[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Joe Bernard]

I feel lost when I go there now. It's just a big photo of someone riding 
and my first thought is always, "Ok now what do I do?" I like Analog's page 
with a slide show of things to click on right away if you don't want to go 
search the menu. It's like a "welcome inside and look around" sign. 


On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-7 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Please consider having the top menu anchored... it would be a real boon 
> when scrolling down through an article or product section to have the top 
> menu navigation right there, as a sticky.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:56:21 PM UTC-8 Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, 
>>
>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>
>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>> to the homepage.
>>
>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>
>> Dave Schonenberg
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Berkeleyan]

Please consider having the top menu anchored... it would be a real boon 
when scrolling down through an article or product section to have the top 
menu navigation right there, as a sticky.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:56:21 PM UTC-8 Dave wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
>
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
> to the homepage.
>
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>
> Dave Schonenberg
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Dynamo Wheelset - Pacenti 48mm Tires - $350 plus shipping

[David B]

Wheels only have sold.

Tires and tubes are available for $65 plus shipping.
Includes:
2 Pacenti Pari Moto 650b tires, 48mm
2 Schwalbe SV14 Extralight Tubes
On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 12:10:41 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Bumping and offering without tires/tubes/qrskewers as an option:
> Wheelset only - no tires, tubes, or qr skewers - $290 plus shipping
> Wheelset with tires, tubes, and qr skewers - $350 plus shipping
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 10:54:29 AM UTC-5 David B wrote:
>
>> Starting to part out my Redwood (still available) - offering up this 
>> wheel set.
>>
>> 650b Dynamo Wheelset.
>> Built by me - I'm not a professional wheel builder, but I've likely built 
>> 50+ wheels - possibly more, I haven't kept track, but I build all of my own 
>> wheels and built a bunch of wheels when I used to rebuild and sell older 
>> frames. That is to say, I'm very comfortable building wheels at this point.
>>
>> Hubs: SP PV-8 dynamo hub, Shimano RS400 rear hub, 11s, 130mm (cup/cone, 
>> so can easily be re-spaced to 135mm)
>> Spokes: 36 per wheel, stainless steel, 2.0
>> Rims: Alex DM18, silver, adapters for presto valve tubes
>> Tires: Pacenti Pari Moto 48mm, black wall, with tubes
>>
>> $350 plus shipping/packing materials.
>> Local pickup in Chicagoland area highly preferred - can meet within 
>> reasonable distance.
>> Can ship - shipping would be actual BikeFlights or ShipBike rate plus $16 
>> for a box.
>>
>> Send me a message off list if you're interested. 
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> River Grove, IL
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Joe Bernard]

Does she like her Trek? The bike you pictured isn't the vibe of this list 
but it's a good bike. 


On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> That Riv Reader is great! I need to sit down and re-read them all. That 
> one shows 3 sizes of Wilbury, none of which are 52".
>
> My girlfriend is 5 feet tall. She has a Trek 7.2 FX WSD right now, but I 
> wish I could get her a Rivendell. Her bike has 700 wheels but a very steep 
> toptube, and I think for such a small rider she should have smaller wheels. 
> I think she would really enjoy a Clem Smith Low 26". 
>
> This is not her picture, but the same bike:
>
> https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2015/10/10/trek_wsd_mountain_bike_154485_cdffac6c.jpg
>
> I have been "Rivving-out" her bike gradually. It has Rivendell Wavie 
> handlebars, a Nitto big front rack from Rivendell, and VP Vice pedals. Next 
> up, I'm going to change the cranks to a "One-by" drivetrain. 
>
> m
>  
>
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-4 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>> You can read more about Wilbury and Glorious on Riv Reader 34:
>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf
>>
>> Despite the gorgeous lugs on Wilbury/Glorious, I'd go for the Platypus, 
>> particularly at that asking price. 
>>
>> Good luck!
>> shoji
>> Arlington MA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! 
>>>
>>> It looks like this bike is back on the market:
>>>
>>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/7293327488.html
>>>
>>> Anyone have geometry details on this? I think it is too big for my 
>>> (small sized) gf.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>>
 Before the Holidaze I was in contact with him about the possibility of 
 buying it (even though it's at the low end of my size range), but an 
 inglorious tornado knocked down some large branches, that required a ton 
 of 
 tree work that I couldn't tackle myself; that coupled with the fact that I 
 just built 2 top shelf Crusts in the last 6-8 months AND the holidaze 
 means 
 a Glorius is bit further off than I had hoped.
 Also, the seller has been somewhat stuck on selling it to someone local.
 Incidentally, he does still frequent here and I believe he is selling 
 these to get a Gus Boots??
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Michael Morrissey]

That Riv Reader is great! I need to sit down and re-read them all. That one 
shows 3 sizes of Wilbury, none of which are 52".

My girlfriend is 5 feet tall. She has a Trek 7.2 FX WSD right now, but I 
wish I could get her a Rivendell. Her bike has 700 wheels but a very steep 
toptube, and I think for such a small rider she should have smaller wheels. 
I think she would really enjoy a Clem Smith Low 26". 

This is not her picture, but the same bike:
https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2015/10/10/trek_wsd_mountain_bike_154485_cdffac6c.jpg

I have been "Rivving-out" her bike gradually. It has Rivendell Wavie 
handlebars, a Nitto big front rack from Rivendell, and VP Vice pedals. Next 
up, I'm going to change the cranks to a "One-by" drivetrain. 

m
 

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-4 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> You can read more about Wilbury and Glorious on Riv Reader 34:
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf
>
> Despite the gorgeous lugs on Wilbury/Glorious, I'd go for the Platypus, 
> particularly at that asking price. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi! 
>>
>> It looks like this bike is back on the market:
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/7293327488.html
>>
>> Anyone have geometry details on this? I think it is too big for my (small 
>> sized) gf.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>
>>> Before the Holidaze I was in contact with him about the possibility of 
>>> buying it (even though it's at the low end of my size range), but an 
>>> inglorious tornado knocked down some large branches, that required a ton of 
>>> tree work that I couldn't tackle myself; that coupled with the fact that I 
>>> just built 2 top shelf Crusts in the last 6-8 months AND the holidaze means 
>>> a Glorius is bit further off than I had hoped.
>>> Also, the seller has been somewhat stuck on selling it to someone local.
>>> Incidentally, he does still frequent here and I believe he is selling 
>>> these to get a Gus Boots??
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Michael,
You can read more about Wilbury and Glorious on Riv Reader 34:
http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf

Despite the gorgeous lugs on Wilbury/Glorious, I'd go for the Platypus, 
particularly at that asking price. 

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA


On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi! 
>
> It looks like this bike is back on the market:
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/7293327488.html
>
> Anyone have geometry details on this? I think it is too big for my (small 
> sized) gf.
>
> M
>
>
> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>
>> Before the Holidaze I was in contact with him about the possibility of 
>> buying it (even though it's at the low end of my size range), but an 
>> inglorious tornado knocked down some large branches, that required a ton of 
>> tree work that I couldn't tackle myself; that coupled with the fact that I 
>> just built 2 top shelf Crusts in the last 6-8 months AND the holidaze means 
>> a Glorius is bit further off than I had hoped.
>> Also, the seller has been somewhat stuck on selling it to someone local.
>> Incidentally, he does still frequent here and I believe he is selling 
>> these to get a Gus Boots??
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Joe Bernard]

Sorry, brainfade. The 650B bikes were called Saluki then, not Homer. 


On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It amazes me that frame has never sold. I don't believe it's ever even had 
> parts on it. 
>
> How tall is your gf? My very vague memory of these bikes is they were 
> based on the Toyo-then-Waterford Homer, which will be a shorter 
> front-center more conducive to dropbars than the current Cheviot/Platypus. 
> I'm 5'-6" and I suspect this frame would be too small for me with my 
> preferred Boscos. 
>
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi! 
>>
>> It looks like this bike is back on the market:
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/7293327488.html
>>
>> Anyone have geometry details on this? I think it is too big for my (small 
>> sized) gf.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>
>>> Before the Holidaze I was in contact with him about the possibility of 
>>> buying it (even though it's at the low end of my size range), but an 
>>> inglorious tornado knocked down some large branches, that required a ton of 
>>> tree work that I couldn't tackle myself; that coupled with the fact that I 
>>> just built 2 top shelf Crusts in the last 6-8 months AND the holidaze means 
>>> a Glorius is bit further off than I had hoped.
>>> Also, the seller has been somewhat stuck on selling it to someone local.
>>> Incidentally, he does still frequent here and I believe he is selling 
>>> these to get a Gus Boots??
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Joe Bernard]

It amazes me that frame has never sold. I don't believe it's ever even had 
parts on it. 

How tall is your gf? My very vague memory of these bikes is they were based 
on the Toyo-then-Waterford Homer, which will be a shorter front-center more 
conducive to dropbars than the current Cheviot/Platypus. I'm 5'-6" and I 
suspect this frame would be too small for me with my preferred Boscos. 

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi! 
>
> It looks like this bike is back on the market:
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/7293327488.html
>
> Anyone have geometry details on this? I think it is too big for my (small 
> sized) gf.
>
> M
>
>
> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>
>> Before the Holidaze I was in contact with him about the possibility of 
>> buying it (even though it's at the low end of my size range), but an 
>> inglorious tornado knocked down some large branches, that required a ton of 
>> tree work that I couldn't tackle myself; that coupled with the fact that I 
>> just built 2 top shelf Crusts in the last 6-8 months AND the holidaze means 
>> a Glorius is bit further off than I had hoped.
>> Also, the seller has been somewhat stuck on selling it to someone local.
>> Incidentally, he does still frequent here and I believe he is selling 
>> these to get a Gus Boots??
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi! 

It looks like this bike is back on the market:
https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/7293327488.html

Anyone have geometry details on this? I think it is too big for my (small 
sized) gf.

M


On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:

> Before the Holidaze I was in contact with him about the possibility of 
> buying it (even though it's at the low end of my size range), but an 
> inglorious tornado knocked down some large branches, that required a ton of 
> tree work that I couldn't tackle myself; that coupled with the fact that I 
> just built 2 top shelf Crusts in the last 6-8 months AND the holidaze means 
> a Glorius is bit further off than I had hoped.
> Also, the seller has been somewhat stuck on selling it to someone local.
> Incidentally, he does still frequent here and I believe he is selling 
> these to get a Gus Boots??

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Dynamo Wheelset - Pacenti 48mm Tires - $350 plus shipping

[David B]

Bumping and offering without tires/tubes/qrskewers as an option:
Wheelset only - no tires, tubes, or qr skewers - $290 plus shipping
Wheelset with tires, tubes, and qr skewers - $350 plus shipping

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 10:54:29 AM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Starting to part out my Redwood (still available) - offering up this wheel 
> set.
>
> 650b Dynamo Wheelset.
> Built by me - I'm not a professional wheel builder, but I've likely built 
> 50+ wheels - possibly more, I haven't kept track, but I build all of my own 
> wheels and built a bunch of wheels when I used to rebuild and sell older 
> frames. That is to say, I'm very comfortable building wheels at this point.
>
> Hubs: SP PV-8 dynamo hub, Shimano RS400 rear hub, 11s, 130mm (cup/cone, so 
> can easily be re-spaced to 135mm)
> Spokes: 36 per wheel, stainless steel, 2.0
> Rims: Alex DM18, silver, adapters for presto valve tubes
> Tires: Pacenti Pari Moto 48mm, black wall, with tubes
>
> $350 plus shipping/packing materials.
> Local pickup in Chicagoland area highly preferred - can meet within 
> reasonable distance.
> Can ship - shipping would be actual BikeFlights or ShipBike rate plus $16 
> for a box.
>
> Send me a message off list if you're interested. 
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: FS-Clem L 64 --New

[Benjamin Boerum]

Hi Al,
PM sent. (Never really got Google Groups to work correctly on my phone, so 
it might not have made it to the correct place!)
Thanks,
-ben-

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-4 a spen wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> I ordered this 64 Clem-L, along with most of the bits for the build, but 
> then ended up going a different direction. So, rather than bothering Grant 
> and co. with a return I thought I would offer it to the group.
>  
> A couple of configurations possible for how it could be purchased, this is 
> what I have in mind:
>
> --F/F/HS (w/ BB & seat post) & Cliff Hanger rims outfitted with 2.8 
> Teravail tubeless gumwall tires, Silver hubs ($1350)
>
> --F/F/HS (BB & seat post) $900
>
> --A complete build may also be possible if interested.
>
> Frame is lovely Riv Blue, and has not yet been assembled or ridden. Pics 
> available soon. 
> Prices include shipping CONUS.
>
> Please PM me and let me know what you think.  Thanks!
>
> Al
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[Anthony Coffin]

Bill, you just blew my mind. Being someone who doesn't ride "off road" I
had never considered the potentialy immense benefits of a light front end.
Thank you for the enlightenment!

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 9:03 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The Original Poster asked questions bout the design of the Susie/Wolbis,
> and stated their favorite bike has similarly long chainstays but a front
> center that is fully 4 inches (ten centimeters) shorter.  The Original
> Poster asked for a comparison.
>
> Maybe it would be useful to the discussion for you to show us that
> favorite bike of yours, and let's compare it to your size of Susie.  Post
> some pictures!
>
> My first instinct is that in my size of Susie, if the front center was 4
> inches shorter I'd have TCO which I wouldn't want on a hillibike, and the
> front end would be super heavy.  The positive of a heavy front end may be
> that the front tire hooks up better.  The bad part of a heavy front end is
> that I'd have a harder time getting the front end to roll up and over
> things.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7 reca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the
>> past few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some
>> geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to
>> appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using
>> front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation
>> to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e.
>> getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).
>>
>> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the
>> following method (paraphrased):
>>
>>
>>1. pick the trail you want
>>2. pick where you want your wheels to be
>>3. pick BB height
>>4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired
>>position(s) through HT length, stem, bars, etc.
>>
>> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more
>> upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to
>> accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the
>> front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of
>> making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and
>> corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most
>> importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it
>> still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically
>> do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the
>> benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright
>> position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my
>> favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center,
>> lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the
>> Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am
>> looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the
>> bike?
>>
>> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this
>> has been covered here before.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - Bags and a rack! Sackville, Fab's Chest, Nitto

[Adam Bowen]

Sackville TrunkSack Small - GREEN - $80 +$10 Shipping
Sackville SaddleSack XSmall - GRAY - *SOLD*
Fabio's Chest, sewn by Swift Industries -  GREEN - LARGE - $200 + $20 
shipped
Nitto Mini-Front 32F - *SOLD*

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:52:03 PM UTC-4 Sean B. wrote:

> Interested in the fabios chest, do you have the mounting hardware for the 
> saddle? 
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-5 Adam Bowen wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I have some bags for sale. All used, but not for very long and 
>> none abused. Located in Philadelphia if you want a local pickup, otherwise, 
>> I will ship at the buyer's expense. 
>>
>> Sackville TrunkSack Small - GREEN - $80 +$10 Shipping
>> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall - GRAY - $60 + $10 Shipping
>> Fabio's Chest, sewn by Swift Industries -  GREEN - LARGE - $200 + $20 
>> shipped
>> Nitto Mini-Front 32F - $90 + $20 shipped
>>
>> PHOTOS: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Toe348pvjfisziROnus48ArlyxbvHJno?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Anthony Coffin]

Nice one! If I'm ever lucky enough to find a 60cm Ebisu I might actually
crap my pants.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 1:38 PM Jeffrey S  wrote:

> Not a Rivendell, but a VERY nice Ebisu touring bike from Jitensha Studio
> in Berkeley. Located in Portland, OR.
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-ebisu-jitensha-study-touring/7290768177.html
>
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:14:55 PM UTC-8 Jingy wrote:
>
>> Bleriot frameset
>> 57cm
>> $400
>> Minneapolis MN
>>
>> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/amherst-rivendell-bleriot-frame-57-cm/7289878456.html
>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 7:47:58 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Clem Smith Jr.
>>> 45cm
>>> $1000
>>> Waterford, ME
>>>
>>> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-waterford-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7280189187.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Clem Smith Jr.
>>> 52cm
>>> $1250
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-52cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7281407780.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Betty Foy
>>> 54cm
>>> $1000
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-custom-rivendell-betty-foy/7280374983.html
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - Bags and a rack! Sackville, Fab's Chest, Nitto

[Adam Bowen]

Sean B.,The bag only comes with the center lower velcro strap. Any 
additional straps, you will have to provide.

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:52:03 PM UTC-4 Sean B. wrote:

> Interested in the fabios chest, do you have the mounting hardware for the 
> saddle? 
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-5 Adam Bowen wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I have some bags for sale. All used, but not for very long and 
>> none abused. Located in Philadelphia if you want a local pickup, otherwise, 
>> I will ship at the buyer's expense. 
>>
>> Sackville TrunkSack Small - GREEN - $80 +$10 Shipping
>> Sackville SaddleSack XSmall - GRAY - $60 + $10 Shipping
>> Fabio's Chest, sewn by Swift Industries -  GREEN - LARGE - $200 + $20 
>> shipped
>> Nitto Mini-Front 32F - $90 + $20 shipped
>>
>> PHOTOS: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Toe348pvjfisziROnus48ArlyxbvHJno?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[reca...@gmail.com]

Thanks, all! I was wondering if it had something to do with wanting to get 
the handlebars higher and the shallow head tube angle. I wonder if people 
are generally also using these with shorter stems? All this was just to see 
what people's riding experiences have been in terms of handling. I'll just 
have to build a susie/wolbishish bike to test for myself, though not sure 
where to find chainstays that long! Thanks again all!

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi, 
> I think F-C is an important parameter for Grant's designs. Here's a 
> thread: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/dW25Rl2Qf3M/m/FL_RhSQwAwAJ
>
> I think Joe's point about the type of handlebar to which he's designing 
> the frame around is important, and has permitted him to expand F-C over the 
> years in other models. 
>
> Grant designs for where he rides (and how he rides). If your ride 
> conditions are different, it might not work as well for you. Longer chain 
> stays probably help quite a bit on steep hard-pack dirt for climbing and 
> descending. East Bay trails aren't rooted like New England trails, so 
> popping up front wheel or other MTB-maneuvers isn't as important. For me, 
> my low-trail bike washes out on loose dirt trails compared to my Riv. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-4 reca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the 
>> past few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some 
>> geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to 
>> appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using 
>> front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation 
>> to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. 
>> getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).
>>
>> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
>> following method (paraphrased):
>>
>>
>>1. pick the trail you want
>>2. pick where you want your wheels to be
>>3. pick BB height
>>4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired 
>>position(s) through HT length, stem, bars, etc.
>>
>> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more 
>> upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to 
>> accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the 
>> front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of 
>> making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and 
>> corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most 
>> importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it 
>> still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically 
>> do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the 
>> benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright 
>> position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my 
>> favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, 
>> lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the 
>> Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am 
>> looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the 
>> bike? 
>>
>> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this 
>> has been covered here before. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Clem H Travels Coast to Coast

[Brendan Willard in SF]

I'm glad it arrived safely!  That box is a bit worrisome!  

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:36:24 AM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Despite an accident along the way, and the winter storm delays between 
> here and there over the past week, I received a 59cm Clem H today from 
> California. (Thanks to the group member who offered it up.) This bike is 
> beefier than I expected, but that's a good thing. I have most of the parts 
> and pieces ready to go, and the weather is getting nicer here in PA, so let 
> the fun begin. Maybe not chasing racers up hill kind of fun, but fun none 
> the less.
>
> Marty
>
> [image: PXL_20210316_180354351.jpeg]
> I was a little worried about this box damage, but did not seem to transfer 
> to the frame. 
> [image: PXL_20210316_175810758.MP.jpg]
> The local UPS store in Redwood City CA did the packing. If Rivendell is an 
> "A+" packer, I would give UPS a "C", although working with them was very 
> pleasant, and it did arrive in good order. 
>
> [image: PXL_20210316_175932406.jpeg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis Front-Center Question

[Bill Lindsay]

The Original Poster asked questions bout the design of the Susie/Wolbis, 
and stated their favorite bike has similarly long chainstays but a front 
center that is fully 4 inches (ten centimeters) shorter.  The Original 
Poster asked for a comparison.  

Maybe it would be useful to the discussion for you to show us that favorite 
bike of yours, and let's compare it to your size of Susie.  Post some 
pictures!

My first instinct is that in my size of Susie, if the front center was 4 
inches shorter I'd have TCO which I wouldn't want on a hillibike, and the 
front end would be super heavy.  The positive of a heavy front end may be 
that the front tire hooks up better.  The bad part of a heavy front end is 
that I'd have a harder time getting the front end to roll up and over 
things. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 11:39:33 AM UTC-7 reca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Since I've been *very* slowly getting into DIY framebuilding over the 
> past few years, and by way of it, trying to better understand why some 
> geometries work for me and my kind of riding over others, I have come to 
> appreciate the method of builders like Waltworks in terms of using 
> front-center as a guide for putting together a frame geometry with relation 
> to getting the rider's weight distribution the way they want it (i.e. 
> getting the bike to ride and fit the way one wants).
>
> A corollary to this is that a builder might then use, like Waltworks the 
> following method (paraphrased):
>
>
>1. pick the trail you want
>2. pick where you want your wheels to be
>3. pick BB height
>4. make sure the person can then fit the bike in the desired 
>position(s) through HT length, stem, bars, etc.
>
> So my long-winded question is, with Grant's emphasis on getting more 
> upright and weight to the back while making the chainstays longer to 
> accommodate this, what might be the corresponding logic of making the 
> front-center length of the Susie/Wolbis almost so long? Is it a matter of 
> making the total wheelbase longer or a function of the slacker HT and 
> corresponding fork offset/trail), a combo? Perhaps I am wondering most 
> importantly is, what are the ride characteristics of such a choice? Does it 
> still handle in the way that most other high-trail bikes characteristically 
> do? I ask because I am really interested in this design, understand the 
> benefits of longer chainstays especially for my kind of more upright 
> position and preferred weight distribution, but have still found that my 
> favorite kind of bike that I have ridden so far has a longish rear-center, 
> lowish trail, and a  front-center about 10cm shorter than that of the 
> Susie. I am by no means a low trail evangelist, so  I guess what I am 
> looking for are some impressions in terms of front-end handling of the 
> bike? 
>
> Thank you all and please excuse (direct me to the discussions) if this has 
> been covered here before. 
>
>

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