Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[luckyturnip]

Listed as custom “Yves Gomez”

https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-custom-built-bike-yves-gomez/7375848911.html

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:55, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
> 
> Roscoe Bubbe frameset
> 53cm
> $950
> Omaha, NE
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165048493484
> 
> 
> A. Homer Hilsen
> 57cm
> $3000
> Fayetteville, AR
> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/mulberry-rivendell-homer-hilson/7358186841.html
> 
> 
> Frank Jones Sr.
> 53cm
> $2300
> Las Cruces, NM
> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/bik/d/las-cruces-rivendell-frank-jones-sr/7359900069.html
> 
> 
> Susie Longbolts
> 53cm
> $1850
> Lafayette, CA
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/lafayette-rivendell-susie-longbolts/7372931941.html
> 
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[RBW] WTB: Albastache Bars

[Johnny Alien]

I am tentatively thinking about moving my Saluki from Noodles to Albastache 
and honesty since it's an experiment I am not sure I want to invest new 
prices. Anyone looking to move along a used pair? 25.4 would be preferable 
but either would work.

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Re: [RBW] HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Ryan]

That is a labor of love...thanks for doing this , Eric. All the best. Now 
go ride your bike in what I hope is lovely fall weather

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 5:40:11 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Peace and love, everyone! 
>
> EricP -- I don't have a Hillborne brochure or the other small folded 
> article pamphlet thing! DM sent ;) 
>
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 6:25:07 PM UTC-4 EricP wrote:
>
>> Thanks for doing this. That took a lot of work.
>>
>> Notice that you didn't include the Sam Hillborne brochure or the small 
>> folded piece that has a couple of short articles (the shoes ruse) and then 
>> the other side has the bikes available.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 3:21:54 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Just another list member who's sending you heaps of thanks for taking 
>>> this project on and sharing with the community. Thank you Thank You THANK 
>>> YOU!!  Cheers,
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2021, at 15:59, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Much much impressive archiving work. Superthanks!
>>>
>>> -Oli in SF
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>>
 Even got a shoutout on the newsletter this week.
 Excellent work!.

 --ben in KC

 On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 6:53 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I hope you all enjoy, these catalogs are really cool. Great wisdom and 
> writing, cool parts through the ages. Heartbreaking wool prices. 
>
>
> [image: IMG_5960.JPG]
>
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:36:06 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, this is great. Thank you, Eric!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of 
>> Rivendell catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>>
>> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
>> site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>>
>> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>
>> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
>> anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>>
>>
>>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>>- Frame brochures
>>   - 1995 frames mailer
>>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>>   - Rambouillet
>>   - Romulus
>>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>>   - An early frame paint chart
>>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>>- Flyers
>>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>>- Ads
>>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Sam Hillborne brochure 

[Eric Marth]

Wow! That is very awesome of you both -- THANK YOU! 

On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 4:41:27 PM UTC-4 steve wrote:

> Eric,
> I can’t seem to post it to this but just sent you the brochure
>
>
> Steve Tuggle
> Yorktown, VA
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Sam Hillborne brochure 

[steve]

Eric,
I can’t seem to post it to this but just sent you the brochure


Steve Tuggle
Yorktown, VA

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Sam Hillborne brochure 

[Johnny Alien]

I think I sent it to your email but let me know if you don't get it.

On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 3:40:00 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all -- I noticed a dead link for a Hillborne brochure on the Riv 
> tumblr. It's from 2014. Does anyone have this pdf? If so please let me know!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: i pinched seat tube putting on problem solvers brand front derailleur clamp

[Joe Bernard]

Another issue is the Problem Silvers website lists 3.5nm for that clamp. 
The product may have come to the OP with outdated instructions and those 
instructions may be outdated because someone told the company it pinched a 
tube. 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 12:06:44 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

> Actually, the instructions for my Campy FD clearly say to “fasten the 
> tightening bolt to the frame, torquing to the following values…”
>
> The phrase “to following values” describes a target, not a suggested max. 
> Now maybe other component companies say their Nm number is the max for that 
> part, but until then, it’s more useful to rely on the company that made the 
> part than other sources.
>
> Dave, who thinks some torque numbers are conservative because the 
> manufacturer doesn’t know if you’re using more fragile carbon or more 
> robust steel
>
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 11:20 AM Thomas Lawn  wrote:
>
>> This is maybe the biggest downside about torque specs is that it's easy 
>> to lose the natural "hey, I wonder if this is tight enough?" instinct and 
>> go straight to "well it says put it at 9Nm so *crack*!"
>>
>> Firstly, the published torque for clamps is not a "target number" to hit, 
>> but actually a maximum. The object being clamped will also have a maximum 
>> value, and for a thin-walled butted seat tube, it may well be less than 
>> 4Nm. For front derailleurs, just tighten until it gets snug and give it 
>> another 1/4-1/2 turn. It should be completely immobile and very easy to 
>> tighten down using the short end of an allen key or p-handle wrench. If you 
>> have to use a long arm to torque a derailleur band, it's likely that 
>> something bad is happening. Don't lubricate the clamp because that will 
>> require more clamping force to resist moving, but you can grease the 
>> threads of the bolt.
>>
>> The good news is that there are millions of steel bikes out there with 
>> slight dimples on their seat tube from front derailleur clamps and they're 
>> completely fine. I have a frame with *two* dimples because the 
>> Incredible Hulk installed the derailleur too high or too low the first 
>> time. It's also nearly impossible to detect those dimples unless you're 
>> specifically looking and feeling for them, so you'll likely forget they're 
>> even there in a year or two.
>>
>> This may get me some push back (although perhaps not from this crowd) but 
>> I generally do not use a torque wrench on anything involving a metal to 
>> metal interface with a few exceptions (Shimano HT crank pinch bolts being 
>> the most common). With things that are common on Riv bikes like quill stems 
>> and threaded headsets, most of these components were designed before every 
>> mechanic had access to a torque wrench and have no meaningful torque spec 
>> because the limiting factor is rarely the stem and more often the steerer 
>> that fails. These components, and square taper cranks, just need to be 
>> torqued *a lot* but not too much, and finding that by hand is pretty 
>> easy if you go slow, evaluate what you're doing and the effect as you go, 
>> and don't use a wrench that is too big for the job!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Thomas in Portland, OR
>>
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 3:40:46 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>>
>>> Dunno about 4Nm being quite a lot. Just earlier this week I installed a 
>>> new, early 21st century Campagnolo front derailleur. And the multi-language 
>>> instruction sheet put 5Nm as the target torque for the clamp.
>>>
>>> Dave, who prefers Nm over the other torque metrics because hey Isaac 
>>> Newton
>>> + + +
>>> Hudson Valley NY
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:26 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>>
 That surprises me. I've been fitting band-on front derailleurs for 
 about half a century, and can't recall ever even damaging paintwork, let 
 alone denting a seat tube. Mind you, 4Nm is quite a lot - I'm rather 
 surprised that the marked setting would be that high. I've never used a 
 torque wrench on an FD clamp when assembling a bike, but it doesn't need 
 anything like that much force applied to the pinch bolt to hold the 
 derailleur in place. After all, the handlebar clamp bolts on threadless 
 stems are usually marked as 5Nm; that's sufficient to hold the handlebars 
 in place, and the rotational force on a drop handlebar when you've got 
 your 
 weight out on the brake hoods is many times greater than that on an FD.

 The other possible problem might be your torque wrench. If it's a 
 torque wrench that goes up to 25Nm or 30Nm, then it's quite likely to have 
 substantial error at low settings.

 Nick

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[RBW] Re: fs: Soma Shikoro tires, 700x38

[Eric Marth]

These tires are spoken for. Thank you! ☮️

On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 2:44:09 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> These are brand new, never installed, as received from Soma. $85 shipped 
> OBO. Payment via PayPal friends and/or family :) Please DM to purchase. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-09-04 at 2.32.29 PM.png]
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Re: [RBW] Need 700x45C recommendations, please

[Michael Williams]

The WTB riddlers in 700x45.   Roll really well and decent cornering grip.
Middle of the road in lightness/ toughness.   Pretty tough tire for the weight. 
   -Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2021, at 11:15 AM, EricP  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the ideas so far. Jeff has hooked me up with a pair of Specialized 
> Fat Boy 700x45c which should tide me over for this year. Then maybe will grab 
> the G-One and give them a try for next year. 
> 
> If there are still any other suggestions out there, please keep them coming. 
> 
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
> 
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 9:26:54 PM UTC-5 Mark Allen wrote:
>> I hate to be that person who recommends the thing you just said you don't 
>> want, but as a not-small person I've had impressively good luck on Rene 
>> Herse's 700x44 Snoqualmie Pass with the Endurance casing. The combo of the 
>> tougher casing and wider width (which allowed lower tire pressures) let me 
>> get nearly 7k miles with only one flat before the rear needed to be 
>> replaced, where earlier attempts with RH/Compass tires were not nearly as 
>> successful.
>> 
>> Mark
>> Toronto
>>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 8:04:19 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>>> My early Hillborne fits and rides Schwalbe G-one Allround tires very well, 
>>> strongly recommended 56cm frame for reference. Also did well with 44mm 
>>> Snoqualmie Pass tires.
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: i pinched seat tube putting on problem solvers brand front derailleur clamp

[David Hallerman]

Actually, the instructions for my Campy FD clearly say to “fasten the
tightening bolt to the frame, torquing to the following values…”

The phrase “to following values” describes a target, not a suggested max.
Now maybe other component companies say their Nm number is the max for that
part, but until then, it’s more useful to rely on the company that made the
part than other sources.

Dave, who thinks some torque numbers are conservative because the
manufacturer doesn’t know if you’re using more fragile carbon or more
robust steel

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 11:20 AM Thomas Lawn  wrote:

> This is maybe the biggest downside about torque specs is that it's easy to
> lose the natural "hey, I wonder if this is tight enough?" instinct and go
> straight to "well it says put it at 9Nm so *crack*!"
>
> Firstly, the published torque for clamps is not a "target number" to hit,
> but actually a maximum. The object being clamped will also have a maximum
> value, and for a thin-walled butted seat tube, it may well be less than
> 4Nm. For front derailleurs, just tighten until it gets snug and give it
> another 1/4-1/2 turn. It should be completely immobile and very easy to
> tighten down using the short end of an allen key or p-handle wrench. If you
> have to use a long arm to torque a derailleur band, it's likely that
> something bad is happening. Don't lubricate the clamp because that will
> require more clamping force to resist moving, but you can grease the
> threads of the bolt.
>
> The good news is that there are millions of steel bikes out there with
> slight dimples on their seat tube from front derailleur clamps and they're
> completely fine. I have a frame with *two* dimples because the Incredible
> Hulk installed the derailleur too high or too low the first time. It's also
> nearly impossible to detect those dimples unless you're specifically
> looking and feeling for them, so you'll likely forget they're even there in
> a year or two.
>
> This may get me some push back (although perhaps not from this crowd) but
> I generally do not use a torque wrench on anything involving a metal to
> metal interface with a few exceptions (Shimano HT crank pinch bolts being
> the most common). With things that are common on Riv bikes like quill stems
> and threaded headsets, most of these components were designed before every
> mechanic had access to a torque wrench and have no meaningful torque spec
> because the limiting factor is rarely the stem and more often the steerer
> that fails. These components, and square taper cranks, just need to be
> torqued *a lot* but not too much, and finding that by hand is pretty easy
> if you go slow, evaluate what you're doing and the effect as you go, and
> don't use a wrench that is too big for the job!
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas in Portland, OR
>
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 3:40:46 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> Dunno about 4Nm being quite a lot. Just earlier this week I installed a
>> new, early 21st century Campagnolo front derailleur. And the multi-language
>> instruction sheet put 5Nm as the target torque for the clamp.
>>
>> Dave, who prefers Nm over the other torque metrics because hey Isaac
>> Newton
>> + + +
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:26 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> That surprises me. I've been fitting band-on front derailleurs for about
>>> half a century, and can't recall ever even damaging paintwork, let alone
>>> denting a seat tube. Mind you, 4Nm is quite a lot - I'm rather surprised
>>> that the marked setting would be that high. I've never used a torque wrench
>>> on an FD clamp when assembling a bike, but it doesn't need anything like
>>> that much force applied to the pinch bolt to hold the derailleur in place.
>>> After all, the handlebar clamp bolts on threadless stems are usually marked
>>> as 5Nm; that's sufficient to hold the handlebars in place, and the
>>> rotational force on a drop handlebar when you've got your weight out on the
>>> brake hoods is many times greater than that on an FD.
>>>
>>> The other possible problem might be your torque wrench. If it's a torque
>>> wrench that goes up to 25Nm or 30Nm, then it's quite likely to have
>>> substantial error at low settings.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Need 700x45C recommendations, please

[EricP]

Thanks for the ideas so far. Jeff has hooked me up with a pair of 
Specialized Fat Boy 700x45c which should tide me over for this year. Then 
maybe will grab the G-One and give them a try for next year. 

If there are still any other suggestions out there, please keep them 
coming. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 9:26:54 PM UTC-5 Mark Allen wrote:

> I hate to be that person who recommends the thing you *just* said you 
> don't want, but as a not-small person I've had impressively good luck on 
> Rene Herse's 700x44 Snoqualmie Pass with the Endurance casing. The combo of 
> the tougher casing and wider width (which allowed lower tire pressures) let 
> me get nearly 7k miles with only one flat before the rear needed to be 
> replaced, where earlier attempts with RH/Compass tires were not nearly as 
> successful.
>
> Mark
> Toronto
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 8:04:19 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>
>> My early Hillborne fits and rides Schwalbe G-one Allround tires very 
>> well, strongly recommended 56cm frame for reference. Also did well with 
>> 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires.
>> [image: IMG_5445a.jpg][image: IMG_4510.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Hupe sought

[luckyturnip]

I got a Hupe and installed it. Yes, I read the other reviews, but still went 
for it. Hopefully I get the bag soon, gonna be an empty Hupe for a bit. 
Obligatory bike pic:

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> On Aug 24, 2021, at 07:30, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Has anyone got one of these Rivendell Silver Hupe lying about? Would like to 
> try one as I almost exclusively run sprung saddles.

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[RBW] Re: FS: three sets of 700c tires

[Paul Richardson]

all sold!
thanks everyone.

paul
takoma park, md.

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[RBW] Re: What made you a bikey?

[Matt Beecher]

I was living in Athens, GA and working at the EPA facility in town.  There 
were showers available and I noticed that my commute took unreasonably long 
to get around the UGA campus.  I got a bike and my commute time did not 
really change much.  Sometimes it was slower, sometimes it was faster.  Why 
not keep riding?

I would also note that there is an obvious difference, in terms of the 
cycling community, going from Peoria, IL to Athens, GA.  Athens had a great 
cycling community, in comparison.  Being comfortable riding 365 days a year 
was fantastic too.  

I've never been able to commute to work as much as I did in GA, but I 
thankfully have the Fox River Trail within a half mile of my house now, so 
the cycling has stuck.  While I do like fast, mostly vintage bikes and 
utility cycling, I never got into the whole spandex thing.  I have a couple 
jerseys tops for days I want to ride a faster bike, but they fit loose and 
I solely like them for the pockets.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] WTB: Atlas wheelset

[Matt Beecher]

I'm looking for a 700c Atlas wheelset, for clincher brakes and 130mm 
spacing in the rear.  

Anybody have something available, before I build up a wheelset myself...or 
order one?

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: What made you a bikey?

[John Rinker]

I'll echo: Great thread, Joe! And, it brings back some wonderful memories. 

As a kid, I was never far from my sparkly, orange Huffy after I learned to 
ride. Later I inherited my older brother's lovingly abused 10-speed and 
spent time with my Dad tearing it apart, stripping the paint, choosing my 
color, cleaning, shining, and oiling all the parts, and putting it all back 
together. This was a pivotal moment in my love of tinkering. Later I got 
into BMX bikes because they could go anywhere and you could jump stuff with 
them. In high school, girls became more interesting and my bike collected 
dust. 

In university, I got another bike, rode it a bit, but then fell in love 
with my '75 VW for a while. After I graduated, I got an old bike and 
revisited the 'tear-down, build-up' that I had done with my father as a 
kid. That bike allowed me to see how being a bike messenger in San 
Francisco was, for me, a quick way to become a hostile, angry person. Some 
kind soul saved me from this by stealing the bike a couple of weeks after 
my first fist on the hood of a car. I walked the rest of my time in SF 
because...well, it's a great city for walking, and walking provided a more 
peaceful path. 

Two years later, I was just beginning my first gig as an international 
school teacher in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia and I perchance met a guy from 
Northern California named 'The Breeze' who was cycling from Cairo to Cape 
Town with a fully loaded bike. 'You can do that!' For me, that was the 
moment! The Breeze ended up staying at my place for a spell, and it was his 
stories of adventure that sealed my fate as a 'bikey'.

Not long after I acquired a well-used Peugeot VTT (French for mountain 
bike), I made my first set of panniers and started riding anywhere I could 
in Ethiopia. This was in 1991 and the country was close to the culmination 
of its 30-year civil war. After the Eritreans had won their independence in 
the Spring of 1991, my first tour was of a newly liberated Eritrea, and it 
was an eye-opening adventure complete with bombed-out hotels, decaying 
bodies, and an infectious joy of an entire population of people at peace 
for the first time in 30 years with a future filled with possibilities.

In the years since I have lived and traveled all over the African and Asian 
continents, and my bicycle has been my constant companion. It wasn't until 
around 2014 that I saw my first Riv, and a year later I took delivery of my 
now, very well-traveled, well-loved 'Sweet As'. We have explored China, 
North America, ridden the Great Divide, and have crossed the highest pass 
in the Himalayas together. We are currently commuting to school in the most 
populated metropolis on the planet (where the most respectful drivers on 
the planet also happen to live) and, on weekends, we explore the steep, 
forested mountains of Japan.

Bicycles have opened the world to me in a myriad of ways and allowed me to 
connect with natural, remote places. But, most importantly, each bike I 
have ridden has brought me closer to understanding and appreciating my 
place in this beautifully complex mystery. 

I guess that's 'bikey'!

Cheers,
John

On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 3:00:53 PM UTC+9 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Good thread, Joe. For me, bikes were a key part of my life from the moment 
> I learned to ride a bike (which was age 6, so much later than typical 
> especially these days).  I lived directly adjacent to a huge forest with an 
> impressive trail network, and my family would often vacation at various 
> fishing lakes and the like, so I immediately took to exploring everything I 
> could by bike. As a teen, I got really into mountain biking and biketrials 
> (this was the early to mid 90s, so Hans Rey was my idol). Me and a buddy 
> did a trials show for a high school talent show where we hopped on blocks, 
> and off the stage.  Into the early 2000's I kept riding mountain bikes but 
> trials became less of a thing and fixed gear bikes more of a thing. I ended 
> up going back to trials in the late 2000's but it didn't really stick. This 
> is when I discovered touring bikes and bikepacking rigs. I remember 
> thinking Rivendells were beautiful back then, but I scoffed at the fact 
> they didn't publish geometry charts so I never paid them much mind (how 
> serious could a bike company be if they don't even give you the 
> geometry??).  Well, heck, that's unfortunate for me. Instead I stuck to 
> Surlys, then Salsas, and I went from a diehard hardtail MTB rider to riding 
> full suspension bikes.  Through the 2010's I've moved to Bridgestones and 
> Rivendells, and just now I'm transitioning away from full suspension MTB's 
> to a hardtail (Esker Japhy, currently mid-build). 
>
> So I don't have that "ah ha!" moment, but my entire upbringing centered on 
> bikes and I can't imagine any part of my life (after 6 years old, anyway) 
> without! 
>
>
>
> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 13:48:18 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Will has 

[RBW] Re: i pinched seat tube putting on problem solvers brand front derailleur clamp

[Garth]

I've used a torque wrench for cartridge BB's and that about it. I was given 
one, that's why I used it. Otherwise I never use one. What "the numbers" 
never have is intelligence. I found this article which gets to the gist of 
why I've never used for anything else on a bike. Unreliability. 

https://james-p-smith.blogspot.com/2011/05/torque-wrenches-and-bicycles.html
On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 4:32:48 PM UTC-4 Christopher Cote wrote:

> I don't know what you used for a torque wrench, but I find the click-type 
> often need to be used a click or two after being set, before it will click 
> over at the set torque. Internal sticktion or something like that. I like 
> to set the torque wrench, and then test it on some bolt that I know is 
> torqued way more than the current setting. The swingarm bolt on my DR650 
> motorcycle is often used for this, but I'm sure you can find something 
> handy if you don't have one of those in the shop.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 12:59:34 AM UTC-4 JP wrote:
>
>> On unhealthy air days i've been playing around - trying out different 
>> parts to see what happens and learn about maintenance.  
>>
>> I have a torque wrench but not a lot of experience with it.  When putting 
>> on a braze on clamp adapter i made a little pinch in and seat tube and that 
>> makes me a bit sad.The clamp said to use 4 NM and that's what i sent 
>> the wrench at.
>>
>> It's a steel sam h. that will likely be fine - but any tips  to avoid 
>> this type of damage going forward?
>>
>> (like i was thinking should i tighten slower or lubricate the clamp or 
>> something?). 
>>
>> thanks in advance!
>>
>> JP
>>
>

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[RBW] ISO: ThumbShifter Mount handlebar clamp for Silver shifter

[Jared Wilson]

Hey gang

Upgrading to a Silver2 *X* shifter and the mount is currently out of stock.

Hoping someone has an *X* style mount they'd be willing to part with.

Off list responses please, thanks!

Jared
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[RBW] Re: What made you a bikey?

[Jason Fuller]

Good thread, Joe. For me, bikes were a key part of my life from the moment 
I learned to ride a bike (which was age 6, so much later than typical 
especially these days).  I lived directly adjacent to a huge forest with an 
impressive trail network, and my family would often vacation at various 
fishing lakes and the like, so I immediately took to exploring everything I 
could by bike. As a teen, I got really into mountain biking and biketrials 
(this was the early to mid 90s, so Hans Rey was my idol). Me and a buddy 
did a trials show for a high school talent show where we hopped on blocks, 
and off the stage.  Into the early 2000's I kept riding mountain bikes but 
trials became less of a thing and fixed gear bikes more of a thing. I ended 
up going back to trials in the late 2000's but it didn't really stick. This 
is when I discovered touring bikes and bikepacking rigs. I remember 
thinking Rivendells were beautiful back then, but I scoffed at the fact 
they didn't publish geometry charts so I never paid them much mind (how 
serious could a bike company be if they don't even give you the 
geometry??).  Well, heck, that's unfortunate for me. Instead I stuck to 
Surlys, then Salsas, and I went from a diehard hardtail MTB rider to riding 
full suspension bikes.  Through the 2010's I've moved to Bridgestones and 
Rivendells, and just now I'm transitioning away from full suspension MTB's 
to a hardtail (Esker Japhy, currently mid-build). 

So I don't have that "ah ha!" moment, but my entire upbringing centered on 
bikes and I can't imagine any part of my life (after 6 years old, anyway) 
without! 



On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 13:48:18 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Will has an interesting post in the the recent Riv Newsletter about how he 
> and some friends first noticed bikes and got into them. After your initial 
> foray as a kid with a bike, what was the thing that made you notice them 
> later and turn you into an adult-person-cyclist? 
>
> Mine is similar to Will's as a young man in Los Angeles, except it was the 
> flashy riders in "tight clothes" I picked up on. I vividly recall being 
> stopped on Pacific Coast Highway somewhere south of Long Beach (probably on 
> a motorcycle) and watching all the roadies go by, this would be early '80s. 
> This one guy went by on a green (actually celeste blue, but I didn't know 
> that at the time) Bianchi with matching bar tape and riding gear. That was 
> the moment I - a car and motorcycle nut - realized bicycles were a thing, 
> too. A very cool thing, and you got a workout in the process! 
>
> I was hooked, what hooked you? 
>
> Joe Bernard
>

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