Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[sam . perez . 2002]

Inspiring 

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 AM, greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow! Amazing loop! thanks for sharing! You mention bears and cougars, do you 
> ever carry bear spray? 
> Scott
> 
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:02:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Very pretty photos. One of my favorite kinds of riding is dirt or gravel 
>> roads or trails that are not technical, just like those you show. I live 
>> close to a lot of them, but ours are sandy; tossup whether I'd prefer sand 
>> or mud. 
>> 
>> This moves me to resolve to explore more of our trails north of where I 
>> live, and spend half a day doing that, sometime soon!
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, and 
>>> today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town here 
>>> in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of trails 
>>> on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or hiking 
>>> trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only extended 
>>> stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as well as the 
>>> only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this region. 
>>> 
>>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell service 
>>> behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you down a 
>>> steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among friends 
>>> here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard to 
>>> access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
>>> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
>>> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 10km 
>>> back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep downhill 
>>> connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>>> lichen covered trees. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>>> the rest of the evening! 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Brian Carbajal]

To mirror some comments about a range finder, I think this may also be a 
good route for a beginner. There is a nice discipline in framing up with a 
range finder. It feels more "real" than using an SLR. Not to say one is 
better than the other, but I firmly believe think that using a rangefinder 
forced me to make better compositions. My first camera was a digital SLR 
and I vividly remember being more concerned with focus, and bokeh– the 
really "cool" stuff that comes with using an SLR. 

My freshman year of college I took a film photography course and purchased 
a Yaschia Lynx 14e. It has a f1.4 45mm lens. I took some of my favorite 
photos on that camera... it only cost me like $15. It had a broken light 
meter and some light leak issues. I already had some experience under my 
belt so I could expose by eye and just used gaff tape to seal up the back 
of the camera. Yashica also makes a camera called the electro... not sure 
if its full manual but its famously known as the camera Peter Parker uses. 
Yashica just down right made some great user friendly cameras back in the 
day. Great optics too. Fast forward 5 years I'm in the Leica system... 
currently using a Leica Q but had I an M10-P for some time. Looking back I 
took much better compositions on the M10-P.. I attribute that to the 
rangefinder. Everyone is different though. 

Just to add a further SLR recommendation: another great SLR from Japan is 
the Mamiya Sekor 1000 dtl. Pair it with a 35 or 50 and its a workhorse. 
Minolta's 70/80s offerings are great too. Lots of choice– can't really go 
wrong with anything TBH. Just put some quality film in any camera and it 
will look good. 

I'm sure you've considered digital but another great option is a used Canon 
t3i with a 24mm Pancake lens. This system is dirt cheap now and holds up 
years later. There is a lot of discipline and magic in film, but she will 
also learn a lot by needing to edit her photos... and the investment to buy 
film, develop, scan, etc is removed from the equation. Again, can't go 
wrong at all. The only problem you have on your hands is a plethora of 
choice. 

Also OP, 
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but look on facebook groups to 
see what's out there for sale. Plenty of film camera groups to 
buy/sell/trade. Much more reliable than ebay sellers as most sellers are 
not photographers or enthusiasts. Just thrift shop flippers. 


On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And thanks for the links and information!
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Owner says 120 and so does:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mikeeckman.com/2015/08/kodak-no-1-autographic-special-model-a-1916/
>>
>> Apparently they made other "special" models that took 116 mm film.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:16 PM Shawn Granton  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 120 mm film, and the OP says he used it, albeit long ago, to dip his 
 feet into photography. He has no reason to believe it no longer works.

 Patrick-
>>>
>>> Everything online about this camera says it uses 116 film, not 120. They 
>>> are similar, but not the same. Has this person used 120 film in it? Maybe 
>>> it was modified at some point, or it's actually a different camera than 
>>> described? Unfortunately, I can't tell you these things, I can only say 
>>> that it's not the type of camera I was referring to. If you want that, 
>>> check this out:
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1312&_nkw=minolta+himatic+7s&_sacat=0
>>>
>>> I can make a list of some other fixed-lens rangefinders worth checking 
>>> out, if you want.
>>>
>>> And there are ways to spool 120 film onto 116:
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/193259971118?chn=ps=493629870421=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=493629870421_193259971118=1262779892129=c=pla=9061079==11614425326=125167414711=pla-1262779892129=9300456=114697619=Cj0KCQjw16KFBhCgARIsALB0g8K5GdmgfAIcdT1p6GX8CVSgeiN3Md70V_GmZ43pcWBfjxqc4rPsh1YaAvqAEALw_wcB
>>>   
>>> 
>>>
>>> If you do want to use the camera your friend wants to give you, note 
>>> that it won't have any focusing aid, so you'll need to guess distance. Some 
>>> folks are okay with that, others not. Also, it will not have a meter so 
>>> you'll need an external meter or use the Sunny 16 rule. Here's a recent 
>>> blogpost from someone detailing their use of a similar type of camera:
>>>
>>> https://alysvintagecameraalley.com/2021/05/21/zeiss-ikon-nettar-515-medium-format-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Shawn
>>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

"Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is not 
a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete" (how's 
that for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe."

Right?? I literally caught my breath at this one:

"The drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and 
sweep way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats."

I could immediately and vividly see it in my mind's eye and thought to 
myself HOW DID SHE THINK OF THAT??

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is not 
> a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete" (how's 
> *that* for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe.
>
> Me, I've no use or desire at all for wide bars with great sweepback; I 
> always cut non-drop bars down to be comfortable. But I do know the feeling 
> of being able to hold on to the ends of the bar to stand (or sit) and 
> torque hard for hills or, around here, sand patches -- I have just now, 
> after months, put the final perfecting adjustment touches to my flipped and 
> ruthlessly cut down MAP/Ahearne bar (9 cm stem) (moved the Shimano 600 
> levers about 3/4" further toward the (severely trimmed) ends of the bar, so 
> I can brake with 1 or 2 fingers from the Ergon grips but still wrap fingers 
> around lever bodies for a forward, more inclined riding position.
>
> Photos, please.
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:42 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> It has been unbelievably windy here in Vegas. My Billie Bars arrived 
>> yesterday afternoon and I got them installed right away (which I documented 
>> in a minimally helpful, mostly satirical video on Instagram). But, it was 
>> too windy to ride. The weather still wasn’t cooperating today, but the 
>> winds died down enough to let me out for a quick 10 miles with my new 
>> Billie Bars. I wish I had more time and miles with them, but in the 
>> interest of people trying to choose bars and stem for their new Platys in a 
>> hurry, I’ll give you my unvarnished opinion.
>>
>> The 9 cm stem is going to be just fine, I think. There is enough of a 
>> reach that I don’t feel cramped in the cockpit (oh, how I hate the term for 
>> bikes). The Bosco Bars make a statement, like antlers, like a crown. The 
>> drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and sweep 
>> way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats. That was the first 
>> appreciable difference I noted between the bars - the Billie is flatter and 
>> has less reach-back. Understated compared to the dramatic Bosco. But the 
>> Billie is regal in its own way, too - those curves on either side of the 
>> clamp are lovely. To use imagery from nature:  the Boscos are a buck with 
>> an impressive rack, the Billies are a bird taking flight. 
>>
>> So, what about the width of those flared 58 cm Billie Bars? Sisters, I 
>> know we were worried. We said, “They made those wide bars for full-grown, 
>> broad-shouldered men and what about us?” But I have good news - I think 
>> you’ll like that flare! It’s not too wide, and I think it is more ergonomic 
>> the way your wrists meet those bar ends. 
>>
>> Climbing. I love Boscos, but I really do think I had too short of a stem 
>> for them. I think 11cm would be the ticket and I have a 9. I hated climbing 
>> with my Boscos because they came back too far and it was awkward. I rarely 
>> stood on my pedals because the bar ends came back to my hips. Ever ridden 
>> your bike uphill with your hands behind your hips?! Also, I am a bar 
>> puller. I pull hard on handlebars when I am really exerting effort to climb 
>> a hill or to go fast and it was too cramped with the Boscos and a 9 cm 
>> stem. I would get a sharp pain in my right wrist that would actually make 
>> me gasp. But not tonight. I can yank those bars all I want - when I’m 
>> starting from a dead stop, or climbing a hill or racing around on the flats 
>> below the mountain and NO wrist pain.
>>
>> I did raise my stem another 1/2 inch to make up for the flattish posture 
>> of the Billies. It was kind of nostalgic because Albatross was the bar on 
>> my first Riv, my Betty Foy. I’m sure I’ll make further adjustments, but 
>> those will come with miles. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS- 2003 Riv Custom- Curt Goodrich- yes, Patrick Moores'.

[Patrick Moore]

One more addendum, regarding frame sizing. I am 5'10" but with an Asian
build; if my torso were combined with Anglo legs, I'd be over 6' tall. My
arms like my legs are shorter than the average Anglo's of my height.

The exact right road bike size for me in level top tube frames is 60 X 56
or 57 c-c; this Curt frame matches that with a (3*?) upsloping tt.

Talking (and Singing) of the Nordic Man by Hilaire Belloc
I

Behold, my child, the Nordic man,
And be as like him, as you can;
His legs are long, his mind is slow,
His hair is lank and made of tow.

II

And here we have the Alpine Race:
Oh! What a broad and foolish face!
His skin is of a dirty yellow.
He is a most unpleasant fellow.

III

The most degraded of them all
Mediterranean we call.
His hair is crisp, and even curls,
And he is saucy with the girls.
[Note: Belloc is mocking very popular and very common late 19th or very
early 20th century neo-Darwinist eugenic ideologies of racial superiority.]

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:36 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Note: Primer on bottom front of rear dropouts is my doing. Chauncey
> sourced extra-long dropouts from England, but I cut off 1/4" from the
> bottom forward ends to ease axle entry/egress, primered the metal, but
> never got around to a finish coat. For ss use the remaining slots will
> accommodate at least 4 teeth if not 5, assuming that your small cog puts
> the axle close to the end of the dropouts.
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:31 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry Tom didn't in the end like the Curt as well as I eventually
>> ended up liking the Monocog he sent me in trade.
>>
>> Note that the level tt effective length is 57 or perhaps 56.5. Also, the
>> Matthews replacement fork (made for Matthews 2:1) will accommodate 42 mm
>> tires, and perhaps a bit wider, but won't accommodate 42s and fenders as it
>> was supposed to do.
>>
>> The powdercoat is really first rate and worthy to replace the Joe Bell
>> original paint.
>>
>> Integrated f and rear racks and internal light wiring.
>>
>> I would *not* set up Kojaks tubeless. I did that briefly but it was only
>> air pressure holding the beads to the rims. But Kojaks ride well with
>> tubes; they were my tire of choice after I decided that 26 X 1.25 Paselas
>> just flatted too often (tho' Orange Seal regular formula in the Paselas'
>> tubes will solve most puncture problems). Note taht at least with the
>> Matthews fork and just possibly with the original fork you can use the
>> superlative 42 mm RH Naches Pass. And of course you can without any
>> restrictions at all use the also superlative 28 mm Elk Pass, with fenders.
>>
>> Curt Goodrich's workmanship is stellar, and the modifications by Dave
>> Porter and Chauncey Matthews are well done, too.
>>
>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:02 PM Tom Palmer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I traded Patricks' current Monocog for this custom frame, forks, racks
>>> and fenders. It took a while to get built and after riding, it is just too
>>> big. My plans were for a touring bike since the custom racks are wonderful-
>>> stiff and light. Patrick had it fixed gear and I have fixed gears and
>>> single speeds, but with touring in mind, I geared it with a not too hideous
>>> claw mount and Suntour derailler. the frame is 57cm CtoC seat tube and 56cm
>>> CtoC top tube. I am unsure of the frame angles. A lot of info on this frame
>>> can be found by searching to archives for "03 Curt". Comes with 2 forks-
>>> original for caliper brakes and custom Patrick had made with cantilevers
>>> or V brakes. nitto Technomic stem and Noodle Bars with Cane creek levers.
>>> Suntour  power ratchet stem shifters shifting rear only- never had front
>>> derailler. I rarely shift the front and would kick down to smaller ring
>>> with foot if needed. I think grant calls it the stick method.  Triple front
>>> crankset, Sugino XD with 50,42, 30 rings. I rode it in the 42 and never
>>> needed a lower gear. I did not ride it a ton, being too stretched out but
>>> tried it over a few different routes, one with a lot of hills. Rides good
>>> loaded, the racks are great. The rear cluster is 7 speed, fairly wide,
>>> 13-32 I believe. brakes are Tektro 559 front and Shimano 600 rear. Hammered
>>> fender installed on rear now, with cutout section to clear brake for max
>>> tire clearance. It also includes a set of new VO smooth metal fenders- not
>>> sure what, but I can check it you wish.  Wheels are early 90's MTB from a
>>> bridgestone MB-3. Rear spacing is 130mm. New 26x1.35 Kojaks measure 36mm on
>>> these wideish rims. my plan was to set the Kojaks up Tubeless as Patick had
>>> in the past. Patrick had the frame and forks powder coated and it looks
>>> good.  The bike rides well, I wish it fit me better. I tried it with
>>> Albatross bars also and it fit much better for riding, but the standover is
>>> still too high for touring for me. I even prefer a mixte for touring.
>>> I have $850 into it considering the Monocog trade and new 

Re: [RBW] FS- 2003 Riv Custom- Curt Goodrich- yes, Patrick Moores'.

[Patrick Moore]

Note: Primer on bottom front of rear dropouts is my doing. Chauncey sourced
extra-long dropouts from England, but I cut off 1/4" from the bottom
forward ends to ease axle entry/egress, primered the metal, but never got
around to a finish coat. For ss use the remaining slots will accommodate at
least 4 teeth if not 5, assuming that your small cog puts the axle close to
the end of the dropouts.

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:31 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm sorry Tom didn't in the end like the Curt as well as I eventually
> ended up liking the Monocog he sent me in trade.
>
> Note that the level tt effective length is 57 or perhaps 56.5. Also, the
> Matthews replacement fork (made for Matthews 2:1) will accommodate 42 mm
> tires, and perhaps a bit wider, but won't accommodate 42s and fenders as it
> was supposed to do.
>
> The powdercoat is really first rate and worthy to replace the Joe Bell
> original paint.
>
> Integrated f and rear racks and internal light wiring.
>
> I would *not* set up Kojaks tubeless. I did that briefly but it was only
> air pressure holding the beads to the rims. But Kojaks ride well with
> tubes; they were my tire of choice after I decided that 26 X 1.25 Paselas
> just flatted too often (tho' Orange Seal regular formula in the Paselas'
> tubes will solve most puncture problems). Note taht at least with the
> Matthews fork and just possibly with the original fork you can use the
> superlative 42 mm RH Naches Pass. And of course you can without any
> restrictions at all use the also superlative 28 mm Elk Pass, with fenders.
>
> Curt Goodrich's workmanship is stellar, and the modifications by Dave
> Porter and Chauncey Matthews are well done, too.
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:02 PM Tom Palmer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I traded Patricks' current Monocog for this custom frame, forks, racks
>> and fenders. It took a while to get built and after riding, it is just too
>> big. My plans were for a touring bike since the custom racks are wonderful-
>> stiff and light. Patrick had it fixed gear and I have fixed gears and
>> single speeds, but with touring in mind, I geared it with a not too hideous
>> claw mount and Suntour derailler. the frame is 57cm CtoC seat tube and 56cm
>> CtoC top tube. I am unsure of the frame angles. A lot of info on this frame
>> can be found by searching to archives for "03 Curt". Comes with 2 forks-
>> original for caliper brakes and custom Patrick had made with cantilevers
>> or V brakes. nitto Technomic stem and Noodle Bars with Cane creek levers.
>> Suntour  power ratchet stem shifters shifting rear only- never had front
>> derailler. I rarely shift the front and would kick down to smaller ring
>> with foot if needed. I think grant calls it the stick method.  Triple front
>> crankset, Sugino XD with 50,42, 30 rings. I rode it in the 42 and never
>> needed a lower gear. I did not ride it a ton, being too stretched out but
>> tried it over a few different routes, one with a lot of hills. Rides good
>> loaded, the racks are great. The rear cluster is 7 speed, fairly wide,
>> 13-32 I believe. brakes are Tektro 559 front and Shimano 600 rear. Hammered
>> fender installed on rear now, with cutout section to clear brake for max
>> tire clearance. It also includes a set of new VO smooth metal fenders- not
>> sure what, but I can check it you wish.  Wheels are early 90's MTB from a
>> bridgestone MB-3. Rear spacing is 130mm. New 26x1.35 Kojaks measure 36mm on
>> these wideish rims. my plan was to set the Kojaks up Tubeless as Patick had
>> in the past. Patrick had the frame and forks powder coated and it looks
>> good.  The bike rides well, I wish it fit me better. I tried it with
>> Albatross bars also and it fit much better for riding, but the standover is
>> still too high for touring for me. I even prefer a mixte for touring.
>> I have $850 into it considering the Monocog trade and new parts and that
>> is what I am asking plus actual shipping to the group.
>> I am attaching a cou, bu thave a lot I can text to you. My number is
>> 231-206-5 three zero 3.
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] FS- 2003 Riv Custom- Curt Goodrich- yes, Patrick Moores'.

[Patrick Moore]

I'm sorry Tom didn't in the end like the Curt as well as I eventually ended
up liking the Monocog he sent me in trade.

Note that the level tt effective length is 57 or perhaps 56.5. Also, the
Matthews replacement fork (made for Matthews 2:1) will accommodate 42 mm
tires, and perhaps a bit wider, but won't accommodate 42s and fenders as it
was supposed to do.

The powdercoat is really first rate and worthy to replace the Joe Bell
original paint.

Integrated f and rear racks and internal light wiring.

I would *not* set up Kojaks tubeless. I did that briefly but it was only
air pressure holding the beads to the rims. But Kojaks ride well with
tubes; they were my tire of choice after I decided that 26 X 1.25 Paselas
just flatted too often (tho' Orange Seal regular formula in the Paselas'
tubes will solve most puncture problems). Note taht at least with the
Matthews fork and just possibly with the original fork you can use the
superlative 42 mm RH Naches Pass. And of course you can without any
restrictions at all use the also superlative 28 mm Elk Pass, with fenders.

Curt Goodrich's workmanship is stellar, and the modifications by Dave
Porter and Chauncey Matthews are well done, too.

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:02 PM Tom Palmer  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I traded Patricks' current Monocog for this custom frame, forks, racks and
> fenders. It took a while to get built and after riding, it is just too big.
> My plans were for a touring bike since the custom racks are wonderful-
> stiff and light. Patrick had it fixed gear and I have fixed gears and
> single speeds, but with touring in mind, I geared it with a not too hideous
> claw mount and Suntour derailler. the frame is 57cm CtoC seat tube and 56cm
> CtoC top tube. I am unsure of the frame angles. A lot of info on this frame
> can be found by searching to archives for "03 Curt". Comes with 2 forks-
> original for caliper brakes and custom Patrick had made with cantilevers
> or V brakes. nitto Technomic stem and Noodle Bars with Cane creek levers.
> Suntour  power ratchet stem shifters shifting rear only- never had front
> derailler. I rarely shift the front and would kick down to smaller ring
> with foot if needed. I think grant calls it the stick method.  Triple front
> crankset, Sugino XD with 50,42, 30 rings. I rode it in the 42 and never
> needed a lower gear. I did not ride it a ton, being too stretched out but
> tried it over a few different routes, one with a lot of hills. Rides good
> loaded, the racks are great. The rear cluster is 7 speed, fairly wide,
> 13-32 I believe. brakes are Tektro 559 front and Shimano 600 rear. Hammered
> fender installed on rear now, with cutout section to clear brake for max
> tire clearance. It also includes a set of new VO smooth metal fenders- not
> sure what, but I can check it you wish.  Wheels are early 90's MTB from a
> bridgestone MB-3. Rear spacing is 130mm. New 26x1.35 Kojaks measure 36mm on
> these wideish rims. my plan was to set the Kojaks up Tubeless as Patick had
> in the past. Patrick had the frame and forks powder coated and it looks
> good.  The bike rides well, I wish it fit me better. I tried it with
> Albatross bars also and it fit much better for riding, but the standover is
> still too high for touring for me. I even prefer a mixte for touring.
> I have $850 into it considering the Monocog trade and new parts and that
> is what I am asking plus actual shipping to the group.
> I am attaching a cou, bu thave a lot I can text to you. My number is
> 231-206-5 three zero 3.
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
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Re: [RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

And thanks for the links and information!

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Owner says 120 and so does:
>
>
> https://www.mikeeckman.com/2015/08/kodak-no-1-autographic-special-model-a-1916/
>
> Apparently they made other "special" models that took 116 mm film.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:16 PM Shawn Granton <
> urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:05 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 120 mm film, and the OP says he used it, albeit long ago, to dip his
>>> feet into photography. He has no reason to believe it no longer works.
>>>
>>> Patrick-
>>
>> Everything online about this camera says it uses 116 film, not 120. They
>> are similar, but not the same. Has this person used 120 film in it? Maybe
>> it was modified at some point, or it's actually a different camera than
>> described? Unfortunately, I can't tell you these things, I can only say
>> that it's not the type of camera I was referring to. If you want that,
>> check this out:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1312&_nkw=minolta+himatic+7s&_sacat=0
>>
>> I can make a list of some other fixed-lens rangefinders worth checking
>> out, if you want.
>>
>> And there are ways to spool 120 film onto 116:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/193259971118?chn=ps=493629870421=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=493629870421_193259971118=1262779892129=c=pla=9061079==11614425326=125167414711=pla-1262779892129=9300456=114697619=Cj0KCQjw16KFBhCgARIsALB0g8K5GdmgfAIcdT1p6GX8CVSgeiN3Md70V_GmZ43pcWBfjxqc4rPsh1YaAvqAEALw_wcB
>> 
>>
>> If you do want to use the camera your friend wants to give you, note that
>> it won't have any focusing aid, so you'll need to guess distance. Some
>> folks are okay with that, others not. Also, it will not have a meter so
>> you'll need an external meter or use the Sunny 16 rule. Here's a recent
>> blogpost from someone detailing their use of a similar type of camera:
>>
>> https://alysvintagecameraalley.com/2021/05/21/zeiss-ikon-nettar-515-medium-format-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/
>>
>> Best,
>> Shawn
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Re: [RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

Owner says 120 and so does:

https://www.mikeeckman.com/2015/08/kodak-no-1-autographic-special-model-a-1916/

Apparently they made other "special" models that took 116 mm film.



On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:16 PM Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> 120 mm film, and the OP says he used it, albeit long ago, to dip his feet
>> into photography. He has no reason to believe it no longer works.
>>
>> Patrick-
>
> Everything online about this camera says it uses 116 film, not 120. They
> are similar, but not the same. Has this person used 120 film in it? Maybe
> it was modified at some point, or it's actually a different camera than
> described? Unfortunately, I can't tell you these things, I can only say
> that it's not the type of camera I was referring to. If you want that,
> check this out:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1312&_nkw=minolta+himatic+7s&_sacat=0
>
> I can make a list of some other fixed-lens rangefinders worth checking
> out, if you want.
>
> And there are ways to spool 120 film onto 116:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/193259971118?chn=ps=493629870421=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=493629870421_193259971118=1262779892129=c=pla=9061079==11614425326=125167414711=pla-1262779892129=9300456=114697619=Cj0KCQjw16KFBhCgARIsALB0g8K5GdmgfAIcdT1p6GX8CVSgeiN3Md70V_GmZ43pcWBfjxqc4rPsh1YaAvqAEALw_wcB
> 
>
> If you do want to use the camera your friend wants to give you, note that
> it won't have any focusing aid, so you'll need to guess distance. Some
> folks are okay with that, others not. Also, it will not have a meter so
> you'll need an external meter or use the Sunny 16 rule. Here's a recent
> blogpost from someone detailing their use of a similar type of camera:
>
> https://alysvintagecameraalley.com/2021/05/21/zeiss-ikon-nettar-515-medium-format-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/
>
> Best,
> Shawn
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Patrick Moore]

Another tangential remark: Riding with hands at your hips is the standard
position with the Raleigh DL-1 and clones and omafietses. I still don't
understand it.

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is not
> a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete" (how's
> *that* for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe.
>
> Me, I've no use or desire at all for wide bars with great sweepback; I
> always cut non-drop bars down to be comfortable. But I do know the feeling
> of being able to hold on to the ends of the bar to stand (or sit) and
> torque hard for hills or, around here, sand patches -- I have just now,
> after months, put the final perfecting adjustment touches to my flipped and
> ruthlessly cut down MAP/Ahearne bar (9 cm stem) (moved the Shimano 600
> levers about 3/4" further toward the (severely trimmed) ends of the bar, so
> I can brake with 1 or 2 fingers from the Ergon grips but still wrap fingers
> around lever bodies for a forward, more inclined riding position.
>
> Photos, please.
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:42 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> It has been unbelievably windy here in Vegas. My Billie Bars arrived
>> yesterday afternoon and I got them installed right away (which I documented
>> in a minimally helpful, mostly satirical video on Instagram). But, it was
>> too windy to ride. The weather still wasn’t cooperating today, but the
>> winds died down enough to let me out for a quick 10 miles with my new
>> Billie Bars. I wish I had more time and miles with them, but in the
>> interest of people trying to choose bars and stem for their new Platys in a
>> hurry, I’ll give you my unvarnished opinion.
>>
>> The 9 cm stem is going to be just fine, I think. There is enough of a
>> reach that I don’t feel cramped in the cockpit (oh, how I hate the term for
>> bikes). The Bosco Bars make a statement, like antlers, like a crown. The
>> drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and sweep
>> way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats. That was the first
>> appreciable difference I noted between the bars - the Billie is flatter and
>> has less reach-back. Understated compared to the dramatic Bosco. But the
>> Billie is regal in its own way, too - those curves on either side of the
>> clamp are lovely. To use imagery from nature:  the Boscos are a buck with
>> an impressive rack, the Billies are a bird taking flight.
>>
>> So, what about the width of those flared 58 cm Billie Bars? Sisters, I
>> know we were worried. We said, “They made those wide bars for full-grown,
>> broad-shouldered men and what about us?” But I have good news - I think
>> you’ll like that flare! It’s not too wide, and I think it is more ergonomic
>> the way your wrists meet those bar ends.
>>
>> Climbing. I love Boscos, but I really do think I had too short of a stem
>> for them. I think 11cm would be the ticket and I have a 9. I hated climbing
>> with my Boscos because they came back too far and it was awkward. I rarely
>> stood on my pedals because the bar ends came back to my hips. Ever ridden
>> your bike uphill with your hands behind your hips?! Also, I am a bar
>> puller. I pull hard on handlebars when I am really exerting effort to climb
>> a hill or to go fast and it was too cramped with the Boscos and a 9 cm
>> stem. I would get a sharp pain in my right wrist that would actually make
>> me gasp. But not tonight. I can yank those bars all I want - when I’m
>> starting from a dead stop, or climbing a hill or racing around on the flats
>> below the mountain and NO wrist pain.
>>
>> I did raise my stem another 1/2 inch to make up for the flattish posture
>> of the Billies. It was kind of nostalgic because Albatross was the bar on
>> my first Riv, my Betty Foy. I’m sure I’ll make further adjustments, but
>> those will come with miles.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Shawn Granton]

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 120 mm film, and the OP says he used it, albeit long ago, to dip his feet
> into photography. He has no reason to believe it no longer works.
>
> Patrick-

Everything online about this camera says it uses 116 film, not 120. They
are similar, but not the same. Has this person used 120 film in it? Maybe
it was modified at some point, or it's actually a different camera than
described? Unfortunately, I can't tell you these things, I can only say
that it's not the type of camera I was referring to. If you want that,
check this out:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1312&_nkw=minolta+himatic+7s&_sacat=0

I can make a list of some other fixed-lens rangefinders worth checking out,
if you want.

And there are ways to spool 120 film onto 116:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193259971118?chn=ps=493629870421=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=493629870421_193259971118=1262779892129=c=pla=9061079==11614425326=125167414711=pla-1262779892129=9300456=114697619=Cj0KCQjw16KFBhCgARIsALB0g8K5GdmgfAIcdT1p6GX8CVSgeiN3Md70V_GmZ43pcWBfjxqc4rPsh1YaAvqAEALw_wcB


If you do want to use the camera your friend wants to give you, note that
it won't have any focusing aid, so you'll need to guess distance. Some
folks are okay with that, others not. Also, it will not have a meter so
you'll need an external meter or use the Sunny 16 rule. Here's a recent
blogpost from someone detailing their use of a similar type of camera:
https://alysvintagecameraalley.com/2021/05/21/zeiss-ikon-nettar-515-medium-format-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/

Best,
Shawn

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Patrick Moore]

Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is not
a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete" (how's
*that* for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe.

Me, I've no use or desire at all for wide bars with great sweepback; I
always cut non-drop bars down to be comfortable. But I do know the feeling
of being able to hold on to the ends of the bar to stand (or sit) and
torque hard for hills or, around here, sand patches -- I have just now,
after months, put the final perfecting adjustment touches to my flipped and
ruthlessly cut down MAP/Ahearne bar (9 cm stem) (moved the Shimano 600
levers about 3/4" further toward the (severely trimmed) ends of the bar, so
I can brake with 1 or 2 fingers from the Ergon grips but still wrap fingers
around lever bodies for a forward, more inclined riding position.

Photos, please.

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:42 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> It has been unbelievably windy here in Vegas. My Billie Bars arrived
> yesterday afternoon and I got them installed right away (which I documented
> in a minimally helpful, mostly satirical video on Instagram). But, it was
> too windy to ride. The weather still wasn’t cooperating today, but the
> winds died down enough to let me out for a quick 10 miles with my new
> Billie Bars. I wish I had more time and miles with them, but in the
> interest of people trying to choose bars and stem for their new Platys in a
> hurry, I’ll give you my unvarnished opinion.
>
> The 9 cm stem is going to be just fine, I think. There is enough of a
> reach that I don’t feel cramped in the cockpit (oh, how I hate the term for
> bikes). The Bosco Bars make a statement, like antlers, like a crown. The
> drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and sweep
> way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats. That was the first
> appreciable difference I noted between the bars - the Billie is flatter and
> has less reach-back. Understated compared to the dramatic Bosco. But the
> Billie is regal in its own way, too - those curves on either side of the
> clamp are lovely. To use imagery from nature:  the Boscos are a buck with
> an impressive rack, the Billies are a bird taking flight.
>
> So, what about the width of those flared 58 cm Billie Bars? Sisters, I
> know we were worried. We said, “They made those wide bars for full-grown,
> broad-shouldered men and what about us?” But I have good news - I think
> you’ll like that flare! It’s not too wide, and I think it is more ergonomic
> the way your wrists meet those bar ends.
>
> Climbing. I love Boscos, but I really do think I had too short of a stem
> for them. I think 11cm would be the ticket and I have a 9. I hated climbing
> with my Boscos because they came back too far and it was awkward. I rarely
> stood on my pedals because the bar ends came back to my hips. Ever ridden
> your bike uphill with your hands behind your hips?! Also, I am a bar
> puller. I pull hard on handlebars when I am really exerting effort to climb
> a hill or to go fast and it was too cramped with the Boscos and a 9 cm
> stem. I would get a sharp pain in my right wrist that would actually make
> me gasp. But not tonight. I can yank those bars all I want - when I’m
> starting from a dead stop, or climbing a hill or racing around on the flats
> below the mountain and NO wrist pain.
>
> I did raise my stem another 1/2 inch to make up for the flattish posture
> of the Billies. It was kind of nostalgic because Albatross was the bar on
> my first Riv, my Betty Foy. I’m sure I’ll make further adjustments, but
> those will come with miles.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

120 mm film, and the OP says he used it, albeit long ago, to dip his feet
into photography. He has no reason to believe it no longer works.

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:58 PM Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 5:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Shawn: Would a Kodak Model 1A Autographic be a good example of a
>> fixed-lense range finder?
>>
>> No. That looks to be a folding camera with viewfinder, not rangefinder.
> It looks cool, but even if that camera works (and we're talking a
> century-old machine), it uses 116 film, which hasn't been made in who knows
> how long. (Yes, it looks like it may be possible to respool 120 film onto
> 116, but do you want to go through the trouble?)
> If you get that camera it would most likely be a good display piece.
>
> I'd stick to what's been suggested.
>
> Best,
> Shawn
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Re: [RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Shawn Granton]

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 5:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Shawn: Would a Kodak Model 1A Autographic be a good example of a
> fixed-lense range finder?
>
> No. That looks to be a folding camera with viewfinder, not rangefinder. It
looks cool, but even if that camera works (and we're talking a century-old
machine), it uses 116 film, which hasn't been made in who knows how long.
(Yes, it looks like it may be possible to respool 120 film onto 116, but do
you want to go through the trouble?)
If you get that camera it would most likely be a good display piece.

I'd stick to what's been suggested.

Best,
Shawn

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[RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

Benz: Thanks, good point. But I gather from superficial web browsing that
50 mm lenses for the K1000 are readily and cheaply available; and if Catie
should end up wanting others, then she can get a (real) job. Or prove to
her doting father that she is very serious about film photography (so that
she'll choose a new film camera over a new iPhone).

David: Thanks for that link.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[Patrick Moore]

Shawn: Would a Kodak Model 1A Autographic be a good example of a
fixed-lense range finder? I ask because someone elsewhere has tentatively
made noises about offering me one. He did not state the age (apparently it
was made for ~11 years between 1916 and 1927, and had a number of changes
to the design over the years). I thought that, even if Catie is not
interested, it might be just the thing for me to practice on, to learn
photography basics, about which I am horribly ignorant. You can still get
120 mm film in bw and color.

Man! And this would date from that long, long ago period when the US was
still technology leader for consumer goods.

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 12:59 PM Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all-
>
> There have been some good suggestions on this thread. Let me throw in one
> more and veer off from this (mostly) SLR discussion:
>
> I'd recommend a nice fixed-lens rangefinder, most likely one from Japan
> made in the 60s and 70s. You don't get the through-the-lens viewing of an
> SLR nor the ability to change lenses. But the "lack of different lenses"
> can be an advantage, as you learn by using what you got and can't go down
> the "well, if I just had a 28mm lens" road. Rangefinder focusing is quick
> and intuitive, and pretty accurate if the rangefinder has been adjusted
> correctly.
>
> These fixed-lens rangefinders can be broken down into two broad
> categories, and yes I am generalizing:
>
>- Bigger ones that usually had a choice between full manual exposure
>and some automatic exposure options. These tend to be from the 60s
>- Smaller ones from the 70s. Many of them were automatic exposure
>only, though some did come with manual exposure override
>
> The first camera I bought when I got back into film last year was a
> Minolta Hi-Matic 7s. Introduced in 1966, it was of the bigger variety with
> choice of automatic or manual exposure. The Rokkor PF 45mm f/1.8 lens gives
> me great pictures. I got mine for under $50 plus shipping. A quick scan of
> eBay shows that it's still possible to snag one at that price, though if
> you want one that's guaranteed to work, it'd be better to get one from one
> of the sources mentioned previously in this thread.
>
> Best,
> Shawn
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[RBW] Fargos and fat tires: *how* fat?

[Patrick Moore]

How fat a tire can a modern Fargo take? I owned an earlier model, and don't
know if they have changed, but I don't think my earlier (2008?) model could.

Current specs say that Fargos except for XS* can take "29+" tires, but does
29" include true 3" or 80 mm? They don't say.

But if the modern Ti Fargo can take 3" actual tires with sufficient air
gap, it might be a very good replacement for the Monocog.

'Nother question: Would I be right in assuming that you can get a =/< 160
mm Q on a modern Fargo, particularly the ti Fargo?

* Salsa says this is to avoid toe overlap. Wimps. Whoever let toe overlap
interfere with a desired feature?

Patrick "the Matthews 1:1 has-and-I'm-not-kidding 3" of toe overlap with 80
mm fenders, but I actually do understand others' hesitation" Moore

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:12 AM EricP  wrote:

> Well, I haven't been through the number of bicycles like I have musical
> instruments, so there is not as much regret here. Possibly the one I think
> about the most was an early Salsa Fargo.  Was the bike I did my first
> century on and also my only 100 mile gravel road race (where I was the
> sweep). It could do anything. But in the end I was going away from drop
> bars and wanted something else.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma Shikoro 700c x 38mm actual size?

[Jeffery S]

Thanks!

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 1:01:30 PM UTC-6 Erik wrote:

> I can confirm that my 700c x 38mm Shikoro tires are 35mm on Velocity A23 
> rims.   I only have about 100 miles on them at this point, however.  
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7 Jeffery S wrote:
>
>>
>> Is anyone running these?
>>
>> This review (
>> https://www.cxmagazine.com/soma-fab-shikoro-road-gravel-tire-38c-panaracer) 
>> says they run a few mm under size on 17.5 ID rims, but I'm wondering if 
>> they expand with more miles on them.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Bump and price drop, $55.

On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 at 15:47:23 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Standard in honey color. Used but includes original packaging, wrench, 
> proofide. $75
> Please send PM for interest, thanks!
>
> Jeff
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[RBW] WTB: Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger 700c wheelset.

[Jan O.]

Hi All,

Looking for a set of Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger (Silver preferred) 700c 
wheels. Please PM me if you have a set available for sale.

Thank you.

Jan
San Francisco

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[RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[EricP]

I agree, that's a good article. Will mostly parrot the others here. Started 
with a Pentax K1000 and ended up with a Nikon FM before going down the 
Leica hole. 

FWIW, my suggestion would be look for a Nikon FM10 with a 50mm 1.8 series E 
lens. Inexpensive (the body is mostly plastic) but gives quality Nikon 
photos. It's also lighter than earlier metal body cameras. Now, if you 
might be dropping it, then get a metal body. But if you're careful, I don't 
see why that wouldn't work. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:34:17 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> This article may be helpful. From Blue Moon Camera’s blog in Portland, OR. 
>  
>
>
> https://bluemooncameracodex.com/technical-reviews/2018/5/17/beginner-35mm-slrs
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 1:30:46 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 7:34:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, all; I am entirely camera-ignorant, since I gave up 
>>> photography about age 11 1/2 after starting to experiment with my 
>>> mother's Brownie at about age 11 1/4. (You can verify this by the 
>>> quality of my photos onlist.) 
>>>
>>> The Olympus OM-1, Canon AE-1, and Pentax K1000 seem to be favorites. 
>>> All these have built-in light meters, no? And they seem to come up on 
>>> Amazon for =/< $200. 
>>>
>>> Upshot: I can't go wrong with any of these 3? 
>>>
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> All the cameras you've listed and others have suggested are all good 
>> choices. However, there are other equally important considerations, because 
>> you can't take images with just a camera body alone. You also need lenses, 
>> and other accessories (e.g., TTL flash). Particularly with lenses, you may 
>> see one or two particular types that are more prevalent, and cheaper, so 
>> that would be the other considerations. If you get hooked, there are also 
>> particular lenses with a distinctive "look"; I mean, there are enthusiasts 
>> who will pay quite a nice premium for lenses with good "bokeh".
>>
>> A 50mm/f1.4 is a nice start, but as the photographer progress in skill 
>> and style, you may need a 105mm/f2.5, or 35mm/f2. Or perhaps a macro for 
>> extreme closeups, and a PC lens for the folks who like architecture. Again, 
>> you want to make sure you can find the lens you want at good prices.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug H.]

Leah,
Your Billie Bar review is helpful and all points make good sense to me. I 
think I will appreciate the width and multiple hand positions as I do tend 
to move my grip around on long rides. What gearing are you using on your 
Platypus? 
Doug

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 11:42:03 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> It has been unbelievably windy here in Vegas. My Billie Bars arrived 
> yesterday afternoon and I got them installed right away (which I documented 
> in a minimally helpful, mostly satirical video on Instagram). But, it was 
> too windy to ride. The weather still wasn’t cooperating today, but the 
> winds died down enough to let me out for a quick 10 miles with my new 
> Billie Bars. I wish I had more time and miles with them, but in the 
> interest of people trying to choose bars and stem for their new Platys in a 
> hurry, I’ll give you my unvarnished opinion.
>
> The 9 cm stem is going to be just fine, I think. There is enough of a 
> reach that I don’t feel cramped in the cockpit (oh, how I hate the term for 
> bikes). The Bosco Bars make a statement, like antlers, like a crown. The 
> drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and sweep 
> way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats. That was the first 
> appreciable difference I noted between the bars - the Billie is flatter and 
> has less reach-back. Understated compared to the dramatic Bosco. But the 
> Billie is regal in its own way, too - those curves on either side of the 
> clamp are lovely. To use imagery from nature:  the Boscos are a buck with 
> an impressive rack, the Billies are a bird taking flight. 
>
> So, what about the width of those flared 58 cm Billie Bars? Sisters, I 
> know we were worried. We said, “They made those wide bars for full-grown, 
> broad-shouldered men and what about us?” But I have good news - I think 
> you’ll like that flare! It’s not too wide, and I think it is more ergonomic 
> the way your wrists meet those bar ends. 
>
> Climbing. I love Boscos, but I really do think I had too short of a stem 
> for them. I think 11cm would be the ticket and I have a 9. I hated climbing 
> with my Boscos because they came back too far and it was awkward. I rarely 
> stood on my pedals because the bar ends came back to my hips. Ever ridden 
> your bike uphill with your hands behind your hips?! Also, I am a bar 
> puller. I pull hard on handlebars when I am really exerting effort to climb 
> a hill or to go fast and it was too cramped with the Boscos and a 9 cm 
> stem. I would get a sharp pain in my right wrist that would actually make 
> me gasp. But not tonight. I can yank those bars all I want - when I’m 
> starting from a dead stop, or climbing a hill or racing around on the flats 
> below the mountain and NO wrist pain.
>
> I did raise my stem another 1/2 inch to make up for the flattish posture 
> of the Billies. It was kind of nostalgic because Albatross was the bar on 
> my first Riv, my Betty Foy. I’m sure I’ll make further adjustments, but 
> those will come with miles. 
>
> Hope that helps!
> Leah
>
> On May 19, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Bones  wrote:
>
> Leah, I think the rise is probably more important here. The Boscos rise a 
> lot more than the Billies, and are only a little bit longer from the clamp. 
> If you wanted your hands in roughly the same place, you'd probably need the 
> stem maxed out... which is why the faceplater is a good idea. Because the 
> head tube angles toward you, the more you raise the bars up, the closer to 
> you they get. Judging from the pictures you posted earlier in this thread, 
> I'm not sure you could get the Billies that high. However, they still may 
> be comfortable if they are lower but closer. I would just try them out on 
> your current stem first. You'll know right away if they are too low, too 
> close, or just not going to work at all. I didn't consider Billies for my 
> wife's bike because A) I didn't think I could get them to a comfortable 
> height and B) she is medium to small and I did not think she would be 
> comfortable with the extra width. All that said, the Billies are great 
> bars. Lots of real estate, nearly as sharp looking as the albatross, and I 
> do dig the extra width.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Bones
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:44:18 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Leah - I don't think the 90 will be too short for you, although that's 
>> based on nothing but a hunch really. The Platy's are long bikes, and my 
>> comment about needing a real long stem for Billie bars is geared more 
>> towards someone who is moving to the Billie from drop bars and is used to 
>> that really long reach they have.  In your case, coming from Boscos, you'll 
>> get more than a full fist's worth of forward grip area on the same stem, 
>> and I imagine that'll be enough.  If you find the Bosco's reach to be short 
>> even when you're just cruising along, then yeah a longer stem is probably 
>> due.  
>>
>> I am ISO 

[RBW] Re: Regrets

[EricP]

Well, I haven't been through the number of bicycles like I have musical 
instruments, so there is not as much regret here. Possibly the one I think 
about the most was an early Salsa Fargo.  Was the bike I did my first 
century on and also my only 100 mile gravel road race (where I was the 
sweep). It could do anything. But in the end I was going away from drop 
bars and wanted something else. 

But now I swing my leg through the Clem (or over the Hillborne) and am 
quite satisfied with what I have.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 7:27:29 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:

> For me: 1) An Apollo Gran Tour built with Tange 2 that fit me like a 
> glove. I hadn't considered converting to 650b at the time and passed it on 
> after I decided 28mm tires were too narrow. It was a bike I used for 
> everything when I livedi n Vancouver and am always looking for another in 
> the same size and colour. Good times.
>
> 2) A Kona Explosif. The owner wanted it out of the garage and it was very 
> cheap. Full XT and a segmented rigid fork. It rode very nicely. A work 
> aquaintance who was supporting a large family had mentioned he wanted to 
> improve his fitness and buy a bicycle, so I sold it to him for what I paid 
> for it hoping a nice bike would help him achieve his fitness goal. He did 
> not appreciate what a wonderful bike it was and basically never used it. 
> Never thanked me for helping him was even quite rude to me when I asked him 
> if he was making use of it. 
>
> 3) Giving away my old Sekine. No idea what tubeset it had, but I regularly 
> used to pass people on far nicer bikes on long climbs. It had a bit of 
> magic to it and strangely enough, was a nerd magnet. Many friendly chats 
> with strangers due to that bicycle. The new owner used it somewhat, but 
> never loved it like I did!
>
> But, despite the few regrets I am happy with the current stable. My trusty 
> Marinoni Turismo which took me to the tip of South America, a much abused 
> 1980's Rocky Mountain grocery getter/winter bike and my two rSogns which 
> get used for distance riding. I feel like the two rSogns could be slightly 
> better optimized for fit, but when I finally nail that aspect they'll be 
> close to ideal bicycles.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6 Evan E. wrote:
>
>> Univega Gran Rally circa 1986. I think the official color name was coral 
>> but it was shimmering, pearlescent pink. Chromoly frame, nice and lively, 
>> with diamond cutouts on the lugs. A tad small, so I sold it. But once in a 
>> while, when I hear "When You Were Young" on the radio, it all comes back. 
>> :)  
>>
>>

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