbing tight to the Hunt-Wilde finger grips on my 
Bullmoose Boscos  to sprint over a small rise, or jam up the last meters of 
a hill. Every bit as satisfying as sprinting on a 531 frame with Maes 
parallel drop bars! On the other hand, the VO Klunker bars on the Susie are 
set just a tad too high to be conducive to an out of the saddle full 
wattage effort. But they have other redeeming qualities!

[image: easy rider.jpg]
I 

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 8:01:26 PM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:

> I think I have an idea. The stiff tubing on your Clem wasn't flexing 
> without a load. Bikes work best when they flex a little, your other bikes 
> weren't as stiff, the extra weight allows the Clem to "plane". I've heard 
> Jan Heine talk about stiffer bikes needing more weight to ride better.
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:57:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Jim M, thanks for sharing that about the 52 Clem.  I had wondered how a 
>> 52 would feel.  I can't help thinking the 55 Atlantis would be perfect, 
>> though I'm hesitant to spend that money on a new bike for all the reasons 
>> people have said. 
>>
>> Really appreciate all the comments and advice.  I've learned a ton from 
>> this forum over the last couple years.
>>
>> DougP,  yes, I am with you on donating bikes and parts.  Rochester has a 
>> great non-profit called R Community Bikes that repairs old bikes and gives 
>> them away to people who need them.  I have given them a few.
>>
>> Jim W
>>
>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 8:24:28 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure why I picked up the pipe, Jason.  It seemed like a good 
 pipe.  

>>> I have a pipe like that (slightly shorter) to use as a cheater bar. 
>>>
>>> I have the same pbh and bought a 52 Clem H that was on sale. It was too 
>>> small though I fit the theoretical range. I should have gotten the 59. I 
>>> support the suggestions of better tires/lower pressure. I think you'll feel 
>>> a big difference. I really liked the Clem other than the sizing.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> walnut creek
>>>
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