Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Corwin]

Thanks very much for all the sentiments about my original custom. The worst 
part about having a bike stolen is not being able to use the same 
components building a replacement because they are no longer available. The 
best part is being able to try new stuff like Onyx hubs with the Spraag 
clutch.

I readily admit there are lots of people who love step-thru and mixte 
frames and prefer them. For whatever reason. I have no problem there. I 
ride several times every week with two of them. I am married to one of 
them. My wife would not ride if it were not for our Hubbuhubbuh. She bugs 
me several times every week to take her out for a ride. She is disabled and 
cannot ride without me. But even before she was disabled, she was not 
interested in exercise in any form. The step-thru stoker position makes it 
easy for her to enjoy a bike ride.

Another fan of the Hubbuhubbuh step-thru stoker position is Charlie 
Cunningham. We usually ride once each week. Charlie is no slouch (got tenth 
at NORBA). You cannot make him sore or short of breath. An all day bike 
ride with lots of hills (such as climbing Mt Tam, or Fairfax to Petaluma 
and back) will tire him out. But Charlie has pistons for legs. He is a 
powerful stoker. But he prefers riding upright in a step-thru frame.

I care not for step-thru or upright. My Hubbuhubbuh and the 
Cunningham-Phelan Hubbuhubbuh provide me with a stark contrast. Mine is set 
up with Albastache and a Fizik Aliante saddle. When I take my wife out, it 
just feels natural. As if the bike was molded beneath me as I got on. I 
think there is a lot to muscle memory. I spent many years in an aerodynamic 
crouch (but not the aerodynamic crouch of today with arm rests, elbows 
tucked, etc), churning up the hills of southern California. When I'm on the 
Phelan-Cunningham Hubbuhubbuh, I feel as though I have to work much harder 
to climb a given hill or maintain a given pace. I am sure Grant and Mark 
are much faster than me - even riding upright. Speed is not the point for 
me. Riding in drops/mustache/alabstche/etc. just feels right.

Thanks,


Corwin
On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> LOL!   Good joke!  
>
> Patrick Moore himself picked a steel diamond frame to be his only bike. 
> If Patrick Moore won't pick a trike as his forever bike, there is no way 
> in hell I'm going to!  
>
> Seriously though, to repeat, if I could only ride a trike I would rarely 
> ride at all in the Bay Area.  If I could only ride a trike, the logistics 
> of getting the thing into and out of my garage would be a major 
> discouragement.  Even a racing trike which I probably could do a brevet on 
> (and which is steel, let's acknowledge), I wouldn't want to be that wide on 
> a San Francisco Randonneurs event.  If I had to just ride a trike, I would 
> either quit cycling altogether -OR- I would have to build a different life 
> for myself, in a different location.  I'm sure those places exist, but I 
> don't live in one of those places.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 10:05:31 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> .. If I had to give up all my bikes and only use a trike, I'd 
>>> regretfully but probably quickly become much less of a cyclist.  I'd be 
>>> scared to ride in traffic.  It would be a very difficult extraction from my 
>>> garage.  My randonneuring career would be immediately over with.  I 
>>> couldn't handle sacrificing the relatively fit 53-70 years of my cycling 
>>> career in exchange for the insurance of having a trike on hand in my 90s.  
>>> Too high a price. 
>>>
>>
>> Bill: This could be you at 90 (well, you'd have to dye your hair):
>> [image: image.png]
>> Or, more age-appropriate. These guys must be pushing 90:
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Patrick "the funnest part of riding a trike is cornering" Moore, who sort 
>> of misses his 2.
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Clem Smith Jr. L
52cm
2000
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-clem-smith-jr-rivendell/7469698466.html

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[RBW] Re: FS Carradice Nelson long flap, black...Maybe a bagman too?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

[image: IMG_0452.jpeg]

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:49:04 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> Hey now Riv'ers, I have a brand new never used Carradice Nelson for sale.  
> $100 plus actual shipping.
>
> If memory serves I have a bagman in a box somewhere $80 plus actual 
> shipping.  Can't remember if it's a QR or Expedition but if you put the 
> effort into emailing me I will put the effort into tracking it down 😁
>
> $175 for the pair
>
> Please email me in a separate email (replying in groups will likely send 
> it to spam and I won't see it.)
>
> Cheers!!
>
> Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS Carradice Nelson long flap, black...Maybe a bagman too?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hey now Riv'ers, I have a brand new never used Carradice Nelson for sale.  
$100 plus actual shipping.

If memory serves I have a bagman in a box somewhere $80 plus actual 
shipping.  Can't remember if it's a QR or Expedition but if you put the 
effort into emailing me I will put the effort into tracking it down 😁

$175 for the pair

Please email me in a separate email (replying in groups will likely send it 
to spam and I won't see it.)

Cheers!!

Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY


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[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Atlantis
59cm
2500
San Francisco, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7469475805.html

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Re: [RBW] WTB 59cm Atlantis

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Coco, here's a 59 if you're still looking!

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7469475805.html

(Vern, is this yours?)



On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Coco Menk  wrote:

> Look here... An eagle soars through the sky. A wind, harsh as its 
> surroundings, blows.
> Look here... A beaver perched upon the ice, long awaited the newly emerged 
> skunk cabbage in the swamps.
> Look there... Two intrepid travelers setting out for an adventure
> Oh no! It seems one of them is missing a 59cm Atlantis! Lo! perhaps one of 
> you can help! 
> 
> We're headed out for an extended distanced tour fairly soon and hoping to 
> have a long tail Atlantis 59 to go with us. Please spare us the humiliation 
> of being upright on conventional geometry!
> 
> Sending love out in these trying times <3!
> Coco
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:09:38 PM UTC-4 Coco Menk wrote:
> Almost had one but owner backed out at the last minute - was originally 
> thinking 62 cm for my bf because he is quite tall, but he's now saying he 
> would prefer the 59. Looking for the newer geo please! :)
> 
> Coco
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Bleriot

[eddietheflay]

such a such a pretty bike. it and orange Rambouillets will live forever.

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:56:18 AM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:

> still available!
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4 Benjamin Park wrote:
>
>> bump and lowering price to $2300. Thanks for looking! Ben
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Park wrote:
>>
>>> one more thing to note, check the geo specs. While this is a 61cm, the 
>>> TT is relatively short, at 59cm, so it fits more like a 59. At least for me.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:24:17 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Park wrote:
>>>
 More pictures
 [image: IMG_1369.jpeg][image: IMG_1367.jpeg][image: IMG_1366.jpeg]



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[RBW] Re: FS- Wavie bar. Brand new, still in wrapper. 660 X 25.4

[S. Greco]

 @Friend I was just at Golden Saddle in LA and they had a few pairs if 
you're lookin'

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 8:23:28 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:

> Has it surely been sold?
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:57:23 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> PM Sent.  I'll pick it up
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:45:47 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Bump.  $85 shipped or make me an offer (SF Bay Area pick up would be 
>>> nice)
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 9:33:23 PM UTC-8 Alex K wrote:
>>>
 Not sure how much it'll be to ship due to the width, but the bar is 
 $100 plus whatever the cheapest shipping option is or just $100 if you can 
 pick up in San Francisco.  I guess this is available on the website, but 
 maybe someday it won't be and this post will be more useful.  Or maybe 
 somebody wants to save $26?  
 [image: image1.jpeg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[Richard Rose]

Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never while 
riding mind you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to be 
> more or less on point every time.  
> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
> 
> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
> Season Canvas
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS Caradice camper long flap, black

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

SOLD!  Thanks all.

Will be posting a Caradice Nelson long flap tonight hopefully (the slightly 
larger cousin of the camper)

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> [image: 287C7803-CA0B-42DE-AE80-7AD9427062D4.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[James / Analog Cycles]

I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
be more or less on point every time.  
Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker

-James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
Season Canvas



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Re: [RBW] Re: My Apologies: Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Patrick Moore]

Always a pleasure to start the day with Garthian enthusiasm.

Yipee, Garth!

On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 7:36 AM Garth  wrote:

> *Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?*
>
> Freedom *from *choice altogether . From dual-ism ... duel-ing 
> di-vision  etc.
>
> THAT's genuine peace  serenity ... joy . harmony  wholiness
>  fun  laughter  play !
>
> What a duel/dual could never offer . freedom from the duel/dual.
>
> That which cannot be divided, split, multi-plied added to or subtracted
> from in the first place !
>
> ISn-ess ... ALL-ness ... AMn-ess .
>
> This very  Ride ... LIFE !
>
> Yippee !
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:41:24 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> My apologies, I didn't mean to suggest my first thoughts were bike
>> choices for a violent apocalypse vs old age, as much as  a "No one's fixing
>> the darn roads any longer!" apocalypse vs old age.
>>
>> It wasn't my intention to bring up bike choices for doomsday preppers or
>> ask which bike Mel Gibson's Mad Max would choose to ride across the Aussie
>> outback.
>>
>> For riding in my 90's-plus 🤞, I'm still going to go with the choice of
>> 29+ steel mixte cruiser, and add bamboo handlebars plus maybe a sprung seat
>> post.👍
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: My Apologies: Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Garth]

*Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?*

Freedom *from *choice altogether . From dual-ism ... duel-ing  
di-vision  etc. 

THAT's genuine peace  serenity ... joy . harmony  wholiness 
 fun  laughter  play !  

What a duel/dual could never offer . freedom from the duel/dual.

That which cannot be divided, split, multi-plied added to or subtracted 
from in the first place ! 

ISn-ess ... ALL-ness ... AMn-ess . 

This very  Ride ... LIFE ! 

Yippee !



On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:41:24 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:

> My apologies, I didn't mean to suggest my first thoughts were bike choices 
> for a violent apocalypse vs old age, as much as  a "No one's fixing the 
> darn roads any longer!" apocalypse vs old age. 
>
> It wasn't my intention to bring up bike choices for doomsday preppers or 
> ask which bike Mel Gibson's Mad Max would choose to ride across the Aussie 
> outback.
>
> For riding in my 90's-plus 🤞, I'm still going to go with the choice of 
> 29+ steel mixte cruiser, and add bamboo handlebars plus maybe a sprung seat 
> post.👍
>
> John 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Bleriot

[Benjamin Park]

still available!

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4 Benjamin Park wrote:

> bump and lowering price to $2300. Thanks for looking! Ben
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Park wrote:
>
>> one more thing to note, check the geo specs. While this is a 61cm, the TT 
>> is relatively short, at 59cm, so it fits more like a 59. At least for me.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:24:17 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Park wrote:
>>
>>> More pictures
>>> [image: IMG_1369.jpeg][image: IMG_1367.jpeg][image: IMG_1366.jpeg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[John Rinker]

I really appreciated coming across Will's quote from Stephen Shores' Modern 
Instances in the newsletter this week as I think it's hits the proverbial 
nail on the head with regards to 'Bicycle Riding Zen' and the role of 
*attention *in creating the indelible impressions from our experience, 
whether they be on a bike or not. It is actually a quote from an architect, 
Louis Sullivan:

*"For attention is of the essence of our powers; it is that which draws 
other things toward us, it is that which, if we have lived with it, brings 
the experiences of our lives ready to our hand. If things but make 
impression enough on you, you will not forget them; and thus, as you go 
through life, your store of experiences becomes greater, richer, more and 
more available. But to this end you must cultivate attention-the art of 
seeing, the art of listening. You needn't trouble about memory, that will 
take care of itself; but you must learn to live in the true sense. To pay 
attention is to live, and to live is to pay attention; and, bear in mind 
most of all, that your spiritual nature is but a higher faculty of seeing 
and listening- a finer, nobler way of paying attention."*

Right on, and ride on!



On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 3:48:20 PM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:

> If we can see our way to elevating bicycle riding to an art form (probably 
> not a stretch for many here), then it is plausible that we can have some 
> fun with a way of thinking traditionally applied in Japanese culture to 
> many of the arts: that the goal seems to be to lose the distinction between 
> one's self and the performance of the art. A famous Japanese saying 
> regarding horsemanship goes something like this: 'No rider in the saddle, 
> no horse under the saddle.'  Since our bicycles have saddles (and many 
> often refer to their bicycles as 'steeds') we can make a simple 
> substitution. 
>
> What would it be like to ride when there is neither the rider nor the 
> bicycle ridden? Could we then, without fear, leave the spare tube and patch 
> kit at home?
>
> Cheers,
> John
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 8:05:17 AM UTC+9 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I agree Zen can be in anything we do. For me it is about connecting with 
>> myself in the activity, or inactivity. Fixed gear cycling on road and dirt, 
>> especially very early or late in the dark is excellent. I also really 
>> connect by single speed mountain biking on flowy singletrack. Remote bow 
>> hunting is also a great way to get in the zone. I did not comment on the 
>> buzzy hub thread, but quiet is good for the zone. I had a very nice Chris 
>> King MTB hub that I could not stand and an equally nice white Industries 
>> rando wheelset that were equally annoying. I have been doing more fatbike 
>> snow rides this winter and no zone in that, at least not yet. Maybe a fixed 
>> fat drop bar build is in order.
>> Thanks for sharing,
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI 
>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 2:19:55 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> In a talk called "Zen Reconsidered" 
>>> , Alan Watts relates a 
>>> conversation he had with Horace Blyth about sitting meditation (zazen). 
>>> Just a couple of Zen scholars shooting the breeze, I imagine. The gist, as 
>>> I understand it, is that those who practice Zen and fixate on sitting 
>>> meditation miss the whole point of Zen. The practice of Zen can be found in 
>>> anything we do. Or, to be more precise, in any doing. The most intriguing 
>>> example Watts (or Blyth) gives is 'riding-a-bicycle Zen'.*
>>>
>>> I'm curious, does this resonate with others here? What is your 
>>> experience of 'riding-a-bicycle Zen'? And, per the 'Buzzy Hubs' thread, 
>>> does the noise your hub makes detract from or enhance your 'riding-a-bike 
>>> Zen' experience? ;)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> *The reference comes around 1:35:25 in the talk.
>>>
>>

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