[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Unfortunately, GoogleGroups has dropped the ability to "Pin" posts in 
group.s 

Guess they figure the search algorithm can find anything 

ahh well...

- J / admin

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 2:20:08 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Might be a good idea for a moderator to sticky this post, for future 
> reference.
>
> Peter "knowing the info is out there doesn't help, if you can't find it" 
> Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
>> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>>
>> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the site. 
>> Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>>
>> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>
>> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have anything 
>> that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>>
>>
>>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>>- Frame brochures
>>   - 1995 frames mailer
>>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>>   - Rambouillet
>>   - Romulus
>>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>>   - An early frame paint chart
>>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>>- Flyers
>>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>>- Ads
>>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Jake Kutchins]

57cm Hillborne complete listed for $1950 on eBay...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/284439088587?hash=item4239e40dcb:g:KuoAAOSwm3JhM9Ug


On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 10:29:08 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Listed as custom “Yves Gomez”
>
>
> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-custom-built-bike-yves-gomez/7375848911.html
>
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:55, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
> Roscoe Bubbe frameset
>
>
> 53cm
> $950
> Omaha, NE
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165048493484
>
>
> A. Homer Hilsen
> 57cm
> $3000
> Fayetteville, AR
>
> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/mulberry-rivendell-homer-hilson/7358186841.html
>
>
> Frank Jones Sr.
> 53cm
> $2300
> Las Cruces, NM
>
> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/bik/d/las-cruces-rivendell-frank-jones-sr/7359900069.html
>
>
> Susie Longbolts
> 53cm
> $1850
> Lafayette, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/lafayette-rivendell-susie-longbolts/7372931941.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Robb]

I was a paper boy for three years starting in 1958. It was a weekly not a 
daily. My dad bought me an surplus Post Office bike (20" front wheel, 26" 
rear wheel with a large basket in the front). I was supposed to pay me back 
from my earnings but he never asked for it. Gave it up when I got to high 
school and got a job in the local grocery store. 

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 8:56:20 PM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:

> I delivered the afternoon Vancouver Sun in the South Slope area of 
> Burnaby, c.1962-66 on my single speed CCM bike with vee-bars. My parents 
> insisted I get a front rim brake added once my new route included the 
> steepest part of the south slope (Gilley and Carson). I had a big 
> wrought-iron front rack and an over-the-shoulder newsie bag. I had around 
> 70 papers/day, six days/week.
>
> Biggest load ever was when Churchill died -- he was at death's doorstep 
> for over a week, giving everyone time to write a tribute, sigh.
>
> I learned three different ways to fold the paper, and we were told to get 
> them within 2 feet of the front door, so no tossing from a bike-in-motion...
>
> My recollection is that the two local bike shops gave us paper carriers 
> premium service when we needed it, and for a minimal charge. Thanks, gents!
>
> EricF
> Who now has a hoity toity basket on his Bombadil
> Vancouver BC
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Ryan Nute]

I had a paper route from I think 1987 until 1993 in junior high and high 
school.  It was good money though I had to buy the papers and then go 
collect which was always interesting!

Ryan

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Sam Hillborne brochure 

[John TeRonde]

Any chance you would send me one as well?  I have a 62cm double top tube. 
Thanks!
On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 3:07:12 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow! That is very awesome of you both -- THANK YOU! 
>
> On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 4:41:27 PM UTC-4 steve wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> I can’t seem to post it to this but just sent you the brochure
>>
>>
>> Steve Tuggle
>> Yorktown, VA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Johnny Alien]

I delivered papers as a young kid as well. I did not throw papers though I 
set them on the porch or by the front door. Because of that I always used a 
skateboard vs bike.  Too much stopping and getting off of the bike to walk 
the paper up.

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:09:52 PM UTC-4 sprun...@gmail.com wrote:

> I too came from a family of paper carriers. I threw the Newton Kansan, an 
> afternoon paper, using my coppertone Schwinn Typhoon. My brother had the 
> Wichita Eagle Beacon, which was a 5 am route. He had a red Typhoon. In 
> hindsight, my parents were quite tolerant of our operation. We could rarely 
> take family vacations, and even school activities outside of normal hours 
> posed a challenge. 
> I learned a lot about all-weather biking and the value of fenders from 
> those years as a paper carrier. 
> David Sprunger
> Formerly of Fargo but now back in North Newton, Kansas
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM David Hallerman  
> wrote:
>
>> Paper boy? That was me in NYC, the borough of Queens, delivering the 
>> long-dead “New York World-Telegram & Sun” to about 35 homes. This was a 
>> semi-suburban section of Queens, and most of my customers lived in 
>> single-family, or at least ground entrance, homes. And the afternoon paper 
>> had no Sunday edition, so that was my day off.
>>
>>
>> I cycled to each delivery on my black Rudge 3-speed and, after a time, on 
>> some anonymous single-speed with high handlebars that made it easy to tie 
>> on my white canvas paper bag. (Seems I always had multiple bikes.)
>>
>>
>> I never threw the paper towards anyone’s front door. Instead, I walked up 
>> and put each day’s paper inside the customers’ screen doors or any other 
>> places they asked the paper to be left in. My artisanal style of paper 
>> delivery increased the size of my tips.
>>
>>
>> Best bike memory associated with paper delivery: The gift my friends gave 
>> me for my bar-mitzvah was money to buy my first 10-speed bike, $55 back 
>> then. On the day I planned to buy the bike, I zoomed through my paper route 
>> and headed to the bike shop about 3 miles away on my blue single-speed.
>>
>>
>> I knew the bike I wanted, a gold English Racer (another name we used back 
>> then for 10-speed bikes), but I cannot remember the brand. At the shop, I 
>> was ready to nail down my purchase, but the owner said “Don’t you think 
>> your father should be here with you?”
>>
>>
>> My reply: “Why? I know more about it than he does.”
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> + + + + + + + +
>>
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
>>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
>>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
>>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
>>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
>>> people in cars.
>>>
>>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>>>
>>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
>>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
>>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
>>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
>>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[David Sprunger]

I too came from a family of paper carriers. I threw the Newton Kansan, an
afternoon paper, using my coppertone Schwinn Typhoon. My brother had the
Wichita Eagle Beacon, which was a 5 am route. He had a red Typhoon. In
hindsight, my parents were quite tolerant of our operation. We could rarely
take family vacations, and even school activities outside of normal hours
posed a challenge.
I learned a lot about all-weather biking and the value of fenders from
those years as a paper carrier.
David Sprunger
Formerly of Fargo but now back in North Newton, Kansas

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:28 PM David Hallerman 
wrote:

> Paper boy? That was me in NYC, the borough of Queens, delivering the
> long-dead “New York World-Telegram & Sun” to about 35 homes. This was a
> semi-suburban section of Queens, and most of my customers lived in
> single-family, or at least ground entrance, homes. And the afternoon paper
> had no Sunday edition, so that was my day off.
>
>
> I cycled to each delivery on my black Rudge 3-speed and, after a time, on
> some anonymous single-speed with high handlebars that made it easy to tie
> on my white canvas paper bag. (Seems I always had multiple bikes.)
>
>
> I never threw the paper towards anyone’s front door. Instead, I walked up
> and put each day’s paper inside the customers’ screen doors or any other
> places they asked the paper to be left in. My artisanal style of paper
> delivery increased the size of my tips.
>
>
> Best bike memory associated with paper delivery: The gift my friends gave
> me for my bar-mitzvah was money to buy my first 10-speed bike, $55 back
> then. On the day I planned to buy the bike, I zoomed through my paper route
> and headed to the bike shop about 3 miles away on my blue single-speed.
>
>
> I knew the bike I wanted, a gold English Racer (another name we used back
> then for 10-speed bikes), but I cannot remember the brand. At the shop, I
> was ready to nail down my purchase, but the owner said “Don’t you think
> your father should be here with you?”
>
>
> My reply: “Why? I know more about it than he does.”
>
>
> Dave
>
> + + + + + + + +
>
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
>> people in cars.
>>
>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>>
>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albastache Bars

[Johnny Alien]

Found! Thanks!

On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 10:48:54 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I will be totally good with 26 as well now that I think about it. No 
> preference for clamp size.
>
> On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 10:29:00 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am tentatively thinking about moving my Saluki from Noodles to 
>> Albastache and honesty since it's an experiment I am not sure I want to 
>> invest new prices. Anyone looking to move along a used pair? 25.4 would be 
>> preferable but either would work.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Appaloosa Frameset - Riv blue

[bp]

Sorry, forgot to mention in post location is central Iowa. Just in case 
anyone feels like taking a look, driving home with a new frame. :) 

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 8:09:44 PM UTC-5 bp wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> If you missed out on the Appaloosa sale a couple months ago, I have an 
> opportunity for you. I was lucky to get a 60 Appa in orange, my all-time 
> favorite color. So I have a barely-used blue Appa that needs a good home. 
> At 62 it was just a smidge big for me, but still a fun ride. But with so 
> many in the stable, this one didn't see as much ride time. Garmin tells me 
> under 200 miles. No scratches, dings or marks that I can see. Basically new 
> condition. 
>
> Purchased directly from Rivendell,  Nov 2018.
>
> Size: 62cm
> Price: $1,300 - includes shipping (within reason).
>
> Includes the seatpost, headset and BB provided by Rivendell. (Even though 
> the BB isn't in the pictures.)
>
> I'm including a pict to show how I had it built up. But to be clear...sale 
> is *frameset only*.
>
> Thanks for looking!
> Brent
>
> [image: DSCF0107.jpeg][image: IMG_2031.jpeg][image: IMG_2032.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_2033.jpeg][image: IMG_2035.jpeg][image: IMG_2036.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_2037.jpeg]
> [image: DSCF0068.jpeg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Eric Floden]

I delivered the afternoon Vancouver Sun in the South Slope area of Burnaby,
c.1962-66 on my single speed CCM bike with vee-bars. My parents insisted I
get a front rim brake added once my new route included the steepest part of
the south slope (Gilley and Carson). I had a big wrought-iron front rack
and an over-the-shoulder newsie bag. I had around 70 papers/day, six
days/week.

Biggest load ever was when Churchill died -- he was at death's doorstep for
over a week, giving everyone time to write a tribute, sigh.

I learned three different ways to fold the paper, and we were told to get
them within 2 feet of the front door, so no tossing from a bike-in-motion...

My recollection is that the two local bike shops gave us paper carriers
premium service when we needed it, and for a minimal charge. Thanks, gents!

EricF
Who now has a hoity toity basket on his Bombadil
Vancouver BC

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Joe Bernard]

This is mostly lifted from when I mentioned it on the "What made you a 
bikey" thread:

 My first job (like most boys then) was delivering newspapers on a Schwinn. 
Little kids at 4am wobbling down the street with huge heavy bags on the 
handlebars - crashing regularly, especially with Sunday papers - is 
unimaginable now, but we did it! I was 11, I delivered the Press-Telegram 
in Long Beach, CA. My trick was I was very good at sailing the paper 
between the plants and right onto the porch while pedaling by. 

Joe Bernard



On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>

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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Will]

Yes. I had a paper route in Virginia Beach for about 5 or 6 years. It never 
got too cold and we were told to throw the papers in the driveway. I went 
through 3 bikes. All had the huge Wald front basket and the pannier baskets 
in back. So I could do about 60 papers. The route was in my neighborhood 
and the neighbor's dog always came along. I was usually done by 6:15 am, 
then went surfing in the summer and weekends. The bikes were always single 
speeds, coaster brakes, 26" wheels with fat tires. I borrowed a Raleigh 3 
speed briefly, but the frame flexed too much. 

The job taught me about biking. In those days paperboys fixed their own 
bikes. I learned to take wheels apart to grease the bearings and so on. 

These days biking is a bit more upscale: Toyo built Atlantis. But the old 
days were fun. 

Will

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 5:56:51 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I delivered both weekly papers in Minnesota, the normal sized 
> Post-Bulletins, and the HUGE Sunday Star & Tribune from the Twin Cities. I 
> never used a bike though, it wasn't practical for my local route. The* 
> heavy* Sunday route was done in the dark and the weekly after school. 
> Most of the time I put the paper in their screen door, or any place out of 
> the elements they had. Surely not the ol' chuck-it from the street at your 
> house you see on non-reality TV or movies !  It's horrendous how tv warps 
> your perspective on reality .  Our local internet service was out for 
> over a day a while ago. At first I missed it, then I just went outside and 
> enjoyed watching the grass grow. Oh the sweet silent roar of simply Being. 
> TV nor the web have a clue what reality is .. 
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 5:45:27 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> I delivered papers in West-Central Wisconsin beginning in 1967. Brutal 
>> winters. My parents would drive me if the temps were below -20, (they 
>> softened up later and agreed to -10) but half the time the car would not 
>> start. Rode a heavy single speed bike - I think it was a Hiawatha from 
>> Gambles Hardware Store. Huge baskets out back. One windy day I ran into a 
>> parked car when the wind picked up and started blowing the papers out of 
>> the rear basket. I had turned around to calm things down back there and 
>> Whammo! Head first into a station wagon with those rear wind deflectors 
>> only a few of you may recall. 
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2021-09-06 at 5.40.21 PM.png]
>>
>> Took six or seven stitches to my forehead before school that day. Coldest 
>> day I remember riding the route was -34. A couple of my customers lived in 
>> apts. up a flight of stairs, and they had radiator heaters inside the door 
>> that I would leave my mittens on while I ran the papers up a level. So nice 
>> to have them warmed a bit when I got down. My favorite customer was the 
>> local bakery. It was like walking into a blast furnace that smelled like 
>> glazed donuts. Delivered 7 days a week, and did collecting on Saturdays. No 
>> wonder they don't send kids out to do that at that age anymore. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 4:51:29 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> I had a route from 1960 to around 64.  Usually about 35 papers in a 
>>> hilly suburb of LA.  The route was mostly along 2 parallel roads that 
>>> ascended ridges.  Growing up in the area, I knew there was a dirt trail 
>>> that connected the ridges toward the top, so I only had to ride uphill for 
>>> half distance.  I started out with a used Schwinn with 24" wheels that was 
>>> a bear to get up the hill with the load of papers.  After a year or so I 
>>> moved up to a new Indian 3 speed.  The bike shop knew the area & installed 
>>> the largest rear cog for the Sturmey Archer hub.  It was still tough 
>>> climbing, esp with ad day & Thanksgiving day size papers.  Never got a flat 
>>> & only oiled the chain once in a while.  Rode that bike thru college.  By 
>>> the late 60s, it was so scruffy looking I could park it anywhere on campus 
>>> & not bother locking.
>>>
>>> dougP  
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 1:31:11 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
 I delivered the Bellingham Herald from 6th grade through 12th. On my 
 first route I used my Nishiki Custom Sport, and put it to hard use. (My 
 second, longer-lived route was a walking route.) Back then I used that 
 Nishiki for trails, touring, and just getting around town - a true 
 all-rounder. The archetypical UJB sport tourer really was a remarkably 
 robust and versatile design.

 Jay Lonner
 Bellingham, WA

 Sent from my Atari 400

 On Sep 6, 2021, at 1:01 PM, David Hallerman  wrote:

 

 Yup Patrick, you’ve got it. I started as a paper boy in 1963 when I 
 turned 12, the legal age for that kind of work in NYC at that time. So got 
 my shiny gold English Racer in the spring of 1964.

 I remember riding it on this wonderfully 

Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Garth]

I delivered both weekly papers in Minnesota, the normal sized 
Post-Bulletins, and the HUGE Sunday Star & Tribune from the Twin Cities. I 
never used a bike though, it wasn't practical for my local route. The* 
heavy* Sunday route was done in the dark and the weekly after school. Most 
of the time I put the paper in their screen door, or any place out of the 
elements they had. Surely not the ol' chuck-it from the street at your 
house you see on non-reality TV or movies !  It's horrendous how tv warps 
your perspective on reality .  Our local internet service was out for 
over a day a while ago. At first I missed it, then I just went outside and 
enjoyed watching the grass grow. Oh the sweet silent roar of simply Being. 
TV nor the web have a clue what reality is .. 
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 5:45:27 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> I delivered papers in West-Central Wisconsin beginning in 1967. Brutal 
> winters. My parents would drive me if the temps were below -20, (they 
> softened up later and agreed to -10) but half the time the car would not 
> start. Rode a heavy single speed bike - I think it was a Hiawatha from 
> Gambles Hardware Store. Huge baskets out back. One windy day I ran into a 
> parked car when the wind picked up and started blowing the papers out of 
> the rear basket. I had turned around to calm things down back there and 
> Whammo! Head first into a station wagon with those rear wind deflectors 
> only a few of you may recall. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-09-06 at 5.40.21 PM.png]
>
> Took six or seven stitches to my forehead before school that day. Coldest 
> day I remember riding the route was -34. A couple of my customers lived in 
> apts. up a flight of stairs, and they had radiator heaters inside the door 
> that I would leave my mittens on while I ran the papers up a level. So nice 
> to have them warmed a bit when I got down. My favorite customer was the 
> local bakery. It was like walking into a blast furnace that smelled like 
> glazed donuts. Delivered 7 days a week, and did collecting on Saturdays. No 
> wonder they don't send kids out to do that at that age anymore. 
>
> Marty
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 4:51:29 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> I had a route from 1960 to around 64.  Usually about 35 papers in a hilly 
>> suburb of LA.  The route was mostly along 2 parallel roads that ascended 
>> ridges.  Growing up in the area, I knew there was a dirt trail that 
>> connected the ridges toward the top, so I only had to ride uphill for half 
>> distance.  I started out with a used Schwinn with 24" wheels that was a 
>> bear to get up the hill with the load of papers.  After a year or so I 
>> moved up to a new Indian 3 speed.  The bike shop knew the area & installed 
>> the largest rear cog for the Sturmey Archer hub.  It was still tough 
>> climbing, esp with ad day & Thanksgiving day size papers.  Never got a flat 
>> & only oiled the chain once in a while.  Rode that bike thru college.  By 
>> the late 60s, it was so scruffy looking I could park it anywhere on campus 
>> & not bother locking.
>>
>> dougP  
>>
>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 1:31:11 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> I delivered the Bellingham Herald from 6th grade through 12th. On my 
>>> first route I used my Nishiki Custom Sport, and put it to hard use. (My 
>>> second, longer-lived route was a walking route.) Back then I used that 
>>> Nishiki for trails, touring, and just getting around town - a true 
>>> all-rounder. The archetypical UJB sport tourer really was a remarkably 
>>> robust and versatile design.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2021, at 1:01 PM, David Hallerman  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Yup Patrick, you’ve got it. I started as a paper boy in 1963 when I 
>>> turned 12, the legal age for that kind of work in NYC at that time. So got 
>>> my shiny gold English Racer in the spring of 1964.
>>>
>>> I remember riding it on this wonderfully “hidden” road through park 
>>> woods. That was actually the Vanderbilt Parkway, a private early 
>>> 20th century road abandoned by the plutocrats who built it and back in my 
>>> early 10-speed days truly off-the-grid. Now it’s a multiuser trail that 
>>> lots of people use.
>>>
>>> Dave, who notes that hidden roads trails and paths in big cities are 
>>> very cool 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Dave: What year was this of paper delivery and new "English racer"? I 
 remember "English racers" circa 1962 or 1963 because a friend's father had 
 what must have been a Raleigh Sport, which to me at 7 or 8 was something 
 unfathomably adult and exotic and far away; not even quite a bicycle in 
 the 
 regular meaning of the word, when he and my friend and I took little rides 
 around our neighborhood.

 My friend's father must have been an USA or USAAF serviceman who spent 
 time in England (he 

Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[dougP]

I had a route from 1960 to around 64.  Usually about 35 papers in a hilly 
suburb of LA.  The route was mostly along 2 parallel roads that ascended 
ridges.  Growing up in the area, I knew there was a dirt trail that 
connected the ridges toward the top, so I only had to ride uphill for half 
distance.  I started out with a used Schwinn with 24" wheels that was a 
bear to get up the hill with the load of papers.  After a year or so I 
moved up to a new Indian 3 speed.  The bike shop knew the area & installed 
the largest rear cog for the Sturmey Archer hub.  It was still tough 
climbing, esp with ad day & Thanksgiving day size papers.  Never got a flat 
& only oiled the chain once in a while.  Rode that bike thru college.  By 
the late 60s, it was so scruffy looking I could park it anywhere on campus 
& not bother locking.

dougP  

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 1:31:11 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I delivered the Bellingham Herald from 6th grade through 12th. On my 
> first route I used my Nishiki Custom Sport, and put it to hard use. (My 
> second, longer-lived route was a walking route.) Back then I used that 
> Nishiki for trails, touring, and just getting around town - a true 
> all-rounder. The archetypical UJB sport tourer really was a remarkably 
> robust and versatile design.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Sep 6, 2021, at 1:01 PM, David Hallerman  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yup Patrick, you’ve got it. I started as a paper boy in 1963 when I turned 
> 12, the legal age for that kind of work in NYC at that time. So got my 
> shiny gold English Racer in the spring of 1964.
>
> I remember riding it on this wonderfully “hidden” road through park woods. 
> That was actually the Vanderbilt Parkway, a private early 20th century road 
> abandoned by the plutocrats who built it and back in my early 10-speed days 
> truly off-the-grid. Now it’s a multiuser trail that lots of people use.
>
> Dave, who notes that hidden roads trails and paths in big cities are very 
> cool 
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Dave: What year was this of paper delivery and new "English racer"? I 
>> remember "English racers" circa 1962 or 1963 because a friend's father had 
>> what must have been a Raleigh Sport, which to me at 7 or 8 was something 
>> unfathomably adult and exotic and far away; not even quite a bicycle in the 
>> regular meaning of the word, when he and my friend and I took little rides 
>> around our neighborhood.
>>
>> My friend's father must have been an USA or USAAF serviceman who spent 
>> time in England (he also came back to Prince George's County, MD with an 
>> English wife).
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:28 AM David Hallerman  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paper boy? That was me in NYC, the borough of Queens, delivering the 
>>> long-dead “New York World-Telegram & Sun” to about 35 homes. This was a 
>>> semi-suburban section of Queens, and most of my customers lived in 
>>> single-family, or at least ground entrance, homes. And the afternoon paper 
>>> had no Sunday edition, so that was my day off.
>>>
>>>
>>> I cycled to each delivery on my black Rudge 3-speed and, after a time, 
>>> on some anonymous single-speed with high handlebars that made it easy to 
>>> tie on my white canvas paper bag. (Seems I always had multiple bikes.)
>>>
>>>
>>> I never threw the paper towards anyone’s front door. Instead, I walked 
>>> up and put each day’s paper inside the customers’ screen doors or any other 
>>> places they asked the paper to be left in. My artisanal style of paper 
>>> delivery increased the size of my tips.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best bike memory associated with paper delivery: The gift my friends 
>>> gave me for my bar-mitzvah was money to buy my first 10-speed bike, $55 
>>> back then. On the day I planned to buy the bike, I zoomed through my paper 
>>> route and headed to the bike shop about 3 miles away on my blue 
>>> single-speed.
>>>
>>>
>>> I knew the bike I wanted, a gold English Racer (another name we used 
>>> back then for 10-speed bikes), but I cannot remember the brand. At the 
>>> shop, I was ready to nail down my purchase, but the owner said “Don’t you 
>>> think your father should be here with you?”
>>>
>>>
>>> My reply: “Why? I know more about it than he does.”
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> + + + + + + + +
>>>
>>> Hudson Valley NY
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
 the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
 one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
 the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
 overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
 people in cars.


 http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html

 I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
 

Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Jay Lonner]

I delivered the Bellingham Herald from 6th grade through 12th. On my first 
route I used my Nishiki Custom Sport, and put it to hard use. (My second, 
longer-lived route was a walking route.) Back then I used that Nishiki for 
trails, touring, and just getting around town - a true all-rounder. The 
archetypical UJB sport tourer really was a remarkably robust and versatile 
design.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 1:01 PM, David Hallerman  wrote:
> 
> Yup Patrick, you’ve got it. I started as a paper boy in 1963 when I turned 
> 12, the legal age for that kind of work in NYC at that time. So got my shiny 
> gold English Racer in the spring of 1964.
> 
> I remember riding it on this wonderfully “hidden” road through park woods. 
> That was actually the Vanderbilt Parkway, a private early 20th century road 
> abandoned by the plutocrats who built it and back in my early 10-speed days 
> truly off-the-grid. Now it’s a multiuser trail that lots of people use.
> 
> Dave, who notes that hidden roads trails and paths in big cities are very 
> cool 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>> Dave: What year was this of paper delivery and new "English racer"? I 
>> remember "English racers" circa 1962 or 1963 because a friend's father had 
>> what must have been a Raleigh Sport, which to me at 7 or 8 was something 
>> unfathomably adult and exotic and far away; not even quite a bicycle in the 
>> regular meaning of the word, when he and my friend and I took little rides 
>> around our neighborhood.
>> 
>> My friend's father must have been an USA or USAAF serviceman who spent time 
>> in England (he also came back to Prince George's County, MD with an English 
>> wife).
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:28 AM David Hallerman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Paper boy? That was me in NYC, the borough of Queens, delivering the 
>>> long-dead “New York World-Telegram & Sun” to about 35 homes. This was a 
>>> semi-suburban section of Queens, and most of my customers lived in 
>>> single-family, or at least ground entrance, homes. And the afternoon paper 
>>> had no Sunday edition, so that was my day off.
>>> 
>>> I cycled to each delivery on my black Rudge 3-speed and, after a time, on 
>>> some anonymous single-speed with high handlebars that made it easy to tie 
>>> on my white canvas paper bag. (Seems I always had multiple bikes.)
>>> 
>>> I never threw the paper towards anyone’s front door. Instead, I walked up 
>>> and put each day’s paper inside the customers’ screen doors or any other 
>>> places they asked the paper to be left in. My artisanal style of paper 
>>> delivery increased the size of my tips.
>>> 
>>> Best bike memory associated with paper delivery: The gift my friends gave 
>>> me for my bar-mitzvah was money to buy my first 10-speed bike, $55 back 
>>> then. On the day I planned to buy the bike, I zoomed through my paper route 
>>> and headed to the bike shop about 3 miles away on my blue single-speed.
>>> 
>>> I knew the bike I wanted, a gold English Racer (another name we used back 
>>> then for 10-speed bikes), but I cannot remember the brand. At the shop, I 
>>> was ready to nail down my purchase, but the owner said “Don’t you think 
>>> your father should be here with you?”
>>> 
>>> My reply: “Why? I know more about it than he does.”
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> + + + + + + + +
>>> Hudson Valley NY
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
 Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
 the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
 one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
 the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
 overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
 people in cars.
 
 http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
 
 I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
 similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
 Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
 people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
 Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[David Hallerman]

Yup Patrick, you’ve got it. I started as a paper boy in 1963 when I turned
12, the legal age for that kind of work in NYC at that time. So got my
shiny gold English Racer in the spring of 1964.

I remember riding it on this wonderfully “hidden” road through park woods.
That was actually the Vanderbilt Parkway, a private early 20th century road
abandoned by the plutocrats who built it and back in my early 10-speed days
truly off-the-grid. Now it’s a multiuser trail that lots of people use.

Dave, who notes that hidden roads trails and paths in big cities are very
cool

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Dave: What year was this of paper delivery and new "English racer"? I
> remember "English racers" circa 1962 or 1963 because a friend's father had
> what must have been a Raleigh Sport, which to me at 7 or 8 was something
> unfathomably adult and exotic and far away; not even quite a bicycle in the
> regular meaning of the word, when he and my friend and I took little rides
> around our neighborhood.
>
> My friend's father must have been an USA or USAAF serviceman who spent
> time in England (he also came back to Prince George's County, MD with an
> English wife).
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:28 AM David Hallerman 
> wrote:
>
>> Paper boy? That was me in NYC, the borough of Queens, delivering the
>> long-dead “New York World-Telegram & Sun” to about 35 homes. This was a
>> semi-suburban section of Queens, and most of my customers lived in
>> single-family, or at least ground entrance, homes. And the afternoon paper
>> had no Sunday edition, so that was my day off.
>>
>>
>> I cycled to each delivery on my black Rudge 3-speed and, after a time, on
>> some anonymous single-speed with high handlebars that made it easy to tie
>> on my white canvas paper bag. (Seems I always had multiple bikes.)
>>
>>
>> I never threw the paper towards anyone’s front door. Instead, I walked up
>> and put each day’s paper inside the customers’ screen doors or any other
>> places they asked the paper to be left in. My artisanal style of paper
>> delivery increased the size of my tips.
>>
>>
>> Best bike memory associated with paper delivery: The gift my friends gave
>> me for my bar-mitzvah was money to buy my first 10-speed bike, $55 back
>> then. On the day I planned to buy the bike, I zoomed through my paper route
>> and headed to the bike shop about 3 miles away on my blue single-speed.
>>
>>
>> I knew the bike I wanted, a gold English Racer (another name we used back
>> then for 10-speed bikes), but I cannot remember the brand. At the shop, I
>> was ready to nail down my purchase, but the owner said “Don’t you think
>> your father should be here with you?”
>>
>>
>> My reply: “Why? I know more about it than he does.”
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> + + + + + + + +
>>
>> Hudson Valley NY
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
>>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
>>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
>>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
>>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
>>> people in cars.
>>>
>>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>>>
>>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
>>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
>>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
>>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
>>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Steven Sweedler]

I delivered the New Haven Register, 7 days a week for a couple of years,
also filled in for a friend who delivered the Journal Courier, 5
mornings/week. Used my Humber.  Steve

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
> --
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Looking for a source for these washers

[Ray Varella]

Thanks Garth,
I’m pretty sure you are right about them being proprietary parts made by 
Nitto.
I’m going to play with some nylon spacers from my local hardware store. 
I have the correct hardware for the load bearing struts. Nylon is pretty 
tough. 
Then I’ll look for some aluminum spacers to modify. 

Cheers,
Ray

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:17:30 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Ray, the closest thing I've found to those Nitto washer would be the 
> Dia-Compe half moon washers. The rear one has the most radius, they specify 
> front or rear.
> https://porkchopbmx.com/search.php?search_query=half+moon+washer
>
> If you need that exact washer you pictured, I think those are Nitto 
> products meant to fit their hardware precisely. 
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:17:55 AM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone. 
>> Unfortunately, I only need the washer with the radiused groove. 
>>
>> I’ll try and find some spacers I can modify. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>> Ray
>>
>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 9:49:21 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud---bolt---each-bicycle_mounted_rack_part_nitto__870-018/p
>>>
>>> Ben's always has Nitto stuff .  
>>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud---bolt---each-bicycle_mounted_rack_part_nitto__870-018/p
>>>
>>> Alex's and Blue Lug in Japan has them also.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Ray

 Compass has these, dont know if they fit rack struts.  Rene Herse 
 Fender Eyebolts – Rene Herse Cycles 
   
 I recall from a JanH post, RH fender stays are 5mm OD.

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ


 On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:21:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Here are a few places that sell these
>
>- Velo Orange 
>
> 
>  -- 
>Out of stock
>- Sim Works  -- Out of 
>stock
>- Soma 
>
> 
>  -- 
>In stock
>- Rivendell 
>
> 
>  
>-- Out of stock
>
>
> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:13:44 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> [image: 1514BBD7-2E74-469D-B9DF-C1E1B02AF6C5.jpeg]Does anyone know 
>> of a source for these washers, they come with Nitto rack and strut 
>> hardware. 
>> I seem to recall a post either here or on the Bob list about them but 
>> can’t locate it. 
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Canti Levers // Black // Pair // $110 shipped

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

SOLD. Thanks

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:43:10 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Lightly used, a couple small scratches. $110 shipped (USPS Priority Mail) 
> or $100 local pickup NYC. 
>
> [image: FullSizeRender.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Winter Project - Looking For Parts

[Matthew P]

Nice score! 
I don't know what is best for acquiring parts, but it might help to give 
some of your preferences on the parts and it might strike a chord with list 
members that they have such a part.
Not to say that you have to say a specific part, but like, wheel size, 
brake type etc., like you did for the handlebars.
Good luck and keep us posted!
-Matthew
first successful rides on my atlantis this weekend!!

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> I was able to track down my first riv this summer — second-hand Atlantis 
> frame! Needless to say, I am thrilled and have been following this thread 
> for a while looking at inspiration during the bike hunting phase.
>
> I'm about to embark on the parts collecting stage of this build so I can 
> noodle away this winter and thought I should shoot a note into the ether 
> and see if anyone has stuff collecting dust in their respective bins they 
> may be looking to unload (ideally in BC/Canada to keep shipping affordable, 
> if possible). 
>
> The plan, tentatively, is to set it up very upright, swept-back with big 
> ol' knobby tires and a responsible amount of gearing. I live in Kelowna, BC 
> and we have a wonderful selection of trails and fire roads around here 
> which I've been exploring on my All-city Spacehorse the past few years and 
> am looking forward to making this ride a fair bit more plushy and relaxed.
>
> Glad to be part of the Owners Bunch for real now! 
>
> Here's a pick of it sitting on my desk after unboxing day:
>
> [image: 65032918793__9F6A0224-5257-44D5-AD51-DC216B4A6525.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Jeffrey Arita]

I had a paper route starting in 1976 to late 1977 (junior high school 
years).  Number of papers (The Ontario, CA-based *Daily Report, *long since 
swallowed up into another owner and name) varied between 25 to 27, IIRC.  
It was $3.35 per month and it was many times a bear to collect those funds 
from some folks.  My buddy who gave me that part of the route simply 
advised me to "throw the paper on the roof - you can say you *delivered *it."  
I never had the heart to do so - I guess in retrospect I should have thrown 
it on the roof!
 
So my route covered several very flat miles (rural housing with mild 
traffic) so I *inherited* my middle brother's Schwinn Varsity 10-speed (you 
know, the green one).  The bicycle obviously made deliveries easy *and *fast.  
An interesting factoid: I don't think I ever got a flat tire on that 
bike(!).  In fact, I rode that darned thing sometimes to and from Junior 
High School.  Never carried a pump, tools or spares.  Sheesh!

Carried the papers in a canvas double-pouched bag (front and back).  Loaded 
up the papers to be balanced.  When the front pouch was empty I would 
rotate it around for the remaining batch of papers (all on the fly while 
rolling).  For this paper, it was 7 days per week and the Sunday Edition 
(typically dropped off Saturday evening) was extra thick and heavy, loaded 
with advertisements and coupons.  I disliked Sunday mornings, but it was 
what it was.  My route was in Southern California where it rarely rained, 
but when it did I had to place each paper in a plastic bag and wrap it with 
a rubber band.  Took extra time to obviously do that.  The Sunday edition 
would barely fit inside those plastic bags.

It was a daily chore (Monday through Friday was always after school) and 
because I threw relatively few papers, I ended up earning only about $1 per 
day.  I had to pay all costs (wholesale cost of papers, plastic bags, 
rubber bands, etc.) upfront.  After paying those bills and collecting what 
was owed me, I simply kept the surplus.  It ended up being about +$27 per 
month.  I do recall that the guy who delivered the bulk papers to me was an 
*older* college kid.  He was amazing as he would always deliver my bundle 
early - it would always be sitting outside our door when I got off the 
school bus or rode home (on my brother's Schwinn Varsity).

I can understand today why one has to do it in a vehicle: that person 
probably delivers hundreds, if not thousands per day, all over a large 
geographical region.

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Patrick Moore]

Dave: What year was this of paper delivery and new "English racer"? I
remember "English racers" circa 1962 or 1963 because a friend's father had
what must have been a Raleigh Sport, which to me at 7 or 8 was something
unfathomably adult and exotic and far away; not even quite a bicycle in the
regular meaning of the word, when he and my friend and I took little rides
around our neighborhood.

My friend's father must have been an USA or USAAF serviceman who spent time
in England (he also came back to Prince George's County, MD with an English
wife).

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:28 AM David Hallerman 
wrote:

> Paper boy? That was me in NYC, the borough of Queens, delivering the
> long-dead “New York World-Telegram & Sun” to about 35 homes. This was a
> semi-suburban section of Queens, and most of my customers lived in
> single-family, or at least ground entrance, homes. And the afternoon paper
> had no Sunday edition, so that was my day off.
>
>
> I cycled to each delivery on my black Rudge 3-speed and, after a time, on
> some anonymous single-speed with high handlebars that made it easy to tie
> on my white canvas paper bag. (Seems I always had multiple bikes.)
>
>
> I never threw the paper towards anyone’s front door. Instead, I walked up
> and put each day’s paper inside the customers’ screen doors or any other
> places they asked the paper to be left in. My artisanal style of paper
> delivery increased the size of my tips.
>
>
> Best bike memory associated with paper delivery: The gift my friends gave
> me for my bar-mitzvah was money to buy my first 10-speed bike, $55 back
> then. On the day I planned to buy the bike, I zoomed through my paper route
> and headed to the bike shop about 3 miles away on my blue single-speed.
>
>
> I knew the bike I wanted, a gold English Racer (another name we used back
> then for 10-speed bikes), but I cannot remember the brand. At the shop, I
> was ready to nail down my purchase, but the owner said “Don’t you think
> your father should be here with you?”
>
>
> My reply: “Why? I know more about it than he does.”
>
>
> Dave
>
> + + + + + + + +
>
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
>> people in cars.
>>
>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>>
>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[David Hallerman]

Paper boy? That was me in NYC, the borough of Queens, delivering the
long-dead “New York World-Telegram & Sun” to about 35 homes. This was a
semi-suburban section of Queens, and most of my customers lived in
single-family, or at least ground entrance, homes. And the afternoon paper
had no Sunday edition, so that was my day off.


I cycled to each delivery on my black Rudge 3-speed and, after a time, on
some anonymous single-speed with high handlebars that made it easy to tie
on my white canvas paper bag. (Seems I always had multiple bikes.)


I never threw the paper towards anyone’s front door. Instead, I walked up
and put each day’s paper inside the customers’ screen doors or any other
places they asked the paper to be left in. My artisanal style of paper
delivery increased the size of my tips.


Best bike memory associated with paper delivery: The gift my friends gave
me for my bar-mitzvah was money to buy my first 10-speed bike, $55 back
then. On the day I planned to buy the bike, I zoomed through my paper route
and headed to the bike shop about 3 miles away on my blue single-speed.


I knew the bike I wanted, a gold English Racer (another name we used back
then for 10-speed bikes), but I cannot remember the brand. At the shop, I
was ready to nail down my purchase, but the owner said “Don’t you think
your father should be here with you?”


My reply: “Why? I know more about it than he does.”


Dave

+ + + + + + + +

Hudson Valley NY

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 12:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
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> ---
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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Lucky Turnip]

I can't speak to the topic of paper boys, specifically, as ours have also
been folks in cars, but the delivery-related thing I am starting to see in
my neighborhood is Door Dash, Amazon, and other delivery folks on bicycles.
I notice these people because they are not "bike messenger types" on
fixies, they're typically people of all ages and body types riding regular
mass produced mountain bike type things. The last guy I saw was wearing a
construction hard hat in lieu of a helmet. He did have a good assortment of
lights on his rig, an unremarkable modern Schwinn.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 9:11 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Looking for a source for these washers

[Garth]

Ray, the closest thing I've found to those Nitto washer would be the 
Dia-Compe half moon washers. The rear one has the most radius, they specify 
front or rear.
https://porkchopbmx.com/search.php?search_query=half+moon+washer

If you need that exact washer you pictured, I think those are Nitto 
products meant to fit their hardware precisely. 
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:17:55 AM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:

> Thank you everyone. 
> Unfortunately, I only need the washer with the radiused groove. 
>
> I’ll try and find some spacers I can modify. 
>
> Cheers 
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 9:49:21 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud---bolt---each-bicycle_mounted_rack_part_nitto__870-018/p
>>
>> Ben's always has Nitto stuff .  
>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud---bolt---each-bicycle_mounted_rack_part_nitto__870-018/p
>>
>> Alex's and Blue Lug in Japan has them also.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> Compass has these, dont know if they fit rack struts.  Rene Herse 
>>> Fender Eyebolts – Rene Herse Cycles 
>>>   
>>> I recall from a JanH post, RH fender stays are 5mm OD.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:21:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here are a few places that sell these

- Velo Orange 

 
  -- 
Out of stock
- Sim Works  -- Out of 
stock
- Soma 

 
  -- 
In stock
- Rivendell 

 
  
-- Out of stock


 On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:13:44 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:

> [image: 1514BBD7-2E74-469D-B9DF-C1E1B02AF6C5.jpeg]Does anyone know of 
> a source for these washers, they come with Nitto rack and strut hardware. 
> I seem to recall a post either here or on the Bob list about them but 
> can’t locate it. 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
>


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[RBW] LTB bullmoose quil

[Paul Armijo]

Looking to buy a
*NITTO* rivendell bullmoose bar (thread)

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 9:32 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Several entries have reminded me that there actually wasn't a huge gulf
> between my 'kid on a bike' days and 'being a bikey' but in those days I
> didn't understand there was a thing called cycling, we just rode our bikes.
>
> Leah's story reminded me of the welder guy on our block, which is where
> all the parents in the neighborhood bought Sting-Rays for their kids. He
> had a garage that was open all day and half the night and there were always
> dozens of bikes and frames in there. I don't know how he got them all - in
> N. Long Beach, CA. in the late-'60s you probably weren't going to ask the
> big guy with a welding torch in his hand too many questions - but he would
> weld the snapped downtubes back together, get some spray paint on there and
> sell it to your dad. Then - this was the heyday of Evel Knievel jumping
> buses - we would set up ramps in the alley and break them again!
>
> Later I had a Sears 10-speed and a succession of Schwinn Varsitys and
> Continentals. My first job (like most boys then) was delivering newspapers
> on a Schwinn. Little kids at 4am wobbling down the street with huge heavy
> bags on the handlebars - crashing regularly, especially with Sunday papers
> - is unimaginable now, but we did it!
>
> So that's the kid part of my story.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 3:41:27 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> A friend on PM asked how I got from the "flashy roadies" beginning of
>> this story to Rivendell so here's that (slightly edited) answer:
>>
>> It was kind of a long gestation that overlapped the Riv world before that
>> was a thing. The cool road bikes at the time were lugged steel and that
>> first Bianchi I noticed was definitely friction shift, probably Campy. I
>> was young and poor so I found older Motobecanes, Centurions and such and
>> did the drop-bars-and-lycra thing.
>>
>> In the late '80s I discovered Bridgestone, which as you know was Grant
>> trying to hold onto sensible lugged steel bikes as the industry was about
>> to tumble headlong into "rad" aluminum road (not many) and mountain
>> (everybody had one) bikes.
>>
>> So I stuck there with my lycra. I had a couple different used Bstones, my
>> first new-as-an-adult bike was a closeout XO-3 with moustache handlebars,
>> this was right after Bstone USA closed. At that point I was already signed
>> up for Grant's Bridgestone Owners Bunch, which morphed into us early
>> adopters getting the Rivendell Reader. Riv World!
>>
>> Fast forward: Still lycra, drop bars came stock but I probably switched
>> to moustache at some point, my first Riv was a Romulus I got new from a
>> dealer in Dublin in 2003. This had a Brooks B17 which was a stunning
>> revelation for me. Soon I was in Riv shorts and a few years after that I
>> started with pullback bars. That's my story, I'm a Riv lifer! 
>>
>> Attached is a pic of a much younger and fitter me with my Rom. Apparently
>> I thought matching blue tires were cool! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 1:48:18 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Will has an interesting post in the the recent Riv Newsletter about how
>>> he and some friends first noticed bikes and got into them. After your
>>> initial foray as a kid with a bike, what was the thing that made you notice
>>> them later and turn you into an adult-person-cyclist?
>>>
>>> Mine is similar to Will's as a young man in Los Angeles, except it was
>>> the flashy riders in "tight clothes" I picked up on. I vividly recall being
>>> stopped on Pacific Coast Highway somewhere south of Long Beach (probably on
>>> a motorcycle) and watching all the roadies go by, this would be early '80s.
>>> This one guy went by on a green (actually celeste blue, but I didn't know
>>> that at the time) Bianchi with matching bar tape and riding gear. That was
>>> the moment I - a car and motorcycle nut - realized bicycles were a thing,
>>> too. A very cool thing, and you got a workout in the process!
>>>
>>> I was hooked, what hooked you?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 2020 Appaloosa Paint

[Johnny Alien]

I know Grant has always said he preferred to use red nail polish on 
blemishes but I never liked that look. I am OK with less than perfect 
matches but not the purposeful call out like that.

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 12:41:51 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

> *I think I remember a video of Mark or Grant (found it here) 
>  doing a repair like this: 
> light blue frame that gets chips filled with blobs of red nail polish.* This 
> is a "visible mending" repair which is awesome and becoming a style of 
> sorts (more for clothing, see the last paragraph below). 
>
> The only larger paint resource for Rivendells seems to be here: 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html (referenced by Rivbike here: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/frame-colors-frame-colors)
> And it does not have a particular color for Appaloosa's. 
>
> That said, I have tried color matching on a few bikes by rolling it into a 
> hobby shop and picking 2 or 3 testors colors then mixing and matching 
> knowing that it won't quite be right. Always looks great from 6' away, easy 
> to notice from 1' away. Worked GREAT on a Cheviot (orange) and just okay on 
> a Hillborne (gray-blue). 
>
> If you do your own paint repair with nail polish or testors paint, then I 
> strongly recommend:
> (1) fill the chip with thin layers of paint until it is just proud of the 
> surface of the original paint. In other words, make that little paint blog 
> that is too tall.
> (2) Reduce it to level with the original paint using some mineral oil on a 
> cloth that doesn't lose any threads - I use a credit card to give the cloth 
> some consistent pressure to keep the paint smooth. This is more art than 
> science. If you go completely wrong then just use a little more mineral oil 
> to remove all the fresh paint and start over. 
> This is better described by a company that sells what appears to be very 
> expensive mineral oil:
>
> http://www.langka.com/index.php/2013-01-31-22-19-00/2013-01-31-22-22-24/9-instructions/9-scratchesmethod1theoriginalmethod-drymethod
>
> "*Visible mending" repairs are awesome*: 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/style/visible-mending.html. From that 
> article: "Showing off your patches, visible menders say, draws attention to 
> the way a garment’s life span has been extended. It also subverts the 
> notion, long held, that mended clothes are worn by the poor, while the 
> height of luxury is buying a new wardrobe every season. 'We’re saying the 
> opposite with our mended clothes,' Ms. Sekules said. 'The pride in the look 
> of a mended thing, that’s pretty recent. That’s now.' "
>
> Visible repairs show off that you use your bike while maybe acting as a 
> minor theft deterrent, all good stuff. 
>
> Stickers over chips also work nicely. 
>
> Take care,
> Abe
>
>
> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 09:13:41 UTC-7 André P wrote:
>
>> I'm personally a fan of just doing clear nail polish to cover scratches 
>> as it keeps it rust free and lets you not worry so much about the next time 
>> it gets scratched.
>>
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 8:46:57 AM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> I foolishly forgot to set he limiting screws o the front derailleur of 
>>> my orange 2020 Appaloosa before loaning it to my nephew to ride with me. He 
>>> shifter beyond the small ring dropping the chain that wedged between the 
>>> crank and the chain stay. My fault. Darn. 
>>> Later at home I pulled the drive side releasing the chain and discovered 
>>> a large gouge in the chain stay. Does anybody have an idea of the best 
>>> Testor's or other match for the 2020 orange to touch it up and prevent 
>>> rust? It's behind the smallest wheel of the crank so barely visible but I 
>>> certainly don't want to neglect it.
>>> Thanks.
>>> David in Buffalo, New York
>>>
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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Patrick M]

Thank you for putting in the time, this is awesome!

Pat
On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 1:08:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>
> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the site. 
> Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>
> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>
> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have anything 
> that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>
>
>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>- Frame brochures
>   - 1995 frames mailer
>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>   - Rambouillet
>   - Romulus
>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>   - An early frame paint chart
>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>- Flyers
>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>- Ads
>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>
>
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Re: [RBW] What made you a bikey?

['John O'shea' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For me my initial foray into becoming a "Bike Person" was building up a
fixed gear conversion at a local bike co-op and becoming involved in
fixed-gear culture which led me to become more informed that there was such
a thing as bike culture and that there were dozens of facets to it. The
facets of bike culture I've subscribed to have radically changed since then
but that was what made me "bikey"



On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> For me it was  seeing road cyclists out training on Whitney Ave. in Hamden
> and New Haven, Ct. Most or all were on the Yale cycling team, and they
> would wave to me when I was riding my Humber Clipper Grand Prix that I got
> in 1964. Steve
>
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Will has an interesting post in the the recent Riv Newsletter about how
>> he and some friends first noticed bikes and got into them. After your
>> initial foray as a kid with a bike, what was the thing that made you notice
>> them later and turn you into an adult-person-cyclist?
>>
>> Mine is similar to Will's as a young man in Los Angeles, except it was
>> the flashy riders in "tight clothes" I picked up on. I vividly recall being
>> stopped on Pacific Coast Highway somewhere south of Long Beach (probably on
>> a motorcycle) and watching all the roadies go by, this would be early '80s.
>> This one guy went by on a green (actually celeste blue, but I didn't know
>> that at the time) Bianchi with matching bar tape and riding gear. That was
>> the moment I - a car and motorcycle nut - realized bicycles were a thing,
>> too. A very cool thing, and you got a workout in the process!
>>
>> I was hooked, what hooked you?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
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[RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Patrick Moore]

Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
people in cars.

http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html

I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)



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[RBW] Re: New to the forum

[Navin Nestle]

Gabriel, I see that Monkey Wrench bottle, are you a Nebraskan?? What a bike.

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 10:43:55 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Here's a side view to see the upslope on the top tube.  I'm not able to 
> post two photos at once-- I must need to reduce file size.
>
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 10:40:57 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier 
> wrote:
>
>> Welcome and thank you for sharing that history, Kazu!  What an amazing 
>> setup on your Mountain!  
>>
>> I learned about the Mountain years ago when I was reading the first 
>> issues of the Rivendell Reader.  I immediately wanted one, but assumed that 
>> desire would go unmet due to the rarity of the bike.  In January 2020 I 
>> cold-called a forum member who had mentioned he had one, and very soon 
>> after it was mine.  According to the Waterford serial number it is a '96 
>> model, built in March.  It is my daily rider, and it always brings a smile 
>> to my face as I'm peddling along.  I've attached a photo of my setup here-- 
>> the saddle bag is the SlimSucker and it does a great job accommodating 
>> items that exceed its actual dimensions! :)
>>
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[RBW] Re: sticky thing for keeping headbadge on bike

[Navin Nestle]

JB Weld is a great adhesive for headbadges. Jen Green doesn't shy away from 
it.

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-5 Scott McLain wrote:

> I am with Garth.  Silicone adhesive seams like it would be better than two 
> way tape/adhesive.  Just my $0.02.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 8:33:57 AM UTC-6 Christopher Cote wrote:
>
>> I've had to reattach all the glued-on headbadges on my Riv bikes. I use 
>> 3M auto trim tape, available at auto parts stores, and of course at Amazon. 
>> Works perfectly, and comes in reasonably sized (and priced) rolls. I find 
>> many uses around the house and shop for the remainder of the roll. 
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 8:46:30 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> My cheviot fell off my Cheviot. Thankfully, I saw it about to go and 
>>> grabbed it, sheepie is not sitting forlornly on the side of a road 
>>> somewhere. 
>>>
>>> I need to replace the double-sided sticky rubber thing they use to keep 
>>> the headbadges on. Anyone know what it is, or have a better solution? 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Dee Dee]

Woo! This is great, thanks!

-Danny

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Person  wrote:

> Quite the labor of love.  Thanks for the time and effort it took to
> accomplish.
>
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:11:13 AM UTC-7 mathie...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Looking forward to digging-in.
>>
>> Thank you for the time and effort, Eric.
>>
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 12:08 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell
>>> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures.
>>>
>>> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at
>>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the
>>> site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera.
>>>
>>> He created a new link (the old one still works!):
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>>
>>> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have
>>> anything that we haven't included please send me a DM.
>>>
>>>
>>>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>>>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>>>- Frame brochures
>>>   - 1995 frames mailer
>>>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>>>   - Rambouillet
>>>   - Romulus
>>>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>>>   - An early frame paint chart
>>>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>>>- Flyers
>>>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>>>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>>>- Ads
>>>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>>>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW decal kits - where to source?

[jki...@marathon-gold.com]

While Rivendell may sell them to you, I'd be surprised if they'll deliver 
them to anyone other than a bike paint shop, and maybe one they recognize.  
I'm planning on repainting my long-in-the-tooth Homer in the next year or 
2, and i was advised to get my painter in touch with Riv world HQ.

On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 5:35:11 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> You would get decals from Rivendell.  They may have them and they may 
> not.  If they have them, they will be physical decals.  Bombadils were sold 
> with thin 'paint over' decals, and were also sold with 'over paint' 
> stickers.  If they have them and if they recognize that you bought a 
> Bombadil from them, then I'm sure they will sell them to you.  If they 
> don't have them, then I don't know what other alternatives they will have 
> for you.  You should call them.  If you are already in the process of 
> paying Joe Bell to execute your repaint, then there would be no harm in 
> asking him to source the decals and add the decalwork to your bill.   
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 1:29:37 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Hey all - I wasn't totally sure who I should be going to, whether it 
>> would be Riv themselves, Joe Bell, or another party who does the logo work 
>> for RBW; and figured someone here has surely been through this process 
>> already!  Also, I'm curious for those who have, whether you received the 
>> artwork in digital file form and had them printed locally, or whether RBW 
>> or their vendor supplied ready to stick.  
>>
>> Yes... this is Bombadil decal kit related!  I actually emailed Will @ Riv 
>> about it months ago but never heard back, and wanted to know who I should 
>> be asking before I bug him again. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
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[RBW] FS: Riv/Blue Lug Hat - Olive

[Jonah Cohn]

Doesn't fit my small head, so am selling it for what I paid!

$60 - Venmo or Paypal 

Thanks! 

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[RBW] Re: RBW decal kits - where to source?

[Navin Nestle]

Wow, Andy with the sourcing. If you couldn't get them from Riv, a local 
designer could take that ^ and recreate it. That Bombadil is a rare beast. 
Jealous!

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:04:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> See Screen Specialty, Inc. 
>
> Look at the menu items across the top of the homepage, go to Bicycle 
> Restoration. It's under R for Rivendell, it's the last one. 
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-09-01 at 10.59.55 AM.png]
> Read their caveats and perhaps talk to them and see if someone at RBW HQ 
> can suffice verbal provenance for them. Talke to them at teh Philly Bike 
> Expo, very nice folks with an astute approach and product selection. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 3:29:37 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Hey all - I wasn't totally sure who I should be going to, whether it 
>> would be Riv themselves, Joe Bell, or another party who does the logo work 
>> for RBW; and figured someone here has surely been through this process 
>> already!  Also, I'm curious for those who have, whether you received the 
>> artwork in digital file form and had them printed locally, or whether RBW 
>> or their vendor supplied ready to stick.  
>>
>> Yes... this is Bombadil decal kit related!  I actually emailed Will @ Riv 
>> about it months ago but never heard back, and wanted to know who I should 
>> be asking before I bug him again. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Jacob t]

The top tube protector on your Appaloosa is incredible.

On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 11:50:41 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> And one more...
>
> [image: DSC_0039.JPG]
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[RBW] FS: Riv/Blue Lug Hat - Olive

[Jonah Cohn]

Unfortunately the hat doesn't fit my small head. It's yours for what I 
paid! $60 shipped. Venmo or Paypal. 

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a source for these washers

[Ray Varella]

Thank you everyone. 
Unfortunately, I only need the washer with the radiused groove. 

I’ll try and find some spacers I can modify. 

Cheers 
Ray

On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 9:49:21 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud---bolt---each-bicycle_mounted_rack_part_nitto__870-018/p
>
> Ben's always has Nitto stuff .  
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud---bolt---each-bicycle_mounted_rack_part_nitto__870-018/p
>
> Alex's and Blue Lug in Japan has them also.
>
> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Ray
>>
>> Compass has these, dont know if they fit rack struts.  Rene Herse Fender 
>> Eyebolts – Rene Herse Cycles 
>>   I 
>> recall from a JanH post, RH fender stays are 5mm OD.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:21:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a few places that sell these
>>>
>>>- Velo Orange 
>>>
>>> 
>>>  -- 
>>>Out of stock
>>>- Sim Works  -- Out of 
>>>stock
>>>- Soma 
>>>
>>> 
>>>  -- 
>>>In stock
>>>- Rivendell 
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>-- Out of stock
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:13:44 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 [image: 1514BBD7-2E74-469D-B9DF-C1E1B02AF6C5.jpeg]Does anyone know of 
 a source for these washers, they come with Nitto rack and strut hardware. 
 I seem to recall a post either here or on the Bob list about them but 
 can’t locate it. 

 Thank you 
 Ray

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your lockable commuter thread

[luckyturnip]

I always enjoy this thread. The one thing I’ve noticed is that is really hard 
for bike nerds, especially those who appreciate the Riv aesthetic, to avoid 
turning even the beaterist of beaters into some version of eye candy.
Even my son rides a clean 90’s Rockhopper to school, I tried putting him on a 
super ugly lower end bike and he couldn’t get into it. “Rides terribly,” he 
said, and he’s not into bikes. He’s just had the luxury of experiencing nicer 
bikes. 
So I invested in Pitlocks all around, and a good U-Lock, and hope that’s 
deterrent enough to move on, in the High School bike rack at least.
*not that I want any kids’ bikes stolen, Pitlocks or no*

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 07:35, Ryan  wrote:
> 
> Toshi...I devoutly hope so too, for your sake. But your lovely Cheviot is 
> tempting eye-candy.
> 
> I'm going back to a downtown university tomorrow...I'm a retired student 
> studying linguistics and I have one evening class on Mondays. My 2 non-rivs 
> are a 70's PX-10 set up as a single speed which is mechanically perfect but 
> deliberately grubby-looking and a 1993 X0-1. Much as I'd like the convenience 
> of riding my bike to school, leaving it locked up for 3 hours stresses me 
> out...so I'll walk to class and bus home. Bike theft is always a problem 
> downtown and the pandemic has kind of exacerbated the situation.
> 
>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 6:58:06 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>> I'm hoping my beautiful Cheviot is not beautiful to would-be robbers. 
>> 
>> Toshi
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your lockable commuter thread

[Ryan]

Toshi...I devoutly hope so too, for your sake. But your lovely Cheviot is 
tempting eye-candy.

I'm going back to a downtown university tomorrow...I'm a retired student 
studying linguistics and I have one evening class on Mondays. My 2 non-rivs 
are a 70's PX-10 set up as a single speed which is mechanically perfect but 
deliberately grubby-looking and a 1993 X0-1. Much as I'd like the 
convenience of riding my bike to school, leaving it locked up for 3 hours 
stresses me out...so I'll walk to class and bus home. Bike theft is always 
a problem downtown and the pandemic has kind of exacerbated the situation.

On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 6:58:06 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm hoping my beautiful Cheviot is not beautiful to would-be robbers. 
>
> Toshi
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[RichS]

Hi Mike, 

I'm a sucker for classic machines like this so I'll second Patrick's 
compliment on your gorgeous Romulus. Thoughtfully assembled as well with a 
thoroughly broken in Brooks. The second photograph is a real grabber with 
the colors and your lean, elegant Rom in front of that field of massive 
leaves. Thanks for making my day!
  
Best,
Rich in ATL
On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 5:22:40 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely. Thanks for sharing. And, good to see a good ol' Romulus.
>
> Someone besides me should produce an expensive, large-format coffee-table 
> book featuring the best "Share Your Riv" photos, with loving descriptions 
> of frame and build to accompany the photos. A Rivendell answer to BQ's 
> library.
>
> Photos like these make me want to overcome my habitual incompetence in the 
> art.
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 12:49 AM Kushan  wrote:
>
>> Labor day weekend riding in Lime Ridge Open Space, Walnut Creek
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 9:14:04 AM UTC-7 mrb wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_.jpeg]
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[RBW] WTB: 13 cm stem

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In search of a Tallux 13cm stem with a 25.4 clamp.

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[RBW] Re: Parts bin clean out: Nitto S65, Shimano derailers, R599 front brakes, Schwalbe G-one Speed tires, ergon, pletscher, sunrace

[RichS]

Email sent on the Tiagra derailer.

Thanks very much.
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 10:39:24 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

>
> Nitto S65 seatpostand MKS pedals are sold.
> Two Fish bottle cage and HG200 cassette pending sale
> Random cranks, Tange BB, and v-brakes set pending
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 12:34:32 UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> [image: BC931D82-73D8-46EE-8B71-B5F1460B96E0.jpeg]Schwalbe  G-One Speed 
>> tires:
>> Pair of 700 x 38mm - moderate wear (maybe 400 miles?)  ($75)
>> Pair of 650b x 60mm - new ($100)
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 5 September 2021 at 11:44:44 UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>>> Email sent on MKS pedals, Alivio rear and Ergon grips.
>>> What size G-One Speed tires?
>>> Thanks,
>>> David Lipsky
>>> Berkeley
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 10:15:49 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 These are all bits that were on or meant for my Rivendells (Sam, 
 Cheviot, Rosco Baby) or similar bikes (Jamis steel frame bikes since 
 donated to friends). Links to Craigslist posts with some more details and 
 PHOTOS. Price is before shipping, local pick up (in SF Bay Area, *Napa*, 
 Sonoma, or Berkeley) is preferred. 

 Make me an offer for multiples or if my prices seem off. 

 Seat Post: Nitto S65 Crystal Fellow 27.2mm x 250mm long - zig zag marks 
 on the lower half of the post from inserting/removing it. *($40* 
 
 *)*

 Cassettes:  
 

- Sunrace MX8 NEW 11 speed, Silver, 11-46t ($60)
- Shimano LIKE NEW CS-HG200, 9-Speed, 11-32 teeth *($10)*

 Bike Mirror 
 
 : Mirrycle Mountain *($7* 
 
 *)*

 Bottom brackets:  
 

- *2 x *Shimano UN55 

 
 - 68 x 110mm  

 
*($15)*
- Tange BB 68 x 107mm - *($* 

 *1
  
with any other item)*

 Tektro Cable Hanger, *new* in the bag, 1" with barrel adjuster, 
 cantilever *($6* 
 
 *)*

 Derailers: 
 

- Shimano Tiagra 

 
  Silver RD-4500 
9-speed long cage *($15)* - if this fits your cassette or you want 
to use with a roadlink extender, it's a very nice polished looking 
derailer, I'd use a melamine sponge to remove the branding for full 
 silver 
polished look.
- Alivio rear RD-M4000 -  

 
*($15)* - came off a nearly unused Kona Coco, nice chain wrap and 
gear range.
- Suntour front derailer double road - worked nicely to shift a 
46/30t double crankset. *($5)*

 Delta Cycle Stem Raiser Riser Pro Extender Head Up *($10* 
 
 *)*

 MKS large toe clips pair - straps and bolts included *($15)* 
 
 MKS Sylvian touring pedals 9/16” *($20* 
 
 *)*

 TwoFish The Quick Vinyl Coated Cage *($10* 
 
 *)*

 JTEK ShiftMate 6 - cable pull modifier *($40* 
 
 *)* - This model is for mating Shimano shifters with SRAM 1:1 
 derailleurs or SRAM non-road shifters with Shimano derailleurs. It will 
 also let you run Shimano 10 speed road STI with Shimano MTN 10 Dyna-Sys 
 derailleurs and Shimano or SRAM cassettes.

 Sunrace v-brake levers silver from Rivendell *($20* 
 
 *)* - 

[RBW] Silver shifter to thumb mounts - on semi-complicated way

[EricP]

Realized that the bar end mount for the Silver shifter on the Hillborne 
wasn't working for me. Mechanically it was fine, just have grown out of the 
habit of bar-ends. Plus, I wanted to try different grips (Ergon) that would 
be a pain to modify for the shifter.

So, after some searching through the parts bin found a SunRace (SR) thumb 
shifter. Well, it uses a post similar to the bar end and looked close to 
the one Rivendell used to sell. So I tried it. It works! With one huge 
caveat. The post that comes stock on the SunRace is just a touch shorter 
than the post used on the bar end Rivendell sells (or the Shimano 
equivalent). This is important as without the slightly longer post you 
can't torque the shifter down enough to get the lower part to not wiggle. 
It's just a slight wiggle, but it's there. (This is the 16 position part 
that the Rivendell website mentions.) 

Maybe everyone knew this and it's been discussed to death, but if you want 
to mount a Silver to a thumb mount, this might be the cheapest way right 
now.

Now, this was just done this morning and I won't get out until this 
afternoon for a ride, so if it doesn't work, will report back later. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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