Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-06-29 Thread Leah Peterson
Yes, and if I only had one Platypus it would be jazzed up just like that poor 
Betty. I had to get a second so that one could be my Racing Platypus. 

> On Jun 29, 2022, at 9:33 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> 
> Boy you did have that Betty geared up.
> 
> Marc
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> You guys are funny. I mean, I might have been *accused* of being the 
>> Godzilla in the Velotaxonomy, but I was at least half Lone Wolf. But Marc, 
>> you are the original Lone Wolf. The Lone Wolf that will tolerate the 
>> Platypus Rider. 
>> 
>> I won’t make it a habit challenging the the strident spandex hamsters (Marc 
>> actually calls them this in person and gets by with it), but last night I 
>> was goaded into it on our Women’s Ride. There’s a straightaway that 
>> apparently means, “SPRINT” and everyone knows this except the oblivious 
>> Platypus Rider. I was chatting with a gal at the back of the group when we 
>> noticed them all take off like bats out of hell.  “Go catch her, Leah!”she 
>> yelled. Oh, is that what we do? Ok, I’ll try. I caught up to the 2 in the 
>> lead but the sprint was over before I could catch them. Next time I’ll be 
>> ready!
>> 
>> Here is from the old Godzilla days. No baguette, though: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Jun 29, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
 
>>> "Beautiful Godzilla" and "strident spandex hamsters"..I'm clearly behind 
>>> on the latest cycling terminology! 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
> It was just a few months ago Leah and her family moved to Kalamazoo from 
> Las Vegas, several people suggested she contact me about riding in the 
> area.  She was a self described "Beautiful Godzilla" (Bike Snob p. 75)  
> who had never ridden more than 17 miles and never with anybody else.  I 
> introduced her to the women in the local club and she reluctantly 
> participated in a few rides.  She is now a brilliant example of a 
> "Godzilla" in recovery who has moved on to bigger things leaving the 
> poodle behind.  Actually, she found out from riding with a regular group 
> that she is a lot better at this bike thing than she thought.  I don't 
> see her challenging the strident spandex hamsters on her gorgeous 
> platypus, but...
> 
> Marc
>  
> 
>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:42:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>> What a great story.   Very impressive. 
>> I think you've earned biking R-E-S-P-E-C-T. 
>> Congratulations.   
>>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 4:42:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> My first 100k ride is in the books!
>>> 
>>> Every year my bike club does a tour around the county. You choose a 
>>> route and sign up. I was going to do a 50 mile ride; my longest ride so 
>>> far is 35 miles, so I thought this would be a good starting point. I’ve 
>>> never been on a tour, and I don’t know how fast the Club expects one to 
>>> go - is this like a weekly club ride or something different? 
>>> 
>>> T talked me into a metric century. I’ve said before, I have stars in my 
>>> eyes for this amazing woman and if she says I can do 62 miles, I’m 
>>> doing 62 miles. My MNR leader was heading up the group, 15-16 mph would 
>>> be the pace. There would be 2 SAG stops. Here is my Racing Platypus 
>>> before the ride:
>>> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

2022-06-29 Thread brendonoid
Beautiful parts choice and build, and yeah, these hillibikes need short 
stems to run flat bars. They are lng.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-06-29 Thread Marc Irwin
Boy you did have that Betty geared up.

Marc

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> You guys are funny. I mean, I might have been *accused* of being the 
> Godzilla in the Velotaxonomy, but I was at least half Lone Wolf. But Marc, 
> you are the original Lone Wolf. The Lone Wolf that will tolerate the 
> Platypus Rider. 
>
> I won’t make it a habit challenging the the strident spandex hamsters 
> (Marc actually calls them this in person and gets by with it), but last 
> night I was goaded into it on our Women’s Ride. There’s a straightaway that 
> apparently means, “SPRINT” and everyone knows this except the oblivious 
> Platypus Rider. I was chatting with a gal at the back of the group when we 
> noticed them all take off like bats out of hell.  “Go catch her, Leah!”she 
> yelled. Oh, is that what we do? Ok, I’ll try. I caught up to the 2 in the 
> lead but the sprint was over before I could catch them. Next time I’ll be 
> ready!
>
> Here is from the old Godzilla days. No baguette, though: 
> [image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "Beautiful Godzilla" and "strident spandex hamsters"..I'm clearly behind 
> on the latest cycling terminology! 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> It was just a few months ago Leah and her family moved to Kalamazoo from 
>> Las Vegas, several people suggested she contact me about riding in the 
>> area.  She was a self described "Beautiful Godzilla" (Bike Snob p. 75)  who 
>> had never ridden more than 17 miles and never with anybody else.  I 
>> introduced her to the women in the local club and she reluctantly 
>> participated in a few rides.  She is now a brilliant example of a 
>> "Godzilla" in recovery who has moved on to bigger things leaving the poodle 
>> behind.  Actually, she found out from riding with a regular group that she 
>> is a lot better at this bike thing than she thought.  I don't see her 
>> challenging the strident spandex hamsters on her gorgeous platypus, but...
>>
>> Marc
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:42:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> What a great story.   Very impressive. 
>>> I think you've earned biking R-E-S-P-E-C-T. 
>>> Congratulations.   
>>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 4:42:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My first 100k ride is in the books!

 Every year my bike club does a tour around the county. You choose a 
 route and sign up. I was going to do a 50 mile ride; my longest ride so 
 far 
 is 35 miles, so I thought this would be a good starting point. I’ve never 
 been on a tour, and I don’t know how fast the Club expects one to go - is 
 this like a weekly club ride or something different? 

 T talked me into a metric century. I’ve said before, I have stars in my 
 eyes for this amazing woman and if she says I can do 62 miles, I’m doing 
 62 
 miles. My MNR leader was heading up the group, 15-16 mph would be the 
 pace. 
 There would be 2 SAG stops. Here is my Racing Platypus before the ride:

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

2022-06-29 Thread 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch

On my Proto-Bombadil.  So I guess you can be Sam, but Frodo is already 
taken.


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On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 8:04:39 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> One bike to rule them all.
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I think the 650B Ultradynamicos only come in one width. 48
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 5:18:28 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Ultradynamico has many 650B and 700c 42mm tires in stock for anyone 
>> looking for an alternative to the usual suspects. The Cava with it's fine 
>> file tread would be just fine for the road, 
>>
>> https://ultradynamico.com/pages/shop
>> On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 5:15:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Here you go: 
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx44-snoqualmie-pass/
>>>
>>> They do have one very big defect: they can cost $96 apiece, tho' the 
>>> budget Standard casing costs $74. Still, as someone who has used 2 models 
>>> of RH ELs (tho' not the Snoqualmie Pass), I can heartily confirm that RH 
>>> tires are worth the $$.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 6:54 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote: "... 
>>> I would have been happy finding any folding tires in 42-44 width, but it's 
>>> tough out there."
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Long Reach dual pivot sidepull brake calipers

2022-06-29 Thread Bill Lindsay
You've got a Rivendell build concept coming and you are collecting your 
parts.  Maybe it's a Betty Foy or a Cheviot.  Maybe it's a Hillborne 
sidepull build.  Maybe it's a current 650B Hilsen.  

These Tektro R365 came off my wife's Rivendell Yves Gomez that I'm parting 
out.  That bike sat mainly unridden for about 12 years.  These were the 
least expensive long reach calipers Rivendell sold back in 2010.  There's 
some surface rust on steely bits, which shows the age, but mechanically 
they are fine.  These would also be good for a low-budget 650B conversion.  
You can buy a new set of R559 from Rivendell today for $88 plus shipping.  
I'm asking $45 shipped for these brakes.  

I've added photos to the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr album.  Scroll 
to the end:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

I'll be away from my stuff for a few days, so my target shipping date will 
be Tuesday July 5th.   

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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 6 topics

2022-06-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Will, good on ya for using the bike year 'round in a NE climate.
Also interesting to hear more of what you and others use and prefer to
suffer. I expect that full GoreTex would be too hot (again, most of our
rain is summer rain); again, I used the Carradice Ducksback cape, wonderful
for coverage and easy on/off, for 1 summer's monsoon-worth of commuting,
and while it was very protective against the rain -- and entertaining; I'd
enjoy watching petroleum leachings making rainbow swirls on the puddle
forming between my arms; dump every 1/4 mile, but it would fill up again
very quickly. But it was thick waxed cotton apt for 60*F English summers,
not 85*F in the rain ABQ summers. The cheap, light nylon Campmore suitably
modified is almost as protective and far cooler, and it has a hood.

Fortunately for us, cold weather generally means dry weather, and I've long
ago worked out the best combinations for various cold temps for various
riding uses; I have "dressy" gear for church, say, and
"everyday" gear for shopping and ordinary "riding around." All involve
layers of wool with synthetic windbreak panels of one sort or another, in
various permutations. And +1,000 for pit zips. I had them added to one of
my winter over-shells. OTOH, the 2 very, very nice '80s wool+nylon+panels
Italian cycling jackets someone very, very kindly gave me are even better
for warmth with ventilation, given suitably cold weather -- they are warm!
But one doesn't overheat in them.

Back to warm weather: I've described in another thread the cheap ($14.99
Kohl's sale ~2015; but v well made) synthetic "quik-dri" ss button placket
shirts I've used for more dressy hot weather riding. These have a very nice
flapped ventilator mesh in back, so that air entering via unbuttoned collar
and up short sleeves exits in back to remove moisture and heat; they work
very well. Only, being synthetic, they will stink after a couple of hours.
I hope to have these copied in cotton using some high-quality all-cotton
dress shirts from Goodwill. We'll see.

Does anyone use a full chaincase for foul-weather riding? I'd bet that such
a thing, oil bath or not, would let chains live a normal life, no?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 7:34 AM Will Millhiser  wrote:

> Patrick, I live car-free, bike commuting year-round in a northeastern city
> (rain, snow, or shine) and find that waterproof/breathable Gore-Tex
> backpacker’s rain gear is about as good as it gets for bike commuting when
> you need your work/church clothes to stay dry in a cloudburst.
>
> I use a Goretex climber’s parka/shell with an adjustable hood specifically
> articulated for climbing helmets; hood fits over the bike helmet without
> impeding peripheral vision (brilliant!), keeping neck and collar dry.  Pit
> zips for the hottest rainy days.
>
> 8” LL Bean duck boots or Bogs rain boots on the feet; nothing else keeps
> the socks dry.  Sometimes I just go with Tevas — the warm water splashing
> the feet feels great (if you can ignore what might be in that water).
> Platform pedals, naturally.
>
> Fenders!  SKS longboards with mudflaps over Jack Brown tires.  And
> dynamo-hub-driven daytime running lights for safety.
>
> Hands are like feet. Either let 'em get wet... or a pair of Goretex
> gauntlet mountaineering mittens (the shells only).
>
> The weak link is the wire connector to the Shimano dynohub.  Water
> eventually penetrates no matter what I try. Lights out.
>
> To keep the rain pants off the chain, I have a crankset with an outer
> plate that is greater diameter than the big ring (what do you call this
> design?).  I thought some of the Quickbeams (and the Sugino cranks) came
> this way, but can't find any examples.  Even if pants brush the crank, they
> typically don't catch.  I go through 1-2 chains per year (despite religious
> monthly maintenance), derailleurs every 2-4 years, complete overhaul of all
> the brake and shifter cables annually.  The winter salt spray is the
> culprit.
>
> One might take further cues from the bicycle delivery guys in my city.
> They go for massive homemade mudflaps, helmets with integrated face
> shields, and cycling rain parkas that extend to the handlebars.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Will M
>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

2022-06-29 Thread Mike Packard
Christian: Awesome story & rad Platypus, thank you for sharing.

Phil: I have always wanted to try mounting my dynamo front light like that. 
Do you like it and does the wheel not interfere with the light too much in 
practical (nighttime) use?

Thanks
mike



On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 2:13:37 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great stuff - we need to start a Platypus fashion thread?
>
> And yeah you need a pump, my set up is almost identical to yours down to 
> the Kleen Kanteen. The pump is the Topeak Master Blaster Road in the small 
> size which works great, fits beautifully & sort of compliments the look of 
> the Platy. Plus, an additional bonus is that it protects the top tube if 
> you yank out the aluminum bottle a little too spiritedly!
>
> [image: PXL_20220629_190658387.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 1:58:06 PM UTC-5 bei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello to all my Platypus People!
>>
>>  As I mentioned in my original new-to-me PlatyPose post, when I first saw 
>> the all-black Platypus build from Crust, I was *inspired. *Then I 
>> happened upon Heather in NC’s post of her Pumpkin Platy with Continental 
>> Kings and *knew *step 1 for the mermaid platy would be all-black tires. 
>> As I bought it with grocery’s and future-baby-hauling in mind, I did want 
>> something that would roll reasonably on asphalt, but definitely something 
>> more robust than the original Shikoros, so 50mm Maxxis Ramblers it was. 
>>
>> Today I though of Leah P.’s tire-change story and flat fiasco followed by 
>> Adam Leibow of Calling in Sick Magazine and his article, “A Mechanics Guide 
>> to Romance” and was inspired. With my neighbors tools and advice, I 
>> de-fendered and un-Shikoro’d the platypus before adding the Ramblers. 
>>
>> That  done, I set out today in a sear-sucker plaid short sleave, andiamos 
>> beneath my regular shorts, and bedrock sandals- Bike Bedecked with a 
>> Simworks Bag and all!
>>
>> I picked up some spare chain links at University Bicycles here in 
>> Boulder, the last item I needed for my repair kit, and then set off North 
>> along the foothills and Wonderland Lake Trail. I took a gamble on some new 
>> miles on “Hogback Ridge” which was every bit as mountain bike-worthy as the 
>> name suggests. 
>>
>> Despite many a foot-down, steps walked, and pedal strikes on sizeable 
>> rocks, it was a blast picking my way up and down the Ridge, then under the 
>> 2 lane highway that connects Boulder with Lyons, and onto some single and 
>> double track in Boulder Valley Ranch north of town sandwiched between 36 
>> and the Boulder Reservoir. It was a trail I’d only ever done on my much 
>> shorter, 650b x 47mm setup Kona Rove gravel bike. That handled fine, but 
>> it’s not nearly as fun feeling or “planted” as the Platypus, with which I 
>> felt I could totally surf through the corners and really lean back on some 
>> steeper sections without feeling like I was going to endo.
>>
>> The 50mm tires did great despite some close-rim strikes, the long chain 
>> stays smoothed out frequent bumps on the trails, and the upright position 
>> made me feel much safer shakily pointing my platypus down a few rock-strewn 
>> hills. Plus, being able to jump off *forwards* when stuck climbing was a 
>> huge bonus. 
>>
>> Alas, I realized I had a flattening rear tire almost as soon as I 
>> re-found the asphalt and was winding my way through a residential 
>> neighborhood. Stopping to confirm the fact, my heart sank when I realized 
>> that the chain links were *not* the last tool I needed for my repair 
>> kit. I’d forgotten to put my hand pump and/or C02 cartridges back in the 
>> saddle bag. It’s great to *know *how to fix a flat and patch a tube, but 
>> it’s no use if you don’t have any way of getting air into it…
>>
>> Rather than attempting to inflate the presta valve like a balloon, I 
>> decided my best bet was to press onwards as the air level dwindled and see 
>> if anyone was in their driveway to ask about using a pump. Wouldn’t you 
>> know, at about 5:30 in the afternoon it just so happened that one of the 
>> first houses I passed featured a man who looked to be in his 60’s in his 
>> driveway who responded to my query with a cheerful affirmation. 
>>
>> I spent about 10minutes or so changing the flat. As I returned the pump, 
>> I noticed a beautiful metallic-tangerine Schwinn Mixte in the garage (think 
>> Bleriot or Romulus Riv blue, but in a tangerine/mandarin color). 
>>
>> “What a beautiful bike!” I complimented, “Reminds me a bit of mine!” as I 
>> gestured down the steep drive to my Platypus at the bottom.
>>
>> “Oh, thanks, yeah it’s my wife’s. She’s had it *since college! *We 
>> almost sold it at a tag sale, but when someone told us how valuable it was, 
>> we decided to keep it,” he replied. Turns out, instead of the $100 they 
>> were selling it for, they think it could be worth 200 or 300 dollars. 
>>
>> Feeling slightly uncomfortable about the price comparison of 

[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr 64 L Frameset, New

2022-06-29 Thread a spen
Some folks have asked for a link to pics, sooo..

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k71ErjNg0nbGcffp5ZzedFSBqvauB
SM6?usp=sharing

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 10:04:49 AM UTC-4 a spen wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I've got a 64 Clem Smith L available.  Riv blue, Virginesque*, (i.e. never 
> built). F/F/HS/SP/BB  
>
> How's $950 sound?
>
> Located in Blacksburg, VA, tho I've got some travel upcoming so could 
> possibly deliver.
>
> Can send or post a link to pics if wanted, just PM me.
>
> Thanks!
> Al in Blacksburg
>
>
> *Is that a word?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-06-29 Thread Joe Bernard
"Beautiful Godzilla" and "strident spandex hamsters"..I'm clearly behind on 
the latest cycling terminology! 

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> It was just a few months ago Leah and her family moved to Kalamazoo from 
> Las Vegas, several people suggested she contact me about riding in the 
> area.  She was a self described "Beautiful Godzilla" (Bike Snob p. 75)  who 
> had never ridden more than 17 miles and never with anybody else.  I 
> introduced her to the women in the local club and she reluctantly 
> participated in a few rides.  She is now a brilliant example of a 
> "Godzilla" in recovery who has moved on to bigger things leaving the poodle 
> behind.  Actually, she found out from riding with a regular group that she 
> is a lot better at this bike thing than she thought.  I don't see her 
> challenging the strident spandex hamsters on her gorgeous platypus, but...
>
> Marc
>  
>
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:42:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What a great story.   Very impressive. 
>> I think you've earned biking R-E-S-P-E-C-T. 
>> Congratulations.   
>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 4:42:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My first 100k ride is in the books!
>>>
>>> Every year my bike club does a tour around the county. You choose a 
>>> route and sign up. I was going to do a 50 mile ride; my longest ride so far 
>>> is 35 miles, so I thought this would be a good starting point. I’ve never 
>>> been on a tour, and I don’t know how fast the Club expects one to go - is 
>>> this like a weekly club ride or something different? 
>>>
>>> T talked me into a metric century. I’ve said before, I have stars in my 
>>> eyes for this amazing woman and if she says I can do 62 miles, I’m doing 62 
>>> miles. My MNR leader was heading up the group, 15-16 mph would be the pace. 
>>> There would be 2 SAG stops. Here is my Racing Platypus before the ride:
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: dynamo rebuild or new wheel

2022-06-29 Thread Will Boericke
Also a consideration for me is what conditions the bike sees.  On one of my 
commuters, I'd go through a rim in a year or two, so I'd be less inclined 
to reuse a 1/2 worn rim.  My road bikes only see fair weather, so a rim 
there lasts a decade.  In that case, I'd totally reuse the rim.

Will

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 11:07:04 AM UTC-4 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'd say another thing to consider is condition of the braking surface (i'm 
> assuming this is a non-disc application). If the existing rim has plenty of 
> life left, I see nothing wrong with re-using it. Personally if the brake 
> track on the existing rim had less than 50%-60% of its life left I would go 
> ahead and use a new rim while it is convenient. 
>
> Brian
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:59:45 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rebuilding the wheel is definitely what I would do, but there is a 
>> caveat.  Since the OP said they are not doing the work, then the decision 
>> will be influenced by the wheelbuilder.  There are plenty of wheelbuilders 
>> who will not use a used rim.  Many wheelbuilders want to be able to 
>> guarantee/warranty results, and feel that a used rim hinders their ability 
>> to control the results, and just won't do it on policy.  Also, when you pay 
>> for a wheel build, you are paying for the builders time and skill.  Taking 
>> apart an existing front wheel takes more time, so you should expect to pay 
>> more.  If you take apart the wheel yourself, then the wheelbuilder can't as 
>> easily assess that the used rim is good, and can't assess the relative 
>> quality of the previous build.  If you were having a wheel builder do a 
>> rim-swap on a wheel they originally built, then that simplifies it 
>> somewhat.  
>>
>> All of the above complications go away when you are your own wheel 
>> builder.  I make all those judgements myself, and at the end of the day I'm 
>> both the supplier and the customer.  I charge myself low rates, and provide 
>> myself great service :)  I don't always provide the fastest turnaround time 
>> to myself, but I cut myself a little slack.  :)  
>>
>> Discuss it with your builder.  This is all front wheels which are 
>> significantly lower risk.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all, very helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm glad to hear other folks think it makes sense to rebuild the wheel, 
>>> it seems simplest.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Adam
>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:03:17 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I swap rims and hubs and spokes all the time. I don't re-use spoke 
 nipples, though. But I never mismatch front and rear rims (black 
 Cliffhangers of 20" and 27.5" on my cargo bike), just goes against my 
 grain. I say lace the dyno hub into the existing rim. Keep the hub and 
 spokes, so they can be swapped back in if you want to move the dyno hub in 
 the future. 

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:53:48 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to work out my first dynamo setup. I have hub and lights, 
> but have a rim/wheel question.
>
> The bike that's getting dynamoed currently has a set of A23s in decent 
> shape. I'm no wheelbuilder myself, so I'm trying to decide between having 
> the shop use the rim from my current wheel and rebuild with the dynamo 
> hub 
> I have, or just buying a new rim and having an entirely new wheel built.
>
> A new rim -- A23 (silver polished) -- will be around $150. I have no 
> use, or space, for a 2nd wheel. Yet it seems kind of silly to dismantle a 
> working wheel to rebuild.
>
> Any advice on this??
>
> Maybe a secondary question - if I go the new rim route, any thoughts 
> on whether to go with another A23 vs a quill (or something else?) - The 
> rear is a polished silver A23.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
>
> Adam
>


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[RBW] Re: dynamo rebuild or new wheel

2022-06-29 Thread Brian Forsee
I'd say another thing to consider is condition of the braking surface (i'm 
assuming this is a non-disc application). If the existing rim has plenty of 
life left, I see nothing wrong with re-using it. Personally if the brake 
track on the existing rim had less than 50%-60% of its life left I would go 
ahead and use a new rim while it is convenient. 

Brian

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:59:45 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rebuilding the wheel is definitely what I would do, but there is a 
> caveat.  Since the OP said they are not doing the work, then the decision 
> will be influenced by the wheelbuilder.  There are plenty of wheelbuilders 
> who will not use a used rim.  Many wheelbuilders want to be able to 
> guarantee/warranty results, and feel that a used rim hinders their ability 
> to control the results, and just won't do it on policy.  Also, when you pay 
> for a wheel build, you are paying for the builders time and skill.  Taking 
> apart an existing front wheel takes more time, so you should expect to pay 
> more.  If you take apart the wheel yourself, then the wheelbuilder can't as 
> easily assess that the used rim is good, and can't assess the relative 
> quality of the previous build.  If you were having a wheel builder do a 
> rim-swap on a wheel they originally built, then that simplifies it 
> somewhat.  
>
> All of the above complications go away when you are your own wheel 
> builder.  I make all those judgements myself, and at the end of the day I'm 
> both the supplier and the customer.  I charge myself low rates, and provide 
> myself great service :)  I don't always provide the fastest turnaround time 
> to myself, but I cut myself a little slack.  :)  
>
> Discuss it with your builder.  This is all front wheels which are 
> significantly lower risk.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks all, very helpful.
>>
>> I'm glad to hear other folks think it makes sense to rebuild the wheel, 
>> it seems simplest.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adam
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:03:17 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I swap rims and hubs and spokes all the time. I don't re-use spoke 
>>> nipples, though. But I never mismatch front and rear rims (black 
>>> Cliffhangers of 20" and 27.5" on my cargo bike), just goes against my 
>>> grain. I say lace the dyno hub into the existing rim. Keep the hub and 
>>> spokes, so they can be swapped back in if you want to move the dyno hub in 
>>> the future. 
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:53:48 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I'm about to work out my first dynamo setup. I have hub and lights, but 
 have a rim/wheel question.

 The bike that's getting dynamoed currently has a set of A23s in decent 
 shape. I'm no wheelbuilder myself, so I'm trying to decide between having 
 the shop use the rim from my current wheel and rebuild with the dynamo hub 
 I have, or just buying a new rim and having an entirely new wheel built.

 A new rim -- A23 (silver polished) -- will be around $150. I have no 
 use, or space, for a 2nd wheel. Yet it seems kind of silly to dismantle a 
 working wheel to rebuild.

 Any advice on this??

 Maybe a secondary question - if I go the new rim route, any thoughts on 
 whether to go with another A23 vs a quill (or something else?) - The rear 
 is a polished silver A23.

 Thanks for your thoughts,

 Adam

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-06-29 Thread Marc Irwin
It was just a few months ago Leah and her family moved to Kalamazoo from 
Las Vegas, several people suggested she contact me about riding in the 
area.  She was a self described "Beautiful Godzilla" (Bike Snob p. 75)  who 
had never ridden more than 17 miles and never with anybody else.  I 
introduced her to the women in the local club and she reluctantly 
participated in a few rides.  She is now a brilliant example of a 
"Godzilla" in recovery who has moved on to bigger things leaving the poodle 
behind.  Actually, she found out from riding with a regular group that she 
is a lot better at this bike thing than she thought.  I don't see her 
challenging the strident spandex hamsters on her gorgeous platypus, but...

Marc
 

On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:42:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> What a great story.   Very impressive. 
> I think you've earned biking R-E-S-P-E-C-T. 
> Congratulations.   
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 4:42:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> My first 100k ride is in the books!
>>
>> Every year my bike club does a tour around the county. You choose a route 
>> and sign up. I was going to do a 50 mile ride; my longest ride so far is 35 
>> miles, so I thought this would be a good starting point. I’ve never been on 
>> a tour, and I don’t know how fast the Club expects one to go - is this like 
>> a weekly club ride or something different? 
>>
>> T talked me into a metric century. I’ve said before, I have stars in my 
>> eyes for this amazing woman and if she says I can do 62 miles, I’m doing 62 
>> miles. My MNR leader was heading up the group, 15-16 mph would be the pace. 
>> There would be 2 SAG stops. Here is my Racing Platypus before the ride:
>>
>>

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[RBW] Paint codes for Lime-Olive, Mustard Clem, XO-1 burnt orange?

2022-06-29 Thread Max S
Folks, 

I will be sending a Riv mixte frame to be repainted and am hoping to do it 
in a lime-olive color-way, as the kids say, of the Platypus. Failing that, 
we'd go for a slightly darker version of the Mustard in early Clems, or a 
burnt pumpkin orange of the XO-1. 

Does anyone know if there's a RAL paintcode for that that I could supply to 
the painter? 

- Max "who among us was never damaged in shipping" in A2

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[RBW] Re: dynamo rebuild or new wheel

2022-06-29 Thread Bill Lindsay
Rebuilding the wheel is definitely what I would do, but there is a caveat.  
Since the OP said they are not doing the work, then the decision will be 
influenced by the wheelbuilder.  There are plenty of wheelbuilders who will 
not use a used rim.  Many wheelbuilders want to be able to 
guarantee/warranty results, and feel that a used rim hinders their ability 
to control the results, and just won't do it on policy.  Also, when you pay 
for a wheel build, you are paying for the builders time and skill.  Taking 
apart an existing front wheel takes more time, so you should expect to pay 
more.  If you take apart the wheel yourself, then the wheelbuilder can't as 
easily assess that the used rim is good, and can't assess the relative 
quality of the previous build.  If you were having a wheel builder do a 
rim-swap on a wheel they originally built, then that simplifies it 
somewhat.  

All of the above complications go away when you are your own wheel 
builder.  I make all those judgements myself, and at the end of the day I'm 
both the supplier and the customer.  I charge myself low rates, and provide 
myself great service :)  I don't always provide the fastest turnaround time 
to myself, but I cut myself a little slack.  :)  

Discuss it with your builder.  This is all front wheels which are 
significantly lower risk.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> Thanks all, very helpful.
>
> I'm glad to hear other folks think it makes sense to rebuild the wheel, it 
> seems simplest.
>
> Best
>
> Adam
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:03:17 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I swap rims and hubs and spokes all the time. I don't re-use spoke 
>> nipples, though. But I never mismatch front and rear rims (black 
>> Cliffhangers of 20" and 27.5" on my cargo bike), just goes against my 
>> grain. I say lace the dyno hub into the existing rim. Keep the hub and 
>> spokes, so they can be swapped back in if you want to move the dyno hub in 
>> the future. 
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:53:48 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm about to work out my first dynamo setup. I have hub and lights, but 
>>> have a rim/wheel question.
>>>
>>> The bike that's getting dynamoed currently has a set of A23s in decent 
>>> shape. I'm no wheelbuilder myself, so I'm trying to decide between having 
>>> the shop use the rim from my current wheel and rebuild with the dynamo hub 
>>> I have, or just buying a new rim and having an entirely new wheel built.
>>>
>>> A new rim -- A23 (silver polished) -- will be around $150. I have no 
>>> use, or space, for a 2nd wheel. Yet it seems kind of silly to dismantle a 
>>> working wheel to rebuild.
>>>
>>> Any advice on this??
>>>
>>> Maybe a secondary question - if I go the new rim route, any thoughts on 
>>> whether to go with another A23 vs a quill (or something else?) - The rear 
>>> is a polished silver A23.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: dynamo rebuild or new wheel

2022-06-29 Thread Adam
Thanks all, very helpful.

I'm glad to hear other folks think it makes sense to rebuild the wheel, it 
seems simplest.

Best

Adam
On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:03:17 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I swap rims and hubs and spokes all the time. I don't re-use spoke 
> nipples, though. But I never mismatch front and rear rims (black 
> Cliffhangers of 20" and 27.5" on my cargo bike), just goes against my 
> grain. I say lace the dyno hub into the existing rim. Keep the hub and 
> spokes, so they can be swapped back in if you want to move the dyno hub in 
> the future. 
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:53:48 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm about to work out my first dynamo setup. I have hub and lights, but 
>> have a rim/wheel question.
>>
>> The bike that's getting dynamoed currently has a set of A23s in decent 
>> shape. I'm no wheelbuilder myself, so I'm trying to decide between having 
>> the shop use the rim from my current wheel and rebuild with the dynamo hub 
>> I have, or just buying a new rim and having an entirely new wheel built.
>>
>> A new rim -- A23 (silver polished) -- will be around $150. I have no use, 
>> or space, for a 2nd wheel. Yet it seems kind of silly to dismantle a 
>> working wheel to rebuild.
>>
>> Any advice on this??
>>
>> Maybe a secondary question - if I go the new rim route, any thoughts on 
>> whether to go with another A23 vs a quill (or something else?) - The rear 
>> is a polished silver A23.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 6 topics

2022-06-29 Thread Will Millhiser
Patrick, I live car-free, bike commuting year-round in a northeastern city
(rain, snow, or shine) and find that waterproof/breathable Gore-Tex
backpacker’s rain gear is about as good as it gets for bike commuting when
you need your work/church clothes to stay dry in a cloudburst.

I use a Goretex climber’s parka/shell with an adjustable hood specifically
articulated for climbing helmets; hood fits over the bike helmet without
impeding peripheral vision (brilliant!), keeping neck and collar dry.  Pit
zips for the hottest rainy days.

8” LL Bean duck boots or Bogs rain boots on the feet; nothing else keeps
the socks dry.  Sometimes I just go with Tevas — the warm water splashing
the feet feels great (if you can ignore what might be in that water).
Platform pedals, naturally.

Fenders!  SKS longboards with mudflaps over Jack Brown tires.  And
dynamo-hub-driven daytime running lights for safety.

Hands are like feet. Either let 'em get wet... or a pair of Goretex
gauntlet mountaineering mittens (the shells only).

The weak link is the wire connector to the Shimano dynohub.  Water
eventually penetrates no matter what I try. Lights out.

To keep the rain pants off the chain, I have a crankset with an outer plate
that is greater diameter than the big ring (what do you call this
design?).  I thought some of the Quickbeams (and the Sugino cranks) came
this way, but can't find any examples.  Even if pants brush the crank, they
typically don't catch.  I go through 1-2 chains per year (despite religious
monthly maintenance), derailleurs every 2-4 years, complete overhaul of all
the brake and shifter cables annually.  The winter salt spray is the
culprit.

One might take further cues from the bicycle delivery guys in my city.
They go for massive homemade mudflaps, helmets with integrated face
shields, and cycling rain parkas that extend to the handlebars.

Hope this helps.

Will M

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 9:49 AM  wrote:

> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
>  Google
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> 
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> Topic digest
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> 
>
>- Carradice SQR Slim (16 litres) + **3** seatpost brackets + extra kit
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><#m_434723051062270923_group_thread_4> - 1 Update
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><#m_434723051062270923_group_thread_5> - 1 Update
>
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> shipped CONUS
> 
> Patrick Moore : Jun 27 01:35PM -0600
>
> VG condition. A bit of dust. The scuff plate looks worse in the photo than
> it is in real life.
>
> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR brackets + many extra brackets of different
> sizes.
>
> 16 litres capacity; for perspective, the Nelson sans Longflap but with side
> pockets has an 18 litre capcity.
>
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> with room to expose the 2 Seculites attached to seatstay rack bosses.
>
> Please reply offlist to bertin753 [at] gmail.com.
>
> Thanks.
>
> PS: A TA 170 mm Pro 5 Vis crankset (actually, arms, single very used 46 t
> ring + ss hardware) in otherwise v good condition may soon be advertised
> for sale; watch this space.
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>
> ---
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>
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>
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> situations, and the resulting marks covered with tape; it still works fine.
> The other frame is as new.
>
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>
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> it is in real life.
>
> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR brackets + many extra brackets of different
> sizes.
>
> 16 litres capacity; for perspective, the Nelson sans Longflap but with side
> pockets has an 18 litre capcity.
>
> This fit my Matthews 1:1 with tires almost 30" tall and fenders over those,
> with room to expose the 2 

[RBW] Re: dynamo rebuild or new wheel

2022-06-29 Thread lconley
I swap rims and hubs and spokes all the time. I don't re-use spoke nipples, 
though. But I never mismatch front and rear rims (black Cliffhangers of 20" 
and 27.5" on my cargo bike), just goes against my grain. I say lace the 
dyno hub into the existing rim. Keep the hub and spokes, so they can be 
swapped back in if you want to move the dyno hub in the future. 

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:53:48 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm about to work out my first dynamo setup. I have hub and lights, but 
> have a rim/wheel question.
>
> The bike that's getting dynamoed currently has a set of A23s in decent 
> shape. I'm no wheelbuilder myself, so I'm trying to decide between having 
> the shop use the rim from my current wheel and rebuild with the dynamo hub 
> I have, or just buying a new rim and having an entirely new wheel built.
>
> A new rim -- A23 (silver polished) -- will be around $150. I have no use, 
> or space, for a 2nd wheel. Yet it seems kind of silly to dismantle a 
> working wheel to rebuild.
>
> Any advice on this??
>
> Maybe a secondary question - if I go the new rim route, any thoughts on 
> whether to go with another A23 vs a quill (or something else?) - The rear 
> is a polished silver A23.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
>
> Adam
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell tee, Big Agnes pad, derailers (mostly free), wool, etc.

2022-06-29 Thread Eric Marth
Suntour mech is gone, thanks. 
On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-4 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Right on thanks I'll let him know!
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 12:20 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Joe — It was too short for a 1985 MB-3, 23" frame. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 11:24:11 AM UTC-4 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Eric,
>>>
>>> Which frame was the fork too short for? The guy I sold my 89 MB-2 
>>> expressed interest in a fork that a rack can mount too and so I’m inquiring 
>>> on his behalf. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2022, at 8:15 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> A few people have asked about the fork and to clarify, it's for 26" 
>>> wheels. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Here's an updated list. Thanks again! 

 *Spinner Fork 1-Inch Threaded 22.2x27  Black: $50*
 Picked this up for a project but it was too short for my frame. Black 
 fork from Spinner, stamped 1990. From crown (where race sits) to top of 
 steerer is 21.4cm. There’s 3cm of threads. Nice shape overall, some scuffs 
 through paint here and there. Weight appears to be written on top of 
 steerer: 950.3 grams. Please let me know if you need additional 
 measurements. 


 *Malinmore Irish wool sweater: $25*This is a beautiful, soft sweater 
 made in Ireland. I'm sad to let it go but it's just a touch too short in 
 the sleeves and overall. Vintage stuff! Small hole as shown. Cozy as all 
 get-out. Some pilling throughout, could be touched up with a sweater 
 stone.  Labeled a 42 but it's smaller, please see measurements. 
 Pit to pit: 22”
 Top of collar to bottom hem: 24”
 Pit to cuff: 20-1/4”


 *LL Bean Trekking Sweater: $40*I know it's summer but that hasn't 
 stopped me from culling winter stuffs. This sweater is from the 1980s and 
 made in England from new British wool. I am convinced it's from the same 
 mill that makes the Wooly Warm sweaters for Rivendell. The knit and color 
 are identical. The cuff and ribbing details are also the same. This 
 sweater 
 is a bit heavier than the Wooly Warm garments. Nice henley collar. A great 
 sweater, I have two of them. At one point Grant asked me to send detailed 
 pics and measurements for him to send to their sweater makers because he 
 liked the design but... nothing ever came of it. 

 Pit to pit: 23”
 Pit to cuff: 18.5” (with cuff folded in half)
 Top of collar to bottom hem: 26”


 *Shimano Arabesque 600 rear derailer, short cage: Free*This is missing 
 the hanger bolt and the bolt that attaches the upper jockey wheel. Yours 
 for shipping. Very groovy design. This is pretty greasy and dirty, but 
 please keep the price in mind! 


 *Suntour VG-T rear derailer: Free*Missing lower jockey wheel, yours 
 for shipping. 

 On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:45:56 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Thanks for all the interest so far. 
>
> I've greyed out the stuff that is pending sale. 
>
>
> *Spinner Fork 1-Inch Threaded 22.2x27  Black: $50*
> Picked this up for a project but it was too short for my frame. Black 
> fork from Spinner, stamped 1990. From crown (where race sits) to top of 
> steerer is 21.4cm. There’s 3cm of threads. Nice shape overall, some 
> scuffs 
> through paint here and there. Weight appears to be written on top of 
> steerer: 950.3 grams. Please let me know if you need additional 
> measurements.
>
> *Big Agnes Insulated Air Core sleeping pad: Free  *
> This is free for shipping. I got it used and have never slept on it. 
> It has a small hole somewhere but I haven't spent much time trying to 
> find 
> it and repair it. Repair kits included. 
>
> *Malinmore Irish wool sweater: $25*
> This is a beautiful, soft sweater made in Ireland. I'm sad to let it 
> go but it's just a touch too short in the sleeves and overall. Vintage 
> stuff! Small hole as shown. Cozy as all get-out. Some pilling throughout, 
> could be touched up with a sweater stone.  Labeled a 42 but it's smaller, 
> please see measurements. 
>
> Pit to pit: 22”
> Top of collar to bottom hem: 24”
> Pit to cuff: 20-1/4”
> *Rivendell pocket tee: $25*
> I picked this up at the Philly Bike Expo in 2021. Size large, ash 
> gray, no issues. Printed on Will's fave: Gildan. Would trade for a Medium 
> of the same OR another groovy Rivendell tee shirt in medium or maybe 
> large. 
>
> *LL Bean Trekking Sweater: $40*
> I know it's summer but that hasn't stopped me from culling winter 
> stuffs. This sweater is from the 1980s and made in England from new 
> British 
> wool. I am convinced it's from the same mill that makes the Wooly Warm 
> sweaters for 

Re: [RBW] dynamo rebuild or new wheel

2022-06-29 Thread Garth
Well Adam if you truly have no use or space for a second wheel then it 
doesn't matter what's done any which way. 

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 7:05:29 PM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:

> If you sold your used wheel, then you probably wouldn't get more than the 
> cost of a new rim, so instead, I would rebuild the wheel with your current 
> (in good shape) rim + dynamo hub and sell the used front hub separately.  I 
> use an A23 rim on my custom Riv with dynamo hub, and it works great.  Maybe 
> I would choose a quill rim if I had the option to build from scratch today, 
> but definitely do not have a need to replace my current wheel.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 3:53 PM Adam  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm about to work out my first dynamo setup. I have hub and lights, but 
>> have a rim/wheel question.
>>
>> The bike that's getting dynamoed currently has a set of A23s in decent 
>> shape. I'm no wheelbuilder myself, so I'm trying to decide between having 
>> the shop use the rim from my current wheel and rebuild with the dynamo hub 
>> I have, or just buying a new rim and having an entirely new wheel built.
>>
>> A new rim -- A23 (silver polished) -- will be around $150. I have no use, 
>> or space, for a 2nd wheel. Yet it seems kind of silly to dismantle a 
>> working wheel to rebuild.
>>
>> Any advice on this??
>>
>> Maybe a secondary question - if I go the new rim route, any thoughts on 
>> whether to go with another A23 vs a quill (or something else?) - The rear 
>> is a polished silver A23.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>
>> Adam
>>
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