[RBW] Re: Fender Wobble

[Joe Bernard]

In spite of how often people do it and seem fine with it, I *really *don't 
like front loads on Rivs. Even the weight of a porteur rack with no load 
was enough to make my steering feel sketchy. Did you have the problem 
before you installed it? 

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:04:52 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: A2D2E895-1FB7-4121-A081-8CDCC4E9F3E4.jpeg]I’ve never used a rear 
> bag… just an under seat wrap.
> I had a handlebar bag for a bit, and now a front porteur rack with an 
> average bag on top. It’s usually pretty light.
>
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You might get rid of some fender wobble with a bolt-tightening session at 
>> all the mounting points, it's not my experience that SKS fenders move 
>> around much. 
>>
>> The wobble you feel in turns is concerning and probably not fender 
>> related. What's the bags/racks situation on your Ram?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! 
>>>
>>> I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. 
>>> Still, there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of 
>>> rain, so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. 
>>> Now, they do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving 
>>> from bumps and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with 
>>> that.
>>>
>>> There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
>>> sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not all 
>>> the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and weird. 
>>> I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
>>> to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
>>> fenders are becoming the scapegoat.
>>>
>>> So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just 
>>> take them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the 
>>> same either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I like 
>>> having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
>>> nicer fenders because I like having them.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Saddle bad attachment system

[James]

I emailed you!

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:51:53 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Yeah, I have one of those adapters that you can bolt onto the frame rails 
> of your saddle to provide bag loops.  But who are you?  PM me if your 
> serious about wanting one of these and properly identify yourself and how 
> you'd be willing to make a transaction to acquire one of those.
>
> George
>
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-5 Friend wrote:
>
>> I just got a saddle with no saddle loops.  Anyone have one of those 
>> gizmos that attaches to the saddle rails they'd be willing to sell me?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Saddle bad attachment system

[George Schick]

Yeah, I have one of those adapters that you can bolt onto the frame rails 
of your saddle to provide bag loops.  But who are you?  PM me if your 
serious about wanting one of these and properly identify yourself and how 
you'd be willing to make a transaction to acquire one of those.

George


On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-5 Friend wrote:

> I just got a saddle with no saddle loops.  Anyone have one of those gizmos 
> that attaches to the saddle rails they'd be willing to sell me?

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[RBW] WTB: Saddle bad attachment system

[Friend]

I just got a saddle with no saddle loops.  Anyone have one of those gizmos 
that attaches to the saddle rails they'd be willing to sell me?

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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Pam! 

54.3cm ST x 63cm ETT. Which sounds wacky for me at 5'-7" but Grant designed 
it for my arthritic wrists to have a really high bar reaching way back. I 
cheated a bit by eventually replacing the Bosco it was supposed to run for 
a tall-and-stubby DirtDrop stem and Leah Bars. Oops, sorry, I mean Billie 
Bars! (It's Leah's favorite bar, she's talked a lot of us into them )

It's a mostly-roads design not intended to carry heavy loads or tackle 
crazy trails. Zippy and fun! 

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:21:25 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Once you have a mixe-ish dropped tube, you won't go back to a horizontal 
> top tube.  Just like dyno lights.  Great looking bike.  What size is it?  I 
> bet it's fun to ride.
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:30:02 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Steel, mixte, this one! I'll own this bicycle as long as I can pedal it 
>> and maybe even after that cuz it's so fun to look at. 
>>
>> Btw as this is a Leah thread I should give her a shoutout for the design 
>> of my Rivendell Custom. It has the mixte-ish dropped tube because she 
>> believes in them and I decided she's right! 
>>
>> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> The expected answer from me, of the bikes I own, would be the Bombadil - 
>>> but I'm not so sure I can say that confidently. It has the versatility and 
>>> tire clearance to be a one-bike, even for my high varied riding (from 
>>> brevets to mountain bike trails), but I like how the Hillborne rides more!  
>>> The Hillborne also has a little more TT clearance for me, which may become 
>>> a bigger deal over time, and it's still stout enough for me to carry a full 
>>> camping load. Only downside is the tire size limitation... Ideally I'd get 
>>> a custom that is basically a Hillborne that fits 48's with fenders, but 
>>> that would be hard to justify ... mind you, think of all the money I'd save 
>>> selling four of my five bikes haha! 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 2 April 2022 at 06:22:50 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]

 If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
 question yesterday: 

 You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
 what style - mixte or normal? 

 Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 

 What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
 Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
 Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
 Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
 having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
 raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
 does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 

 What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
 dream bike? Do you have a photo?
 Leah



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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Pam Bikes]

Once you have a mixe-ish dropped tube, you won't go back to a horizontal 
top tube.  Just like dyno lights.  Great looking bike.  What size is it?  I 
bet it's fun to ride.

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:30:02 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Steel, mixte, this one! I'll own this bicycle as long as I can pedal it 
> and maybe even after that cuz it's so fun to look at. 
>
> Btw as this is a Leah thread I should give her a shoutout for the design 
> of my Rivendell Custom. It has the mixte-ish dropped tube because she 
> believes in them and I decided she's right! 
>
> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The expected answer from me, of the bikes I own, would be the Bombadil - 
>> but I'm not so sure I can say that confidently. It has the versatility and 
>> tire clearance to be a one-bike, even for my high varied riding (from 
>> brevets to mountain bike trails), but I like how the Hillborne rides more!  
>> The Hillborne also has a little more TT clearance for me, which may become 
>> a bigger deal over time, and it's still stout enough for me to carry a full 
>> camping load. Only downside is the tire size limitation... Ideally I'd get 
>> a custom that is basically a Hillborne that fits 48's with fenders, but 
>> that would be hard to justify ... mind you, think of all the money I'd save 
>> selling four of my five bikes haha! 
>>
>> On Saturday, 2 April 2022 at 06:22:50 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>>
>>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
>>> question yesterday: 
>>>
>>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
>>> what style - mixte or normal? 
>>>
>>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>>
>>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
>>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
>>> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>>>
>>> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
>>> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB : Dyno headlight

[Pam Bikes]

Anyone have a dyno light that you don't want or use or upgraded?  It's for 
an occasionally used bike.

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 52cm Yves Gomez, plus WTB and/or trade

[Pam Bikes]

I think that's a fair price and I'd buy it if it was a 47.  Leah found me 
one in Salt Lake City but I think they wanted $1500 for the frame.

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:48:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Bill referred to pictures and did not post the link.  Here is the link:   
> Yves 
> Gomez | Flickr 
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 2:47:28 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Paul Choi very succinctly asked "Pictures?"  
>>
>> Here are a couple after the build.  It's practically unridden, and 
>> currently serves as a guest bike at my place in Gold Country.  I'll be glad 
>> to take new photos for any interested buyer. 
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> Pictures?
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The Yves Gomez keeps coming up in the context of a forever bike, 
 particularly among those who don't dig long chainstays.  I have a 52cm 
 Yves 
 Gomez, and I'm willing to set up a different bike for that role in the 
 stable.  I'm offering the 52cm Yves Gomez frame/fork/headset for $1000, 
 plus shipping.  

 Old-timers like me remember that the Yves Gomez retailed for $1000 or 
 thereabouts.  Is it fair or reasonable to ask $1000 for a 10-year old 
 frameset that retailed for $1000?  We'll find out, because I'm also 
 offering $1000 plus shipping for a 58cm Yves Gomez frame, fork and 
 headset.  If my price is low, somebody will buy mine.  If my price is 
 high, 
 somebody will sell me one.  The fact is that the functional equivalent is 
 the $1750 Platypus, and a vocal subset of listers claim to prefer the 
 short 
 chainstay models.  

 I'm also totally open to a zero dollar trade: My 52cm Yves Gomez for 
 your 58cm Yves Gomez.   

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender Wobble

[Joe Bernard]

You might get rid of some fender wobble with a bolt-tightening session at 
all the mounting points, it's not my experience that SKS fenders move 
around much. 

The wobble you feel in turns is concerning and probably not fender related. 
What's the bags/racks situation on your Ram?

Joe Bernard

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all! 
>
> I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. 
> Still, there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of 
> rain, so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. 
> Now, they do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving 
> from bumps and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with 
> that.
>
> There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
> sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not all 
> the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and weird. 
> I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
> to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
> fenders are becoming the scapegoat.
>
> So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just 
> take them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the 
> same either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I like 
> having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
> nicer fenders because I like having them.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! 

I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. Still, 
there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of rain, 
so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. Now, they 
do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving from bumps 
and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with that.

There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not all 
the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and weird. 
I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
fenders are becoming the scapegoat.

So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just take 
them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the same 
either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I like 
having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
nicer fenders because I like having them.

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] For Sale: Wahoo Elemnt Bolt V1 bike GPS unit.

[Julian Westerhout]

For Sale:   Wahoo Elemnt Bolt V1 bike GPS unit. 

In excellent, nearly new condition, comes with new bar mounts (2) and all 
original packaging. 

Photos here:   https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjzKiUK

$125 shipped w/in CONUS 

Paypal F preferred. 

Julian Westerhout, Bloomington, IL

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 52cm Yves Gomez, plus WTB and/or trade

[Bill Lindsay]

Bill referred to pictures and did not post the link.  Here is the link:   Yves 
Gomez | Flickr 


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 2:47:28 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Paul Choi very succinctly asked "Pictures?"  
>
> Here are a couple after the build.  It's practically unridden, and 
> currently serves as a guest bike at my place in Gold Country.  I'll be glad 
> to take new photos for any interested buyer. 
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> Pictures?
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The Yves Gomez keeps coming up in the context of a forever bike, 
>>> particularly among those who don't dig long chainstays.  I have a 52cm Yves 
>>> Gomez, and I'm willing to set up a different bike for that role in the 
>>> stable.  I'm offering the 52cm Yves Gomez frame/fork/headset for $1000, 
>>> plus shipping.  
>>>
>>> Old-timers like me remember that the Yves Gomez retailed for $1000 or 
>>> thereabouts.  Is it fair or reasonable to ask $1000 for a 10-year old 
>>> frameset that retailed for $1000?  We'll find out, because I'm also 
>>> offering $1000 plus shipping for a 58cm Yves Gomez frame, fork and 
>>> headset.  If my price is low, somebody will buy mine.  If my price is high, 
>>> somebody will sell me one.  The fact is that the functional equivalent is 
>>> the $1750 Platypus, and a vocal subset of listers claim to prefer the short 
>>> chainstay models.  
>>>
>>> I'm also totally open to a zero dollar trade: My 52cm Yves Gomez for 
>>> your 58cm Yves Gomez.   
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 52cm Yves Gomez, plus WTB and/or trade

[Bill Lindsay]

Paul Choi very succinctly asked "Pictures?"  

Here are a couple after the build.  It's practically unridden, and 
currently serves as a guest bike at my place in Gold Country.  I'll be glad 
to take new photos for any interested buyer. 

Bill

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> Pictures?
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The Yves Gomez keeps coming up in the context of a forever bike, 
>> particularly among those who don't dig long chainstays.  I have a 52cm Yves 
>> Gomez, and I'm willing to set up a different bike for that role in the 
>> stable.  I'm offering the 52cm Yves Gomez frame/fork/headset for $1000, 
>> plus shipping.  
>>
>> Old-timers like me remember that the Yves Gomez retailed for $1000 or 
>> thereabouts.  Is it fair or reasonable to ask $1000 for a 10-year old 
>> frameset that retailed for $1000?  We'll find out, because I'm also 
>> offering $1000 plus shipping for a 58cm Yves Gomez frame, fork and 
>> headset.  If my price is low, somebody will buy mine.  If my price is high, 
>> somebody will sell me one.  The fact is that the functional equivalent is 
>> the $1750 Platypus, and a vocal subset of listers claim to prefer the short 
>> chainstay models.  
>>
>> I'm also totally open to a zero dollar trade: My 52cm Yves Gomez for your 
>> 58cm Yves Gomez.   
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 52cm Yves Gomez, plus WTB and/or trade

[Paul Choi]

Pictures?

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Yves Gomez keeps coming up in the context of a forever bike, 
> particularly among those who don't dig long chainstays.  I have a 52cm Yves 
> Gomez, and I'm willing to set up a different bike for that role in the 
> stable.  I'm offering the 52cm Yves Gomez frame/fork/headset for $1000, 
> plus shipping.  
>
> Old-timers like me remember that the Yves Gomez retailed for $1000 or 
> thereabouts.  Is it fair or reasonable to ask $1000 for a 10-year old 
> frameset that retailed for $1000?  We'll find out, because I'm also 
> offering $1000 plus shipping for a 58cm Yves Gomez frame, fork and 
> headset.  If my price is low, somebody will buy mine.  If my price is high, 
> somebody will sell me one.  The fact is that the functional equivalent is 
> the $1750 Platypus, and a vocal subset of listers claim to prefer the short 
> chainstay models.  
>
> I'm also totally open to a zero dollar trade: My 52cm Yves Gomez for your 
> 58cm Yves Gomez.   
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[David Person]

>From Leah,  "David - how unexpected that the Surly edges out the Rivendell! 
They do look remarkably similar."

Leah, I was quite surprised myself since all I had ever read reading the 
LHT/Disc Trucker was that it was a tank and rode much better fully loaded 
than unloaded.  However, I enjoy the ride of both bikes configured as in 
the picture attached earlier.  Maybe the 62cm Hillborne, with it's double 
top tubes is part of the reason it is similar feeling to the Surly.  The 
top tubes on the Hillborne are 28.6mm each, while the TT on the Surly is 
31.8mm, but based on the sound each make when tapped with a fingernail, the 
tubing on the Surly is thinner gauge.  The down tubes on each bike are 
31.8mm.  So, definitely oversized compared to a standard road bike tube 
set.  Both bike weigh approx the same at 32 lbs.

David

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:37:43 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> 56cm 650b Hunqapillar.  These were a small and final run, and it fits me 
> perfectly.
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> I've been mulling over this question for a while, and I've come to the 
>> conclusion that I'm really happy that I don't have to have just one bike 
>> forever. 
>>
>> I currently have a 1998 Ibis Mojo as my "Mountain Bike" (but much more 
>> like modern "gravel" bikes in its setup, with original WTB Offroad Drop 
>> bars, unsuspended fork, and new RH 55-559 Humptulips Ridge knobbies that 
>> really go a lot faster on pavement than any previous knobby tire on that 
>> bike); a 1999 match-built Rivendell Road sort-of-custom as my "mostly 
>> paved" riding bike; and a 2005 orange Quickbeam as my commuter.
>>
>> I guess I got "serious" about riding when I received a Bianchi Volpe in 
>> 1989 as a college graduation/22nd birthday present. That'll be 33 years, 
>> so, assuming I can ride for 33 more years (to age 88!), I'd be about 
>> halfway through my "more than just riding to class" riding years. Of 
>> course, having had metastatic cancer, I realize that there's a good chance 
>> I won't make it to 88, but I can always hope.  With my 2nd surgery in late 
>> 2020, I get my "very likely cancer free" silver star sticker at the end of 
>> 2025, and "really very very likely cancer free" gold star sticker at the 
>> end of 2030.
>>
>> One bike would have to replace all 3. Honestly, even if I only had space 
>> for one full sized bike, I'd find space for a Brompton and use it for 
>> commuting, while keeping the full sized bike for "go far" (no longer "go 
>> fast") rides.
>>
>> Material: I've never had a titanium bike. I've broken a few steel frames, 
>> but I'm no longer over 100kg, so I doubt I'll break any more, but I'd go 
>> for brushed titanium. It's just pretty!
>>
>> Style: I'm OK with a sloping top tube, but I like a straight top tube. 
>> It's just a nice place to put my frame fit "adult sized" pump, plus there's 
>> room for two full sized water bottles. 
>>
>> Handlebar: All my bikes have drop bars, but the WTB's cause the most 
>> wrist and hand pain after a long ride, so either a less flared "off road" 
>> drop bar, or something different like a Jones H bar. I'd like to test the 
>> bar for a week or three first.
>>
>> Wheels/Tires: I'd build this bike around 48-584 Rene Herse Juniper Ridge 
>> or 55-584 Umtanum Ridge "fast knobbies." Front would absolutely have to 
>> have a dynamo hub. I've never had one, but might get a dynamo setup someday 
>> "soon."
>>
>> Gearing: This will cause some consternation: Pinion P-18 with Gates belt 
>> drive. I ride 28-622 tires on the Rivendell, 24-36-46 with an 11-23 
>> 9-speed. That's 113 gear inches for the highest gear and 103" for the 
>> 46x12. 103 gear inches or thereabouts is fine, I could live without my very 
>> highest gear. On the Ibis, it's 24-35-46 with 12-36 9-speed, and that works 
>> out to be a 17.5" bottom gear and 19.7" next-to-bottom gear. Do I 
>> absolutely have to have that whole range? No, that's why I have the two 
>> bikes, but the thought experiment is about one bike, and the P-18 would do 
>> that. Playing with http://www.gear-calculator.com (which is a fun toy!), 
>> there's no pull-down for 48-584, so picking 50-584, with the P-18 and a 32t 
>> chainring and 30t cog (the standard gearing for a Pinion is about 1:1, with 
>> 30/30 being a good starting point), that gives me a 101" top gear and 16" 
>> bottom gear. I'm not getting any younger, so a lower top and bottom gear 
>> seem reasonable. It seems that the Gates drive chainrings/sprockets are in 
>> even teeth only, so 32/30 it is (but 33/30 would be better, oh well).
>>
>> Pedals: This is where the "1 bike only" requirement is a problem. I love 
>> my Grip King pedals on the Quickbeam, but I also love Ritchey XC ("mountain 
>> bike" style or "walk like a normal human being when off the bike" style) 
>> step-in pedals on the Ibis and Rivendell. I guess I could get the Grip 
>> Monarch and appropriate shoes.
>>
>> 

[RBW] For Sale 52cm Yves Gomez, plus WTB and/or trade

[Bill Lindsay]

The Yves Gomez keeps coming up in the context of a forever bike, 
particularly among those who don't dig long chainstays.  I have a 52cm Yves 
Gomez, and I'm willing to set up a different bike for that role in the 
stable.  I'm offering the 52cm Yves Gomez frame/fork/headset for $1000, 
plus shipping.  

Old-timers like me remember that the Yves Gomez retailed for $1000 or 
thereabouts.  Is it fair or reasonable to ask $1000 for a 10-year old 
frameset that retailed for $1000?  We'll find out, because I'm also 
offering $1000 plus shipping for a 58cm Yves Gomez frame, fork and 
headset.  If my price is low, somebody will buy mine.  If my price is high, 
somebody will sell me one.  The fact is that the functional equivalent is 
the $1750 Platypus, and a vocal subset of listers claim to prefer the short 
chainstay models.  

I'm also totally open to a zero dollar trade: My 52cm Yves Gomez for your 
58cm Yves Gomez.   

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Conway Bennett]

56cm 650b Hunqapillar.  These were a small and final run, and it fits me 
perfectly.

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

> I've been mulling over this question for a while, and I've come to the 
> conclusion that I'm really happy that I don't have to have just one bike 
> forever. 
>
> I currently have a 1998 Ibis Mojo as my "Mountain Bike" (but much more 
> like modern "gravel" bikes in its setup, with original WTB Offroad Drop 
> bars, unsuspended fork, and new RH 55-559 Humptulips Ridge knobbies that 
> really go a lot faster on pavement than any previous knobby tire on that 
> bike); a 1999 match-built Rivendell Road sort-of-custom as my "mostly 
> paved" riding bike; and a 2005 orange Quickbeam as my commuter.
>
> I guess I got "serious" about riding when I received a Bianchi Volpe in 
> 1989 as a college graduation/22nd birthday present. That'll be 33 years, 
> so, assuming I can ride for 33 more years (to age 88!), I'd be about 
> halfway through my "more than just riding to class" riding years. Of 
> course, having had metastatic cancer, I realize that there's a good chance 
> I won't make it to 88, but I can always hope.  With my 2nd surgery in late 
> 2020, I get my "very likely cancer free" silver star sticker at the end of 
> 2025, and "really very very likely cancer free" gold star sticker at the 
> end of 2030.
>
> One bike would have to replace all 3. Honestly, even if I only had space 
> for one full sized bike, I'd find space for a Brompton and use it for 
> commuting, while keeping the full sized bike for "go far" (no longer "go 
> fast") rides.
>
> Material: I've never had a titanium bike. I've broken a few steel frames, 
> but I'm no longer over 100kg, so I doubt I'll break any more, but I'd go 
> for brushed titanium. It's just pretty!
>
> Style: I'm OK with a sloping top tube, but I like a straight top tube. 
> It's just a nice place to put my frame fit "adult sized" pump, plus there's 
> room for two full sized water bottles. 
>
> Handlebar: All my bikes have drop bars, but the WTB's cause the most wrist 
> and hand pain after a long ride, so either a less flared "off road" drop 
> bar, or something different like a Jones H bar. I'd like to test the bar 
> for a week or three first.
>
> Wheels/Tires: I'd build this bike around 48-584 Rene Herse Juniper Ridge 
> or 55-584 Umtanum Ridge "fast knobbies." Front would absolutely have to 
> have a dynamo hub. I've never had one, but might get a dynamo setup someday 
> "soon."
>
> Gearing: This will cause some consternation: Pinion P-18 with Gates belt 
> drive. I ride 28-622 tires on the Rivendell, 24-36-46 with an 11-23 
> 9-speed. That's 113 gear inches for the highest gear and 103" for the 
> 46x12. 103 gear inches or thereabouts is fine, I could live without my very 
> highest gear. On the Ibis, it's 24-35-46 with 12-36 9-speed, and that works 
> out to be a 17.5" bottom gear and 19.7" next-to-bottom gear. Do I 
> absolutely have to have that whole range? No, that's why I have the two 
> bikes, but the thought experiment is about one bike, and the P-18 would do 
> that. Playing with http://www.gear-calculator.com (which is a fun toy!), 
> there's no pull-down for 48-584, so picking 50-584, with the P-18 and a 32t 
> chainring and 30t cog (the standard gearing for a Pinion is about 1:1, with 
> 30/30 being a good starting point), that gives me a 101" top gear and 16" 
> bottom gear. I'm not getting any younger, so a lower top and bottom gear 
> seem reasonable. It seems that the Gates drive chainrings/sprockets are in 
> even teeth only, so 32/30 it is (but 33/30 would be better, oh well).
>
> Pedals: This is where the "1 bike only" requirement is a problem. I love 
> my Grip King pedals on the Quickbeam, but I also love Ritchey XC ("mountain 
> bike" style or "walk like a normal human being when off the bike" style) 
> step-in pedals on the Ibis and Rivendell. I guess I could get the Grip 
> Monarch and appropriate shoes.
>
> Racks and Bags: Yes, but the question wasn't about what racks/bags to have 
> forever, so I may change those over time. 
>
> Fenders: Probably, I like them on the Quickbeam, but tend to avoid riding 
> in the rain on the "go far" Ibis or Rivendell.
>
> Anyway, barring a lottery win, I doubt I'll be buying something like this 
> any time soon, but it's been an interesting thought experiment.
>
> Drew
>

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[RBW] Re: FS- Wavie bar. Brand new, still in wrapper. 660 X 25.4

[Alex K]

Sold!  been away from laptop for a bit and couldn't update SOLD status. 
 There really is no way to reply to posts on one's phone is there?

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:57:48 PM UTC-7 S. Greco wrote:

>  @Friend I was just at Golden Saddle in LA and they had a few pairs if 
> you're lookin'
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 8:23:28 PM UTC-7 Friend wrote:
>
>> Has it surely been sold?
>>
>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:57:23 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> PM Sent.  I'll pick it up
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:45:47 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bump.  $85 shipped or make me an offer (SF Bay Area pick up would be 
 nice)

 On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 9:33:23 PM UTC-8 Alex K wrote:

> Not sure how much it'll be to ship due to the width, but the bar is 
> $100 plus whatever the cheapest shipping option is or just $100 if you 
> can 
> pick up in San Francisco.  I guess this is available on the website, but 
> maybe someday it won't be and this post will be more useful.  Or maybe 
> somebody wants to save $26?  
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>


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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 165mm 2x crank

[Bill Lindsay]

I might have a 165mm XD2 coming available, pending some other maneuvers.  
If that comes about, I would be open for an arms-for-arms trade for your 
172.5mm XD2.  I'll let you know if that works out on my end.  Certainly 
don't turn away a "bird in the hand" if it presents itself

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-7 saintruggler wrote:

> I am seeking a 2x (double) crankset with 165mm arm length, suitable for 
> installing on a 68mm threaded bottom bracket.
>
> For trades, I have a variety of 170 to 175mm cranks (including one 172.5!) 
> with or without rings. See below for what’s available to trade. Pics will 
> be sent upon request. I also have an abundance of chainrings, mostly 110/74 
> bcd. Just ask!
>
> SR Super Custom (silver) 170mm square taper 53/40 118 BCD 5 bolt
> Sugino XD2 (silver) 172.5mm square taper triple 
> 110/74 BCD 5 bolt
> Shimano FC-M591 (black, Deore) 170mm Hollowtech II triple 
> 104/64 BCD 5 bolt
> Sugino XD2 (black) 175mm square taper 24-36-48t 
> 110/74 BCD 5 bolt
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Drew Saunders]

I've been mulling over this question for a while, and I've come to the 
conclusion that I'm really happy that I don't have to have just one bike 
forever. 

I currently have a 1998 Ibis Mojo as my "Mountain Bike" (but much more like 
modern "gravel" bikes in its setup, with original WTB Offroad Drop bars, 
unsuspended fork, and new RH 55-559 Humptulips Ridge knobbies that really 
go a lot faster on pavement than any previous knobby tire on that bike); a 
1999 match-built Rivendell Road sort-of-custom as my "mostly paved" riding 
bike; and a 2005 orange Quickbeam as my commuter.

I guess I got "serious" about riding when I received a Bianchi Volpe in 
1989 as a college graduation/22nd birthday present. That'll be 33 years, 
so, assuming I can ride for 33 more years (to age 88!), I'd be about 
halfway through my "more than just riding to class" riding years. Of 
course, having had metastatic cancer, I realize that there's a good chance 
I won't make it to 88, but I can always hope.  With my 2nd surgery in late 
2020, I get my "very likely cancer free" silver star sticker at the end of 
2025, and "really very very likely cancer free" gold star sticker at the 
end of 2030.

One bike would have to replace all 3. Honestly, even if I only had space 
for one full sized bike, I'd find space for a Brompton and use it for 
commuting, while keeping the full sized bike for "go far" (no longer "go 
fast") rides.

Material: I've never had a titanium bike. I've broken a few steel frames, 
but I'm no longer over 100kg, so I doubt I'll break any more, but I'd go 
for brushed titanium. It's just pretty!

Style: I'm OK with a sloping top tube, but I like a straight top tube. It's 
just a nice place to put my frame fit "adult sized" pump, plus there's room 
for two full sized water bottles. 

Handlebar: All my bikes have drop bars, but the WTB's cause the most wrist 
and hand pain after a long ride, so either a less flared "off road" drop 
bar, or something different like a Jones H bar. I'd like to test the bar 
for a week or three first.

Wheels/Tires: I'd build this bike around 48-584 Rene Herse Juniper Ridge or 
55-584 Umtanum Ridge "fast knobbies." Front would absolutely have to have a 
dynamo hub. I've never had one, but might get a dynamo setup someday "soon."

Gearing: This will cause some consternation: Pinion P-18 with Gates belt 
drive. I ride 28-622 tires on the Rivendell, 24-36-46 with an 11-23 
9-speed. That's 113 gear inches for the highest gear and 103" for the 
46x12. 103 gear inches or thereabouts is fine, I could live without my very 
highest gear. On the Ibis, it's 24-35-46 with 12-36 9-speed, and that works 
out to be a 17.5" bottom gear and 19.7" next-to-bottom gear. Do I 
absolutely have to have that whole range? No, that's why I have the two 
bikes, but the thought experiment is about one bike, and the P-18 would do 
that. Playing with http://www.gear-calculator.com (which is a fun toy!), 
there's no pull-down for 48-584, so picking 50-584, with the P-18 and a 32t 
chainring and 30t cog (the standard gearing for a Pinion is about 1:1, with 
30/30 being a good starting point), that gives me a 101" top gear and 16" 
bottom gear. I'm not getting any younger, so a lower top and bottom gear 
seem reasonable. It seems that the Gates drive chainrings/sprockets are in 
even teeth only, so 32/30 it is (but 33/30 would be better, oh well).

Pedals: This is where the "1 bike only" requirement is a problem. I love my 
Grip King pedals on the Quickbeam, but I also love Ritchey XC ("mountain 
bike" style or "walk like a normal human being when off the bike" style) 
step-in pedals on the Ibis and Rivendell. I guess I could get the Grip 
Monarch and appropriate shoes.

Racks and Bags: Yes, but the question wasn't about what racks/bags to have 
forever, so I may change those over time. 

Fenders: Probably, I like them on the Quickbeam, but tend to avoid riding 
in the rain on the "go far" Ibis or Rivendell.

Anyway, barring a lottery win, I doubt I'll be buying something like this 
any time soon, but it's been an interesting thought experiment.

Drew

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 165mm 2x crank

[Eric M Cardella]

Correction: my Deore 104/64 crankset is 4-bolt, not 5 as previously listed. 
Copy-paste error!

> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Eric M Cardella  wrote:
> 
> I am seeking a 2x (double) crankset with 165mm arm length, suitable for 
> installing on a 68mm threaded bottom bracket.
> 
> For trades, I have a variety of 170 to 175mm cranks (including one 172.5!) 
> with or without rings. See below for what’s available to trade. Pics will be 
> sent upon request. I also have an abundance of chainrings, mostly 110/74 bcd. 
> Just ask!
> 
> SRSuper Custom (silver)   170mm square taper  53/40   118 BCD 5 bolt
> SuginoXD2 (silver)172.5mm square tapertriple  
> 110/74 BCD 5 bolt
> Shimano   FC-M591 (black, Deore)  170mm Hollowtech II triple  
> 104/64 BCD 5 bolt
> SuginoXD2 (black) 175mm square taper  24-36-48t   
> 110/74 BCD 5 bolt

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[RBW] WTB/WTT: 165mm 2x crank

[Eric M Cardella]

I am seeking a 2x (double) crankset with 165mm arm length, suitable for 
installing on a 68mm threaded bottom bracket.

For trades, I have a variety of 170 to 175mm cranks (including one 172.5!) with 
or without rings. See below for what’s available to trade. Pics will be sent 
upon request. I also have an abundance of chainrings, mostly 110/74 bcd. Just 
ask!

SR  Super Custom (silver)   170mm square taper  53/40   118 BCD 5 bolt
Sugino  XD2 (silver)172.5mm square tapertriple  
110/74 BCD 5 bolt
Shimano FC-M591 (black, Deore)  170mm Hollowtech II triple  
104/64 BCD 5 bolt
Sugino  XD2 (black) 175mm square taper  24-36-48t   
110/74 BCD 5 bolt

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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. Just saw this.

Setting the saddle 1” too high doesn’t sound to me like a difference in 
philosophy and more like somebody didn’t know what the F* they were doing.

--Eric Norris
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> On Apr 11, 2022, at 9:07 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
>> The Retul fit had put his saddle height 2.5 cm too high, and he was reaching 
>> to the bottom of the pedal stroke. 

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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[Richard Rose]

Thanks! Things to consider.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2022, at 10:36 AM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
> 
> The thing with bike fit is that there is always room for improvement and 
> more knowledge.  For instance, I recently did a fit with a guy who had been 
> fit using the Retul method.  He was complaining of knee pain and lower back 
> pain.  The Retul fit had put his saddle height 2.5 cm too high, and he was 
> reaching to the bottom of the pedal stroke.  Thing of it is: he thought it 
> was good, and he was fast and powerful, and that the pain was just a side 
> effect, something he had to work through.  I've fit many riders who thought 
> they had a proper fit but had still had pain, and often their set up is 
> wildly off, to the point of being damaging to their bodies.  I'm not saying I 
> have all the answers, or even most of them.  I am just saying there should 
> always be room for a second look, and certainly always a place for 
> improvement.  
> 
> -james
> 
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:31:38 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>> Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide bar 
>> curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ bars 
>> seem to work well for me.
>> 
>>> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
>>> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
>>> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
>>> while riding mind you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
> 
 
>>> 
 I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
 might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
 formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
 be more or less on point every time.  
 Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
 https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
 
 -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
 Season Canvas
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Jared Wilson]

Corwin,

Very glad you've shared, it's always a joy to hear about Charlie, and as 
someone who is currently piecing together a Hubbuhubbuh I can't help but 
hope for some visuals of the aforementioned Hubbuh's to accompany the 
stories.

I'd love to see photos of both rigs next time the opportunity presents 
itself, not a lot of info on them out there so it would be nice to have 
some documentation of the two.

Best

Jared

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:23:59 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> So here is a Rived out upright tadpole trike that I have been working on 
> for someone who has been having balance problems, Shiny Rear Rack, Huge 
> Wald with Captain Hook Basket Net, MKS RMX Sneaker pedals, Shimano Altus 
> M310 rear derailleur (the ultimate derailleur for 20" wheel cycles lots of 
> chain wrap with a short pulley cage), fatter Schwalbe tires (20x2 Big 
> apples on front, 20x2.15 Big Ben on the rear). Need to trim the tie-wraps.
>
> [image: Trike2.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:40:36 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> Kinda late to this one, but if the point of the question is to call 
>> attention to the virtues of step-through frames for the aging cyclist I 
>> agree with the sentiment that a tadpole-style trike is a better choice for 
>> those with a whole host of musculoskeletal ailments and/or balance issues. 
>> Back to the wall, if I could only have one bike for the rest of my life 
>> it’d be an aluminum e-assist trike, which is about as anti-Riv as you can 
>> get.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:11 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> It's funny, but that question didn't have me thinking one bike to last 
>> through old age, but one bike to deal with whatever apocalypses the future 
>> might bring. I definitely need to ride & chill out more.
>>
>> For me it would be a steel frame mixte, that can fit 55mm tires, minimum 
>> 50mm tires, but without the longer chain stays Riv now prefers.
>>
>> I'm an urban dweller / rider and I need my bikes to fit in smaller rooms, 
>> easy to carry up & down stairwells, through narrower hallways, elevators, 
>> etc. If I lived in a house with a garage, chain stay length probably 
>> wouldn't be a problem. My MUSA Hunqapillar & MUSA AHH have smooth, stable 
>> rides, and while for me the longer chain stay lengths do make for a great, 
>> gliding ride, the longer chain stays are overkill, too long and a deal 
>> breaker.
>>
>> And no, a Brompton is NOT a substitute for a Rivendell, although I guess 
>> it qualifies as a steel mixte?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:22:50 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>>
>>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
>>> question yesterday: 
>>>
>>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
>>> what style - mixte or normal? 
>>>
>>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>>
>>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
>>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
>>> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>>>
>>> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
>>> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Eric Marth]

Hi Taylor — It's a very nice bike, indeed and I understand your rationale 
for selling. 

What I mean is that this bike is fully thought out and spec'd out rather 
than what we understand to be a "stock" Rivendell build. Quills with WI and 
SON hubs, not Velocity-built wheels with Deore hubs; gold moto lites with 
Paul levers rather than Shimano Vs and levers; Silver crank set up 1x with 
SRAM Eagle rather than a Silver double, Deore RD and 9sp cassette. Deluxe 
and US-made stuff everywhere. 

It surprised me that it was up for sale after so much thought, work, 
planning and parts acquisition. Plenty here that is hard to find! 

Best of luck with the sale :) 

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:59:40 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Clem Smith Jr. L
> 52cm
> 2000
> Seattle, WA
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-clem-smith-jr-rivendell/7469698466.html

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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[James / Analog Cycles]

The thing with bike fit is that there is always room for improvement and 
more knowledge.  For instance, I recently did a fit with a guy who had been 
fit using the Retul method.  He was complaining of knee pain and lower back 
pain.  The Retul fit had put his saddle height 2.5 cm too high, and he was 
reaching to the bottom of the pedal stroke.  Thing of it is: he thought it 
was good, and he was fast and powerful, and that the pain was just a side 
effect, something he had to work through.  I've fit many riders who thought 
they had a proper fit but had still had pain, and often their set up is 
wildly off, to the point of being damaging to their bodies.  I'm not saying 
I have all the answers, or even most of them.  I am just saying there 
should always be room for a second look, and certainly always a place for 
improvement.  

-james

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:31:38 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide 
> bar curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ 
> bars seem to work well for me.
>
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
>> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
>> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
>> while riding mind you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
>> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
>> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
>> be more or less on point every time.  
>> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
>> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
>> Season Canvas
>>
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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[James / Analog Cycles]

Richard,  
I can't really speak to much to off the bike pain, as I am not a doctor of 
any sort, but does the pain happen immediately after riding?  Or do you 
wake up the next day in pain after riding, but *not* in pain on the day 
after *not* riding?  If you wake up in pain only after riding, it's 
probably riding position related.  

The formula is only for swept back bars in the realm of 35-45 degrees.  I 
don't have a formula for Albatross shaped bars, but my rule is if you are 
slight with narrow shoulders, pick the narrower of the two options. Bars 
that are too wide can easily cause a pinching sensation between the 
shoulder blades and at the base of the neck.  Make sure the tips of your 
bars are angled down, at least 12 degrees.  If they are flat or pointed up, 
it will be very unergonomic.  

-james
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:53:40 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
> while riding mind you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
> be more or less on point every time.  
> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
> Season Canvas
>
>
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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[larson....@gmail.com]

Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide bar 
curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ bars 
seem to work well for me.

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
> while riding mind you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
> be more or less on point every time.  
> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
> Season Canvas
>
>
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