Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Jacob Byard]

You don’t have to go that hard. I just get super paranoid. I know the bike can’t go anywhere but you never know…. I personally think the Thule rack is easier to use but the 1Up is much lighter. It installs in about a minute. That 1Up fender attachment looks interesting. My mountain bike just got fendered but I haven’t mounted it in the rack yet. I don’t know that I would trust not being able to crush that tire (paranoia). Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 21, 2023, at 10:33 PM, DamonLee  wrote:I thought the same thing Leah, it looks soft but not grippy therefore requiring downwards force to hold it. The swagman looks good as it doesn't rely on clamping the tops of the wheels in any capacity.The deformation on the tires in jacobs photo makes me think I'd never want to put that kind of pressure on a fender.DamonOn Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:51:28 AM UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I am following this thread with interest. I have the Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, but that company seems to be lessening their quality and maybe even phasing out this rack. They have a new modular system they seem to want you to buy, and it isn’t going to play nice with mixtes with fenders. Now, I have heard so much good about the 1Up rack, but honestly HOW is that fender cushion gonna work? Won’t it just mash my metal fenders? Push them out of shape? Mess up the alignment? Maybe someone with a fendered mixte wouldn’t mind posting it on their 1Up rack? LeahOn Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:44:49 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
Toshi,Occasionally, you can find 
the Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw on Craigslist:https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bop/d/bellevue-yakima-lockjaw-upright-roof/7587045203.htmlI have the Yakima Raptor roof rack with two trays. I recently modified two trays into one for my 80" Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. One day, I will not be able to lift my bike over my head onto the tray. For now, it works. Kim HetzelYelm, WA. 
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my full coverage rear fender. What do you think?I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step throughs/mixtes.I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any luck with those?Toshi in Oakland On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have fenders).JoyceOn Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[DamonLee]

I thought the same thing Leah, it looks soft but not grippy therefore 
requiring downwards force to hold it. The swagman looks good as it doesn't 
rely on clamping the tops of the wheels in any capacity.
The deformation on the tires in jacobs photo makes me think I'd never want 
to put that kind of pressure on a fender.

Damon
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:51:28 AM UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I am following this thread with interest. I have the Saris Freedom 4 bike 
> rack, but that company seems to be lessening their quality and maybe even 
> phasing out this rack. They have a new modular system they seem to want you 
> to buy, and it isn’t going to play nice with mixtes with fenders. 
>
> Now, I have heard so much good about the 1Up rack, but honestly HOW is 
> that fender cushion gonna work? Won’t it just mash my metal fenders? Push 
> them out of shape? Mess up the alignment? Maybe someone with a fendered 
> mixte wouldn’t mind posting it on their 1Up rack? 
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:44:49 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Toshi,
>>
>> Occasionally, you can find the Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a 
>> claw on Craigslist:
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bop/d/bellevue-yakima-lockjaw-upright-roof/7587045203.html
>>
>> I have the Yakima Raptor roof rack with two trays. I recently modified 
>> two trays into one for my 80" Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. One day, I will not 
>> be able to lift my bike over my head onto the tray. For now, it works. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my 
>>> full coverage rear fender. What do you think?
>>>
>>> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s 
>>> Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.
>>>
>>> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
>>> throughs/mixtes.
>>>
>>> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
>>> luck with those?
>>>
>>> Toshi in Oakland 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>>
 I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. 
 My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with 
 an 
 xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 

 [image: image0.jpeg]

 -Jacob

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:

 

 If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
 NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
 I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
 at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.

 On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:

 The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
 made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
 fenders).

 Joyce

 On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:

> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my 
>> fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for 
>> fenders.  
>> And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through. 
>>  
>> This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: The Cabo Loop, BSC

[John Rinker]

Steven,

That looks like fine Spring riding and that road swinging up the hill looks 
like a lot of fun (up or down). Years ago I lived in Morocco and visited 
Portugal. I remember it being wild and hilly. Must be a wonderful place to 
ride.

Cheers,
John

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 12:04:09 AM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> John, I saw that massive development last time I was there, its been 
> building for years. Glad to hear your tires were big enough for those sand 
> roads. We should enjoy any undeveloped waterfront, its being built up in so 
> many places. Currently in the southwest corner of Portugal, where there is 
> less than the rest of theAlgarve coast to the east. Steve
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 9:37 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, friends! Glad you enjoyed the read. Even more fun to ride it, so 
>> make a plan if you can.
>>
>> Steven, La Ribera seems to be undergoing a massive construction project 
>> involving a marina and a golf course. Very dusty when we rode through. Fat 
>> tires would be helpful, but not necessary. My 2.15 Schwalbe All Motions did 
>> the trick just fine.
>>
>> Eric, Yes, there are a lot of photos on the Gaia tracks. I really enjoy 
>> this app on such trips for navigation, but also as a record keeper. The 
>> photos do pile up though.
>>
>> Kim, Your Clem Jr. would handle this ride with no problem. We encountered 
>> a couple for Colorado on 90s-era mountain bikes, fully loaded on 1.95s, and 
>> they were having a blast! 
>>
>> In all the reading leading up to the trip about optimal tires and best 
>> set-ups, the best advice was: 'Just go ride it!'
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:58:46 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Thank-you for letting me know. 
>>>
>>> As I read and saw your pictures, I visualized myself riding my Clem 
>>> Smith Jr. "L" bike with my wide tires navigating through all the varied 
>>> terrain and having a great adventure in a world with very few people 
>>> around. I would be happy eating authentic Mexican food. 
>>>
>>> In my dreamtime,
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:00 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Kim,

 Daytime temps were around 25-27C (77-80F)  A couple of days we had very 
 nice cloud cover which kept things cooler while climbing in the mountains; 
 very nice, indeed.

 Cheers, John

 On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 8:05:32 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wonderful getaway ride report !  Thank-you for sharing.
> What was the day time high temperatures like ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 7:41:09 PM UTC-8 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> Awesome! Thanks for the write up. That looks like a great get away.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2023, at 4:42 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> A friend and I recently hung up our skis here in BC for a few weeks 
>> and headed south to Baja Sur to ride the Cape (Cabo) Loop that completes 
>> the popular Baja Divide route. The loop is roughly 450km and takes in 
>> the 
>> Pacific Ocean, the* Sierra La Lagunas*, and beautiful beaches along 
>> the Sea of Cortez. The landscape in both the mountains and along the 
>> coasts 
>> is a rich and diverse desert ecosystem. In addition to a variety of 
>> birds, 
>> we saw tons (literally) of humpback whales and mobula rays along the 
>> eastern coastline. The route is somewhat challenging with some stiff 
>> climbing, tire-sucking sand, and a few technical rock-dancing sections. 
>> Mostly, it’s a stunner ride that offers warm weather mid-Winter and wild 
>> camping in beautiful spots both in the mountains and on relatively empty 
>> beaches. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Shortly after landing in San Jose del Cabo, we put our bikes together 
>> and headed toward the Baja brewery in the Old Town to carbo load with 
>> Peyote IPAs and* tacos de pescado* for our departure the following 
>> morning. We chose to complete the loop in a clockwise manner as, after 
>> the 
>> busy-ness of San Jose, we were itching for the solitude of the 
>> mountains. 
>> Climbing into the *Sierra La Lagunas*, we were pleasantly surprised 
>> by the prevalence of running water in many of the arroyos (Feb 2023). At 
>> the height of land, we camped in a clearing under a mature Mexican white 
>> oak surrounded by organ pipe cactus and Torchwood trees. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Our ride down the other side the next morning was a fast descent 
>> through sandy curves as we headed towards *Todos Santos* and the 
>> Pacific Coast. Again, there was plenty of water flowing through this 
>> verdant, desert landscape. *Todos Santos* is a historical Mexican 
>> town fast on its way to becoming a gentrified destination for North 
>> Americans 

[RBW] Re: 58 Simple One pics

[Matt Beecher]

I've got a Quickbeam and yet I still find myself staring at this and 
wondering what I could do with it.  Thankfully, I imagine this will be gone 
soon.  

Good luck with the sale.  It is a beauty. 

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:47:57 PM UTC-6 alan lavine wrote:

> Tried to get all the beausage visible, but overall from 5 ft, it looks 
> good.
> Alan
>
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[RBW] FS: Sackville Shopsack and Grabsack

[Michael Ullmer]

I've got two Sackville Bags surplus to my needs.

1) Riv Grabsack in Brown - $50 shipped
--I picked this up at this price from Bill a couple months ago, but its 
just not the right bag for me. In great shape, I added some extra hardware 
(strap keepers) which you can remove easily if you want.

2) Riv Shopsack Medium in Grid Gray - $60 plus shipping via Pirateship
--I've been using Dark Realm bag instead of this for a basket bag. In great 
shape, picked up off the list last year.

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tfx3kZ94hMsU5Mdm7

PM off-list

Mike in Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: 26" dynamo wheelset, studded tires

[Joe D.]

And I forgot to mention that I'm happy to separate out the  Schwalbe 
studded tires (26" X 2") for $80, shipped.

Thanks!

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Wishing-for-spring cleanout!
>
> For sale is the dynamo wheelset off my Yuba Mundo cargo bike. These are 
> like new, maybe ~500 miles. 15 x 100 TA front, 12 x 142 TA rear, disc only. 
> They're 36 hole wheels and made to carry insane amounts of weight. Front 
> hub is Shimano DH-UR708-3D Dynamo hub, 6v 3w (hub retails new for about ~ 
> $120 by itself). Rear hub is unknown Shimano model. Rims are WTB SX 23 
> (23mm internal width).
>
> Also included are the lights and wiring. Front light is a 50 lumen Trelock 
> LS 382 VIO (new for ~ $50). Rear light is AXA Blueline Steady (~ $20 new).
>
> And finally, the studded tires I used, Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus, 26" 
> X 2" (retail new ~ $80 per tire). These are fantastic on ice and hardpacked 
> snow. All studs are in. Only ~75 miles on these this winter.
>
> I'm only selling because I got a plus size wheelset so I could run bigger 
> tires in the cargo bike.
>
> $300, shipped, for everything, unless you want to meet in person in 
> Helena, MT.
>
> Also open to trades, specifically an old 26+ bike that takes 100qr front, 
> 135qr rear (surly troll, etc.), and ideally frame only, since I already 
> have a Troll fork. Or a cheap old fat bike. I also have and could part with 
> an '88 Schwinn Traveler converted to gravel riding with flat bars, 1x 
> drivetrain, and 40mm knobby tires, plus a '94 Marin Pine Mountain frame 
> with a Surly Troll fork, if you really want to wheel and deal :)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I am following this thread with interest. I have the Saris Freedom 4 bike 
rack, but that company seems to be lessening their quality and maybe even 
phasing out this rack. They have a new modular system they seem to want you 
to buy, and it isn’t going to play nice with mixtes with fenders. 

Now, I have heard so much good about the 1Up rack, but honestly HOW is that 
fender cushion gonna work? Won’t it just mash my metal fenders? Push them 
out of shape? Mess up the alignment? Maybe someone with a fendered mixte 
wouldn’t mind posting it on their 1Up rack? 
Leah

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:44:49 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Toshi,
>
> Occasionally, you can find the Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a 
> claw on Craigslist:
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bop/d/bellevue-yakima-lockjaw-upright-roof/7587045203.html
>
> I have the Yakima Raptor roof rack with two trays. I recently modified two 
> trays into one for my 80" Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. One day, I will not be 
> able to lift my bike over my head onto the tray. For now, it works. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my 
>> full coverage rear fender. What do you think?
>>
>> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s 
>> Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.
>>
>> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
>> throughs/mixtes.
>>
>> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
>> luck with those?
>>
>> Toshi in Oakland 
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
>>> 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl 
>>> Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> -Jacob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
>>> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
>>> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
>>> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>>>
>>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
>>> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
>>> fenders).
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>
 We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.

 On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my 
> fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for 
> fenders.  
> And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  
> This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Book recommendations for learning how to build up a bike

[Will M]

Hi again, Stephanie.  Did you see that Igor Shteynbuk at Velo Orange has 
posed part 1 (of 4) in a video series building up a rando bike from 
scratch?  Not a book, but useful?  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUdpmiCokTc   



On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5 Stephanie A. wrote:

> Thank you so much for all that you have shared. 
>
> Okay...I'll try to get by with all of the online resources you've shared 
> and search through the libraries around me first.
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:14:53 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
>> Mackenzy:
>>
>> DITTO...
>>
>> Until just the other day I didn't know he passed away in 2008, RIP.
>>
>> The site is remarkably helpful for tips, DIY, and trivia things like cog 
>> spacing...haha.
>>
>> Outside of Service Instructions it's my go to resource. Crazy the number 
>> of topics that are covered. And, as you say, he wrote well such that his 
>> guidance is easy reading.
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 3:55 PM, Mackenzy Albright
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Not to discourage books. I love books. Just an FYI I am a really really 
>> really big fan of the Sheldon Brown website. Every time. i need to do a 
>> thing to my bike that I cant remember how to do it i just type whatever I 
>> need and sheldon brown.  like "chain length sheldon brown"  problem solved. 
>>
>> I love that every write up is well written. builds in problem solving and 
>> issues based DIY compatibility options instead of assuming group sets and 
>> new parts. etc. 
>>
>> I wish somebody would just compile the sheldon brown website into a 
>> hardcover book. ISOLA PRESS. After jobst brant - here is your next project! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:14:20 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>> My experience with bike mechanic books is that they all say the same 
>> stuff, but in different ways, with different styles of illustrations or 
>> photographs, and in varying degrees of detail. It might be worth a trip to 
>> the library to flip through a few of them and see what jives with your 
>> experience and preferences.
>>
>> The one I used as a kid was called something like "How to fix your 
>> bicycle" and it just confused me (and my dad who is a competent mechanic). 
>> So definitely skim anything you can before you buy it.
>>
>> The content I would really want in a book is tips and tricks, like how to 
>> hold everything just right to get the cable tension for my brakes perfect 
>> and what parts are compatible with other parts (like using a 9 speed chain 
>> on 8 speed cassettes, or using Shimano road shifters with mountain 
>> derailers). I don't know of a book that has that stuff, but I bet there is 
>> one out there that does.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:08:04 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:
>>
>> As I continue to change things on my current bike, I've realize that what 
>> I really want is a book that helps me understand building up and 
>> maintaining a bike. YouTube videos and helpful websites are great. I'm so 
>> thankful that they exist. But my brain craves a single, cohesively written 
>> text I can easily read through and turn to when I'm thinking about changing 
>> shifters, selecting different drivetrain parts, understanding geometry, 
>> taking apart bikes, wiring, and making adjustments. I really only see 
>> myself dealing with non-fixie commuters and touring bikes.
>>
>> I found a book online called *How to Build a Bike (in a Weekend)* by 
>> Alan Anderson with illustrations by Lee John Phillips. Has anyone used 
>> this? Does anyone have other suggestions?
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[RBW] Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[st nick]

I add my congratulations on trying something new and  out of your comfort zone, 
especially skills that can add to your love of cycling. I've thought since 
first reading of your Nevada bike adventures and mechanical challenges you 
should try learning to work on your bikes .
I guess it was around 2008 that I decided to stop paying for bike mechanic work 
and learn to do it myself.
I bought a half dozen bike repair books, appropriate bike tools to get me 
started and took a couple classes at my LBS.
I started out with basic stuff like installing a derailer or swapping cables 
and gradually added to my skills from there.
Sometimes I would get stuck and head up to my LBS to ask a question.
Also RH the bike guy rocks .
I still check his videos when trying something I haven't encountered before 
like blasted grip shifters, so many models and different cable threading in 
many.I don't like' em but some of my family and friends do so I occasionally 
work on them.

Eventually I bought the extra tools for removing and installing headsets and 
bottom brackets and learned about the tricky French bike idiosyncrasies.
I'm a slow mechanic and couldn't keep up the pace expected in a bike shop but 
can now strip down a vintage frame in 30 to 40 minutes.
It takes me about a day or day and a half to build it back up to a rideable 
bike depending on 'Murphy's Law' challenges the rebuild throws at me.
I like riding best but wrenching has become a bit of therapy for me.
It's very satisfying to have a bare frame/fork and parts everywhere that I 
build back to a whole bike with my own hands and then go out and enjoy riding 
it with a big  smile on my face.
In this chaotic world it's satisfying to take the chaos of a bare frame and 
fork and a myriad of scattered parts and bring it all to nicely functioning 
order.
All that said ...if someone gave me a modern carbon fiber wonder bike I would 
not know what to do with it. I would be concerned I would break something on 
the expensive thing.
The vintage bikes are tough and I don't worry about breaking stuff although I 
occasionally in the learning process have done that.I've learned not to 
'gorilla' stuff.
I would just encourage you to be patient with yourself and steadily add to your 
skills.
Buying a cheap vintage bike in need of love and repair is a good way to learn .
Get the appropriate tools , take it apart and then put it back together at your 
leisure.
You might even team up with your sons to learn together.
One thing about the bike community in general is a large number of us are 
willing to provide help if needed.
Good riding and wrenching,
Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[JAS]

Leah, way to go, RivSister!  Bravery counts; good job stepping out of your 
comfort zone and encouraging others to do the same by your example.  

Thanks to everyone who posted resources for learning more mechanic skills.  
Park Tools has been a good source; now I'm going to check out  RJ the bike 
guy.  I usually have to watch a "how to" video numerous times, then take 
the iPad to my bike and stop/start to make sure I'm going step-by-step 
correctly.   

I'm looking forward to the "Ask Leah" thread!  Great idea.  With your 
writing skills and wit, and perhaps help from your personal videographer 
(son),  it's going to be  entertainment we'll relish during these grey, 
cold days of winter.  

--Joyce (still laughing over a Charlie Berens video I watched on 
YouTube...midwest humor at its best)
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Learning is always good, but in my opinion the first lesson to learn in 
> any new area of knowledge is just how badly one underestimated the 
> magnitude of what they did not know.  The stages are:
>
> 1. I know nothing and I'd like to know something 
> 2. I'll devote [small amount of time] to learn something and then 
> hopefully in [X amount of time] I can be an expert
> 3. Takes class, watches video for duration of [small amount of time]
> 4. Hoo boy, now I know something: I know that I knew a lot less than I 
> thought I knew!  Maybe it'll take 10X, or 100X, but it'll take a while to 
> figure that out!  Let's go!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. 
>> The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
>> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
>> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
>> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
>> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
>> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
>> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
>> scheming.)
>>
>> I digress! 
>>
>> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
>> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
>> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
>> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>>
>> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
>> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
>> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
>> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
>> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
>> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
>> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
>> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
>> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
>> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
>> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
>> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>>
>> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
>> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
>> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
>> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
>> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
>> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>>
>> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home 
>> - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
>> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
>> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
>> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>>
>> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
>> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Bill Lindsay]

Learning is always good, but in my opinion the first lesson to learn in any 
new area of knowledge is just how badly one underestimated the magnitude of 
what they did not know.  The stages are:

1. I know nothing and I'd like to know something 
2. I'll devote [small amount of time] to learn something and then hopefully 
in [X amount of time] I can be an expert
3. Takes class, watches video for duration of [small amount of time]
4. Hoo boy, now I know something: I know that I knew a lot less than I 
thought I knew!  Maybe it'll take 10X, or 100X, but it'll take a while to 
figure that out!  Let's go!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. 
> The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
> scheming.)
>
> I digress! 
>
> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>
> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>
> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>
> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home - 
> don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>
> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Tom Goodmann]

Excellent post, Leah, and the thread it has inspired; kudos to your LBS and 
mechanic too. I can only do a few things at this point, but mean to change 
that by signing up for a class at the United Bicycle Institute in Oregon 
sometime in the next year, once I step off the work wheel here in May.  
Like many, I expect, I've always found even modest mechanical, plumbing, 
household, or electrical fixes satisfying, especially since I'm at a screen 
for so much of every day.

Tom in Miami

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 9:31:38 AM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Yes, RJ the Bike Guy is great.  Especially when he’s making his own tools, 
> like the homemade bottom bracket thread chaser, the homemade headset press… 
> it takes some of the mystery out of these processes.  
>
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yep, three cheers for not underestimating your abilities ! 
>
> In regards to wheel stuff, watch Jim Langley's video on wheel building, 
> it's an hour, and you can watch it in parts of course. He has a rather 
> calming way of showing you how he does it, and he's encouraging. Even if 
> you have no confidence or desire to touch a wheel, at least watch it to see 
> that it's not so mysterious. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8
> And in print from his website. 
> https://jimlangley.net/wrench/wheelbuildfull.html
>
> I have to say for an independent bike mechanic I always find "RJ The Bike 
> Guy" on YT to have good videos for how to adjust/overhaul anything bike 
> related. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[James Whorton]

Yes, RJ the Bike Guy is great.  Especially when he’s making his own tools, like the homemade bottom bracket thread chaser, the homemade headset press… it takes some of the mystery out of these processes.  On Feb 20, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Garth  wrote:Yep, three cheers for not underestimating your abilities ! In regards to wheel stuff, watch Jim Langley's video on wheel building, it's an hour, and you can watch it in parts of course. He has a rather calming way of showing you how he does it, and he's encouraging. Even if you have no confidence or desire to touch a wheel, at least watch it to see that it's not so mysterious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8And in print from his website. https://jimlangley.net/wrench/wheelbuildfull.htmlI have to say for an independent bike mechanic I always find "RJ The Bike Guy" on YT to have good videos for how to adjust/overhaul anything bike related. 



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[RBW] Re: The Riv goes "Spinal Tap"

[Ryan]

I remember you writing about that bike! Nice! I'm glad you still have it.I 
think it was the reason I ordered a 2nd Riv , a Riv road in 2000...and I 
almost went for red but switched to Harvest Gold

Off-topic...I can relate about working in IT and being on-call. Before I 
retired in 2018 from Canada Life as a software developer, I was on call 
either from 6am to 6pm or 24X7 for roughly one week per month and the 24X7 
shifts meant you were pretty much  tethered to the homestead...and of 
course, once the phone rings or pager goes off, you have to get on it. And 
just try going back to sleep after fixing a problem at 3am. Don't miss it, 
that's for sure

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 1:28:47 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

>
> Drew,
>
> This bike is utterly perfect! Great choice in gearing, too. 
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:03:56 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> "This goes to eleven!"
>> After having to get a new rear wheel for my 1999 Red Rivendell, which 
>> came with a spacer to use less than 11 speeds (I had a 9-speed cassette), I 
>> got to thinking, then I got to budgeting, then I got to buying and today, 
>> since I'm on call for work (I work in IT, and one week in 10 I have to be 
>> on call should some important network device have issues off hours, so I 
>> don't go on long bike rides on my on-call weekend), I decided to change my 
>> Riv from 3x9 to 2x11. It now "goes to eleven!" just like Nigel Tufnel's 
>> amps!
>>
>> I ordered the silver bar-end shifters and pods and hoped that everyone 
>> was correct in that these would shift 11 speeds with a traditional 9-speed 
>> rear derailleur. I have an Ultegra "long cage" from about 15 years ago (?) 
>> that has served me well, and still works fine. Spoiler alert: works fine!
>>
>> I had originally wanted to get the Rene Herse cranks, but they were 
>> perpetually out of stock, then Soma had their big holiday sale, so I got 
>> the New Albion 26-42-chainguard cranks and IRD BB for about 1/3 of the 
>> price of the Rene Herse.
>>
>> I found a Campagnolo Croce D'Aune front derailleur on Ebay from the UK 
>> which the previous owner had scrubbed so well it looked new. This FD is 
>> probably from 1990 or so.
>>
>> I added a SRAM chain and 11-28 cassette, and I also picked up new Ritchey 
>> pedals (my previous ones were quite worn out) and Newbaum's padded cotton 
>> bar tape.
>>
>> I don't have a garage, so have to drag my stand out of storage and use 
>> the micro back "yard" behind my apartment when I want to work on my bikes, 
>> so it's a good thing that it's a warm and sunny February day.
>>
>> Before:
>> [image: 1-Before.jpg]
>>
>> Here she is, nearly naked! 
>> [image: 4-Cleaned-up-wide.jpg]
>>
>> I bottomed out the barrel adjuster, backed out the low set screw, and got 
>> the RD to shift the whole range pretty easily! Here's the 42-28, which 
>> doesn't overly stress the chain, and makes no funky noises.
>> [image: 5-42-28-works!.jpg]
>>
>> Yes, the Riv stubby FD would probably work better, than the Campy, but 
>> how pretty is this?
>> [image: 6-Campy-and-New-Albion.jpg]
>>
>> Let's just say my bar wrapping and twine finishing look good for "20/20" 
>> vision: If you're 20 or more feet away and/or I'm going 20 or more mph! 
>> (Oh, the padded Newbaum's need at least 10' of twine per side, so the teal 
>> twine I ordered didn't work, but my wife will happily use it). I chose this 
>> blue as it's closest to the blue for Colon Cancer awareness, plus I was 
>> getting bored of black tape. When this bar tape starts getting gaps, I 
>> think I'll get the padded cloth tape again, as it does seem very 
>> comfortable. I can do a lot of work on my bike well enough, I just can't 
>> wrap bars to save my life, and, yes I watched the Riv YouTube video 3 times 
>> before starting!
>> [image: 7-All-Done.jpg]
>>
>> I took it around the neighborhood and the shifting is really smooth, and 
>> absolutely silent! I'm sure it'll get noisy in time, but I didn't miss a 
>> shift once. There's a tiny steep hill that I tested the 42x28 and 26x28 
>> (spinning away like an eggbeater, it's not that steep) and can confirm that 
>> the gearing works as I like.
>>
>> I'm going to keep the Suntour triple FD, Sugino crank, and 9-speed 
>> bar-ends for a future bike build, as those are getting hard to find.
>>
>> Now for some bike nerdery, and if you're not interested in gear charts 
>> and so forth, just look at the pretty pictures!
>> I used to have 24-36-46, 11-23 9-speed (I like small hops), and tested 
>> out how much I would miss the large gear by only using the 46x12 instead of 
>> the 11 for the past 6 months or so. I didn't really miss it, so I knew a 
>> 42x11 would be fine (essentially the same gear as a 46x12). I also wanted 
>> to not shift my FD much, only when going up the steep hills, so I wanted a 
>> "one-by" most of the time, except when I head up the Santa Cruz mountains. 
>> I'm fine with only using 8 out of 11 cogs with the 26. The