[RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Ryan]

Your local shops sound like non-starters, if the one isn't confident and 
the other is bad juju. Freighting the bike coast-to-coast and back  to Riv  
+ their labor   sounds like it's not a deal-breaker. Sounds like the west 
coast is the mecca for framebuilders. I have no idea about the east coast 
or mid-US. I wonder if you could get a second opinion from Mark 
Nobilette...although I would not be surprised if he is retired or 
contemplating retirement. 

 I've bought 3 bikes from Riv2 customs and many parts and while the 
wait time may be long, I would totally trust them to move heaven and earth 
to get your bike right. If it means that much to you I would put myself in 
their hands. You have that established  relationship with them. 

My .002CAD...good luck. I'm sure you'll resolve this one way or another

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:21:49 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> And sheep in your poster , if I recall correctly. Very bucolic
>
> I feel you  about the freight. Are there no reputable builders closer to 
> you who could do the repair? In a neighbouring state perhaps?
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:03:10 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ryan. Yes, I think the cost for the repair would be reasonable. I 
>> worry the cost to freight the frame would be a little painful and the time 
>> without the bike could be considerable depending on how it shakes out. 
>>
>> The poster is the MTB countryside illustration, same illustrator who did 
>> yours. "Get away fast on a Bridgestone" or something like that. Hills, dirt 
>> road, country church. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes! That is too bad but I'm glad you weren't hurt. I know you are 
>>> very ingenious, but maybe the frame needs to be sent to Riv for repair? Who 
>>> will no doubt do the repair at a reasonable cost
>>>
>>> Which poster? I have the "saddle up on a bridgestone"...my favorite of 
>>> the Grant-inspired ones...the one with the rider on a roadbike alongside a 
>>> galloping horse. Can't remember if I bought it from Rivendell or from a 
>>> friend of mine who built many of my wheels and at one time was a 
>>> bridgestone dealer and sold me my 1993 X0-1 that I still have
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:55:39 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>
 That does not look good. Maybe once you get it into a stand and 
 carefully remove the derailleur and gently realign the hanger you will be 
 fine. The rear der pully cage can probably be bent back into shape. Issue 
 is probably trusting it. Hope things work out. Glad you were not hurt. 

 Thanks,

 Reginald Alexis

 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:02 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. 
> I rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with 
> fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! 
>
> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 
> 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank 
> while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a 
> go 
> as a single speed. 
>
> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that 
> time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the 
> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-07-23 at 3.05.28 PM.png]
>
> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can 
> be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame 
> builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
> (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
> previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I 
> picked 
> up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>
> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they 
> could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied 
> "I 
> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>
> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 
>
> Eric
>


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[RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Ryan]

And sheep in your poster , if I recall correctly. Very bucolic

I feel you  about the freight. Are there no reputable builders closer to 
you who could do the repair? In a neighbouring state perhaps?

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:03:10 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan. Yes, I think the cost for the repair would be reasonable. I 
> worry the cost to freight the frame would be a little painful and the time 
> without the bike could be considerable depending on how it shakes out. 
>
> The poster is the MTB countryside illustration, same illustrator who did 
> yours. "Get away fast on a Bridgestone" or something like that. Hills, dirt 
> road, country church. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Yikes! That is too bad but I'm glad you weren't hurt. I know you are very 
>> ingenious, but maybe the frame needs to be sent to Riv for repair? Who will 
>> no doubt do the repair at a reasonable cost
>>
>> Which poster? I have the "saddle up on a bridgestone"...my favorite of 
>> the Grant-inspired ones...the one with the rider on a roadbike alongside a 
>> galloping horse. Can't remember if I bought it from Rivendell or from a 
>> friend of mine who built many of my wheels and at one time was a 
>> bridgestone dealer and sold me my 1993 X0-1 that I still have
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:55:39 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> That does not look good. Maybe once you get it into a stand and 
>>> carefully remove the derailleur and gently realign the hanger you will be 
>>> fine. The rear der pully cage can probably be bent back into shape. Issue 
>>> is probably trusting it. Hope things work out. Glad you were not hurt. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:02 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I 
 rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with 
 fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! 

 When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 
 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank 
 while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a 
 go 
 as a single speed. 

 I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that 
 time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the 
 spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!

 [image: Screenshot 2023-07-23 at 3.05.28 PM.png]

 This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can 
 be bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame 
 builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them 
 (including this one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my 
 previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked 
 up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 

 While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could 
 help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I 
 need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"

 Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 

 Eric

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Okay, some mild updates. 

I've bent and tweaked the hanger with crescent wrenches at least two dozen 
times now. Worked on it during the miserable heat wave here and during 
nicer weather yesterday. During the process I remove the chain and the 
derailer, tweak the hanger, re-install the chain and derailer, test ride. 
Repeat. Over and over! Every time I ride the bike the chain skips. 

I've tried aligning by hand and eye. I've used a series of straight edges, 
trying to reference off the cassette to the face of the derailer hanger 
where the derailer sits. I can get the straight edges into plane with one 
another but evidently that's not enough because the chain still jumps. 

I feel like I can finesse this thing back into working order but I have so 
far been unsuccessful. The hanger is relatively flat considering how 
mangled it got. It's considerably better than it was. The bolt hole is 
elongated but fortunately derailer bolts screw in nicely and the threads 
feel good. Through all my uninstalling/reinstalling the bolts thread in 
nicely each time. 

One problem is that the guys at the LBS have put their dropout and hanger 
alignment tools on the bike and they say the tools show things are aligned. 
*But* they are also audibly and visibly weary of putting too much torque on 
the hanger and seem to think it's going to shear off the frame if they look 
at it funny. I don't think that's going to happen. I talked to Grant about 
this twice now and he doesn't think that's going to happen, either. He 
shared an acedote wherein he bent a derailer hanger through 180º of motion 
several times before the hanger sheared off. I'm not moving mine nearly as 
much, just a bit at a time. And today I heard Grant Petersen say "Steel is 
magical." So I'm adding that to my lifetime book of memorable quotes by 
notable people. 

There's another shop in town but I get bad vibes every time I go in there 
so I'm going to spare myself and stay away. I know if I go in there it'll 
end up being a bad scene and I'll regret it. 

I'm open to having a builder try to align the hanger, heat it up and shape 
it or braze a new dropout onto the frame. But the builder I know and have 
worked with before on three other bikes (this Hillborne included) has sold 
his tools and retired. Two other nearby builders haven't returned my 
messages. 

Now I'm thinking the best next step is to drop > $100 on a derailer hanger 
alignment tool and try it myself in the home shop. Looking at the Park Tool 
DAG 2.2. This eliminates the hesitancy of other mechanics (I'm not afraid 
to wreck the bike) and gives me a useful tool to have forever. 

Full options going forward (as I see them, open to suggestions as always): 

   - Buy a gauge and adjust it myself until I'm satisfied or I give up and 
   advance to next option
   - Take it to a shop
  - Go-to shop seems afraid to break my hanger, I don't think that's 
  going to happen but they are audibly and visibly weary. 
  - Other shop in town I avoid at all costs and don't want to take my 
  bikes to them
   - Get a new dropout welded onto the bike
  - I wouldn't mind doing this but I can't find a builder in my area
  - Contacted three people. One retired, the other two haven't 
  responded. 
   - Send it to Rivendell
  - Grant thinks Mark or Antonio can fix the hanger. Cool!
  - Grant said to send the bike stripped down, no fork. How are they 
  going to align and test it to see if the chain jumps? 
  - I don't relly want to freight the bike coast-to-coast twice. 
  Not a dealbreaker, tho. 
  - Grant said if Mark or Antonio can't get it he knows a builder who 
  can do the repair but it could be three months before I get the bike back.
  - This leads me back to...
   - Buy a gauge and adjust it myself 

If you've made it this far, wow, you are invested in this repair! Thanks 
for checking in. I'll post more updates as they develop. 

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:03:10 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan. Yes, I think the cost for the repair would be reasonable. I 
> worry the cost to freight the frame would be a little painful and the time 
> without the bike could be considerable depending on how it shakes out. 
>
> The poster is the MTB countryside illustration, same illustrator who did 
> yours. "Get away fast on a Bridgestone" or something like that. Hills, dirt 
> road, country church. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Yikes! That is too bad but I'm glad you weren't hurt. I know you are very 
>> ingenious, but maybe the frame needs to be sent to Riv for repair? Who will 
>> no doubt do the repair at a reasonable cost
>>
>> Which poster? I have the "saddle up on a bridgestone"...my favorite of 
>> the Grant-inspired ones...the one with the rider on a roadbike alongside a 
>> galloping horse. Can't remember if I bought it from Rivendell or from a 
>> friend of mine who built many of my 

[RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Ryan. Yes, I think the cost for the repair would be reasonable. I 
worry the cost to freight the frame would be a little painful and the time 
without the bike could be considerable depending on how it shakes out. 

The poster is the MTB countryside illustration, same illustrator who did 
yours. "Get away fast on a Bridgestone" or something like that. Hills, dirt 
road, country church. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Yikes! That is too bad but I'm glad you weren't hurt. I know you are very 
> ingenious, but maybe the frame needs to be sent to Riv for repair? Who will 
> no doubt do the repair at a reasonable cost
>
> Which poster? I have the "saddle up on a bridgestone"...my favorite of the 
> Grant-inspired ones...the one with the rider on a roadbike alongside a 
> galloping horse. Can't remember if I bought it from Rivendell or from a 
> friend of mine who built many of my wheels and at one time was a 
> bridgestone dealer and sold me my 1993 X0-1 that I still have
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:55:39 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> That does not look good. Maybe once you get it into a stand and carefully 
>> remove the derailleur and gently realign the hanger you will be fine. The 
>> rear der pully cage can probably be bent back into shape. Issue is probably 
>> trusting it. Hope things work out. Glad you were not hurt. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:02 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take a picture. I 
>>> rolled to the side of the road and did not see the culvert, hidden with 
>>> fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low speed. I'm fine! 
>>>
>>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter had rotated 90º. 
>>> And my derailer hanger and the derailer were bent. I spun the crank while 
>>> off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I thought I'd give it a go as a 
>>> single speed. 
>>>
>>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It was at that 
>>> time the derailer turned upside down and inside out, bending into the 
>>> spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun!
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-07-23 at 3.05.28 PM.png]
>>>
>>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the hanger can be 
>>> bent but I have a feeling it will require some work from a frame builder. 
>>> That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have five of them (including this 
>>> one). You might recall the cage tension spring in my previous Cyclone 
>>> recently failed. This is one of the replacements I picked up. It was in 
>>> excellent shape but now it's going to the salvage bin. 
>>>
>>> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask if they could 
>>> help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need anything?" I replied "I 
>>> need derailer hanger, a rear mech and a welding torch!"
>>>
>>> Hope your weekend rides weren't so mechanically eventful. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Park Tool DAG

[Eric Marth]

Hi all — If you're holding a Park Derailer Hanger Alignment Gauge you'd let 
go of please let me know your price shipped to me in 22401. 

As some of you know, I recently mangled my derailer hanger. I'm trying to 
get it sorted out. I'd like to try to further finesse the hanger in my home 
shop before taking the next step of handing the bike off to someone else.

Thank you! 

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[RBW] Rivendell Ride PDX

[velomann]

They're getting the band back together. 
John B & Darby of our much-missed Rivelo are hosting a Pedalpalooza get 
together and ride on August 13.
All bikes welcome, though I suspect we may see the greatest gathering of 
Rivendells ever outside of Walnut Creek.
Bikes, Bags, Brews, and Bob.
Be there.
https://www.shift2bikes.org/calendar/event-17311

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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Ian]

Thanks for the history Elton, and clearing up my issues on size. It served
me well and luckily no cars or Rottweilers spoils my fun. It’s crazy how
these Riv’s travel around.
It must of returned to MA at some point.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:34 PM Elton Lance  wrote:

> I can’t help but chime in here. . .
>
> I worked at Harris Cyclery for 16 years.  The first 8 of those were
> side-by-side with Sheldon, who passed in February, 2008.  This frame is one
> I purchased new from Rivendell in the original Russian green.  It was 2004,
> IIRC. This bike never belonged to Sheldon.  I was involved in working with
> Harriet Fell, his widow, in finding homes for many bikes in his personal
> collection, though this was not one of those.
>
> One dark and rainy night in October, 2006, I was riding home from work,
> lit like a Christmas tree, and was struck by a hit-and-run driver.  I went
> over the car and the bike suffered top tube damage such that Sheldon said,
> “I wouldn’t ride it if it was mine!”.  So back to Rivendell it went for a
> new top tube. I don’t know for sure who did the work.  When it was
> repaired, Mark Abele called me to ask what color I would like to have it
> repainted. Red!  And so it was. . .
>
> Six months later, I was attacked by a rottweiler in nearly the same spot.
> The bike was unharmed but I was not.  The settlement I received from the
> dog’s owner paid for a good bit of my first JP Weigle (happy ending).
>
> Shortly thereafter, I sold the bike to Gino Ganz (sp?) in CA.  Beyond
> that, I’ve lost track.  It’s fun to see it re-emerge from time to time.
>
> It’s like a game of telephone, it seems.  But them’s the facts.
>
> It was listed by Rivendell as a 61cm.  It’s one of the ones I wish I’d
> kept!
>
> Elton Lance (formerly Pope-Lance)
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Ian's a nice guy with nice bikes and someone should buy this nice guy's
> bike!
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Sent ya a PM, to both ride2almostanywhere and joyianbegley
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:03:57 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Killer
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:01:54 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 DD,
  Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com

 Thanks Ian

 On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:

> PM sent. And I’m local!
>
> Dustin
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Wow, that red is amazing!
>
> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:
>
> Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB
> to top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery,
> tasked with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial
> no. AT0618.
> Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or
> dings on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike
> that age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see
> photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket
> is a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good
> working order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates 
> letting
> it go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally 
> boxed
> at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up 
> unboxed
> in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
>
> Ian
> Richmond, VA
>
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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Elton Lance]

I can’t help but chime in here. . .

I worked at Harris Cyclery for 16 years.  The first 8 of those were 
side-by-side with Sheldon, who passed in February, 2008.  This frame is one I 
purchased new from Rivendell in the original Russian green.  It was 2004, IIRC. 
This bike never belonged to Sheldon.  I was involved in working with Harriet 
Fell, his widow, in finding homes for many bikes in his personal collection, 
though this was not one of those.  

One dark and rainy night in October, 2006, I was riding home from work, lit 
like a Christmas tree, and was struck by a hit-and-run driver.  I went over the 
car and the bike suffered top tube damage such that Sheldon said, “I wouldn’t 
ride it if it was mine!”.  So back to Rivendell it went for a new top tube. I 
don’t know for sure who did the work.  When it was repaired, Mark Abele called 
me to ask what color I would like to have it repainted. Red!  And so it was. . .

Six months later, I was attacked by a rottweiler in nearly the same spot.  The 
bike was unharmed but I was not.  The settlement I received from the dog’s 
owner paid for a good bit of my first JP Weigle (happy ending).

Shortly thereafter, I sold the bike to Gino Ganz (sp?) in CA.  Beyond that, 
I’ve lost track.  It’s fun to see it re-emerge from time to time.

It’s like a game of telephone, it seems.  But them’s the facts.

It was listed by Rivendell as a 61cm.  It’s one of the ones I wish I’d kept!

Elton Lance (formerly Pope-Lance)
Vero Beach, FL





> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Ian's a nice guy with nice bikes and someone should buy this nice guy's bike!
> 
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>> Sent ya a PM, to both ride2almostanywhere and joyianbegley
>> 
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:03:57 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>> Killer
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:01:54 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com <> 
>>> wrote:
 DD,
  Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com 
 
 Thanks Ian 
 
 On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D > wrote:
> PM sent. And I’m local!  
> 
> Dustin
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams > <>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> Wow, that red is amazing! 
>> 
>> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley > wrote:
>>> 
 Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB 
 to top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery, 
 tasked with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial 
 no. AT0618. 
 Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or 
 dings on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a 
 bike that age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer 
 enamel (see photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the 
 bottom bracket is a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions 
 and in good working order. Recently downsized, so space constraints 
 necessitates letting it go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the 
 frameset professionally boxed at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay 
 shipping and insurance or pick up unboxed in the Richmond, VA area. PM 
 me with any questions.
 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
 
 Ian
 Richmond, VA
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Have you tried MKS Seahorse pedals

[Nick A.]

I'm also very curious, especially as it may compare to the Lambda.

TIA!
Nick in Falls Church VA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> Hi
>
> If anyone has ridden the MKS Seahorse 
>  pedals and has strong 
> opinions about them, I'd love to hear--especially if you hated them, for 
> some reason.  Sylvan Touring is my favorite pedal I've yet tried, but I've 
> also been very happy with Allways and Gammas.  
>
> thanks for any feedback
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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[RBW] Have you tried MKS Seahorse pedals

[Paul Richardson]

Hi

If anyone has ridden the MKS Seahorse 
 pedals and has strong 
opinions about them, I'd love to hear--especially if you hated them, for 
some reason.  Sylvan Touring is my favorite pedal I've yet tried, but I've 
also been very happy with Allways and Gammas.  

thanks for any feedback
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[RBW] FS: Discord Stems, 1 RH Oracle Ridge 700c x 48 Endurance tire

[greenteadrinkers]

Bump.

Discord w(Right) Quill Stem - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
Condition: Very Good
https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
$100 +Shipping

Discord Peeper Threadless Stem - 30mm
Condition: Excellent

https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem 

$120 +Shipping

Discord Chromo Creemee Threadless Stem - 0mm Clear Coat
Condition: Very Good
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
$120 +Shipping.

RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
uninstalled)
$70 +Shipping

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:43:34 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Some price drops:
>
> Discord w(Right) Quill Stem - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
> Condition: Very Good
> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
> $125 +Shipping
>
> Discord Peeper Threadless Stem - 30mm
> Condition: Excellent
> 
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem 
> 
> $140 +Shipping
>
> Discord Chromo Creemee Threadless Stem - 0mm Clear Coat
> Condition: Very Good
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
> $140 +Shipping.
>
> RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
> Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
> uninstalled)
> $75 +Shipping
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:03:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>>
>> *Sold*
>> *Small Fabio's Chest - CLASSIC WAXED - (includes Pec Dec V1, selling as a 
>> set)*
>>
>> *Sold*
>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>>
>> *Still Available:*
>>
>> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
>> Condition: Very Good
>> Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
>> James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
>> SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
>> the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
>> half the diameter of the stem.
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
>> $195 new
>> *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.
>>
>> *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm
>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>> Condition: Excellent
>>
>> Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails 
>> and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
>> $185 new
>> asking $150+ Shipping.
>> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>>
>> *Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat
>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>> Condition: Excellent / Very Good
>>
>> Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
>> light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
>> green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
>> $195 new
>> asking $150+ Shipping.
>> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>>
>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
>> Condition: Excellent
>> Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to 
>> swap out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
>> casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
>> tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
>> you'll find used.
>> $109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH)
>> asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)
>> *Price drop **$75+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)*
>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:18:24 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> *Sold*
>>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 12:53:25 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 DM for pictures, I'll respond as soon as possible. This is my first 
 time posting stuff for sale, so please bear with me.

 Thanks! 
 Scott in Amherst MA

 *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
 Condition: VG/VG-
 Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
 James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
 SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
 the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
 half the diameter of the stem.
 https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
 $195 new
 *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.

 *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm 
 (currently out of stock at Analog)
 Condition: Mint/Near mint 
 Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 

Re: [RBW] Bike theft - check the lockup structure

[Jon Dukeman]

A new thing in Oakland..bike jacking like car- jacking only with high end
bikes.
No need to break the lock.
A sad state of affairs in this country.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 9:22 AM Ryan  wrote:

> I see you've posted about this as well. I guess I shouldn't be surprised
> that this is not a new phenomenon
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:11:56 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the PSA and reminder, Ryan!
>>
>> I’ve been discovering this attempt at racks here in the Bay Area, too.
>> This rack at Safeway has been loose/unsecured for over three years.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/xTgfxtcc9eE/m/5I6O40hJCAAJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> I actually noticed this in Winnipeg where I live. I rode my bike to a
>> bank in a fairly upscale mall and noticed that one of the lockup rings was
>> loose where it's bolted into the concrete. Other tricks; sawing through the
>> metal tubing of the structure itself and using tape of some sort to hide
>> it, etc.
>>
>> Don't be in such a hurry that you don't check whatever you're locking
>> your bike to.I know it's obvious but I just thought I'd pass this on
>>
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bike-theft-racks-pre-cut-winnipeg-1.6924819
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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Ian]

Lunch ride today was fantastic weather for this time of year. Eric get your
Hillborne back up and running and join us.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:38 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Ian's a nice guy with nice bikes and someone should buy this nice guy's
> bike!
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Sent ya a PM, to both ride2almostanywhere and joyianbegley
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:03:57 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Killer
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:01:54 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 DD,
  Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com

 Thanks Ian

 On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:

> PM sent. And I’m local!
>
> Dustin
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Wow, that red is amazing!
>
> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:
>
> Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB
> to top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery,
> tasked with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial
> no. AT0618.
> Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or
> dings on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike
> that age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see
> photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket
> is a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good
> working order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates 
> letting
> it go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally 
> boxed
> at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up 
> unboxed
> in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
>
> Ian
> Richmond, VA
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis, All-Rounder, Saluki, Rambo (53/54 range)

[Ryan]

Not sure about that original Rivendell listed for $1 which is not $1 in 
Brooklyn. If he means 1K I think he's dreaming in Technicolor.

I downloaded one of the photos to zoom in on and regardless of the crappy 
obviously  not original paint job with no decals or anything else to 
identify it, the lugs and the fork don't look like OG Riv lugs or fork  to 
me. It's not a great photo but I'm not sure seeing it in person would 
change my mind. 

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:15:29 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Atlantis: 56cm
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/843147776777889/
>
> Appaloosa: 54cm
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html
>
> Sam Hillborne: 51cm
>
> https://charlottesville.craigslist.org/bik/d/charlottesville-gently-used-rivendell/7641259969.html
>
> Sam Hillborne: 55cm:
>
> https://northernwi.craigslist.org/bik/d/saint-germain-sam-hillbourne/7637994238.html
>
> Rivendell Original: 56cm
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-original-rivendell-56cm-ml/7646090906.html
>
> Rambouillet: 52cm
>
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/bik/d/gilbert-rivendell-rambouillet/7635579143.html
>
> Rambouillet: 56cm
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html
>
> Protovelo: 57cm
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/bik/d/lewisville-rivendell-protovelo-57cm/7648544548.html
>
> Heron: 59cm
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-1993-heron-rivendell/7648263190.html
>
> Susie Longbolts: 56cm
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-susie-longbolt/7648066687.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I am on the search for a classic Rivendell frame. I am open to pretty much 
> any of the older frames and don't really care if its 26", 650B. or 700C. 
> Bleriot, Saluki, Hilson, Atlantis. I am really open. I just want to build 
> up and have one of the classic Riv's. I am typically in the 53/54 range for 
> the older less slopey top tube stuff.  Hit me up. 
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis, All-Rounder, Saluki, Rambo (53/54 range)

[Matthew Williams]

Atlantis: 56cm
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/843147776777889/

Appaloosa: 54cm
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html

Sam Hillborne: 51cm
https://charlottesville.craigslist.org/bik/d/charlottesville-gently-used-rivendell/7641259969.html

Sam Hillborne: 55cm:
https://northernwi.craigslist.org/bik/d/saint-germain-sam-hillbourne/7637994238.html

Rivendell Original: 56cm
https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-original-rivendell-56cm-ml/7646090906.html

Rambouillet: 52cm
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/bik/d/gilbert-rivendell-rambouillet/7635579143.html

Rambouillet: 56cm
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html

Protovelo: 57cm
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/bik/d/lewisville-rivendell-protovelo-57cm/7648544548.html

Heron: 59cm
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-1993-heron-rivendell/7648263190.html

Susie Longbolts: 56cm
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-susie-longbolt/7648066687.html







> On Aug 2, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> 
> I am on the search for a classic Rivendell frame. I am open to pretty much 
> any of the older frames and don't really care if its 26", 650B. or 700C. 
> Bleriot, Saluki, Hilson, Atlantis. I am really open. I just want to build up 
> and have one of the classic Riv's. I am typically in the 53/54 range for the 
> older less slopey top tube stuff.  Hit me up.
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[RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis, All-Rounder, Saluki, Rambo (53/54 range)

[Johnny Alien]

I am on the search for a classic Rivendell frame. I am open to pretty much 
any of the older frames and don't really care if its 26", 650B. or 700C. 
Bleriot, Saluki, Hilson, Atlantis. I am really open. I just want to build 
up and have one of the classic Riv's. I am typically in the 53/54 range for 
the older less slopey top tube stuff.  Hit me up.

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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[Eric Marth]

Ian's a nice guy with nice bikes and someone should buy this nice guy's 
bike!

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> Sent ya a PM, to both ride2almostanywhere and joyianbegley
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:03:57 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Killer
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:01:54 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> DD,
>>>  Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com
>>>
>>> Thanks Ian 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:
>>>
 PM sent. And I’m local!  

 Dustin

 On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams  
 wrote:

 

 Wow, that red is amazing! 

 Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?



 On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:

 Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB 
 to top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery, 
 tasked with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial 
 no. AT0618. 
 Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or 
 dings on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike 
 that age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see 
 photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket 
 is a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good 
 working order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates 
 letting 
 it go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally 
 boxed 
 at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up 
 unboxed 
 in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283

 Ian
 Richmond, VA


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell in The Radavist

[Trevor Bradshaw]

I know Spencer and his brother Mitchell who wrote the article. He's the
real bike nut! Check out Two Bikes in Knoxville or Chattanooga next time
you're in TN.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 12:41 PM tellyoutoday  wrote:

> I met Spencer years ago when I lived in Nashville and I remember him
> showing up at a pretty remote house party on that polyvalent.
>
> I like the aesthetics of the older gen Atlantis, but I have a MIT model
> and I think it rides wonderfully. Only downside I see to the chainstay
> length is the need for an extra long chain and difficulty turning it around
> in a train car 
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:02 AM UTC-7 CJ wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steven! I'm really happy to have the Trek. When I found the
>> Atlantis frameset, I expected that it would replace the Trek, but the
>> Atlantis is gone, and the Trek is still in the stable!
>>
>> CJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:03 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Chris, nice to see this bike again. Here is a recent addition that I
>>> like more and more. 95 Trek 930 Steve
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:46 AM CJ  wrote:
>>>
 For sure. Up here in the frozen wastes of Maine, my winter ride is a
 1992 Trek 950 "Atlantis style" bike. It has full fenders, upright bars and
 stem, and wears either Maxxis DTH or Nokian studded tires, depending upon
 how much ice I expect to encounter. Here it is with the non-studded tires
 in late winter:

 [image: i-bqL8WGm-X2.jpg]

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> That's a cool video.
>
> It's a bit "idealized" in that the Atlantis is being ridden with snow
> on the ground, but it doesn't have fenders.
> That's a setup for someone with a few bikes to choose from -- where
> there's snow, there'll be salt, and water, and slush, most days in the
> winter. Where I live, I could ride that setup maybe ten days between
> Thanksgiving and the end of February.
>
> But it sure looks great -- Rivendell nailed the color on that bike.
> It just looks right, it's easily recognized, and even though it's just
> a hair off the classic Celeste Bianchi, it's clearly its own thing.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:33:46 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Lovely, lovely bike. That’s the era of Riv that first got me hooked!
>> I would like to ride something from that era to compare it to my super 
>> huge
>> 62cm MIT Atlantis.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:37:48 PM UTC-7 CJ wrote:
>>
>>> New article today in The Radavist featuring a classic Riv:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/i-dont-want-anything-thats-fast-the-bikes-of-spencer-connell/
>>>
>>> This strikes a chord with me because I have a Surly Krampus, I used
>>> to own a Toyo Atlantis just like that one, and like the article's 
>>> subject,
>>> I also have little interest in the recent long chainstay Rivendells.
>>>
>>> CJ
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell in The Radavist

[tellyoutoday]

I met Spencer years ago when I lived in Nashville and I remember him 
showing up at a pretty remote house party on that polyvalent. 

I like the aesthetics of the older gen Atlantis, but I have a MIT model and 
I think it rides wonderfully. Only downside I see to the chainstay length 
is the need for an extra long chain and difficulty turning it around in a 
train car 

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:02 AM UTC-7 CJ wrote:

> Thanks Steven! I'm really happy to have the Trek. When I found the 
> Atlantis frameset, I expected that it would replace the Trek, but the 
> Atlantis is gone, and the Trek is still in the stable!
>
> CJ
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:03 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Chris, nice to see this bike again. Here is a recent addition that I like 
>> more and more. 95 Trek 930 Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:46 AM CJ  wrote:
>>
>>> For sure. Up here in the frozen wastes of Maine, my winter ride is a 
>>> 1992 Trek 950 "Atlantis style" bike. It has full fenders, upright bars and 
>>> stem, and wears either Maxxis DTH or Nokian studded tires, depending upon 
>>> how much ice I expect to encounter. Here it is with the non-studded tires 
>>> in late winter:
>>>
>>> [image: i-bqL8WGm-X2.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's a cool video.

 It's a bit "idealized" in that the Atlantis is being ridden with snow 
 on the ground, but it doesn't have fenders.
 That's a setup for someone with a few bikes to choose from -- where 
 there's snow, there'll be salt, and water, and slush, most days in the 
 winter. Where I live, I could ride that setup maybe ten days between 
 Thanksgiving and the end of February.

 But it sure looks great -- Rivendell nailed the color on that bike.
 It just looks right, it's easily recognized, and even though it's just 
 a hair off the classic Celeste Bianchi, it's clearly its own thing. 

 cheers -mathias

 On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:33:46 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Lovely, lovely bike. That’s the era of Riv that first got me hooked! I 
> would like to ride something from that era to compare it to my super huge 
> 62cm MIT Atlantis.
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:37:48 PM UTC-7 CJ wrote:
>
>> New article today in The Radavist featuring a classic Riv:
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/i-dont-want-anything-thats-fast-the-bikes-of-spencer-connell/
>>
>> This strikes a chord with me because I have a Surly Krampus, I used 
>> to own a Toyo Atlantis just like that one, and like the article's 
>> subject, 
>> I also have little interest in the recent long chainstay Rivendells.
>>
>> CJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith, Jr for sa;e

[Kim H.]

Thank you, Wes for pointing that out.

Kim Hetzel.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 8:51 AM Wesley  wrote:

> Mike, will you pease tell us your location and the price of the bike?
>
> Kim, it is a 64cm in the photo (you can tell by how tall the headtube is)
> -Wes
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:44:55 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The frame size is 52cm, not a 64cm frame.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 8:38 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m assuming this is a 64cm frame.
>>>
>>> Best wishes to the sale and more importantly, your health.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-6 eclec...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I had a Clem Smith, Jr built at RBW in Walnut Creek about 1 1/2 years
 ago. Shortly after the purchase I had surgery on my upper left leg that
 doesn’t allow to sit in the bicycle saddle without pain. So reluctantly
 I’ve decided to sell it.

 Clem Smith, Jr mens 54 cam
 Ergon handlebar grips
 Ergon SL Core Prime Mens
 Lumina Micro 650 front light
 Handlebar mounted clock
 Water holder
 Silver fender
 Abus folding lock and mounted holder
 Busch and Muller handlebar mounted mirror
 Look trail pedals
 Nitto rear rack
 Rear light
 Mike Lipelt
 eclec...@gmail.com
 Rear light

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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Jason]

Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah 
and Marc! 

If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting perhaps 
the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. I 
sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue 
Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer Co 
., which has food, beer, and an 
outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the 
North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of 
Worship 
.
 
Here's a map of that concept 
.


Jason
Oak Park, IL
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the LFT. 
> Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind of 
> ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier makes 
> sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, so from 
> an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat lunch. 
> (Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) Depending on 
> start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to consider 
> holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically ride  the 
> LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be happy to do 
> it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a good idea, it's 
> far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with some fellow Riv 
> riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be riding at a 
> 9 year-old's pace.
>
> Cody
> Chicago   
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:
>
>> We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to suggestions 
>> for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point for a 35 
>> mile ride from Mack's.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are 
>>> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a 
>>> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value 
>>> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars 
>>> spent.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place 
 we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition 
 of 
 our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near, 
 well, that would be the dream.

 On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:

 

 Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a 
 lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and 
 andersonville, and...)

 I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants 
 to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.

 -Mike 
 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston 
> not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we 
> took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus. 
> Rather lovely area.
>
> No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking 
> Amtrak out from Albuquerque.
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done 
>> it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>>
>> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be 
>> expecting us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 
>> 26th, 
>> visit the shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch 
>> at 
>> the Navy Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and 
>> ride 
>> for maybe a total of 30-40 miles. 
>>
>> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if 
>> you like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv 
>> Ride. 
>>
>> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith, Jr for sa;e

[Wesley]

Mike, will you pease tell us your location and the price of the bike?

Kim, it is a 64cm in the photo (you can tell by how tall the headtube is)
-Wes

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:44:55 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> The frame size is 52cm, not a 64cm frame.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 8:38 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
>> I’m assuming this is a 64cm frame. 
>>
>> Best wishes to the sale and more importantly, your health. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-6 eclec...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I had a Clem Smith, Jr built at RBW in Walnut Creek about 1 1/2 years 
>>> ago. Shortly after the purchase I had surgery on my upper left leg that 
>>> doesn’t allow to sit in the bicycle saddle without pain. So reluctantly 
>>> I’ve decided to sell it.
>>>
>>> Clem Smith, Jr mens 54 cam
>>> Ergon handlebar grips
>>> Ergon SL Core Prime Mens
>>> Lumina Micro 650 front light
>>> Handlebar mounted clock
>>> Water holder
>>> Silver fender 
>>> Abus folding lock and mounted holder
>>> Busch and Muller handlebar mounted mirror
>>> Look trail pedals
>>> Nitto rear rack
>>> Rear light
>>> Mike Lipelt
>>> eclec...@gmail.com
>>> Rear light
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith, Jr for sa;e

[Kim H.]

The frame size is 52cm, not a 64cm frame.

Kim Hetzel.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 8:38 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:

> I’m assuming this is a 64cm frame.
>
> Best wishes to the sale and more importantly, your health.
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-6 eclec...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I had a Clem Smith, Jr built at RBW in Walnut Creek about 1 1/2 years
>> ago. Shortly after the purchase I had surgery on my upper left leg that
>> doesn’t allow to sit in the bicycle saddle without pain. So reluctantly
>> I’ve decided to sell it.
>>
>> Clem Smith, Jr mens 54 cam
>> Ergon handlebar grips
>> Ergon SL Core Prime Mens
>> Lumina Micro 650 front light
>> Handlebar mounted clock
>> Water holder
>> Silver fender
>> Abus folding lock and mounted holder
>> Busch and Muller handlebar mounted mirror
>> Look trail pedals
>> Nitto rear rack
>> Rear light
>> Mike Lipelt
>> eclec...@gmail.com
>> Rear light
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith, Jr for sa;e

[Hoch in ut]

I’m assuming this is a 64cm frame. 

Best wishes to the sale and more importantly, your health. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:44:31 PM UTC-6 eclec...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
> I had a Clem Smith, Jr built at RBW in Walnut Creek about 1 1/2 years ago. 
> Shortly after the purchase I had surgery on my upper left leg that doesn’t 
> allow to sit in the bicycle saddle without pain. So reluctantly I’ve 
> decided to sell it.
>
> Clem Smith, Jr mens 54 cam
> Ergon handlebar grips
> Ergon SL Core Prime Mens
> Lumina Micro 650 front light
> Handlebar mounted clock
> Water holder
> Silver fender 
> Abus folding lock and mounted holder
> Busch and Muller handlebar mounted mirror
> Look trail pedals
> Nitto rear rack
> Rear light
> Mike Lipelt
> eclec...@gmail.com
> Rear light
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell in The Radavist

[CJ]

Thanks Steven! I'm really happy to have the Trek. When I found the Atlantis 
frameset, I expected that it would replace the Trek, but the Atlantis is 
gone, and the Trek is still in the stable!

CJ

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:03 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Chris, nice to see this bike again. Here is a recent addition that I like 
> more and more. 95 Trek 930 Steve
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:46 AM CJ  wrote:
>
>> For sure. Up here in the frozen wastes of Maine, my winter ride is a 1992 
>> Trek 950 "Atlantis style" bike. It has full fenders, upright bars and stem, 
>> and wears either Maxxis DTH or Nokian studded tires, depending upon how 
>> much ice I expect to encounter. Here it is with the non-studded tires in 
>> late winter:
>>
>> [image: i-bqL8WGm-X2.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a cool video.
>>>
>>> It's a bit "idealized" in that the Atlantis is being ridden with snow on 
>>> the ground, but it doesn't have fenders.
>>> That's a setup for someone with a few bikes to choose from -- where 
>>> there's snow, there'll be salt, and water, and slush, most days in the 
>>> winter. Where I live, I could ride that setup maybe ten days between 
>>> Thanksgiving and the end of February.
>>>
>>> But it sure looks great -- Rivendell nailed the color on that bike.
>>> It just looks right, it's easily recognized, and even though it's just a 
>>> hair off the classic Celeste Bianchi, it's clearly its own thing. 
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:33:46 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Lovely, lovely bike. That’s the era of Riv that first got me hooked! I 
 would like to ride something from that era to compare it to my super huge 
 62cm MIT Atlantis.

 On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:37:48 PM UTC-7 CJ wrote:

> New article today in The Radavist featuring a classic Riv:
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/i-dont-want-anything-thats-fast-the-bikes-of-spencer-connell/
>
> This strikes a chord with me because I have a Surly Krampus, I used to 
> own a Toyo Atlantis just like that one, and like the article's subject, I 
> also have little interest in the recent long chainstay Rivendells.
>
> CJ
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Re: [RBW] Bike theft - check the lockup structure

[Ryan]

I see you've posted about this as well. I guess I shouldn't be surprised 
that this is not a new phenomenon

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:11:56 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Thanks for the PSA and reminder, Ryan! 
>
> I’ve been discovering this attempt at racks here in the Bay Area, too. 
> This rack at Safeway has been loose/unsecured for over three years. 
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/xTgfxtcc9eE/m/5I6O40hJCAAJ
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> I actually noticed this in Winnipeg where I live. I rode my bike to a bank 
> in a fairly upscale mall and noticed that one of the lockup rings was loose 
> where it's bolted into the concrete. Other tricks; sawing through the metal 
> tubing of the structure itself and using tape of some sort to hide it, etc.
>
> Don't be in such a hurry that you don't check whatever you're locking your 
> bike to.I know it's obvious but I just thought I'd pass this on
>
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bike-theft-racks-pre-cut-winnipeg-1.6924819
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Re: [RBW] Bike theft - check the lockup structure

[Matthew Williams]

Thanks for the PSA and reminder, Ryan! 

I’ve been discovering this attempt at racks here in the Bay Area, too. This 
rack at Safeway has been loose/unsecured for over three years. 

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> On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
> I actually noticed this in Winnipeg where I live. I rode my bike to a bank in 
> a fairly upscale mall and noticed that one of the lockup rings was loose 
> where it's bolted into the concrete. Other tricks; sawing through the metal 
> tubing of the structure itself and using tape of some sort to hide it, etc.
> 
> Don't be in such a hurry that you don't check whatever you're locking your 
> bike to.I know it's obvious but I just thought I'd pass this on
> 
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bike-theft-racks-pre-cut-winnipeg-1.6924819
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Diana H]

I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 

Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
anything up to ~30 miles.

Diana
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>
>>> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
>>> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
>>> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>>
>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called 
>> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>
>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good 
>> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never 
>> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
>>
>> Piaw
>>
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Cody Marvin]

I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the LFT.
Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind of
ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier makes
sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, so from
an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat lunch.
(Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) Depending on
start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to consider
holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically ride  the
LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be happy to do
it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a good idea, it's
far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with some fellow Riv
riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be riding at a
9 year-old's pace.

Cody
Chicago

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:

> We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to suggestions
> for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point for a 35
> mile ride from Mack's.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are
>> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a
>> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value
>> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars
>> spent.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place
>>> we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition of
>>> our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near,
>>> well, that would be the dream.
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a
>>> lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and
>>> andersonville, and...)
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants
>>> to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston
 not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we
 took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus.
 Rather lovely area.

 No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking
 Amtrak out from Albuquerque.

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> Hi All,
>
> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done
> it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>
> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be
> expecting us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th,
> visit the shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at
> the Navy Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride
> for maybe a total of 30-40 miles.
>
> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if
> you like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv
> Ride.
>
> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Brian Turner]

Seconded on the North Shore Channel Trail. It should be much less crowded than the sea of humanity you’ll be riding with (and against) along the lake. You can combine that with the Lakefront Trail and get a really nice loop around the city and up into Evanston.On Aug 2, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Conway Bennett  wrote:I'd stop before North Avenue Beach.  I suggest heading Northwest at Irving Park.  You can stop at Wrigley Field which is a much finer tourist trap than Navy Pier, and then work your way to the North Shore Channel Trail which goes all the way to Evanston.  There are so many more quality food and drink options on this route.Fair winds,Captain Conway Bennett239.877.4119On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.MarcOn Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars spent.On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition of our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near, well, that would be the dream.On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and andersonville, and...)I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.-Mike On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus. Rather lovely area.No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking Amtrak out from Albuquerque.On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Hi All,The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for maybe a total of 30-40 miles. Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. Please let us know if you plan to attend!



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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Conway Bennett]

I'd stop before North Avenue Beach.  I suggest heading Northwest at Irving
Park.  You can stop at Wrigley Field which is a much finer tourist trap
than Navy Pier, and then work your way to the North Shore Channel Trail
which goes all the way to Evanston.  There are so many more quality food
and drink options on this route.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:

> We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to suggestions
> for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point for a 35
> mile ride from Mack's.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are
>> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a
>> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value
>> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars
>> spent.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place
>>> we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition of
>>> our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near,
>>> well, that would be the dream.
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a
>>> lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and
>>> andersonville, and...)
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants
>>> to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston
 not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we
 took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus.
 Rather lovely area.

 No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking
 Amtrak out from Albuquerque.

 On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done
> it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>
> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be
> expecting us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th,
> visit the shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at
> the Navy Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride
> for maybe a total of 30-40 miles.
>
> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if
> you like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv
> Ride.
>
> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Marc Irwin]

We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to suggestions 
for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point for a 35 
mile ride from Mack's.

Marc


On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are 
> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a 
> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value 
> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars 
> spent.
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place we 
>> can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition of 
>> our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near, 
>> well, that would be the dream.
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a lot 
>> of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and 
>> andersonville, and...)
>>
>> I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants 
>> to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.
>>
>> -Mike 
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston 
>>> not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we 
>>> took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus. 
>>> Rather lovely area.
>>>
>>> No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking 
>>> Amtrak out from Albuquerque.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done 
 it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!

 Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting 
 us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the 
 shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy 
 Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for 
 maybe 
 a total of 30-40 miles. 

 Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you 
 like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. 

 Please let us know if you plan to attend!

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Marc Irwin]

We're open to suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient 
turnaround for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.  

Marc


On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 2:40:02 PM UTC-4 Sean B. wrote:

> Leah!
>
> I'm in! Navy Pier can be a bit of a tourist trap, and might be hard to 
> lock up a big number of bikes. Along the trail are a few cafe stands, and 
> there's also a handful around Buckingham Fountain (with restrooms). 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:30:23 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Sounds like it will be a good ride and I wish I could attend one of these 
>> Rivendell rides. Maybe some day...
>> doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:04:35 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it 
>>> but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>>>
>>> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting 
>>> us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the 
>>> shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy 
>>> Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for maybe 
>>> a total of 30-40 miles. 
>>>
>>> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you 
>>> like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. 
>>>
>>> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
>>>
>>> Leah Peterson and Marc Irwin
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Conway Bennett]

I'll amend this with the Bike the Drive event is coming up a few weeks 
later, and I would like to do it with a RBW consortium--it's the same ride 
sans cars.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:

> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are 
> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a 
> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value 
> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars 
> spent.
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place we 
>> can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition of 
>> our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near, 
>> well, that would be the dream.
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a lot 
>> of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and 
>> andersonville, and...)
>>
>> I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants 
>> to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.
>>
>> -Mike 
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston 
>>> not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we 
>>> took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus. 
>>> Rather lovely area.
>>>
>>> No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking 
>>> Amtrak out from Albuquerque.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done 
 it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!

 Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting 
 us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the 
 shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy 
 Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for 
 maybe 
 a total of 30-40 miles. 

 Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you 
 like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. 

 Please let us know if you plan to attend!

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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Conway Bennett]

I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are great.  
I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a Saturday in 
August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value and the LFT is 
a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars spent.

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place we 
> can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition of 
> our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near, 
> well, that would be the dream.
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a lot 
> of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and 
> andersonville, and...)
>
> I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants to 
> end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.
>
> -Mike 
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston not 
>> quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we took 
>> a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus. Rather 
>> lovely area.
>>
>> No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking 
>> Amtrak out from Albuquerque.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it 
>>> but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>>>
>>> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting 
>>> us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the 
>>> shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy 
>>> Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for maybe 
>>> a total of 30-40 miles. 
>>>
>>> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you 
>>> like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. 
>>>
>>> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
>>>
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[RBW] Bike theft - check the lockup structure

[Ryan]

I actually noticed this in Winnipeg where I live. I rode my bike to a bank 
in a fairly upscale mall and noticed that one of the lockup rings was loose 
where it's bolted into the concrete. Other tricks; sawing through the metal 
tubing of the structure itself and using tape of some sort to hide it, etc.

Don't be in such a hurry that you don't check whatever you're locking your 
bike to.I know it's obvious but I just thought I'd pass this on

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bike-theft-racks-pre-cut-winnipeg-1.6924819
 

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Joe Bernard]

You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>
>> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
>> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
>> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>
> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called 
> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>
> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good 
> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never 
> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
>
> Piaw
>

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