[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Slin & Brendan – stoked!

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:51:25 AM UTC-8 Brendan Willard in SF 
wrote:

> I'm in Nob Hill, SF.  I'll be in Hawaii until the 10th, but count me in 
> for future rides anywhere in the Bay Area.
>
> Brendan
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:27:01 AM UTC-8 Slin wrote:
>
>> Luke  - I won't be in town for the 31/1st, but I'll join in on later 
>> dates for sure!
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods. 
>>>
>>> Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I love it 
>>> up there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis. 
>>>
>>> Zac – sick!
>>>
>>> It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang out is 
>>> super not required.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down. 

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote:

> I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to meet some 
> of yous
>
> Jay P
>
> Marin
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see 
>> if anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming week(s). 
>> Perhaps 
>> even a New Year’s day ride to celebrate in the new year in style?
>>
>> I’m in the City proper and was thinking about some mixed terrain 
>> around town while keeping it mostly road-ish so that no one’s limited by 
>> the ride route. Pastries + hot drinks + more snacks?
>>
>> I’d love to hear from anyone interested or even connect with other 
>> like-minded people for more than just a one-off ride. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Joe Bernard]

You had the stiffness of the steerer as your "quill", plus there was less 
quill effect as your stem/bars were lower. You're probably feeling the flex 
of that new taller and less stiff stem. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 10:07:09 AM UTC-8 MoVelo wrote:

> I find this topic very interesting. Hope you don't mind if I indulge 
> myself here a bit and solicit an opinion or three.
>
> While I love both the Legolas and Rambouillet, I purchased the Ram first 
> as a used frame, due to the high praise it received on this and other 
> forums. I've had it for over 10 years now and have not grown tired of it's 
> utility, comfort and looks. It's a bike I can ride all day and not feel 
> abused in any way and is well suited to the type of rides I most often do. 
> It's not the lightest steel bike I own but it is probably my favorite and 
> the one I most often ride. Even tho the weight of the frame is not much of 
> a consideration for this audience; it seems to me that it could be one 
> metric of an informed  opinion, and while it won't divulge the tubing spec, 
> it might give a slight clue. Remarkably I neglected to weigh the frame when 
> I acquired it and simply put it together and rode it. I guess I was 
> probably excited to have it in hand. Anyway, it needs to undergo a cleaning 
> and inspection this winter and so I'll put it on the scale and have that 
> information for consideration.
>
> When I saw a very lightly used Legolas come up for sale, given it's 
> unicorn like aura, I jumped on it. Figuring I'd give it a try and probably 
> get my money back if it failed me.  It is a different bike than the Ram in 
> many respects, geometry being one. I suspect the tubing spec'd is quite 
> different too, but I have no knowledge of how or in what way. When it came 
> to me it had a non-threaded steer tube. This prevented me from being able 
> to easily raise the bars to a desirable height. I know there are extenders 
> I could have used, but being the vain cyclist I am I resisted. So for 
> several years I rode the bike and always felt it was 'stiff'. Comparing it 
> to the other steel bikes I owned, rode and enjoyed, I was perplexed at why 
> it felt so stiff and unyielding. I just assumed it being mainly intended as 
> a cross racer, it gave up the some on the comfort side of the equation. 
> This year I finally decided to have the steerer threaded, and found myself 
> amazed at what that little difference made in the bikes riding 
> characteristics. Legolas is a happy, repsonsive elf now, and less of the 
> stern unyielding elf it was before. I have to ask myself, and you if you've 
> managed to hang on this long, how can something as simple as this change 
> make such a difference? 
>
> The bars on the Legolas are a bit higher now and level with the seat as 
> with all the rest of my bikes. The threaded steerer obviously allows the 
> bars to easily be raised to a better position with (in my opinion) a much 
> better looking stem. 
>
> Has the flexibility of the gooseneck stem really changed the feel of the 
> bike? Does the bike actually ride better or is my mind convincing me that 
> because it looks better it rides better? 
>
> J 'inquisitive on a cold December morning' P
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:14:48 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>
>> While I don't own any Riv road bike I was reading the commentary about 
>> the Legolas having notably less drop than the usual road Riv. The Legolas 
>> is/was sorta presented as a 'Cross frame, yes ? Cross frame implying a 
>> higher BB, neutral handling and cantilever brakes. My custom Franklin is 
>> rather like that, about 70mm drop, cantilever brakes, 45.5cm stays, neutral 
>> handling. My only other currently ridden bike is a Bombadil with it's 80mm 
>> drop and noticeable wheel flop, and that to me, still feels odd especially 
>> when I first get on it after riding the Franklin. Cornering high speed on 
>> twisty turns is also weird, where the Franklin is absolutely thrilling in 
>> it's ability to corner high speed and respond with ease to the most subtle 
>> of bodily inputs, be it from upper or lower body. What could be considered 
>> "twitch-a-bility" I liken as magi-bility in that it responds with precision 
>> to every nuance of the body instantly with ease. Like riding a horse that 
>> loves to run Wild and Free. There's no "auto-correct" resistance like I 
>> feel on my Bombadil, which I get the intention in theory, but in 
>> practicality I'd rather have thrilling/responsive than safe/resistant every 
>> day of the week. With "safe" comes restrictions and limitations, in the 
>> "human non-sensical way". The thing is such doesn't "make" one safe anymore 
>> than "unsafe" without them. 
>>
>> I have an affinity with racing frames, European ones mostly, save a Fuji 
>> which was my first. So that surely colors the angle of this story.They all 
>> have that thrilling quality of ease of line changing and maneuverability 
>> which is required 

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Piaw Na]

Threadless stem systems are much stiffer than the traditional threaded 
systems. It's the first thing I notice when switching bikes other than 
tires. Though I will note that I seem to be more sensitive to bike handling 
than others --- people claim that they can't tell the difference between 
frames with 5mm differences in BB drop and I can tell even before I measure 
the bikes.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 10:07:09 AM UTC-8 MoVelo wrote:

> I find this topic very interesting. Hope you don't mind if I indulge 
> myself here a bit and solicit an opinion or three.
>
> While I love both the Legolas and Rambouillet, I purchased the Ram first 
> as a used frame, due to the high praise it received on this and other 
> forums. I've had it for over 10 years now and have not grown tired of it's 
> utility, comfort and looks. It's a bike I can ride all day and not feel 
> abused in any way and is well suited to the type of rides I most often do. 
> It's not the lightest steel bike I own but it is probably my favorite and 
> the one I most often ride. Even tho the weight of the frame is not much of 
> a consideration for this audience; it seems to me that it could be one 
> metric of an informed  opinion, and while it won't divulge the tubing spec, 
> it might give a slight clue. Remarkably I neglected to weigh the frame when 
> I acquired it and simply put it together and rode it. I guess I was 
> probably excited to have it in hand. Anyway, it needs to undergo a cleaning 
> and inspection this winter and so I'll put it on the scale and have that 
> information for consideration.
>
> When I saw a very lightly used Legolas come up for sale, given it's 
> unicorn like aura, I jumped on it. Figuring I'd give it a try and probably 
> get my money back if it failed me.  It is a different bike than the Ram in 
> many respects, geometry being one. I suspect the tubing spec'd is quite 
> different too, but I have no knowledge of how or in what way. When it came 
> to me it had a non-threaded steer tube. This prevented me from being able 
> to easily raise the bars to a desirable height. I know there are extenders 
> I could have used, but being the vain cyclist I am I resisted. So for 
> several years I rode the bike and always felt it was 'stiff'. Comparing it 
> to the other steel bikes I owned, rode and enjoyed, I was perplexed at why 
> it felt so stiff and unyielding. I just assumed it being mainly intended as 
> a cross racer, it gave up the some on the comfort side of the equation. 
> This year I finally decided to have the steerer threaded, and found myself 
> amazed at what that little difference made in the bikes riding 
> characteristics. Legolas is a happy, repsonsive elf now, and less of the 
> stern unyielding elf it was before. I have to ask myself, and you if you've 
> managed to hang on this long, how can something as simple as this change 
> make such a difference? 
>
> The bars on the Legolas are a bit higher now and level with the seat as 
> with all the rest of my bikes. The threaded steerer obviously allows the 
> bars to easily be raised to a better position with (in my opinion) a much 
> better looking stem. 
>
> Has the flexibility of the gooseneck stem really changed the feel of the 
> bike? Does the bike actually ride better or is my mind convincing me that 
> because it looks better it rides better? 
>
> J 'inquisitive on a cold December morning' P
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:14:48 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>
>> While I don't own any Riv road bike I was reading the commentary about 
>> the Legolas having notably less drop than the usual road Riv. The Legolas 
>> is/was sorta presented as a 'Cross frame, yes ? Cross frame implying a 
>> higher BB, neutral handling and cantilever brakes. My custom Franklin is 
>> rather like that, about 70mm drop, cantilever brakes, 45.5cm stays, neutral 
>> handling. My only other currently ridden bike is a Bombadil with it's 80mm 
>> drop and noticeable wheel flop, and that to me, still feels odd especially 
>> when I first get on it after riding the Franklin. Cornering high speed on 
>> twisty turns is also weird, where the Franklin is absolutely thrilling in 
>> it's ability to corner high speed and respond with ease to the most subtle 
>> of bodily inputs, be it from upper or lower body. What could be considered 
>> "twitch-a-bility" I liken as magi-bility in that it responds with precision 
>> to every nuance of the body instantly with ease. Like riding a horse that 
>> loves to run Wild and Free. There's no "auto-correct" resistance like I 
>> feel on my Bombadil, which I get the intention in theory, but in 
>> practicality I'd rather have thrilling/responsive than safe/resistant every 
>> day of the week. With "safe" comes restrictions and limitations, in the 
>> "human non-sensical way". The thing is such doesn't "make" one safe anymore 
>> than "unsafe" without them. 
>>
>> I have an affinity with racing frames, European ones mostly, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jay Lonner]

Are you using cantis or linear pull brakes with the 65 SKS fenders? When my Big Bens wear out I’m thinking of switching to Antelope Hills, and am hoping they’ll work with Motolites and fenders. Jay LonnerBellingham, WA Sent from my Atari 400On Dec 14, 2022, at 5:35 PM, J J  wrote:James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?JamesOn Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove the location of manufacture from the equation. On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, first ride on the rebuild after paint.I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by simplifying the design a bit. To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the origins and intended uses of these frames. I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these bikes along with pictures of builds. Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another thread, there's some great info there. The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdfThe first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here. Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had to stop using Tolkien names. 



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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Joe Bernard]

I suppose there's someone out there who thinks an NOS Bleriot frameset is 
worth that kind of money. And bless their heart! 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-8 J wrote:

> From the ad
>
> New in box Rivendell Bleriot framesets in 55, 57 & 59cm sizes. 
> Ex QBP (Surly/Salsa/All-City) distributor with hard-to-find NOS stock to 
> sell. We bought these when they were available via QBP in MN and have been 
> sitting in dry storage for too long!
> Rivendell's first Taiwan-made frames IIRC and the same quality as their 
> current offerings.
> 59cm currently being held pending payment.
> Tange headset professionally fitted to the 59cm model for display. I'm 
> happy to leave as fitted or remove it if preferred. 
> These are located in Christchurch, NZ and I'm happy to ship worldwide at 
> buyers cost. Approx. international tracked delivery costs in NZ$
> Freight to :
> USA $707 NZD (approx. $467 USD),
> Canada $661 NZD (approx. $590 CAD)
> Japan $570 NZD (approx. ¥50,000)
> Most of Eastern Asia $570 NZD
> UK $661 NZD (approx. £350)
> Europe $661 NZD (approx. 410 EU)
> You're also welcome to get quotes and arrange you own delivery, typically 
> based on 0.1 m3 volume and 5kg shipping weight.
> Shipping is from Christchurch 8061, New Zealand
> Or maybe you know someone visiting NZ or in the US Antarctic Program (12 
> miles from where these are located) with some spare luggage capacity.
> Inquiries are welcome and I'm happy to schedule a WhatsApp or Signal video 
> link to verify authenticity. Also Luke Breen, owner of Perennial Cycle in 
> Minneapolis will vouch for me. 
> I'm open to offers that approximate the price of current equivalent 
> Rivendell framesets, i.e. $1750 USD ($2650 NZD)
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:21:59 PM UTC-5 Chris in NZ wrote:
>
>> Pitching in on the Bleriots as a Kiwi:
>>
>> I can't see the FB listing, but I expect these to be the same frames I've 
>> seen previously listed on another online trading platform here in NZ at 
>> $1400NZD. If they're now listed at $1800, I'm inclined to believe this is 
>> still in NZD, around $1000USD. 
>> For shipping allow $500 these days.
>>
>> I would have bought the 55cm frame last year had I not been in the final 
>> stages of ordering a Platypus frame and parts from Riv.. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:34:12 AM UTC+13 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Tom.  He has adjusted for inflation and shipping will be a 
>>> killer.  The Bleriot is a great bike, I had one for years and I know people 
>>> still want them, heck, I did not stop searching till I found a Saluki ashen 
>>> sold my 55cm Bleriot.  If someone could get it for $1800 or so shipped 
>>> then good.  I bet shipping will be about $300 or more.  
>>>
>>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>
>>> $1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Not on Face Book, what is the asking price? 

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 On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:

 NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
 "Rivendellicious"

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712

 Good luck!

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Gus Boots Wilsen
> 57cm
> $2,000 
> Knoxville, TN
>
>
> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>
>> Heron F/F/HS
>> 59cm
>> Glencoe, Missouri
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>
>> Emmet's Atlantis
>> 62cm
>> $4,100
>> Johnstown, Penna. 
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>>
>> [image: 00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>
>> Platypus F/F/HS
>> 60cm
>> $1,637
>> Eugene, OR
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3589.PNG]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[J J]

James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Hoch in ut]

I had a green one. 700c. Clearance and wheelbase appeared to be essentially 
the same. I couldn’t fit anything bigger than Thunder Burt’s. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:37:40 PM UTC-7 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[J]

>From the ad

New in box Rivendell Bleriot framesets in 55, 57 & 59cm sizes. 
Ex QBP (Surly/Salsa/All-City) distributor with hard-to-find NOS stock to 
sell. We bought these when they were available via QBP in MN and have been 
sitting in dry storage for too long!
Rivendell's first Taiwan-made frames IIRC and the same quality as their 
current offerings.
59cm currently being held pending payment.
Tange headset professionally fitted to the 59cm model for display. I'm 
happy to leave as fitted or remove it if preferred. 
These are located in Christchurch, NZ and I'm happy to ship worldwide at 
buyers cost. Approx. international tracked delivery costs in NZ$
Freight to :
USA $707 NZD (approx. $467 USD),
Canada $661 NZD (approx. $590 CAD)
Japan $570 NZD (approx. ¥50,000)
Most of Eastern Asia $570 NZD
UK $661 NZD (approx. £350)
Europe $661 NZD (approx. 410 EU)
You're also welcome to get quotes and arrange you own delivery, typically 
based on 0.1 m3 volume and 5kg shipping weight.
Shipping is from Christchurch 8061, New Zealand
Or maybe you know someone visiting NZ or in the US Antarctic Program (12 
miles from where these are located) with some spare luggage capacity.
Inquiries are welcome and I'm happy to schedule a WhatsApp or Signal video 
link to verify authenticity. Also Luke Breen, owner of Perennial Cycle in 
Minneapolis will vouch for me. 
I'm open to offers that approximate the price of current equivalent 
Rivendell framesets, i.e. $1750 USD ($2650 NZD)

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:21:59 PM UTC-5 Chris in NZ wrote:

> Pitching in on the Bleriots as a Kiwi:
>
> I can't see the FB listing, but I expect these to be the same frames I've 
> seen previously listed on another online trading platform here in NZ at 
> $1400NZD. If they're now listed at $1800, I'm inclined to believe this is 
> still in NZD, around $1000USD. 
> For shipping allow $500 these days.
>
> I would have bought the 55cm frame last year had I not been in the final 
> stages of ordering a Platypus frame and parts from Riv.. 
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:34:12 AM UTC+13 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tom.  He has adjusted for inflation and shipping will be a killer. 
>>  The Bleriot is a great bike, I had one for years and I know people still 
>> want them, heck, I did not stop searching till I found a Saluki ashen sold 
>> my 55cm Bleriot.  If someone could get it for $1800 or so shipped then 
>> good.  I bet shipping will be about $300 or more.  
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>> $1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price? 
>>>
>>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
>>> "Rivendellicious"
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gus Boots Wilsen
 57cm
 $2,000 
 Knoxville, TN


 https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>
> Heron F/F/HS
> 59cm
> Glencoe, Missouri
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>
> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>
> Emmet's Atlantis
> 62cm
> $4,100
> Johnstown, Penna. 
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>
> [image: 00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>
> Platypus F/F/HS
> 60cm
> $1,637
> Eugene, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>
>
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600
>>
>> [image: IMG_3589.PNG]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

Ahh, unfortunately the 700c models had 2.1" clearance like the Bombadil,
it's the 26" and 650B models had more generous clearance (I'm just going by
an old geometry chart, not real world experience)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 4:37 PM James M  wrote:

> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July
> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I
> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green
> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch
>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more
>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove
>> the location of manufacture from the equation.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a
>>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day,
>>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a
>>> lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the
>>> two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The
>>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire
>>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made
>>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they
>>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by
>>> simplifying the design a bit.
>>>
>>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded
>>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not
>>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really
>>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the
>>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry
>>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis
>>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs.
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the
 origins and intended uses of these frames.

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about
 these bikes along with pictures of builds.

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another
 thread
 ,
  there's
 some great info there.

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here:
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images.

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon.

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg]

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW
 had to stop using Tolkien names.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?

James

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>
> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>
>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
>> has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
>> anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>
>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
the location of manufacture from the equation. 

On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>
> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
> has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
> anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
> simplifying the design a bit. 
>
> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
first ride on the rebuild after paint.

I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
simplifying the design a bit. 

To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded or 
not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not in 
too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really comes 
down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
- basically two flavors of the same bike.   

 

On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist Alert ! - 2022 Rivendell Gus Boots Wilson - $2,000

[Mike Packard]

FWIW I talked to the seller (Jesse) a couple times and almost bought the 
bike. He is very nice and helpful, sent me full build list, was willing to 
have the bike shipped. I only didn't buy because I decided it was too 
similar to my Clem L. Great price for a basically new Gus. He's selling a 
Roadini too. 
https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-rivendell-roadini/7556743493.html

mike


On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:33:06 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well damn.:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 9:49 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> This was posted 29 days. 
>
>
> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
> It might be worth a call before you do a happy dance. Contact phone: (864) 
> 884-4957
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
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[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jay

The most accurate SH would be using a gonimeter to measure your leg angle 
and adjust SH to get the optimum leg angle (I forgot the value).  The bike 
is bike is on a trainer and the front wheel is leveled.   The gonimeter 
measures the leg angle at the bottom of the pedal stroke. 

Typically this is a bike shop and costs about $50 to $75.   I had it done 
and the result was within 2mm of both the LeMond 88.3% of PBH (BB center to 
saddle) and the 109% of PBH when adding your crank length.

Heres a link to 1 of the many websites   How to Determine the Correct 
Saddle Height - Mantel 
  
  He discusses the leg angle method.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:49:07 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. 
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have 
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost. 
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For 
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to 
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my 
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird, 
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and 
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe 
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of 
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is 
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest. 
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle 
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at 
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and 
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a 
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors 
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations 
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the 
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Chris in NZ]

Pitching in on the Bleriots as a Kiwi:

I can't see the FB listing, but I expect these to be the same frames I've 
seen previously listed on another online trading platform here in NZ at 
$1400NZD. If they're now listed at $1800, I'm inclined to believe this is 
still in NZD, around $1000USD. 
For shipping allow $500 these days.

I would have bought the 55cm frame last year had I not been in the final 
stages of ordering a Platypus frame and parts from Riv.. 

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:34:12 AM UTC+13 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Tom.  He has adjusted for inflation and shipping will be a killer. 
>  The Bleriot is a great bike, I had one for years and I know people still 
> want them, heck, I did not stop searching till I found a Saluki ashen sold 
> my 55cm Bleriot.  If someone could get it for $1800 or so shipped then 
> good.  I bet shipping will be about $300 or more.  
>
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>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
> $1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price? 
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
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>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>
>> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
>> "Rivendellicious"
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>>> 57cm
>>> $2,000 
>>> Knoxville, TN
>>>
>>>
>>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 [image: s-l1600.jpg]

 Heron F/F/HS
 59cm
 Glencoe, Missouri

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848

 [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]

 Emmet's Atlantis
 62cm
 $4,100
 Johnstown, Penna. 


 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887

 [image: 00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]

 Platypus F/F/HS
 60cm
 $1,637
 Eugene, OR

 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html


 On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600
>
> [image: IMG_3589.PNG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jim,
Thanks for your efforts to share pictures of headset.
Cheers,
Scott
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  On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 10:31 AM, Jingy wrote:  
 Scott, here are the photos you requested and a link to some more: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1v5Hsa_jF_Y3cdLF9GDtnCxCac-wKfSLX?usp=share_link
Jim

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:21:03 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:

Eric, thanks for your take on headset!
I was hoping Corwin would post pictures of the headset laid out, not stacked, 
so one could visualize the respective parts. And one picture I'd like a do-over 
of is the one that glares out the side of box that lists kit contents.

It's esthetically pleasing, anyways. I could do without the lettering/language, 
as I don't like serving as a company's billboard.
Are bearings cartridge or carriage type?
Cheers,
Scott
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  On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 5:54 PM, Eric Marth wrote:  

Scott — Nice for the price and would buy again and not think twice. 
Nice finish, seems to be considered a good design by people who've run them on 
their bikes. Zero miles on mine so far. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:46 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

Lol.  Still getting used to this place.  Just realized my last comment 
responded to something from 6+ months ago...so it goes...at least the thread 
was current ;)
That said, just want to thank the OP again for doing this as CC is so 
meaningful to the sport of cycling and any support directed his way is great!  
Hope to see more opportunities like this.  Thx!
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 6:26:14 PM UTC-6 Justus G wrote:

I think Greg is actually referring to the SS model, which is an early Ibis 
bike, as opposed to meaning single speed.
As someone with a couple of Scorchers, I will only say that the one thing that 
is more fun than an Ibis Scorcher is a Willits Scorcher with Schwalbe 2.35" Big 
Ones.  Fixed and Plush!  In fact, I never really enjoyed fixed riding as much, 
until I rode fixed and fat.  The originals are an interesting insight into the 
influence Wes would ultimately have and so cool, but he really nailed it with 
the Willits versions as a blast of a bike.

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

Greg...is that Ibis the Scorcher? Man...that bike was so cool. If it didn't in 
some way inspire the Bridgestone X0-1 , I'd be very surprised. They certainly 
both have that iconoclastic vibe 
http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/scorcher.htm 

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this headset.  The 
closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm thinking maybe the '81 
Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?
Greg

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new forthcoming 
Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute two maker projects:
1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the postcard of 
Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  I'll hang that on 
my wall.2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  Yup!  
In my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert this threaded 
headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna pull of that 
craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:

Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of Jacquie and 
Charlie inside box.
MitchSan Luis Obispo, CA

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

I got a headset coming my way. I don't even know what it's for. I'm turning 50 
next month, maybe I'll incorporate it into a bike present for myself!
Eric
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:03 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

This was such an obvious purchase.  I sat back to be polite and let all the 
smart money buy them up.  When I emailed Jacquie she still had headsets to 
sell.  So I bought a headset and a chain.  I'll sit back again to let the smart 
money buy what remains, but after my politeness runs out, I might go back and 
buy more.  
Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:


Hi -
 
Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie Phelan have 
an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB headsets and Sachs/Sedis 
chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie at batnet.com. Payment 
should be via paypal using Jacquie's email address. Friends and family only 
please. Please do not send any money until Jacquie confirms your purchase.
 
About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease Guard was a 
"thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. Charlie created Grease Guard 
and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) is the company Charlie 
founded and was later 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Eric Marth]

Scott — Some fine-grit sandpaper or a razor blade could make quick work of 
the decals. Though I'd hardly call the eight-point font on the headset 
which you could only read once you get within a foot of the bike "a 
billboard." 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 12:31:28 PM UTC-5 Jingy wrote:

> Scott, here are the photos you requested and a link to some more: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1v5Hsa_jF_Y3cdLF9GDtnCxCac-wKfSLX?usp=share_link
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:21:03 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
>
>> Eric, thanks for your take on headset!
>>
>> I was hoping Corwin would post pictures of the headset laid out, not 
>> stacked, so one could visualize the respective parts. And one picture I'd 
>> like a do-over of is the one that glares out the side of box that lists kit 
>> contents.
>>
>> It's esthetically pleasing, anyways. I could do without the 
>> lettering/language, as I don't like serving as a company's billboard.
>>
>> Are bearings cartridge or carriage type?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 5:54 PM, Eric Marth
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Scott — Nice for the price and would buy again and not think twice. 
>>
>> Nice finish, seems to be considered a good design by people who've run 
>> them on their bikes. Zero miles on mine so far. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:46 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Lol.  Still getting used to this place.  Just realized my last comment 
>> responded to something from 6+ months ago...so it goes...at least the 
>> thread was current ;)
>>
>> That said, just want to thank the OP again for doing this as CC is so 
>> meaningful to the sport of cycling and any support directed his way is 
>> great!  Hope to see more opportunities like this.  Thx!
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 6:26:14 PM UTC-6 Justus G wrote:
>>
>> I think Greg is actually referring to the SS model, which is an early 
>> Ibis bike, as opposed to meaning single speed.
>>
>> As someone with a couple of Scorchers, I will only say that the one thing 
>> that is more fun than an Ibis Scorcher is a Willits Scorcher with Schwalbe 
>> 2.35" Big Ones.  Fixed and Plush!  In fact, I never really enjoyed fixed 
>> riding as much, until I rode fixed and fat.  The originals are an 
>> interesting insight into the influence Wes would ultimately have and so 
>> cool, but he really nailed it with the Willits versions as a blast of a 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>> Greg...is that Ibis the Scorcher? Man...that bike was so cool. If it 
>> didn't in some way inspire the Bridgestone X0-1 , I'd be very surprised. 
>> They certainly both have that iconoclastic vibe 
>>
>> http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/scorcher.htm 
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>
>> I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this headset. 
>>  The closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm thinking maybe 
>> the '81 Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new 
>> forthcoming Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute two 
>> maker projects:
>>
>> 1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the postcard 
>> of Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  I'll hang 
>> that on my wall.
>> 2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  Yup!  
>> In my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert this 
>> threaded headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna 
>> pull of that craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:
>>
>> Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of 
>> Jacquie and Charlie inside box.
>>
>> Mitch
>> San Luis Obispo, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> I got a headset coming my way. I don't even know what it's for. I'm 
>> turning 50 next month, maybe I'll incorporate it into a bike present for 
>> myself!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:03 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> This was such an obvious purchase.  I sat back to be polite and let all 
>> the smart money buy them up.  When I emailed Jacquie she still had headsets 
>> to sell.  So I bought a headset and a chain.  I'll sit back again to let 
>> the smart money buy what remains, but after my politeness runs out, I might 
>> go back and buy more.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Posting this for 

Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Tom. He has adjusted for inflation and shipping will be a killer. The 
Bleriot is a great bike, I had one for years and I know people still want them, 
heck, I did not stop searching till I found a Saluki ashen sold my 55cm 
Bleriot. If someone could get it for $1800 or so shipped then good. I bet 
shipping will be about $300 or more.

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:

> $1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
>
>> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price?
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
>>> "Rivendellicious"
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Gus Boots Wilsen
 57cm
 $2,000
 Knoxville, TN

 https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [s-l1600.jpg]
>
> Heron F/F/HS
> 59cm
> Glencoe, Missouri
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>
> [s-l1600-1.jpg]
>
> Emmet's Atlantis
> 62cm
> $4,100
> Johnstown, Penna.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>
> [00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>
> Platypus F/F/HS
> 60cm
> $1,637
> Eugene, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600
>>
>> [IMG_3589.PNG]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rosco Platypus 60cm - Purple!

[a spen]

Oops! The blog has changed, sorry!  I've been in touch with Eric and we'll 
get those pics up asap.  In the meantime, here is a link to the original 
post, with a single pic of the bike.
Thanks!

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/MeyfrMG5zlo/m/VK5g524oAgAJ

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-5 a spen wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm reluctantly parting with my latest acquisition, a 60 cm Rosco Platy-  
> in purple!
> I find it to be a more forgiving, compliant, and spritely ride than the 
> Gus & Suzie, and if it had a greater stack height it would be my perfect 
> all arounder, but the combination of my too tall pbh (99cm) and needing 
> handlebars up higher still just doesn't work here.
>  
> Having owned/own a slew of Rivs, this would be my candidate for 'the one 
> to rule them all'. An incredibly versatile, capable, and of course, being a 
> Riv, fun.
>
> I cannot improve on the description, pics & presentation from the original 
> poster, so a link is provided below. The bike is entirely as listed minus 
> peddles.
>
> --$1650 for complete bike. (Would prefer to sell complete, but F/F/HS 
> possible)
>  
> Shipping or delivery between DC and Atlanta possible
>
> ***Please message me with your questions, inquiries, etc.***
>
> Thanks!
> Al in VA
>
> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rosco Platypus 60cm - Purple!

[Tom Wyland]

Hi Al!  I don't see a Riv post at that link.   

- Tom 
Reston, VA

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-5 a spen wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm reluctantly parting with my latest acquisition, a 60 cm Rosco Platy-  
> in purple!
> I find it to be a more forgiving, compliant, and spritely ride than the 
> Gus & Suzie, and if it had a greater stack height it would be my perfect 
> all arounder, but the combination of my too tall pbh (99cm) and needing 
> handlebars up higher still just doesn't work here.
>  
> Having owned/own a slew of Rivs, this would be my candidate for 'the one 
> to rule them all'. An incredibly versatile, capable, and of course, being a 
> Riv, fun.
>
> I cannot improve on the description, pics & presentation from the original 
> poster, so a link is provided below. The bike is entirely as listed minus 
> peddles.
>
> --$1650 for complete bike. (Would prefer to sell complete, but F/F/HS 
> possible)
>  
> Shipping or delivery between DC and Atlanta possible
>
> ***Please message me with your questions, inquiries, etc.***
>
> Thanks!
> Al in VA
>
> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html
>

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[RBW] Re: 1/4 scale Bleriot

[Minh]

lol you got me marty, i was really hoping for a mini-bleriot.   i seen 
these junior size Bianchi track bikes that are just so cute, i'd get one 
just to hang it on the wall!

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 9:28:34 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> Well, it does have two wheels...truly a thing of beauty - something I 
> think we can all appreciate. 
>
> Bleriot 
>
> Marty
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Tom Wyland]

$1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price?
>
> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>
> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group
> "Rivendellicious"
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>> 57cm
>> $2,000
>> Knoxville, TN
>>
>>
>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> Heron F/F/HS
>>> 59cm
>>> Glencoe, Missouri
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>>
>>> Emmet's Atlantis
>>> 62cm
>>> $4,100
>>> Johnstown, Penna.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>>>
>>> [image: 00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>>
>>> Platypus F/F/HS
>>> 60cm
>>> $1,637
>>> Eugene, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600

 [image: IMG_3589.PNG]

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not on Face Book, what is the asking price?

Sent from Proton Mail for iOS

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:

> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
> "Rivendellicious"
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>
> Good luck!
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>> 57cm
>> $2,000
>> Knoxville, TN
>>
>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> Heron F/F/HS
>>> 59cm
>>> Glencoe, Missouri
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>>>
>>> [s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>>
>>> Emmet's Atlantis
>>> 62cm
>>> $4,100
>>> Johnstown, Penna.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>>>
>>> [00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>>
>>> Platypus F/F/HS
>>> 60cm
>>> $1,637
>>> Eugene, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600

 [IMG_3589.PNG]
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Rosco Platypus 60cm - Purple!

[a spen]

Hi Folks,

I'm reluctantly parting with my latest acquisition, a 60 cm Rosco Platy-  
in purple!
I find it to be a more forgiving, compliant, and spritely ride than the Gus 
& Suzie, and if it had a greater stack height it would be my perfect all 
arounder, but the combination of my too tall pbh (99cm) and needing 
handlebars up higher still just doesn't work here.
 
Having owned/own a slew of Rivs, this would be my candidate for 'the one to 
rule them all'. An incredibly versatile, capable, and of course, being a 
Riv, fun.

I cannot improve on the description, pics & presentation from the original 
poster, so a link is provided below. The bike is entirely as listed minus 
peddles.

--$1650 for complete bike. (Would prefer to sell complete, but F/F/HS 
possible)
 
Shipping or delivery between DC and Atlanta possible

***Please message me with your questions, inquiries, etc.***

Thanks!
Al in VA

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Jared Wilson]

NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
"Rivendellicious"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712

Good luck!

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gus Boots Wilsen
> 57cm
> $2,000 
> Knoxville, TN
>
>
> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>
>> Heron F/F/HS
>> 59cm
>> Glencoe, Missouri
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>
>> Emmet's Atlantis
>> 62cm
>> $4,100
>> Johnstown, Penna. 
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>>
>> [image: 00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>
>> Platypus F/F/HS
>> 60cm
>> $1,637
>> Eugene, OR
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600
>>>  
>>> [image: IMG_3589.PNG]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[MoVelo]

I find this topic very interesting. Hope you don't mind if I indulge myself 
here a bit and solicit an opinion or three.

While I love both the Legolas and Rambouillet, I purchased the Ram first as 
a used frame, due to the high praise it received on this and other forums. 
I've had it for over 10 years now and have not grown tired of it's utility, 
comfort and looks. It's a bike I can ride all day and not feel abused in 
any way and is well suited to the type of rides I most often do. It's not 
the lightest steel bike I own but it is probably my favorite and the one I 
most often ride. Even tho the weight of the frame is not much of a 
consideration for this audience; it seems to me that it could be one metric 
of an informed  opinion, and while it won't divulge the tubing spec, it 
might give a slight clue. Remarkably I neglected to weigh the frame when I 
acquired it and simply put it together and rode it. I guess I was probably 
excited to have it in hand. Anyway, it needs to undergo a cleaning and 
inspection this winter and so I'll put it on the scale and have that 
information for consideration.

When I saw a very lightly used Legolas come up for sale, given it's unicorn 
like aura, I jumped on it. Figuring I'd give it a try and probably get my 
money back if it failed me.  It is a different bike than the Ram in many 
respects, geometry being one. I suspect the tubing spec'd is quite 
different too, but I have no knowledge of how or in what way. When it came 
to me it had a non-threaded steer tube. This prevented me from being able 
to easily raise the bars to a desirable height. I know there are extenders 
I could have used, but being the vain cyclist I am I resisted. So for 
several years I rode the bike and always felt it was 'stiff'. Comparing it 
to the other steel bikes I owned, rode and enjoyed, I was perplexed at why 
it felt so stiff and unyielding. I just assumed it being mainly intended as 
a cross racer, it gave up the some on the comfort side of the equation. 
This year I finally decided to have the steerer threaded, and found myself 
amazed at what that little difference made in the bikes riding 
characteristics. Legolas is a happy, repsonsive elf now, and less of the 
stern unyielding elf it was before. I have to ask myself, and you if you've 
managed to hang on this long, how can something as simple as this change 
make such a difference? 

The bars on the Legolas are a bit higher now and level with the seat as 
with all the rest of my bikes. The threaded steerer obviously allows the 
bars to easily be raised to a better position with (in my opinion) a much 
better looking stem. 

Has the flexibility of the gooseneck stem really changed the feel of the 
bike? Does the bike actually ride better or is my mind convincing me that 
because it looks better it rides better? 

J 'inquisitive on a cold December morning' P


On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 3:14:48 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> While I don't own any Riv road bike I was reading the commentary about the 
> Legolas having notably less drop than the usual road Riv. The Legolas 
> is/was sorta presented as a 'Cross frame, yes ? Cross frame implying a 
> higher BB, neutral handling and cantilever brakes. My custom Franklin is 
> rather like that, about 70mm drop, cantilever brakes, 45.5cm stays, neutral 
> handling. My only other currently ridden bike is a Bombadil with it's 80mm 
> drop and noticeable wheel flop, and that to me, still feels odd especially 
> when I first get on it after riding the Franklin. Cornering high speed on 
> twisty turns is also weird, where the Franklin is absolutely thrilling in 
> it's ability to corner high speed and respond with ease to the most subtle 
> of bodily inputs, be it from upper or lower body. What could be considered 
> "twitch-a-bility" I liken as magi-bility in that it responds with precision 
> to every nuance of the body instantly with ease. Like riding a horse that 
> loves to run Wild and Free. There's no "auto-correct" resistance like I 
> feel on my Bombadil, which I get the intention in theory, but in 
> practicality I'd rather have thrilling/responsive than safe/resistant every 
> day of the week. With "safe" comes restrictions and limitations, in the 
> "human non-sensical way". The thing is such doesn't "make" one safe anymore 
> than "unsafe" without them. 
>
> I have an affinity with racing frames, European ones mostly, save a Fuji 
> which was my first. So that surely colors the angle of this story.They all 
> have that thrilling quality of ease of line changing and maneuverability 
> which is required when riding in a ever moving group of riders and road 
> furniture. 
>
> The Legolas frame as it is doesn't fit me though as it's much too short in 
> reach, as are most Rivs. So while I have no direct experience with it, I 
> love a good a story  and who doesn't ? !  
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:31:14 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:
>
>> Jim, thank you for your message! It 

[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Brendan Willard in SF]

I'm in Nob Hill, SF.  I'll be in Hawaii until the 10th, but count me in for 
future rides anywhere in the Bay Area.

Brendan

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:27:01 AM UTC-8 Slin wrote:

> Luke  - I won't be in town for the 31/1st, but I'll join in on later dates 
> for sure!
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods. 
>>
>> Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I love it up 
>> there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis. 
>>
>> Zac – sick!
>>
>> It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang out is 
>> super not required.
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote:
>>>
 I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to meet some 
 of yous

 Jay P

 Marin

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see 
> if anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming week(s). Perhaps 
> even a New Year’s day ride to celebrate in the new year in style?
>
> I’m in the City proper and was thinking about some mixed terrain 
> around town while keeping it mostly road-ish so that no one’s limited by 
> the ride route. Pastries + hot drinks + more snacks?
>
> I’d love to hear from anyone interested or even connect with other 
> like-minded people for more than just a one-off ride. 
>


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Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

[Den John]

Halo components in the UK do some wide rims for rim brakes in 26", 27.5" 
and 29". 
Their SAS is 26 or 27.5" and 30mm internal width. 
Their T2 is 29" and 26mm internal width.
I think they have some other models too. 

I have the SAS 27.5" on my single speed MTB. I was worried they'd feel 
heavy (760g) but not so far. They did squeal a bit because the braking 
surface needs to bed in, otherwise no problems.
Currently running 2.8" WTB Rangers with tubes. Not tried tubeless setup yet 
with these. I like the Rangers a lot in that size, but seems like they are 
getting hard to find, at least here in the EU.

Cheers,
Johnny
On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 02:05:20 UTC+1 Paul Clifton wrote:

> This just reminded me ...  I scored some 27.5x2.8" WTB Rangers the other 
> day. I wonder if they'll be taller on the cliffhangers.
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:35 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the chart Laing!
>>
>> Deore's and many others clear 2.8" G Ones on a 650b Cliffhanger on the 
>> Gus just fine. I guess I get some leaves in between the tire and the cable 
>> sometimes, but that happens with all rim brakes IME.
>>
>> The Motolites technically cleared, if I set them up very close to the rim 
>> so that the arms were as vertical as possible. But it was too close for 
>> comfort, and I did hear some rubbing occasionally, but not sure what was 
>> deforming to cause it ...
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:54:46 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Shimano Deores are only 4mm (1/6") longer than Paul Motolites. If you 
>>> want something longer:
>>>
>>> [image: V brakes.JPG]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Paul brings up an excellent point. If you plan on running the max tire 
 size on your Gus, just make sure the brake you use will clear it. I had 
 already purchased MotoLites for mine before even considering a tire size. 
 Ended up going with 2.5” Ehlines, which turned out to clear the brakes by 
 maybe 1cm. I doubt I’d feel comfortable with any less clearance just due 
 to 
 the chances of picking up mud and rocks and sticks on chunky treads. Of 
 course, this says more about the limitations of certain brakes than it 
 does 
 tires. With the right brake choice, you should be able to run the 2.8s no 
 problem… just keep it in mind.

 On Dec 13, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:

 

 Richard,
 I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I 
 don't think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost 
 certainly won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to 
 clear the 2.8" G-ones.

 So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the 
 rim width being a limiting factor.

 Paul in AR

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail 
> Ehline 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true 
> “plus” bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with 
> success. Not sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim 
> brake rims.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?
>
> I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 
> 2.6 to begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is 
> within Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go 
> outside of "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per 
> side wider. It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.
>
> I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. 
> Have you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I 
> wouldn't hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my 
> door 
> step...
>
> Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.
>
> Best,
>
> Scott in about to get very cold Montana
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> 2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable 
> Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c  rim brake rim that is a bit 
> wider? 
> I have not found one. 
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[RBW] Re: For sale: Rivendell wool cap, Rivendell wool baselayer

[Eric Marth]

Baselayer sold, cheers. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 9:03:52 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Two Riv woolies for sale :) 
>
> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Venmo or PayPal friends 
> & family preferred. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> [image: IMG_4164.JPG]
>
> *Rivendell by Randi Jo wool cap — $40*
> This is a size large in Randi Jo sizing and a size "medium" in Rivendell 
> sizing as confirmed by Eric at RJF. It's worn in with a bit of overall 
> fading and some discoloration to the interior band. 
>
> [image: IMG_4163.JPG]
>
> *Rivendell MUSA wool long sleeve baselayer — $40*
> Labeled a size medium, not shrunken or mistreated by improper drying. It's 
> grey with purple stripes, color is most accurate in the picture with the 
> cap. Long sleeves, made in USA. Pit to pit: 20". Overall length: 26". It's 
> 100% wool, of course. I can't find any holes. 
>
> [image: IMG_4168.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_4165.JPG]
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks (thank you, thank you) for bringing attention to the the Catalyst 
pedal - I think it will be a godsend for me.  I deal with an injury related 
neuropathy in my left calf muscle which prevents me from doing things like 
a tippy toe on that side.  Had to sell my pristine manual ‘07 Honda S2000 
as I could no longer use the clutch safely - a tragedy!  Being able to 
incorporate more of my foot on the pedal will be wonderful as I half-foot 
my left pedal now and it is a struggle.  I measure to a 76cm saddle height 
based on PBH, but it runs closer to 70cm in actual use.  Not ideal, but 
better than siting on the couch.

With a new Sam ordered, I now think I will now request the smaller 170MM 
crank as part of the build to help balance things out.

Sure glad I found this group!

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jay, I noticed your mention of the Pedaling Innovations Catalyst pedal. If 
> you are using a mid-foot position on your pedals ( I do) you may need to 
> adjust your saddle down 2-3 cm. I discovered this on my own then confirmed 
> it with Pedaling Innovations. For this and other reasons I do not favor the 
> PBH method of determining saddle height. It’s more a guideline than a rule. 
> I have used the knee slightly bent at bottom of stroke for 50 years without 
> injury or incident.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. 
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have 
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost. 
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For 
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to 
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my 
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird, 
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and 
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe 
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of 
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is 
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest. 
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle 
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at 
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and 
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a 
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors 
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations 
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the 
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
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[RBW] 1/4 scale Bleriot

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Well, it does have two wheels...truly a thing of beauty - something I think 
we can all appreciate. 

Bleriot 

Marty


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[RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Climbing past 2,300 views now - a new record for these updates! Glad you 
all like it. Beginning to think about something new. Open to ideas from the 
bunch as to what kind of Riv-related poster (or calendar?) you might like 
to see. I've done one of the bike models before, but it was difficult to 
find good hi-res photos of all the bikes. No promise that I'll do something 
in the near future, but when the mood strikes I want to have some ideas in 
mind that this group would appreciate. 

Marty

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:57:53 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Marty !
>
> What a wonderful job you have done !  Magnifico !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:46:14 PM UTC-8 C Lin wrote:
>
>> I would like to frame a print and mounted on my wall. Any suggestion on 
>> material to print to and what is maximum size?
>>
>> Would also appreciate if someone can recommend a local San Diego printer 
>>
>> Carlos in San Diego
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:16:44 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>>
>>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front 
>>>and center and larger than life.
>>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>>blue.  
>>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>>sold yet. 
>>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the 
>>>badges. Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>>
>>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell 
>>> continues to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>>
>>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>>> throughout the year!
>>>
>>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Gus shipping from Canada

[T s]

Canadian here, when I have shipped frames to Canada in the past the magic 
number was $800, after that state sales tax could  be applied, shippers 
will also often charge a handling fee of aprox $50.  Just as a side note, 
the frame you are purchasing will have Canadian  duty included in the 
price, Canada still has tariffs on bicycle frames and completes, so the 
dealer would have had to pay 5percent duty on the frame after which they 
would have set their price.  However the price is likely based off a higher 
exchange rate that was in place when they procured the frame, , so in 
todays dollars you are coming out ahead. 

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:16:44 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:

> Last time I checked (2019), US has an $800 tax and duty exempt limit for 
> purchases made outside the country (i.e. mail order)..  Anything above is 
> liable for State taxes however in reality this is rarely enforced.
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Gus I found is at a Riv dealer in Canada. Having googled until I 
>> cannot stand it anymore I ask; anyone have experience with "clearance" fees 
>> associated with importing a bicycle frame from Canada? The closest I have 
>> come to uncovering the cost is that items valued under $2,500.00 US are 
>> less expensive and easier to do than items over $2,500.00. I started a 
>> Bikeflights estimate and I get the shipping cost and a message that 
>> clearance fees will be calculated and added to order.
>
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