Re: [RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Leah Peterson]

Ha! Thanks, Ed. It might be better in the storytelling than real life. 

Oh, I found a pic of Baby Bear on his bike, in case anyone was wondering...


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> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Ed Fausto  wrote:
> 
> 
> I can almost visualize the scene.
> How I wish I was there to witness :-)
> 
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 11:41:36 AM UTC+8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Today Baby Bear (he’s 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning 
>> our ascent of Killer Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the 
>> path, and not the road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, 
>> the carbon, the kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying 
>> it. I looked at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>> 
>> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>> 
>> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s piloting 
>> a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a couple of 
>> handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem wheels. 
>> His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out of 
>> practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
>> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
>> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>> 
>> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
>> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else to 
>> be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
>> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
>> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
>> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
>> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
>> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>> 
>> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
>> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
>> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
>> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>> 
>> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
>> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of water. 
>> The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a Peterson 
>> sandwich. 
>> 
>> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I can 
>> see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the Year 
>> here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>> 
>> And I make it.
>> 
>> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the roadie 
>> approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, indeed, 
>> won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and smile at 
>> him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his eyes but he 
>> does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He is sheepish 
>> about being bested after such a strong start but he also doesn’t berate me 
>> for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I upheld the family 
>> honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he couldn’t do it, he knew I 
>> was gonna have to. 
>> 
>> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can smoke 
>> roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>> 
>> Leah 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Ed Fausto]

I can almost visualize the scene.
How I wish I was there to witness :-)

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 11:41:36 AM UTC+8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear (he’s 
> 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of Killer 
> Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and not the 
> road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, the 
> kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I looked 
> at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>
> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>
> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem 
> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out 
> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>
> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else 
> to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>
> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>
> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
> Peterson sandwich. 
>
> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I 
> can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the 
> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>
> And I make it.
>
> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He 
> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>
> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can smoke 
> roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>
> Leah 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fitting 22.2mm clamp break levers to 23.8mm handlebars

[Joe Bernard]

It's a bad idea. You're taking material out of a thing designed to have 
that much material, which isn't a huge deal for a shifter - you just lose a 
shifter - but if you squeeze a brake lever going downhill at 25mph and the 
clamp pops instead of pads contacting rim or disc? Buddy you got TROUBLE. 


On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-7 Wayne Naha wrote:

> One could take some sandpaper to the inside of the clamp area, widen the 
> diameter.  Or is that a Really Bad Idea?  Please consider your answer, and 
> not just a knee-jerk 'dear god no!'

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[RBW] Fitting 22.2mm clamp break levers to 23.8mm handlebars

[Wayne Naha]

One could take some sandpaper to the inside of the clamp area, widen the 
diameter.  Or is that a Really Bad Idea?  Please consider your answer, and 
not just a knee-jerk 'dear god no!'

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[RBW] Re: FS: Marathon supreme tires

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Sold

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 5:39:57 PM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> (2) 700x50 (measure 45 on dyad rims) with very little use. 
> Purchased new last year for a tour that won't happen, maybe yours will?
> $35 each
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Bars, Tallux Stem, Tektro Brakes

[Austin B.]

Tallux is sold.
Noodle is pending.

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Austin B. wrote:

> Cleaning out the parts bin of Riv-ish stuff. Shipping (US only) is 
> additional. Local pickup in DC/Baltimore area is fine. 
>
> Here's a link to pictures: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HsFKmkp3Z5kzpSof6
>
> Handlebars--no tape residue on any. Some amber shellac bleed thru on the 
> Soma bars only.
> *$40 - 46cm Nitto Noodle M177*
> *$45 - 46cm Nitto Mark's Bar M178*
> *$20 - 44cm Soma Hwy One*
>
> *$35 - 110mm Nitto Tallux Stem*
>
> *$25 - Tektro R539 F/R Brakeset*
>
> Thanks,
> Austin B. in MD
>

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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Joe Bernard]

Yay for bike shops solving problems! I'll be facing this, too, when my new 
anodized headset spacer shows up for my Susie. Both my bikes came to me 
with perfecty-adjusted-by-Riv headsets and I've left well enough alone. 
I'll have to pull the topnut on the Susie to swap spacers and will then go 
through my ritual of starting too loose and having to readjust three times 
before I get it right. Argh! 臘

Joe "that's probably right, oh crap it's not right" Bernard

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 3:17:29 PM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Hurrah!! (saw your new message of joy after I sent that last message of 
> not as much joy)
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 6:10:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I got it handled! The headset nut (or whatever) needed 1/8th of a turn 
>> and then it all snugged up nicely. Got the brake cable/housing sorted out, 
>> too. The anodizing was unhurt in the process. Relief! I know it’s not 
>> rational but I am extra attached to this bike and I get anxiety when things 
>> are wrong with it. 
>>
>> Thanks for all the help, you are the best!
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Which shop got that brake housing all bunched up on the front (ripples 
>> of plastic piling out of the noodle)? They might be in a rush...
>>
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 2:54:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about the 
>>> ano finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just know 
>>> the other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, 
 simple adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an 
 excellent 
 bike mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store 
 bike assembly.

 On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Leah,
> If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe 
> said, it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted 
> to 
> add that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with 
> it 
> just a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's 
> no need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)
>
> I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get 
> the local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Maul the color."
>>
>> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once 
>> and nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use 
>> are 
>> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
>>
>> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be 
>> turned a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he 
>> slowly turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to 
>> get wrong on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. 
>> They'll fix it for ya. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s 
>>> not so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and 
>>> feel 
>>> that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is 
>>> inside 
>>> the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, 
>>> but 
>>> I bet this is the source.
>>>
>>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new 
>>> ano parts with their wrenches?!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth 
>>> you should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. 
>>> The 
>>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that 
>>> yourself, 
>>> just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the 
>>> headset. 
>>>
>>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be 
>>> able to handle that just fine. 
>>> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the 
>>> nut below the spacers. 
>>> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the 
>>> top nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
>>> confidently. 
>>> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
>>> 

[RBW] FS: Marathon supreme tires

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

(2) 700x50 (measure 45 on dyad rims) with very little use. 
Purchased new last year for a tour that won't happen, maybe yours will?
$35 each

Jeff
(Alabama)


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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Hurrah!! (saw your new message of joy after I sent that last message of not 
as much joy)
-Kai

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 6:10:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I got it handled! The headset nut (or whatever) needed 1/8th of a turn and 
> then it all snugged up nicely. Got the brake cable/housing sorted out, too. 
> The anodizing was unhurt in the process. Relief! I know it’s not rational 
> but I am extra attached to this bike and I get anxiety when things are 
> wrong with it. 
>
> Thanks for all the help, you are the best!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> Which shop got that brake housing all bunched up on the front (ripples of 
> plastic piling out of the noodle)? They might be in a rush...
>
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 2:54:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about the 
>> ano finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just know 
>> the other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, 
>>> simple adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an excellent 
>>> bike mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store 
>>> bike assembly.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 Leah,
 If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe 
 said, it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted 
 to 
 add that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it 
 just a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's 
 no need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)

 I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
 local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.

 Paul in AR

 On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Maul the color."
>
> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once 
> and nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use 
> are 
> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
>
> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be 
> turned a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he 
> slowly turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to 
> get wrong on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. 
> They'll fix it for ya. 
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s 
>> not so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel 
>> that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is 
>> inside 
>> the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, 
>> but 
>> I bet this is the source.
>>
>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new 
>> ano parts with their wrenches?!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
>> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself, 
>> just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the 
>> headset. 
>>
>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able 
>> to handle that just fine. 
>> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the 
>> nut below the spacers. 
>> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the 
>> top nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
>> confidently. 
>> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
>> binds. 
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the headset. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the 
>>> names here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll 
>>> see) 
>>> and had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but 
>>> it 
>>> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Yeah, I'm feeling for the REI folks. I think there's no huge deal here, it 
seems the housing has settled itself, the metal portion's likely found its 
way to the bottom by now. I assume Peter's concern is that the bike shop 
didn't see that the housing was fully housed itself. As for catastrophic 
issues, before it bunched like that it wasn't seated in the noodle. If it 
wasn't seated and you needed to stop quick with a strong squeeze of the 
brakes, that strong squeeze would go towards seating the housing and not 
towards stopping the bike. So yeah, possibly bad stuff. I imagine this 
happened slowly and you kept tightening at the lever to compensate for what 
you took as cable stretching? Good thing you're a careful and thoughtful 
rider who rarely needs to panic stop... 
As for that headset, get them to snug it up and you'll be made in the shade 
(at least what little shade Vegas has to offer). 
And regarding trust and bike shops, it's always a crap shoot. You're your 
best mechanic even if you're not the best mechanic. Try and try again, 
you're smart and enthusiastic, you'll be fine. 

Tighten it, loosen it, spin it, break it. Failure's taught me a lot of what 
I need to know 
-Kai

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 3:21:42 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Kai, the famous and wonderful Peter White caught that, got me on the phone 
> and has me addressing it. Apparently this issue can be fairly 
> catastrophic... I’m at REI as I type this and I have a bad feeling though. 
> The mechanic seems to not see this as a big deal... I have the worst luck 
> at bike shops.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> Which shop got that brake housing all bunched up on the front (ripples of 
> plastic piling out of the noodle)? They might be in a rush...
>
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 2:54:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about the 
>> ano finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just know 
>> the other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, 
>>> simple adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an excellent 
>>> bike mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store 
>>> bike assembly.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 Leah,
 If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe 
 said, it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted 
 to 
 add that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it 
 just a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's 
 no need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)

 I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
 local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.

 Paul in AR

 On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Maul the color."
>
> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once 
> and nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use 
> are 
> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
>
> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be 
> turned a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he 
> slowly turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to 
> get wrong on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. 
> They'll fix it for ya. 
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s 
>> not so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel 
>> that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is 
>> inside 
>> the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, 
>> but 
>> I bet this is the source.
>>
>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new 
>> ano parts with their wrenches?!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
>> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself, 
>> just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the 
>> headset. 
>>
>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able 
>> to handle that just fine. 
>> You 

Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Leah Peterson]

I got it handled! The headset nut (or whatever) needed 1/8th of a turn and then 
it all snugged up nicely. Got the brake cable/housing sorted out, too. The 
anodizing was unhurt in the process. Relief! I know it’s not rational but I am 
extra attached to this bike and I get anxiety when things are wrong with it. 

Thanks for all the help, you are the best!
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> Which shop got that brake housing all bunched up on the front (ripples of 
> plastic piling out of the noodle)? They might be in a rush...
> -Kai
> 
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 2:54:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about the ano 
>> finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just know the 
>> other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, simple 
>>> adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an excellent bike 
>>> mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store bike 
>>> assembly.
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
 Leah,
 If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe said, 
 it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted to add 
 that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it 
 just a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's 
 no need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)
 
 I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
 local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.
 
 Paul in AR
 
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
> "Maul the color."
> 
> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once and 
> nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use are 
> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
> 
> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be turned 
> a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he slowly 
> turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to get 
> wrong on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. 
> They'll fix it for ya. 
> 
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s not 
>> so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel 
>> that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is 
>> inside the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about 
>> headsets, but I bet this is the source.
>> 
>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new ano 
>> parts with their wrenches?!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
 
>>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
>>> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
>>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that 
>>> yourself, just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below 
>>> the headset. 
>> 
>>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able 
>>> to handle that just fine. 
>>> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut 
>>> below the spacers. 
>>> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the 
>>> top nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
>>> confidently. 
>>> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
>>> binds. 
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> 
>>> Ray
>>> 
 On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:
 Here is the headset. 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the 
> names here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and 
> you’ll see) and had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little 
> vibratory but it wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I 
> happened to lift the front end by the bars and felt the bars shift 
> somehow. I had a hex key and checked both bolts in the stem - they 
> were tight. I got home, looked it over and found that the stem is 
> 

Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Leah Peterson]

Kai, the famous and wonderful Peter White caught that, got me on the phone and 
has me addressing it. Apparently this issue can be fairly catastrophic... I’m 
at REI as I type this and I have a bad feeling though. The mechanic seems to 
not see this as a big deal... I have the worst luck at bike shops.
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> Which shop got that brake housing all bunched up on the front (ripples of 
> plastic piling out of the noodle)? They might be in a rush...
> -Kai
> 
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 2:54:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about the ano 
>> finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just know the 
>> other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, simple 
>>> adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an excellent bike 
>>> mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store bike 
>>> assembly.
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
 Leah,
 If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe said, 
 it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted to add 
 that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it 
 just a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's 
 no need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)
 
 I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
 local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.
 
 Paul in AR
 
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
> "Maul the color."
> 
> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once and 
> nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use are 
> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
> 
> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be turned 
> a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he slowly 
> turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to get 
> wrong on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. 
> They'll fix it for ya. 
> 
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s not 
>> so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel 
>> that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is 
>> inside the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about 
>> headsets, but I bet this is the source.
>> 
>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new ano 
>> parts with their wrenches?!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
 
>>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
>>> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
>>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that 
>>> yourself, just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below 
>>> the headset. 
>> 
>>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able 
>>> to handle that just fine. 
>>> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut 
>>> below the spacers. 
>>> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the 
>>> top nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
>>> confidently. 
>>> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
>>> binds. 
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> 
>>> Ray
>>> 
 On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:
 Here is the headset. 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the 
> names here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and 
> you’ll see) and had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little 
> vibratory but it wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I 
> happened to lift the front end by the bars and felt the bars shift 
> somehow. I had a hex key and checked both bolts in the stem - they 
> were tight. I got home, looked it over and found that the stem is 
> moving around in the headset. It did NOT do this when I 

Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Which shop got that brake housing all bunched up on the front (ripples of 
plastic piling out of the noodle)? They might be in a rush...
-Kai

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 2:54:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about the 
> ano finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just know 
> the other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them. 
>
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, simple 
>> adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an excellent bike 
>> mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store bike 
>> assembly.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>> If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe said, 
>>> it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted to add 
>>> that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it just 
>>> a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's no 
>>> need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)
>>>
>>> I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
>>> local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "Maul the color."

 I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once 
 and nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use 
 are 
 good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 

 What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be 
 turned a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he 
 slowly turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to 
 get wrong on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. 
 They'll fix it for ya. 

 On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s 
> not so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel 
> that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is 
> inside 
> the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, 
> but 
> I bet this is the source.
>
> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new 
> ano parts with their wrenches?!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
>
> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself, 
> just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the 
> headset. 
>
> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able 
> to handle that just fine. 
> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut 
> below the spacers. 
> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the 
> top nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
> confidently. 
> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
> binds. 
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Here is the headset. 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the 
>> names here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll 
>> see) 
>> and had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but 
>> it 
>> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the 
>> front 
>> end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and 
>> checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it 
>> over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT 
>> do 
>> this when I had the old headset. 
>>
>>
>> I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my 
>> heart started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which 
>> sounded 
>> catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem 
>> that 
>> can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to 
>> change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that. 
>>
>> I will either have to drive 40 

Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Joe Bernard]

Clarifying my response about REI, It's in response to concerns about the 
ano finish on her headset. I'm sure REI would be careful, too, I just know 
the other shop knows those bikes well and are meticulous about them. 


On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, simple 
> adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an excellent bike 
> mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store bike 
> assembly.
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe said, 
>> it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted to add 
>> that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it just 
>> a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's no 
>> need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)
>>
>> I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
>> local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Maul the color."
>>>
>>> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once 
>>> and nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use are 
>>> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
>>>
>>> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be turned 
>>> a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he slowly 
>>> turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to get wrong 
>>> on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. They'll fix it 
>>> for ya. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s 
 not so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel 
 that stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is 
 inside 
 the tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, but 
 I bet this is the source.

 Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new 
 ano parts with their wrenches?!

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:

 If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
 should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
 stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself, 
 just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the headset. 

 If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able 
 to handle that just fine. 
 You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut 
 below the spacers. 
 I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the 
 top nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
 confidently. 
 It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
 binds. 

 Hope that helps,

 Ray

 On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Here is the headset. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the names 
> here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll see) and 
> had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but it 
> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the 
> front 
> end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and 
> checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it 
> over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT 
> do 
> this when I had the old headset. 
>
>
> I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my heart 
> started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which sounded 
> catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem that 
> can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to 
> change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that. 
>
> I will either have to drive 40 minutes across town to the mechanics 
> who did the service tomorrow, or if you say it’s an easy fix, I could 
> trust 
> the REI which is only 20 minutes away.
>
> Hoping the answer is straightforward and the problem easily fixable,
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Philip Barrett]

Agreed, there's almost certainly nothing to worry about here Leah, simple 
adjustment. Don't dis REI too much, my local branch has an excellent bike 
mechanic who is always thrilled to work on something other than store bike 
assembly.

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Leah,
> If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe said, 
> it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted to add 
> that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it just 
> a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's no 
> need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)
>
> I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
> local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Maul the color."
>>
>> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once and 
>> nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use are 
>> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
>>
>> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be turned 
>> a bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he slowly 
>> turns the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to get wrong 
>> on the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. They'll fix it 
>> for ya. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s not 
>>> so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel that 
>>> stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is inside the 
>>> tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, but I 
>>> bet this is the source.
>>>
>>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new ano 
>>> parts with their wrenches?!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
>>> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
>>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself, 
>>> just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the headset. 
>>>
>>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able to 
>>> handle that just fine. 
>>> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut 
>>> below the spacers. 
>>> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the top 
>>> nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
>>> confidently. 
>>> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
>>> binds. 
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here is the headset. 


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the names 
 here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll see) and 
 had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but it 
 wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the front 
 end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and 
 checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it 
 over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT 
 do 
 this when I had the old headset. 


 I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my heart 
 started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which sounded 
 catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem that 
 can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to 
 change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that. 

 I will either have to drive 40 minutes across town to the mechanics who 
 did the service tomorrow, or if you say it’s an easy fix, I could trust 
 the 
 REI which is only 20 minutes away.

 Hoping the answer is straightforward and the problem easily fixable,
 Leah


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Paul Comp short pull levers, black.

[saintruggler]

Or I would be willing to trade my Paul Canti levers for someone's Paul Love 
levers (long pull).

Eric

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 9:47:51 AM UTC-7 saintruggler wrote:

> I have some Paul Canti levers (short pull) in black that I'm looking to 
> trade for silver. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 6:26:14 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:
>
>> Looking for a pair of Paul short pull levers, in black.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Paul Comp short pull levers, black.

[saintruggler]

I have some Paul Canti levers (short pull) in black that I'm looking to 
trade for silver. 

Eric

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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob Today!

[RichS]

Well said Andy. "Choose for your own needs, buy small, keep things long, 
and ride for your own reasons."

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 7:25:16 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> I hope the industry wonks are noting the inattention (other than the 
> scoffing) they are being treated to in this BSNY entry. The bike industry 
> needs a "next big thing"  less dependent on a daisy chain of logistics, 
> parts compatible with nothing but their own ilk, frames considered switch 
> and pitch when the thought of upgrading the component group begins and 
> their strong marketing of this consumptive behavior in an activity that is 
> ordinarily not. 
>
> Bottom line is that the industry doesn't support riders, who buy and use 
> their stuff, they support their sources of capital with returns equal to or 
> greater than promised. Choose for your own needs, buy small, keep things 
> long, and ride for your own reasons.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 1:06:22 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I find it highly amusing but they have a dilemma. The reality is 
>> that they all build a product that with almost no care or attention will 
>> last most users a lifetime, which for the big guys doesn't make for much in 
>> the way of shareholder value. So we gotta sell ya'll something new.
>>
>> I think the Rivendell/Grant-esque philosophy is going to be the next *big 
>> thing* in the bike industry so hold onto your hats until it passes.
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:46:54 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Hahah, yeah that was almost guaranteed to be a jab at James and Candice 
>>> - playful jab, I trust. 
>>>
>>> I agree with the sentiments that the now-massive gravel bike trend is 
>>> equal parts silly because it's brought to you by the same damn bike 
>>> industry that took you away from versatile, all-rounder type bikes over the 
>>> past couple decades, but also good because it's important we get back to 
>>> versatile bikes, even if they're dripping in marketing. 
>>>
>>> Tanglefoot, and Mudbunion for that matter, are like a second cousin to 
>>> the trendy gravel bike -- yeah, still dripping in marketing, but I 
>>> appreciate that they're pushing boundaries and both making and marketing 
>>> bikes in a different way entirely.   
>>>
>>>  
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Paul Clifton]

Leah,
If it turns out to be the headset (which is my bet), then like Joe said, 
it's a thing that happens sometimes with new builds. I just wanted to add 
that it's unlikely that anything is damaged after a short ride with it just 
a bit loose. Def important to get it fixed ASAP, but I think there's no 
need to hyperventilating over whether you damaged your steer tube. :)

I had Riv install the headset/fork on my Bubbe and still had to get the 
local shop to tighten it up after the first few rides.

Paul in AR

On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:09:19 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Maul the color."
>
> I suppose it's always possible but the job had already been done once and 
> nothing bad happened so it should be fine. The wrenches they'll use are 
> good stuff that fit on the flats of the cups well. 
>
> What will happen is that bottom cup right on the headtube will be turned a 
> bit to snug it down, then he'll hold that one steady while he slowly turns 
> the top one to secure the adjustment in place. It's easy to get wrong on 
> the first try, I usually end up with mine too loose, too. They'll fix it 
> for ya. 
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> The stem is moving down by the headset. I put the brakes on and it’s not 
>> so noticeable, but if I lift it by the handlebars I can see and feel that 
>> stem move. The bolts at the stem are tight and max insertion is inside the 
>> tube, so that’s not the problem. I don’t know much about headsets, but I 
>> bet this is the source.
>>
>> Next question: do you think REI is going to maul the color of my new ano 
>> parts with their wrenches?!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>> If you hold your front brake on and rock the bike back and forth you 
>> should be able to see if the headset is loose or the stem is loose. The 
>> stem is tightened with the bolt in the center, you can do that yourself, 
>> just make sure the max height/minimum insertion line is below the headset. 
>>
>> If it’s the headset, you should take it to a shop. REI should be able to 
>> handle that just fine. 
>> You need two headset wrenches, one for the top nut and one for the nut 
>> below the spacers. 
>> I adjust my headset play and hold the lower nut while tightening the top 
>> nut against the spacers. It takes a bit of experience to do this 
>> confidently. 
>> It needs to be tight enough to prevent play but not so tight that it 
>> binds. 
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the headset. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the names 
>>> here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll see) and 
>>> had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but it 
>>> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the front 
>>> end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and 
>>> checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it 
>>> over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT do 
>>> this when I had the old headset. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my heart 
>>> started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which sounded 
>>> catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem that 
>>> can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to 
>>> change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that. 
>>>
>>> I will either have to drive 40 minutes across town to the mechanics who 
>>> did the service tomorrow, or if you say it’s an easy fix, I could trust the 
>>> REI which is only 20 minutes away.
>>>
>>> Hoping the answer is straightforward and the problem easily fixable,
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: Paul Comp short pull levers, black.

[Igor]

Looking for a pair of Paul short pull levers, in black.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

[Rusty Click]

It sounds like a problem I had not too long ago.  A slight feeling of 
looseness with an occasional squeak eventually was tracked to a not fully 
tightened quill stem bolt.  I loosened and removed the stem from the 
headset completely.  Cleaned and greased the threads that pull the wedgie 
thing of the stem, then reinstalled and made sure to tighten the stem bolt 
"firmly".  Sorry, but I do not know the lb/ft of torque recommended...I 
just winged it.  I believe this may be a good place to start that you can 
do yourself and if it doesn't solve the problem, then call in the 
specialists at the LBS.

Good Luck,
Rusty


On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:13:17 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Here is the headset. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the names 
> here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll see) and 
> had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but it 
> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the front 
> end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and 
> checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it 
> over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT do 
> this when I had the old headset. 
>
>
> I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my heart 
> started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which sounded 
> catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem that 
> can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to 
> change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that. 
>
> I will either have to drive 40 minutes across town to the mechanics who 
> did the service tomorrow, or if you say it’s an easy fix, I could trust the 
> REI which is only 20 minutes away.
>
> Hoping the answer is straightforward and the problem easily fixable,
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob Today!

[ascpgh]

I hope the industry wonks are noting the inattention (other than the 
scoffing) they are being treated to in this BSNY entry. The bike industry 
needs a "next big thing"  less dependent on a daisy chain of logistics, 
parts compatible with nothing but their own ilk, frames considered switch 
and pitch when the thought of upgrading the component group begins and 
their strong marketing of this consumptive behavior in an activity that is 
ordinarily not. 

Bottom line is that the industry doesn't support riders, who buy and use 
their stuff, they support their sources of capital with returns equal to or 
greater than promised. Choose for your own needs, buy small, keep things 
long, and ride for your own reasons.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 1:06:22 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agreed, I find it highly amusing but they have a dilemma. The reality is 
> that they all build a product that with almost no care or attention will 
> last most users a lifetime, which for the big guys doesn't make for much in 
> the way of shareholder value. So we gotta sell ya'll something new.
>
> I think the Rivendell/Grant-esque philosophy is going to be the next *big 
> thing* in the bike industry so hold onto your hats until it passes.
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:46:54 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Hahah, yeah that was almost guaranteed to be a jab at James and Candice - 
>> playful jab, I trust. 
>>
>> I agree with the sentiments that the now-massive gravel bike trend is 
>> equal parts silly because it's brought to you by the same damn bike 
>> industry that took you away from versatile, all-rounder type bikes over the 
>> past couple decades, but also good because it's important we get back to 
>> versatile bikes, even if they're dripping in marketing. 
>>
>> Tanglefoot, and Mudbunion for that matter, are like a second cousin to 
>> the trendy gravel bike -- yeah, still dripping in marketing, but I 
>> appreciate that they're pushing boundaries and both making and marketing 
>> bikes in a different way entirely.   
>>
>>  
>
>

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