Re: [RBW] Electric bicycles (Was: Copenhagen wheel)

[Patrick Moore]

Aha; thanks. I will archive this with the rest, for the future. In the
future, at least my personal electric future, say 2023-4, I expect
ready-to-ride electric bikes will be much cheaper than today, but if they
are more than $1500, then adding one of these to my Monocog might be a good
option.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:30 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> This is whatcha need for a complete plug-n-play BBSHD kit with a good
> battery, I built a couple Rivs with it and may do another someday. Gonna
> run you about $1500, any halfway competent bike mechanic can do it
> themselves.
>
> https://lunacycle.com/bafang-bbshd-1000w-middrive-kit/
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 1:12:49 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this description of an add-on alternative. I see that you can
>> buy the kit online for under $400, though I guess that doesn't include the
>> battery, and I guess a couple of hundred more to have the bike shop install
>> it? (Actually, I'd source it through the bike shop too, if possible, to
>> give them more ownership as well as the business.)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:36 AM Keith Weaver  wrote:
>>
>>> I have an XO-3 that I had a shop install a Bafang BBS02 system on
>>> several years back. It uses a Revelate 1/2 frame bag to hold the battery
>>> just under the top tube, while still allowing me to run a small water
>>> bottle in the seat tube cage. The system has plenty of power for me, and
>>> has given me a range of almost 40 miles, although I've only run out of
>>> battery once.
>>>
>>> This is a "mid-drive" system that replaces the crankset and bottom
>>> bracket, with the motor sitting just ahead of the bottom bracket. I'd
>>> recommend doing a bit of research on mid-drives vs hub motors, the option
>>> that will work best for you may depend on the kind terrain you intend to
>>> ride on. I've read that hub motors aren't as well suited to long, steep
>>> hills as mid-drives.
>>>
>>> I went with a shop install because I wanted to have someone to repair it
>>> if needed, but if doing it again, I'd probably do it myself and save a lot
>>> of money. Bafang kits are available for much less than I paid, most with a
>>> battery that mounts to the down tube cage mounts. I might recommend the
>>> BBSHD, as it is a bit more robust than my BBS02, and doesn't have the
>>> problem with the driveshaft bearing that I ended up repairing myself.
>>>
>>> I will say that my kit is not as "natural" feeling as other ebikes I've
>>> tried, because it only has a cadence sensor, no torque sensor. This can
>>> result in the motor engaging in a bit of a jerky manner at times.
>>> Nonetheless, for retro-fitting an existing bike, I think a mid-drive is a
>>> great way to go. Another benefit of my kit is that it includes a throttle.
>>> I don't use it often, but it's great to be able to get a burst of speed
>>> when trying to get into a left turn lane on a higher-speed street.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:55 PM Sky Coulter  wrote:
>>>
 Nice bike!  I’d love the new gsd r14 for me if i was upgrading. I
 bought my wife a riese and muller load 75 to take our youngest to preschool
 after getting my ebike off craigslist. She loves it and uses it mosy
 days...sky

 On Jan 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:

 I went with an option that was definitely not the most cost effective
 but it is one I would do again now that I’ve been using it for over a year.
 I went with a Tern GSD S00 e-cargo bike.

 The bike takes up about the same amount of room as a normal bike but
 can carry 400 lbs. It also adjusts to fit nearly any rider so my 5’ 2” wife
 can ride it by quickly adjusting the saddle and bars. I ike the included
 panniers but do miss the larger size of my old Xtracycle bags sometimes. I
 added a front rack to add some cargo carrying capacity.

 The Bosch system feels just like a normal bike due to the torque
 sensor. It just feels like I have Lance’s legs instead of my own. The
 interesting thing for me is that my average heart rate is the same on the
 e-bike as it is on my other bikes. I just get more speed out of it.

 https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-XWgxBkQ/A

 I added an extra battery to mine and can get a bit over 60 miles using
 the highest assist level.   At the lowest assist it would be well over 100
 miles. One battery would do about half that I believe. I rarely use my car
 for errands these days. It only gets fired up for fun stuff.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 
 I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my
 contact was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did
 seem, to me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful
 technology.

 And this leads me to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Electric bicycles (Was: Copenhagen wheel)

[Patrick Moore]

Gaak! I'll just drive my car, thank you. After all, I drive far less than
500 miles a year in a 15-year-old car, so my carbon traces are far smaller
than those of most travelers.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 6:49 PM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Those conversions are all fine and dandy, but I test rode the Cake Osa,
> and it is the future.
>
> https://ridecake.com/en/shop/bikes/osa/osa/
>
> I will be getting one sometime in the next few years for sure.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 8:33:02 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my contact
>> was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did seem, to
>> me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful technology.
>>
>> And this leads me to a question that I've been mulling over for a few
>> years now. Question 1: If you want and electric bicycle, for loaded errand
>> riding with ~30 mile out-and-back range, what is the most cost effective
>> way to do this?
>>
>> I've thought that, if I ever upgrade to a lighter and better quality ss
>> mountain bike, that the Monocog 29er would make a dandy electric conversion
>> platform. So, Question 2: if one were to choose modification instead of
>> purchase, what is the most long-term cost effective way to make such a
>> conversion?
>>
>> Or should I just look up plan to motorize a bicycle using a chainsaw
>> motor?
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who is kidding about the chainsaw, but who really did once
>> see, parked outside a bike shop, a Whizzer in *tout* motor cycle gang
>> black with ape hanger bars and big wing mirrors. I saw the owner inside. He
>> was wearing a black leather jacket and boots. Not kidding this time!
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] WTB: non-disc Phil rear cassette hub 135mm for Bombadil

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm looking for, as the title says, a Phil Wood non-disc 8/9/10 FSA QR 
cassette rear hub new or in excellent condition.  I need 135mm spacing, 36 
spoke, and polished silver in order to match up fairly well with a polished 
Schmidt Son dynamo hub up front.

Different brands/colors, etc, won't work for me, unfortunately.


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[RBW] Re: Electric bicycles (Was: Copenhagen wheel)

[Michael Morrissey]

Those conversions are all fine and dandy, but I test rode the Cake Osa, and 
it is the future. 

https://ridecake.com/en/shop/bikes/osa/osa/

I will be getting one sometime in the next few years for sure. 

Michael



On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 8:33:02 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my contact 
> was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did seem, to 
> me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful technology.
>
> And this leads me to a question that I've been mulling over for a few 
> years now. Question 1: If you want and electric bicycle, for loaded errand 
> riding with ~30 mile out-and-back range, what is the most cost effective 
> way to do this?
>
> I've thought that, if I ever upgrade to a lighter and better quality ss 
> mountain bike, that the Monocog 29er would make a dandy electric conversion 
> platform. So, Question 2: if one were to choose modification instead of 
> purchase, what is the most long-term cost effective way to make such a 
> conversion?
>
> Or should I just look up plan to motorize a bicycle using a chainsaw motor?
>
> Patrick Moore, who is kidding about the chainsaw, but who really did once 
> see, parked outside a bike shop, a Whizzer in *tout* motor cycle gang 
> black with ape hanger bars and big wing mirrors. I saw the owner inside. He 
> was wearing a black leather jacket and boots. Not kidding this time!
>
> [image: image.png]
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Electric bicycles (Was: Copenhagen wheel)

[Joe Bernard]

This is whatcha need for a complete plug-n-play BBSHD kit with a good 
battery, I built a couple Rivs with it and may do another someday. Gonna 
run you about $1500, any halfway competent bike mechanic can do it 
themselves. 

https://lunacycle.com/bafang-bbshd-1000w-middrive-kit/

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 1:12:49 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks for this description of an add-on alternative. I see that you can 
> buy the kit online for under $400, though I guess that doesn't include the 
> battery, and I guess a couple of hundred more to have the bike shop install 
> it? (Actually, I'd source it through the bike shop too, if possible, to 
> give them more ownership as well as the business.)
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:36 AM Keith Weaver  wrote:
>
>> I have an XO-3 that I had a shop install a Bafang BBS02 system on several 
>> years back. It uses a Revelate 1/2 frame bag to hold the battery just under 
>> the top tube, while still allowing me to run a small water bottle in the 
>> seat tube cage. The system has plenty of power for me, and has given me a 
>> range of almost 40 miles, although I've only run out of battery once.
>>
>> This is a "mid-drive" system that replaces the crankset and bottom 
>> bracket, with the motor sitting just ahead of the bottom bracket. I'd 
>> recommend doing a bit of research on mid-drives vs hub motors, the option 
>> that will work best for you may depend on the kind terrain you intend to 
>> ride on. I've read that hub motors aren't as well suited to long, steep 
>> hills as mid-drives.
>>
>> I went with a shop install because I wanted to have someone to repair it 
>> if needed, but if doing it again, I'd probably do it myself and save a lot 
>> of money. Bafang kits are available for much less than I paid, most with a 
>> battery that mounts to the down tube cage mounts. I might recommend the 
>> BBSHD, as it is a bit more robust than my BBS02, and doesn't have the 
>> problem with the driveshaft bearing that I ended up repairing myself. 
>>
>> I will say that my kit is not as "natural" feeling as other ebikes I've 
>> tried, because it only has a cadence sensor, no torque sensor. This can 
>> result in the motor engaging in a bit of a jerky manner at times. 
>> Nonetheless, for retro-fitting an existing bike, I think a mid-drive is a 
>> great way to go. Another benefit of my kit is that it includes a throttle. 
>> I don't use it often, but it's great to be able to get a burst of speed 
>> when trying to get into a left turn lane on a higher-speed street.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:55 PM Sky Coulter  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice bike!  I’d love the new gsd r14 for me if i was upgrading. I bought 
>>> my wife a riese and muller load 75 to take our youngest to preschool after 
>>> getting my ebike off craigslist. She loves it and uses it mosy days...sky
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I went with an option that was definitely not the most cost effective 
>>> but it is one I would do again now that I’ve been using it for over a year. 
>>> I went with a Tern GSD S00 e-cargo bike.
>>>
>>> The bike takes up about the same amount of room as a normal bike but can 
>>> carry 400 lbs. It also adjusts to fit nearly any rider so my 5’ 2” wife can 
>>> ride it by quickly adjusting the saddle and bars. I ike the included 
>>> panniers but do miss the larger size of my old Xtracycle bags sometimes. I 
>>> added a front rack to add some cargo carrying capacity.
>>>
>>> The Bosch system feels just like a normal bike due to the torque sensor. 
>>> It just feels like I have Lance’s legs instead of my own. The interesting 
>>> thing for me is that my average heart rate is the same on the e-bike as it 
>>> is on my other bikes. I just get more speed out of it.
>>>
>>> https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-XWgxBkQ/A
>>>
>>> I added an extra battery to mine and can get a bit over 60 miles using 
>>> the highest assist level.   At the lowest assist it would be well over 100 
>>> miles. One battery would do about half that I believe. I rarely use my car 
>>> for errands these days. It only gets fired up for fun stuff.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my contact 
>>> was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did seem, to 
>>> me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful technology.
>>>
>>> And this leads me to a question that I've been mulling over for a few 
>>> years now. Question 1: If you want and electric bicycle, for loaded errand 
>>> riding with ~30 mile out-and-back range, what is the most cost effective 
>>> way to do this?
>>>
>>> I've thought that, if I ever upgrade to a lighter and better quality ss 
>>> mountain bike, that the Monocog 29er would make a dandy electric conversion 
>>> platform. So, 

[RBW] Re: FS A. Homer Hilsen 57cm (Toyo)

[Eric G@rs]

Bump $1400

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-8 Eric G@rs wrote:

> Bump. Had a few bites from Craigslist, but not sold yet. Feel free to make 
> me an offer if interested. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/menlo-park-rivendell-homer-hilsen-toyo/7253051293.html
>
> For sale is my 57 Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen handmade by Toyo in Japan in 
> ~2008. I recently had it powder coated low-gloss black for durability after 
> the decals on the original paint job peeled. Different paint job, same 
> great steel frame. I have included a before picture. I then re-built the 
> bike with the following parts:
>
> Velocity Dyad rims (700c) laced to Deore LX hubs
> Panaracer GravelKing 38 slicks
> Shimano Deore XT M771 SGS derailleur
> New Albion double crank set with guard
> Shimano UN-55 bottom bracket
> Shimano Dura-Ace bar end shifters (index or friction) mounted on IRD stem 
> mount
> Tektro R559 brakes
> FSA 1” threaded headset
> Shimano Tiagra brake levers
> Nitto DirtDrop stem with 8mm extension
>
> Currently there is no front derailleur installed as I prefer a de facto 1x 
> with option for a bail out gear if necessary, but I would be happy to 
> install or provide a front derailleur if desired. Feel free to reach out 
> with any questions. Price is 1600$ or best offer. Pedals not included, but 
> I can throw in the saddle if necessary.
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html#ahhreaderintro  
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 10:40:21 AM UTC-8 Eric G@rs wrote:
>
>> I have decided to sell my Homer to fund another bike project. Here is the 
>> Craigslist 
>> posting 
>> 
>>  with 
>> details if anyone is interested. 
>>
>> Eric G@rs
>> Menlo Park
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Mike

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Joel S
>
> Get a 10 mm long standoff and a 15 or 20 mm M5 allen bolt and you are set
> for the front. Those lights are pretty cool with the removable sideways
> boss mount. Front and rear too.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:49:21 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>>
>> Feeling like a dummy right now. I just went down to measure and look what
>> I found.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:41 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you think the 1/4” will be the right size?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:58 PM Dave  wrote:
>>>
 These are sold to be used as stand ins for rack braze ons and the light
 appears to bolt into a rack braze on so I'm going to guess it should work
 fine.  May need a nut and/or washer or two, depending on if the p clamp and
 light are the same size hardware?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:47 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Dave, thanks. And this will allow me to put the kiley or koma directly
> into the holes?
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dave  wrote:
>
>> P Clamp?
>>
>> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCLAMP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jonah. I saw that. I need a fork clamp (not sure what it i
>>> called) for mounting the front on the my Bleriot. For my wife's bike 
>>> this
>>> will be fine. I will have to figure out how to adapt something so I can
>>> mount this.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jonah Cohn 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Crust site includes both front and rear!


 https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights

 On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:58 PM Joel Stern 
 wrote:

> I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they
> are not attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:
>
>>
>> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery
>> powered taillight pictured and sold here:
>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>>
>> Huston
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought
>>> from them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in 
>>> USA.
>>> Blue Lug has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
>>>
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[RBW] To the person to whom I gave the old single pivot Dura Ace brakes: I found the QR barrel adjusters

[Patrick Moore]

I forget your name. I sent you a pair of early, single pivot DA calipers
last summer or fall, without the barrel adjusters. I found them. If you
want them, please pipe up offlist.

Note: This type is the nicest barrel adjusters-cum-QRs that I've ever seen.

Sorry, other listers.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Mike Godwin]

Joel S

Get a 10 mm long standoff and a 15 or 20 mm M5 allen bolt and you are set 
for the front. Those lights are pretty cool with the removable sideways 
boss mount. Front and rear too.

Mike SLO CA

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:49:21 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

>
> Feeling like a dummy right now. I just went down to measure and look what 
> I found.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:41 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> Do you think the 1/4” will be the right size?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:58 PM Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> These are sold to be used as stand ins for rack braze ons and the light 
>>> appears to bolt into a rack braze on so I'm going to guess it should work 
>>> fine.  May need a nut and/or washer or two, depending on if the p clamp and 
>>> light are the same size hardware?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:47 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>
 Dave, thanks. And this will allow me to put the kiley or koma directly 
 into the holes?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dave  wrote:

> P Clamp?
>
> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCLAMP
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jonah. I saw that. I need a fork clamp (not sure what it i 
>> called) for mounting the front on the my Bleriot. For my wife's bike 
>> this 
>> will be fine. I will have to figure out how to adapt something so I can 
>> mount this.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jonah Cohn  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Crust site includes both front and rear!
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:58 PM Joel Stern  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they are 
 not attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..

 On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:

>
> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery 
> powered taillight pictured and sold here: 
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>
> Huston
>
>  
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought 
>> from them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in 
>> USA.  
>> Blue Lug has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable. 
>>
>> Thanks 
>>
>>
>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
>>
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Re: [RBW] Electric bicycles (Was: Copenhagen wheel)

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this description of an add-on alternative. I see that you can
buy the kit online for under $400, though I guess that doesn't include the
battery, and I guess a couple of hundred more to have the bike shop install
it? (Actually, I'd source it through the bike shop too, if possible, to
give them more ownership as well as the business.)

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:36 AM Keith Weaver  wrote:

> I have an XO-3 that I had a shop install a Bafang BBS02 system on several
> years back. It uses a Revelate 1/2 frame bag to hold the battery just under
> the top tube, while still allowing me to run a small water bottle in the
> seat tube cage. The system has plenty of power for me, and has given me a
> range of almost 40 miles, although I've only run out of battery once.
>
> This is a "mid-drive" system that replaces the crankset and bottom
> bracket, with the motor sitting just ahead of the bottom bracket. I'd
> recommend doing a bit of research on mid-drives vs hub motors, the option
> that will work best for you may depend on the kind terrain you intend to
> ride on. I've read that hub motors aren't as well suited to long, steep
> hills as mid-drives.
>
> I went with a shop install because I wanted to have someone to repair it
> if needed, but if doing it again, I'd probably do it myself and save a lot
> of money. Bafang kits are available for much less than I paid, most with a
> battery that mounts to the down tube cage mounts. I might recommend the
> BBSHD, as it is a bit more robust than my BBS02, and doesn't have the
> problem with the driveshaft bearing that I ended up repairing myself.
>
> I will say that my kit is not as "natural" feeling as other ebikes I've
> tried, because it only has a cadence sensor, no torque sensor. This can
> result in the motor engaging in a bit of a jerky manner at times.
> Nonetheless, for retro-fitting an existing bike, I think a mid-drive is a
> great way to go. Another benefit of my kit is that it includes a throttle.
> I don't use it often, but it's great to be able to get a burst of speed
> when trying to get into a left turn lane on a higher-speed street.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:55 PM Sky Coulter 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice bike!  I’d love the new gsd r14 for me if i was upgrading. I bought
>> my wife a riese and muller load 75 to take our youngest to preschool after
>> getting my ebike off craigslist. She loves it and uses it mosy days...sky
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I went with an option that was definitely not the most cost effective
>> but it is one I would do again now that I’ve been using it for over a year.
>> I went with a Tern GSD S00 e-cargo bike.
>>
>> The bike takes up about the same amount of room as a normal bike but can
>> carry 400 lbs. It also adjusts to fit nearly any rider so my 5’ 2” wife can
>> ride it by quickly adjusting the saddle and bars. I ike the included
>> panniers but do miss the larger size of my old Xtracycle bags sometimes. I
>> added a front rack to add some cargo carrying capacity.
>>
>> The Bosch system feels just like a normal bike due to the torque sensor.
>> It just feels like I have Lance’s legs instead of my own. The interesting
>> thing for me is that my average heart rate is the same on the e-bike as it
>> is on my other bikes. I just get more speed out of it.
>>
>> https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-XWgxBkQ/A
>>
>> I added an extra battery to mine and can get a bit over 60 miles using
>> the highest assist level.   At the lowest assist it would be well over 100
>> miles. One battery would do about half that I believe. I rarely use my car
>> for errands these days. It only gets fired up for fun stuff.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my contact
>> was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did seem, to
>> me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful technology.
>>
>> And this leads me to a question that I've been mulling over for a few
>> years now. Question 1: If you want and electric bicycle, for loaded errand
>> riding with ~30 mile out-and-back range, what is the most cost effective
>> way to do this?
>>
>> I've thought that, if I ever upgrade to a lighter and better quality ss
>> mountain bike, that the Monocog 29er would make a dandy electric conversion
>> platform. So, Question 2: if one were to choose modification instead of
>> purchase, what is the most long-term cost effective way to make such a
>> conversion?
>>
>> Or should I just look up plan to motorize a bicycle using a chainsaw
>> motor?
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who is kidding about the chainsaw, but who really did once
>> see, parked outside a bike shop, a Whizzer in *tout* motor cycle gang
>> black with ape hanger bars and big wing mirrors. I saw the owner inside. He
>> was wearing a black leather 

Re: [RBW] Electric bicycles (Was: Copenhagen wheel)

[Keith Weaver]

I have an XO-3 that I had a shop install a Bafang BBS02 system on several
years back. It uses a Revelate 1/2 frame bag to hold the battery just under
the top tube, while still allowing me to run a small water bottle in the
seat tube cage. The system has plenty of power for me, and has given me a
range of almost 40 miles, although I've only run out of battery once.

This is a "mid-drive" system that replaces the crankset and bottom bracket,
with the motor sitting just ahead of the bottom bracket. I'd recommend
doing a bit of research on mid-drives vs hub motors, the option that will
work best for you may depend on the kind terrain you intend to ride on.
I've read that hub motors aren't as well suited to long, steep hills as
mid-drives.

I went with a shop install because I wanted to have someone to repair it if
needed, but if doing it again, I'd probably do it myself and save a lot of
money. Bafang kits are available for much less than I paid, most with a
battery that mounts to the down tube cage mounts. I might recommend the
BBSHD, as it is a bit more robust than my BBS02, and doesn't have the
problem with the driveshaft bearing that I ended up repairing myself.

I will say that my kit is not as "natural" feeling as other ebikes I've
tried, because it only has a cadence sensor, no torque sensor. This can
result in the motor engaging in a bit of a jerky manner at times.
Nonetheless, for retro-fitting an existing bike, I think a mid-drive is a
great way to go. Another benefit of my kit is that it includes a throttle.
I don't use it often, but it's great to be able to get a burst of speed
when trying to get into a left turn lane on a higher-speed street.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:55 PM Sky Coulter  wrote:

> Nice bike!  I’d love the new gsd r14 for me if i was upgrading. I bought
> my wife a riese and muller load 75 to take our youngest to preschool after
> getting my ebike off craigslist. She loves it and uses it mosy days...sky
>
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I went with an option that was definitely not the most cost effective but
> it is one I would do again now that I’ve been using it for over a year. I
> went with a Tern GSD S00 e-cargo bike.
>
> The bike takes up about the same amount of room as a normal bike but can
> carry 400 lbs. It also adjusts to fit nearly any rider so my 5’ 2” wife can
> ride it by quickly adjusting the saddle and bars. I ike the included
> panniers but do miss the larger size of my old Xtracycle bags sometimes. I
> added a front rack to add some cargo carrying capacity.
>
> The Bosch system feels just like a normal bike due to the torque sensor.
> It just feels like I have Lance’s legs instead of my own. The interesting
> thing for me is that my average heart rate is the same on the e-bike as it
> is on my other bikes. I just get more speed out of it.
>
> https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-XWgxBkQ/A
>
> I added an extra battery to mine and can get a bit over 60 miles using the
> highest assist level.   At the lowest assist it would be well over 100
> miles. One battery would do about half that I believe. I rarely use my car
> for errands these days. It only gets fired up for fun stuff.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my contact
> was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did seem, to
> me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful technology.
>
> And this leads me to a question that I've been mulling over for a few
> years now. Question 1: If you want and electric bicycle, for loaded errand
> riding with ~30 mile out-and-back range, what is the most cost effective
> way to do this?
>
> I've thought that, if I ever upgrade to a lighter and better quality ss
> mountain bike, that the Monocog 29er would make a dandy electric conversion
> platform. So, Question 2: if one were to choose modification instead of
> purchase, what is the most long-term cost effective way to make such a
> conversion?
>
> Or should I just look up plan to motorize a bicycle using a chainsaw motor?
>
> Patrick Moore, who is kidding about the chainsaw, but who really did once
> see, parked outside a bike shop, a Whizzer in *tout* motor cycle gang
> black with ape hanger bars and big wing mirrors. I saw the owner inside. He
> was wearing a black leather jacket and boots. Not kidding this time!
>
> 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Copenhagen Wheel $1,100

[Edwin W]

>
> Really interesting stuff on this thread. Thanks all for sharing, and sad 
>> to see another good product with a ton of  that failed. A friend of mine 
>> ran a small dealership for Faraday bikes. I thought they had a good 
>> product: a good looking, stripped down, simple electric bike. Medium price 
>> point. Basically a Linus or Public of the electric bike world. Then they 
>> were bought by Pon Holdings, a Dutch company that owns Gazelle, Cervelo and 
>> Santa Cruz. I thought, great, they will make it a stable brand. But they 
>> discontinued the brand last year. I would love to hear the back story, but 
>> never did. 
>>
> Nothing like a good old, human driven, chain having, rim brake sporting 
bicycle to last forever and never* be "unfixable"! My mother has her 1950's 
schwinn single speed bike that she has ridden every summer since she got it 
and I just replace tires every few years because she leaves it in the sun.

*for a long time

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] FS: Copenhagen Wheel $1,100

[maxcr]

Wow, great comments and thanks for sharing that article - I wasn't aware 
that the wheel was out of production either. 

Given the new information, how does $900 sound for the wheel in case 
someone is still interested in trying it out.

Max

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 7:27:10 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> For what it's worth, mine has been ridden in rain and freezing temps for 
> years without failure.
>
> Alex in Rochester, NY
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 2:22 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Huh, I'm surprised the author of that article gave so much weight to a 
>> second-hand owner of the wheel. I liked mine (also bought used and on its 
>> third owner now) and had no problems with it, but yes it's a proprietary 
>> product that's hard to repair, and will now be hard to replace since the 
>> company has stop producing them. BUT getting less than the claimed 30 miles 
>> is not unusual, the owner in question provided no documentation for how 
>> many charge cycles were on the battery when they bought it. 15-20 miles 
>> average is fair for a used Copenhagen Wheel IMO, and you can easily knock 
>> that down to 10 if you're at full power up hills. You can also stretch it 
>> much further with judicious use of the O power setting on slight declines, 
>> the wheel freewheels well and can be pedaled unpowered. It's all part of 
>> the hyper-miling game of an ebike..stretch that range! 
>>
>> Rain? Pfft, don't do that, I don't care what "light rain" claims 
>> Superpedestrian made. When the owner of the used wheel started talking rain 
>> rides all bets were off for me. Maybe the latest factory-built (and 
>> expensive) ebikes can do that but I wouldn't trust ANY kit in the wet. I 
>> have two options for rain: A regular bike or my trusty Chevy Impala with a 
>> nice heater and SiriusXM Radio. 
>>
>> I think the wheel is an ok purchase at the right price you decide with a 
>> seller, just don't expect it to do everything your regular bike will, and 
>> don't be shocked when one day the battery has given up and so should you. 
>> It's a specific product for specific riding conditions and worked great for 
>> me as an around town shopper/cruiser. And was great fun. On dry days! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 5:23:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, good insights and well written, particularly of interest (to me) of 
>>> the complications and difficulties added by startups trying to launch 
>>> technologically complex new products. I learned much from his observations.
>>>
>>> Not a few of my resume clients are either entrepreneurs who have taken 
>>> technology to global markets, or who are currenlty incubating high-tech 
>>> products for future investment, organizational development, market entry 
>>> and expansion, and -- the *uber* goal -- purchase by a company or a 
>>> group with a lot of money. Rinse, repeat. This article fills in at least in 
>>> a general way some of the obstacles they face.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:53 AM Alex Wirth <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Woof.  Excellent article.  Having been a bionx dealer and a Copenhagen 
> Wheel dealer, it's all too familiar.
>

 Sadly, customer support has gone the way of the dodo and dealers end up 
 eating a lot of time in exchange for not a lot of margin.

 I still ride a bionx system myself (modified bakfiets) and my dad's 
 copenhagenized clem make two technological time bombs waiting to happen 

 Sad to hear they didn't make it...

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Re: [RBW] FS: Copenhagen Wheel $1,100

[Alex Wirth]

For what it's worth, mine has been ridden in rain and freezing temps for
years without failure.

Alex in Rochester, NY

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 2:22 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Huh, I'm surprised the author of that article gave so much weight to a
> second-hand owner of the wheel. I liked mine (also bought used and on its
> third owner now) and had no problems with it, but yes it's a proprietary
> product that's hard to repair, and will now be hard to replace since the
> company has stop producing them. BUT getting less than the claimed 30 miles
> is not unusual, the owner in question provided no documentation for how
> many charge cycles were on the battery when they bought it. 15-20 miles
> average is fair for a used Copenhagen Wheel IMO, and you can easily knock
> that down to 10 if you're at full power up hills. You can also stretch it
> much further with judicious use of the O power setting on slight declines,
> the wheel freewheels well and can be pedaled unpowered. It's all part of
> the hyper-miling game of an ebike..stretch that range!
>
> Rain? Pfft, don't do that, I don't care what "light rain" claims
> Superpedestrian made. When the owner of the used wheel started talking rain
> rides all bets were off for me. Maybe the latest factory-built (and
> expensive) ebikes can do that but I wouldn't trust ANY kit in the wet. I
> have two options for rain: A regular bike or my trusty Chevy Impala with a
> nice heater and SiriusXM Radio.
>
> I think the wheel is an ok purchase at the right price you decide with a
> seller, just don't expect it to do everything your regular bike will, and
> don't be shocked when one day the battery has given up and so should you.
> It's a specific product for specific riding conditions and worked great for
> me as an around town shopper/cruiser. And was great fun. On dry days!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 5:23:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Yes, good insights and well written, particularly of interest (to me) of
>> the complications and difficulties added by startups trying to launch
>> technologically complex new products. I learned much from his observations.
>>
>> Not a few of my resume clients are either entrepreneurs who have taken
>> technology to global markets, or who are currenlty incubating high-tech
>> products for future investment, organizational development, market entry
>> and expansion, and -- the *uber* goal -- purchase by a company or a
>> group with a lot of money. Rinse, repeat. This article fills in at least in
>> a general way some of the obstacles they face.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:53 AM Alex Wirth <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Woof.  Excellent article.  Having been a bionx dealer and a Copenhagen
 Wheel dealer, it's all too familiar.

>>>
>>> Sadly, customer support has gone the way of the dodo and dealers end up
>>> eating a lot of time in exchange for not a lot of margin.
>>>
>>> I still ride a bionx system myself (modified bakfiets) and my dad's
>>> copenhagenized clem make two technological time bombs waiting to happen 
>>>
>>> Sad to hear they didn't make it...
>>>
>>> Alex in Rochester, NY
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