Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Michael Williams]

If we’re talking tires,  take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro.   It comes in 
29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and a more 
puncture resistant casing,  both tubeless ready.I have the 29x2.2 version 
and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement and very very grippy 
tire on gravel and single track.  I have them in the standard casing and they 
feel really solid and don’t squirm with running lower pressure.   

A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for a 
29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the more 
puncture resistant casing.   Again,  I only have the 29x2.2 tires so can’t 
speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the 
characteristics carry over,  it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tire

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
> I appreciate it. ❤️
> 
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Luke,
>> 
>> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The 
>> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for 
>> sharing it with us!
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>> I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my 
>>> Riv is my do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and 
>>> everything in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough 
>>> wearing and durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities 
>>> (although some Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).
>>> 
>>> Thanks again, Paul.
>>> 
>>> —Luke
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
 The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come 
 in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 
 
 They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they 
 are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real 
 mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good 
 touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, 
 but not especially supple or fast.
 
 Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and to 
 a degree, change how boggy they feel.
 
 I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
 casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
 for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
 skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.
 
 I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of 
 their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
 enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
 have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.
 
 If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I 
 hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a 
 more aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.
 
 So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I 
 think these are about as good as it gets.
 
 Paul
 
 On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m 
> tempted by them. 
> 
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love 
>> the way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get 
>> fatigued quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's 
>> all good things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but 
>> I'm tasked with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect 
>> to walk, which is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up 
>> a Stooge mk6 when they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put 
>> myself back in the realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>> 
>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
>>> last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long 
>>> stem and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it 
>>> makes the bike feel / handle are pretty much my 

[RBW] Re: Imitation Sinew for alternative wrapping string option

[Mackenzy Albright]

it's made of polyester, nylon, and or polypropylene? I'm hoping that it 
won't deteriorate too quick. I think the main advantage is the strand is 
flat so it binds well when wrapped and is meltable for tying off. It does 
smell nice, but not fresh beeswax nice. Waxing your own twine is smart! 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 6:45:20 PM UTC-7 J wrote:

> Looks pretty good! I wonder it's made of? It looks very similar to the 
> hemp twine I use after I've ran it through beeswax before tying with it. 
> Does it smell as good though?
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> [image: PXL_20221024_200728518.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:05:25 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> Two summers ago I was helping my partner with an art install. We needed 
>>> a strong string to hang a bunch of heavy drawings and we found imitation 
>>> sinew at the local leather shop. 
>>>
>>> https://www.halfordsmailorder.com/sinew-strong 
>>>
>>> it can be found other places as well. Leather shops. amazon etc. 
>>>
>>> It comes in various colors and wraps very nicely. It is not a "natural 
>>> fiber" but because it is waxed it is very strong and the knots / tucks 
>>> secure very very well. I used it initially to cover a nice "carry bar wrap" 
>>> on the top tube (ala jason fullers proto velo inpiration) which has some 
>>> chippout and a bad attempt at painting / finger nail polish sealing. I 
>>> liked how it wrapped so well I used it to secure my wiring on my newly 
>>> installed dynamo tail light (inspired by bicycle belle) I still used zip 
>>> ties in higher risk zones for added security, but it has a really nice 
>>> look. 
>>>
>>> Id definitely suggest as a nice looking option for anyone looking for a 
>>> sturdy string easy to work with string. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20221023_185442280.MP.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Luke Hendrickson]

I appreciate it. ❤️

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke,
>
> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The 
> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for 
> sharing it with us!
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my 
>> Riv  is my 
>> do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything 
>> in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and 
>> durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some 
>> Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).
>>
>> Thanks again, Paul.
>>
>> —Luke
>>
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only 
>>> come in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 
>>>
>>> They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they 
>>> are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real 
>>> mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good 
>>> touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, 
>>> but not especially supple or fast.
>>>
>>> Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and 
>>> to a degree, change how boggy they feel.
>>>
>>> I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
>>> casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
>>> for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
>>> skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.
>>>
>>> I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because 
>>> of their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
>>> enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
>>> have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.
>>>
>>> If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. 
>>> I hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a 
>>> more aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.
>>>
>>> So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I 
>>> think these are about as good as it gets.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m 
 tempted by them. 

 On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from 
> another Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 
> 26" 
> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love 
> the 
> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, 
> which 
> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 
> when 
> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>
> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
>> last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long 
>> stem 
>> and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes 
>> the 
>> bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a 
>> Susie. 
>> I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
>> looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
>> degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel 
>> as 
>> good as the Clem.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
>> Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on 
>> Susie/Gus 
>> than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even 
>> with a 
>> very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Joe Mullins]

Luke,

I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The
build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for
sharing it with us!

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson 
wrote:

> I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my
> Riv  is my do-it-all,
> I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything in between.
> The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and durable.
> Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some
> Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).
>
> Thanks again, Paul.
>
> —Luke
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come
>> in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest.
>>
>> They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they
>> are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real
>> mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good
>> touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable,
>> but not especially supple or fast.
>>
>> Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and
>> to a degree, change how boggy they feel.
>>
>> I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler
>> casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite
>> for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the
>> skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.
>>
>> I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of
>> their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long
>> enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I
>> have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.
>>
>> If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I
>> hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more
>> aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.
>>
>> So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I
>> think these are about as good as it gets.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m
>>> tempted by them.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from
 another Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26"
 version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it
 with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but
 still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the
 way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued
 quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good
 things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked
 with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which
 is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when
 they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the
 realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board.

 On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the
> last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem
> and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes 
> the
> bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie.
> I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am
> looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12
> degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel 
> as
> good as the Clem.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT
> Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus
> than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with 
> a
> very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away.
>
> mike
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the
>> updates about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a
>> Susie and a Clem L?

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[J]

Paul-
Regarding the tires you've mentioned having and considering I have ridden 
most. WTB Ranger 27.5x2.8" came stock on a hard tail a few years ago. They 
were a fantastic mate to the WTB wheels and stayed sealed for I don't know 
how long after the sealant had long dried up riding mostly MTB single track 
and desert track. They were great for pretty much everything on the East 
coast and PNW, but in the desert I decided I need some more sidewall tread 
tooth. I would consider them quite supply for MTB use. I switched to the 
G-Ones for an extended weekend tour with a fair bit of road on route, and 
found them no better rolling than the ranger, fairly grippy on hardpack 
single track and pretty awful on anyhting loose or wet. I switched back to 
the Ranger within a month. I bought a 2nd hand pair of wheels that came 
with 2.6" Vittoria Mezcals that I'd planned to just toss in the parts bin 
due to ugliness but they had a bit more tooth than the Rangers so I threw 
them on the hardtail for some extra grip in the AZ desert and on the first 
ride was blown away at how fast they were on the pavement for the miles 
leading to the trail head. I was faster on the a hardtail riding 27.5x2.6" 
tires than I was on my drop bar all road riding 650bx47mm tires, every time 
I tested the results. The Mezcals actually measure 2.8 on the WTB i40 rims. 
They are the fastest MTB tires I've ever used, and hold sealant great, 
fairly supple. Ugly, but fast. 

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:02:36 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come 
> in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 
>
> They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they 
> are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real 
> mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good 
> touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, 
> but not especially supple or fast.
>
> Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and to 
> a degree, change how boggy they feel.
>
> I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
> casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
> for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
> skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.
>
> I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of 
> their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
> enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
> have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.
>
> If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I 
> hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more 
> aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.
>
> So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I 
> think these are about as good as it gets.
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m 
>> tempted by them. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
 last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
 and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes 
 the 
 bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
 I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
 looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
 degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel 
 as 
 good as the Clem.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Luke Hendrickson]

I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my 
Riv  is my do-it-all, I 
spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything in between. 
The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and durable. 
Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some 
Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).

Thanks again, Paul.

—Luke

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come 
> in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 
>
> They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they 
> are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real 
> mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good 
> touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, 
> but not especially supple or fast.
>
> Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and to 
> a degree, change how boggy they feel.
>
> I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
> casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
> for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
> skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.
>
> I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of 
> their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
> enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
> have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.
>
> If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I 
> hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more 
> aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.
>
> So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I 
> think these are about as good as it gets.
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m 
>> tempted by them. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
 last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
 and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes 
 the 
 bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
 I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
 looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
 degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel 
 as 
 good as the Clem.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:

 

 I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
 Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus 
 than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with 
 a 
 very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 

 mike

 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
> Susie and a Clem L?
> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
> the 
> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a 
> full 
> suspension bike with relatively 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Paul Clifton]

The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come 
in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 

They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they are 
a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real mud, 
I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good touring 
tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, but not 
especially supple or fast.

Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and to 
a degree, change how boggy they feel.

I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.

I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of 
their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.

If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I 
hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more 
aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.

So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I 
think these are about as good as it gets.

Paul

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m 
> tempted by them. 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
>> Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
>> is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
>> they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
>> realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the 
>>> last to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem 
>>> and backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes the 
>>> bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
>>> I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
>>> looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
>>> degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel as 
>>> good as the Clem.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT 
>>> Susie-Gus vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus 
>>> than Clem of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with a 
>>> very short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
 about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
 Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
 Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a 
 Susie and a Clem L?
 My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
 comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on 
 the 
 bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
 suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
 off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
 me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
 like to ride on the full squish bike.
 Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and 
 capable on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some 
 experience riding a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. 
 The notion of a bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem 
 but 
 dedicated to singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
 Appreciate any 

Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Front, Neo-Retro Back?

[Collin A]

Personally, one of the few/only reasons I would change from v to canti 
would be to use short pull drop bar levers that fit my tiny hands 
betterthat and visuals, canti brakes just look nicer to my eye.

But given your circumstances, it doesn't seem worth it to go canti unless 
you specifically want to do it because you want to.

Collin, purposefully on purpose, sometimes, in Sacramento

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 4:09:17 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, based on the brake arrangement, I have a question.
>
> But first, some background: I’m making some changes/upgrades so my bike 
> will be better equipped for day rides, multi-day trips, and light touring.
>
> Here are some of the considerations:
>
>1. Bike is a Joe Appaloosa
>2. Wheels will be Atlas 700c with Panaracer Gravel Kings.
>3. My rides are almost all on asphalt or concrete with a few dirt 
>trails or fire roads.
>4. Bike currently has V-brakes.
>5. I am planning to add a rear rack with panniers, no front rack.
>6. I weigh about 165. 
>7. I’ll be carrying some gear but I won’t be overloading the bike.
>
>
> *Question: Should I switch to cantilevers, or keep the existing V-brakes? *
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Front, Neo-Retro Back?

[Matthew Williams]

Hi everyone, based on the brake arrangement, I have a question.

But first, some background: I’m making some changes/upgrades so my bike 
will be better equipped for day rides, multi-day trips, and light touring.

Here are some of the considerations:

   1. Bike is a Joe Appaloosa
   2. Wheels will be Atlas 700c with Panaracer Gravel Kings.
   3. My rides are almost all on asphalt or concrete with a few dirt trails 
   or fire roads.
   4. Bike currently has V-brakes.
   5. I am planning to add a rear rack with panniers, no front rack.
   6. I weigh about 165. 
   7. I’ll be carrying some gear but I won’t be overloading the bike.


*Question: Should I switch to cantilevers, or keep the existing V-brakes? *

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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Bottom brackets gone (pro tip: if you have an old Phil price it higher than 
I did, the response was bonkers!) 

Mirrors free for shipping cost, should be about $10 per box. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Phil sold, Shimano pending. 
>
> Mirrors $20 each shipped. 
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 
>> each shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>>
>> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
>> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>>
>> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for 
>> the cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>>
>> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: SHIMANO M730 CRANK SET

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SOLD

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:44:19 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> Charlie - I reached out to you about these privately. I am interested if 
> they are still around, in the current set up - but i wouldn't mind if that 
> chainring guard was removed. looks like its sitting on the of the crank?
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 6:54:33 PM UTC-4 Charlie wrote:
>
>> MY MISTAKE THE BIG RING IS 42 TEETH NOT 38 
>>  I COULD CHANGE THE 42 FOR A 48TEETH - 52 TEETH - 53 TEETH 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:04:09 PM UTC-4 Charlie wrote:
>>
>>> [image: CIMG6597.JPG][image: CIMG6599.JPG]
>>>  CHAIN RINGS - 38 -  34  - 24 TEETH  -  110  -  74 BCD  -  170 CRANK ARM 
>>>  CHAIN RINGS +THREADS TAPERS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION
>>> $40 + SHIPPING  $16 USA  -   CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER  (POST OFFICE)
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell Clem L 59cm

[Jan O.]

Looking for a 59 Clem L with earlier geometry: shorter curved top tube, HT 
Angle 71.5, ST Angle 71.5. Grilver (Grey/Silver) color would be ideal. Dark 
Green would be excellent too.

Looking for Frame/Fork preferably. Please PM me if you have one you would 
like to sell.

Thank you.

Jan
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale - Paul, Nitto, Campagnolo, Wheels, Cages, Bags

[S. Greco]

36 hole

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-4 Sky Coulter wrote:

> What’s the spoke count? Thanks…sky
>
> On Oct 29, 2022, at 10:23 AM, S. Greco  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the campy clarification Jingy.
>
> 700c wheelset is also $350 + shipping
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:56:59 AM UTC-4 Jingy wrote:
>
>> That's not Campy C-Record stuff, it's 1st gen Chorus. But it is C-Record 
>> era(late 80's)
>> Jim
>>
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:37:32 AM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>>> Did i miss the price for mi5 hubpacenti wheelset?
>>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:08 AM, S. Greco  wrote:
>>>
>>> I made the photo link public, sorry to all that had to request access. 
>>> I'll be uploading some more photos later, drop me a email if you'd like to 
>>> see something specific. $190 for the Edelux headlight. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 S. Greco wrote:
>>>
 *Prices do not include shipping - send me a zip and I'll get you a 
 quote.*

 *Likely $20-$30 for handlebars & bags, $30 - $50 for wheels, happy to 
 combine for discounts :) **Some pics available here. 
 
  
 More photos available upon request.*

 *Open to offers!*

 *Nitto:*

 - MAP Ahearne 57 Lightly Used $70

 - NITTO Noodle 46 Lightly Used $70

 - NITTO Noodle 48 New $90

 - NITTO M1377 SSB 31.8 54 - Lightly Used $80 - basically the same as 
 the Crust Shaka but 31.8

 - CRUST Shaka bar 26.0 54 - New $110


 *Campagnolo:*

 - Campy C-Record Partial Group Used $300:

 Campagnolo C Record Era Crank 172.5 53/39 Used

 Campagnolo C Record Era Monopaner calipers Excellent Condition

 Campagnolo C Record Short Cage Rear Derailleur Used

 Campagnolo C Record Front Derailleur 28.6 Used


 - Campagnolo Chorus Rear Derailleur short cage carbon NOS - 2 available 
 - $250 each

 - Campagnolo Veloce CT FD 32.0 clamp NOS $40

 - Campagnolo Victory Crankset 170 52/39 Lightly Used $100

 - Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Record Carbon 10 Spd - Lightly Used - $250

 - Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Chorus Carbon 10 Spd- Lightly Used - $200


 *Paul:*

 - Canti-Levers - Black Anodized - old style with the hollow pivot and 
 clip versus the new type with the bearings - 2 sets - Used $100 each.

 - Racer M set - Green Anodized - with green spring adjusters and moon 
 units - Lightly Used $600


 *Wheelsets:*

 - 650b Velocity Dyad laced to Mavic MR601 hubs with matching skewers. 
 130 spaced. SRAM 9 speed cassette. $350

 - 700C Pacenti PL23 laced to White Industries MI5 hubs


 *Bags:*

 - Ruth Works 8” Tan/Green Camo $250

 - Ruth Works 10” Black Camo $220 - slight tear along one inner pocket.


 *Cages:*

 - King Cages $20 Each - 7 available - buy all 7 for $100

 - Nitto R Cages $40 Each - 3 available - buy all 3 for $100

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale - Paul, Nitto, Campagnolo, Wheels, Cages, Bags

[Sky Coulter]

What’s the spoke count? Thanks…skyOn Oct 29, 2022, at 10:23 AM, S. Greco  wrote:Thanks for the campy clarification Jingy.700c wheelset is also $350 + shippingOn Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:56:59 AM UTC-4 Jingy wrote:That's not Campy C-Record stuff, it's 1st gen Chorus. But it is C-Record era(late 80's)JimOn Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:37:32 AM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:Did i miss the price for mi5 hubpacenti wheelset?On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:08 AM, S. Greco  wrote:I made the photo link public, sorry to all that had to request access. I'll be uploading some more photos later, drop me a email if you'd like to see something specific. $190 for the Edelux headlight. On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 S. Greco wrote:Prices do not include shipping - send me a zip and I'll get you a quote.Likely $20-$30 for handlebars & bags, $30 - $50 for wheels, happy to combine for discounts :) Some pics available here. More photos available upon request.Open to offers!Nitto:
- MAP Ahearne 57 Lightly Used $70
- NITTO Noodle 46 Lightly Used $70
- NITTO Noodle 48 New $90
- NITTO M1377 SSB 31.8 54 - Lightly Used $80 - basically the same as the Crust Shaka but 31.8
- CRUST Shaka bar 26.0 54 - New $110

Campagnolo:
- Campy C-Record Partial Group Used $300:
Campagnolo C Record Era Crank 172.5 53/39 Used
Campagnolo C Record Era Monopaner calipers Excellent Condition
Campagnolo C Record Short Cage Rear Derailleur Used
Campagnolo C Record Front Derailleur 28.6 Used

- Campagnolo Chorus Rear Derailleur short cage carbon NOS - 2 available - $250 each
- Campagnolo Veloce CT FD 32.0 clamp NOS $40
- Campagnolo Victory Crankset 170 52/39 Lightly Used $100
- Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Record Carbon 10 Spd - Lightly Used - $250
- Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Chorus Carbon 10 Spd- Lightly Used - $200

Paul:
- Canti-Levers - Black Anodized - old style with the hollow pivot and clip versus the new type with the bearings - 2 sets - Used $100 each.
- Racer M set - Green Anodized - with green spring adjusters and moon units - Lightly Used $600

Wheelsets:
- 650b Velocity Dyad laced to Mavic MR601 hubs with matching skewers. 130 spaced. SRAM 9 speed cassette. $350
- 700C Pacenti PL23 laced to White Industries MI5 hubs

Bags:
- Ruth Works 8” Tan/Green Camo $250
- Ruth Works 10” Black Camo $220 - slight tear along one inner pocket.

Cages:
- King Cages $20 Each - 7 available - buy all 7 for $100
- Nitto R Cages $40 Each - 3 available - buy all 3 for $100



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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[JAS]

Great photo, RivSisters!!  You're going to have so much fun.  More photos, 
please, for those of us wishing we could be there.

Joyce

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:27:05 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Heyyy look at you's! ‍♂️ Have fun!!!
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:23:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> The RivSisters are getting the party started. Ok, actually we went to bed 
>> but here is real, raw footage of three of us tonight. And tomorrow, there 
>> will be more of us. 
>>
>> Left to right: Pamela Murray, Leah Peterson, and Roberta Chase.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 11:31 AM, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing everyone on Saturday! I'll be at the food 
>> court for 12:30 to say hello. Otherwise I'll be taking it all in and 
>> picking up my free gift from Will, when I say, "and I for one welcome our 
>> new insect overlords". LOL!
>>
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:25:50 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be riding to the Expo Sat 
>>> morning, doing a demo at 1:30 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> and riding to the Keystone Party 
>>> .  
>>> Details on PBE website.  Please come see me and ride w/me.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:36:39 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I got this update to the bike expo in my email today.  Lots of 
 information, including a press release:  
 https://madmimi.com/p/dc7ae41?pact=367096-170142516-11332754941-2829bc1df8e3bd915158a7aa4c23f05462633058
   


 From the press release, which you can read in full, embedded in the 
 above link.:

 "The exhibitor count is approaching all-time pre-pandemic highs... an 
 exhibitor list of 160 brands, up 40 percent over last year’s tentative 
 post-pandemic expo. Pre-event ticket sales have been very healthy too.

 "The popular PBE Food Court is back in the exhibition hall with the 
 same range of offerings as pre-pandemic."

 Want to meet at the Food Court around 12:30 for a meet and great?  You 
 know what Leah looks like.  You know what Pam looks like.  I am tall-ish 
 and have short white hair and will probably be near them.  

 Weather Saturday and Sunday:  low 41, high 63.  Sunny.  No rain.

 Contact me off list if you need anything local.

 Roberta




 On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:24:16 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I can't wait to meet ya'll  I'l be flying and boxing my bike 
> (Betty Foy).  I'll be doing a demo of what to carry on your bike and how 
> to 
> carry stuff and hope to give a presentation on ideas to build bike 
> community and culture.  I'll be helping w/a ride Sat mornining to the 
> Expo 
> and another from the Expo to the Keystone Bike Party Sat night.  I think 
> there's a Riv sisters Fri night ride brewing too - I guess guys will be 
> invited but will need to follow us.  I'm always up for a ride and have a 
> dyno so I ride all the time.  I'm not on the group all the time but I 
> check 
> email all the time.  Working on details, routes, etc.  But email me for 
> any 
> questions.  For example, Joe, just box the bike.  Watch the video on Riv. 
>  
> I think it's Emilio packing a bike to ship.  It's easy to pack and only 
> $30 
> like a checked bag.  I put the duffle bag backpack straps on so my hands 
> are free to carry the bike box to check it at the airport.  If I can do 
> it, 
> you can too.  I'm smaller than you.  
>
> Picture from last weeks 367 mile ride across NC on my Betty Foy.  p.s. 
> that's a My Little Pony I found.[image: IMG_5928.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 7:09:59 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe — I went to PBE for the first time last year. Not sure I'll make 
>> it this year. There are lots of vendors displaying all kinds of cycling 
>> related stuff: bike makers of all kinds, bag and luggage makers, tool 
>> makers and anything else you can think of. There are food, beer and 
>> coffee 
>> vendors as well. 
>>
>> Russ's video from PBE a few years ago 
>>  gives a pretty good 
>> idea of the flow of things. 
>>
>> I found it helpful to do a quick surface walk around all the booths 
>> and displays without stopping, then returning to check out booths that 
>> caught my attention. There is no end of stuff to dive into and people to 
>> chat with. 
>>
>> Things I'd check out this year: Rivendell, Paul Component, King Cage, 
>> Silca, Chapman Cycles, Fat Chance, 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale - Paul, Nitto, Campagnolo, Wheels, Cages, Bags

[S. Greco]

Thanks for the campy clarification Jingy.
700c wheelset is also $350 + shipping

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:56:59 AM UTC-4 Jingy wrote:

> That's not Campy C-Record stuff, it's 1st gen Chorus. But it is C-Record 
> era(late 80's)
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:37:32 AM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> Did i miss the price for mi5 hubpacenti wheelset?
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:08 AM, S. Greco  wrote:
>>
>> I made the photo link public, sorry to all that had to request access. 
>> I'll be uploading some more photos later, drop me a email if you'd like to 
>> see something specific. $190 for the Edelux headlight. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 S. Greco wrote:
>>
>>> *Prices do not include shipping - send me a zip and I'll get you a 
>>> quote.*
>>>
>>> *Likely $20-$30 for handlebars & bags, $30 - $50 for wheels, happy to 
>>> combine for discounts :) **Some pics available here. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> More photos available upon request.*
>>>
>>> *Open to offers!*
>>>
>>> *Nitto:*
>>>
>>> - MAP Ahearne 57 Lightly Used $70
>>>
>>> - NITTO Noodle 46 Lightly Used $70
>>>
>>> - NITTO Noodle 48 New $90
>>>
>>> - NITTO M1377 SSB 31.8 54 - Lightly Used $80 - basically the same as the 
>>> Crust Shaka but 31.8
>>>
>>> - CRUST Shaka bar 26.0 54 - New $110
>>>
>>>
>>> *Campagnolo:*
>>>
>>> - Campy C-Record Partial Group Used $300:
>>>
>>> Campagnolo C Record Era Crank 172.5 53/39 Used
>>>
>>> Campagnolo C Record Era Monopaner calipers Excellent Condition
>>>
>>> Campagnolo C Record Short Cage Rear Derailleur Used
>>>
>>> Campagnolo C Record Front Derailleur 28.6 Used
>>>
>>>
>>> - Campagnolo Chorus Rear Derailleur short cage carbon NOS - 2 available 
>>> - $250 each
>>>
>>> - Campagnolo Veloce CT FD 32.0 clamp NOS $40
>>>
>>> - Campagnolo Victory Crankset 170 52/39 Lightly Used $100
>>>
>>> - Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Record Carbon 10 Spd - Lightly Used - $250
>>>
>>> - Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Chorus Carbon 10 Spd- Lightly Used - $200
>>>
>>>
>>> *Paul:*
>>>
>>> - Canti-Levers - Black Anodized - old style with the hollow pivot and 
>>> clip versus the new type with the bearings - 2 sets - Used $100 each.
>>>
>>> - Racer M set - Green Anodized - with green spring adjusters and moon 
>>> units - Lightly Used $600
>>>
>>>
>>> *Wheelsets:*
>>>
>>> - 650b Velocity Dyad laced to Mavic MR601 hubs with matching skewers. 
>>> 130 spaced. SRAM 9 speed cassette. $350
>>>
>>> - 700C Pacenti PL23 laced to White Industries MI5 hubs
>>>
>>>
>>> *Bags:*
>>>
>>> - Ruth Works 8” Tan/Green Camo $250
>>>
>>> - Ruth Works 10” Black Camo $220 - slight tear along one inner pocket.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Cages:*
>>>
>>> - King Cages $20 Each - 7 available - buy all 7 for $100
>>>
>>> - Nitto R Cages $40 Each - 3 available - buy all 3 for $100
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: friction thumb shifters and mounts - Silver2 or similar (for Albatross bars, 9 speed)

[Richard Rose]

I pm’ed you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2022, at 11:47 AM, Pancake  wrote:
> 
> Summary:
> Want to buy Silver thumb mounts and Silver2 shifters for both sides - X and O 
> of both. Or similar like Paul mounts or IRD or anything to get me riding a 9 
> speed cassette, double crankset.
> 
> Details:
> I swapped from Soma Portola drop bars to steel 56cm Albatross bars last night 
> ... only to realize I don't have the shifters I need, oops! Setup is:
> Bars: Albatross bars (22.2mm diameter)
> Rear derailer: Shimano Nexave RD-C505 Rapid Rise
> Rear cassette: 9 speed, 11-40t
> Crankset: IRD Defiant double 46/30t
> Front derailer: SunTour BL BlueLine Riv put on the Charlie H Gallop prototype 
> (so friction best to shift this).
> 
> I have an "O" shifter I can borrow from another bike, but really I'm looking 
> for a pair of both shifters and mounts.
> 
> Hopefully someone has a full set of Silver or similar mounts and/or shifters 
> and I could buy the difference from Riv ( the "X"/right side mount is out of 
> stock there, though BlueLug has full pair/sets w/10 days of shipping time and 
> I want to ride now!)
> 
> I'd be just as happy to get something cheaper/functional to get me riding 
> quickly - Sunrace shifters/mounts would be fine (and could take the silver2 
> shifters later anyhow). Paul mounts would work too - hopefully in silver. I 
> believe IRD and MicroShift also make silver thumb mounts/shifters too. 
> 
> Also, if you've got a pair of silver v-brake pull brake levers I'd be 
> interested. Avid levers work fine, but looking to have a polished look just 
> for fun. 
> 
> Located in Napa but can pick up in Berkeley or SF or most anywhere within an 
> hour like Sacramento or Santa Rosa. 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Abe
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Loving these pics! 

Thanks for the Nutmeg dispatch aleksandrusherenko. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-4 Will M wrote:

> Quickbeaming in the Palisades (NJ): 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52461098124
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:12:34 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: 788DE312-3054-46CC-9E5C-EBEBBB53676E.jpeg]
>>
>> From this week’s trip to Orange County, CA. Slightly lacking in foliage 
>> but…
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Some pics from this past week’s rides:
>>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> From today.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to Leah for sharing those nice fall Platy pics. I thought it'd 
>>> be fun if we all had a place to share some nice fall pics. Here are a few 
>>> of mine from this weekend. 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3200.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3235.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3163.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

Thanks everyone for the nice comments :) 

JohnS: Nice build! Yeah, your Shogun is quite similar to our SR. The SR is 
Champion tubing, too. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:20:20 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Eric,
>
> Very impressed with your SR build and your shop! Looks like everything has 
> a place and everything is in it's place. I 'm going to have to work a 
> little harder to bring my builds up to the level of yours, the homemade 
> badge puts it over the top.
>
> I built up a Shogun Cr-Mo 400 mixte for my wife almost 2 yrs ago. It looks 
> very similar to the your SR, lugs, stays, accent paint, pin strips all look 
> the same, the big difference is the Shogun's tubing is Tange Champion #5. 
> Any who, high lights for the Shogun build include Mafac Racers with VO 
> adjustable toe in brake pad holders, Coda brake levers, Deore XT shift 
> levers, Ultegra FD, STX RD,  Shimano 7 speed freewheel, Sugino 165 cranks, 
> 46/34 chain rings, 700C Wolber GTX rims with Suntour GPX hubs, RH Stampede 
> Pass tires, EPI grips (from Rivendell), Specialized dirt drop stem an a 
> no-name riser bar. All works very well together and my wife is very happy 
> with it. 
>
> Got to keep them vintage mixtes rolling!
>
> JohnS
>
> [image: Shogun_0.jpg]
>
> [image: Shogun_1.jpg]
>
> [image: Shogun_2.jpg]
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's as lovely as the fall scenery in your other post.
>>
>> I was reading Classics Rendezvous post earlier this afternoon on 
>> resto-modding old ubikes to give them new leases for everyday, urban 
>> riding; not the usual classic period racing bikes the site is devoted to. 
>> Someone posted a photo of a lovely Dawes mixte, *toute* *531* IIRC, and 
>> very nicely built up, and I sighed and thought how nice it would be to have 
>> a nice-riding mixte frame built up with good parts *and decent tires!!!** as 
>> an upright addition to my small stable. Nice riding mixte with RH tires and 
>> an obscure Sa 3-speed hub -- lovely.
>>
>> Your SR is a worthy peer.
>>
>> ** I've owned and refurbished at least 1 mixte (Nishiki; and very many 
>> other roadsters, Raleigh and Schwinn and clones) and while it turned out 
>> well, it just wasn't a joy to ride, so I sold it on. I daresay that the 
>> pedestrian tires were largely the culprit.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 6:10 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Last fall my partner inherited an old bike. It's an SR frame that her 
>>> dad purchased for her mom brand new in San Diego in 1987. It was 
>>> over-geared, set up with narrow tires on 27" wheels and needed a few more 
>>> changes to make it more comfortable and practical. I set out for nice wide 
>>> gearing, bars with more sweep back and maxing out the clearance for plump 
>>> 38mm tires. 
>>>
>>> The build video is up here , detailing 
>>> all of the changes along the way. 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> [image: SR1.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR5.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR7.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rosco Bubbe Road f/f 58cm

[Joe Mullins]

Gabe,Keep the faith—if it’s meant to be it will come! Thanks to this group I found a Rosco MMM/or MTN whatever you call it. Brand new too! I haven’t posted about it yet because I’m still needing to take proper pictures. I’ll keep an eye out for you!JoeOn Oct 28, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Gabriel Bruguier  wrote:This was my first Riv many years ago.  I really liked it, but I sold it to fund another project-- which is a decision I've regretted for years.For reference, here is the Rosco Bubbe write up from 2016, I'm looking for the dark blue one.Long shot, but if you have one you'd like to move on, please reach out.  Thank you,-Gabe



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale - Paul, Nitto, Campagnolo, Wheels, Cages, Bags

[Jingy]

That's not Campy C-Record stuff, it's 1st gen Chorus. But it is C-Record 
era(late 80's)
Jim

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:37:32 AM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:

> Did i miss the price for mi5 hubpacenti wheelset?
>
> On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:08 AM, S. Greco  wrote:
>
> I made the photo link public, sorry to all that had to request access. 
> I'll be uploading some more photos later, drop me a email if you'd like to 
> see something specific. $190 for the Edelux headlight. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 S. Greco wrote:
>
>> *Prices do not include shipping - send me a zip and I'll get you a quote.*
>>
>> *Likely $20-$30 for handlebars & bags, $30 - $50 for wheels, happy to 
>> combine for discounts :) **Some pics available here. 
>> 
>>  
>> More photos available upon request.*
>>
>> *Open to offers!*
>>
>> *Nitto:*
>>
>> - MAP Ahearne 57 Lightly Used $70
>>
>> - NITTO Noodle 46 Lightly Used $70
>>
>> - NITTO Noodle 48 New $90
>>
>> - NITTO M1377 SSB 31.8 54 - Lightly Used $80 - basically the same as the 
>> Crust Shaka but 31.8
>>
>> - CRUST Shaka bar 26.0 54 - New $110
>>
>>
>> *Campagnolo:*
>>
>> - Campy C-Record Partial Group Used $300:
>>
>> Campagnolo C Record Era Crank 172.5 53/39 Used
>>
>> Campagnolo C Record Era Monopaner calipers Excellent Condition
>>
>> Campagnolo C Record Short Cage Rear Derailleur Used
>>
>> Campagnolo C Record Front Derailleur 28.6 Used
>>
>>
>> - Campagnolo Chorus Rear Derailleur short cage carbon NOS - 2 available - 
>> $250 each
>>
>> - Campagnolo Veloce CT FD 32.0 clamp NOS $40
>>
>> - Campagnolo Victory Crankset 170 52/39 Lightly Used $100
>>
>> - Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Record Carbon 10 Spd - Lightly Used - $250
>>
>> - Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Chorus Carbon 10 Spd- Lightly Used - $200
>>
>>
>> *Paul:*
>>
>> - Canti-Levers - Black Anodized - old style with the hollow pivot and 
>> clip versus the new type with the bearings - 2 sets - Used $100 each.
>>
>> - Racer M set - Green Anodized - with green spring adjusters and moon 
>> units - Lightly Used $600
>>
>>
>> *Wheelsets:*
>>
>> - 650b Velocity Dyad laced to Mavic MR601 hubs with matching skewers. 130 
>> spaced. SRAM 9 speed cassette. $350
>>
>> - 700C Pacenti PL23 laced to White Industries MI5 hubs
>>
>>
>> *Bags:*
>>
>> - Ruth Works 8” Tan/Green Camo $250
>>
>> - Ruth Works 10” Black Camo $220 - slight tear along one inner pocket.
>>
>>
>> *Cages:*
>>
>> - King Cages $20 Each - 7 available - buy all 7 for $100
>>
>> - Nitto R Cages $40 Each - 3 available - buy all 3 for $100
>>
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[RBW] Re: Great Looking Roadini

[Ryan]

It is a good-looking bike! Have to say...maybe this is down to Leah with 
her mermaid Platypus...that mermaid color is really growing on me...and 
always loved the look of moustache/albastache bars
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:41:27 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> I have never been that into "road bikes" or "road biking," which is of 
> course what drew me to Rivendell, with their genre bending, do everything 
> country, hills bike types.
>
> But damned if this Roadini ain't a beauty!
>
> https://mailchi.mp/3c2fde96e77c/come-see-us-at-philly-bike-expo-this-weekend?e=8a9a8a9b7f
>
> anyone who is going to Philly bike expo gets to see it in person.
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale - Paul, Nitto, Campagnolo, Wheels, Cages, Bags

[Sky Coulter]

Did i miss the price for mi5 hubpacenti wheelset?On Oct 28, 2022, at 8:08 AM, S. Greco  wrote:I made the photo link public, sorry to all that had to request access. I'll be uploading some more photos later, drop me a email if you'd like to see something specific. $190 for the Edelux headlight. On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 S. Greco wrote:Prices do not include shipping - send me a zip and I'll get you a quote.Likely $20-$30 for handlebars & bags, $30 - $50 for wheels, happy to combine for discounts :) Some pics available here. More photos available upon request.Open to offers!Nitto:
- MAP Ahearne 57 Lightly Used $70
- NITTO Noodle 46 Lightly Used $70
- NITTO Noodle 48 New $90
- NITTO M1377 SSB 31.8 54 - Lightly Used $80 - basically the same as the Crust Shaka but 31.8
- CRUST Shaka bar 26.0 54 - New $110

Campagnolo:
- Campy C-Record Partial Group Used $300:
Campagnolo C Record Era Crank 172.5 53/39 Used
Campagnolo C Record Era Monopaner calipers Excellent Condition
Campagnolo C Record Short Cage Rear Derailleur Used
Campagnolo C Record Front Derailleur 28.6 Used

- Campagnolo Chorus Rear Derailleur short cage carbon NOS - 2 available - $250 each
- Campagnolo Veloce CT FD 32.0 clamp NOS $40
- Campagnolo Victory Crankset 170 52/39 Lightly Used $100
- Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Record Carbon 10 Spd - Lightly Used - $250
- Campagnolo Ergo Levers - Chorus Carbon 10 Spd- Lightly Used - $200

Paul:
- Canti-Levers - Black Anodized - old style with the hollow pivot and clip versus the new type with the bearings - 2 sets - Used $100 each.
- Racer M set - Green Anodized - with green spring adjusters and moon units - Lightly Used $600

Wheelsets:
- 650b Velocity Dyad laced to Mavic MR601 hubs with matching skewers. 130 spaced. SRAM 9 speed cassette. $350
- 700C Pacenti PL23 laced to White Industries MI5 hubs

Bags:
- Ruth Works 8” Tan/Green Camo $250
- Ruth Works 10” Black Camo $220 - slight tear along one inner pocket.

Cages:
- King Cages $20 Each - 7 available - buy all 7 for $100
- Nitto R Cages $40 Each - 3 available - buy all 3 for $100



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[RBW] Re: Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

[tc]

No longer looking - thanks all for your replies. 

Tom

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:

> Hey group,
> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in good 
> condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>
> Tom
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

Phil sold, Shimano pending. 

Mirrors $20 each shipped. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 each 
> shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>
> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>
> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for the 
> cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>
> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
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[RBW] WTB: Rosco Bubbe Road f/f 58cm

[Gabriel Bruguier]

This was my first Riv many years ago.  I really liked it, but I sold it to 
fund another project-- which is a decision I've regretted for years.

For reference, here is the Rosco Bubbe write up from 2016 
,
 
I'm looking for the dark blue one.

Long shot, but if you have one you'd like to move on, please reach out.  
Thank you,
-Gabe


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