[RBW] Re: WTB Swift Polaris/other porteur bag

[Mackenzy Albright]

https://www.atwateratelier.com/collections/frontpage/products/porteur-chest

Atwater is a Canadian bag maker. The porteur from what I can tell is 
probably based off the polaris. I have the demi porteur version and have 
used it for many bike camping trips and love it. Having owned a swift 
saddle bag as well, I'd say quality is just as nice. 

On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 10:16:15 AM UTC-6 Esteban wrote:

> Hi. I'm looking for a (now discontinued) Swift Polaris or similar bag that 
> has the structure to sit atop a porteur rack. 
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>

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[RBW] Re: xNHAT Ride Report

[Michael Morrissey]

It sounds great! Thanks for sharing as I have never heard of this trail and 
only last month visited New Hampshire for the first time!

M 
On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 2:31:35 PM UTC-4 Gill wrote:

> Clem Smith and I recently rode the Cross New Hampshire Adventure Trail. 
> It’s a stitched together route that crosses northern NH from the 
> Connecticut River Vermont border to Bethel Maine. The trail winds 83 miles 
> along a river valley in view of, but thankfully not over, the Presidential 
> White Mountains. It combines on and off-road riding including rail trails 
> with both gravel and packed earth surfaces, double track, dirt roads and 
> paved country back roads. There are times when you feel you’re in the 
> wilderness (as when a black bear crosses the path 15 yds in front of you) 
> but there are also towns along the way in which to stop and get an ice 
> coffee and a sandwich or strike up a conversation- so it’s a nice 
> combination of solitude and civilization. Vistas in some sections are so 
> pretty you feel compelled to get off the bike and just hang out for awhile. 
> If in good shape you could put your head down and complete the ride one way 
> in a day. But lazing by the lupine, lingering over lunch in a riverside 
> brewpub, chatting up strangers along the way seems a better way to go 
> (besides my legs and especially my butt would have it no other way). I 
> bunked at two hostels one of which, Rattle River, is on the AT and a 
> popular stop for thru-hikers, who, btw, are a great group of people - fun, 
> companionable and self-effacing about the awesomeness of what they’re 
> achieving. I met a lot of nice people on this ride, it was reaffirming. 
>
>
>  I normally do short rides, 90 minutes tops, so 173 miles was a stretch. 
> Fortunately the trail area is a large watershed with ample opportunity to 
> rejuvenate tired legs in cold rivers, or if brave rejuvenate everything 
> with a skinny dip (didn’t want to get that brooks saddle wet). But what 
> really made it all easyish and enjoyable was Clem Smith being such a great 
> bike. Whatever the surface: loose, ballasted gravel, soft ATV chewed MUPs, 
> washed out dirt road sections, long paved uphills and fast downhill double 
> track, didn’t matter, Clem was even-keeled, comfortable, rugged and fun to 
> ride (shout out to the Thunder Burts as well). So, all in all a memorable 
> ride on a terrific bike through scenic country in glorious weather. 
> Sometimes things just work out. I highly recommend the xNHAT. 
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB- 2 Silver Bar End Pods (and/or Silver Shifters)

['Will Horton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I also have several sets of the shimano bar end pods if you or anyone else 
needs em


On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 11:50:18 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mindful of that protruberance, Mr. Lindsay! 
>
>  [image: Screen Shot 2021-07-02 at 2.49.13 PM.png]
>
> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 8:52:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I have a couple sets of Shimano Pods, and a new pair of Silver Shifters.  
>> The Shimano pods have a small bump-out on the square protruberance that 
>> serves as a guide when assembling in an all-Shimano setup.  That bump out 
>> gets in the way with a Silver setup, but it's not difficult to scrub that 
>> off.  
>>
>> Let me know if you want any of those bits, including if you want me to do 
>> the work to get you a complete working set of Silver shifters on Shimano 
>> pods.  
>>
>> Silver shifters would have retailed at $35 each and pods would have 
>> retailed at $28 each.  I can provide you with a complete Silver-on-Shimano 
>> setup for $80 shipped.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 8:06:05 AM UTC-7 michaels...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Looking for the Silver bar-end pods mainly since they don't have them 
>>> currently in stock. However, if you already have some set up with shifters 
>>> let me know if you would be willing to part with them. Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Anyone know what this is?

[RichS]

Shout out to John at Columbine. Late May I ordered two chain hangars. When 
the hangars didn't show after two weeks or so I e-mailed Columbine. 
Apparently my order went into a spam folder. Just received not two but 
three hangars. Riv style customer service:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 4:17:18 AM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Although you really should shift into the small cog before trying to rest 
> that chain (as I was reminded this afternoon when I did a quixotic wheel 
> swap to avoid having a blowout on my rear tire on a trip to downtown 
> Oakland to pay my water bill). If the chain isn't lined up with the inside 
> of the seat stay, said chain may pop right back off.
>
> PeterAdler
> who saw  Panaracer's red anti-puncture belt visible through large areas of 
> the tread on one of the few tires he's actually ridden to pieces, and 
> finally faced up to reality in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 7:40:34 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> It's a chain rest. I've had chain rests, though much simpler in design, 
>> added to my customs, though much higher on the stay because the frames are 
>> designed for single cogs. Very helpful when removing the wheel on sandy 
>> verges.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 7:35 AM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just picked up a Saluki and it has this odd thing attached to the 
>>> frame. I have no idea what it is? Some sort of device to hold the chain for 
>>> some reason? Anyone see anything like this before? 
>>>
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[RBW] WTB Swift Polaris/other porteur bag

[Esteban]

Hi. I'm looking for a (now discontinued) Swift Polaris or similar bag that 
has the structure to sit atop a porteur rack. 

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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Re: [RBW] Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[lconley]

I have been explaining about what ridiculous prices I paid for a bike since 
1972 when I paid $250 for a used Gitane Tour de France (lugged Reynolds 531 
frame with Campagnolo hubs and derailleurs and included a set of Rivat 
cycling shoes that actually fit and had Vittoria silk sew-ups). This was 
when a Schwinn Varsity Sport 10 speed was less than $80.

Laing

On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 9:48:35 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nobody has asked…I don’t really have any friends who know enough about 
> bikes to know what they’re looking at (but they do appreciate the Atlantis 
> color and the Russian sub backstory). 
>
> But…I’d happily let anyone know how long I wanted a Riv, how I saved up 
> from my part-time job for almost a year to pay for it without charging it. 
> It’s been one of the best experiences of my life, hands down…from deciding 
> to do it, from the first time I called Riv and talked to Vince, to the day 
> it came and I assembled it (after watching the YouTube video of Mark 
> assembling a packed bike every morning for a month!). 
>
> So if anyone balks at the price, I’m guessing after I explain all of the 
> above they’ll either be excited for me or will change the subject to get me 
> to shut up.
>
> Ben
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
>
> Take them to a bike shop. Most people are out of touch relative to the 
> cost of a modern bicycle. I have found that most folks seem to equate 
> bicyles with childrens toys and as such, interact with them mos;ty in big 
> box store toy departments. 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 6:39:56 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I typically find that the critics are the same people who eat out 3 times 
>> a week & a buy a new car every 2 years. $,3500? You know, same as you lost 
>> in depreciation when you drove off the dealer lot last week!
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 5:16:25 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I'd likely shrug my shoulders and smile.
>>>
>>> I put myself in the "other" shoes, so to speak. From that position, 
>>> fully aware of the comedic situation I apparently now find myself playing 
>>> "both".I "return" to where I never left. 
>>>
>>> So where's the offense, the call for justice, equality and such ?
>>>
>>> Nowhere.
>>>
>>> Now what ? 
>>>
>>> I shrug my shoulders and laugh, smile . 
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 1:22:41 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 If I have to explain you better be married to me. Otherwise we're not 
 discussing the price of my bicycle. 



 On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> I like the line I heard from my friends who built and rode motorcycles:
>
> "If I have to explain, you'd never understand."
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Kushan  wrote:
>
> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
> value than the bike). 
>
> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and 
> can afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family 
> who 
> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and 
> that 
> I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new 
> one 
> arrives.
>
> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
>
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[RBW] Re: Cerdan Crankset

[Doug H.]

How many inventions went through iterations until something new and 
improved was accepted by the masses though? This particular design may not 
be accepted or even particularly functional but I like the ingenuity of the 
inventor. The process of invention is more like evolution than creation in 
many cases.
Doug

On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 8:33:20 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Well, "the dead zone" also has more distinct margins on stiffer frames. 
> Maybe if M. Cerdan had a more supple frame he would find that its recoil 
> from deflection during his input power zone there would be less of a "dead 
> zone" if any. 
>
> Instead of inventing something without measure of an existing need, I just 
> saved and bought a frame and fork that fit me well and complimented my 
> riding. No risk, comparatively, but lacks the opportunities for preening 
> and self adulation.
>
> The video of the functioning prototype (no leads or links for buying) has 
> a rider on a large diameter aluminum MTB on road tires with an aero clip on 
> handlebar handle. If trying to focus on your improvement to cycling, 
> perhaps optimize all the other cheaper things to improve the experience. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 2:56:06 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> "*if you’re a keen cyclist 
>> , you probably know the 
>> difficulty of the so-called ‘dead zone’ when pedaling."*
>>
>> So, yet another iteration of the "I don't feel like I'm getting the same 
>> amount of power at every degree in the rotation"  fetish. Has everybody 
>> exhausted their pile of discarded Biopace etc. chainrings already?
>>
>> It's hard to make the argument that the "dead zone" is a problem, when 
>> your advertising test dummy's feet aren't actually attached to the pedals. 
>> Wouldn't slippage on the pedals account for more power variation than a 
>> theoretical "dead zone"? In my mind, it certainly calls the designer's 
>> quasi-scientific assertions into question. And does the improvement, 
>> whatever it is, outweigh the liabilities of additional weight and the extra 
>> set of single-manufacturer components to wear out?
>>
>> This reeks of a non-cyclist engineer trying to fix a non-problem for the 
>> benefit of his own ego/profit. If you're actually a "keen cyclist", you've 
>> long since adjusted your pedaling style to accommodate any sense of a "dead 
>> zone" you may happen to feel. Why wouldn't you? It's not as if every 
>> bicycle you've ever pedaled doesn't pedal the same way.
>>
>> Peter "surprised to discover how mad this seems to make me" Adler
>> pedaling normal cranks on normal bikes in normal ways, just like 
>> everybody else in
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.designboom.com/technology/cerdan-crankset-increases-pedaling-power-06-30-2021/
>>> See above link:
>>>
>>> I find this design fascinating so thought I'd share it with the Group. 
>>> This isn't electronic shifting or carbon but good ole mechanical and metal. 
>>> Could this innovation become accepted in the mainstream cycling world?
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Ben Mihovk]

Nobody has asked…I don’t really have any friends who know enough about bikes to 
know what they’re looking at (but they do appreciate the Atlantis color and the 
Russian sub backstory). 

But…I’d happily let anyone know how long I wanted a Riv, how I saved up from my 
part-time job for almost a year to pay for it without charging it. It’s been 
one of the best experiences of my life, hands down…from deciding to do it, from 
the first time I called Riv and talked to Vince, to the day it came and I 
assembled it (after watching the YouTube video of Mark assembling a packed bike 
every morning for a month!). 

So if anyone balks at the price, I’m guessing after I explain all of the above 
they’ll either be excited for me or will change the subject to get me to shut 
up.

Ben

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
> 
> Take them to a bike shop. Most people are out of touch relative to the cost 
> of a modern bicycle. I have found that most folks seem to equate bicyles with 
> childrens toys and as such, interact with them mos;ty in big box store toy 
> departments. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 6:39:56 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I typically find that the critics are the same people who eat out 3 times a 
>> week & a buy a new car every 2 years. $,3500? You know, same as you lost in 
>> depreciation when you drove off the dealer lot last week!
>> 
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 5:16:25 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>> I'd likely shrug my shoulders and smile.
>>> 
>>> I put myself in the "other" shoes, so to speak. From that position, fully 
>>> aware of the comedic situation I apparently now find myself playing 
>>> "both".I "return" to where I never left. 
>>> 
>>> So where's the offense, the call for justice, equality and such ?
>>> 
>>> Nowhere.
>>> 
>>> Now what ? 
>>> 
>>> I shrug my shoulders and laugh, smile . 
 On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 1:22:41 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
 If I have to explain you better be married to me. Otherwise we're not 
 discussing the price of my bicycle. 
 
 
 
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
> I like the line I heard from my friends who built and rode motorcycles:
> 
> "If I have to explain, you'd never understand."
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Kushan  wrote:
>> 
>> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
>> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
>> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
>> value than the bike). 
>> 
>> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
>> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
>> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for 
>> me. While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, 
>> the reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of 
>> astonishment. And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy 
>> cycling, and that I only have one bike right now which I am planning to 
>> sell when the new one arrives.
>> 
>> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
>> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
>> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
>> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
>> 
> 
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[RBW] FS: PARTS & ACCESSORIES (UPDATE)

['Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have decided to pare down some parts duplicates.  Most if not all the 
parts listed are either new in the box, like new or have never been mounted 
on a frame. Pictures are included via Flickr. please feel free to PM me if 
you may have any questions.


https://flic.kr/s/aHsmW4KhM9


Thank you for your consideration


(1) SUGINO XD2 600   46/36/26  170MM   $125

NEW/BOX

(2) MKS SYLVAN TRACK PEDALS BLACK/CHROME  $25 (PAIR)-- *1 PAIR SOLD * 

NEW/BOX

(1) STRONGLIGHT DELTA HEADSET *$*55.00---* SOLD*

BRITISH  26.4   NEW/BOX

(1) STRONGLIGHT A9 HEADSET $50.00---*SOLD*

BRITISH 26.4  NEW/BOX

(1)DURA ACE HB 7700 FRONT HUB$100

36 H  NEW/BOX

(1) NITTO DREAM BAR 46 HEAT TREATED   $60.00*NEW PRICE $50.00 *

MOD 176  NEW/ NEVER MOUNTED  

(1) GILLES BERTHOUD FRONT RACK$75.00--*SOLD  *

ADJUSTABLE W/ LIGHTING MOUNT

CANTILEVER OR V BRAKESNEW

(1) GILLES BERTHOUD SMALL SADDLE BAG  $45.00

#GB288 BLACK   NEW

(2) RIVENDELL BAGGINS BANNANA BAG  $100 (EACH) *NEW PRICE $80.00*

NEW/NEVER USED

(4) SCHWALBE MARATHON PLUS TIRES  $45.00 (EACH) *NEW PRICE $40.00*

SMART GUARD 700C X 35   NEW

(4) CONTI TOP TOURING 2000  $20.00 EACH--*SOLD*

700C X 32  NEW   (PROPERLY STORED)

(4) TUBES 700C 35-43   $5.00 (EACH)---*SOLD*

PRESTA

(4) MAVIC MA3  RIMS   $45.00 (EACH) 

700C 36H  NEW

(1) PARK CABLE/HOUSING CUTTER CN-10  $30.00 *NEW PRICE $25.00*

NEW/POUCH

(3) VINTAGE HURET/SIMPLEX DERAILLEUR CABLE  (NO CHARGE)

(1) SIDI GENIUS 4 LORICA SHOE   $100  

43.0 NEW/BOX

(1) SIDI TOURING SHOE   $125 

42.0 NEW/BOX

*NEW ADDITIONS*

NITTO M12 FRONT RACK (NEW)  *$75.00* 



SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED



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[RBW] Re: Cerdan Crankset

[ascpgh]

Well, "the dead zone" also has more distinct margins on stiffer frames. 
Maybe if M. Cerdan had a more supple frame he would find that its recoil 
from deflection during his input power zone there would be less of a "dead 
zone" if any. 

Instead of inventing something without measure of an existing need, I just 
saved and bought a frame and fork that fit me well and complimented my 
riding. No risk, comparatively, but lacks the opportunities for preening 
and self adulation.

The video of the functioning prototype (no leads or links for buying) has a 
rider on a large diameter aluminum MTB on road tires with an aero clip on 
handlebar handle. If trying to focus on your improvement to cycling, 
perhaps optimize all the other cheaper things to improve the experience. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 2:56:06 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> "*if you’re a keen cyclist , 
> you probably know the difficulty of the so-called ‘dead zone’ when 
> pedaling."*
>
> So, yet another iteration of the "I don't feel like I'm getting the same 
> amount of power at every degree in the rotation"  fetish. Has everybody 
> exhausted their pile of discarded Biopace etc. chainrings already?
>
> It's hard to make the argument that the "dead zone" is a problem, when 
> your advertising test dummy's feet aren't actually attached to the pedals. 
> Wouldn't slippage on the pedals account for more power variation than a 
> theoretical "dead zone"? In my mind, it certainly calls the designer's 
> quasi-scientific assertions into question. And does the improvement, 
> whatever it is, outweigh the liabilities of additional weight and the extra 
> set of single-manufacturer components to wear out?
>
> This reeks of a non-cyclist engineer trying to fix a non-problem for the 
> benefit of his own ego/profit. If you're actually a "keen cyclist", you've 
> long since adjusted your pedaling style to accommodate any sense of a "dead 
> zone" you may happen to feel. Why wouldn't you? It's not as if every 
> bicycle you've ever pedaled doesn't pedal the same way.
>
> Peter "surprised to discover how mad this seems to make me" Adler
> pedaling normal cranks on normal bikes in normal ways, just like everybody 
> else in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.designboom.com/technology/cerdan-crankset-increases-pedaling-power-06-30-2021/
>> See above link:
>>
>> I find this design fascinating so thought I'd share it with the Group. 
>> This isn't electronic shifting or carbon but good ole mechanical and metal. 
>> Could this innovation become accepted in the mainstream cycling world?
>> Doug
>>
>

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