[RBW] Re: FS: '84 Trek 720 (19"), Billie Bars

[Collin A]

720 is gonzo, thanks folks!

Collin in Sacratomato

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 10:27:03 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> The 720 is pending...
>
> Collin in Sactown
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 5:52:37 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Well, the Billie Bars are spoken for...
>>
>> The long-stayed Trek is still up for grabs! A rivendell-like ride for a 
>> fraction of the price of a Rivendell...
>>
>> Collin, who is already thinking about new projects, in Sacramento
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:24:41 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy Bunch,
>>>
>>> I've got a few things lingering in the bike closet that need to go! 
>>>
>>> Photos here:
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/fq8pdK8MorGTXYNN7
>>>
>>> *1984 Trek 720, size 19"* - Comes with frame, fork, FSA duron headset 
>>> and kalloy 27.2 seatpost. I bought this a couple months ago from IBOB, so 
>>> its a bit of a catch-and-release + some extras. I built this up for my wife 
>>> to use as a loaner bike over the summer...needless to say she liked it, but 
>>> now she is back in SLC with her Rivendell and I no longer have a need for 
>>> it. Fits 700x35 with fenders on skinny rims with older-style cantilever 
>>> brakes - Hoping for *$500 + shipping*. I'll need to hunt down a bike 
>>> box.
>>>
>>> *Billie Bars* - They are in generally good condition...however, this is 
>>> from the first batch where the clamp diameter is just ever so slightly less 
>>> than 22.2, which means some brakes/shifters/etc. won't work well without a 
>>> thin layer of electrical tape to add some extra diameter. However, some 
>>> lower-end components will fit fine for whatever reason - Hoping for 
>>> *$70+shipping.*
>>>
>>> I'm going through some other bits and bobs and will likely update the 
>>> photo album, so if you see something that is of interest just let me know!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Richard Rose]

Machined braking surfaces?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
> 
> I notice a lot of black cliffhangers being used on these...do people know 
> something i don't, or are they just gonna let those brake pads run their 
> course on the rim?
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 4:21:29 PM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>> Okay. It was the headset. I got my mechanic friend (30 years of experience) 
>> to fine tune the headset and he did a marvelous job. Nice smooth ride, no 
>> more flop.  I decided grips instead of newbaums tape. 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 2:39:04 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> This, and also per my brief dalliance with a Susie..the front end has a 
>>> slack angle for trail riding which can feel a bit floppy if you're used to 
>>> more road-oriented Rivs. 
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:51:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
 Daniel,
 I haven't had any self-steer on my Gus yet, but on my Baby Bike with 2.3" 
 Big Ones, self steer was always when the tires were under-inflated. 
 There's a sweet spot on those tires, but they're so big a plush that it's 
 easy to ride them a little too low. I'd give them 5 more PSI and see how 
 that feels (if the headset seems allright ...).
 
 Paul
 
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:29:45 AM UTC-5 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
> 700cc tires. 2.3 inches  G-One Speed Light Tires. Very little tread so 
> they are quick. 
> 
> So far I love the feel of the bike (very comfy). It feels surprisingly 
> light given its length and steel nature. My only issue is some 
> self-steering issues while turning, but I don't know if that's due to 
> headset issues, the design of the bike, or the tires. Anyone else 
> experience these issues ? 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> 
> Daniel M
> Tallahasee
> 
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Brendon: A Riv cuddling up to a Volvo 240? That marriage will last.
>> 
>> I've never owned a Volvo, but my brother, who drives 35X more in a year 
>> than I do (me, no more than 500 miles per year), and traveled several 
>> times per year between LA and ABQ until he moved to latter, owned 
>> several of these, all hi-miles, and swore by them. Apparently, almost as 
>> good as old Toyotas.
>> 
>> What are those tires?
>> 
>> Daniel: G-Ones! I can't read the tire size; 650B or 700C? 60s for 
>> certain. 
>> 
>> If those G-Ones are anything close to as nice as the ineffably wonderful 
>> lightest-model Big Ones, then those are very, very nice tires indeed. 
>> What model G-One, and how do you find them?
>> 
>> Patrick Moore, who just had a nice early-monsoon, cool-temp, mixed 
>> pavement/dirt ride on the 700C X 60 Big One-shod Matthews 1:1.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:33 PM Daniel MacPherson 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Please see attached for my Hillibike. First time Riv Owner. I always 
>>> wanted a Riv bike and finally pulled the trigger with the Susie. I will 
>>> mostly use it for commuting but maybe the occasional gravel trail. 
>>> 
>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>> Tallahassee, Fl 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Michael Baquerizo]

I notice a lot of black cliffhangers being used on these...do people know 
something i don't, or are they just gonna let those brake pads run their 
course on the rim?

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 4:21:29 PM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:

> Okay. It was the headset. I got my mechanic friend (30 years of 
> experience) to fine tune the headset and he did a marvelous job. Nice 
> smooth ride, no more flop.  I decided grips instead of newbaums tape. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 2:39:04 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This, and also per my brief dalliance with a Susie..the front end has a 
>> slack angle for trail riding which can feel a bit floppy if you're used to 
>> more road-oriented Rivs. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:51:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Daniel,
>>> I haven't had any self-steer on my Gus yet, but on my Baby Bike with 
>>> 2.3" Big Ones, self steer was always when the tires were under-inflated. 
>>> There's a sweet spot on those tires, but they're so big a plush that it's 
>>> easy to ride them a little too low. I'd give them 5 more PSI and see how 
>>> that feels (if the headset seems allright ...).
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:29:45 AM UTC-5 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>
 700cc tires. 2.3 inches  G-One Speed Light Tires. Very little tread so 
 they are quick. 

 So far I love the feel of the bike (very comfy). It feels surprisingly 
 light given its length and steel nature. My only issue is some 
 self-steering issues while turning, but I don't know if that's due to 
 headset issues, the design of the bike, or the tires. Anyone else 
 experience these issues ? 

 Sincerely, 

 Daniel M
 Tallahasee

 On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Brendon: A Riv cuddling up to a Volvo 240? That marriage will last.
>
> I've never owned a Volvo, but my brother, who drives 35X more in a 
> year than I do (me, no more than 500 miles per year), and traveled 
> several 
> times per year between LA and ABQ until he moved to latter, owned several 
> of these, all hi-miles, and swore by them. Apparently, almost as good as 
> old Toyotas.
>
> What are those tires?
>
> Daniel: G-Ones! I can't read the tire size; 650B or 700C? 60s for 
> certain. 
>
> If those G-Ones are anything close to as nice as the ineffably 
> wonderful lightest-model Big Ones, then those are very, very nice tires 
> indeed. What model G-One, and how do you find them?
>
> Patrick Moore, who just had a nice early-monsoon, cool-temp, mixed 
> pavement/dirt ride on the 700C X 60 Big One-shod Matthews 1:1.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:33 PM Daniel MacPherson <
> macphe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please see attached for my Hillibike. First time Riv Owner. I always 
>> wanted a Riv bike and finally pulled the trigger with the Susie. I will 
>> mostly use it for commuting but maybe the occasional gravel trail. 
>>
>> Daniel MacPherson
>> Tallahassee, Fl 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Nick Payne]

I'll second the nail varnish suggestion. Several of my bikes (including a 
Riv custom with a Joe Bell paint job) have repairs to the paintwork that 
I've done with nail varnish - on some of them the varnish has been there 
the best part of 20 years, and is still protecting the frame.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[James Valiensi]

That sucks. I just spilled super glue on a 8k paint job, so I feel your pain.

That can be easily fixed. It has to be sanded smooth. Then primed and lightly 
sanded. The color is solid and should be easy to match. A little elbow grease 
and it will blend in like was never scratched. 

See if there is a RAL number for paint. There are places where you can order 
spay paint made to custom colors. 

Or just ride the liven’ crap out of it, like there is no tomorrow (well, 
because there may not be one) and repaint the entire frame down the road. 

Cheers!

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
> 
> That’s a tough break and I can understand your disappointment. Riv/Grant 
> seems to be of two minds when it comes to stuff like this – on the one hand 
> they extol the aesthetics of fancy lugs and exquisite Joe Bell paint jobs, 
> and on the other they seem pretty laissez faire about “beausage” (ugh) once 
> the bikes are in the wild. 
> 
> I don’t know how rare these frames are, and how attached you are to this 
> particular vintage/color, but unless you got a substantial break in the price 
> I think you have the right to expect an intact paint job. If it really 
> bothers you (esp. as a splurge for your 64th birthday) I think you’d be well 
> within your rights to return it and keep looking. Touch-up paint and nail 
> polish are fine suggestions, and will look OK from 10 feet away, but won’t 
> undo the damage. Bikes that get ridden get dinged up, no doubt about it, so 
> if you can make your peace with the fact that damage is inevitable maybe you 
> can just live with it.
> 
> I also like the idea of a strategically deployed decal or sticker, but I 
> think one must be careful to not to go overboard. I have one sticker on my 
> Hunq and it’s from the Association of Caffeinated Wheelers 
> (https://bradclick.bigcartel.com/products 
> ), which suits my aesthetic quite 
> well. Maybe you can find a sticker relating to a hobby or cause that you 
> connect with that would cover and/or distract from the defect.
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> Sent from my Atari 400
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
>> 
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, I 
>> took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels were 
>> lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and the 
>> hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>> 
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a little 
>> bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the frame and 
>> reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up paint, but the 
>> frame is from 2016, so
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>> 
>> -Kiley
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: '84 Trek 720 (19"), Billie Bars

[Collin A]

The 720 is pending...

Collin in Sactown

On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 5:52:37 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Well, the Billie Bars are spoken for...
>
> The long-stayed Trek is still up for grabs! A rivendell-like ride for a 
> fraction of the price of a Rivendell...
>
> Collin, who is already thinking about new projects, in Sacramento
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 4:24:41 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Howdy Bunch,
>>
>> I've got a few things lingering in the bike closet that need to go! 
>>
>> Photos here:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/fq8pdK8MorGTXYNN7
>>
>> *1984 Trek 720, size 19"* - Comes with frame, fork, FSA duron headset 
>> and kalloy 27.2 seatpost. I bought this a couple months ago from IBOB, so 
>> its a bit of a catch-and-release + some extras. I built this up for my wife 
>> to use as a loaner bike over the summer...needless to say she liked it, but 
>> now she is back in SLC with her Rivendell and I no longer have a need for 
>> it. Fits 700x35 with fenders on skinny rims with older-style cantilever 
>> brakes - Hoping for *$500 + shipping*. I'll need to hunt down a bike box.
>>
>> *Billie Bars* - They are in generally good condition...however, this is 
>> from the first batch where the clamp diameter is just ever so slightly less 
>> than 22.2, which means some brakes/shifters/etc. won't work well without a 
>> thin layer of electrical tape to add some extra diameter. However, some 
>> lower-end components will fit fine for whatever reason - Hoping for 
>> *$70+shipping.*
>>
>> I'm going through some other bits and bobs and will likely update the 
>> photo album, so if you see something that is of interest just let me know!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sactown
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Ian A]

Sorry, poor editing. I had written "if and when you put a scratch on it 
yourself, it might no feel as bad" but had intended to delete that entire 
sentence on the basis it felt trite.

Ian "always porof read" in Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 11:07:32 AM UTC-6 Ian A wrote:

> It would be a good idea to let the seller know it happened. Maybe they 
> have suggestions too. Otherwise, if you want this model and color, it makes 
> sense to keep the frame. Touch up by a professional would look just fine, 
> and it's an opportunity to personalise the frame too. I've seen a number of 
> early Rivendell customs with the owner's name painted in script on the top 
> tube, which was maybe a service one of the painters offered. 
>
> Either a close match touch up, a contrasting color touch up or something 
> very creative (designed by a young family member, maybe?) and just enjoy 
> your new gift to yourself. And if and when you put a scratch on the bike 
> yourself.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-6 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
>> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
>> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
>> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>>
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
>> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
>> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
>> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>>
>> -Kiley
>>
>> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Ian A]

It would be a good idea to let the seller know it happened. Maybe they have 
suggestions too. Otherwise, if you want this model and color, it makes 
sense to keep the frame. Touch up by a professional would look just fine, 
and it's an opportunity to personalise the frame too. I've seen a number of 
early Rivendell customs with the owner's name painted in script on the top 
tube, which was maybe a service one of the painters offered. 

Either a close match touch up, a contrasting color touch up or something 
very creative (designed by a young family member, maybe?) and just enjoy 
your new gift to yourself. And if and when you put a scratch on the bike 
yourself.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-6 Kiley Demond wrote:

> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>
> -Kiley
>
> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Garth]

I've been in a similar situation where I bought a used frame that was 
damaged in shipping. I never thought once of returning it even though it 
required the work of a frame builder. It was a perfect fitting bike, and it 
was at-hand. why would I return it ? Fix it and ride it baby !  I 
wasn't going to let a damaged dropout stop that. 

Paint scrapes on an otherwise intact bike , The disappointment or whatever 
emotion that arises, passes like water under the bridge look ! ... 
there it went ! 
When I was kid during summer my head seemed to have an affinity for rocks, 
hose ends, hockey sticks, and anything else that could fly through the air. 
ER visits requiring stitches were no big deal. ((( shrugs )))  yeah  so 
what ? Is that all there is to a few stitches ? ((( laughing ))) Really ?  
They give me a band-aid to cover the boo-boo and I was back to playing, as 
what is One's nature but to Play ? It's the most natural thing in the world 
.
So play !

Like that Peggy Lee song . 
*Is That All There Is ? *


*If that's all there is  (to this, that and the other so called wrongs 
of the world) . then let's keep dancing ..*

Testors paint, from my experience, will offer that vibrant, deep richness 
of that Orange paint. I've used nail polish but while the bottles looked so 
promising, in practice it just didn't have that depth the Testors does, at 
least the nail polish I tried. There's so many  sheesh. it makes 
your head spin. Maybe some brands offer better depth. Back in the day, one 
winter, I was feeling creative and hand painted some of the lugs orange on 
my Silver '83 Stumpjumpet with Testors and yes, that stuff is tough, and 
richly toned. Just painted right over the silver and they were a nice bold 
Orange with no see through ! 

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Joe Bernard]

Btw the frame itself isn't damaged, which I just realized is a worry you 
expressed in your post. No dent and it would take a long time for any rust 
to form, it just needs paint or nail polish to protect the surface. 

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 8:20:05 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is why I hate bike shipping! That's a nice frame with a now quite 
> unfortunate blemish, I'd be inclined to return it because I'm WAY too 
> touchy about scratches. But don't be like me, tell the seller you need $500 
> for new paint (that's about what it would cost) and either get it done or 
> keep the cash and go the touch-up route. The latter is still going to be 
> noticeable but Grant would tell us to get over ourselves and ride our Rivs! 
>
> Joe "don't be like me" Bernard 
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:19:01 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
>> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
>> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
>> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>>
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
>> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
>> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
>> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>>
>> -Kiley
>>
>> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Joe Bernard]

This is why I hate bike shipping! That's a nice frame with a now quite 
unfortunate blemish, I'd be inclined to return it because I'm WAY too 
touchy about scratches. But don't be like me, tell the seller you need $500 
for new paint (that's about what it would cost) and either get it done or 
keep the cash and go the touch-up route. The latter is still going to be 
noticeable but Grant would tell us to get over ourselves and ride our Rivs! 

Joe "don't be like me" Bernard 

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:19:01 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>
> -Kiley
>
> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[David Person]

I've played around with mixing a couple colors of modeler's enamel (Testors 
or Model Master), mixing on a paper plate, to try and match as closely the 
original paint.  Can likely do the same with nail polish, as Wesley 
mentions.  Now all my bikes are black so they are much easier to touch up 
with just gloss black Testors.
 

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:57:52 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> Ah, that's a tough break Kiley. I'd seek out the best match you can find 
> in Sally Hansen nail polish. Here's a quote from Grant's latest Blahg so 
> you know it's got official approval:
>
> "We (well, I) use nail polish. Joe Bell, world's best bike painter, once 
> told me he thought nail polish was super as touch-up paint, even tougher 
> than his own paint. It comes in tons of colors and costs $4 to $8 per vial, 
> and if you don't like your work, you can always use, you guessed it, nail 
> polish remover. Pedals are fun, but it's kind of a shame that you cover up 
> your work when you're riding. Do stems, seat posts, handlebars, hubs, inner 
> perimeters of rims, spokes, derailers (I did a sloppy job on my most-used 
> derailer, and ... I like it)." 
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:19:01 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
>> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
>> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
>> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>>
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
>> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
>> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
>> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>>
>> -Kiley
>>
>> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Kiley:

That’s too bad. On the plus side, it doesn’t look like the tubing was damaged, 
so this is entirely cosmetic.

A few thoughts:

Find a cool decal and put it over the scuff. Look on Etsy—there are plenty of 
interesting designs in all shapes and sizes. I did this once with a bike that 
had a few blemishes, which I covered with peace-symbol-shaped reflective 
stickers. I’ve also had good results covering damage like this with quality 
vinyl tape in a matching color (3M Trim and Seal is the best).

Take the bike to a sign painter or pinstriper. They have tons of colors on hand 
and are experts using a brush.

Good luck, and enjoy the bike. At least you have the trauma of the first 
scratch already over and done with!

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
> 
> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, I 
> took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels were 
> lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and the 
> hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
> 
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly disappointed. 
> I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can propose 
> remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a little bit of 
> marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the frame and reduce 
> the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up paint, but the frame is 
> from 2016, so
> 
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
> 
> -Kiley
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Clem L Paint Crisis

[Wesley]

Ah, that's a tough break Kiley. I'd seek out the best match you can find in 
Sally Hansen nail polish. Here's a quote from Grant's latest Blahg so you 
know it's got official approval:

"We (well, I) use nail polish. Joe Bell, world's best bike painter, once 
told me he thought nail polish was super as touch-up paint, even tougher 
than his own paint. It comes in tons of colors and costs $4 to $8 per vial, 
and if you don't like your work, you can always use, you guessed it, nail 
polish remover. Pedals are fun, but it's kind of a shame that you cover up 
your work when you're riding. Do stems, seat posts, handlebars, hubs, inner 
perimeters of rims, spokes, derailers (I did a sloppy job on my most-used 
derailer, and ... I like it)." 

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:19:01 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>
> -Kiley
>
> [image: IMG_3218D.jpeg][image: IMG_3222D.jpeg][image: IMG_3216D.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] WTB: shoe cover for rain

[Roberta]

To cover sneakers during my two mile each way commute, should it lightly 
rain.

Something like Riv Splats—yes, that’s what Riv calls them— would be fine ( 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/musa-splats-pair?_pos=1&_psq=splat&_ss=e&_v=1.0
 
 ) but I’m open to whatever you have. 

Needs to be a large or XL size because they’d be going over big bulky 
sneakers. 

Shipping to Philadelphia, PA 19106. 

Thanks, 
Roberta 

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