Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Matthew Williams]

A. HOMER HILSEN (Toyo)
61cm
2400
Carlsbad, CA
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-fs-61-cm-toyo-built-rivendell/7601518125.html

==

APPALOOSA
56cm
2000
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html

==

ATLANTIS 2
59cm
2600
Tacoma, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html

==

CHEVIOT
Large
2500
Chicago, IL
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bik/d/clarendon-hills-rivendell-cheviot/7606457742.html

==

CLEMS!

Clem Smith H
52cm
950
Columbus, OH
https://columbus.craigslist.org/bik/d/columbus-52cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7613412364.html

Clem Smith L
52cm
800
Brooklyn, NY
https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-52-cm/7617524349.html

Clem Smith L
59cm
2250
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7604574423.html

==

GUS BOOTS WILLSEN
54cm
4500
Sheepshead Bay, NY
https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-bicycle-works-gus/7613498712.html

==

LEGOLAS
59cm
3400
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html

==

PLATYPUS
55cm
2400
Ft. Collins, CO
https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/bik/d/fort-collins-2021-rivendell-platypus/7616336674.html

==

ROADINI
61cm
2300
Asheville, NC
https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/asheville-rivendell-roadini-61cm/7608896147.html

61cm (orange!)
2200
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html

==

SALUKI
62cm
1550
Hercules, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hercules-rivendell-saluki-650b-62cm/7615055602.html

==

SAM HILLBORNE
48cm
2500
Willow Glen, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-48cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7613752659.html

53cm
1700
Atlanta, GA
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/gainesville-rivendell-hillborne/7614929897.html

58cm
2500
St. Paul, MN
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/bik/d/saint-paul-rivendell-sam-hillborne-58-cm/7615930086.html

62cm
2000
Northampton, MA
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/northampton-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7600621142.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: My bike is lighter than any of yours Hah !!!

[Steve]

Well there you go - the Woom 2  hanging in my garage is pink. Like they say 
 "A real cyclist should never have fewer than two bikes" . Kind of the 
corollary of the seven bike rule. 

Both Wooms are my 3 year old granddaughter's. My daughter currently has 
three bikes in her garage.  Makes me proud.

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Cute. In retrospect (20 years' retrospect) I should have bought my 
> daughter one of these instead of  starting with expensive pneumatic-tired 
> at age 2 tricycle and moving through series of small bikes with training 
> wheels. 
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:07 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> [image: E8B8F643-4ED9-4F71-9AA0-1402D09A5667.jpeg]
>>
>> Ha! Nice. My daughter has the same one in green. Although the new #2 in 
>> purple is waiting in the garage for this weekend!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Woom.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: My bike is lighter than any of yours Hah !!!

[Steve]

Well there you go - the Woom 2  hanging in my garage is pink. Like they say 
 "A real cyclist should never have fewer than two bikes" . Kind of the 
corollary of the seven bike rule. 

Both Rooms are my 3 years old granddaughter's. My daughter currently has 
three bikes in her garage.  Makes me proud.
On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Cute. In retrospect (20 years' retrospect) I should have bought my 
> daughter one of these instead of  starting with expensive pneumatic-tired 
> at age 2 tricycle and moving through series of small bikes with training 
> wheels. 
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:07 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> [image: E8B8F643-4ED9-4F71-9AA0-1402D09A5667.jpeg]
>>
>> Ha! Nice. My daughter has the same one in green. Although the new #2 in 
>> purple is waiting in the garage for this weekend!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Woom.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] LF/WTB 26.6 Single Bolt Seatpost

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Folks, 
Cross-post on ibob list.  

Looking for a 26.6 seat post for a Bridgestone 200 mixte build. Does not 
need to be show quality, functional one bolt design. All aluminum desirable.
Thanks
Mike SLO CA 

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[RBW] WTB: Fairweather Ongr bag

[James M]

Probably unlikely, but can't hurt to ask.  Looking for one of these 
- https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-ongr-bag.html

James

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[RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Ha! I'd forgotten about that. Gino has been been the temporary steward of a 
lot of very interesting bikes over the years... 

J


On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:42:15 PM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>
> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

The "2" was on the first Atlantii, to acknowledge that the name had been 
used in the past by Bridgestone 

I have the old Atlantis page yonder - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html

There are a few scans of the pertinent flyers.

J
On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:47:45 AM UTC-7 MisterMo wrote:

> Is there a place to go to get Atlantis history and updates over the years? 
> ie, was there a Waterford Atlantis? Atlantis to Atlantis2 was? Did Toyo 
> produce Atlanti with both the roundy lugs and the pointy lugs?  How does 
> one tell the difference between Toyo, MIT and Wford? etc, etc. Thanks for 
> pointing me to a place with this info (or providing it here).  
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
>> which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
>> knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
>> trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to neck 
>> injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
>> my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
>> with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 
>>
>> My summarization would be: 
>>
>> For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
>> similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
>> clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 
>>
>> For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
>> their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
>> bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
>> characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
>> "they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
>> good about 80s mountain bikes and improved it. Longer wheelbases and top 
>> tubes. Better steering geometry. Higher head tubes. More clearance for 
>> larger tires. Lots of braze on options for racks and bags. etc. 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 61cm Toyo-built Atlantis. I had not ridden the bike for about 3 
>>> years due to some unexpected life change circumstances and then a 
>>> repaint/rebuild. I also have a latest-generation 57cm Appaloosa that I have 
>>> owned and ridden during those 3 years for recreation, errands, and 
>>> commuting. The current generation MIT Atlantis is very similar to 
>>> Appaloosa.   I recently got the Atlantis back from a repaint, and it has 
>>> been fun to compare the two bikes. 
>>>
>>> Atlantis
>>> I have ridden this bike for recreation, commuting, and have done several 
>>> loaded tours on it. I like it a lot, I *don't LOVE* it. At least not 
>>> for recreational riding. I tend to grab something else when it's time to go 
>>> play.  (I also own Rivendell: Custom - All Rounder, Custom - Road, Frank 
>>> Jones, HubbuHubbuH, Platypus) Tire widths have ranged 35-48mm. It seems to 
>>> handle a lot better with the wider tires, particularly when descending 
>>> hills on gravel. It *IS *my go to bike for loaded touring and when I 
>>> travel. (This is a weird combination of opposing purposes that I am 
>>> constantly struggling with.) I prefer the position of drop bars and 
>>> appreciate multiple hand options for multi-day rides and long hours in the 
>>> saddle. The more "aerodynamic" position is something MUCH appreciated for 
>>> those eventual day-long headwinds. The bike does have toe overlap with the 
>>> fenders, but this has never been a big deal for me. For the most part, I 
>>> would have a hard time telling you which of my bikes did/didn't.
>>> [image: Atlantis Full.png]
>>>
>>> Appaloosa
>>> I bought the Appaloosa as the keep-handy grab-n-go bike. My confidence 
>>> in upright handlebars was bolstered by the experience of riding and touring 
>>> on the HubbuHubbuH. I like the Bosco bars way more than I expected I ever 
>>> would.  I keep the Appaloosa parked in front of the car making it an easy 
>>> choice for errands and commuting. Unexpectedly, I have found myself riding 
>>> the Appaloosa for recreation too.  The bike rides much "lighter" and 
>>> "faster" than I expected it would.  If I hadn't just got the Atlantis ready 
>>> for summer touring, I would like to try taking the Appaloosa on a 
>>> fully-loaded tour. I think the more casual ride mood that it inspires might 
>>> encourage me to cut back on ambitious daily mileage goals when touring.
>>> [image: Appaloosa.png]
>>>
>>> Summary 
>>> Both bikes provide a lot of enjoyment. If forced to choose between the 
>>> Atlantis or Appaloosa, I would select the Appaloosa. 
>>> What's next or what would I do differently?  I have thought about buying 
>>> another Appaloosa from the next batch and building it up for loaded touring 
>>> so I could reconfigure the 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

[Mary Franzek]

I like the Mermaid on my Platypus, it is a calm color and riding that bike 
is a calming experience.
Mary F
Buffalo, NY

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:13:29 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Saw my first Platypus in the wild this week . . . Mermaid paint. Even from 
> a 50 or so yard distance you can tell it's a Rivendell when you see it. The 
> Riv color palette certainly plays a part in that. My impression of the 
> color is it's a takeoff on the Atlantis green. Keeping with the water 
> theme, there you go. Gorgeous bike by the way. VO hammered fenders for 
> added sparkle.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 4:39:48 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell have 
>> been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through several 
>> production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice, I've missed 
>> it. 
>>
>> I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint 
>> appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps 
>> there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in new 
>> colors with new batches of frames? 
>>
>> What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors appearing 
>> on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of colors? Does 
>> it matter at all? 
>>
>> Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There isn't 
>> one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it appears on a 
>> new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems. 
>>
>> The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on the 
>> Homers because they've always been a blue bike. 
>>
>> I do miss the mustard from the older Appaloosas and the dark bronze that 
>> appeared on some Clems. These two colors paired with some of the newer 
>> colors currently in use demonstrate, I think, that Riv has some of the best 
>> paint colors in the biz. Really lovely stuff. 
>>
>> Here's a far-from-complete list more or less off the top of my head of 
>> where current production colors have appeared:
>>
>> *Lime-olive*
>> Platypus
>> Susie
>> Hillborne
>> Clem
>>
>> *Mermaid*
>> Appaloosa 
>> Platypus
>> Roadini
>> Gus
>>
>> *Harvest/Dark Gold*
>> Hillborne
>> Homer
>> Susie 
>>
>> *Ana Purple*
>> Rosco Plat
>> Appaloosa (next batch in 2023?)
>> Road Uno or Gallop? (I can't remember but thought the purple was slated 
>> for one of these frames) 
>>
>> *RBW Orange*
>> Appaloosa
>> Roadini
>> Gus
>>
>> *RBW Blue*
>> Too many to list?
>> Appaloosa
>> Clem
>> Hillborne
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[MisterMo]

Is there a place to go to get Atlantis history and updates over the years? 
ie, was there a Waterford Atlantis? Atlantis to Atlantis2 was? Did Toyo 
produce Atlanti with both the roundy lugs and the pointy lugs?  How does 
one tell the difference between Toyo, MIT and Wford? etc, etc. Thanks for 
pointing me to a place with this info (or providing it here).  

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
> which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
> knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
> trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to neck 
> injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
> my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
> with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 
>
> My summarization would be: 
>
> For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
> similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
> clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 
>
> For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
> their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
> bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
> characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
> "they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
> good about 80s mountain bikes and improved it. Longer wheelbases and top 
> tubes. Better steering geometry. Higher head tubes. More clearance for 
> larger tires. Lots of braze on options for racks and bags. etc. 
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
>> I have a 61cm Toyo-built Atlantis. I had not ridden the bike for about 3 
>> years due to some unexpected life change circumstances and then a 
>> repaint/rebuild. I also have a latest-generation 57cm Appaloosa that I have 
>> owned and ridden during those 3 years for recreation, errands, and 
>> commuting. The current generation MIT Atlantis is very similar to 
>> Appaloosa.   I recently got the Atlantis back from a repaint, and it has 
>> been fun to compare the two bikes. 
>>
>> Atlantis
>> I have ridden this bike for recreation, commuting, and have done several 
>> loaded tours on it. I like it a lot, I *don't LOVE* it. At least not for 
>> recreational riding. I tend to grab something else when it's time to go 
>> play.  (I also own Rivendell: Custom - All Rounder, Custom - Road, Frank 
>> Jones, HubbuHubbuH, Platypus) Tire widths have ranged 35-48mm. It seems to 
>> handle a lot better with the wider tires, particularly when descending 
>> hills on gravel. It *IS *my go to bike for loaded touring and when I 
>> travel. (This is a weird combination of opposing purposes that I am 
>> constantly struggling with.) I prefer the position of drop bars and 
>> appreciate multiple hand options for multi-day rides and long hours in the 
>> saddle. The more "aerodynamic" position is something MUCH appreciated for 
>> those eventual day-long headwinds. The bike does have toe overlap with the 
>> fenders, but this has never been a big deal for me. For the most part, I 
>> would have a hard time telling you which of my bikes did/didn't.
>> [image: Atlantis Full.png]
>>
>> Appaloosa
>> I bought the Appaloosa as the keep-handy grab-n-go bike. My confidence in 
>> upright handlebars was bolstered by the experience of riding and touring on 
>> the HubbuHubbuH. I like the Bosco bars way more than I expected I ever 
>> would.  I keep the Appaloosa parked in front of the car making it an easy 
>> choice for errands and commuting. Unexpectedly, I have found myself riding 
>> the Appaloosa for recreation too.  The bike rides much "lighter" and 
>> "faster" than I expected it would.  If I hadn't just got the Atlantis ready 
>> for summer touring, I would like to try taking the Appaloosa on a 
>> fully-loaded tour. I think the more casual ride mood that it inspires might 
>> encourage me to cut back on ambitious daily mileage goals when touring.
>> [image: Appaloosa.png]
>>
>> Summary 
>> Both bikes provide a lot of enjoyment. If forced to choose between the 
>> Atlantis or Appaloosa, I would select the Appaloosa. 
>> What's next or what would I do differently?  I have thought about buying 
>> another Appaloosa from the next batch and building it up for loaded touring 
>> so I could reconfigure the Atlantis for easier travel.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[MisterMo]

Was there ever a Waterford Atlantis?  How can one tell the difference 
between a Toyo Atlantis and any others?  ie, is the 'pointy' lugged 
Atlantis Toyo built?  

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
> which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
> knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
> trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to neck 
> injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
> my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
> with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 
>
> My summarization would be: 
>
> For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
> similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
> clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 
>
> For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
> their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
> bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
> characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
> "they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
> good about 80s mountain bikes and improved it. Longer wheelbases and top 
> tubes. Better steering geometry. Higher head tubes. More clearance for 
> larger tires. Lots of braze on options for racks and bags. etc. 
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
>> I have a 61cm Toyo-built Atlantis. I had not ridden the bike for about 3 
>> years due to some unexpected life change circumstances and then a 
>> repaint/rebuild. I also have a latest-generation 57cm Appaloosa that I have 
>> owned and ridden during those 3 years for recreation, errands, and 
>> commuting. The current generation MIT Atlantis is very similar to 
>> Appaloosa.   I recently got the Atlantis back from a repaint, and it has 
>> been fun to compare the two bikes. 
>>
>> Atlantis
>> I have ridden this bike for recreation, commuting, and have done several 
>> loaded tours on it. I like it a lot, I *don't LOVE* it. At least not for 
>> recreational riding. I tend to grab something else when it's time to go 
>> play.  (I also own Rivendell: Custom - All Rounder, Custom - Road, Frank 
>> Jones, HubbuHubbuH, Platypus) Tire widths have ranged 35-48mm. It seems to 
>> handle a lot better with the wider tires, particularly when descending 
>> hills on gravel. It *IS *my go to bike for loaded touring and when I 
>> travel. (This is a weird combination of opposing purposes that I am 
>> constantly struggling with.) I prefer the position of drop bars and 
>> appreciate multiple hand options for multi-day rides and long hours in the 
>> saddle. The more "aerodynamic" position is something MUCH appreciated for 
>> those eventual day-long headwinds. The bike does have toe overlap with the 
>> fenders, but this has never been a big deal for me. For the most part, I 
>> would have a hard time telling you which of my bikes did/didn't.
>> [image: Atlantis Full.png]
>>
>> Appaloosa
>> I bought the Appaloosa as the keep-handy grab-n-go bike. My confidence in 
>> upright handlebars was bolstered by the experience of riding and touring on 
>> the HubbuHubbuH. I like the Bosco bars way more than I expected I ever 
>> would.  I keep the Appaloosa parked in front of the car making it an easy 
>> choice for errands and commuting. Unexpectedly, I have found myself riding 
>> the Appaloosa for recreation too.  The bike rides much "lighter" and 
>> "faster" than I expected it would.  If I hadn't just got the Atlantis ready 
>> for summer touring, I would like to try taking the Appaloosa on a 
>> fully-loaded tour. I think the more casual ride mood that it inspires might 
>> encourage me to cut back on ambitious daily mileage goals when touring.
>> [image: Appaloosa.png]
>>
>> Summary 
>> Both bikes provide a lot of enjoyment. If forced to choose between the 
>> Atlantis or Appaloosa, I would select the Appaloosa. 
>> What's next or what would I do differently?  I have thought about buying 
>> another Appaloosa from the next batch and building it up for loaded touring 
>> so I could reconfigure the Atlantis for easier travel.
>>
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[RBW] FS / WTT - Nitto R10 for Nitto Campee R20

[Chris Copeland]

Hi all, I've got a Nitto R10 bag support that has some signs of use. Really 
enjoyed using this as a large saddle bag support/rest. However, I want to 
be able to run a pannier on the Bassi Hog's Back this is mounted on. If 
you're interested in the R10, great! Here's the link so you can see a 
photo. 
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/seattle-nitto-r10/7615851017.html

If you're interested in a trade, lets talk! thanks, hope something can work 
out

-Chris
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Double 1x

[Brendan Aanes]

Some recent playing with a Rival 1 rear derailleur leads me to theorize 
that, clutch aside, the way it's different from a traditional RD designed 
for a double or triple is that it is built for a large cog, so the pulleys 
are lower, but has a shorter cage than a double would, so it can't wrap as 
much chain.

For example the Rival 1 "long cage" looks like it has about the same cage 
length as a "medium cage" Rival double derailleur, because it's taking up a 
similar amount of chain as a double with an 11-32 cassette would. That 
whole cage assembly sits lower to the ground to accommodate an 11-42 
cassette.

Good to know it's working well for you with a double!

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 3:11:42 PM UTC+2 DavidP wrote:

> You can also do double 1x with two chainrings and skip the front 
> derailleur and shifter - manually shift the front when desired (usually 
> while stopped but down shifts can be done while riding easily enough using 
> your foot to nudge the chain).
>
> -Dave
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:46:46 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was just writing elsewhere that (so far) my 2 x 7 drivetrain I 
>> installed on my Gus is like having two 1x7 drivetrain’s. That’s the magic 
>> of the Silver wide/low crank with 38/24 rings. On road/gravel rides I’ve 
>> yet to use the 24 & I’ve not spun out in the top end. On local quite hilly 
>> singletrack I just put it on the 24 & leave it there.:)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2023, at 1:04 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I had a nice 1x and wanted slightly lower gears for some crazy hills 
>> around here, but didn't want to lose the already relatively low top end so 
>> mashed some parts together and this is the result. 
>>
>>
>> Starting point: SRAM Rival 1 (with clutch) rear derailer, I believe the 
>> largest cog this is supposed to handle is 42t. I added a Garbaruk cage and 
>> pulleys and it shifts a SunRace 11-50 11-spd cassette with a SRAM Apex 
>> trigger shifter. The front is a Sugino XD crank with 34t chainring. 
>>
>> Ok what happens if I want double rings? The manufacturer stuff says I 
>> can't use a 1x derailer (I don't know why) so I thought I would cheat a 
>> little and make it kind of two 1x's by adding a 30t inner ring, Shimano 
>> Deore (DynaSys 10-spd double) FD and a Silver2 thumbshifter on the stem. It 
>> works! 
>>
>> Ok it doesn't work completely fabulously yet, the downshift to the small 
>> ring doesn't always take and I still have some fiddling to do but overall 
>> the bike works well for me using all of the gears in the 30t plus grabbing 
>> the top 2 or 3 in the 34t on occasion, and sometimes just staying in the 
>> 34t like before. It's not a massive increase in gear range, I think of it 
>> as an expanded 1x. 
>>
>> Does it make sense? I don't know, maybe this can be duplicated by ye old 
>> triple drivetrains with 11-36 cassettes but I don't like triples. I like 
>> this! 
>>
>> Joe "tried to ditch front derailers, ended up with a front derailer 
>> again" Bernard
>>
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] LF Sackville Shopsack Med

[Carla Waugh]

I would love to have a bright blue color 5 maybe silver. I would trade my 
XS Sackville SaddleSack in dark blue.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[RichS]

Pam, I'm with you on how you handle route mapping. Even though I have RWGPS 
I'm more comfortable with a cue sheet in front of me. The visibility aspect 
is important to me as well; thanks for including an image of your display. 
I would like to join your zoom call on May 18. Thank you for offering that!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 11:51:31 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I use Ride With GPS, then write the route down on an index card w/ a 
> fountain pen (Broad nib[image: routecard.jpg] for better visibility).  
> Put in a baggie if any rain is forecasted.  At night I have a small light 
> on the stem to use as a map light.
>
> I'll be doing a route planning workshop if anyone wants to join in on 
> Zoom.  May 18 at 6.  Let me know if anyone wants the link.  
>
> I plan routes just as you're describing everyday.  I probably have about 
> 500 routes in Charlotte and a few where I've traveled.  
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 2:41:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jeffrey; noted.
>>
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:13 PM Jeffrey Arita  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> One caveat: if you want the verbal (voice) turn-by-turn feature that 
>>> ridewithgps offers (for routes), then you will need to pay for either a 
>>> Basic or Premium subscription.  The free version does not offer this 
>>> specific feature:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://support.ridewithgps.com/hc/en-us/articles/4419572706971-Turn-by-Turn-Navigation
>>>
>>> Ask me how I know ;)
>>>
>>> We finally upgraded to the Premium subscription, primarily because that 
>>> level enables one to 'archive' routes (we have many, many routes and they 
>>> grow as time moves forward).  Archiving routes enables one to 'activate' 
>>> only those routes one wants to (perhaps) synchronize to their desired gps 
>>> standalone device (without having to scroll through dozens and dozens of 
>>> irrelevent routes).  
>>>
>>> Just wanted to offer a different perspective.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:52:39 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Many thanks all; the unanimous and very quick agreement on Ridewithgps 
 speaks well of it and I'lll check it out.

 On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:56 AM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we 
> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on 
> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there 
> are 
> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; 
> or 
> I hope one does.
>
> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard 
> and resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps 
> there is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route 
> that 
> can get me there.
>
> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time 
> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially 
> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and 
> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a 
> verbal instruction sheet.
>
> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>
> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out 
> such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app 
> will 
> walk you through the turns and distances?
>
> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>
> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to 
> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what 
> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) 
> the routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google 
> or 
> Apple systems.
>
> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very 
> funny Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

[RichS]

Saw my first Platypus in the wild this week . . . Mermaid paint. Even from 
a 50 or so yard distance you can tell it's a Rivendell when you see it. The 
Riv color palette certainly plays a part in that. My impression of the 
color is it's a takeoff on the Atlantis green. Keeping with the water 
theme, there you go. Gorgeous bike by the way. VO hammered fenders for 
added sparkle.

Best,
Rich in ATL


On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 4:39:48 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell have 
> been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through several 
> production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice, I've missed 
> it. 
>
> I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint 
> appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps 
> there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in new 
> colors with new batches of frames? 
>
> What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors appearing 
> on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of colors? Does 
> it matter at all? 
>
> Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There isn't 
> one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it appears on a 
> new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems. 
>
> The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on the 
> Homers because they've always been a blue bike. 
>
> I do miss the mustard from the older Appaloosas and the dark bronze that 
> appeared on some Clems. These two colors paired with some of the newer 
> colors currently in use demonstrate, I think, that Riv has some of the best 
> paint colors in the biz. Really lovely stuff. 
>
> Here's a far-from-complete list more or less off the top of my head of 
> where current production colors have appeared:
>
> *Lime-olive*
> Platypus
> Susie
> Hillborne
> Clem
>
> *Mermaid*
> Appaloosa 
> Platypus
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *Harvest/Dark Gold*
> Hillborne
> Homer
> Susie 
>
> *Ana Purple*
> Rosco Plat
> Appaloosa (next batch in 2023?)
> Road Uno or Gallop? (I can't remember but thought the purple was slated 
> for one of these frames) 
>
> *RBW Orange*
> Appaloosa
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *RBW Blue*
> Too many to list?
> Appaloosa
> Clem
> Hillborne
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

[Steven Sweedler]

Care to share a picture of  your Mountain/ExpeditionSteve

On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 10:13 PM J G  wrote:

> Nice looking Rivendell Standard road bike!
>
> Looks like exact same paint options as my recently acquired
> Mountain/Expedition.
>
> I think the specific color was Burnt Orange, for at least 1997 era.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-5 fyavorsky wrote:
>
>> Butterscotch!
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:13 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> Two favorites, yes the original Ram orange. And, the original slightly
>>> metallic deep blue on the Legolas. Stunning.
>>> Mike "sparkly white blue accent Roadeo" SLO CA
>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 Eric,
 I seem to recall being attracted to the "Butterscotch" Saluki (?) way
 back when. Though I'm not sure I ever saw one in the wild. I do like the
 metallics being used now, at least what I see online. Like the new light
 metallic yellow on the Homer (or Sam's?). Hard to keep up.
 I must say though, when it came time to purchase a new Sam for a
 dedicated touring bike back in 2015 or so, i opted for Black & Cream like
 yours. I knew how a touring bike could take a beating. And despite being a
 fine artist who has a huge stash of model car paints to mix almost exact
 colors, given enough time, I have never been stumped worse than trying to
 touch up my first early model  metallic orange Sam. I think it was a
 two-stage paint (transparent orange over metallic gold?). That proved
 impossible for me to match to my liking.
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

 On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 4:39:48 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell
> have been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through
> several production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice,
> I've missed it.
>
> I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint
> appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps
> there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in new
> colors with new batches of frames?
>
> What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors
> appearing on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of
> colors? Does it matter at all?
>
> Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There
> isn't one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it 
> appears
> on a new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems.
>
> The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on
> the Homers because they've always been a blue bike.
>
> I do miss the mustard from the older Appaloosas and the dark bronze
> that appeared on some Clems. These two colors paired with some of the 
> newer
> colors currently in use demonstrate, I think, that Riv has some of the 
> best
> paint colors in the biz. Really lovely stuff.
>
> Here's a far-from-complete list more or less off the top of my head of
> where current production colors have appeared:
>
> *Lime-olive*
> Platypus
> Susie
> Hillborne
> Clem
>
> *Mermaid*
> Appaloosa
> Platypus
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *Harvest/Dark Gold*
> Hillborne
> Homer
> Susie
>
> *Ana Purple*
> Rosco Plat
> Appaloosa (next batch in 2023?)
> Road Uno or Gallop? (I can't remember but thought the purple was
> slated for one of these frames)
>
> *RBW Orange*
> Appaloosa
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *RBW Blue*
> Too many to list?
> Appaloosa
> Clem
> Hillborne
>
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