[RBW] **UPDATE** New Clem Parts for sale

[Ron Frazelle]

***Updated what has sold and added sizes that were left out*** 

So, I drove up to Riv on Monday and picked up my new Clem, I am now an 
official owner and not just an admirer! 

Anywho, I bought the complete build but had already bought a bunch of my 
own parts to build a frame and fork. So, I am selling a lot of the 
brand-new parts that I have removed. 

Buyer pays shipping. Only shipping to CONUS :)

Rivendell Silver 34/24t Crank (173mm) w/ chainguard - $190
Tektro Quartz V-Brake - $40 (for both wheels)
Tektro (wide blade) levers - $20 (pair)
Alex DM24 36 hole 700c/29er wheelset with Novatech hubs and skewers - $220 
(pair)
Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm tires - $40 (pair)
Deore front derailleur - $30
Sunrace rear 11-34 cassette - $30
Sunrace thumbie - $40
Nitto Talux stem (110mm) - $50
Shimano Acera trigger rear shifter - $40
Tosco handlebars - $50 **SOLD**
Shimano UN300 (113x68) bottom bracket - $20

*From my own parts bin...*

Used Brooks C-17 Special - $90

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem Smith Jr Parts for sale

[Ron Frazelle]

Hey guys,

The stem is 110mm and I think is spoken for...but haven't received his zip
for shipping. I will let you know if I don't hear anything by tomorrow.

The cranks are 173mm...seems small for a 59cm, but alas... that's what was
spec'd.

Ron

"Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." -
Grant Petersen



On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 8:17 PM Drw  wrote:

> opposite of Kai, if the cranks are <175mm, id take them.
>
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 7:55:42 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations on the new Bike!
>> What length are the Silver cranks you're selling? 178mm I hope...
>> And while I'm not shopping for a stem, what's the size on that for all
>> that may be in the market?
>> Thanks
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-5 fraze...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> So, I drove up to Riv on Monday and picked up my new Clem, I am now an
>>> official owner and not just an admirer!
>>>
>>> Anywho, I bought the complete build but had already bought a bunch of my
>>> own parts to build a frame and fork. So, I am selling a lot of the
>>> brand-new parts that I have removed.
>>>
>>> Buyer pays shipping. Only shipping to CONUS :)
>>>
>>> Rivendell Silver 34/24t Crank w/ chainguard - $190
>>> Tektro Quartz V-Brake - $40 (for both wheels)
>>> Tektro (wide blade) levers - $20 (pair)
>>> Alex DM24 700c/29er wheelset with Novatech hubs and skewers - $220 (pair)
>>> Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm tires - $40 (pair)
>>> Deore front derailleur - $30
>>> Sunrace rear 11-34 cassette - $30
>>> Sunrace thumbie - $40
>>> Nitto Talux stem - $50
>>> Shimano Acera trigger rear shifter - $40
>>> Tosco handlebars - $50
>>> Shimano UN300 (113x68) bottom bracket - $20
>>>
>>> *From my own parts bin...*
>>>
>>> Used Brooks C-17 Special - $90
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> [image: PXL_2027_200606128.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Clem Smith Jr Parts for sale

[Drw]

opposite of Kai, if the cranks are <175mm, id take them. 

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 7:55:42 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Congratulations on the new Bike!
> What length are the Silver cranks you're selling? 178mm I hope...
> And while I'm not shopping for a stem, what's the size on that for all 
> that may be in the market?
> Thanks
> -Kai
>
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-5 fraze...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> So, I drove up to Riv on Monday and picked up my new Clem, I am now an 
>> official owner and not just an admirer! 
>>
>> Anywho, I bought the complete build but had already bought a bunch of my 
>> own parts to build a frame and fork. So, I am selling a lot of the 
>> brand-new parts that I have removed. 
>>
>> Buyer pays shipping. Only shipping to CONUS :)
>>
>> Rivendell Silver 34/24t Crank w/ chainguard - $190
>> Tektro Quartz V-Brake - $40 (for both wheels)
>> Tektro (wide blade) levers - $20 (pair)
>> Alex DM24 700c/29er wheelset with Novatech hubs and skewers - $220 (pair)
>> Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm tires - $40 (pair)
>> Deore front derailleur - $30
>> Sunrace rear 11-34 cassette - $30
>> Sunrace thumbie - $40
>> Nitto Talux stem - $50
>> Shimano Acera trigger rear shifter - $40
>> Tosco handlebars - $50
>> Shimano UN300 (113x68) bottom bracket - $20
>>
>> *From my own parts bin...*
>>
>> Used Brooks C-17 Special - $90
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> [image: PXL_2027_200606128.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem Smith Jr Parts for sale

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Congratulations on the new Bike!
What length are the Silver cranks you're selling? 178mm I hope...
And while I'm not shopping for a stem, what's the size on that for all that 
may be in the market?
Thanks
-Kai

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-5 fraze...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all, 
>
> So, I drove up to Riv on Monday and picked up my new Clem, I am now an 
> official owner and not just an admirer! 
>
> Anywho, I bought the complete build but had already bought a bunch of my 
> own parts to build a frame and fork. So, I am selling a lot of the 
> brand-new parts that I have removed. 
>
> Buyer pays shipping. Only shipping to CONUS :)
>
> Rivendell Silver 34/24t Crank w/ chainguard - $190
> Tektro Quartz V-Brake - $40 (for both wheels)
> Tektro (wide blade) levers - $20 (pair)
> Alex DM24 700c/29er wheelset with Novatech hubs and skewers - $220 (pair)
> Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm tires - $40 (pair)
> Deore front derailleur - $30
> Sunrace rear 11-34 cassette - $30
> Sunrace thumbie - $40
> Nitto Talux stem - $50
> Shimano Acera trigger rear shifter - $40
> Tosco handlebars - $50
> Shimano UN300 (113x68) bottom bracket - $20
>
> *From my own parts bin...*
>
> Used Brooks C-17 Special - $90
>
> Thanks! 
> [image: PXL_2027_200606128.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Doug H.]

Thank you Johnny. Riv picked a good color for this model.
Doug

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:37 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

>
> Beautiful bike Doug!!
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:58:19 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> My wife said my Clem is a pickle! ha.
>>
>> Thanks Oli!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>>  I love that color! Even better than, dare I admit it, the lime Platys!
>>> It’s not the same color; the Platy color isn’t as bright. I do so love a
>>> bright color…
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> It really is crazy. It looks different depending on the lighting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking good! That color is CRAZY.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady.
 Clem Ride 

 Doug

 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object!
>
> Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the
>> time change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny 
>> photos.
>> I did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that
>> and a bag of chips!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos
>>> with us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll
>>> love that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
>>>
>>> Up next: a Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.
 Clem 

 Doug

 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front
> rack as the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the 
> rear.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard
> wrote:
>
>> You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my
>> recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance 
>> gets tight
>> at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, you 
>> can see
>> in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her GravelKings and
>> fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it looks way 
>> narrower than
>> your 2.5 knobbies.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the
>>> Pletscher Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If 
>>> anyone has
>>> one to sell please let me know.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5
>>> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same
 thing happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd 
 ordered
 and read Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it 
 was a
 freebee or a mistake.

 Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 

 MATHIEU BROWN



 On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H. 
 wrote:

> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took
> almost three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy 
> to get it
> as it has been on my radar to read.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5
> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a
>> FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's so cool!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 

Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Johnny Alien]

Beautiful bike Doug!!
On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:58:19 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Leah,
> My wife said my Clem is a pickle! ha. 
>
> Thanks Oli!
>
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>  I love that color! Even better than, dare I admit it, the lime Platys! 
>> It’s not the same color; the Platy color isn’t as bright. I do so love a 
>> bright color…
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>
>> It really is crazy. It looks different depending on the lighting. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Looking good! That color is CRAZY. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady. 
>>> Clem Ride 
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object! 

 Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard

 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the 
> time change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny 
> photos. 
> I did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that 
> and a bag of chips! 
> Doug
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos 
>> with us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll 
>> love that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
>>
>> Up next: a Platypus!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.  
>>> Clem 
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack 
 as the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
 Doug

 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my 
> recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
> tight 
> at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, you 
> can see 
> in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her GravelKings and 
> fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it looks way 
> narrower than 
> your 2.5 knobbies.  
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the 
>> Pletscher Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If 
>> anyone has 
>> one to sell please let me know.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5 
>> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same 
>>> thing happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd 
>>> ordered 
>>> and read Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it 
>>> was a 
>>> freebee or a mistake. 
>>>
>>> Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 
>>>
>>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H.  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took 
 almost three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to 
 get it 
 as it has been on my radar to read.
 Doug

 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 
 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a 
> FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!
>
> Ben
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
>
> It's so cool!!!
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Johnny,
>> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which 
>> is in transit from Rivendell.
>> Clem L 

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Ryan]

I think, for me, Ben, you hit the nail on the head about Clems. I totally 
get why people like them. I think Riv found a good niche here...and if I 
had kids who ride bikes , investing in a Clem would be the ticket, rather 
than the flashy, lesser kid's bikes that have cheap versions of suspension, 
disk brakesetc.  that really aren't necessary in 99% of real world 
ridingask Leah and her sons. For me at this stage, I already have 
enough and maybe too many bikes. For Rivendell's sake, I am glad they're 
doing so well, and it doesn't hurt that Leah is such an eloquent 
marketer...and I know  she's not blowing smoke. I admit with all these 
groovy builds they're growing on me, however. 

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 5:26:48 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just saw this, and am still analyzing it. As I see it, for a given height, 
> Filipinos (mi madre was Filipina) have the shortest legs, Swedes longer, 
> and black Africans the longest. When I sit, I am as tall from seat up as -- 
> if not 1/2" taller than -- my 6'1" bro in law surnamed Hansen.
>
> Someone else suggested that I'd be to short for a 59 and, anyway, that 
> even 59s will not take true 700C X 3"/76mm tires, which are a given for my 
> next (God willing) build.
>
> Too bad. I'd love a Clem-type with long rear dropouts and room for 3" 
> tires at 13 psi. Lovely.
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:11 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well I hope you’re not asking ME.  I think it’s well-known around here 
>> that I just ride the bikes. Let me reply with a nonsensical answer then!
>>
>> I can tell you that my sister with her Swedish/German Anglo build is 5’8” 
>> and can ride the 59 Clem L that belongs to her husband  who is 6’2” with a 
>> Nigerian build. But, he bought her the 52 Clem L for their anniversary, so 
>> that she would stop riding his 59 Clem L. 
>>
>> There. Solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Perhaps more helpful: my perfect level tt road bike frame size is 60 X 56 
>> c-c. My built road bikes have 57 and 58 cm c-c tts with Riv-type slightly 
>> upsloping tts. Please help me translate this into Clems.
>>
>> And again, how fat a tire will a 700C 59 cm Clem take?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ..Aside: "59cm - 86 to 96cm; 700c rim size, but with room for "29er" 
>>> tires." I've never measured my pbh because I've known forever what st size 
>>> and tt size make a bike fit me. But I'm 5'10" tall with Asian build (I wear 
>>> 34 w 32 length jeans instead of v-versa; if I had an Anglo build I'd be 
>>> 6'1" ), so would I fit a 59?
>>>
>>> And, if so, how fat a 700C tire will a 59 cm Clem take?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini 650b conversion

[Kushan]

Thanks Joe and Eric. I guess my Roadini will be going up for sale soon :) 

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 12:04:50 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I know you asked Eric but I'll chime in anyway, it's what I do!
>
> I think the Roadini is a fine road bike as is, and will work great for 
> someone else if your needs have changed and you need bigger tires, fenders, 
> and brakes that will work with both in wet weather. There's a lot of 
> v-brake Rivs that fit that picture, plus disc bikes like the Pass Hunter. 
> You're gettin' a new bike! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 11:17:09 AM UTC-8 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for your thoughts so far. This is shaping up to be a more 
>> complicated change than I thought (but then again, aren't all bike changes 
>> are?) ... 
>>
>> Joe - I like your suggestion of using centerpulls. I actually thought 
>> that center pull required dedicated braze-on on frames but a quick research 
>> indicated that they can be fork crown mounted similar to calipers.
>>
>> Eric - The discussion so far is definately dissudaing me but out of 
>> curiousity - does your take on low stopping power with long reach calipers 
>> + wet rims extend to center pull brakes as well? I am wondering if it woul 
>> be better off getting a disc braked bike (e.g. VO Pass Hunter) instead of 
>> mucking around with 650bs on Roadini. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 10:15:12 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Long reach calipers + wet rims = no noticeable stopping power.  Not 
>>> recommended, even if you can live with a very low bottom bracket. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, Kushan  wrote:
>>>
 Hi all -

 I currently own a 2020 Roadini (61 cm) with 38 mm slick tires. I have 
 tried 32 mm and 35 mm in past but find 38 mm perfect in terms of comfort 
 vs. speed trade off. I am planning to move to the land of daily rain 
 (Seattle!!) in a near future and have been told that permanent fenders are 
 a must have for getting any real use out of the bike. 

 The problem is that I don't want to use 32 mm tires (which is the 
 advertised max clearance with fenders) for this frame. I am contemplating 
 if conversion to 650b wheels will give me sufficient clearance for 38 mm 
 tires with fender (smaller frame 650b Roadinis are known to clear upto 42 
 mm). 

 My questions to the group are:
 - Is this even an option or would the chain/seat stays and fork will 
 simply not cover this much tire + fenders?
 - Based on Rivendell 650b conversion guide, the conversion should be 
 straightforward by switching to long reach caliper brakes and bottom 
 bracket will have sufficient clearance for 170 mm cranks. However, I 
 wanted 
 to see if anyone has attempted this conversion before and what their 
 experience was. 

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[RBW] Re: LF Single Speed Frame

[Doug H.]

Looks great Bones. I really like that green.
Doug

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 2:36:58 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> Mission accomplished. Received the frame last week and just about finished 
> building it this morning. I need to slap some fenders on and adjust the 
> cockpit and then I should be good to go. There is definitely more tire 
> clearance than I expected so I may look into that down the road, but these 
> Shikoros (38mm) are tough and roll great so I am happy for now.
>
> [image: simpleone.jpg]
> Bones
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:39:59 PM UTC-5 tommc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> i'm looking for a 58 or 60 wabi, when you find your unicorn, let me know!
>> -Thomas
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-6 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> The Wabi I've been commuting on is perfect in spirit but it's just too 
>>> small. If anyone has a frame for sale (i.e. 62-64 Quickbeam, Simpleone ~ 
>>> whatever for 80cm saddle height), I'd be interested. Similarly, if anyone 
>>> can point to something else that might fit the bill, I'd appreciate it. The 
>>> forthcoming Roaduno looks like it would be perfect, but I'm not sure I can 
>>> hold out that long. I've got lots of single speed stuff and my commute is 
>>> short and flat so I'd really like to stick with a SS frame.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Joe Bernard]

Will shifting with his foot is so Will. I'm not trying that, the results 
would be hilarious and painful! 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:50:01 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Gill - This is great. Tell us which color you ended up with; I’d love to 
> see the bike. Riding your Clem like a scooter…well, that’s got to be a 
> first, though in today’s newsletter Will from Riv WAS riding his Susie 
> around shifting with his foot, so strangeness abounds.
>
> I think $1650 for a Clem is an absolute steal. Don’t hate me, but I paid 
> far less than that for mine. The first owner was out East and had bought 
> his 52 blue Clem L on impulse. No sooner had he assembled it and ridden it 
> a week than he was listing it for sale. A paltry $960. I offered to buy it, 
> and he agreed. Too much time went by, and sure enough, he had changed his 
> mind, decided to keep the Clem. But a day or two later he felt like he 
> wouldn’t ride it enough and offered it to me again.
>
> It has lived with me ever since. October of 2019. Best money I ever spent!
>
> Leah
>
> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:29 PM, Gill  wrote:
>
> 
>
> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone 
> who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought 
> a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability 
> were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and 
> now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in 
> comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be 
> a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the 
> granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what 
> you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment 
> stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and 
> thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is 
> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends 
> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of 
> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay 
> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero. 
>
> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever 
> you need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot 
> hall of fame bike. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
>> relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser 
>> investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative 
>> with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would 
>> you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?  
>> Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While 
>> most do not, many do just that. 
>>
>> Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are 
>> no duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of 
>> them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
>> assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 
>>
>> When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt 
>> like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint 
>> handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my Bombadil 
>> needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single 
>> color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was 
>> worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had 
>> Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base to 
>> paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original decals 
>> either so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I 
>> liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The Susie orange is a mildly 
>> burnt/dull offering. I expected something brighter . boo hoo hoo ! 
>>
>> Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and 
>> anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint 
>> over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like 
>> the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given a 
>> blank canvas some may find it overwhelming at first but after that 
>> first step into the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well . 
>> such is the Living as Life Itself. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:12:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a bit of history which I think will be interesting for this 
>>> thread in light of how beautiful and colorful and modernized these bicycles 
>>> have become: 
>>>
>>> In the Blahg or Peeking Through The Knothole or whatever it 

Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Doug H.]

Leah,
My wife said my Clem is a pickle! ha. 

Thanks Oli!

Doug

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>  I love that color! Even better than, dare I admit it, the lime Platys! 
> It’s not the same color; the Platy color isn’t as bright. I do so love a 
> bright color…
>
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>
> It really is crazy. It looks different depending on the lighting. 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Looking good! That color is CRAZY. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady. 
>> Clem Ride 
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object! 
>>>
>>> Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the time 
 change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny photos. I 
 did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that 
 and 
 a bag of chips! 
 Doug

 On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos with 
> us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll love 
> that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
>
> Up next: a Platypus!
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.  
>> Clem 
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack 
>>> as the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my 
 recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
 tight 
 at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, you 
 can see 
 in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her GravelKings and 
 fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it looks way narrower 
 than 
 your 2.5 knobbies.  

 Joe Bernard

 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the 
> Pletscher Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If 
> anyone has 
> one to sell please let me know.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5 
> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same 
>> thing happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd 
>> ordered 
>> and read Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it was 
>> a 
>> freebee or a mistake. 
>>
>> Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 
>>
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H.  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took 
>>> almost three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to 
>>> get it 
>>> as it has been on my radar to read.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 
>>> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a 
 FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!

 Ben

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

 It's so cool!!!



 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Johnny,
> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which 
> is in transit from Rivendell.
> Clem L 
> 
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
> 

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Doug H.]

Patrick,
You are correct about tire pressure. I pumped front to 40 and rear to 35 
and it was too stiff. I'm getting used to wide tires again and so 25/20 
sounds about right. On tire width my assessment about Clem was too 
generous, it would not take much more than 2.6 as was mentioned above.

My wife called my Clem a Pickle and that does describe the color! Not sure 
I'll stick with that name but tonight I rode the Pickle in the dark. Yikes.
Doug

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:39:28 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Isn't 25 psi high for anything above 50 mm ...? I rarely pump my 62 mm 
> actual Big Ones up to 25 for pavement only; 20 is usual, for mixed sandy 
> dirt and pavement, and for dirt only, 18. 41 mm actual 26" Naches Pass: 35 
> and 40 and were it not for our expansion cracks, 30 and 35. 28 mm actual 
> 26" Elk Pass: 50-55. The WTB Rangers on skinny rims at 13 to 15. My former 
> Conti and Michelin 22s actual at 80/90.
>
> This after suffering for years on 35 mm Fatboys pumped to 110 psi because 
> that's what it said on the sidewall. Talk about bouncy! (And try getting 
> 100+ into Fatboys with the original issue Blackburn Airstik!)
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 10:53 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on 
>> roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front 
>> at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are 
>> better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie Bars 
>> on it but now I'm satisfied with the Toscos. I have them angled downward a 
>> bit which is comfortable to me. The MKS Monarch pedals are good too but I 
>> may try another flat pedal that is wider and flatter at some point, maybe 
>> even add some color bling like Leah has done on hers. Not much else to 
>> report yet but so far so good! 
>> Doug
>> Athens, GA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 9:29:46 PM UTC-5 Gill wrote:
>>
>>> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to 
>>> anyone who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I 
>>> bought a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road 
>>> capability were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s 
>>> beauty and now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and 
>>> truncated in comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, 
>>> enough to be a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to 
>>> ride the granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem 
>>> does what you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune 
>>> moment stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home 
>>> and thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is 
>>> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends 
>>> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of 
>>> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay 
>>> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero. 
>>>
>>> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever 
>>> you need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot 
>>> hall of fame bike. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
 relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a 
 lesser 
 investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative 
 with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would 
 you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?  
 Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While 
 most do not, many do just that. 

 Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are 
 no duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest 
 of 
 them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
 assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 

 When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt 
 like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint 
 handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my 
 Bombadil 
 needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single 
 color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was 
 worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had 
 Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base 
 to 
 paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original 
 decals 
 either so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I 
 liked in the Clementine 

Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Leah Peterson]

 I love that color! Even better than, dare I admit it, the lime Platys! It’s 
not the same color; the Platy color isn’t as bright. I do so love a bright 
color…

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
> 
> It really is crazy. It looks different depending on the lighting. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>> Looking good! That color is CRAZY. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>> A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady. 
>>> Clem Ride
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
 We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object! 
 
 Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
 
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
> There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the time 
> change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny photos. I 
> did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that 
> and a bag of chips! 
> Doug
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos with 
>> us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll love 
>> that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
>> 
>> Up next: a Platypus!
>> Leah
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>> Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.  Clem
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
 Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack as 
 the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
 Doug
 
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
> You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my 
> recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
> tight at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, 
> you can see in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her 
> GravelKings and fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it 
> looks way narrower than your 2.5 knobbies.  
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the Pletscher 
>> Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If anyone has 
>> one to sell please let me know.
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5 
>>> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same thing 
>>> happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd ordered 
>>> and read Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it 
>>> was a freebee or a mistake. 
>>> 
>>> Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 
>>> 
>>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H.  
 wrote:
 I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took almost 
 three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to get it 
 as it has been on my radar to read.
 Doug
 
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 
> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
> So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a 
> FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!
> 
> Ben
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> It's so cool!!!
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>> Johnny,
>>> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which 
>>> is in transit from Rivendell.
>>> Clem L
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
 wrote:
 I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in 
 you for providing no photos with this post.
 
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5 
> oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for it. 
> 
>> On 

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Leah Peterson]

Gill - This is great. Tell us which color you ended up with; I’d love to see 
the bike. Riding your Clem like a scooter…well, that’s got to be a first, 
though in today’s newsletter Will from Riv WAS riding his Susie around shifting 
with his foot, so strangeness abounds.

I think $1650 for a Clem is an absolute steal. Don’t hate me, but I paid far 
less than that for mine. The first owner was out East and had bought his 52 
blue Clem L on impulse. No sooner had he assembled it and ridden it a week than 
he was listing it for sale. A paltry $960. I offered to buy it, and he agreed. 
Too much time went by, and sure enough, he had changed his mind, decided to 
keep the Clem. But a day or two later he felt like he wouldn’t ride it enough 
and offered it to me again.

It has lived with me ever since. October of 2019. Best money I ever spent!

Leah

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:29 PM, Gill  wrote:
> 
> 
> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone who 
> asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought a clem 
> for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability were the 
> inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and now find 
> traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in comparison. For 
> me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be a quality bike but 
> not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the granite strewn trails of 
> cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what you ask of it. Out last 
> week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment stripping the crank so I push 
> rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and thought it still rode nice. Can’t 
> offer build inspiration as my clem is still stock. All I’ve done is 
> reposition the shifters to below the bends freeing up hand space. This has 
> made a big difference for any sort of aggressive riding/climbing, works well 
> for long descents too as you can lay forearms flush on swept back and be 
> comfortably aero. 
> 
> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever you 
> need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot hall of 
> fame bike. 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>> Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
>> relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser 
>> investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative 
>> with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would 
>> you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?  
>> Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While most 
>> do not, many do just that. 
>> 
>> Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are no 
>> duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of 
>> them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
>> assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 
>> 
>> When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt like 
>> hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint handy. It 
>> was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my Bombadil needs too, 
>> some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single color. no 
>> decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was worse in 
>> person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had Jack 
>> @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base to paint 
>> it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original decals either 
>> so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I liked in 
>> the Clementine soda pop Orange. The Susie orange is a mildly burnt/dull 
>> offering. I expected something brighter . boo hoo hoo ! 
>> 
>> Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and anything 
>> else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint over and/or 
>> accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like the idea of a 
>> "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given a blank canvas 
>> some may find it overwhelming at first but after that first step into 
>> the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well . such is the 
>> Living as Life Itself. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:12:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Here's a bit of history which I think will be interesting for this thread 
>>> in light of how beautiful and colorful and modernized these bicycles have 
>>> become: 
>>> 
>>> In the Blahg or Peeking Through The Knothole or whatever it was called 
>>> then, the original murmurings about the new, lower cost TIG-ed Riv was that 
>>> it would be painted flat black. The idea was you could use it as a beater 
>>> townie and touch it up with a spray can. I think - 

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Joe, will check out their numbers.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 4:40 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You need a Gus or Susie/Wolbis to do the fat-tire Riv thing. They claim
> 2.8 will fit, I had knobby 2.5's on my Susie and there was a decent amount
> of room left. Nice bikes, beautiful fillet welds, get one.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Doug. The situation is doubtful, alas. The present Monocog takes
>> the 3" WTB Rangers with ~3mm to spare between stays at rear, but then the
>> tires are mounted on 24 mm OW Alex rims; I'm sure that on 35mm+ rims they'd
>> expand to full 3" plumpness, and one goal is new, wide rims and a frame to
>> match; no need for fenders, but at least 5 mm between tire and stay. Oh,
>> and also, no substitutes, 700C.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:24 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> I would say a 2.8 inch tire would fit. Maybe 3 inch but it would be
>>> tight...this is on my 52.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:12:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 
 
 
 Well I hope you’re not asking ME.  I think it’s well-known around here
 that I just ride the bikes. Let me reply with a nonsensical answer then!

 I can tell you that my sister with her Swedish/German Anglo build is
 5’8” and can ride the 59 Clem L that belongs to her husband  who is 6’2”
 with a Nigerian build. But, he bought her the 52 Clem L for their
 anniversary, so that she would stop riding his 59 Clem L.

 There. Solved.



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 

 Perhaps more helpful: my perfect level tt road bike frame size is 60 X
 56 c-c. My built road bikes have 57 and 58 cm c-c tts with Riv-type
 slightly upsloping tts. Please help me translate this into Clems.

 And again, how fat a tire will a 700C 59 cm Clem take?

 On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:39 PM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> ..Aside: "59cm - 86 to 96cm; 700c rim size, but with room for "29er"
> tires." I've never measured my pbh because I've known forever what st size
> and tt size make a bike fit me. But I'm 5'10" tall with Asian build (I 
> wear
> 34 w 32 length jeans instead of v-versa; if I had an Anglo build I'd be
> 6'1" ), so would I fit a 59?
>

> And, if so, how fat a 700C tire will a 59 cm Clem take?
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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Joe Bernard]

You need a Gus or Susie/Wolbis to do the fat-tire Riv thing. They claim 2.8 
will fit, I had knobby 2.5's on my Susie and there was a decent amount of 
room left. Nice bikes, beautiful fillet welds, get one. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Doug. The situation is doubtful, alas. The present Monocog takes 
> the 3" WTB Rangers with ~3mm to spare between stays at rear, but then the 
> tires are mounted on 24 mm OW Alex rims; I'm sure that on 35mm+ rims they'd 
> expand to full 3" plumpness, and one goal is new, wide rims and a frame to 
> match; no need for fenders, but at least 5 mm between tire and stay. Oh, 
> and also, no substitutes, 700C.
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:24 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> I would say a 2.8 inch tire would fit. Maybe 3 inch but it would be 
>> tight...this is on my 52.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:12:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well I hope you’re not asking ME.  I think it’s well-known around here 
>>> that I just ride the bikes. Let me reply with a nonsensical answer then!
>>>
>>> I can tell you that my sister with her Swedish/German Anglo build is 
>>> 5’8” and can ride the 59 Clem L that belongs to her husband  who is 6’2” 
>>> with a Nigerian build. But, he bought her the 52 Clem L for their 
>>> anniversary, so that she would stop riding his 59 Clem L. 
>>>
>>> There. Solved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Perhaps more helpful: my perfect level tt road bike frame size is 60 X 
>>> 56 c-c. My built road bikes have 57 and 58 cm c-c tts with Riv-type 
>>> slightly upsloping tts. Please help me translate this into Clems.
>>>
>>> And again, how fat a tire will a 700C 59 cm Clem take?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 ..Aside: "59cm - 86 to 96cm; 700c rim size, but with room for "29er" 
 tires." I've never measured my pbh because I've known forever what st size 
 and tt size make a bike fit me. But I'm 5'10" tall with Asian build (I 
 wear 
 34 w 32 length jeans instead of v-versa; if I had an Anglo build I'd be 
 6'1" ), so would I fit a 59?

>>>
 And, if so, how fat a 700C tire will a 59 cm Clem take?

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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Patrick Moore]

Isn't 25 psi high for anything above 50 mm ...? I rarely pump my 62 mm
actual Big Ones up to 25 for pavement only; 20 is usual, for mixed sandy
dirt and pavement, and for dirt only, 18. 41 mm actual 26" Naches Pass: 35
and 40 and were it not for our expansion cracks, 30 and 35. 28 mm actual
26" Elk Pass: 50-55. The WTB Rangers on skinny rims at 13 to 15. My former
Conti and Michelin 22s actual at 80/90.

This after suffering for years on 35 mm Fatboys pumped to 110 psi because
that's what it said on the sidewall. Talk about bouncy! (And try getting
100+ into Fatboys with the original issue Blackburn Airstik!)

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 10:53 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on
> roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front
> at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are
> better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie Bars
> on it but now I'm satisfied with the Toscos. I have them angled downward a
> bit which is comfortable to me. The MKS Monarch pedals are good too but I
> may try another flat pedal that is wider and flatter at some point, maybe
> even add some color bling like Leah has done on hers. Not much else to
> report yet but so far so good!
> Doug
> Athens, GA
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 9:29:46 PM UTC-5 Gill wrote:
>
>> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone
>> who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought
>> a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability
>> were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and
>> now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in
>> comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be
>> a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the
>> granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what
>> you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment
>> stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and
>> thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is
>> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends
>> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of
>> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay
>> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero.
>>
>> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever
>> you need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot
>> hall of fame bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still
>>> relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser
>>> investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative
>>> with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would
>>> you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?
>>> Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While
>>> most do not, many do just that.
>>>
>>> Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are
>>> no duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of
>>> them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the
>>> assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One.
>>>
>>> When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt
>>> like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint
>>> handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my Bombadil
>>> needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single
>>> color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was
>>> worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had
>>> Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base to
>>> paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original decals
>>> either so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I
>>> liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The Susie orange is a mildly
>>> burnt/dull offering. I expected something brighter . boo hoo hoo !
>>>
>>> Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and
>>> anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint
>>> over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like
>>> the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given a
>>> blank canvas some may find it overwhelming at first but after that
>>> first step into the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well .
>>> such is the Living as Life Itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:12:57 PM 

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Doug. The situation is doubtful, alas. The present Monocog takes
the 3" WTB Rangers with ~3mm to spare between stays at rear, but then the
tires are mounted on 24 mm OW Alex rims; I'm sure that on 35mm+ rims they'd
expand to full 3" plumpness, and one goal is new, wide rims and a frame to
match; no need for fenders, but at least 5 mm between tire and stay. Oh,
and also, no substitutes, 700C.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:24 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I would say a 2.8 inch tire would fit. Maybe 3 inch but it would be
> tight...this is on my 52.
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:12:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well I hope you’re not asking ME.  I think it’s well-known around here
>> that I just ride the bikes. Let me reply with a nonsensical answer then!
>>
>> I can tell you that my sister with her Swedish/German Anglo build is 5’8”
>> and can ride the 59 Clem L that belongs to her husband  who is 6’2” with a
>> Nigerian build. But, he bought her the 52 Clem L for their anniversary, so
>> that she would stop riding his 59 Clem L.
>>
>> There. Solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Perhaps more helpful: my perfect level tt road bike frame size is 60 X 56
>> c-c. My built road bikes have 57 and 58 cm c-c tts with Riv-type slightly
>> upsloping tts. Please help me translate this into Clems.
>>
>> And again, how fat a tire will a 700C 59 cm Clem take?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ..Aside: "59cm - 86 to 96cm; 700c rim size, but with room for "29er"
>>> tires." I've never measured my pbh because I've known forever what st size
>>> and tt size make a bike fit me. But I'm 5'10" tall with Asian build (I wear
>>> 34 w 32 length jeans instead of v-versa; if I had an Anglo build I'd be
>>> 6'1" ), so would I fit a 59?
>>>
>>
>>> And, if so, how fat a 700C tire will a 59 cm Clem take?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Patrick Moore]

Just saw this, and am still analyzing it. As I see it, for a given height,
Filipinos (mi madre was Filipina) have the shortest legs, Swedes longer,
and black Africans the longest. When I sit, I am as tall from seat up as --
if not 1/2" taller than -- my 6'1" bro in law surnamed Hansen.

Someone else suggested that I'd be to short for a 59 and, anyway, that even
59s will not take true 700C X 3"/76mm tires, which are a given for my next
(God willing) build.

Too bad. I'd love a Clem-type with long rear dropouts and room for 3" tires
at 13 psi. Lovely.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:11 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Well I hope you’re not asking ME.  I think it’s well-known around here
> that I just ride the bikes. Let me reply with a nonsensical answer then!
>
> I can tell you that my sister with her Swedish/German Anglo build is 5’8”
> and can ride the 59 Clem L that belongs to her husband  who is 6’2” with a
> Nigerian build. But, he bought her the 52 Clem L for their anniversary, so
> that she would stop riding his 59 Clem L.
>
> There. Solved.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Perhaps more helpful: my perfect level tt road bike frame size is 60 X 56
> c-c. My built road bikes have 57 and 58 cm c-c tts with Riv-type slightly
> upsloping tts. Please help me translate this into Clems.
>
> And again, how fat a tire will a 700C 59 cm Clem take?
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ..Aside: "59cm - 86 to 96cm; 700c rim size, but with room for "29er"
>> tires." I've never measured my pbh because I've known forever what st size
>> and tt size make a bike fit me. But I'm 5'10" tall with Asian build (I wear
>> 34 w 32 length jeans instead of v-versa; if I had an Anglo build I'd be
>> 6'1" ), so would I fit a 59?
>>
>> And, if so, how fat a 700C tire will a 59 cm Clem take?
>>
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Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Oli Cowling]

yes looking good, Doug.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 6:51 PM Doug Hansford 
wrote:

> It really is crazy. It looks different depending on the lighting.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Looking good! That color is CRAZY.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady.
>> Clem Ride 
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object!
>>>
>>> Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the time
 change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny photos. I
 did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that and
 a bag of chips!
 Doug

 On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos with
> us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll love
> that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
>
> Up next: a Platypus!
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.
>> Clem 
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack
>>> as the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my
 recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
 tight
 at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, you 
 can see
 in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her GravelKings and
 fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it looks way narrower 
 than
 your 2.5 knobbies.

 Joe Bernard

 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the
> Pletscher Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If 
> anyone has
> one to sell please let me know.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5
> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same
>> thing happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd 
>> ordered
>> and read Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it was 
>> a
>> freebee or a mistake.
>>
>> Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 
>>
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took
>>> almost three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to 
>>> get it
>>> as it has been on my radar to read.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5
>>> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a
 FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!

 Ben

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard 
 wrote:

 It's so cool!!!



 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Johnny,
> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which
> is in transit from Rivendell.
> Clem L
> 
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien
> wrote:
>
>> I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in
>> you for providing no photos with this post.
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5
>> oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for 

[RBW] Re: Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Ben Mihovk]

I'll tell you what I love about Clems (and Roadinis for that matter...) is 
that Rivendell comes right out and says that tig welding is just as 
good/strong as lugs, just not as pretty. They could blow smoke and talk 
about all the reasons why lugs are "better," but instead there's that super 
on-brand blunt honesty you see all over their website in product 
descriptions, catalogs, etc... Lugs are prettier and cost more to do, which 
is the only reason why lugged frames cost more.

Clems are cool. I don't have one, and I don't know that there's anything I 
want to do on a bike that a Clem would be better suited to than what I 
have, but I appreciate the heck out of them. 


Ben 
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wrote:

> [image: 84256557-932F-4AD7-99B6-8BE9DC178396.jpeg]Can we talk about the 
> Rivendell Clems for a minute? I hesitate as I write this, because opinions 
> on here tend to be strong, but I see this as a fun topic and worth 
> exploring. We can be nice, even if we disagree. I have been seeing Clems in 
> several colors, in a variety of configurations, all over Instagram. Blue 
> Lug and Helmet Kids are two of my favorite bike Instagram accounts, and 
> they frequently feature Clems on their group rides. Calling In Sick, a bike 
> magazine you’ve likely heard of, did an entire issue on the magic of the 
> Clem, which is also all over Instagram. I suppose it could be that Clem 
> popularity is imagined by me; I personally love Clems and therefore notice 
> them, so I’ll add that caveat here. But I really do think the Clems are 
> having their moment.
>
> When I first discovered Rivendell in 2012 the only social media I knew 
> about was the List.  The bikes were all lugged, and built with silver 
> parts. There was a definite prescribed look. The demographics of the group 
> were not exactly varied. There were few women, and even fewer in my age 
> bracket (early 30s).  But then Grant made the bike he said he’d never 
> make, and the TIG’d Clem was among us. With the coronation of the Clem, 
> those unable to afford a Rivendell suddenly could. I began seeing younger 
> people riding them. Baby seats began popping up on these bikes. (I felt 
> like I was the only one in the Rivendell world pulling my kid on my Betty 
> Foy in 2012.) And in several generations of Clems, the owners have now 
> taken that bike in new directions. Clems are for everyone! 
>
> The Clems are pure Rivendell in manners and ride, but they are divergent. 
> Black parts abound. 1x gearing. Trigger shifting. Young dudes shredding all 
> over the ‘Gram with them. Some lucky kids are riding them! My sons have 
> been raised on Clems (the H version, but we have the L version for when 
> they are grown). Worries over the step-through frame being considered “a 
> girl bike” seem to have been unfounded. (And in my family we have 2 giant 
> Clem Ls the men ride.) People seem to really love the versatility and ease 
> of a step-thru frame.
>
> I see the Clem as a Rivendell, modernized. 
>
> The colors have been brilliant; the Clem has never been subject to color 
> constraint. Atlantis bikes will be Atlantis green, but Clems are like 
> Skittles - we’ve had bright turquoise, black, orange (Clementines), creamy 
> mustard, a creamy blue, a glittery blue, grilver, lime, bronzey green… We 
> really do need a metallic red, but I digress…
>
> On my own Clem, I have been unafraid to put zany parts on it. Anything 
> goes. “It’s a Clem,” I say. I’ve got a red front hub and an orange rear 
> hub. Bright red pedals that look like shoes to me. I damaged the paint when 
> a U lock rubbed it off as we traveled, but I never think about it. I have 
> blue wire soldered into the black dyno wire and it will never irk me. I’ve 
> been way more picky about the appearance of my Platypus, but my Clem is 
> unhindered by rules.
>
> The newest Clems have just arrived at Riv HQ and I hope their owners will 
> delight us with photos and write ups here and on Instagram. I’m so excited 
> for another wave of customers to get to know these bikes. The Rivendell 
> Clems, those gentle giants, are so good to us.
>

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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Mike Davis]

I have no Clem, I do have a 2002 Atlantis and a 1990 El Capitan. One of the
real values of a Tig'ed frame is that you can do things that are
prohibitively expensive with lugs (ie requiring completely custom lugs or
accepting the compromise that might be needed for 26 inch legs and a long
body).  A custom tig frame is going to be more affordable than a custom
lugged frame.

I am interested in the Clem or the Platypus at this point in life.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:34 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Doug: I use Deity Black Kat pedals and they're great, I didn't like how
> narrow the MKS were. Deitys come in a bunch of colors, I think Leah has the
> cheaper Deftrap model which looks to be the same size as mine. Good stuff.
>
> Paul: That's a nice bike. Dig the green Ourys!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:53:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on
>> roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front
>> at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are
>> better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie Bars
>> on it but now I'm satisfied with the Toscos. I have them angled downward a
>> bit which is comfortable to me. The MKS Monarch pedals are good too but I
>> may try another flat pedal that is wider and flatter at some point, maybe
>> even add some color bling like Leah has done on hers. Not much else to
>> report yet but so far so good!
>> Doug
>> Athens, GA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 9:29:46 PM UTC-5 Gill wrote:
>>
>>> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to
>>> anyone who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I
>>> bought a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road
>>> capability were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s
>>> beauty and now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and
>>> truncated in comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650,
>>> enough to be a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to
>>> ride the granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem
>>> does what you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune
>>> moment stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home
>>> and thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is
>>> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends
>>> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of
>>> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay
>>> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero.
>>>
>>> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever
>>> you need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot
>>> hall of fame bike.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still
 relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser
 investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative
 with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would
 you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?
 Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While
 most do not, many do just that.

 Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are
 no duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of
 them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the
 assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One.

 When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt
 like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint
 handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my Bombadil
 needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single
 color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was
 worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had
 Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base to
 paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original decals
 either so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I
 liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The Susie orange is a mildly
 burnt/dull offering. I expected something brighter . boo hoo hoo !

 Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and
 anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint
 over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like
 the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given a

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Doug Hansford]

I’ll order a set of those Joe. And I agree about the green Oury grips, they 
look Rad.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Doug: I use Deity Black Kat pedals and they're great, I didn't like how 
> narrow the MKS were. Deitys come in a bunch of colors, I think Leah has the 
> cheaper Deftrap model which looks to be the same size as mine. Good stuff. 
> 
> Paul: That's a nice bike. Dig the green Ourys! 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:53:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on 
>> roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front 
>> at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are 
>> better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie Bars on 
>> it but now I'm satisfied with the Toscos. I have them angled downward a bit 
>> which is comfortable to me. The MKS Monarch pedals are good too but I may 
>> try another flat pedal that is wider and flatter at some point, maybe even 
>> add some color bling like Leah has done on hers. Not much else to report yet 
>> but so far so good! 
>> Doug
>> Athens, GA
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 9:29:46 PM UTC-5 Gill wrote:
>>> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone 
>>> who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought 
>>> a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability 
>>> were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and 
>>> now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in 
>>> comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be 
>>> a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the 
>>> granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what 
>>> you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment 
>>> stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and 
>>> thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is 
>>> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends 
>>> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of 
>>> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay 
>>> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero. 
>>> 
>>> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever you 
>>> need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot hall 
>>> of fame bike. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
 Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
 relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a 
 lesser investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be 
 creative with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car 
  would you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of 
 your own ?  Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design 
 ?  While most do not, many do just that. 
 
 Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are no 
 duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of 
 them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
 assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 
 
 When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt 
 like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint 
 handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my 
 Bombadil needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a 
 custom single color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, 
 which to me was worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some 
 frame work I had Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat 
 as a sanded base to paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't 
 like the original decals either so I left them off. About the only stock 
 Riv color I've seen that I liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The 
 Susie orange is a mildly burnt/dull offering. I expected something 
 brighter . boo hoo hoo ! 
 
 Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and 
 anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint 
 over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like 
 the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given 
 a blank canvas some may find it overwhelming at first but after that 
 first step into the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well . 
 such is the Living as Life Itself. 
 
 
 
 
 
> On Tuesday, November 16, 

Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Doug Hansford]

It really is crazy. It looks different depending on the lighting. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Looking good! That color is CRAZY. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady. 
>> Clem Ride
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object! 
>>> 
>>> Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
>>> 
 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
 There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the time 
 change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny photos. I 
 did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that 
 and a bag of chips! 
 Doug
 
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos with 
> us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll love 
> that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
> 
> Up next: a Platypus!
> Leah
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.  Clem
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>> Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack as 
>>> the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
 You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my 
 recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
 tight at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, 
 you can see in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her 
 GravelKings and fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it 
 looks way narrower than your 2.5 knobbies.  
 
 Joe Bernard
 
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the Pletscher 
> Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If anyone has one 
> to sell please let me know.
> Doug
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5 
>> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same thing 
>> happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd ordered 
>> and read Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it was 
>> a freebee or a mistake. 
>> 
>> Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 
>> 
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took almost 
>>> three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to get it 
>>> as it has been on my radar to read.
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 
 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a 
 FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!
 
 Ben
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>> 
> It's so cool!!!
 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> Johnny,
>> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which is 
>> in transit from Rivendell.
>> Clem L
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in 
>>> you for providing no photos with this post.
>>> 
 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5 
 oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
 i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for it. 
 
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 7:45 PM Doug H.  
> wrote:
> Thank you Oli. I hope you are enjoying your SimpleOne.
> Doug
> 
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:09:22 PM UTC-5 
>> oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Looking forward to this, Doug! Enjoy it 

Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Looking good! That color is CRAZY. 



On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady. 
> Clem Ride 
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object! 
>>
>> Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the time 
>>> change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny photos. I 
>>> did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that and 
>>> a bag of chips! 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos with 
 us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll love 
 that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.

 Up next: a Platypus!
 Leah

 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.  
> Clem 
>
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack 
>> as the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my 
>>> recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
>>> tight 
>>> at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, you can 
>>> see 
>>> in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her GravelKings and 
>>> fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it looks way narrower 
>>> than 
>>> your 2.5 knobbies.  
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the 
 Pletscher Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If 
 anyone has 
 one to sell please let me know.
 Doug

 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5 
 mathie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same thing 
> happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd ordered 
> and read 
> Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it was a freebee 
> or a 
> mistake. 
>
> Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 
>
> MATHIEU BROWN
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H.  
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took almost 
>> three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to get it 
>> as it 
>> has been on my radar to read.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 
>> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a 
>>> FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's so cool!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Johnny,
 Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which 
 is in transit from Rivendell.
 Clem L 
 

 Doug

 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
 wrote:

> I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in 
> you for providing no photos with this post.
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5 
> oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for it. 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 7:45 PM Doug H.  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Oli. I hope you are enjoying your SimpleOne.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:09:22 PM UTC-5 
>>> oli.c...@gmail.com 

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Joe Bernard]

Doug: I use Deity Black Kat pedals and they're great, I didn't like how 
narrow the MKS were. Deitys come in a bunch of colors, I think Leah has the 
cheaper Deftrap model which looks to be the same size as mine. Good stuff. 

Paul: That's a nice bike. Dig the green Ourys! 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:53:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on 
> roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front 
> at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are 
> better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie Bars 
> on it but now I'm satisfied with the Toscos. I have them angled downward a 
> bit which is comfortable to me. The MKS Monarch pedals are good too but I 
> may try another flat pedal that is wider and flatter at some point, maybe 
> even add some color bling like Leah has done on hers. Not much else to 
> report yet but so far so good! 
> Doug
> Athens, GA
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 9:29:46 PM UTC-5 Gill wrote:
>
>> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone 
>> who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought 
>> a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability 
>> were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and 
>> now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in 
>> comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be 
>> a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the 
>> granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what 
>> you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment 
>> stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and 
>> thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is 
>> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends 
>> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of 
>> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay 
>> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero. 
>>
>> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever 
>> you need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot 
>> hall of fame bike. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
>>> relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser 
>>> investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative 
>>> with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would 
>>> you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?  
>>> Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While 
>>> most do not, many do just that. 
>>>
>>> Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are 
>>> no duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of 
>>> them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
>>> assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 
>>>
>>> When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt 
>>> like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint 
>>> handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my Bombadil 
>>> needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single 
>>> color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was 
>>> worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had 
>>> Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base to 
>>> paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original decals 
>>> either so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I 
>>> liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The Susie orange is a mildly 
>>> burnt/dull offering. I expected something brighter . boo hoo hoo ! 
>>>
>>> Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and 
>>> anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint 
>>> over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like 
>>> the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given a 
>>> blank canvas some may find it overwhelming at first but after that 
>>> first step into the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well . 
>>> such is the Living as Life Itself. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:12:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Here's a bit of history which I think will be interesting for this 
 thread in light of how beautiful and colorful and modernized these 
 bicycles 
 have become: 

 In the Blahg or Peeking Through The 

[RBW] Re: FS Quill stems: Salsa P10, Nitto FacePlater, more!

[David Hallerman]

Quick update.

Sold as of 1:30pm (EST): Nitto FacePlater, Nitto Pearl 8.

Thanks!

On 11/18/21 11:32 AM, David Hallerman wrote:


Hi all!

Some wonderful and rare 1" quill stems here, with a mix of 26.0mm and 
25.4mm clamps. And some photos here: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4hd6t537VEUzjx5v6


Prices include shipping in CONUS if buyer covers Paypal fees. 
Questions quickly answered.


Smiles,

Dave, who is keeping certain V-O face-plate quill stems that allow for 
31.8 handlebars

+ + + + + + + +
Hudson Valley NY

==

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Ritchey, Profile Designs.
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*Stem angles* are up or neutral except for the Nitto Pearl group, 
marked D for down.

*Stems marked* with asterisks (*), find backstories below.

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* Nitto Pearl 8 (26.0) reach/80-90mm angle/17°D quill/145mm = $65 NEW
* Nitto Pearl 10 (26.0) reach/100-110mm angle/17°D quill/145mm = $65 NEW
* Nitto Pearl 10 (26.0) reach/100-110mm angle/17°D quill/145mm = $45 
excellent

Ritchey HL Steel (26.0) reach/110mm angle/5° quill/120mm = $40 excellent
* Profile Designs Steel (26.0) reach/110mm angle/5° quill/125mm = $45 
near-new


_*Backstories*_
* Salsa P10 = Rare stem, impeccable condition. Original owner here, 
and finally used it with my old BStone MB-2, but shortly after the 
Nitto FacePlater came out giving me more handlebar choices so I 
removed this P10 for now.
* Nitto FacePlater = I kept the larger clamp size, and should let this 
one go now.
* Salsa SUL Road = Again original owner, and when Salsa did a recall 
of this stem several years ago, I found this and another one I had 
were NOT listed for recall; so this one is a cool face plater.
* Specialized RockCombo = I bought my first bike online before the 
World Wide Web was even invented, and it was a RockCombo; no longer 
have the bike, but here's its stem awaiting your cool drop bar project.
* Nitto Pearl 8/10 = As most here likely know, but in case not, Nitto 
Pearl stems run longer than their name-designated sizes; hence marked 
reach and across-the-top reach both listed.
* Profile Designs = Again original owner, and I removed the stem's 
decal with some polishing needed after.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Large pedals, thumbs up

[luckyturnip]

If you hurry you can still get silver Bubbly pedals at Hope Cyclery’s webstore 
(as of right now)

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:11, Bones  wrote:
> 
> 
> SimWorks Bubbly pedals are awesome too (if you can get your hands on them!). 
> Large platform, grippy, and very well made. I have large narrow feet but I 
> still appreciate the extra real estate.
> 
> Bones
> 
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:02:40 PM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:
>> Thanks to Abe for the heads-up on currently available long/wide/thin pedal 
>> platform options.
>> 
>> I thought it might be worth mentioning to those who try to minimize pedal 
>> tread width that it seems like some of these uber-thin pedals have inner 
>> bearing/body dimensions that require feet to sit 5-10mm outboard of the 
>> inner surface of the crankarms, potentially adding 10-20mm of foot width. 
>> I'm not particularly sensitive to this, and though there have been times in 
>> bobbish/RBW  past when this was a hot topic, it doesn't surface regularly 
>> these days, just thought I'd point it out just in case. If that's something 
>> that bothers you, might be worthwhile looking for platforms that are flat 
>> all the way across the top.
>> 
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA  
>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:12 PM Pancake  wrote:
>>> Always looking for wider pedals for my 6E width feet, I've ended up with a 
>>> relatively affordable option that's as wide as I can find:
>>> Kona Wah Wah 2 (a.k.a., Wah Wah II) - 
>>> https://com.konaworld.com/product/accessories/pedals/wah-wah-2-composite/
>>> 
>>> Found for $50-65 online, these are about 120mm long x 118mm wide x 13mm 
>>> thick. 
>>> 
>>> They're basically a significantly wider/longer VP 001 or VP Vice pedal, but 
>>> in plastic composite (there's a more dear metal version too).
>>> Generic versions are available on Aliexpress and other sites for about half 
>>> the cost.
>>> 
>>> Wider and wiser,
>>> Abe
>>> 
> On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 06:52:45 UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
> I have some VP thin gripsters that are great and grippy but a friend 
> warned me they'll "eat your shoes".  I looked and he was right.  I wear 
> thin soled barefoot shoes like Five Fingers and Xero.  So I switched to 
> the plastic flats like Riv uses and I like them.  I've had the steel pins 
> eat my shins one too many times on a bumpy road.  I wore out the bearing 
> on one so I got another pair I've yet to put on.  Pedals are mismatched 
> for the time being but no one notices.  
> 
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Large pedals gets two thumbs up from me.  
>> I'm a big fan of the DEITY.  Either the Black Kats or Deftrap
>> I have a pair of the Black Kats on my Gus and will be swapping them for 
>> the Deftraps so the Black Kats can go on my wife's Cheviot 
>> 
>> https://www.deitycomponents.com/pedals.html
>> 
>>> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 4:07:06 PM UTC-6 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>> I've been a VP Harrier fan for some years now. They're wide in both 
>>> width and length, while still being fairly thin/low-profile. 
>>> Discontinued for some time now, there were also recall notices on the 
>>> web, but for versions evidently way older than mine.
>>> 
>>> Not sure there was ever an official VP replacement, but there are 
>>> p-l-e-n-t-y of wide/longer platform pedals in the world today, some 
>>> with significant pins, others not so much. Looks like a number of 
>>> duplicate plastic/composite candidates out there as well, which can be 
>>> an effective/cost-efficient way to evaluate a pedal before springing 
>>> for the full-metal experience.
>>> 
>>> Looking for flickr photos I'm realizing I tend to totally neglect pedal 
>>> pix, despite obsessively documenting ever other square millimeter of 
>>> hardware. Go figure.
>>> 
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yeah, focus solidly on the chainring/chain here. Pedals, schmedals!
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 12:52:35 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
 Over the years I’ve seen numerous comments on how comfortable larger 
 pedals are. 
 I’ve ridden standard sized pedals my whole life and never gave it much 
 though. 
 Since I’ve spent more and more time riding in thin soled sandals I 
 noticed a bit of discomfort (not pain) after riding for a couple 
 hours. 
 I bought a pair of Sylvan Gorditos from Crust and swapped out my 
 standard Sylvans. 
 After I got home from my first ride with them I realized i hadn’t 
 noticed any pressure where I used to. 
 Aside from that I didn’t give them a single thought while riding. 
 
 I see more big pedals in my future. 
 
 Ray
 
>>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Large pedals, thumbs up

[Bones]

SimWorks Bubbly pedals 
 
are awesome too (if you can get your hands on them!). Large platform, 
grippy, and very well made. I have large narrow feet but I still appreciate 
the extra real estate.

Bones

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:02:40 PM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Thanks to Abe for the heads-up on currently available long/wide/thin pedal 
> platform options.
>
> I thought it might be worth mentioning to those who try to minimize pedal 
> tread width that it seems like some of these uber-thin pedals have inner 
> bearing/body dimensions that require feet to sit 5-10mm outboard of the 
> inner surface of the crankarms, potentially adding 10-20mm of foot width. 
> I'm not particularly sensitive to this, and though there have been times in 
> bobbish/RBW  past when this was a hot topic, it doesn't surface regularly 
> these days, just thought I'd point it out just in case. If that's something 
> that bothers you, might be worthwhile looking for platforms that are flat 
> all the way across the top.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA  
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:12 PM Pancake  wrote:
>
>> Always looking for wider pedals for my 6E width feet, I've ended up with 
>> a relatively affordable option that's as wide as I can find:
>> Kona Wah Wah 2 (a.k.a., Wah Wah II) - 
>> https://com.konaworld.com/product/accessories/pedals/wah-wah-2-composite/
>>
>> Found for $50-65 online, these are about 120mm long x 118mm wide x 13mm 
>> thick. 
>>
>> They're basically a significantly wider/longer VP 001 or VP Vice pedal, 
>> but in plastic composite (there's a more dear metal version too).[image: 
>> Wah-Wah-2-38.jpg]
>> Generic versions are available on Aliexpress and other sites for about 
>> half the cost.
>>
>> Wider and wiser,
>> Abe
>>
>> On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 06:52:45 UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I have some VP thin gripsters that are great and grippy but a friend 
>>> warned me they'll "eat your shoes".  I looked and he was right.  I wear 
>>> thin soled barefoot shoes like Five Fingers and Xero.  So I switched to the 
>>> plastic flats like Riv uses and I like them.  I've had the steel pins eat 
>>> my shins one too many times on a bumpy road.  I wore out the bearing on one 
>>> so I got another pair I've yet to put on.  Pedals are mismatched for the 
>>> time being but no one notices.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 1:24:50 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Large pedals gets two thumbs up from me.  
 I'm a big fan of the DEITY.  Either the Black Kats or Deftrap
 I have a pair of the Black Kats on my Gus and will be swapping them for 
 the Deftraps so the Black Kats can go on my wife's Cheviot 

 https://www.deitycomponents.com/pedals.html

 On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 4:07:06 PM UTC-6 Paul Brodek wrote:

> I've been a VP Harrier fan for some years now. They're wide in both 
> width and length, while still being fairly thin/low-profile. Discontinued 
> for some time now, there were also recall notices on the web, but for 
> versions evidently way older than mine.
>
> Not sure there was ever an official VP replacement, but there are 
> p-l-e-n-t-y of wide/longer platform pedals in the world today, some with 
> significant pins, others not so much. Looks like a number of duplicate 
> plastic/composite candidates out there as well, which can be an 
> effective/cost-efficient way to evaluate a pedal before springing for the 
> full-metal experience.
>
> Looking for flickr photos I'm realizing I tend to totally neglect 
> pedal pix, despite obsessively documenting ever other square millimeter 
> of 
> hardware. Go figure.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> [image: 15160652808_6929dbf189_c.jpg]
>
> Yeah, focus solidly on the chainring/chain here. Pedals, schmedals!
> [image: 50135905607_e422cb16bf_c.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 12:52:35 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Over the years I’ve seen numerous comments on how comfortable larger 
>> pedals are. 
>> I’ve ridden standard sized pedals my whole life and never gave it 
>> much though. 
>> Since I’ve spent more and more time riding in thin soled sandals I 
>> noticed a bit of discomfort (not pain) after riding for a couple hours. 
>> I bought a pair of Sylvan Gorditos from Crust and swapped out my 
>> standard Sylvans. 
>> After I got home from my first ride with them I realized i hadn’t 
>> noticed any pressure where I used to. 
>> Aside from that I didn’t give them a single thought while riding. 
>>
>> I see more big pedals in my future. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Doug H.]

I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on 
roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front 
at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are 
better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie Bars 
on it but now I'm satisfied with the Toscos. I have them angled downward a 
bit which is comfortable to me. The MKS Monarch pedals are good too but I 
may try another flat pedal that is wider and flatter at some point, maybe 
even add some color bling like Leah has done on hers. Not much else to 
report yet but so far so good! 
Doug
Athens, GA

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 9:29:46 PM UTC-5 Gill wrote:

> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone 
> who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought 
> a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability 
> were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and 
> now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in 
> comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be 
> a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the 
> granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what 
> you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment 
> stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and 
> thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is 
> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends 
> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of 
> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay 
> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero. 
>
> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever 
> you need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot 
> hall of fame bike. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
>> relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser 
>> investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative 
>> with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would 
>> you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?  
>> Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While 
>> most do not, many do just that. 
>>
>> Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are 
>> no duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of 
>> them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
>> assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 
>>
>> When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt 
>> like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint 
>> handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my Bombadil 
>> needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single 
>> color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was 
>> worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had 
>> Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base to 
>> paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original decals 
>> either so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I 
>> liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The Susie orange is a mildly 
>> burnt/dull offering. I expected something brighter . boo hoo hoo ! 
>>
>> Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and 
>> anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint 
>> over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like 
>> the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given a 
>> blank canvas some may find it overwhelming at first but after that 
>> first step into the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well . 
>> such is the Living as Life Itself. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:12:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a bit of history which I think will be interesting for this 
>>> thread in light of how beautiful and colorful and modernized these bicycles 
>>> have become: 
>>>
>>> In the Blahg or Peeking Through The Knothole or whatever it was called 
>>> then, the original murmurings about the new, lower cost TIG-ed Riv was that 
>>> it would be painted flat black. The idea was you could use it as a beater 
>>> townie and touch it up with a spray can. I think - not sure about this - 
>>> the decals were going to be offered as a stick-on kit. The decal idea later 
>>> - this part I remember well - was retained for the glossy-paint bikes and 
>>> you were supposed 

Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Doug H.]

A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady. 
Clem Ride 

Doug

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object! 
>
> Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the time 
>> change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny photos. I 
>> did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that and 
>> a bag of chips! 
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos with 
>>> us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll love 
>>> that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
>>>
>>> Up next: a Platypus!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.  
 Clem 

 Doug

 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack as 
> the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my 
>> recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
>> tight 
>> at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, you can 
>> see 
>> in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her GravelKings and 
>> fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it looks way narrower 
>> than 
>> your 2.5 knobbies.  
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the Pletscher 
>>> Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If anyone has one 
>>> to 
>>> sell please let me know.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5 
>>> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same thing 
 happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd ordered and 
 read 
 Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it was a freebee 
 or a 
 mistake. 

 Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 

 MATHIEU BROWN



 On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H.  
 wrote:

> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took almost 
> three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to get it as 
> it 
> has been on my radar to read.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 
> bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a 
>> FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's so cool!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny,
>>> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which is 
>>> in transit from Rivendell.
>>> Clem L 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in 
 you for providing no photos with this post.

 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5 
 oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:

> i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for it. 
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 7:45 PM Doug H.  
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Oli. I hope you are enjoying your SimpleOne.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:09:22 PM UTC-5 
>> oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looking forward to this, Doug! Enjoy it 
>>>
>>> Oli 
>>>
>>> On 15 Nov 2021, at 18:42, Doug H.  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I 

[RBW] FS Quill stems: Salsa P10, Nitto FacePlater, more!

[David Hallerman]

Hi all!

Some wonderful and rare 1" quill stems here, with a mix of 26.0mm and 
25.4mm clamps. And some photos here: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4hd6t537VEUzjx5v6


Prices include shipping in CONUS if buyer covers Paypal fees. Questions 
quickly answered.


Smiles,

Dave, who is keeping certain V-O face-plate quill stems that allow for 
31.8 handlebars

+ + + + + + + +
Hudson Valley NY

==

*Silver stems (rest are black)**:* Nitto FacePlater, Velo Orange, 
Ritchey, Profile Designs.
*Steel stems (rest are alloy):* all of the Salsa stems, plus Velo 
Orange, Ritchey, Profile Designs.
*Stem angles* are up or neutral except for the Nitto Pearl group, marked 
D for down.

*Stems marked* with asterisks (*), find backstories below.

* Salsa P10 (26.0) reach/100mm angle/47° quill/140mm = $260 near-new
* Nitto Fillet FacePlater (25.4) reach/100mm angle/10° quill/225mm = 
$130 NEW

Salsa Road (26.0) reach/90mm angle/0° quill/125mm = $85 near-new
Salsa Road (26.0) reach/120mm angle/0° quill/125mm = $75 excellent
* Salsa SUL Road (26.0) reach/100mm angle/0° quill/145mm = $95 near-new
Velo Orange Quill (26.0) reach/90mm angle/17° quill/180mm = $42 NEW
* Specialized RockCombo (25.4) reach/130mm angle/25° quill/125mm = $50 
very good

* Nitto Pearl 8 (26.0) reach/80-90mm angle/17°D quill/145mm = $65 NEW
* Nitto Pearl 10 (26.0) reach/100-110mm angle/17°D quill/145mm = $65 NEW
* Nitto Pearl 10 (26.0) reach/100-110mm angle/17°D quill/145mm = $45 
excellent

Ritchey HL Steel (26.0) reach/110mm angle/5° quill/120mm = $40 excellent
* Profile Designs Steel (26.0) reach/110mm angle/5° quill/125mm = $45 
near-new


_*Backstories*_
* Salsa P10 = Rare stem, impeccable condition. Original owner here, and 
finally used it with my old BStone MB-2, but shortly after the Nitto 
FacePlater came out giving me more handlebar choices so I removed this 
P10 for now.
* Nitto FacePlater = I kept the larger clamp size, and should let this 
one go now.
* Salsa SUL Road = Again original owner, and when Salsa did a recall of 
this stem several years ago, I found this and another one I had were NOT 
listed for recall; so this one is a cool face plater.
* Specialized RockCombo = I bought my first bike online before the World 
Wide Web was even invented, and it was a RockCombo; no longer have the 
bike, but here's its stem awaiting your cool drop bar project.
* Nitto Pearl 8/10 = As most here likely know, but in case not, Nitto 
Pearl stems run longer than their name-designated sizes; hence marked 
reach and across-the-top reach both listed.
* Profile Designs = Again original owner, and I removed the stem's decal 
with some polishing needed after.


==



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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam pulling double duty

[Wally Estrella]

AWESOME! If I were forced to have only one bike, it would be my Quickbeam!


On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 10:40:15 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> I've been getting a lot of miles on both my Riv Road and my Quickbeam, 
> never as much as I'd prefer but admittedly a lot. I have been having such a 
> good time that I rarely stop to take many photos but I do have some from 
> last weekend to share. A few weeks ago I started taking the Quickbeam on 
> the occasional NW Arkansas singletrack outing as well as circles on the new 
> Fayetteville World Cup CX course. All of this has been an utter blast and I 
> simply can't find anything I can't and don't want to do with this bike. So 
> much so that I cracked the rim of it's front wheel on said singletrack in 
> Hobbs State Park where I apparently had no business being on g-one 35s no 
> matter how tubeless they were... 6 days before my first (at 40 years old) 
> amateur Cyclocross race, which I had every intention of doing on the 
> Quickbeam in knickers and a sweater. Thankfully I had a spare wheel and was 
> able to procure some new tires and away I went on Saturday of last weekend 
> racing my Rivendell Quickbeam 38x20. I came in last place after stopping 
> for two mechanicals dealing with my rear wheel. I learned so much and such 
> a blast! My kid and I just got to spend the day riding around and watching 
> lots of people have a great time riding their bikes around in silly circles 
> in tight plastic clothing. Well, the next day the QB got out again, pulling 
> the copilot. Man I love this bike. With that, I will abruptly end this 
> correspondence. [image: IMG_2027_100323.jpg][image: 
> IMG_2027_100049.jpg]Thanks everyone!
>
> ~Rob in NW Ar
>

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