Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Bones]

Leah, I think the rise is probably more important here. The Boscos rise a 
lot more than the Billies, and are only a little bit longer from the clamp. 
If you wanted your hands in roughly the same place, you'd probably need the 
stem maxed out... which is why the faceplater is a good idea. Because the 
head tube angles toward you, the more you raise the bars up, the closer to 
you they get. Judging from the pictures you posted earlier in this thread, 
I'm not sure you could get the Billies that high. However, they still may 
be comfortable if they are lower but closer. I would just try them out on 
your current stem first. You'll know right away if they are too low, too 
close, or just not going to work at all. I didn't consider Billies for my 
wife's bike because A) I didn't think I could get them to a comfortable 
height and B) she is medium to small and I did not think she would be 
comfortable with the extra width. All that said, the Billies are great 
bars. Lots of real estate, nearly as sharp looking as the albatross, and I 
do dig the extra width.

Hope this helps,
Bones

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:44:18 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Leah - I don't think the 90 will be too short for you, although that's 
> based on nothing but a hunch really. The Platy's are long bikes, and my 
> comment about needing a real long stem for Billie bars is geared more 
> towards someone who is moving to the Billie from drop bars and is used to 
> that really long reach they have.  In your case, coming from Boscos, you'll 
> get more than a full fist's worth of forward grip area on the same stem, 
> and I imagine that'll be enough.  If you find the Bosco's reach to be short 
> even when you're just cruising along, then yeah a longer stem is probably 
> due.  
>
> I am ISO that long Faceplater but I swear this doesn't affect my feedback 
> :) 
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 5:34 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jason, do you think my 90 stem is going to bring the Billie bars too 
>> close to me? I can't find an 11cm Tallux (which I think would work) but 
>> there's a used 135 mm Faceplater (which is really 124mm accounting for 
>> rise) I might be able to get my hands on. Would Billies with the 135 
>> Faceplater be too much reach? I don't want to lean so far forward that I'm 
>> bearing weight on my hands. I also don't want to be bolt upright. 
>>
>> Bones, you might have insight here as well...
>>
>> I'm sure the other Platy owners would love to know for their own builds...
>> Leah  
>>
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie 
>>> bar.  That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand 
>>> positions of the options I'm familiar with.  On the Boscos, while it's 
>>> common practice to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how 
>>> anyone makes decent use of this area as a hand position.  However, while 
>>> the Billie extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very 
>>> comfortably and naturally slide your hands all the way into the front 
>>> "hooks", which is a bunch of inches forward.  These bars are so long your 
>>> stem length does little more than determine where along the bar you put 
>>> your brake levers - I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand 
>>> position;  Rivendell puts them further back on the bar than I would, I like 
>>> 1.5 grip's worth about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to put 
>>> your hands forward even if they rest atop the levers partially.  
>>>
>>> Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond 
>>> their incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low 
>>> profile and therefore comfortable to rest your hands on.  
>>>
>>> My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left) 
>>> and the Billie (right)
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you 
 could try in Sacramento. 

 On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:

 Leah,
 The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some 
 bars before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right 
 the top tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H 
 the ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
 Doug

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded 
 geo on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s 
 still a reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have 
 a 
 grilver Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. 
 But 
 I wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next d

[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Pam Bikes]

If anyone is passing through, I am on Warmshowers and you could ride one of 
my Cheviots if you want.  Please come visit.  Charlotte is a great place to 
ride.  Here's a route where I pieced together many of our greenways.  
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/36054960

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:41:50 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> i don't have much new to add here other than to echo others' comments that 
> this bike, and this post, are premium content that i'm very grateful for.  
> thank you for posting it!  i wish charlotte weren't so far away or i'd be 
> down next month for that meet-up, you betcha.
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:16:04 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> That is the best looking Riv I have ever seen.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 02:55:16 UTC+8 JAS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Pam, you are an inspiration!  Thank you for sharing your trusty Betty 
>>> Foy and all of her beauty marks. She is definitely a work of art.  I'm 
>>> impressed with your mileage, daily riding, hauling ability and dedication 
>>> to helping others learn skills and confidence so they, too, can enjoy 
>>> cycling.   Cheers to you!
>>> RivSisters,
>>> --Joyce
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:48:50 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I wanted the picture of the sticker with Grant's quote small and 
 centered so you could read it but couldn't figure out how to do that and 
 make the pictures smaller so you wouldn't need to scroll so much but who 
 has time for that.  I just want to ride my bike.

 On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 10:00:40 AM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Beautiful bike and I disagree about your wordpress skills. Fun stuff.
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:03 AM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great write up!
>>
>> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 9:11:15 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>>> beausage.  
>>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's 
>>> cobbled together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun 
>>> facts.  
>>> I love my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it 
>>> still.
>>>
>>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another >10year old Rivendell

[Pam Bikes]

I love all the bikes getting ridden.  I think it's glorious to share them 
for all to see and appreciate.  I visited a friend today and was admiring 
his blue Rambouillet.  What a beautiful head badge.  I could stare at Rivs 
all day.  
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:21:41 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sheesh: 42s with fenders (which on this bike are non-negotiable).
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... but more dirt capable than Matthews 2:1 with 42 mm tires (26) max. 
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jason Fuller]

Leah - I don't think the 90 will be too short for you, although that's
based on nothing but a hunch really. The Platy's are long bikes, and my
comment about needing a real long stem for Billie bars is geared more
towards someone who is moving to the Billie from drop bars and is used to
that really long reach they have.  In your case, coming from Boscos, you'll
get more than a full fist's worth of forward grip area on the same stem,
and I imagine that'll be enough.  If you find the Bosco's reach to be short
even when you're just cruising along, then yeah a longer stem is probably
due.

I am ISO that long Faceplater but I swear this doesn't affect my feedback
:)

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 5:34 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jason, do you think my 90 stem is going to bring the Billie bars too close
> to me? I can't find an 11cm Tallux (which I think would work) but there's a
> used 135 mm Faceplater (which is really 124mm accounting for rise) I might
> be able to get my hands on. Would Billies with the 135 Faceplater be too
> much reach? I don't want to lean so far forward that I'm bearing weight on
> my hands. I also don't want to be bolt upright.
>
> Bones, you might have insight here as well...
>
> I'm sure the other Platy owners would love to know for their own builds...
> Leah
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie
>> bar.  That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand
>> positions of the options I'm familiar with.  On the Boscos, while it's
>> common practice to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how
>> anyone makes decent use of this area as a hand position.  However, while
>> the Billie extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very
>> comfortably and naturally slide your hands all the way into the front
>> "hooks", which is a bunch of inches forward.  These bars are so long your
>> stem length does little more than determine where along the bar you put
>> your brake levers - I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand
>> position;  Rivendell puts them further back on the bar than I would, I like
>> 1.5 grip's worth about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to put
>> your hands forward even if they rest atop the levers partially.
>>
>> Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond their
>> incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low profile and
>> therefore comfortable to rest your hands on.
>>
>> My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left)
>> and the Billie (right)
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could
>>> try in Sacramento.
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah,
>>> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some
>>> bars before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right
>>> the top tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H
>>> the ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo
>>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a
>>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver
>>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I
>>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and
>>> we could try it out!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops
>>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my
>>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to
>>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long)
>>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers
>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars,
>>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too
>>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why,
>>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts
>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to
>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now.
>>> Any

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Jason, do you think my 90 stem is going to bring the Billie bars too close 
to me? I can't find an 11cm Tallux (which I think would work) but there's a 
used 135 mm Faceplater (which is really 124mm accounting for rise) I might 
be able to get my hands on. Would Billies with the 135 Faceplater be too 
much reach? I don't want to lean so far forward that I'm bearing weight on 
my hands. I also don't want to be bolt upright. 

Bones, you might have insight here as well...

I'm sure the other Platy owners would love to know for their own builds...
Leah  

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie bar.  
> That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand positions of 
> the options I'm familiar with.  On the Boscos, while it's common practice 
> to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how anyone makes 
> decent use of this area as a hand position.  However, while the Billie 
> extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very comfortably and 
> naturally slide your hands all the way into the front "hooks", which is a 
> bunch of inches forward.  These bars are so long your stem length does 
> little more than determine where along the bar you put your brake levers - 
> I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand position;  Rivendell 
> puts them further back on the bar than I would, I like 1.5 grip's worth 
> about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to put your hands 
> forward even if they rest atop the levers partially.  
>
> Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond their 
> incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low profile and 
> therefore comfortable to rest your hands on.  
>
> My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left) 
> and the Billie (right)
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM  wrote:
>
>> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could 
>> try in Sacramento. 
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>
>> Leah,
>> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some 
>> bars before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right 
>> the top tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H 
>> the ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo 
>> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
>> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
>> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I 
>> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and 
>> we could try it out!
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>
>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops 
>> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my 
>> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to 
>> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) 
>> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, 
>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too 
>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, 
>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 
>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>
>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>> your impressions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Sunglasses, cycling and civilian; LG road shoes size 44; price drop on Endura jacket

[Patrick Moore]

As an aside, I finally found some cycling or more-or-less cycling shades
that fit my somewhat narrow face with Asian bridge, and only $25: Tifosi's
regrettably-named "Swank" shades, if you choose a more subdued color
combination. The narrow-faced and Asian-nosed: take note.

Interesting too: The wood-templed and Bolle lenses are noticeably, though
only slightly, more clear than those of the Tifosis.

Note again too that the Bolles are very dark.

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 4:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Shipping not included; add actual postage and handling from 87120, USA.
>
> 1. Bolle wraparounds, no case, very dark, lightly used, vg condition, sit
> too loosely on my half-Asian nose, $50.
>
> 2. High end civilian sunglasses, very good lenses, wooden temples, from
> Japan? Too wide for me at 13 cm inside to inside at hinges, 14 cm inside to
> inside at ends of temples. $50.
>
> 3. Tifosi wraparounds, much used, with Tifosi case: free with purchase of
> other 2. Take all 3 for $110 shipped CONUS.
>
> 4. LG road shoes, 44, almost as new. I'm second owner and only tried them
> on to find they are too small. Previous owner said he wore them literally
> once around the block. Good for Yellow Jersey Look-pattern slotted cleats
> (these have holes for 2 of the 3 Look holes). You can change the laces to
> black. $30, what I paid for them.
>
> 5. Endura Convert jacket, Large, vg, 30" from *bottom* of neck seam to
> bottom of tail at center; 21 1/2" pit to pit. *NOTE: DEFECT!!!* A ~2" hem
> seam on the upper left sleeve started to ravel (unravel?) and I neatly
> stitched it back up with red thread; see photo. Now $40 + shipping.
>
> *Take everything for $125.00 shipped CONUS. Interested in trading for size
> 45 cycling shoe suitable for slotted cleats and clips/straps; also good toe
> straps, buttons, pads.*
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
>
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[rltilley]

I just picked up the cutting wheels below and they did cut through a broken tap 
so they appear to do a good job so far. And it didn’t shatter like many of the 
cutting wheels I have used in the past.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B4UDH3/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_track_package_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

+1 on the cordless option. I just picked one up to replace a corded model and 
cordless is the way to go.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
> 
> 
> I slip with a hand file a heckuva lot more than I do with a Dremel. 
> 
> And the Dremel leaves so much less to finish after the cut. Sometimes it just 
> takes a few twists with some sandpaper.
> 
> I don't have a lot of Honjo tubular struts, but I've got a couple/few, and 
> snips/cutters don't make any sense there. Dremel or hacksaw.
> 
> The key Dremel heaven is to use a rechargeable Dremel, no cord to get in the 
> way or limit travel.
> 
> And that's all I have to say about that
> 
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Are you set on using a dremel for cutting and finishing? 
>> I use a pair of bolt cutters and a bench top belt sander with good results. 
>> I just worry about operating spinny, cutty tools so near a (presumably) 
>> beautiful paint job. It's of course more work to fit them, cut them, take 
>> them off, finish the edges and then reinstall, but maybe I'm just one to 
>> take the scenic route. 
>> If I'm in a "hurry" I'll cut with the bolt cutters and finish with a hand 
>> file, leaving the strut mounted to the fender but not mounted to the frame 
>> eyelet. 
>> All the same, if you're handy with the Dremel and trust that you won't nick 
>> the paint, I've always enjoyed using a flex shaft attachment, as it's easier 
>> to articulate with. 
>> Best of luck!
>> -Addison 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 7:50:11 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>>> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my Dremel 
>>> rotary.
>>> 
>>> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
>>> paralyzing.
>>> 
>>> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for cutting 
>>> stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp edges 
>>> after the cuts.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any information.
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Re: [RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Paul Brodek]

.if you're into the whole brevity thing.

Paul "El Duderino" Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 3:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I have to agree that a Dremel with cutting wheel makes stays much easier
> for me; finish off with Dremel grinding bit. Me, my Dremel (a very old but
> nice one found at Goodwill years ago; better than the new one I had bought,
> which I then sold) is corded, but I don't use it enough to make buying a
> new one worthwhile.
>
> But one other secret is to let the rotational speed do the work. I've
> broken dozens and dozens of cutting wheels by pressing to hard when a light
> touch would get the job done easier, faster, and neater.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:12 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
>> ... The key Dremel heaven is to use a rechargeable Dremel, no cord to get
>> in the way or limit travel.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree that a Dremel with cutting wheel makes stays much easier
for me; finish off with Dremel grinding bit. Me, my Dremel (a very old but
nice one found at Goodwill years ago; better than the new one I had bought,
which I then sold) is corded, but I don't use it enough to make buying a
new one worthwhile.

But one other secret is to let the rotational speed do the work. I've
broken dozens and dozens of cutting wheels by pressing to hard when a light
touch would get the job done easier, faster, and neater.

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:12 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> ... The key Dremel heaven is to use a rechargeable Dremel, no cord to get
> in the way or limit travel.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Emily Guise]

Joyce, so glad you were able to get those Shikoros! I have them on my 60cm 
Platy and have been very pleasantly surprised by how nice they feel on the 
road; they seem to really smooth out the rough spots. So far I haven't had 
a flat in a month of ownership even though our streets are full of glass 
and potholes. Two thumbs up from me!

-Emily

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the tires.  
> Thanks so much for the link.
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
>> https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
>>> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>>>
>>> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the ride. 
>>> I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" by 
>>> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>>>
>>> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
>>> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to Big 
>>> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the flat 
>>> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
>>> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
>>> appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience.  
>>> As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the folding 
>>> Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
>>> better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>>>
>>> --Joyce
>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, most 
 on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.

 Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
 rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the flats 
 per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie from 
 more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet for 
 a 
 number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
 Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
 the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big Apples).

 On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride stiff 
> tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, really 
> much 
> preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas per 
> year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 
>
> Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to 
> ride the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting 
> pleasure: in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*
>
> Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
> usually let me get home before I had to break out the patch kit (also one 
> for each bike); plus of course top quality pumps. Again, each to his own; 
> this was my own.
>
> * For me, an unscientific but still empirical division at about 45 or 
> 50 psi.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Should I feel bad about my 780g Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard tires?  
>> Sure keeps the flats away when riding on the street. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Edwin W]

If you ever feel like you are getting too many flats on the rear (always 
the rear!), a much tougher, but still a bit supple tire is the Marathon 
Supreme. And it comes in 700x42.
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_supreme

There are many marathons... this one is the lightest and most supple, I 
think.

Good luck and report back.

Edwin

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 1:41:11 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the tires.  
> Thanks so much for the link.
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
>> https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
>>> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>>>
>>> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the ride. 
>>> I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" by 
>>> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>>>
>>> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
>>> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to Big 
>>> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the flat 
>>> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
>>> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
>>> appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience.  
>>> As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the folding 
>>> Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
>>> better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>>>
>>> --Joyce
>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, most 
 on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.

 Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
 rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the flats 
 per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie from 
 more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet for 
 a 
 number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
 Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
 the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big Apples).

 On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride stiff 
> tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, really 
> much 
> preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas per 
> year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 
>
> Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to 
> ride the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting 
> pleasure: in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*
>
> Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
> usually let me get home before I had to break out the patch kit (also one 
> for each bike); plus of course top quality pumps. Again, each to his own; 
> this was my own.
>
> * For me, an unscientific but still empirical division at about 45 or 
> 50 psi.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Should I feel bad about my 780g Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard tires?  
>> Sure keeps the flats away when riding on the street. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[JAS]

Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the tires.  
Thanks so much for the link.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
> https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown?
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
>> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>>
>> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the ride. 
>> I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" by 
>> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>>
>> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
>> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to Big 
>> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the flat 
>> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
>> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>>
>> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I appreciate 
>> the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience.  As far as 
>> my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the folding Shikoro 
>> 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be better, 
>> but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>>
>> --Joyce
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, most 
>>> on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.
>>>
>>> Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
>>> rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the flats 
>>> per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie from 
>>> more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet for a 
>>> number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
>>> Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
>>> the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big Apples).
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride stiff 
 tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, really much 
 preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas per 
 year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 

 Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to 
 ride the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting 
 pleasure: in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*

 Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
 usually let me get home before I had to break out the patch kit (also one 
 for each bike); plus of course top quality pumps. Again, each to his own; 
 this was my own.

 * For me, an unscientific but still empirical division at about 45 or 
 50 psi.

 On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> Should I feel bad about my 780g Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard tires?  
> Sure keeps the flats away when riding on the street. 
>
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[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Paul Brodek]

I slip with a hand file a heckuva lot more than I do with a Dremel. 

And the Dremel leaves so much less to finish after the cut. Sometimes it 
just takes a few twists with some sandpaper.

I don't have a lot of Honjo tubular struts, but I've got a couple/few, and 
snips/cutters don't make any sense there. Dremel or hacksaw.

The key Dremel heaven is to use a rechargeable Dremel, no cord to get in 
the way or limit travel.

And that's all I have to say about that

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA





On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:

> Are you set on using a dremel for cutting and finishing? 
> I use a pair of bolt cutters and a bench top belt sander with good 
> results. I just worry about operating spinny, cutty tools so near a 
> (presumably) beautiful paint job. It's of course more work to fit them, cut 
> them, take them off, finish the edges and then reinstall, but maybe I'm 
> just one to take the scenic route. 
> If I'm in a "hurry" I'll cut with the bolt cutters and finish with a hand 
> file, leaving the strut mounted to the fender but not mounted to the frame 
> eyelet. 
> All the same, if you're handy with the Dremel and trust that you won't 
> nick the paint, I've always enjoyed using a flex shaft attachment, as it's 
> easier to articulate with. 
> Best of luck!
> -Addison 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 7:50:11 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my 
>> Dremel rotary.
>>
>> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
>> paralyzing.
>>
>> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for 
>> cutting stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp 
>> edges after the cuts.
>>
>> Thanks for any information.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Removeable 31.8 Faceplate Quill Stems

[lconley]

Nitto Sold

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 7:59:58 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> New, test fit, never ridden, maybe a few light scratches if you look 
> close from from sitting around in the drawer.
> VO - nickel plated, 80mm - $65 shipped CONUS
> Nitto - UI-12 110mm - $45 shipped CONUS
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another >10year old Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh: 42s with fenders (which on this bike are non-negotiable).

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... but more dirt capable than Matthews 2:1 with 42 mm tires (26) max.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another >10year old Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Like Matthews 1:1? Not quite; more road-like than even that "road bike for
dirt", though that Matthews is pretty road-like in fit and handling for a
bike suitable for 3" sand. Lower bar, quicker handling, perhaps even more
bb drop; Possible? Desirable in real life instead of imagination? Dunno,
would leave that to the builder. More pavement focused than the Matthews
1:1 but more dirt capable than Matthews 2:1 with 42 mm tires (26) max.

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:13 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...
> * Ideal Sam, for firm dirt and pavement -- a sort of 700C all rounder:
> much lighter tubing, clearance for those 55 cm RH tires, geometry allows a
> setup like my road bikes -- like the Ram, in fact, as far as 55 mm tires
> allow.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another >10year old Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

The saddle was in the right place, since saddle position (height, fore/aft)
is always my starting point for fit, but mine (floor model) came with 10 cm
stem and I was trying out Grant's suggestion that instead of shortening the
stem, raise the bar. But I didn't think it through: even raised as high as
I cared to do (level with saddle, possibly 1/2" higher), the stem was about
1 cm too long; and the bar was a 46 cm Noodle (IIRC) which I later (on
another bike) decided was about 4 cm too wide for my comfort. Had I thought
it through, once I got the saddle in place, I'd have considered where I
wanted the bar (reach and height) and how wide a bar I wanted (42 max at
hoods) and selected the stem accordingly. I guess that my standard 8 cm
stem and a narrower bar would have fixed much of the problem.

The handling, or at least the "feel" of how it handled, was doubtless
harmed by a bar too high for my taste and habits -- not enough weight on
the front wheel; but still, I think the Sam had more flop than I care for,
even with a wide bar; at least, it had more flop under heavy rear loads,
which are my practice. But perhaps with the bar properly placed this would
have been less of a problem.

In any event, the Sam is one of the sold-on Rivs that I can imagine having
kept; probably more keepable, for my uses and tastes, than the Ram for its
versatility -- had it accepted 50+ mm tires. I liked and still like the
*idea* of a Sam.* Around here, anything under 50 (and 50 is marginal) is a
road and not an off road tire (well, for me, at least; I follow others
riding thru bosque sand pits cursing and swerving on sub-50 mm tires), but
a Sam with 55 mm RH tires would indeed be worth examining closely.

* Ideal Sam, for firm dirt and pavement -- a sort of 700C all rounder: much
lighter tubing, clearance for those 55 cm RH tires, geometry allows a setup
like my road bikes -- like the Ram, in fact, as far as 55 mm tires allow.


On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:04 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore said some things about his former Sam Hillborne
>
> " I owned a first edition Sam for a year or so and, if it had accepted
> fatter tires I might still have it; it was, or would have been, a very nice
> all rounder; the early ones were limited to -- Bill may and will correct me
> -- about 38 mm wide, IIRC, and there weren't (IIRC) any or many nice
> rolling 38s on the market circa 2010-2011; I used Jack Brown Greens. I
> found the tt too long, but in retrospect, d'oh!, I could have -- you know
> -- bought a shorter stem (bar height is not for me a variable)."
>
> I run mine with 700x38 almost all the time.  Steilacoom or Gravel Kings
> when I want knobbies, Barlow Pass slicks or Gravel King slicks when I
> don't.  It fits full metal fenders with 38s.  I've run up to 45s without
> fenders.  I think you decided the tt was too long because you ran the
> saddle too far back on your Sam, because you didn't correct for seat tube
> angle.  With the saddle mid rail, you would have had the KOPS you want, and
> the top tube length would have been correct.  That frame had a 59cm top
> tube.  Correcting for seat tube angle you would have run the saddle 2cm
> forward from normal, and voila, it would fit like a 57cm top tube.  That
> would have improved the front end handling for you as well.
>

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[RBW] Ortlieb Panniers Two sets

[Carla Waugh]

Pair of black roller classic panniers good condition 100.00 plus a little 
shipping. Im in Norman Ok.
Pair of white roller classic panniers good condition 100.00
if you need pics let me know.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another >10year old Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore said some things about his former Sam Hillborne

" I owned a first edition Sam for a year or so and, if it had accepted 
fatter tires I might still have it; it was, or would have been, a very nice 
all rounder; the early ones were limited to -- Bill may and will correct me 
-- about 38 mm wide, IIRC, and there weren't (IIRC) any or many nice 
rolling 38s on the market circa 2010-2011; I used Jack Brown Greens. I 
found the tt too long, but in retrospect, d'oh!, I could have -- you know 
-- bought a shorter stem (bar height is not for me a variable)."

I run mine with 700x38 almost all the time.  Steilacoom or Gravel Kings 
when I want knobbies, Barlow Pass slicks or Gravel King slicks when I 
don't.  It fits full metal fenders with 38s.  I've run up to 45s without 
fenders.  I think you decided the tt was too long because you ran the 
saddle too far back on your Sam, because you didn't correct for seat tube 
angle.  With the saddle mid rail, you would have had the KOPS you want, and 
the top tube length would have been correct.  That frame had a 59cm top 
tube.  Correcting for seat tube angle you would have run the saddle 2cm 
forward from normal, and voila, it would fit like a 57cm top tube.  That 
would have improved the front end handling for you as well.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I owned a first edition Sam for a year or so and, if it had accepted 
> fatter tires I might still have it; it was, or would have been, a very nice 
> all rounder; the early ones were limited to -- Bill may and will correct me 
> -- about 38 mm wide, IIRC, and there weren't (IIRC) any or many nice 
> rolling 38s on the market circa 2010-2011; I used Jack Brown Greens. I 
> found the tt too long, but in retrospect, d'oh!, I could have -- you know 
> -- bought a shorter stem (bar height is not for me a variable).
>
> But I sort of kind of agree that if someone held a gun to my head and 
> said, "One bike. Choose." I'd be very tempted to pick either the Matthews 
> 1:1 or the Matthews 2:1 (2X10 29er road bike for dirt and 1X3/1X1 26er road 
> bike for road) with 61 and 41 mm tires respectively. OTOH, I keep coming 
> back to home base: the 1999 Joe Starck stripped down fixed gear, which is 
> among many very pleasant bikes still the most pleasant, even if it gets the 
> fewest miles.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:05 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Jason asked about the mileage on my Hillborne
>>
>> I've only been logging mileage on Strava since 2014, and only got really 
>> obsessive about logging every single ride since 2017.  I have a total of 
>> ~19,000 miles on Strava, spread over a total of 22 bikes.  The Hillborne 
>> has the most documented Strava mileage at 1760.  I've got 10 different 
>> bikes over 1000 miles on Strava.  
>>
>> Pre-Strava, before I was logging miles at all, perhaps I rode the 
>> Hillborne another 1500 miles when it was part of a smaller stable.  So 
>> maybe 3000 miles total on this bike.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice Bill, cheers for the story and wow at 16 bikes - it is 
>>> heartening to read that even with that collection it's the Hillborne that 
>>> would outlast them all - I feel the same about mine, though I've only had 
>>> it two years!  Any idea as to what its mileage would be?  It does sound 
>>> like the perfect situation, having it at the office - it's kind of like you 
>>> do just have one bike when you're there, and supports your claim that it 
>>> would be The One.  
>>>
>>> I wonder how many bikes I'd have if space wasn't such a restriction for 
>>> me... 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 10:11:01 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I've admittedly got a huge stable of bikes.  It has "swole" to fully 16 
 bikes at the moment.  I'm really proud of the fact that all of them are 
 dialed and that I ride them all.  As a result, even though I put down a 
 decent amount of mileage, none of my bikes has been ridden an epic amount. 
  

 The bike I've owned the longest and ridden the most is my 56cm 
 Rivendell Sam Hillborne.  I bought it initially in December of 2009.  My 
 work situation recently changed and has me travelling to Wayne County 
 Michigan once a month, for at least a week at a time.  As an investment in 
 my own quality of life away from home, I shipped out my Hillborne, which 
 now lives in my office.  At first it seemed like exile, but now I realize 
 it's a position of honor.  Here on the west edge of the eastern time zone, 
 it stays light until 9PM or later, so there's a ton of time to get riding 
 in, and when the choices are watching TV in a hotel room or going on a 
 ride, it's been quite easy to put quite a few miles in. When you have only 
 one bike, the choice is "ride or don't ride".  There's no fretting over 
 wear-l

Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Garth]

Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 
..  https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown?




On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, extralight 
> or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>
> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the ride. 
> I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" by 
> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>
> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode like 
> bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to Big 
> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the flat 
> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>
> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I appreciate 
> the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience.  As far as 
> my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the folding Shikoro 
> 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be better, 
> but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>
> --Joyce
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, most 
>> on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.
>>
>> Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
>> rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the flats 
>> per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie from 
>> more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet for a 
>> number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
>> Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
>> the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big Apples).
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride stiff 
>>> tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, really much 
>>> preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas per 
>>> year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 
>>>
>>> Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to ride 
>>> the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting pleasure: 
>>> in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*
>>>
>>> Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
>>> usually let me get home before I had to break out the patch kit (also one 
>>> for each bike); plus of course top quality pumps. Again, each to his own; 
>>> this was my own.
>>>
>>> * For me, an unscientific but still empirical division at about 45 or 50 
>>> psi.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>
 Should I feel bad about my 780g Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard tires?  
 Sure keeps the flats away when riding on the street. 

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