[RBW] Re: Anyone run 650b on a Sam Hillborne?

[maxcr]

Thank you Joe, helpful as always 

Max
On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 6:25:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 3:22:18 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Here's the exploded diagram from the Paul site. Make sure you have the 
>> pivot bushings, Pauls don't slide onto the canti studs as one piece like 
>> most canti/v-brakes you're familiar with. Those springs and adjusters are 
>> separate and go sailing across the room, too. Ask me how I know these 
>> things! 😂
>>
>> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Erik! (and apologies for the typo in my earlier post)
>>>
>>> Two more questions for the group:
>>>
>>> 1) I just got a used pair of Paul Motolites off craigslist - what should 
>>> be included in the box? Just want to make sure I get all the parts!
>>> 2) I read in other forums that the RL520 are better than the Dia-Compe. 
>>> Erik said the consensus here was the opposite. I couldn't find any threads 
>>> comparing them here and they both seem to be ok - any strong opinions on 
>>> one over the other?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Max
>>> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 10:22:18 AM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:
>>>
 I used the Tektro RL520  when 
 I had drop bars on there. I have no complaints about the braking or lever 
 feel or anything like that. I was always curious about the Dia-Compe 287 
 because it seems to be the list's consensus on best v-brake drop bar 
 lever, 
 but never took the plunge.

 Erik, Philly

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:00:13 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Hey Erick,
> What brake levers do you use to run motolites on a dropbar?
> Thanks
> Max
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:
>
>> I have a 2014-ish sidepull Sam Hillborne that I picked up off this 
>> list in spring 2018. The bike came to me with Paul Racers and I rode 
>> tires 
>> as big as 700x44. After seeing Ultraromance's 650b conversion on his Sam 
>> H, 
>> I thought I'd give that configuration a go (because there's just 
>> something 
>> about fat knobby tires on a road bike that get's me goin').
>>
>> In early 2019 I had a local framebuilder add canti posts at 650b 
>> placement for about $150. Nervous about committing to 650b on this bike 
>> because of the reasons Bill and others mention (bb drop, pedal strike, 
>> etc), I purchased Paul Motolites so I could swap between 700c and 650b 
>> if/when needed. I managed to squeeze in 27.5x2.1" Schwalbe Thunderburts 
>> with *very* little clearance, but went on a few bikepacking trips 
>> with this setup. I've since added a Crust Evasion to my lineup (which 
>> also 
>> has two wheelsets, *facepalm*) and have made my Sam H a dedicated 700c 
>> bike... for now.
>>
>> I remember Blahgs from 1-2 years back where Roman @ Riv did the same 
>> thing with his Sam H. One Blahg showed him dimpling his chainstays so he 
>> could more easily squeeze a 2.1" tire in there. To this day I'm still 
>> waiting for a feature of that bike on a Blahg or a newsletter, but it 
>> looks 
>> like that day may never come.
>>
>> Regarding pedal strike- yeah, there was some, but I have a pretty 
>> high tolerance for it so didn't really notice a huge difference. The 
>> trails 
>> around here are pretty rocky and rooty so if I'm riding my SamH on 
>> trails, 
>> there's going to be pedal strike no matter what I do. The other thing 
>> people often ask is about mechanical advantage with the Motolites. I 
>> mean, 
>> sure, there's probably better stopping power with 650b wheels/pad 
>> placement, but my bike stops just fine with the pads adjusted for 700c.
>>
>> Overall the 650b conversion was a fun project and adds to my ability 
>> to tinker with that bike- BUT, not night & day to the point where I'd 
>> wholeheartedly recommend.
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 10:52:13 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Generally speaking, switching from 700c to 650B on any 
>>> cantilever-equipped bike is considered a very bad idea, with two 
>>> exceptions:
>>> 1. you have a poorly placed set of canti-posts so that they manage 
>>> to work OK
>>> 2. you have a frame builder remove and attach your canti posts in 
>>> the right place for 650B
>>>
>>> If your canti posts are in the right place for 700c, you need to run 
>>> your brake pads a full 19mm lower to hit 650B rims.  That's practically 
>>> even with the pivot itself and the leverage just doesn't work well at 
>>> all
>>>
>>> Generally speaking, switch from 700c to 650B on any 700c bike with 
>>> large BB drop is considered a risky maneuver, with two exceptions:
>>> 1. you don't mind a re

[RBW] ISO: Appaloosa 57 - complete, ideally

[Adam Kimball]

I'm looking for a 57cm Appaloosa.  Ideally in orange and built up as a 
trail rider.  But will consider any variants, too!

Adam

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr H 52 cm Grilver SOLD!

[Ed S]

This bike is sold! Thank you very much to the buyer and all interested 
parties! Happy Thanksgiving to all! 

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 3:57:20 PM UTC-8 Ed S wrote:

> Bought March 2019, but ridden for 57 miles only (Due to having 3 bikes, 
> heavy workload and new grandkids). Selling to downsize. Last year, I had a 
> chainsuck event on it. The chain caused a small dent by the crimp on the 
> chainstay, and caused a few scratches on the crank and bottom bracket. I 
> asked Will (of Riv) if the dent is something I should worry about and he 
> said it takes a big whacking to worry about damage. I sanded the scratches 
> (400 grit), put on an acrylic nail polish which was too silvery, sanded 
> again and painted with Testor gray paint.  The rest of the bike is in 
> pristine condition. Please reply off thread for more information. Computer 
> not included.
>
> $1,100 plus $130 shipping. I will pay the rest of shipping and boxing. 
> Please give me a couple of weeks to box it because LBS are very busy. I am 
> in SoCal. Please reply off thread if interested. Thank you!
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone run 650b on a Sam Hillborne?

[maxcr]

Thanks Erik! (and apologies for the typo in my earlier post)

Two more questions for the group:

1) I just got a used pair of Paul Motolites off craigslist - what should be 
included in the box? Just want to make sure I get all the parts!
2) I read in other forums that the RL520 are better than the Dia-Compe. 
Erik said the consensus here was the opposite. I couldn't find any threads 
comparing them here and they both seem to be ok - any strong opinions on 
one over the other?

Thanks
Max
On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 10:22:18 AM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:

> I used the Tektro RL520  when I 
> had drop bars on there. I have no complaints about the braking or lever 
> feel or anything like that. I was always curious about the Dia-Compe 287 
> because it seems to be the list's consensus on best v-brake drop bar lever, 
> but never took the plunge.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:00:13 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Erick,
>> What brake levers do you use to run motolites on a dropbar?
>> Thanks
>> Max
>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2014-ish sidepull Sam Hillborne that I picked up off this list 
>>> in spring 2018. The bike came to me with Paul Racers and I rode tires as 
>>> big as 700x44. After seeing Ultraromance's 650b conversion on his Sam H, I 
>>> thought I'd give that configuration a go (because there's just something 
>>> about fat knobby tires on a road bike that get's me goin').
>>>
>>> In early 2019 I had a local framebuilder add canti posts at 650b 
>>> placement for about $150. Nervous about committing to 650b on this bike 
>>> because of the reasons Bill and others mention (bb drop, pedal strike, 
>>> etc), I purchased Paul Motolites so I could swap between 700c and 650b 
>>> if/when needed. I managed to squeeze in 27.5x2.1" Schwalbe Thunderburts 
>>> with *very* little clearance, but went on a few bikepacking trips with 
>>> this setup. I've since added a Crust Evasion to my lineup (which also has 
>>> two wheelsets, *facepalm*) and have made my Sam H a dedicated 700c bike... 
>>> for now.
>>>
>>> I remember Blahgs from 1-2 years back where Roman @ Riv did the same 
>>> thing with his Sam H. One Blahg showed him dimpling his chainstays so he 
>>> could more easily squeeze a 2.1" tire in there. To this day I'm still 
>>> waiting for a feature of that bike on a Blahg or a newsletter, but it looks 
>>> like that day may never come.
>>>
>>> Regarding pedal strike- yeah, there was some, but I have a pretty high 
>>> tolerance for it so didn't really notice a huge difference. The trails 
>>> around here are pretty rocky and rooty so if I'm riding my SamH on trails, 
>>> there's going to be pedal strike no matter what I do. The other thing 
>>> people often ask is about mechanical advantage with the Motolites. I mean, 
>>> sure, there's probably better stopping power with 650b wheels/pad 
>>> placement, but my bike stops just fine with the pads adjusted for 700c.
>>>
>>> Overall the 650b conversion was a fun project and adds to my ability to 
>>> tinker with that bike- BUT, not night & day to the point where I'd 
>>> wholeheartedly recommend.
>>>
>>> Erik, Philly
>>> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 10:52:13 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Generally speaking, switching from 700c to 650B on any 
 cantilever-equipped bike is considered a very bad idea, with two 
 exceptions:
 1. you have a poorly placed set of canti-posts so that they manage to 
 work OK
 2. you have a frame builder remove and attach your canti posts in the 
 right place for 650B

 If your canti posts are in the right place for 700c, you need to run 
 your brake pads a full 19mm lower to hit 650B rims.  That's practically 
 even with the pivot itself and the leverage just doesn't work well at all

 Generally speaking, switch from 700c to 650B on any 700c bike with 
 large BB drop is considered a risky maneuver, with two exceptions:
 1. you don't mind a really low BB and pedal strike doesn't concern you
 2. you are going to MUCH wider 650B tires, so that the resulting BB 
 height may be close

 On disc-brake bikes, swapping from 700xTHIC to 650xTHICCC is pretty 
 common.  I've got a few bikes in my stable that are intended for that kind 
 of flexibility.  My cantilever-Sam is not one of those bikes.  700x38 + 
 fenders and it's perfect.  For beefier tires, I grab one of my machines 
 that has beefier tires  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 10:08:08 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all, I have a Sam Hillborne without canti posts. I was considering 
> trying 650b hoops to get some even beefier tires on the bike. Has anyone 
> seen it done? Pics?



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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa build

[Damien]

Hey Eric, I noticed you did a Sam build video as well! How are you liking 
the Appaloosa vs. the Samsy?

On Thursday, 25 November 2021 at 11:35:21 UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey, that's me! Thanks, Tom. I made a post here about the video a few 
> weeks ago :) 
>
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:09:55 PM UTC-5 Tom M wrote:
>
>> The Radavist has a link to a nice video of a Joe Appa build: 
>> https://theradavist.com/2021/11/rivendell-bicycle-works-joe-appaloosa-assembly/.
>>  
>> The owner uses a large-setback seat post.
>>
>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

[Jim Whorton]

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
suggestions?

Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54CM Pewter Saluki

[J S]

Congrats Jonathan, some lucky fool will be smiling, 😁

On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 11:08:20 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The frame has been sold. I am going to be listing all of the parts 
> separately soon but before that if anything in the list above including the 
> wheelset is something you need shoot me a message.
>
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 9:02:06 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> [image: PXL_20210722_134754200.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 9:01:36 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> [image: PXL_20211004_01689.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa build

[Eric Marth]

Hey, that's me! Thanks, Tom. I made a post here about the video a few weeks 
ago :) 

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:09:55 PM UTC-5 Tom M wrote:

> The Radavist has a link to a nice video of a Joe Appa build: 
> https://theradavist.com/2021/11/rivendell-bicycle-works-joe-appaloosa-assembly/.
>  
> The owner uses a large-setback seat post.
>
> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54CM Pewter Saluki

[Johnny Alien]

The frame has been sold. I am going to be listing all of the parts 
separately soon but before that if anything in the list above including the 
wheelset is something you need shoot me a message.

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 9:02:06 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> [image: PXL_20210722_134754200.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 9:01:36 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> [image: PXL_20211004_01689.jpg]
>>
>>

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