Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[David Person]

Yes Jason, the crankset is a Rene Herse.  And thanks for the compliment on 
the build.

David

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 6:04:51 PM UTC-8 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Such beauty! I have been waiting for what feels like an eternity to enter 
> the conversation with my Riv Road Custom "Blue Panda." I was waiting on the 
> last part I needed and that is the silver/black panda MKS pedals that 
> arrived today! These are the first pics, in my filthy garage. I'll get her 
> out again soon!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/mzEj6ZZE71fxKD3g9
>
> ~Rob in NW Ar
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:21:48 PM UTC-6 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> nothing is sexier than black 1st Gen Dura Ace.
>>
>> and i have two bikes with this groupaet.
>>
>> a Puch Vent Noir
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nY5DFS65ejufNYJ9A
>>
>> and a Ron Spencer shop brand (probably Harry Quinn built) 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BOg1R7vxov0u9xin2
>>
>> On Fri., Dec. 10, 2021, 11:39 a.m. Eric Marth,  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can 
>>> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars, 
>>> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a 
>>> decaf espresso type. 
>>>
>>> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black 
>>> components? 
>>>
>>> With gratitude,
>>> Eric 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>>
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ce8742c5-d779-4a74-9d4a-b686bf810c8cn%40googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>> peter stock
>> toronto canada
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1a712df3-060f-443b-8029-7e6fbc0b5ef2n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Roadeo frame set trade: my 61 for your 63

[reynoldslugs]

Here are some recent pictures.  The bike has some subtle custom lettering - 
Team Strawberry Pancakes: 

https://www.flickr.com/gp/41563482@N06/636VsK

Best,

Max

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 7:59:13 PM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote:

> Hi Everyone -
>
> I love my Roadeo, but would prefer a slightly larger frame.  Mine is a 61, 
> and I would like a 63.
>
> My 61 has been posted here previously, it’s in immaculate shape with the 
> grey-maroon paint scheme.  I would like to trade it for a 63 in similarly 
> excellent shape.
>
> Frame only - - I’ve moved the parts to another bike.
>
> I’ll try to figure how to post a link to my flickr album in a minute or 
> two.  
>
> If anyone is interested, kindly contact me OL.
>
> Thanks all
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d1bc763f-cee5-45a4-93b9-5e82eef6de39n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Roadeo frame set trade: my 61 for your 63

[reynoldslugs]

Hi Everyone -

I love my Roadeo, but would prefer a slightly larger frame.  Mine is a 61, 
and I would like a 63.

My 61 has been posted here previously, it’s in immaculate shape with the 
grey-maroon paint scheme.  I would like to trade it for a 63 in similarly 
excellent shape.

Frame only - - I’ve moved the parts to another bike.

I’ll try to figure how to post a link to my flickr album in a minute or 
two.  

If anyone is interested, kindly contact me OL.

Thanks all

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2b105012-f9f4-4106-92c4-2b088c900bd7n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Thousand Helmets

[Peter Adler]

I had a similar sync-up with the Giro Pneumo. It fit great; Giro 
discontinued it; the replacement model (whose name I've forgotten) didn't 
fit at all. Giro rebooted the Pneumo in a MIPS version several years later, 
which also didn't fit.

The Giro Bishop fits; I've worn one daily for about four years. I suppose I 
should start trying on helmets again, to be prepared for the next time I 
need a replacement.

As long as the helmet's passed the certifications, I suspect all helmets 
provide equivalent protection. The key thing is whether it fits, which can 
only be established by trying it on. And whether you wear it properly.

As for Grant's helmet grudges: Grant's *just this guy*, you know? I'm sure 
we've all got our own fixations; there's no need to accept Grant's 
fixations as determinative for yourself, if you didn't already embrace them 
on your own. I feel fully entitled to disregard Grant's preferences when 
they contradict my own, such as his distaste for high-waisted bike pants. I 
have a pair of MUSA pants that I practically never wear, because I hate the 
way they pull down and expose my buttcrack - cold on the kidneys, and an 
unpleasant view for whoever's behind me. But I am an in-duh-vidual; I don't 
have to embrace Grant's preferences if I don't wanna.

Peter Adler
who's been in enough scary crashes and around enough careless/reckless 
drivers to be an always-helmeted rider, and who has turned around and 
ridden home three miles to retrieve his helmet after thoughtlessly riding 
off without one in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 9:33:09 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> The Thousand Helmets are too small for me, as usual with most bike helmets 
> (64cm circumference). When I was working in Everett, WA a few years (5+?) 
> back, I drove down to Portland to find a bike helmet. I went to Universal 
> Cycles and tried on twenty helmets or so, and a couple were OK, but the 
> salesman refused to sell them too me, because he said that they did not fit 
> correctly. He told me that I needed a Giro Bishop, and called around to his 
> competitors and found one and sent me over to buy it - it fit perfectly. Of 
> course, Giro no longer makes the Bishop.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7c81b716-2d3e-4bd8-b66a-6d1008f67ffan%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Robert Dowtin]

Such beauty! I have been waiting for what feels like an eternity to enter 
the conversation with my Riv Road Custom "Blue Panda." I was waiting on the 
last part I needed and that is the silver/black panda MKS pedals that 
arrived today! These are the first pics, in my filthy garage. I'll get her 
out again soon!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mzEj6ZZE71fxKD3g9

~Rob in NW Ar

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:21:48 PM UTC-6 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> nothing is sexier than black 1st Gen Dura Ace.
>
> and i have two bikes with this groupaet.
>
> a Puch Vent Noir
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nY5DFS65ejufNYJ9A
>
> and a Ron Spencer shop brand (probably Harry Quinn built) 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BOg1R7vxov0u9xin2
>
> On Fri., Dec. 10, 2021, 11:39 a.m. Eric Marth,  wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can 
>> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars, 
>> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a 
>> decaf espresso type. 
>>
>> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black 
>> components? 
>>
>> With gratitude,
>> Eric 
>>
>> -- 
>>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ce8742c5-d779-4a74-9d4a-b686bf810c8cn%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
> peter stock
> toronto canada
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4611416c-fe59-472c-8538-34eee712d0bdn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Joe Bernard]

Not unless someone changed most of the parts. The Cyclofiend bike is pretty 
much the stock triple build Riv did on those, the Lowell bike is a double 
with dt shifters, single-pivot brakes, non-aero levers and different rims. 


On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:41:45 PM UTC-8 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Is this the Rambouillet for sale in Lowell, MA?
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc250-dickschoeller0207.html
>
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 10:53:54 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> I recently acquired one that's in really decent shape, somehow. Now that 
>> I've been riding it daily for a month or two, I can easily see why they 
>> lead a hard life. Super fun bike.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 3:34:07 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Those SimpleOne's lead a hard life, don't they? I haven't seen one in 
>>> years that wasn't scratched all to heck!
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 11:08:40 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 SimpleOne
 56cm
 $1800
 Omaha, NB
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/403347901149



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/26829343-fd61-4b5d-a510-b932a8a73f6fn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Michael Morrissey]

Is this the Rambouillet for sale in Lowell, MA?
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc250-dickschoeller0207.html

Michael

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 10:53:54 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> I recently acquired one that's in really decent shape, somehow. Now that 
> I've been riding it daily for a month or two, I can easily see why they 
> lead a hard life. Super fun bike.
>
> Bones
>
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 3:34:07 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Those SimpleOne's lead a hard life, don't they? I haven't seen one in 
>> years that wasn't scratched all to heck!
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 11:08:40 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> SimpleOne
>>> 56cm
>>> $1800
>>> Omaha, NB
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/403347901149
>>>
>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fbc09e73-c5b6-4df5-94a0-53f79d41e878n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] WTB: Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, 540, silver

[Eric Marth]

If you're holding a set of Shakas in 540/silver and are ready to part 
please drop me a line. Email to the address above is best. 

Peace and love. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/90c61b17-0ca2-40f9-a7a7-239c1561780an%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] PSA Sam 58

[maxcr]

No relation to the seller, saw this beautiful black and cream Sam on 
OfferUp (my size-ish and local to me) but I don’t need another bike so here 
you go: 

https://offerup.co/3Kh0IPh1Xlb

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c6e426de-7654-47f0-8833-1c7184fff168n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

[Garth]

The "white elephant in the room" that few manufacturers address is the 
shape of your head. So while someone may fit within a certain range of 
inches, if the shape is wrong, like an oval or narrow head shape in a round 
shaped helmet, it won't fit right. The plastic fit systems are supposed to 
compensate for that can only do so much if the shape isn't right. I only 
wore a helmet for a brief time and researched the best ones for my head 
shape and found one easily that way.

I found this review from Outdoor Gear Lab of helmets including Thousand. If 
I did wear a helmet I wouldn't wear that brand as it would be entirely too 
hot for my noggin. 
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/biking/best-budget-bike-helmet
On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 2:32:59 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Not that we're having a "which helmet should I buy" discussion, but if the 
> Riv one is too small my fat head is happy with the large Kasik Mojito. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:57:20 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
>> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
>> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
>> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
>> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
>> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
>> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
>> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
>> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
>> and good luck.*
>>
>> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has 
>> anyone tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As 
>> with bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
>> larger size.
>> Doug
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c30afd5e-d4b4-4d0e-8e9c-239d5ade53e5n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

[Joe Bernard]

Oh, it's Kask, not Kasik. I have no idea what my helmet is called 



On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 2:40:48 PM UTC-8 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Kask Mojito 3 is what I would up with.  Fits the shape of my head very 
> well, when I choose to wear a helmet. Most days, I'm wearing one of these 
> when I go out for a ride.
>
> https://www.sheltahats.com/
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Not that we're having a "which helmet should I buy" discussion, but if 
>> the Riv one is too small my fat head is happy with the large Kasik Mojito. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:57:20 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet 
>>> on the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
>>> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
>>> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
>>> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
>>> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
>>> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
>>> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
>>> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
>>> and good luck.*
>>>
>>> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has 
>>> anyone tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As 
>>> with bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
>>> larger size.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f2000417-efee-4840-b30c-3ccd2037c32an%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

[David Person]

The Kask Mojito 3 is what I would up with.  Fits the shape of my head very 
well, when I choose to wear a helmet. Most days, I'm wearing one of these 
when I go out for a ride.

https://www.sheltahats.com/



On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Not that we're having a "which helmet should I buy" discussion, but if the 
> Riv one is too small my fat head is happy with the large Kasik Mojito. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:57:20 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
>> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
>> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
>> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
>> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
>> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
>> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
>> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
>> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
>> and good luck.*
>>
>> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has 
>> anyone tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As 
>> with bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
>> larger size.
>> Doug
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cae4289e-c695-41cf-88ae-3f1211369b75n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] **BUMP** WTB Medium ShopSack Medium

[Ron Frazelle]

Hey all,

Still looking for a Medium ShopSack in Olive, Tan or (preferably Khaki #9). 

Thanks!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/32946e83-d986-4fcd-bd01-36b0d6d1a6acn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: FS: Surly 135mm singlespeed rear hub

[Bill Lindsay]

The person who claimed this hub has changed their mind.  So, it is back on 
the market.  Original listing repeated here:

I'm imagining there are numerous Rivendell owners who may be knocking 
around a singlespeed concept.  Clems, Susies, Gusses, Platys, all look 
great with a single gear.  With vertical rear dropouts you'd need to run a 
tensioner, but that's a straightforward setup.

I have the rear hub you may want for your singlespeed spare rear wheel 
idea.  It is the contemporary Surly Ultra New rear hub.  It is a flip-flop 
hub, which will take a freewheel on one side and/or a fixed cog on the 
other.  Some people run a freewheel on both sides with hubs like this 
without issue.  It is 135mm OLD, which fits most Rivendells.  It has 32 
holes and is silver.  A nice thing about the Surly New Ultra is that is can 
be run bolt-on or QR with zero modifications to the hub itself.  The axle 
is hollow to take the QR skewer, but it also comes with bolts (M6x1.0) that 
thread internally into the axle.  The hub has been built into a wheel, but 
is mechanically perfecto in my view.  

My price is $60 plus shipping.  I will be traveling for work this coming 
week but can ship when I return.  I'd be happy to field questions.  If 
nobody wants it, I'll keep it for my own Rivendell Singlespeed concept(s).

You will find photos of the hub near the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr 
album album:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:43:53 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm imagining there are numerous Rivendell owners who may be knocking 
> around a singlespeed concept.  Clems, Susies, Gusses, Platys, all look 
> great with a single gear.  With vertical rear dropouts you'd need to run a 
> tensioner, but that's a straightforward setup.
>
> I have the rear hub you may want for your singlespeed spare rear wheel 
> idea.  It is the contemporary Surly Ultra New rear hub.  It is a flip-flop 
> hub, which will take a freewheel on one side and/or a fixed cog on the 
> other.  Some people run a freewheel on both sides with hubs like this 
> without issue.  It is 135mm OLD, which fits most Rivendells.  It has 32 
> holes and is silver.  A nice thing about the Surly New Ultra is that is can 
> be run bolt-on or QR with zero modifications to the hub itself.  The axle 
> is hollow to take the QR skewer, but it also comes with bolts (M6x1.0) that 
> thread internally into the axle.  The hub has been built into a wheel, but 
> is mechanically perfecto in my view.  
>
> My price is $60 plus shipping.  I will be traveling for work this coming 
> week but can ship when I return.  I'd be happy to field questions.  If 
> nobody wants it, I'll keep it for my own Rivendell Singlespeed concept(s).
>
> You will find photos of the hub at the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr 
> album:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/56e1644d-65c1-4d4c-b9db-e87d81bc4b90n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Ryan]

Oh yeah...I remember that book! Man, some of those bikes were gorgeous and 
the photography was first-rate. Great recommendation!

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:28:44 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> I’m enjoying these responses immensely, mostly because I knew nothing 
> about Riv or Grant until after I rode my friend’s Sam in 2010.
>
> So I was initially surprised by the number of folks here who have come up 
> from Bridgestone through Grant to Rivendell.
> I shouldn’t have been surprised.  My LBS owner has his RB-1 hanging on the 
> wall in his showroom. 
>
> There’s a wonderful coffee table book called “Japanese Steel” by William 
> Bevington and Scott Ryder that explains the Japanese response to the 70’s 
> bicycle boom, which includes Bridgestone, and anything that includes 
> Bridgestone mentions Grant Petersen.
> If you are into “bicycle porn” and want to see where Bridgestone before 
> Riv fits in, I recommend it. The illustrations are awesome. 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/474944be-edd5-49de-93cf-2f75e853fa19n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Jared Wilson]

I got my start in cycling back in early 2006 riding fixed gears, and I 
burnt through countless frames and configurations, always with extreme drop 
from saddle to bars.

After some health stuff came up I fell off with cycling for many years 
before picking up a 1991 MB-2 from the original owner in Saratoga.

It sat around for a couple years before I really started to use it, adding 
Boscos, a B17, and other Rivendell kit along the way.

Finally, cycling was comfortable(ish)!!!

Soon after getting this MB-2 together we found another 89 MB-2 for my 
parter that we kitted very similarly but we both knew there was more to be 
desired.

Fast forward to our first visit to mecca and a quick test ride, myself on a 
Gus and Ariel on a Cheviot, and we'd finally seen the light.

The path was clear and we knew what we had to do, first myself with a 56cm 
Susie and Ariel followed with a 55cm Platypus.

I eventually found myself wishing I'd done a 59cm Susie instead so with 
that thought in my head I began to try other options with the notion of 
buying a 59cm when the next batch landed, and since then I've tried a 58cm 
SimpleOne, a 62cm Hunqapillar, and most recently a 60cm Cheviot.

The Cheviot is my favorite *ride* of those 3, but I still find myself 
longing for another Susie, so on Wednesday I'll be preordering a 59cm 
*color TBD*

I love reading how we all took different roads to get to the same place, 
and it's a damn fine place I'm happy to share it with you all!

Jared in SLO, CA

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:28:44 AM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

> I’m enjoying these responses immensely, mostly because I knew nothing 
> about Riv or Grant until after I rode my friend’s Sam in 2010.
>
> So I was initially surprised by the number of folks here who have come up 
> from Bridgestone through Grant to Rivendell.
> I shouldn’t have been surprised.  My LBS owner has his RB-1 hanging on the 
> wall in his showroom. 
>
> There’s a wonderful coffee table book called “Japanese Steel” by William 
> Bevington and Scott Ryder that explains the Japanese response to the 70’s 
> bicycle boom, which includes Bridgestone, and anything that includes 
> Bridgestone mentions Grant Petersen.
> If you are into “bicycle porn” and want to see where Bridgestone before 
> Riv fits in, I recommend it. The illustrations are awesome. 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/99a2d902-db01-4379-8fa0-b13795913942n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[David Person]

2014 - back surgery that ended my days riding with the local cycling club, 
which modeled the typical road riding group with club kits and racing 
bikes.  Sold my Cannondale CAAD9.  6 months later, when it looked like I 
would be able to resume bike riding in some form I desired to build up a 
bike inspired by the 70's and 80's lugged framesets I grew up with.  A Sam 
Hillborne was my 1st choice, but I had a hard time warming up to the 
sloping double top tube on the 62cm.  So I looked at other brands, but none 
had a long enough head tube which would allow me to get the bars up high, 
or they were not lugged frame sets.  I wound up ordering a Sam Hillborne 
frame set in the spring of 2015 and built it up with lots of shiny silver 
components (no black parts initially, thought that has evolved over time).  
I initially had plans on putting drop bars on it, but Keven talked me into 
trying a pair of Albatross bars, which have been on it till just recently, 
when I switched to Choco bars.  Oh, and that double top tube, it's come to 
grow on me.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:44:39 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan. Now, that article is really a blast from the past. 20 mm 
> head tube extension! High bar 4" below saddle! Looong 42.5 cm chainstays! 
> 10 mm dropouts! (One thing I disliked about the otherwise top-of-pile 1999 
> Joe Custom was the "short horizontal" dropouts as Riv used to describe 
> them. I had them replaced by specially sourced extra long ones about 35 mm 
> long.) But Lai's description of the handling certainly repeats what 
> everyone seems to say.
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:48 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
>> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
>> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
>> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>>
>> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>>  
>>
>> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
>> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>>
>> 1997 - green all-rounder 
>>
>> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>>
>> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>>
>> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
>>
>> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
>> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
>> clearly making people very happy
>>
>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
>>> grateful. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s 
 and that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led 
 me 
 to the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder 
 being 
 placed. 

>>> -- 
>>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/590751e9-e8ce-4feb-b822-f26278eb7bd3n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0fb93ac6-700a-4d1c-a8d2-dc045879b9dcn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Patrick Moore]

Kushan: Any idea why you were slower on the CF bike, which I assume was
lighter than any Rivendell model?

I realize that the factors making one bike slower or faster than another,
let alone those affecting comfort, are hugely varied, but it's certainly a
topic that interests me, since several of the fastest* bikes I've ridden
were among the heavier ones.

*Repeated ease of pushing a higher gear in the same conditions.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 11:42 AM Kushan  wrote:

> ... I had the bright idea of renting a top of the line carbon road bike
> for a day. Despite their marketed "endurance geometry" and having the right
> sized bike, it felt uncomfortable, even in the muslces that one normally
> doesn't use in cycling. On a local 15 mile route, I was slower than I had
> been on my "cheap" hybrid bike.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgvUHR59AjYJcUPR_bKgh7DGJk_MeKxvjjtGJczN9B-3BQ%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Ryan. Now, that article is really a blast from the past. 20 mm head
tube extension! High bar 4" below saddle! Looong 42.5 cm chainstays! 10 mm
dropouts! (One thing I disliked about the otherwise top-of-pile 1999 Joe
Custom was the "short horizontal" dropouts as Riv used to describe them. I
had them replaced by specially sourced extra long ones about 35 mm long.)
But Lai's description of the handling certainly repeats what everyone seems
to say.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:48 AM Ryan  wrote:

> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties;
> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog
> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv
> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>
> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>
>
> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and
> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>
> 1997 - green all-rounder
>
> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>
> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>
> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance
>
> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely
> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's
> clearly making people very happy
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very
>> grateful.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s and
>>> that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led me to
>>> the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder being
>>> placed.
>>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/590751e9-e8ce-4feb-b822-f26278eb7bd3n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>


-- 

---
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtYmu-gWkNHCpMARwtSjV5Wvgudvhv-C24XRDvEQ5WN7w%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[aeroperf]

I’m enjoying these responses immensely, mostly because I knew nothing about 
Riv or Grant until after I rode my friend’s Sam in 2010.

So I was initially surprised by the number of folks here who have come up 
from Bridgestone through Grant to Rivendell.
I shouldn’t have been surprised.  My LBS owner has his RB-1 hanging on the 
wall in his showroom. 

There’s a wonderful coffee table book called “Japanese Steel” by William 
Bevington and Scott Ryder that explains the Japanese response to the 70’s 
bicycle boom, which includes Bridgestone, and anything that includes 
Bridgestone mentions Grant Petersen.
If you are into “bicycle porn” and want to see where Bridgestone before Riv 
fits in, I recommend it. The illustrations are awesome. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a9b74766-3a3c-4d20-8a91-66a0719bf4can%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Cheviot at Community Cycles in CO

[Jared Wilson]

Mike, message sent!

Jared

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:08:37 AM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for posting this. I wrote to the shop and they were kind enough to 
> respond on their closed day. It sold already this weekend. Did anyone here 
> get it?
>
> If anyone else has a 60 Cheviot they'd like to sell let me know! :) 
>
> Mike 
> Austin TX
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:29:53 AM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Whilst perusing the internet I saw a large Cheviot in the inventory at 
>> Community Cycles in Boulder, CO.
>>
>> https://communitycycles.org/bike-shop/used-bikes-for-sale/
>>
>> No affiliation or idea if it’s still there. 
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5a5d6d60-ce86-42c1-a6bc-13a710cea59fn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Jeremy Simon]

My partner mentioned something called a "Cheviot" on one of our first dates 
and I inelegantly pretended to know what she was talking about. I found 
this forum not long after and became an avid reader to try and impress her. 
I took a trip out to Walnut Creek, rode a few models, was blown away by the 
customer service, and snapped up a large Appaloosa when they were clearing 
out the largest models a few years ago. Now I dream of a Roadeo while 
keeping an eye on the used Cheviot market to see if we can finally get my 
partner a Riv of her own. 

Jeremy in Oakland

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:20:20 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Eric - I had to listen to the sermon on too-small-a-frame from Walnut 
> Creek, too, before I bought my Rambouillet back in '05.  I had one existing 
> road bike, an early 70's Fuji Finest with a 21" (roughly 53 & 1/3 cm) 
> frame that I had crashed and needed to replace.  So I ordered a 54cm from 
> Peter White back when he was still a Rivendell dealer.  It fit me so 
> perfectly that I would have given just about anything to have had it way 
> back in '73 when I began to do serious cycling.  With the exception of a 
> few MTB's, it would have no doubt been my only road bike in my collection 
> over the decades.
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:54:41 PM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> It was 2005, and I was looking for a fixed-gear capable bike to ride long 
>> distances. I had signed up to be part of the Big Fix cross-country ride in 
>> 2006, and it was clear that my Soma was not going to fit the bill—fast and 
>> light, but not great for multiple days in the saddle.
>>
>> My friend, the organizer of the Big Fix, had a Quickbeam and convinced me 
>> to try it. 
>>
>> I bought mine after being told in no uncertain terms by the well-meaning 
>> folk in Walnut Creek that it was too small for me, based on their sizing 
>> orthodoxy.
>>
>> I rode the Quickbeam successfullly on the Big Fix and, a year later, rode 
>> Paris-Brest-Paris on it. 
>>
>> I still have the Quickbeam, now with a three-speed hub, and ride it 
>> regularly. 
>>
>> And it’s still too small.
>>
>> Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>>
>> After a year of pandemic riding on an aluminum hybrid bike in 2020, I was 
>> ready to buy a more "serious" bike for longer rides. A lot of people and 
>> shops I talked to recommended a carbon road bike was the natural choice and 
>> that's what all the serious cyclists rode. Before jumping on that 
>> bandwagon, I had the bright idea of renting a top of the line carbon road 
>> bike for a day. Despite their marketed "endurance geometry" and having the 
>> right sized bike, it felt uncomfortable, even in the muslces that one 
>> normally doesn't use in cycling. On a local 15 mile route, I was slower 
>> than I had been on my "cheap" hybrid bike. Being a Walnut Creek resident, I 
>> had known about Rivendell and read some of their articles online. I gladly 
>> returned my rental carbon bike the same day. Since then, have acquired a 
>> Roadini and an Appaloosa and love them both. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I had been idly considering a Hillborne for quite some time because it 
>>> checked all the boxes for me on capability, and I was Riv-curious for a 
>>> couple years but enjoyed my Soma too.  I naively thought that when the 2019 
>>> batch of Hillbornes were gone, they'd never be back or at least never be 
>>> back the same, since at that point all the other models had massively long 
>>> rear ends and I wasn't ready for that. So I impulsively bought the 
>>> third-to-last Sam from that batch (of the last size and colour available, 
>>> orange 51) before it was too late. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 09:48:56 UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
 might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
 scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
 Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good 
 writers

 https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
  

 Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
 writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs

 1997 - green all-rounder 

 late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike

 early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte

 Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 

 Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
 people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
 clearly making people very happy

 On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[George Schick]

Eric - I had to listen to the sermon on too-small-a-frame from Walnut 
Creek, too, before I bought my Rambouillet back in '05.  I had one existing 
road bike, an early 70's Fuji Finest with a 21" (roughly 53 & 1/3 cm) frame 
that I had crashed and needed to replace.  So I ordered a 54cm from Peter 
White back when he was still a Rivendell dealer.  It fit me so perfectly 
that I would have given just about anything to have had it way back in '73 
when I began to do serious cycling.  With the exception of a few MTB's, it 
would have no doubt been my only road bike in my collection over the 
decades.



On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:54:41 PM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> It was 2005, and I was looking for a fixed-gear capable bike to ride long 
> distances. I had signed up to be part of the Big Fix cross-country ride in 
> 2006, and it was clear that my Soma was not going to fit the bill—fast and 
> light, but not great for multiple days in the saddle.
>
> My friend, the organizer of the Big Fix, had a Quickbeam and convinced me 
> to try it. 
>
> I bought mine after being told in no uncertain terms by the well-meaning 
> folk in Walnut Creek that it was too small for me, based on their sizing 
> orthodoxy.
>
> I rode the Quickbeam successfullly on the Big Fix and, a year later, rode 
> Paris-Brest-Paris on it. 
>
> I still have the Quickbeam, now with a three-speed hub, and ride it 
> regularly. 
>
> And it’s still too small.
>
> Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>
> After a year of pandemic riding on an aluminum hybrid bike in 2020, I was 
> ready to buy a more "serious" bike for longer rides. A lot of people and 
> shops I talked to recommended a carbon road bike was the natural choice and 
> that's what all the serious cyclists rode. Before jumping on that 
> bandwagon, I had the bright idea of renting a top of the line carbon road 
> bike for a day. Despite their marketed "endurance geometry" and having the 
> right sized bike, it felt uncomfortable, even in the muslces that one 
> normally doesn't use in cycling. On a local 15 mile route, I was slower 
> than I had been on my "cheap" hybrid bike. Being a Walnut Creek resident, I 
> had known about Rivendell and read some of their articles online. I gladly 
> returned my rental carbon bike the same day. Since then, have acquired a 
> Roadini and an Appaloosa and love them both. 
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I had been idly considering a Hillborne for quite some time because it 
>> checked all the boxes for me on capability, and I was Riv-curious for a 
>> couple years but enjoyed my Soma too.  I naively thought that when the 2019 
>> batch of Hillbornes were gone, they'd never be back or at least never be 
>> back the same, since at that point all the other models had massively long 
>> rear ends and I wasn't ready for that. So I impulsively bought the 
>> third-to-last Sam from that batch (of the last size and colour available, 
>> orange 51) before it was too late. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 09:48:56 UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
>>> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
>>> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
>>> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>>>
>>> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>>>  
>>>
>>> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
>>> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>>>
>>> 1997 - green all-rounder 
>>>
>>> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>>>
>>> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>>>
>>> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
>>>
>>> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
>>> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
>>> clearly making people very happy
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
 grateful. 

 On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:

> I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s 
> and that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led 
> me 
> to the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder 
> being 
> placed. 
>

> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> 

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It was 2005, and I was looking for a fixed-gear capable bike to ride long 
distances. I had signed up to be part of the Big Fix cross-country ride in 
2006, and it was clear that my Soma was not going to fit the bill—fast and 
light, but not great for multiple days in the saddle.

My friend, the organizer of the Big Fix, had a Quickbeam and convinced me to 
try it. 

I bought mine after being told in no uncertain terms by the well-meaning folk 
in Walnut Creek that it was too small for me, based on their sizing orthodoxy.

I rode the Quickbeam successfullly on the Big Fix and, a year later, rode 
Paris-Brest-Paris on it. 

I still have the Quickbeam, now with a three-speed hub, and ride it regularly. 

And it’s still too small.

Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com



> On Dec 13, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Kushan  wrote:
> 
> After a year of pandemic riding on an aluminum hybrid bike in 2020, I was 
> ready to buy a more "serious" bike for longer rides. A lot of people and 
> shops I talked to recommended a carbon road bike was the natural choice and 
> that's what all the serious cyclists rode. Before jumping on that bandwagon, 
> I had the bright idea of renting a top of the line carbon road bike for a 
> day. Despite their marketed "endurance geometry" and having the right sized 
> bike, it felt uncomfortable, even in the muslces that one normally doesn't 
> use in cycling. On a local 15 mile route, I was slower than I had been on my 
> "cheap" hybrid bike. Being a Walnut Creek resident, I had known about 
> Rivendell and read some of their articles online. I gladly returned my rental 
> carbon bike the same day. Since then, have acquired a Roadini and an 
> Appaloosa and love them both. 
> 
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
> I had been idly considering a Hillborne for quite some time because it 
> checked all the boxes for me on capability, and I was Riv-curious for a 
> couple years but enjoyed my Soma too.  I naively thought that when the 2019 
> batch of Hillbornes were gone, they'd never be back or at least never be back 
> the same, since at that point all the other models had massively long rear 
> ends and I wasn't ready for that. So I impulsively bought the third-to-last 
> Sam from that batch (of the last size and colour available, orange 51) before 
> it was too late. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 09:48:56 UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; might 
> have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog scanned 
> many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv Road by 
> Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and writing 
> and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
> 
> 1997 - green all-rounder 
> 
> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
> 
> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
> 
> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
> 
> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely people. I 
> like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's clearly 
> making people very happy
> 
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
> grateful. 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM > wrote:
> I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s and that 
> review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led me to the BOB 
> group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder being placed. 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/048ece0a-5cf4-4810-bd66-1d8068eeab23n%40googlegroups.com
>  
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/609483BE-5C29-4433-8B61-343E8EC83717%40me.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In 1994 I bought an MB-1 and loved it. I had a friend, Matt Caruso, that 
worked at Bridgestone in the early 1990s; perhaps he steered me to the IBOB 
group. I loved the 1992-1993-1994 Bridgestone catalogs and longed for the 
quirky XO-1. As Bridgestone folded and Rivendell emerged, I was sad to miss 
the XO but excited about the Rivendell All-Rounder. I ordered one in 1995 
and received it in early 1996. 

Then I replaced my Fuso (Dave Moulton, the anti-Grant Peterson) road bike 
with a road custom in May 2001. I bought a first generation Quickbeam I 
believe in 2009, and a Legolas in 2011. The XO-1 and All-Rounder have gone 
on to other good owners. Of my Rivs, the Legolas gets ridden the most, now 
with a low-trail fork and handlebar bag. I love the Quickbeam but it may 
need to go to someone who will use it often.

Joe in Grand Junction

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:07:10 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had been idly considering a Hillborne for quite some time because it 
> checked all the boxes for me on capability, and I was Riv-curious for a 
> couple years but enjoyed my Soma too.  I naively thought that when the 2019 
> batch of Hillbornes were gone, they'd never be back or at least never be 
> back the same, since at that point all the other models had massively long 
> rear ends and I wasn't ready for that. So I impulsively bought the 
> third-to-last Sam from that batch (of the last size and colour available, 
> orange 51) before it was too late. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 09:48:56 UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
>> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
>> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
>> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>>
>> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>>  
>>
>> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
>> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>>
>> 1997 - green all-rounder 
>>
>> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>>
>> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>>
>> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
>>
>> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
>> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
>> clearly making people very happy
>>
>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
>>> grateful. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s 
 and that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led 
 me 
 to the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder 
 being 
 placed. 

>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e3ed505b-a545-409b-9ad6-01efbe42dfe6n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Christine Rose]

In 2017, I was getting ready to do my first tour. And I was reading nearly 
everything my library had related to bicycles in preparation. That's when I 
found Grant's "Just Ride" book. I had never heard of Rivendell before then. 
That book really clicked with me. So much so, that I put off my tour until 
I could get one of his bikes! I'm so glad Grant wrote that book. I've read 
it about four times now, it's my bike Bible.

Christine in Denver

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:53:10 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

>
> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>
> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>
> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>
>
> In my case
> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
> starting).
> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
> awesomely pretty.
> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
> and I remembered that.
> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>
> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>
> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
> instead of the Tolkien book?
> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
> he designs, once you could afford it?
> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>
> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0441f50d-f6de-48d8-94ed-550a5b615144n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Kushan]

After a year of pandemic riding on an aluminum hybrid bike in 2020, I was 
ready to buy a more "serious" bike for longer rides. A lot of people and 
shops I talked to recommended a carbon road bike was the natural choice and 
that's what all the serious cyclists rode. Before jumping on that 
bandwagon, I had the bright idea of renting a top of the line carbon road 
bike for a day. Despite their marketed "endurance geometry" and having the 
right sized bike, it felt uncomfortable, even in the muslces that one 
normally doesn't use in cycling. On a local 15 mile route, I was slower 
than I had been on my "cheap" hybrid bike. Being a Walnut Creek resident, I 
had known about Rivendell and read some of their articles online. I gladly 
returned my rental carbon bike the same day. Since then, have acquired a 
Roadini and an Appaloosa and love them both. 

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had been idly considering a Hillborne for quite some time because it 
> checked all the boxes for me on capability, and I was Riv-curious for a 
> couple years but enjoyed my Soma too.  I naively thought that when the 2019 
> batch of Hillbornes were gone, they'd never be back or at least never be 
> back the same, since at that point all the other models had massively long 
> rear ends and I wasn't ready for that. So I impulsively bought the 
> third-to-last Sam from that batch (of the last size and colour available, 
> orange 51) before it was too late. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 09:48:56 UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
>> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
>> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
>> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>>
>> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>>  
>>
>> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
>> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>>
>> 1997 - green all-rounder 
>>
>> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>>
>> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>>
>> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
>>
>> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
>> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
>> clearly making people very happy
>>
>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
>>> grateful. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s 
 and that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led 
 me 
 to the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder 
 being 
 placed. 

>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/048ece0a-5cf4-4810-bd66-1d8068eeab23n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Cheviot at Community Cycles in CO

[Mike Packard]

Thanks for posting this. I wrote to the shop and they were kind enough to 
respond on their closed day. It sold already this weekend. Did anyone here 
get it?

If anyone else has a 60 Cheviot they'd like to sell let me know! :) 

Mike 
Austin TX

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:29:53 AM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:

> Whilst perusing the internet I saw a large Cheviot in the inventory at 
> Community Cycles in Boulder, CO.
>
> https://communitycycles.org/bike-shop/used-bikes-for-sale/
>
> No affiliation or idea if it’s still there. 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/06338081-b46e-4ffb-964d-3a9c9047ba57n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Jason Fuller]

I had been idly considering a Hillborne for quite some time because it 
checked all the boxes for me on capability, and I was Riv-curious for a 
couple years but enjoyed my Soma too.  I naively thought that when the 2019 
batch of Hillbornes were gone, they'd never be back or at least never be 
back the same, since at that point all the other models had massively long 
rear ends and I wasn't ready for that. So I impulsively bought the 
third-to-last Sam from that batch (of the last size and colour available, 
orange 51) before it was too late. 



On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 09:48:56 UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>
> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>  
>
> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>
> 1997 - green all-rounder 
>
> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>
> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>
> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
>
> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
> clearly making people very happy
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
>> grateful. 
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s and 
>>> that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led me to 
>>> the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder being 
>>> placed. 
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/535694f3-f4d1-4948-bb9e-25bdbbc90c3bn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Ryan]

I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
 

Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and writing 
and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs

1997 - green all-rounder 

late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike

early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte

Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 

Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely people. 
I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's clearly 
making people very happy

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
> grateful. 
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>
>> I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s and 
>> that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led me to 
>> the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder being 
>> placed. 
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/590751e9-e8ce-4feb-b822-f26278eb7bd3n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Thousand Helmets

[lconley]

The Thousand Helmets are too small for me, as usual with most bike helmets 
(64cm circumference). When I was working in Everett, WA a few years (5+?) 
back, I drove down to Portland to find a bike helmet. I went to Universal 
Cycles and tried on twenty helmets or so, and a couple were OK, but the 
salesman refused to sell them too me, because he said that they did not fit 
correctly. He told me that I needed a Giro Bishop, and called around to his 
competitors and found one and sent me over to buy it - it fit perfectly. Of 
course, Giro no longer makes the Bishop.
When I started cycling, the pros in the TdF usually didn't wear helmets, I 
started wearing one when bike clubs required one to join the rides

Laing

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the Chapter Helmet now and had the Heritage helmet (slow-speed fall 
> and knocked my head...foam cracked). 
>
> I love their helmets. I do wish I would have gone large instead of medium, 
> though. My head measures 22.75" and with a RandiJo earflap wool cap on, 
> it's a bit tight. It fits, but I wish I'd have sized up. 
>
> I like most of what Grant says, but I'm not riding without a helmet. I 
> don't ride aggressively, recklessly, or with bad intentions. Even with the 
> most care and the best technique, we can all misjudge something ever so 
> slightly and take a tumble.
>
> Ben, who wears a helmet even if it's uncool. 
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 7:57 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
>> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
>> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
>> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
>> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
>> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
>> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
>> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
>> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
>> and good luck.*
>>
>> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has 
>> anyone tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As 
>> with bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
>> larger size.
>> Doug
>>
>> -- 
>>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ffef53aa-f745-4153-a73e-856aeeceb6bfn%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f1226cdc-583a-4e3a-8952-07b1fde47c5cn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Laura,
I just wanted to chime in with my experience so far.  I never sat on a 
Rivendell until I unboxed my new 50 Mermaid Platy (PBH 80).  I have Rene 
Herse 48's on it and ride the bike on NJ roads (huge potholes and glass), 
up and down curbs, across grass parks, gravel towpaths, roots and rocky 
paths even chunky hand sized rocky roads.  It handles like a dream and I 
love everything about it.  It's gorgeous, the color is amazing and I can't 
even think of a reason to have another bike at this time.  It's set up with 
a rack in the back for panniers so I can do some light touring but I'm 
mostly on roads.

You have many good suggestions.  Roberta and Leah both mentioned that you 
could pick up a Suzie now and get a Platy later.  Not a bad idea if you 
want to get on one now.  

I had no idea what I was missing all these years.  Rivendell bikes are 
SWEEET.  I'm in love.

Honeymooning in New Jersey...Kate


On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6ee9021a-2649-438a-9d50-4b7046153309n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: First ride with my new (to me)Romulus

[Yankeebird]

That's a good looking bike! I've resurrected this from August... been 
looking at Ram/Rom stuff lately. Congratulations

What size did you get?
On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3a41c819-ad9b-4905-97ed-99292d8215b4n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

iamkeith… I actually came across that photo when researching Riv Bikes. As 
they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. I have also watched the 
Grant presentation twice! I do not compare my vintage ’86 MTB to a Susie in 
ride quality, just that I own a vintage ’86 MTB and I can make into a nice 
trail bike. Life is full of compromises.

BUT, you bring up excellent points! A small Susie with 650B tires is a 
smaller bike all-around. I might fit ‘into’ the bike just fine.

I will need lots of fresh air and exercise this week…

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6b95b18c-dc45-4261-a7b0-4d544ba7fc25n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Thousand Helmets

[Ben Mihovk]

I have the Chapter Helmet now and had the Heritage helmet (slow-speed fall
and knocked my head...foam cracked).

I love their helmets. I do wish I would have gone large instead of medium,
though. My head measures 22.75" and with a RandiJo earflap wool cap on,
it's a bit tight. It fits, but I wish I'd have sized up.

I like most of what Grant says, but I'm not riding without a helmet. I
don't ride aggressively, recklessly, or with bad intentions. Even with the
most care and the best technique, we can all misjudge something ever so
slightly and take a tumble.

Ben, who wears a helmet even if it's uncool.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 7:57 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on
> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how
> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>
>
>
>
> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year
> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant
> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet
> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer
> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you
> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride
> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together,
> and good luck.*
>
> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has anyone
> tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As with
> bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the
> larger size.
> Doug
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ffef53aa-f745-4153-a73e-856aeeceb6bfn%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAHEJi%2BLBi%2BcqyT_QE6sc_TvUT6dBSkF0%2B9srckXjCfD60hSEmA%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Patrick Moore]

If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very
grateful.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:

> I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s and
> that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led me to
> the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder being
> placed.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt4_Z_MEKNNMscN09ZvMEcKEc6ejyLxrQggnbDnAhHfQg%40mail.gmail.com.

[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  I haven't tried these one, but I always either try before I buy or order 
from places with a good return policy. You can never tell if a helmet is 
shaped for round or oval heads, or is suitably adjustable.

These Riv helmets look too hot for my head, but my head runs hot even if 
I'm asleep. I have a POC MIPS helmet which has ventilation which works ok 
for my head.

I understand where Grant is coming from regarding helmets, but he's 
confusing several different hypotheses about helmets into one confused 
hypothesis if one is contemplating whether to wear a helmet or not:
1) Does wearing a bike helmet reduce or increase incidence of serious 
injuries, and which kinds of injuries?
2) Does wearing a bike helmet cause or prevent serious injuries, and which 
kinds of injuries?
3) Which types/models of bike helmets are better or worse at causing or 
preventing serious injuries?
4) Which models of helmets are more durable?
4) Does wearing a bike helmet result in a reduction or increase in reckless 
cyclist behavior?
5) Etc,

One can always avoid becoming a reckless cyclist oneself once you place a 
helmet on your head. My wife has worked with people suffering from 
traumatic brain injury, and from what she's told me, wearing a helmet and 
riding cautiously is the way I want to ride.
John

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3c084c1f-b8f8-444e-aaa7-2f9cf4f58bddn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: WTB Acorn Handlebar Bag

[David Person]

Success.

On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 7:19:26 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> Looking for an Acorn Bags handlebar bag in black waxed canvas.  Interested 
> in the original design, not the current burrito bag style.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fc013d72-1bc1-418c-bd93-4e52c40a381fn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

[David Person]

My experience with the Thousand helmet was similar to me2gingko.  Wound up 
returning it to REI.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 6:46:15 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> I tried one. The fit seemed true front to back, but they were too round 
> for my head.
>
> I am in the middle on the helmet debate. I fell off my bike as a teenager 
> and was found unconscious on the side of the road. I was not doing anything 
> radical, just hit something uneven and slid off the pavement. I am sure a 
> helmet would have prevented a trip to the emergency room and an afternoon 
> of throwing up! But, I feel pressured to wear a helmet all the time these 
> days. If I am not on pavement with traffic, taking off a helmet is 
> liberating. I am not riskily, so #2 does not apply to me...;-)
>
> I like to watch Velocipedium on uTube toddle around on his vintage bikes 
> with a bare head. very soothing...
>
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 8:57:20 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
>> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
>> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
>> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
>> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
>> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
>> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
>> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
>> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
>> and good luck.*
>>
>> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has 
>> anyone tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As 
>> with bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
>> larger size.
>> Doug
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a9e97ed4-c867-4077-83eb-5e89234f2a79n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[iamkeith]

Laura, regarding susie v vintage mtb:  I posted these somewhere about a 
year ago in response to somebody's questions, but they might be appropriate 
again.  Here are shots comparing my susie to one of my old NORBA era 
bikes.  While suited for the same terrain, they are remarkably different.  
You can almost feel the difference just looking.  Your '89 model is 
probably a bit less like a road bike in handling because that was the cusp 
of when mtbs went all-in on the twitchy race geometry, but it'll still be 
more similar to this MB-1 than the Susie.  I still have several old 26" 
mtbs, that I kept riding but, at some point around the mid 2010s after 
getting used to longer and slacker bikes, it became difficult for me to 
think of them as anything other than funny looking but really good road 
bikes.

There's also this hillibike introductory talk from Grant where, about 1/2 
hour in, he mentions that the fillet brazing was selected  in large part 
just to distinguish it from a Clem and make it  more premium, and that 
they'd otherwise be too similar.   That sort of contradicts what I said 
above  about them feeling so different - so it's possible that my 
experience (and high center of gravity that is my chief complaint) is 
altered by my ginormous 2 8 tires and by still having bars with too much 
rise, making me sit too upright.  

https://youtu.be/diTTqXluBEw

Sorry to continue muddling the decision process.  Now that I've chimed in 
with advice, I feel somehow obligated to be as thorough as possible lest I 
steer you wrong.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fc7e14bc-81bd-4e8a-b7d6-0f3c5e624c5cn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] FS Clem L 52

[Andrew Huston]

SOLD!

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 5:43:10 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I’m opening up trade ops. Medium Susie or Gus frame, Appaloosa, hillborne 
> etc. Let’s make a deal!
>
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:32:39 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> Bumping on a rainy day
>>
>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 6:51:55 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>> Michigan
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 5:57:48 PM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:
>>>
 I am not seeing the location.

 EricF
 Vancouver

 On Sunday, 24 October 2021, Andrew Huston  
 wrote:
 > 
 So
  
 in a turn of events, my wife is deciding she doesn’t ride enough for her 
 to 
 keep this newly built Clem. Given those feelings and the limited quantity 
 of these bikes, i can release this and hopefully give someone else a shot 
 at one. I had purchased a green Clem in the lotto and what I plan to do is 
 swap a few parts to essentially offer the same spec Riv is offering. 
 > PM if you are interested and we can discuss details. I expect cost 
 will be about what riv is offering now, roughly. 
 >
 > --
 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
 Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
 send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 > To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f1861e3e-6e2e-4770-ac8d-9965aedd4b56n%40googlegroups.com
 .
 > 
>>>
>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/68127791-f2d4-4241-b4e4-3b23f75730c3n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Thousand Helmets

[Laura]

I tried one. The fit seemed true front to back, but they were too round for 
my head.

I am in the middle on the helmet debate. I fell off my bike as a teenager 
and was found unconscious on the side of the road. I was not doing anything 
radical, just hit something uneven and slid off the pavement. I am sure a 
helmet would have prevented a trip to the emergency room and an afternoon 
of throwing up! But, I feel pressured to wear a helmet all the time these 
days. If I am not on pavement with traffic, taking off a helmet is 
liberating. I am not riskily, so #2 does not apply to me...;-)

I like to watch Velocipedium on uTube toddle around on his vintage bikes 
with a bare head. very soothing...

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 8:57:20 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>
>
>
>
> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
> and good luck.*
>
> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has anyone 
> tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As with 
> bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
> larger size.
> Doug
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/33ae4825-d8c1-4d3e-b7f8-12f1d459cd10n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[MoVelo]

Looking for a mountain bike in 1989ish, I discovered Bridgestone and 
Grant's marketing philosophy. Both of which clicked with me. So, I ended up 
with an MB2 because it was purple and almost as good as the MB1. 

I rediscovered Grant and Rivendell thru IBOB, and fully reveled in the 
Kool-Aid. After years of hesitation, primarily due to my penny pinching, I 
found a used Ramboulliet. How can you not like a bike with a name like 
that. Everything about it makes sense and was obviously thought about by 
someone who actually rides bikes for utility. The versatility of the Ram 
continues to amaze me. Reasonably light and able road bike capable of 
touring, comfortable, predictable and pretty. And then the name which is 
the cherry on the top. 

The whole Rivendell culture has been a huge boon to me. The idea that a 
bike can be a tool for practical use while being beautiful, sensible and 
fun fits me. Rivendell embodies the meaning of attractive utility. Much 
like laguiole knives, tube amps, Belgium shotguns, Wagner castiron, etc. In 
my opinion, Grant & Rivendell somehow manage to combine the best of french 
aesthetics and yankee (Twain) 'down to earthedness', all with a wry smile. 

Besides all of that; the perverse pleasure I get in holding my tongue 
whilst some black clad weight weennie bikesplains to me how much faster I 
could go if a would ditch that old heavy steel bike, is worth every penny I 
have spent at Rivendell. I simply reply, "What's the hurry. I am just where 
I want to be and am in no hurry to leave."

Thank you to aeroperf for asking the question that started this thread. I 
think it is always good practice to reflect on why we do what we do.

Rivendell can be summed up by one of my favorite quotes; 

*Life is too serious to be taken seriously - Oscar Wilde*

Best Regards;

JP in goatheadland NE
On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 7:30:46 AM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was 1996 and we bought our first Apple computer and got an internet 
> connection.  I had finally decided to get back to riding a road bike.  I 
> had tried a Trek hybrid but wanted more.  I went online, a new thing for me 
> and found a bicycle site.  I posted about my bad back and desire for a road 
> bike.  Douglas Brooks replied steering me to Rivendell.  I ordered my first 
> Road and took delivery in 1997 and never looked back.  The relaxed geometry 
> and the ability to have the bars higher made riding a pleasure once again.  
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>>
>> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
>> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>>
>> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>>
>> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
>> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>>
>>
>> In my case
>> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
>> starting).
>> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
>> awesomely pretty.
>> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
>> and I remembered that.
>> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>>
>> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
>> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>>
>> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
>> instead of the Tolkien book?
>> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
>> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
>> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
>> he designs, once you could afford it?
>> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
>> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>>
>> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
>> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/58258157-89e3-4cc3-b689-c2cef283b0f5n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Thousand Helmets

[Mathieu Brown]

I'm a 7 7/8's and they looked killer in the store but they didn't fit me.

Which doesn't mean that they won't fit you - just that they certainly don't
run large.

MATHIEU BROWN



On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 7:57 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on
> the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how
> Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:
>
>
>
>
> *Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year
> history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant
> remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet
> tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer
> a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you
> simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride
> without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together,
> and good luck.*
>
> Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has anyone
> tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As with
> bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the
> larger size.
> Doug
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ffef53aa-f745-4153-a73e-856aeeceb6bfn%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BwsoxmHAeQhRJFQGp2kiN5HbJYKz6YVyZh%2B7aZRNAcjydoxuQ%40mail.gmail.com.

[RBW] Thousand Helmets

[Doug H.]

This may be a taboo subject but I have looked in the past for a helmet on 
the Rivendell website to no avail. Yes, I read Just Ride and I know how 
Grant feels about helmets. Here is his take from the website:




*Parting notesThese are the only helmets we’ve sold in our whole 27-year 
history, because they’re the only ones that made the tough cut. I/Grant 
remain as convinced as ever that(1) Helmets are better at passing helmet 
tests than they are at protecting heads; and(2) Because of that, they offer 
a false sense of security, which can lead to riding more riskily. If you 
simultaneously disagree with (2) and claim that you would never ride 
without a helmet, you need to see if you can fit those two things together, 
and good luck.*

Now that there is a Riv endorsed helmet brand I wanted to ask...Has anyone 
tried Thousand Helmets? If so, do they fit pretty true to size? As with 
bicycles I'm in between sizes on most helmets and usually go with the 
larger size.
Doug

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ffef53aa-f745-4153-a73e-856aeeceb6bfn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[J S]

It was 1996 and we bought our first Apple computer and got an internet 
connection.  I had finally decided to get back to riding a road bike.  I 
had tried a Trek hybrid but wanted more.  I went online, a new thing for me 
and found a bicycle site.  I posted about my bad back and desire for a road 
bike.  Douglas Brooks replied steering me to Rivendell.  I ordered my first 
Road and took delivery in 1997 and never looked back.  The relaxed geometry 
and the ability to have the bars higher made riding a pleasure once again.  

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

>
> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>
> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>
> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>
>
> In my case
> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
> starting).
> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
> awesomely pretty.
> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
> and I remembered that.
> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>
> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>
> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
> instead of the Tolkien book?
> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
> he designs, once you could afford it?
> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>
> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8a38cce6-53f0-4cf1-aa0e-6478e9a6bb62n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[lconley]

I bought my 1st Rivendell because I thought it was a good deal vs. the 
classic lugged steel frames available at the time. People seemed to want a 
small fortune for old used lugged steel frames and Rivendell was offering a 
discount on some Sam Hillbornes that had been delivered without the cream 
headtubes. I like building bikes as much as riding them. Once I got the 1st 
frame, wow - here was an extremely high quality modern lugged frame with 
excellent paintwork, and I can buy a bare frame and build what I want. The 
Rivendell lugwork puts the old French bicycles to shame, and no searching 
for obsolete headsets and bottom brackets (but VO has cured that), stems, 
etc. I don't exactly remember whether I discovered Rivendell or VO first, 
but it was around the same time. I never bought a VO frame back when they 
were lugged, but I did buy a Neutrino Mini-Velo a couple years ago.
I have a few modern bikes, but I came of age during the bike boom of the 
seventies. In 1972, I bought a used Gitane Tour de France - double butted 
Reynold 531, Campagnolo hubs and derailleurs, silk Vittoria sew-ups (it was 
my 4th ten speed at that point). I like the look of bikes with thin steel 
tubes. I have gotten used to the sloped top tubes now that I no longer have 
the drop bars positioned lower than the saddle. I still have the 1973 
Schwinn Paramount P-15 that I bough new from the Schwinn Store in 1975 
after I got hit by an on-duty cop on the Gitane and the frame got bent. the 
P-15 Paramount was kind of similar to a Rivendell in that it was looked 
down upon by the racers because it had the heavier Reynolds DB 531 tubing 
and "longer" (a relative term) chainstays, and clearance for bigger tires 
and a triple crankset - something that was known as a sports-tourer back 
then. It was my only bike for decades (I did have a Masi for a few years 
during the Paramount years). I think that I discovered Rivendell when I was 
looking into having Waterford restore the Paramount paint (still haven't 
had the Paramount repainted by Waterford).

Laing

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

>
> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>
> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>
> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>
>
> In my case
> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
> starting).
> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
> awesomely pretty.
> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
> and I remembered that.
> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>
> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>
> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
> instead of the Tolkien book?
> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
> he designs, once you could afford it?
> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>
> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/829290b9-ca69-45f3-8499-ef244d567146n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

Roberta, I loved reading about your path to a Rivendell. I currently have a 
vintage Specialized HardRock, but I am switching over to an ’86 Diamondback 
Ascent, which is a much nicer frame. It will serve as a great trail bike 
for now. I grew tired of vintage road bikes with limited tire clearance, 
which is why I originally looked into Rivendell. Susie has been a wonderful 
distraction, but I am content to wait for a Platypus. I like that my first 
Riv bike will be a distinctly Rivendell-ish ride.

Of course, there is always the possibility I will press the BUY button on a 
Susie in a fit of extravagance!!! Stay tuned…

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:12:50 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> Just to put the final nail in the Platypus tire clearance debate's coffin: 
> I'm running the same 2.2" tires as Ray Varella, tubeless, and they fit 
> great with plenty of mud clearance. I'm not going to take a picture, you'll 
> just have to believe us! Those Herse tires are the perfect Platypus tires 
> for mixed surface riding. 
>
> Personally, I'd only get a Gus / Susie if I absolutely *needed* a big MTB 
> tire. That would be riding trails, and by that I mean single track, not 
> unpaved paths and gravel roads, 95% of the time. 
>
> If you'd only like a 2.2" max, get a Platypus or a Clem!
>
> Nathan in pdx 
> On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 18:22:22 UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread.   Laura, our stories are similar and 
>> I was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago.  We are the same age.  Feel 
>> free to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story.
>>
>> Background:
>> In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you 
>> bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, 
>> until it got stolen in 1990.  Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a 
>> mountain bike with wider tires.   It was perfect for the poorly maintained 
>> streets of the city,  and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted 
>> to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain 
>> bike as a road bike.   The search was on and I found Rivendell and this 
>> group.
>>
>> I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted.  I tested a Cheviot, a Sam 
>> Hillborne, an Atlantis.  I asked the people on the list.   Someone 
>> suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode 
>> with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years.  That was an investment that 
>> bought me more joy than I imagined.
>>
>> I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the 
>> Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work.  I was 
>> in cycling heaven.
>>
>> Then, the Platypus happened.  I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike 
>> a few years into the future.   I heeded the groups advice:  If you see a 
>> bike you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available 
>> when your time frame comes.
>>
>> As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never 
>> rode the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I 
>> ride MUPS and paved trails mostly.
>>
>> Executive Summary:
>> Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the 
>> bike is available.  Listen to your heart.
>>
>> I bought the Platy because it was available "today,"  even though my time 
>> frame was three years out.  I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, 
>> because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed 
>> paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.)   If you want a mostly road 
>> bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more 
>> aggressive tires will fit the bill.  If you want more of a bike that goes 
>> on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. 
>>
>> Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might 
>> be back in stock.   Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, 
>> much is out of their control.  I think I waited about 9 months past the 
>> expected due date of my Platy.I see the Suzie/Platy as very 
>> complimentary bikes, much more so than my AHH/Platy.  BTW, if you want one 
>> bike and don't mind a diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth 
>> considering.
>>
>> Here's the good news:  With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice.  You 
>> could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on 
>> a used one someone else is selling.  
>>
>> I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it.
>>
>> Roberta
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
>>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
>>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
>>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
>>> would want to buy… I seem 

[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Garth]

I bought a second hand Bombadil in 2011 as a replacement for my '83 
Stumpjumper Sport that was both too short in frame height and length. I 
sold the Stumpy and still have the Bombadil today.

I bought a Susie at first sale, though as of today I'm asking "what was I 
thinking ?". . oh the irony of the year twenty twenty. in which 
hindsight revealed/highlighted the blind ambition of seeking "security" 
in/as "things"   and how the price of that so-called "security" 
exponentially outweighed and overshadowed any so-called "benefit". Like the 
futility of grasping at water for a drink.. so shall I grasp a little 
more skillfully, a little faster, a little bigger grasp ? .. Nope I 
can't grab beyond the grasping regardless of the type of grasp . Hands at 
my side .I simply drink, a drink like never before  a drink like 
never again ... a drink of all drinks   without any means at all. 
for the "Water" is as "Me" and "I" am as the "Water". 

Like notes of the orchestra ... so it is with words, letters, numbers, 
symbols and ideas . all playing in perfect harmony playing this 
Symphonic Treasure we call "L I F E  ! " 


On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:34:26 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> PS:  The first time I laid eyes on a Rivendell was when I unboxed my 
> Atlantis.  They seemed like nice people that knew what they were doing.  30 
> minutes out of the box & I was on the road.  Within a few miles, I was 
> blown away at how nicely the bike rode.  
>
> PPS: About 10 years ago, a 47cm Atlantis popped up on CL.  I insisted we 
> go look at it, although my wife was perfectly happy with her Trek 1420.  
> She went along just to humor me.  She rode the bike for 5 minutes in a 
> parking lot, came back to the car & said "I have to have this bike".  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:26:33 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>
>> I was looking for a serious touring bike but the offerings from Trek, 
>> Specialized, etc., were all going to require some change to meet my 
>> desires.  Then I read a road test in Bikecentennial (now Adventure Cycling) 
>> by John Schubert.  His bottom line was if you wanted a serious touring bike 
>> that you didn't have to fiddle with, the Atlantis was it.  Rivendell proved 
>> to be so helpful in specing parts that I wanted that it was a simple 
>> choice.  20 years ago, the premium for an Atlantis vs a Trek 520 was was 
>> only a few hundred dollars & I was buying the bike to ride forever (my 
>> forever; the bike will outlast me).  20 years later & thousands of touring 
>> miles show I made the right choice.  
>>
>> I did know what a lug was but only because I thought that's how all bikes 
>> were joined.  But then it had been 20 years since I'd bought my previous 
>> bike.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Funny, I just responded to Laura's thread and put my story in there.
>>>
>>> Steel frame
>>> Rim brakes
>>> Upright riding habit
>>>
>>> I was riding a 1990 Specialized Hard Rock mountain bike that I liked but 
>>> didn't love any longer and wanted something more comfortable.  I knew I 
>>> wanted upright riding habit to alleviate my neck pain and rim brakes.  I 
>>> tested every bike in my city that fit my on-paper requirements.  After a 
>>> dozen rides, I realized I liked the ride of steel framed bikes (including 
>>> my current Hard Rock) over aluminum.  I couldn't understand the value of 
>>> complex disk brakes on a simple road bike.
>>>
>>> Next came internet searches for steel framed bikes.  I then read a forum 
>>> Q and the group agreed that the Betty Foy was the best bike ever made. 
>>> Who is this Betty Foy?  Eventually it lead me to this group and Rivendell.  
>>> I had never heard of Grant, Rivendell, XO-1 or Bridgestone before.  I read 
>>> everything I could about Rivendell on the internet, their website and this 
>>> forum.  I devoured "Just Ride."   Our philosophies jived. I found my 
>>> "people."  I am so grateful.
>>>
>>> I called Rivendell and spoke with Grant, who at the time I had no idea 
>>> who is was, but he was so nice and informative. 
>>>
>>> Also, and this is important, I was able to drive to a dealer and test 
>>> ride many Riv models, not just see frames and geometry charts.  This was 
>>> BIG for me, as a non bike-knowledgeable person, whose most expensive bike 
>>> purchase was $300. Yes, I was now willing to spend more on this one bike 
>>> than all my bike purchases put together for my entire lifetime.   Riding my 
>>> Rivs have made me so happy.
>>>
>>> BTW, I had no idea was a lug was until this group.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>> ex-Joe Appaloosa
>>> current AHHilsen
>>> current Platy
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>

 I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline 
 with 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:

 What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?

[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Will]

I had been reading bike groups and one day back in 2014 a poster noted a 
53cm Atlantis was for sale in my town. At the time I was riding an old Trek 
610. It was a nice bike, road well, but wouldn't fit tires bigger than 
35mm. So I went to check out the Atlantis. Rode it around the parking lot 
and, of course, bought it. It could fit much larger tires. It's beautiful 
too, which helps. I parked it in the living room for several weeks just to 
look at it. It's in the garage these days along with an Appaloosa bought 
later for my son and a Glorius for my wife. They are all beautiful. 

I mean, really, where can you get lugged steel that is so well designed?



On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:53:10 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

>
> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>
> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>
> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>
>
> In my case
> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
> starting).
> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
> awesomely pretty.
> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
> and I remembered that.
> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>
> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>
> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
> instead of the Tolkien book?
> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
> he designs, once you could afford it?
> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>
> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e3e8f4c1-3eb3-4db5-9ee0-3332cc74613cn%40googlegroups.com.