[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 6:06:48 am UTC+10 aeroperf wrote:

> I tried the Schwalbe Marathon 622x37 at 65 psi for a year.  It was like 
> riding through mud
>

There are multiple different models that Schwalbe call Marathon. Have a 
look here: https://www.schwalbe.com/en/city-tour - there are a dozen 
different models that are Marathon , and there's quite a 
difference between those models. And even within the one model, they make 
different versions intended either for tubeless or tubed use. For example, 
I have Marathon Plus on my commuter, which are extremely puncture resistant 
but very stiff and don't give a very pleasant ride, whereas I have Marathon 
Almotion on my touring bike, which are a much nicer feeling tyre to ride on.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Nick Payne]

So far as Rivendell models go, I have:

A Riv custom frame from late last century
A Romulus
A Bleriot
An Appaloosa

If I could only keep one, it would probably be the Bleriot, as the closest 
thing to an all-round bike.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Steven Sweedler]

I had 4 Rivs, a Riv Road custom, a 700c All Rounder, a Hunquapillar, and a
Atlantis, and still I would love to find a 26” All Rounder. Grant convinced
me that 26” whees were lighter and stronger, and have never been able to
shake it. Steve

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 7:05 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> The one bike probably depends upon which uses you are straddling.  I tend
> to be on the road/touring and road/light off-trail use mix, so my one bike
> would probably be my A Homer Hilson (AHH)/Sam HIllborne bike.  (I have the
> AHH, but am lucky enough not to need to choose one bike.)  (If I were
> strictly road/club riding, then I would go with the Roadeo/Roadini).
>
> My other do-almost everything bike is my Cheviot, which I use for
> commuting/light touring/light off trail (only no fast road rides)--Platypus
> would be the current production equivalent.
>
> So, 1 bike: AHH, 2 bikes: Roadeo/Cheviot (It's always fun to think about
> bike N and N+1 :-)
>
> Welcome to the group.
>
> Toshi in Oakland
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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[EricP]

Depends on your planned use. So far have owned - 
Toyo Atlantis (too small, but nice ride anyway)
Green Sam Hillborne (sidepulls)
SimpleOne 
Blue Sam Hillborne double top tube (sidepulls)
59 Clem Smith Jr. L

Still own the last two. But since getting the Clem it gets most of the 
riding time. Mainly use the SH when riding where I need to put the bike on 
a vehicle rack. Also the Hillborne needs new tires and I haven't taken the 
time to go to a store to buy a set of Marathon Racers. Or even regular 
Marathons.

The Clem is just fun to ride. Now, it could be because I am very overweight 
the heavier bike doesn't seem slower. Or maybe it's the wider tires that 
make it more fun on our local paths.

However, when I was commuting to work a couple times a month, the Hillborne 
was the ticket. And I used to do some longer rides on it. So there is 
nothing wrong with the bike. It's quite nice. Just that the Clem is even 
nicer. At least for me and where I am as a cyclist.

Also think that the Clem is probably triggering memories of my first "good" 
bike, a 1984 Specalized Stumpjumper with the long chainstays. Raced, 
commuted and just rode that one quite a lot until it was stolen.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:05:28 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> The one bike probably depends upon which uses you are straddling.  I tend 
> to be on the road/touring and road/light off-trail use mix, so my one bike 
> would probably be my A Homer Hilson (AHH)/Sam HIllborne bike.  (I have the 
> AHH, but am lucky enough not to need to choose one bike.)  (If I were 
> strictly road/club riding, then I would go with the Roadeo/Roadini). 
>
> My other do-almost everything bike is my Cheviot, which I use for 
> commuting/light touring/light off trail (only no fast road rides)--Platypus 
> would be the current production equivalent.
>
> So, 1 bike: AHH, 2 bikes: Roadeo/Cheviot (It's always fun to think about 
> bike N and N+1 :-)
>
> Welcome to the group.
>
> Toshi in Oakland
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Toshi Takeuchi]

The one bike probably depends upon which uses you are straddling.  I tend
to be on the road/touring and road/light off-trail use mix, so my one bike
would probably be my A Homer Hilson (AHH)/Sam HIllborne bike.  (I have the
AHH, but am lucky enough not to need to choose one bike.)  (If I were
strictly road/club riding, then I would go with the Roadeo/Roadini).

My other do-almost everything bike is my Cheviot, which I use for
commuting/light touring/light off trail (only no fast road rides)--Platypus
would be the current production equivalent.

So, 1 bike: AHH, 2 bikes: Roadeo/Cheviot (It's always fun to think about
bike N and N+1 :-)

Welcome to the group.

Toshi in Oakland

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

Typo. Sotherland. 

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 4:02:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The pink/white fade on that Southerland is too cool, I'm a sucker for '80s 
> neon. Rad! 
>
> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:03:24 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Today was a women’s ride. 29 miles at over 16 mph, and it was great. Such 
>> a nice group of women. Many of them ride TO the ride, and then ride home 
>> again. I come from the opposite end of the city, so I am always stuck 
>> driving. Anyway, I have some photos but first let’s take a minute to 
>> appreciate this lugged, steel bike that belongs to my ride leader. You’ll 
>> see her decals say “Sotherland.” That does happen to be her name, yes, but 
>> it is also the builder’s name. John Sotherland used to build the Rivendell 
>> frames in the Waterford days; he has since opened his own shop. John is a 
>> brother-in-law to my ride leader, and he made her this beautiful pink and 
>> white fade bike in 1988. This is the original paint job. I did not have 
>> time to ask about the fork, but aren’t her chainstays interesting? We were 
>> pulled over on a highway waiting for a rider to fix her flat, so I 
>> hurriedly took these few shots. 
>>
>> Save this one bike, all the rest were carbon.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 9:59:15 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, and if I only had one Platypus it would be jazzed up just like that 
>>> poor Betty. I had to get a second so that one could be my Racing Platypus. 
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2022, at 9:33 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Boy you did have that Betty geared up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You guys are funny. I mean, I might have been *accused* of being the 
 Godzilla in the Velotaxonomy, but I was at least half Lone Wolf. But Marc, 
 you are the original Lone Wolf. The Lone Wolf that will tolerate the 
 Platypus Rider. 

 I won’t make it a habit challenging the the strident spandex hamsters 
 (Marc actually calls them this in person and gets by with it), but last 
 night I was goaded into it on our Women’s Ride. There’s a straightaway 
 that 
 apparently means, “SPRINT” and everyone knows this except the oblivious 
 Platypus Rider. I was chatting with a gal at the back of the group when we 
 noticed them all take off like bats out of hell.  “Go catch her, Leah!”she 
 yelled. Oh, is that what we do? Ok, I’ll try. I caught up to the 2 in the 
 lead but the sprint was over before I could catch them. Next time I’ll be 
 ready!

 Here is from the old Godzilla days. No baguette, though: 
 [image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]


 On Jun 29, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 "Beautiful Godzilla" and "strident spandex hamsters"..I'm clearly 
 behind on the latest cycling terminology! 



 On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:

> It was just a few months ago Leah and her family moved to Kalamazoo 
> from Las Vegas, several people suggested she contact me about riding in 
> the 
> area.  She was a self described "Beautiful Godzilla" (Bike Snob p. 75)  
> who 
> had never ridden more than 17 miles and never with anybody else.  I 
> introduced her to the women in the local club and she reluctantly 
> participated in a few rides.  She is now a brilliant example of a 
> "Godzilla" in recovery who has moved on to bigger things leaving the 
> poodle 
> behind.  Actually, she found out from riding with a regular group that 
> she 
> is a lot better at this bike thing than she thought.  I don't see her 
> challenging the strident spandex hamsters on her gorgeous platypus, but...
>
> Marc
>  
>
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:42:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What a great story.   Very impressive. 
>> I think you've earned biking R-E-S-P-E-C-T. 
>> Congratulations.   
>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 4:42:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My first 100k ride is in the books!
>>>
>>> Every year my bike club does a tour around the county. You choose a 
>>> route and sign up. I was going to do a 50 mile ride; my longest ride so 
>>> far 
>>> is 35 miles, so I thought this would be a good starting point. I’ve 
>>> never 
>>> been on a tour, and I don’t know how fast the Club expects one to go - 
>>> is 
>>> this like a weekly club ride or something different? 
>>>
>>> T talked me into a metric century. I’ve said before, I have stars in 
>>> my eyes for this amazing woman and if she says I can do 62 miles, I’m 
>>> doing 
>>> 62 miles. My MNR leader was heading up the group, 15-16 mph would be 
>>> the 
>>> pace. There would be 2 SAG stops. Here is my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

The pink/white fade on that Southerland is too cool, I'm a sucker for '80s 
neon. Rad! 

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:03:24 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Today was a women’s ride. 29 miles at over 16 mph, and it was great. Such 
> a nice group of women. Many of them ride TO the ride, and then ride home 
> again. I come from the opposite end of the city, so I am always stuck 
> driving. Anyway, I have some photos but first let’s take a minute to 
> appreciate this lugged, steel bike that belongs to my ride leader. You’ll 
> see her decals say “Sotherland.” That does happen to be her name, yes, but 
> it is also the builder’s name. John Sotherland used to build the Rivendell 
> frames in the Waterford days; he has since opened his own shop. John is a 
> brother-in-law to my ride leader, and he made her this beautiful pink and 
> white fade bike in 1988. This is the original paint job. I did not have 
> time to ask about the fork, but aren’t her chainstays interesting? We were 
> pulled over on a highway waiting for a rider to fix her flat, so I 
> hurriedly took these few shots. 
>
> Save this one bike, all the rest were carbon.
> Leah
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 9:59:15 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, and if I only had one Platypus it would be jazzed up just like that 
>> poor Betty. I had to get a second so that one could be my Racing Platypus. 
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2022, at 9:33 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>
>> Boy you did have that Betty geared up.
>>
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You guys are funny. I mean, I might have been *accused* of being the 
>>> Godzilla in the Velotaxonomy, but I was at least half Lone Wolf. But Marc, 
>>> you are the original Lone Wolf. The Lone Wolf that will tolerate the 
>>> Platypus Rider. 
>>>
>>> I won’t make it a habit challenging the the strident spandex hamsters 
>>> (Marc actually calls them this in person and gets by with it), but last 
>>> night I was goaded into it on our Women’s Ride. There’s a straightaway that 
>>> apparently means, “SPRINT” and everyone knows this except the oblivious 
>>> Platypus Rider. I was chatting with a gal at the back of the group when we 
>>> noticed them all take off like bats out of hell.  “Go catch her, Leah!”she 
>>> yelled. Oh, is that what we do? Ok, I’ll try. I caught up to the 2 in the 
>>> lead but the sprint was over before I could catch them. Next time I’ll be 
>>> ready!
>>>
>>> Here is from the old Godzilla days. No baguette, though: 
>>> [image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "Beautiful Godzilla" and "strident spandex hamsters"..I'm clearly 
>>> behind on the latest cycling terminology! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:31:07 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
 It was just a few months ago Leah and her family moved to Kalamazoo 
 from Las Vegas, several people suggested she contact me about riding in 
 the 
 area.  She was a self described "Beautiful Godzilla" (Bike Snob p. 75)  
 who 
 had never ridden more than 17 miles and never with anybody else.  I 
 introduced her to the women in the local club and she reluctantly 
 participated in a few rides.  She is now a brilliant example of a 
 "Godzilla" in recovery who has moved on to bigger things leaving the 
 poodle 
 behind.  Actually, she found out from riding with a regular group that she 
 is a lot better at this bike thing than she thought.  I don't see her 
 challenging the strident spandex hamsters on her gorgeous platypus, but...

 Marc
  

 On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:42:23 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> What a great story.   Very impressive. 
> I think you've earned biking R-E-S-P-E-C-T. 
> Congratulations.   
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 4:42:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> My first 100k ride is in the books!
>>
>> Every year my bike club does a tour around the county. You choose a 
>> route and sign up. I was going to do a 50 mile ride; my longest ride so 
>> far 
>> is 35 miles, so I thought this would be a good starting point. I’ve 
>> never 
>> been on a tour, and I don’t know how fast the Club expects one to go - 
>> is 
>> this like a weekly club ride or something different? 
>>
>> T talked me into a metric century. I’ve said before, I have stars in 
>> my eyes for this amazing woman and if she says I can do 62 miles, I’m 
>> doing 
>> 62 miles. My MNR leader was heading up the group, 15-16 mph would be the 
>> pace. There would be 2 SAG stops. Here is my Racing Platypus before the 
>> ride:
>>
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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[J J]

Hahaha. Leah, I think you already took the cake! You having a pair of 
Platypuses has always seemed perfectly reasonable, natural, and sensible. 
Now if I can only find another 58 Hunqapillar I'll be all set. (I suppose 
I'd settle for a Bombadil...)
This thread is great.

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 4:45:16 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

> #1 model to choose: the one you have/could easily get. For me that is the 
> Appaloosa which I have now.
> If I were starting all over...
> #1 dream, but I cannot get it right now is the original Atlantis 64cm with 
> one top tube. 
> **Let me know if you are getting rid of one**
> #2 Appaloosa
> #3 Original Hunq
> But they are all so good I do not want to rank them and would be happy 
> with any model from any year.
>
> Edwin 
>

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Edwin W]

#1 model to choose: the one you have/could easily get. For me that is the 
Appaloosa which I have now.
If I were starting all over...
#1 dream, but I cannot get it right now is the original Atlantis 64cm with 
one top tube. 
**Let me know if you are getting rid of one**
#2 Appaloosa
#3 Original Hunq
But they are all so good I do not want to rank them and would be happy with 
any model from any year.

Edwin 

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Leah Peterson]

Hey, thanks! Yes, I am running Ultradynamico on the raspberry bike. I do like 
them, a lot, actually. Though I hear they wear out quick (maybe 1k miles) when 
you run them tubeless, which I do. 

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 3:40 PM, Alexander Chalmers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice pair of platypuses (platypi?)! 
> 
> Are you running ultradynamico tires? How do you like them? I've been 
> considering some Cavas for my CX bike
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 2:27 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> Oh, how I am loving this thread. JJ’s wife takes the cake with her 
>> Wilbury/Glorius pair. Love it, love it. See? It’s a perfectly good idea to 
>> have two of the same bike, and she knows it too! I am so enjoying everyone’s 
>> photos and descriptions of what they like about their Rivendells, keep them 
>> coming. 
>> 
>> My vote - big surprise - goes to the elegant Rivendell Platypus as well. 
>> There is no downside to a Platypus. I could not get enough of my raspberry 
>> Platy so I searched until I found another Platy frame and then built that 
>> one up to haul. Never be without your Platypus, that’s my motto! I find it a 
>> great comfort to have a 2nd Platypus; I used to have one bike, a Betty Foy, 
>> and had a recurring nightmare that it got stolen. My subconscious was so 
>> distressed over the loss of the bike that by the end of the dream I would 
>> always miraculously find a spare Betty Foy frame in a box in my garage, this 
>> making it all ok.
>> 
>> I love the Rivendell mixtes; Rivendell puts the best of what they are into 
>> their mixte line, I have always thought. And like the product page says, all 
>> Rivendells are beautiful, but the Platypus is the *most* beautiful 
>> Rivendell. Not that it suffers practicality on account of its looks - it is 
>> dead useful and supremely comfortable. I use mine for club rides, 
>> errand-running, shopping, and pleasure rides. Smart AND beautiful. That’s 
>> why it’s my favorite.
>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Yes, Wilbury/Glorius-Betty Foy/Yves Gomez-Cheviot-Platypus. We got here 
>>> from there. 
>>> 
 On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Love that Hunqapillar! I've never heard of the Wilburt/Glorius but looks 
 nice - the raw metal is awesome. Looks like the Platypus may be similar, 
 albeit with a longer wheelbase?
 
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:42 AM J J  wrote:
> I'm with Joel in that I prefer shorter-wheelbase, shorter-chain stay 
> Rivendell models, though shorter is relative. I favor fully lugged 
> models, though it makes sense for Rivendell to have more accessible 
> offerings (accessible is also relative).
> 
> For me it's the Hunqapillar all the way. It excels at everything I do 
> with it, whether unloaded and tossing it around on skinny (haha) 42s or 
> hauling 75 pounds of stuff rolling on 55s. It doesn't break a sweat and 
> always feels incredibly stable and ready for more. 
> 
> For my partner it's the Wilbury/Glorius, from the era preceding super 
> long wheelbase step-through models. (Her previous bike had a much longer 
> wheelbase, which she found cumbersome and clunky after she road the 
> Wilbury.) She loved the Wilbury ride and lovely construction so much that 
> she got a companion Glorius in raw metal. 
> 
> Leah is not the only one to double down on a step-through she loves!! :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:58:03 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and a SimpleOne, if I did it all over again, I'd 
>>> go for a Hunqapillar, but, I'd totally be happy with a Appaloosa. I 
>>> also own a Trek 620, Tanglefoot Moonshiner, and a Kogswell PR II.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Alexander Chalmers]

Nice pair of platypuses (platypi?)!

Are you running ultradynamico tires? How do you like them? I've been
considering some Cavas for my CX bike

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 2:27 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, how I am loving this thread. JJ’s wife takes the cake with her
> Wilbury/Glorius pair. Love it, love it. See? It’s a perfectly good idea to
> have two of the same bike, and she knows it too! I am so enjoying
> everyone’s photos and descriptions of what they like about their
> Rivendells, keep them coming.
>
> My vote - big surprise - goes to the elegant Rivendell Platypus as well.
> There is no downside to a Platypus. I could not get enough of my raspberry
> Platy so I searched until I found another Platy frame and then built that
> one up to haul. Never be without your Platypus, that’s my motto! I find it
> a great comfort to have a 2nd Platypus; I used to have one bike, a Betty
> Foy, and had a recurring nightmare that it got stolen. My subconscious was
> so distressed over the loss of the bike that by the end of the dream I
> would always miraculously find a spare Betty Foy frame in a box in my
> garage, this making it all ok.
>
> I love the Rivendell mixtes; Rivendell puts the best of what they are into
> their mixte line, I have always thought. And like the product page says,
> all Rivendells are beautiful, but the Platypus is the *most* beautiful
> Rivendell. Not that it suffers practicality on account of its looks - it is
> dead useful and supremely comfortable. I use mine for club rides,
> errand-running, shopping, and pleasure rides. Smart AND beautiful. That’s
> why it’s my favorite.
> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 2:04:55 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, Wilbury/Glorius-Betty Foy/Yves Gomez-Cheviot-Platypus. We got here
>> from there.
>>
>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Love that Hunqapillar! I've never heard of the Wilburt/Glorius but looks
>>> nice - the raw metal is awesome. Looks like the Platypus may be similar,
>>> albeit with a longer wheelbase?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:42 AM J J  wrote:
>>>
 I'm with Joel in that I prefer shorter-wheelbase, shorter-chain stay
 Rivendell models, though *shorter* is relative. I favor fully lugged
 models, though it makes sense for Rivendell to have more accessible
 offerings (*accessible* is also relative).

 For me it's the Hunqapillar all the way. It excels at everything I do
 with it, whether unloaded and tossing it around on skinny (haha) 42s or
 hauling 75 pounds of stuff rolling on 55s. It doesn't break a sweat and
 always feels incredibly stable and ready for more.

 For my partner it's the Wilbury/Glorius, from the era preceding super
 long wheelbase step-through models. (Her previous bike had a much longer
 wheelbase, which she found cumbersome and clunky after she road the
 Wilbury.) She loved the Wilbury ride and lovely construction so much that
 she got a companion Glorius in raw metal.

 Leah is not the only one to double down on a step-through she loves!! :)

 [image: Hunqapillar 1.jpeg]
 [image: Wilbury 1.jpeg]
 [image: Glorius 1.jpeg]

 On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:58:03 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I have a Sam Hillborne and a SimpleOne, if I did it all over again,
> I'd go for a Hunqapillar, but, I'd totally be happy with a Appaloosa. I
> also own a Trek 620, Tanglefoot Moonshiner, and a Kogswell PR II.
>
> [image: Hillborne.png]
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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, Wilbury/Glorius-Betty Foy/Yves Gomez-Cheviot-Platypus. We got here 
from there. 

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love that Hunqapillar! I've never heard of the Wilburt/Glorius but looks 
> nice - the raw metal is awesome. Looks like the Platypus may be similar, 
> albeit with a longer wheelbase?
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:42 AM J J  wrote:
>
>> I'm with Joel in that I prefer shorter-wheelbase, shorter-chain stay 
>> Rivendell models, though *shorter* is relative. I favor fully lugged 
>> models, though it makes sense for Rivendell to have more accessible 
>> offerings (*accessible* is also relative).
>>
>> For me it's the Hunqapillar all the way. It excels at everything I do 
>> with it, whether unloaded and tossing it around on skinny (haha) 42s or 
>> hauling 75 pounds of stuff rolling on 55s. It doesn't break a sweat and 
>> always feels incredibly stable and ready for more. 
>>
>> For my partner it's the Wilbury/Glorius, from the era preceding super 
>> long wheelbase step-through models. (Her previous bike had a much longer 
>> wheelbase, which she found cumbersome and clunky after she road the 
>> Wilbury.) She loved the Wilbury ride and lovely construction so much that 
>> she got a companion Glorius in raw metal. 
>>
>> Leah is not the only one to double down on a step-through she loves!! :)
>>
>> [image: Hunqapillar 1.jpeg]
>> [image: Wilbury 1.jpeg]
>> [image: Glorius 1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 11:58:03 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and a SimpleOne, if I did it all over again, I'd 
>>> go for a Hunqapillar, but, I'd totally be happy with a Appaloosa. I also 
>>> own a Trek 620, Tanglefoot Moonshiner, and a Kogswell PR II.
>>>
>>> [image: Hillborne.png]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[MoVelo]

My Rambo is currently running Panaracer Pari-Motos 650bx42's actual width 
on Velocity A23's. I love these tires on this bike and it has become my 
gravel/all-rounder. I have the Tektro 559's set so I can easily switch over 
to 700c and usually run 35mm in that size. Although it will take 38 the 
fender clearance gets a little sketchy.

On the Legolas I am currently running RH 700cx38's although I have found 
35's feel a bit firmer with better handling. I do like the cush of the 
fatter rubber.

My two Bridgestone MB's are running RH Rat Trap Pass 26x2" which I love on 
the loose gravel we have around here. They are a bit narrow erthan the 
stated width but still super comfy and confidence inspiring.

The Bridgestone T700 is currently running Panaracer Gravel Kings in 700cx38 
and will fit fenders. 

My Paramount is currently running 700cx35's but I am still trying to decide 
if 32's are a better fit for that bike.

I have a Kona Kapu with 650bx42 RH Baby Shoe Pass' which barely measure out 
to 40mm on Grand Bois rims.

I mainly go for comfort over speed these days. So the wider the better.

James Poulson
Centralish NE

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm a light rider and have run Rene Herse tires in 26, 28, 32, 35, 38 and 
> 48mm widths over the same terrain which is mostly paved roads. Starting at 
> either end of the spectrum, the 26's felt like ice-skating in the best 
> scenario but would flat if I even looked at a gravel road. I wasn't willing 
> to pump them up past 80psi to avoid flats so those got the boot pretty 
> fast. The 48's on the other hand were what I'd call idiot-proof. I would 
> aim for the potholes on pavement and they were disconcertingly confident 
> (and fast!) off-road. 
>
> 32's and 35's were probably the goldilocks widths for paved rides longer 
> than 70 miles while carrying stuff. If I weighed more, carried more, or the 
> bike was over-built, 38's would be right there too. These days, my rides 
> rarely go past 60 miles so a couple candy bars and 28mm tires on a road 
> bike is all I need.  
>
> If I were more of a masochist with my riding and knew sleep deprivation 
> and all-road conditions were on the horizon, I'd go with the widest tire I 
> could fit. But if I want to feel quick and nimble, 28-32s do the best for 
> me.  
>
> - Andrew
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:29:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I have to say that the 559 labeled-32 but measure-27 (skinny rims) RH Elk 
>> Pass tires are the nicest 26" road tires I've used and, in fact, the nicest 
>> road tires of any size I've used, gauging by "feel" of speed* and feel of 
>> smoothness.
>>
>> * I personally have never associated buzz or harshness with speed; in 
>> fact, just the opposite: I associate smoothness with speed. Besides 
>> smoothness, the EPs just seem easier to pedal at given cadences in given 
>> conditions at given gears.
>>
>> I wish they plumped out at 5 mm wider, but I don't want to change my rims.
>>
>> At 55/60 they feel as smooth over high freq/low amp bumps as the 559X42 
>> mm (41 mm actual) Naches Pass extra lights at 35/40, and they seem easier 
>> to pedal as defined above, though not by a great deal.
>>
>> One benefit to the narrower tires is that they do make the bike's 
>> handling feel more nimble -- "crisper." OTOH, the 622X61 mm actual Big One 
>> ELs at 18 to 21 psi on the earlier Matthews feel as easy to pedal ("as 
>> fast" -- similar gearing, conditions, cadences) as the Elk Passes; but very 
>> different bikes and 175 mm vs 170 mm cranks. And these fatties don't feel 
>> all that smoother over small pavement bumps than the EPs or the NPs. It 
>> seems that if you put sufficiently minimum air pressure into very supple, 
>> light tires of any width, the feel over small bumps remains about the same. 
>> I do like bashing over the 5" wide expansion cracks in our streets with the 
>> BOs or the NPs, though; I have to be more careful with the EPs.
>>
>> Btw, all 3 frames relatively light tubing. In fact, the 1999 gofast that 
>> has the EPs has the stoutest tubing of the bunch, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:38 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even 
>>> a liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe 
>>> Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I 
>>> don't notice them, and that's the point. This is with my Franklin road 
>>> bike. While it can take a 38, it's actually worse with a wider tire. It's a 
>>> matter of feel, of detail, of precision and handling. A .3mm mechanical 
>>> pencil feels and writes a whole lot different than a .9mm. A bolder font 
>>> doesn't make these letters any easier or better to read than they are 
>>> presently.
>>>
>>> In contrast, I ride my Bombadil on the road and no matter the tire, be 
>>> it 38mm or 50mm, it feels overkill to me. I think it has more to do 

Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[R Shannon]

Thanks Eric. Inspiring stories to be sure. As frequently as Jobst and his
riding buddies had to shoulder their bikes across streams and rough terrain
they had to keep their rides light. No water bottles for Jobst!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 3:14 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I wish I'd titled this thread "Jobst Brandt rides and pictures." It's a
> better reflection of what we're sharing here.
>
> Thanks to Rich I've been reading Ray Hosler's book of weekly ride reports
> from Sunday excursions with Jobst Brandt around the Bay Area in the 1980s.
>
> On Ray's blog I found this account from his trip to the Alps with Brandt
> in 1986. I haven't even read it yet but I know already that it's going to
> be good. Halfway through his book I know his descriptions of bike rides
> make for fun reading. Lots of photos, too.
>
> https://rayhosler.wordpress.com/tour-of-the-alps-1986/
>
> [image: fontanatwo.jpg]
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 1:13:45 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> @Bob: Rough Stuff Goes West!
>>
>> @Rich: Seems like Brandt was into traveling light even when touring. I
>> like in the alpine reports where he talks about shipping his suitcase from
>> one train station to the next. I just read a Tom Ritchey remembrance where
>> he notes Brandt didn't even have bottle bosses on his frames. Seems he was
>> partial to drinking from springs, stopping at stores and downing big
>> milkshakes.
>>
>> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> You're welcome. Under biking to be sure but ride what you've got! For
>>> me, the pictures of the rides he did in the Alps as well as the Sierras
>>> carrying only a Carradice bag
>>> are the essence of light touring; all the better for those big climbs.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks again, Rich, for recommending Ray Hosler's book. I've been
 enjoying reading the ride reports, sounds beautiful, fun, exhausting. Hard
 to imagine these guys were running such narrow tires in rough country.

 I only wish that stats on mileage and elevation were included :)

 [image: poster2.jpg]
 On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:58:02 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> I'm glad everyone who has said so is digging the pictures and reports.
> The guy definitely tackled some beautiful and stunning rides, not to
> mention mileage. I tallied one of his tours and it was something like 
> 1,800
> miles and over 100,000 feet of climbing. I think he was in his 70s at the
> time!
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:35:57 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Wow Eric! Those photos are fantastic. I tried to read Jobst' reports,
>> but came up short.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip, Rich, that sounds really cool.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:05:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Thank you for the photo archive. For more stories and pics --
 specifically about the Bay Area rides Jobst and his pals did check out
 Ray Hosler's recent book "Once Upon a Ride".

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:54:29 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> Wow Eric, what a resource.
> Thank you so much.
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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Welcome Alexander!

Favorite?  Easy!  65cm Clem Smith, Jr. H-Style - but this is more by 
default as my one and only Rivendell!

But I was once in similar shoes and guess I had gone about 5+ years after 
first discovering Rivendell until finally buying my first and only 
Rivendell in 2016 when they eventually released the XXL Clem in the 65cm 
size.  The first model of theirs that really piqued my interest, however, 
was the SimpleOne but I held off on buying for various reasons at the 
time.  First, I could not yet fathom ever owning or needing more than one 
bike nor ever spending as much on a new bike as I'd eventually spend on the 
Clem.  I was also still trying to make an old and too small frame fit while 
updating worn out parts here and there while increasing ride 
frequency/duration/mileage on weekends.  There's a ton of irony around the 
fact that I likely spent much more on parts swaps and fit experiments on 
various bikes over the years than I'd have spent on a new 62cm SimpleOne 
had I just taken the plunge back in 2010 or 11 or 12 or whenever it was 
when I was most tempted but all those experiences and personal lessons on 
parts swapping and DIY mechanics and articles I'd end up reading would far 
exceed in value the $$$ I spent here or there and made me even more 
informed when I did eventually make the somewhat unexpected and 
opportunistic pre-order once I discovered they were adding a 65cm size to 
the incoming Clem batch.

I now own 4 complete, ready-to-ride bikes but just the one Rivendell.  The 
remaining 3 are each built as different single speeds and all mostly 
obtained opportunistically based on their size and built somewhat with 
inspiration from various SimpleOne/Quickbeam/Countrybike builds.  They were 
not all initially intended to be single speeds but this is how they evolved 
based on a combination of circumstance and my more recent riding 
trends/local terrain.  I now have 3 different build concepts I could easily 
transfer over to a Roaduno (the forthcoming single speed) if I could manage 
to position myself to obtain one whenever they become available.

There are many details I've admired on several other Riv models and I've 
leaned this way and that regarding their leaner road or country vs. burlier 
and more rugged models compared to my actual vs. theoretical usage but one 
thing I've absolutely come to appreciate with my Clem is the rare 
opportunity at my height to be on the small or low side of the fit or PBH 
range for a given size (my 97-ish PBH on the 65cm H which had something 
like a 95-100+ pbh range, iirc.)  The Clem development also hit the nail on 
the head for me with it's more affordable nature (vs. fully lugged models) 
and it's basis/inspiration/early description of sorts as something like an 
answer for those looking to otherwise spruce up or Riv-ify their old, 
vintage MTB's... which is exactly what I was essentially doing at the time 
I first discovered Riv, albeit with a too small 26" wheeled MTB (which I've 
happily just begun to rebuild for the umpteenth time but this time as a 
hand me down dad bike for an in-law and nephew and with the help of my 5 
year old!)

Best of luck and happy riding, wherever this path leads!

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>
> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>
> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Paul Choi]

Bravo! Great shot of your bike with the city in the background :)

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 8:26:47 AM UTC-7 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> 59 Atlantis for life!
> It's truly magical. I'm lucky to own a Cheviot, Betty Foy, 64 Toyo 
> Atlantis. I sold my Hunqapillar last year and test rode every model 
> produced from 2010. 
> But that 59 Atlantis 
>
> Oli in SF
>
> [image: Image 7-1-20 at 6.47 PM.jpg][image: 49551373227_ab22993674_k.jpg]
>
> On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I've ridden several, but the Saluki is my favorite.
>>
>> Models that I have tried: Toyo Atlantis, Waterford Atlantis, Taiwan 
>> Atlantis, Waterford Road Standard, Taiwan AHH, Quickbeam, & custom 
>> singlespeed. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Matt Beecher]

I've ridden several, but the Saluki is my favorite.

Models that I have tried: Toyo Atlantis, Waterford Atlantis, Taiwan 
Atlantis, Waterford Road Standard, Taiwan AHH, Quickbeam, & custom 
singlespeed. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[amillhench]

Rivendell has changed so much over the years. When I started admiring their 
bikes they were strong advocates for lugs, brooks, comfort and practicality. 

Any Rivendell I owned would need lugs. I don’t think their tig frames are 
competitively priced compared to their competitors, and they lose the Rivendell 
character. I’ve had long and short chain stayed Rivs and have come to the 
conclusion that I don’t notice any difference. Of course, lugs don’t change the 
ride either, but I sure do admire them every time I see my bike. It’s very cool 
that Riv has been around long enough to have “classic” models. 

I would have to go with a Quickbeam. I miss my Coleman green first gen with 
albatross bars. It just had piles of character and quirk.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I still prefer the shorter chains models, a Hillborne would fit the bill 
nicely.  

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>
> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>
> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith L 59cm (Utah)

[River Bailey]

No I am inquiring for a neighbor

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 8:51:26 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> River, are you considering sizing up to the 59? I was thinking you had a 
> 52 L.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:05:22 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>
>> Ok thank you. I just sent another "Reply to Author" Maybe my first one 
>> didn't go through.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:28:49 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve received emails from a couple of people but it is still available. 
>>> I’ve replied to all inquiries so if you’ve emailed, please email again. 
>>> I’ve checked my inbox and the spam box and no unresponded emails remain. 
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-6 River Bailey wrote:
>>>
 Anyone hear back about this post?

 On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I sent a PM also about 30 minutes ago. No response yet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Jan O.  wrote:
>
> PM sent. Thanks.
>
>
> Jan
> San Francisco
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:17:48 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. in 59cm size. Rides great. 
>> No crashes, dings, dents, or scratches. Almost new condition. I 
>> purchased it earlier this year and it has 105 miles on it.  Bought from 
>> a 
>> guy who bought it new from Riv a month prior but never rode it. 
>> It’s a great bike but I have another upcoming project that I need the 
>> garage space for. 
>>
>> It is a stock build except:
>> Nitto Bosco Bullmoose bars
>> Paul Love levers
>> Paul Canti brakes (Neo retro and touring) 
>> Microshift shifter
>> Ergon cork grips 
>> Schwalbe 29x2.2 tires
>>
>> Note, no saddle, bag, pedals or cages included.
>>
>> I have over $2,600 into the bike. Asking $2,000 (net) plus shipping. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] One Rivendell to rule them all

[Richard Rose]

Beautiful! What are those water bottle cages?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 2:05 AM, Emily Guise  wrote:
> 
> 
> My Platypus for sure. For the mostly in-town riding I've been doing for the 
> last year, it's been a dream. Such a smooth ride! So gorgeous! She garners 
> fans wherever she goes.
> 
> I actually felt very guilty about spending so much money on a bike (even 
> though some of it was Uncle Sam's stimulus $$), but the Platy really is a 
> functional work of art, so I got over the guilt eventually. If you ever have 
> a chance to get a Riv, Alexander, I don't think you'd regret it. I hope it 
> happens for you!
> 
> -Emily
> 
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:20:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Welcome Alexander! 
>> 
>> My answer is a cheat because I'd pick my custom but it kinda translates to a 
>> production model which would also be my pick, Platypus. Lugged frame, low 
>> stepover, beautiful paint (I love the Mermaid ones, and Leah Bicycle Belle 
>> Ding Ding's Raspberry), semi-light tubing for a lively road ride, maybe not 
>> the first choice for heavy loads or hardcore trails. 
>> 
>> But that's my 'light for pavement' bias; models like Atlantis, Appaloosa, 
>> Hunqapillar, Bombadil and Clem H/L are better choices for heavier duty 
>> stuff. 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 5:44:50 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> If memory serves, I think Rivendell themselves asked this same question on 
>>> their Instagram page. There were quite a few responses. 
>>> As for me, got to be my Clem L. 
>>> The long wheelbase with room for big tires are available on several models, 
>>> but only one is a step through. Game changer. Well actually the Platy is a 
>>> step through also but I’ve not had the pleasure.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:29 PM, Alexander Chalmers  
> wrote:
> 
 Hi all,
>>> 
 
 
 I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
 I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
 point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
 wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
 discontinued, if you could only have one?
 
 Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
 
 Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
 a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed 
 with the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. 
 Mostly just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Clem H curious

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

My own recollection is now somewhat fuzzy regarding all the different Clem 
batches but I can at least confirm Mustard Clem H's were available going 
back to 2016 as this was the first (only?) batch where the 65cm H was 
offered and I bought a 65cm complete on pre-order.  I recall later 
receiving an email from Dave sometime before they arrived asking whether 
I'd prefer green or mustard as they had added the second color choice.  
After previously being tempted by the 62cm mustard Appaloosa's I opted for 
the mustard Clem.

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:28:03 PM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> I *believe* they were both 2019 (both were bought that year, but it is 
> possible that the H was an older model... it was the mustard color, not 
> sure which year that was). 
>
> But I'm also basing my reasoning on bikeinsights geo charts, which show 
> differences for the same model year.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 20:01 Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, but I 
>> always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model years. 
>>
>> Eric 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson  wrote:
>>
> Hi!
>>>
>>> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right 
>>> away there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer 
>>> front center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length means 
>>> bars fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This is 
>>> not insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful: 
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16
>>> ,
>>>
>>> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so I 
>>> sold the H and bought an L.
>>>
>>> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a bit 
>>> stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're looking 
>>> for.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the 
 idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling 
 my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over 
 but 
 sometimes it could be a benefit.

 On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing 
> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course 
> any 
> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have 
> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as 
> the 
> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about 
> this 
> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that 
> H, 
> it's a good frame! 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a 
>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high 
>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>>
>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use 
>> as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. 
>> I 
>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping 
>> for 
>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H 
>> just 
>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go 
>> than 
>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith L 59cm (Utah)

[Doug H.]

River, are you considering sizing up to the 59? I was thinking you had a 52 
L.
Doug

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:05:22 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:

> Ok thank you. I just sent another "Reply to Author" Maybe my first one 
> didn't go through.
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:28:49 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’ve received emails from a couple of people but it is still available. 
>> I’ve replied to all inquiries so if you’ve emailed, please email again. 
>> I’ve checked my inbox and the spam box and no unresponded emails remain. 
>> Thanks 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-6 River Bailey wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone hear back about this post?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 2:17:56 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I sent a PM also about 30 minutes ago. No response yet.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Jan O.  wrote:

 PM sent. Thanks.


 Jan
 San Francisco


 On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:17:48 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Clem Smith Jr. in 59cm size. Rides great. 
> No crashes, dings, dents, or scratches. Almost new condition. I 
> purchased it earlier this year and it has 105 miles on it.  Bought from a 
> guy who bought it new from Riv a month prior but never rode it. 
> It’s a great bike but I have another upcoming project that I need the 
> garage space for. 
>
> It is a stock build except:
> Nitto Bosco Bullmoose bars
> Paul Love levers
> Paul Canti brakes (Neo retro and touring) 
> Microshift shifter
> Ergon cork grips 
> Schwalbe 29x2.2 tires
>
> Note, no saddle, bag, pedals or cages included.
>
> I have over $2,600 into the bike. Asking $2,000 (net) plus shipping. 
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Handsome laptop-sized pannier

[Roberta]

Po campo has this pretty laptop pannier that looks like a regular tote 
bag. 
https://www.pocampo.com/collections/trunk-pannier-bags/products/bergen-laptop-pannier
 
 .  I have this on one bike and an ortlieb on another. This one isn’t as 
voluminous as the ortlieb but holds plenty . 
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:30:21 PM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Been on the hunt for this for a while but as I’m commuting to the office a 
> few days a week I figured I’d ask around. Does anyone make a 
> briefcase-style pannier?
>
> Currently using a classic Ortlieb pannier but looking for something a 
> little less sporting and unwieldy (often I will go out after work and I 
> hate shlepping this bag around).
>
> Doesn’t have to be anything fancy, leather would be nice but not a 
> dealbreaker. Most important factor is the mounting hardware, I need 
> something stable. 
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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[ascpgh]

Welcome Alexander, Rivendell is like a garage party with a band that's a 
more humbling experience with talent, better than a huge show at a big 
forum. 

Back in my shop days Bridgestone was our bread and butter. Grant earned the 
ability to design the US market product and they were so much better riding 
bikes that even an average rider would return smiling after a fifteen 
minute test ride. Not the highest volume bikes, Grant even told us they 
would be the hardest to sell since folks want to believe what they already 
do, even if presented with examples otherwise.

I called Grant several years into Rivendell after Bridgestone when I needed 
a bike more specific for longer rides, farther from home than my RB-1 
(which didn't really fit me-my legs are too long for my height). From the 
Rivendell Reader and catalog I was thinking I needed a custom but he told 
me about the Rambouillet. It was the next "stock" model, stablemate of the 
already in production Atlantis and checked the boxes of my list, adding 
some I hadn't considered. 

I rode my Rambouillet across the country and on every ride I took since 
including some things less than fire trails, having long been an underbiker 
and gone miles on forest service "roads" on bikes not apparent to that use. 
We were riding gravel before its current adherents were born and I used my 
XO-2 and RB-1. Rivendell marketed the model name as the useful, dependable 
sheep that provided much utility to those keeping flocks of them. 

My Rambouillet shines in it's smoothness of ride and predictable handling. 
Much of that is because of how well it fits me, something random other 
riders have noted to me on rides. A the Five Boros ride in NYC my wife 
tired of how frequently folks approached and remarked on my Rambouillet and 
was who pointed out how sour those around us on what she called modern 
bikes looked. The bike continues to be a bike people comment on regardless 
of how expensive proximate modern bikes are.

It's a bike that can be used in many ways that rewards my uses. Sort of 
where the brand and Grant position themselves.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgg
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>
> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>
> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Ryan M.]

I have owned the following Rivs:

Canti Sam Hillborne
Toyo built Atlantis
Roadeo
Appaloosa
Frank Jones Sr. 

I always wanted a Hunqapillar but never got around to getting one. lol

Right now I own the Appaloosa and Frank Jones Sr. but only really ride the 
Frank, but that is because my current recreational life is very limited and 
when I do go for a bike ride I just ride the greenway, which is better 
suited to a single speed.  The Appaloosa is the most versatile Riv I have 
owned probably, with the Atlantis coming in second. It's probably the bike 
that makes the most logical sense to keep if I could only choose one...but 
honestly, I would probably keep the Frank over the Appaloosa with my life 
today.


On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>
> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>
> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Handsome laptop-sized pannier

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I tried a number of different options commuting with a laptop years back. 
My favorite by far was the now discontinued Ariel briefcase. There is one 
on eBay but it is well worn. That would be my recommendation if you can 
find one. Attachment is typical Arkel, so rock solid. I think the rain 
cover hides underneath. Once you use the flap to cover the hardware on the 
back it is indistinguishable from a regular laptop bag. I carried it into 
numerous meetings and no one recognized it as a bike bag unless I showed 
them the hardware.  Plenty of pockets to keep things organized and it has 
straps to cinch it down for the ride.
Kurt Henry
Lancaster PA


On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:30:21 PM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Been on the hunt for this for a while but as I’m commuting to the office a 
> few days a week I figured I’d ask around. Does anyone make a 
> briefcase-style pannier?
>
> Currently using a classic Ortlieb pannier but looking for something a 
> little less sporting and unwieldy (often I will go out after work and I 
> hate shlepping this bag around).
>
> Doesn’t have to be anything fancy, leather would be nice but not a 
> dealbreaker. Most important factor is the mounting hardware, I need 
> something stable. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 9 topics

[Harry Travis]

Go to ebay and find current or recently offered cordura canvas briefcase from 
Arkel. Bulletproof lifetime guaranteed zipper and attachment Clip to bike rack.
Likely comes with stiffener and a sleeve for laptop, etc. 
 $50 + shipping? 

Or, Arkel likely offers one to meet current fashion sensibility.

Daily User of Arkel for 15 years. They are readily disassembled so they can be 
laundered of all dirt. 

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Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width) - 6 Updates
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FS: Clem Smith L 59cm (Utah) - 2 Updates
FS: Sackville Items - 1 Update
Clem H curious - 1 Update
FS: Rivendell Atlantis - 56cm, 650b (2017 Model) - 1 Update
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One Rivendell to rule them all
Alexander Chalmers : Aug 11 08:44AM -0700 

Hi all,
 
I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
discontinued, if you could only have one?
 
Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
 
Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted a 
Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
Richard Rose : Aug 11 08:44PM -0400 

If memory serves, I think Rivendell themselves asked this same question on 
their Instagram page. There were quite a few responses. 
As for me, got to be my Clem L. 
The long wheelbase with room for big tires are available on several models, but 
only one is a step through. Game changer. Well actually the Platy is a step 
through also but I’ve not had the pleasure.
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
Joe Bernard : Aug 11 10:20PM -0700 

Welcome Alexander! 
 
My answer is a cheat because I'd pick my custom but it kinda translates to 
a production model which would also be my pick, Platypus. Lugged frame, low 
stepover, beautiful paint (I love the Mermaid ones, and Leah Bicycle Belle 
Ding Ding's Raspberry), semi-light tubing for a lively road ride, maybe not 
the first choice for heavy loads or hardcore trails. 
 
But that's my 'light for pavement' bias; models like Atlantis, Appaloosa, 
Hunqapillar, Bombadil and Clem H/L are better choices for heavier duty 
stuff. 
 
Joe Bernard 
 
Emily Guise : Aug 11 11:05PM -0700 

My Platypus for sure. For the mostly in-town riding I've been doing for the 
last year, it's been a dream. Such a smooth ride! So gorgeous! She garners 
fans wherever she goes.
 
I actually felt very guilty about spending so much money on a bike (even 
though some of it was Uncle Sam's stimulus $$), but the Platy really is a 
functional work of art, so I got over the guilt eventually. If you ever 
have a chance to get a Riv, Alexander, I don't think you'd regret it. I 
hope it happens for you!
 
-Emily
 
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:20:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
 
Joe Bernard : Aug 11 11:26PM -0700 

So pretty, Emily! I haven't seen a LimeOlive Platy in a while and kinda 
forgot how striking they are. Love the grips, too! 
 
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 11:05:13 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
 
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Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA Delivery
jim <4421...@gmail.com>: Aug 11 03:20PM -0700 

Beautiful bike!
I used to have one and regret selling it. Of course with my arthritis I 
probably couldn't ride it 
 
On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 9:07:56 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
 
Dan Sullivan : Aug 10 07:38PM -0700 

these are a great color. I've got one that shares time with my BMC 
monstercross. Really a nice, light, fast bike and it seems like everyone 
who sees it comments on the color. I run 38 Gravel Kings that are wonderful 
tires.
 
Dan in the driftless hills of SW Wisconsin
 
On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 9:07:56 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
 
Mike Godwin : Aug 11 10:11PM -0700 

Is said bike still traveling with you Jim? I converted 88 cm to inches. 
Having a 90.5 PBH, that leaves to little clearance for the uh, gentlemen, 
and leaves me out of the running. Dang cool bike! Great talking with you on 
Saturday and wish you good journeys on the remainder of your holiday.
 
Mike SLO CA 
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:15:48 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
 
James Warren : Aug 11 11:01PM -0700 

Yeah Mike,
 
Still on the road with me till around the 17th.
Great talking to you too!
 
 
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Ben Adrian : Aug 11 10:34AM -0700 

I just put the 700 x 35 

Re: [RBW] One Rivendell to rule them all

[Joe Bernard]

So pretty, Emily! I haven't seen a LimeOlive Platy in a while and kinda 
forgot how striking they are. Love the grips, too! 

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 11:05:13 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:

> My Platypus for sure. For the mostly in-town riding I've been doing for 
> the last year, it's been a dream. Such a smooth ride! So gorgeous! She 
> garners fans wherever she goes.
>
> I actually felt very guilty about spending so much money on a bike (even 
> though some of it was Uncle Sam's stimulus $$), but the Platy really is a 
> functional work of art, so I got over the guilt eventually. If you ever 
> have a chance to get a Riv, Alexander, I don't think you'd regret it. I 
> hope it happens for you!
>
> -Emily
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:20:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Welcome Alexander! 
>>
>> My answer is a cheat because I'd pick my custom but it kinda translates 
>> to a production model which would also be my pick, Platypus. Lugged frame, 
>> low stepover, beautiful paint (I love the Mermaid ones, and Leah Bicycle 
>> Belle Ding Ding's Raspberry), semi-light tubing for a lively road ride, 
>> maybe not the first choice for heavy loads or hardcore trails. 
>>
>> But that's my 'light for pavement' bias; models like Atlantis, Appaloosa, 
>> Hunqapillar, Bombadil and Clem H/L are better choices for heavier duty 
>> stuff. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 5:44:50 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If memory serves, I think Rivendell themselves asked this same question 
>>> on their Instagram page. There were quite a few responses. 
>>> As for me, got to be my Clem L. 
>>> The long wheelbase with room for big tires are available on several 
>>> models, but only one is a step through. Game changer. Well actually the 
>>> Platy is a step through also but I’ve not had the pleasure.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:29 PM, Alexander Chalmers  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the 
>>> closest I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently 
>>> reached a point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it 
>>> got me wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
>>> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>>>
>>> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>>>
>>> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've 
>>> wanted a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit 
>>> obsessed with the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its 
>>> own way. Mostly just curious what you all find yourself riding the most 
>>> though!
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Re: [RBW] Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA Delivery

[James Warren]

Yeah Mike,

Still on the road with me till around the 17th.
Great talking to you too!


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 10:12 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
> 
> Is said bike still traveling with you Jim?  I converted 88 cm to inches. 
> Having a 90.5 PBH, that leaves to little clearance for the uh, gentlemen, and 
> leaves me out of the running. Dang cool bike! Great talking with you on 
> Saturday and wish you good journeys on the remainder of your holiday.
> 
> Mike SLO CA 
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:15:48 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>> 
>> Bump: price listed includes delivery from me to California buyer in August, 
>> with no unboxing. I’d just hand over the bike. Or make offer.
>> 
>> I have additional photos sendable to anyone interested.
>> 
>> - Jimmy Warren
>> 
>> 
 On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:51 AM, James Warren  wrote:
 
>>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>>> 
>>> Standover is just under 88 cm with the Panaracer 700x37s on the bike.
>>> 
>>> - Jimmy
>>> 
 On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
 
 Hi Jim
 What is the standover height on this beautiful bike?  
 Mike SLO CA
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
> 
> Hi RBW Forum Friends, 
> 
> Photos show a bike that’s been in my large hoard that has always gotten 
> way too few miles. (I have a Ram and a Hunq and a Hillborne and an 
> Atlantis and about 12 other bikes, so the Rom has often sat in my 
> collection as “cool to own,” but it’s a great, versatile road bike that 
> needs to get out there. I’ve taken great care of it since 2006 (when I 
> got it via trade for a Heron touring on this forum), and the frame has 
> very few scratches and is in outstanding condition. 
> 
> I have a 93 cm PBH, so this frame is about 1 cm too small for me. The 
> long and high Nitto stem in the photos shows how I addressed it and made 
> the frame size work for me.. I have many other stems if the buyer wants a 
> different dimension stem swapped in (but that would mess up the cork bar 
> tape.) The saddle height in the photos is probably a bit lower than my 
> usual 81 cm. 
> 
> Asking $1500 which includes delivery to the buyer in California. Avoiding 
> shipping is my desire, and I enjoy CA road trips in the month of August. 
> Before August 11 or 12 would be ideal. PayPal or Venmo 
> 
> Components: 
> Dia Compe canti brakes 
> Tiagra drop bar brake levers 
> Nitto stem 
> Nitto Noodle handlebar - 44 cm 
> Riv Silver bar-end shifters 
> Shimano Ultegra headset 
> Suntour XC-Pro crank triple: 46-36-24 
> 12-34 SRAM 9-speed cassette 
> Dura Ace front derailleur 
> Deore rear derailleur 
> MKS sneaker pedals 
> Thomson seatpost 
> Seller San Marcos saddle 
> Panaracer Pasela 700x37 tires 
> Rear wheel is Lesnik-built: Alex DM18 with LX hub, 36 spokes 
> Front wheel is not a Lesnik: Sun CR-18 rim and a hub labeled “Shimano”, 
> 36 spokes 
> 
> If interested, email me at: 
> jimmac...@gmail.com 
> 
> Thank you, 
> Jim Warren, long-time Forum member 
> 
> Photos, and I have more: 
 
 
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