Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Bill Gibson]

All things are things. They pass on, as we all do. The experience using the
thing is more important than the thing. He, and we, will learn from
whatever thing he rides. But, so long as we live, we will make another
thing. But to ride, that is the thing.
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On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 9:18 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Piaw -
> I lived on Sladky Avenue between Springer and Fordham Way to be more
> specific.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:42:37 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm 2 long blocks from Cuesta Drive. I'm pretty sure if this happened in
>> MTV or Sunnyvale the police wouldn't be unresponsive. I have no idea why
>> Oakland and San Francisco don't consider a holdup at gunpoint worth getting
>> a search warrant over.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:17 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> @Piaw -
>>> Oh my goodness ! How terrible that is being forced at gunpoint to hand
>>> over your bicycle and being left stranded. Unbelievable. I am glad I do not
>>> live there anymore. I moved away decades ago not too far from you, near
>>> Cuesta Drive in Mountain View, California.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:33:43 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

>
> Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m
> talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to 
> find
> the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying
> an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend
> dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent.
>
>
 If I had to carry 3 U-locks and thick cable locks, why not just ride a
 heavy cheap used clunker? I remember someone once suggested the
 theorum that all bicycles + locks weigh the same (the light bike had to
 have a heavier lock). I once rode my Heron Touring bike in New Hampshire
 where I met cycling author Marty Basch. He and I walked into a restaurant
 for lunch, leaving our expedition-style loaded touring bikes in front of
 the restaurant unlocked. After a 2 hour lunch we walked back out and he
 looked at our bikes and said: "Darn. The bikes are still there. I guess we
 have to keep riding." (
 https://blog.piaw.net/2009/06/new-england-2000-bike-trip.html)

 I take the approach that if I have to worry that much about my bike
 being stolen, I should start to worry about my personal safety as well.
 Here in the Bay Area there have been stories of bicyclists riding their
 bikes being forced to hand over their bikes at gunpoint and left stranded
 in the hills:
 https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/06/23/crime/oakland-bikejacking-bike-robberies/

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Kim H.]

@Piaw -
I lived on Sladky Avenue between Springer and Fordham Way to be more 
specific. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:42:37 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm 2 long blocks from Cuesta Drive. I'm pretty sure if this happened in 
> MTV or Sunnyvale the police wouldn't be unresponsive. I have no idea why 
> Oakland and San Francisco don't consider a holdup at gunpoint worth getting 
> a search warrant over.
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:17 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @Piaw -
>> Oh my goodness ! How terrible that is being forced at gunpoint to hand 
>> over your bicycle and being left stranded. Unbelievable. I am glad I do not 
>> live there anymore. I moved away decades ago not too far from you, near 
>> Cuesta Drive in Mountain View, California. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:33:43 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>

 Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m 
 talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to 
 find 
 the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying 
 an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend 
 dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent. 


>>> If I had to carry 3 U-locks and thick cable locks, why not just ride a 
>>> heavy cheap used clunker? I remember someone once suggested the 
>>> theorum that all bicycles + locks weigh the same (the light bike had to 
>>> have a heavier lock). I once rode my Heron Touring bike in New Hampshire 
>>> where I met cycling author Marty Basch. He and I walked into a restaurant 
>>> for lunch, leaving our expedition-style loaded touring bikes in front of 
>>> the restaurant unlocked. After a 2 hour lunch we walked back out and he 
>>> looked at our bikes and said: "Darn. The bikes are still there. I guess we 
>>> have to keep riding." (
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2009/06/new-england-2000-bike-trip.html)
>>>
>>> I take the approach that if I have to worry that much about my bike 
>>> being stolen, I should start to worry about my personal safety as well. 
>>> Here in the Bay Area there have been stories of bicyclists riding their 
>>> bikes being forced to hand over their bikes at gunpoint and left stranded 
>>> in the hills: 
>>> https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/06/23/crime/oakland-bikejacking-bike-robberies/
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[藍俊彪]

I'm 2 long blocks from Cuesta Drive. I'm pretty sure if this happened in
MTV or Sunnyvale the police wouldn't be unresponsive. I have no idea why
Oakland and San Francisco don't consider a holdup at gunpoint worth getting
a search warrant over.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:17 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Piaw -
> Oh my goodness ! How terrible that is being forced at gunpoint to hand
> over your bicycle and being left stranded. Unbelievable. I am glad I do not
> live there anymore. I moved away decades ago not too far from you, near
> Cuesta Drive in Mountain View, California.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:33:43 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m
>>> talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to find
>>> the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying
>>> an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend
>>> dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent.
>>>
>>>
>> If I had to carry 3 U-locks and thick cable locks, why not just ride a
>> heavy cheap used clunker? I remember someone once suggested the
>> theorum that all bicycles + locks weigh the same (the light bike had to
>> have a heavier lock). I once rode my Heron Touring bike in New Hampshire
>> where I met cycling author Marty Basch. He and I walked into a restaurant
>> for lunch, leaving our expedition-style loaded touring bikes in front of
>> the restaurant unlocked. After a 2 hour lunch we walked back out and he
>> looked at our bikes and said: "Darn. The bikes are still there. I guess we
>> have to keep riding." (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2009/06/new-england-2000-bike-trip.html)
>>
>> I take the approach that if I have to worry that much about my bike being
>> stolen, I should start to worry about my personal safety as well. Here in
>> the Bay Area there have been stories of bicyclists riding their bikes being
>> forced to hand over their bikes at gunpoint and left stranded in the hills:
>> https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/06/23/crime/oakland-bikejacking-bike-robberies/
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm A. Homer Hilsen (Waterford), F/F/HS/BB $1000

[Ryan]

Hilarious!

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:58:02 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> https://youtu.be/cmXZOI7cM0M
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:30:40 PM UTC-4 Sam Wanless wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2083.JPG]
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm A. Homer Hilsen (Waterford), F/F/HS/BB $1000

[Sam McDermott]

I can read the price sticker, I'll take it for $11.99 ;)

-Sam "I wish I was a little bit taller*" McDermott
Philadelphia, PA
* (not to mention, having more liquid funds available and more space in the 
basement)
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:30:40 PM UTC-4 Sam Wanless wrote:

> [image: IMG_2083.JPG]
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Cranksets, Blue Lug Power Stem, Silver Shifters, Brake Levers

[Johnny Alien]

I think I might just hang on to the albastache bars. I still have these 
items that need to go. I dropped the price on the crankset. Like new.

   1. Sugino XD2 Double Crank Arms - Excellent to almost mint shape. Has no 
   rings but does have the new sugino bolts to put them on. 170mm length. 
   *$60*
   2. Tektro RL 520 Long Pull Brake Levers - Brand new but no box included. 
   Road levers for V brakes. Super nice and great looking.* $25*


On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:07:42 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Silver shifters are gone as well.
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>>
>> And now that Grand Cru cranks are sold.
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The grand cru cranks are $100. Sorry about the error. Thanks Eric for 
>>> pointing this out!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:38:49 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I have the following items for sale. All prices include shipping:


1. Albastache handlebars. Brand new (never used/mounted) - *$100*
2. Blue Lug Power Stem - Brand new (never used/mounted).Dull brite 
silver color. 80mm extension 25.4 clamp - *$80*
3. Silver downtube shifter - One side is used in great shape and 
the other is brand new. Both have brand new black plastic spacers (the 
 good 
ones) and hardware. *$40*
4. Sugino XD2 Double Crank Arms - Excellent to almost mint shape. 
Has no rings but does have the new sugino bolts to put them on. 170mm 
length. *$70*
5. Grand Cru 50.4 BCD Crankset - Used but very nice. Some wear 
marks here and there but overall very nice! 46/30 rings. Thats all VO 
carries but TA chainrings work on this as well with tons of options. As 
beautiful as cranks can get. 165mm length. *$10*
6. Tektro RL 520 Long Pull Brake Levers - Brand new but no box 
included. Road levers for V brakes. Super nice and great looking.* 
$25*



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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Kim H.]

@Piaw -
Oh my goodness ! How terrible that is being forced at gunpoint to hand over 
your bicycle and being left stranded. Unbelievable. I am glad I do not live 
there anymore. I moved away decades ago not too far from you, near Cuesta 
Drive in Mountain View, California. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:33:43 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>>
>> Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m 
>> talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to find 
>> the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying 
>> an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend 
>> dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent. 
>>
>>
> If I had to carry 3 U-locks and thick cable locks, why not just ride a 
> heavy cheap used clunker? I remember someone once suggested the 
> theorum that all bicycles + locks weigh the same (the light bike had to 
> have a heavier lock). I once rode my Heron Touring bike in New Hampshire 
> where I met cycling author Marty Basch. He and I walked into a restaurant 
> for lunch, leaving our expedition-style loaded touring bikes in front of 
> the restaurant unlocked. After a 2 hour lunch we walked back out and he 
> looked at our bikes and said: "Darn. The bikes are still there. I guess we 
> have to keep riding." (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2009/06/new-england-2000-bike-trip.html)
>
> I take the approach that if I have to worry that much about my bike being 
> stolen, I should start to worry about my personal safety as well. Here in 
> the Bay Area there have been stories of bicyclists riding their bikes being 
> forced to hand over their bikes at gunpoint and left stranded in the hills: 
> https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/06/23/crime/oakland-bikejacking-bike-robberies/
>

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[RBW] WTB / ISO Nitto R10 bag support rack

[Richard Rose]

Good Evening. Anyone have one of these looking for a new home? They seem to 
be out of stock everywhere except Bluelug.
Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: Atlas tubeless?

[David Baldi]

another anecdotal take, for what it's worth: 
I have run a pair Dyads tubeless for about 3 years with no problems at low 
pressure (oracle ridge, ~17-25 psi). But it did take more work and patience 
to set up. As Patrick has already noted, in the absence of a good shoulder 
you can build up the center of the well with Gorilla tape. I prefer 
starting with two layers of tubeless tape to get the seal, and then 
gradually building up the center with a narrower strip of Gorilla tape 
until, with the tire mounted, the bead is super tight even in the well. 
Which also means it sucks getting it over the rim in the first place, and 
that you'll probably need to do it a few times until you nail it. By using 
a thinner width for the gorilla tape, you create, if not a shoulder, at 
least something of a lip to keep the beat from going back to center in the 
case of a flat. Though IME the orange seal connection the forms at the bead 
has always been enough to keep it in place. 
What I decided for myself was: when it is time to rebuild or upgrade the 
wheel, I'll go tubeless compatible for peace of mind, less trouble, and 
easier field service. Until then, I'll stick with the Dyads. I should also 
mention that, once I set up a pair of Oracle Ridge tires tubeless, 
replacing them with new tires (Hatcher Pass) was easy—I didn't have to redo 
that whole process.

-david


On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:56:53 AM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> My Big Bens are nearing end of life and I’m curious about setting up my 
> Hunq tubeless. But I have Atlas rims, which Velocity says is a no-go. 
> However if you scroll through the comments on this article, John Watson 
> from the Radavist says they set up nicely:
>
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/
>
> So why would I want to do this? Mostly to get experience working with 
> tubeless setups. My full-squish MTB and gravel/bikepacking rig are 
> tubeless, and if/when I encounter issues with either of them (esp. if I’m 
> in a remote locale) I’d like to have some hands-on knowledge with 
> troubleshooting tubeless systems. I already have an air compressor, so 
> basically for the cost of some tape and sealant I’d be good to go.
>
> Anybody have experience with making non-tubeless rims play nicely 
> tubeless? Tips or tricks to share? Or is it just a bad idea, and should I 
> resign myself to getting some new wheels built with Cliffhangers? I’d hate 
> to have the Hunq out of commission that long, but if I timed it to coincide 
> with out-of-town travel it probably wouldn’t be that big a deal.
>
> One last question — Cliffhangers are wider than Atlases by about 4.6 mm. 
> How would that affect fender clearance? My intuition is that wider rims 
> should result in a flatter tire arc, and potentially make it possible to go 
> slightly wider if I wanted to. I have 50s now, and would like to be able to 
> move up to 55s or even 60s.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>

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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[alan lavine]

Thanks for the info. I'll try it next build.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 5:42:40 PM UTC-4 brainsa...@gmail.com wrote:

> The current set up I have on my Ram is 11-36 in the back with a 52-42 up 
> front. I wasn't going to do the 36, but I had it and wanted to see how the 
> derailleur would handle it. It works great, but I'll probably change it 
> because I can't see a situation where I'll need to go that low. 
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:57:43 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That's certainly my theory, but I haven't tried it with a cog that large 
>> yet. I currently have a 14-28 6-speed Suntour mounted on the temporary 
>> Phil+Araya rear that's there now, until I reconstruct the Phil+Mavic MA-2 
>> rear that I noticed as dented when I was building up the Trek. That hub 
>> will get an axle-end swap; Phil Wood apparently used longer axle ends for 
>> 7-speed 126 OLD hubs than for 6-speed. I'd attempted to install one of my 
>> expanding collection of Sachs-Maillard 7-speed mountain FWs (large cogs 
>> ranging from 28 through 34T), but the axle end didn't push the dropout of 
>> the Raleigh out far enough to clear the smallest cog.
>>
>> For comparison purposes, the Huret/Sachs-Huret Duopars (both the Ti 
>> original. and the all-steel Eco) are rated for 36T. But I suspect that with 
>> a 26-28T granny in a 5-pin chainset, a 34T cog will be sufficiently capable 
>> of pulling stumps.
>>
>> Michael Sweatman at disraeligears.co.uk 
>> 
>>  
>> theorizes that the Suntour 3-pulley systems can handle 38T cogs. Does 
>> anyone actually make a freewheel that low? I suppose someone could 
>> experiment with it in an indexed 1x system, for science.
>>
>> Peter Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:30:09 AM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> So it would be g ood for a large cog, like 34T, instead of a long cage 
>> deralailer ?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm A. Homer Hilsen (Waterford), F/F/HS/BB $1000

[Johnny Alien]

https://youtu.be/cmXZOI7cM0M

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:30:40 PM UTC-4 Sam Wanless wrote:

> [image: IMG_2083.JPG]
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[藍俊彪]

>
>
>
> Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m
> talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to find
> the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying
> an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend
> dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent.
>
>
If I had to carry 3 U-locks and thick cable locks, why not just ride a
heavy cheap used clunker? I remember someone once suggested the
theorum that all bicycles + locks weigh the same (the light bike had to
have a heavier lock). I once rode my Heron Touring bike in New Hampshire
where I met cycling author Marty Basch. He and I walked into a restaurant
for lunch, leaving our expedition-style loaded touring bikes in front of
the restaurant unlocked. After a 2 hour lunch we walked back out and he
looked at our bikes and said: "Darn. The bikes are still there. I guess we
have to keep riding." (
https://blog.piaw.net/2009/06/new-england-2000-bike-trip.html)

I take the approach that if I have to worry that much about my bike being
stolen, I should start to worry about my personal safety as well. Here in
the Bay Area there have been stories of bicyclists riding their bikes being
forced to hand over their bikes at gunpoint and left stranded in the hills:
https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/06/23/crime/oakland-bikejacking-bike-robberies/

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[RBW] FS: 65cm A. Homer Hilsen (Waterford), F/F/HS/BB $1000

[Sam Wanless]

Hi all,

Letting go of my 65cm Homer for $1000. This is just for the frame, fork, 
Ultegra headset, and a Phil BB (I can remove if requested). 

Geo can be found HERE  For 
reference, I'm 6'2" with a 91cm PBH. My saddle height is around 80cm and I 
found this bike to fit well. 

I'm the third owner, purchased either here or iBOB, can't remember. I 
believe this is from the first run, as Riv switched to Toyo before too 
long. Probably my favorite era of Rivendell. There are paint chips, and 
some superficial rust, but the frame is excellent shape. No dents, never 
crashed.  

Located in Asheville, NC. Would prefer to sell locally, so priority will be 
given to pick-up buyers. Otherwise, I will ship at buyers expense. 

Happy to answer any questions :)

-Sam in Asheville 

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Junes]

I agree with Christian’s general message. If the young man does end up taking the bike to college, make sure he locks it properly and redundantly. Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to find the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent. Yes to Pitlocks, too. With a couple of extra keys. There are no guarantees, even with the crazy number of locks I use. I’m not sure how else to integrate the bikes into daily life, though. I had a bike stolen from my front lawn when I was a kid, and another one in college. It’s a horrible feeling no matter how cheap or fancy the bike is. The college experience taught me that you have to make it onerous for a thief, and you can’t ever be lax about it. Also, be sure to insure the bike! As a college student his property might still be covered under his parents’ homeowners policy. My college bike was. Best to check to make sure. JimOn Aug 7, 2023, at 18:09, christian poppell  wrote:  TL;DRI disagree... Clem College Cruiser FTW!Properly lock it up with multiple locks to a secure rackdon't leave it in one spot outside more than a day, less if the spot sees high trafficRevert it to stock/cheap(but cheerful) configurationmake it uGly to thieves, duct tape, spray paint (over the duct tape), stickers, used parts. understand the responsibility of caring for a bike on campus and the possibility that despite your sons best effort, it still could get stolenIf the thought of losing this specifc clem is too much, get a used or new Clem that you don't have an emotional attachment toHey Leah,I'll be a voice of dissent, I rode a precious to me bicycle through college (Gainesville, FL), locking it up both outside at a dorm room. on errands to the store, and outside the architecture building where I spent most of my time. Later, it spent time locked up outside the Ashby BART station in Berkeley while it was at work. Most of the bike theft that happened on campus was due to bicycles being left in one spot too long. A thief will grab a wheel or a saddle and from there, the bike begins losing parts left and right, like a dead whale at the bottom of the ocean. The other thefts that happened were due to poor locks or incorrect locking. I think if the Clem were dressed down to less expensive parts and became less pretty it could work. Pitlocks, ball bearings glued into allen heads, and hose clamps all make great deterrents as does tape, stickers, and other adornments (helps save the paint too). Multiple quality U locks properly used should be enough deterrent to a casual thief. The question to your son would be if that kind of responsibility is something he is up for? One of the great things about going away to school is being immersed in the culture and having the flexibility to do new things with new people. Worrying about your bike being stolen can put a damper on those experiences. At the end of the day, if someone recognises the bike and wants to take it they will; even quality locks are easy to cut with the right tools. The good news is that the giant Clem is a very "cool" bike to most people. One additional solution is to get a pre owned or new Clem that you have less history with, won't sting as much if it does get nicked. Grant and Co. designed the Clem to be a bike one could do everything on and not be precious about. There's a metaphor here about loving something and letting it go and the freedom that comes when we separate ourselves from the items that we own but this is getting long.ChristianPhoenix, AZPS: The only things that happened to the bike while outside was people putting garbage in my basket (cups, wrappers) and someone unraveled half my bar tape which was fine because it was time for new tape anyway.   On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:53:46 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:I went to college at Cal Berkeley. My first bike in the USA, a $50 walmart special, got stolen my first year while I was attending a lecture at Warren Hall. After that pain, I never had a bike stolen again, since I learned to lock the bike properly and bring it into my house/apartment overnight. I submit that the Clem should be the second bike your son rides in college. 



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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Thanks, Steven. So I'd just need a longer M6 screw along with these 
spacers? The Touring Cantis have a 20 mm screw, so I'd need something like 
an M6x40?

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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:00:35 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:

> I recommend using spacers instead of the rack adapters.  The rack adapters 
> are heavy, and they make it annoying to adjust the brakes. I used 'Aluminum 
> Unthreaded Spacers" from McMaster-Carr do to this with a nitto rack/Paul 
> anti setup and it made it much easier to work on the brakes.
>
> You'll be able to fit a rack with adjustable stays (like Nitto M-18, F-27 
> or Rene Herse UD-2, etc) better to the bike.
>
> [image: mcmaster.png]
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
>> that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
>> Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
>> should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)
>>
>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that 
>> the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from 
>> the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
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>>
>

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[藍俊彪]

(1) Ask for Jerry at the Bicycle Outfitter. He's worked on various problems
I couldn't fix myself for years.
(2) The mechanic/wheelbuilder from Cupertino Bike Shop is now running his
own mobile bike repair: Juan Oliva
(408) 910-8040 (call or text).
(3) Dave Prion previously ran the service department at the Bicycle
Outfitter. But last time I chatted with him he's managing Apple's in-house
fleet and I can't outbid Apple.

Both/either of these people are great.

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[christian poppell]

  TL;DR

   - I disagree... Clem College Cruiser FTW!
   - Properly lock it up with multiple locks to a secure rack
   - don't leave it in one spot outside more than a day, less if the spot 
   sees high traffic
   - Revert it to stock/cheap(but cheerful) configuration
   - make it uGly to thieves, duct tape, spray paint (over the duct tape), 
   stickers, used parts. 
   - understand the responsibility of caring for a bike on campus and the 
   possibility that despite your sons best effort, it still could get stolen
   - If the thought of losing this specifc clem is too much, get a used or 
   new Clem that you don't have an emotional attachment to


Hey Leah,

I'll be a voice of dissent, I rode a precious to me bicycle through college 
(Gainesville, FL), locking it up both outside at a dorm room. on errands to 
the store, and outside the architecture building where I spent most of my 
time. Later, it spent time locked up outside the Ashby BART station in 
Berkeley while it was at work. 

Most of the bike theft that happened on campus was due to bicycles being 
left in one spot too long. A thief will grab a wheel or a saddle and from 
there, the bike begins losing parts left and right, like a dead whale at 
the bottom of the ocean. The other thefts that happened were due to poor 
locks or incorrect locking. 

I think if the Clem were dressed down to less expensive parts and became 
less pretty it could work. Pitlocks, ball bearings glued into allen heads, 
and hose clamps all make great deterrents as does tape, stickers, and other 
adornments (helps save the paint too). Multiple quality U locks properly 
used should be enough deterrent to a casual thief. The question to your son 
would be if that kind of responsibility is something he is up for? One of 
the great things about going away to school is being immersed in the 
culture and having the flexibility to do new things with new people. 
Worrying about your bike being stolen can put a damper on those 
experiences. 

At the end of the day, if someone recognises the bike and wants to take it 
they will; even quality locks are easy to cut with the right tools. The 
good news is that the giant Clem is a very "cool" bike to most people. 

One additional solution is to get a pre owned or new Clem that you have 
less history with, won't sting as much if it does get nicked. Grant and Co. 
designed the Clem to be a bike one could do everything on and not be 
precious about. 

There's a metaphor here about loving something and letting it go and the 
freedom that comes when we separate ourselves from the items that we own 
but this is getting long.

Christian
Phoenix, AZ

PS: The only things that happened to the bike while outside was people 
putting garbage in my basket (cups, wrappers) and someone unraveled half my 
bar tape which was fine because it was time for new tape anyway.   

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:53:46 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I went to college at Cal Berkeley. My first bike in the USA, a $50 walmart 
> special, got stolen my first year while I was attending a lecture at Warren 
> Hall. After that pain, I never had a bike stolen again, since I learned to 
> lock the bike properly and bring it into my house/apartment overnight. I 
> submit that the Clem should be the second bike your son rides in college. 

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[ericyue...@gmail.com]

I'm curious if anyone has a bike shop on the Peninsula they trust for 
repairs/tunes ups.  Also, what's up to whoever I saw on a Riv going the 
opposite direction (north) on Old County Saturday.  

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 11:29:08 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Ah! Sorry I've got evening plans already.
>
> I'll keep an eye out for future ride events. I just went riding with Rich 
> this morning who showed me all kinds of cool SF places. :) 
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:57 AM Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>
>> Ok all, the weekend is approaching, so I'm going to propose the 
>> following... 
>>
>> Let's start in the Mission, ride out the Wiggle and do a loop through 
>> GGP, then down OceanBeach/Great Highway to Lake Merced, then back up and 
>> through the Park and back to the Mission. It's an easy ride - I have to 
>> work at 10:30, so would ask that we meet at Dandelion Chocolate, at 16th 
>> and Alabama, depart at 8:00. When we get back, the hot chocolate will be on 
>> me. sd
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
>>> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 
>>>
>>> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
>>> anything up to ~30 miles.
>>>
>>> Diana
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
 somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
 wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>
>> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
>> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
>> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>
> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman 
> called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>
> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly 
> good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he 
> never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went 
> under.
>
> Piaw
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Piaw Na]

I went to college at Cal Berkeley. My first bike in the USA, a $50 walmart 
special, got stolen my first year while I was attending a lecture at Warren 
Hall. After that pain, I never had a bike stolen again, since I learned to 
lock the bike properly and bring it into my house/apartment overnight. I 
submit that the Clem should be the second bike your son rides in college. 

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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[Anthony Beauchemin]

The current set up I have on my Ram is 11-36 in the back with a 52-42 up 
front. I wasn't going to do the 36, but I had it and wanted to see how the 
derailleur would handle it. It works great, but I'll probably change it 
because I can't see a situation where I'll need to go that low. 

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:57:43 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's certainly my theory, but I haven't tried it with a cog that large 
> yet. I currently have a 14-28 6-speed Suntour mounted on the temporary 
> Phil+Araya rear that's there now, until I reconstruct the Phil+Mavic MA-2 
> rear that I noticed as dented when I was building up the Trek. That hub 
> will get an axle-end swap; Phil Wood apparently used longer axle ends for 
> 7-speed 126 OLD hubs than for 6-speed. I'd attempted to install one of my 
> expanding collection of Sachs-Maillard 7-speed mountain FWs (large cogs 
> ranging from 28 through 34T), but the axle end didn't push the dropout of 
> the Raleigh out far enough to clear the smallest cog.
>
> For comparison purposes, the Huret/Sachs-Huret Duopars (both the Ti 
> original. and the all-steel Eco) are rated for 36T. But I suspect that with 
> a 26-28T granny in a 5-pin chainset, a 34T cog will be sufficiently capable 
> of pulling stumps.
>
> Michael Sweatman at disraeligears.co.uk 
> 
>  
> theorizes that the Suntour 3-pulley systems can handle 38T cogs. Does 
> anyone actually make a freewheel that low? I suppose someone could 
> experiment with it in an indexed 1x system, for science.
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:30:09 AM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:
>
> So it would be g ood for a large cog, like 34T, instead of a long cage 
> deralailer ?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas tubeless?

[Patrick Moore]

My experience with non-tubeless tires and rims set up tubeless
(non-tubeless 1.35" Kojaks on non-tubeless Sun M14A rims, tubeless Furious
Freds on non-tubeless SnoCat SL rims, tubeless WTB Rangers on non-tubeless
Alex OEM rims, Monocog) is that your chances of success with non-standard
tubeless setups increases in inverse proportion to the tire pressure. I
have more experience with tubeless tires on tubeless rims.

With a tubeless tire on a tubeless rim, the tight and close-tolerance bead
fits snugly on the tubeless rim's internal shoulders, so much so that some
such tubeless tire/rims setups hold air even without sealants: ultralight
60 mm Big One on Velocity Blunt SS's.

With a non-tubeless tire you lack the tight, high-precision beads; with a
non-tubeless rim you lack the internal shoulders.

You can compensate for the first and the second with lots of tape, but
(again, IME) you are taking a chance that layers of tape make up for sloppy
beads and absence of shoulders.

In my concrete experience: Kojaks on M14As: the only thing holding the
beads to the rims was air pressure. Lose air pressure and your tires
separate from the rims. 50 to 60 psi. I rode this setup for ~200 miles and
then anxiety made me stop. Perhaps after several times this mileage the
sealant gunk around the beads would have built up to form a airtight
barrier so that a drop in pressure did not mean separate of bead and rim,
but I did not wait around to find out.

F Freds on SnoCat SLs: tighter beads and lots of tape instead of internal
rim shoulders. <25 psi. It worked fine from the first miles and I daresay
that with sealant buildup it would have been double secure, at <25 psi.

Tubeless 3" WTB Rangers on OEM 24 mm OW non-tubeless rims, ~13 psi: with
sufficient tape and sealant gunk buildup: so far, so good. I can let out
all the air and the beads stay stuck to the rims -- in the garage. Out in
the desert? I carry a tube; I carry this tube less for big holes that
sealant won't seal than for breakaway beads when the air empties from the
tubes. This has been the best of the 3 non-standard tubeless setups using 1
or both non-tubeless parts.

In summary:  Low pressure, plenty of tape, lots of OS Regular at first (to
dry and gunk up the bead/rimwall junction), then OS Endurance to prevent
huge, heavy slabs of dried sealant inside the tire: OS Endurance tends to
dry in a fine film that eventually seems to create an internal casing seal
against thorn punctures even after it has dried out.



On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 4:08 PM Jamie W  wrote:

> I remember when Stan's was first coming out/gaining popularity the rep
> came by the shop and set up a whole bunch of old rims tubeless. These were
> just any old rims kicking around the back. As mentioned the tape prevents
> air loss through the spoke drilling. Modern rims and tires have a much
> better or secure fit out the box, but again, this can be fudged with
> additional tape to build the "shelf". People have great luck with Gorilla
> tape as a cheaper alternative. I think it's good to play around with the
> system to help demystify the workings. Worse case it isn't for you on you
> need to clean a bit of tape glue.
>
> As someone without an air compressor, a helpful trick I use is to seat the
> majority of the tire on the rim before inflating. You are essentially using
> a tire lever to pretend to pull the tire out of the rim while using your
> thumb behind it to prevent it from actually popping off, therefore pulling
> the bead into the shelf or hook. Say the valve is at 12 o'clock, start at
> maybe 2 and go clockwise until at least 2/3rds of the tire is seated. The
> 1/3rd of the tire near the valve will be "loose" and sitting in the channel
> of the rim while the rest of the tire be fully set in the rim hook. I've
> had luck setting up tubeless with a hand pump using this method.
>
> I'm guessing you aren't using the hunk for bike park riding or aggressive
> low psi road ride descending. It should be fine for most riding or at least
> until new rims arrive.
> Bt I'm giving advice over the internet, so I'll add; maybe or who
> knows??
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:56:53 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> My Big Bens are nearing end of life and I’m curious about setting up my
>> Hunq tubeless. But I have Atlas rims, which Velocity says is a no-go.
>> However if you scroll through the comments on this article, John Watson
>> from the Radavist says they set up nicely:
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/
>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

I've been following this thread/discussion and it really is a bit of a 
downer. Reality bites. Theft is rampant on college campuses I guess 
although I was a commuter student (car) for most of my college years so 
didn't witness or even hear about crime on campus back in the late '80s. I 
didn't live on campus. I'm sure I was just oblivious to it.

Based on this thread I would have to lean toward the 'don't take a 
relatively expensive bicycle to college' crowd. 
Doug

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll toss this out, FWIW, which may not be much, but: for a year or so 
> (sophomore/jr years) my daughter got around campus on a longboard, compact 
> enough to haul into the lecture hall, until her project responsibilities 
> with bulky kit made it impracticable. But books fit in backpacks and the 
> campus and town are/is relatively compact (NWU, Evanston, IL).
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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[Peter Adler]

That's certainly my theory, but I haven't tried it with a cog that large 
yet. I currently have a 14-28 6-speed Suntour mounted on the temporary 
Phil+Araya rear that's there now, until I reconstruct the Phil+Mavic MA-2 
rear that I noticed as dented when I was building up the Trek. That hub 
will get an axle-end swap; Phil Wood apparently used longer axle ends for 
7-speed 126 OLD hubs than for 6-speed. I'd attempted to install one of my 
expanding collection of Sachs-Maillard 7-speed mountain FWs (large cogs 
ranging from 28 through 34T), but the axle end didn't push the dropout of 
the Raleigh out far enough to clear the smallest cog.

For comparison purposes, the Huret/Sachs-Huret Duopars (both the Ti 
original. and the all-steel Eco) are rated for 36T. But I suspect that with 
a 26-28T granny in a 5-pin chainset, a 34T cog will be sufficiently capable 
of pulling stumps.

Michael Sweatman at disraeligears.co.uk 

 
theorizes that the Suntour 3-pulley systems can handle 38T cogs. Does 
anyone actually make a freewheel that low? I suppose someone could 
experiment with it in an indexed 1x system, for science.

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:30:09 AM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:

So it would be g ood for a large cog, like 34T, instead of a long cage 
deralailer ?

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Re: [RBW] Measurement sought: headtube length of MUSA 56 cm Atlantis

[Bob]

Thank you, Nick. Can't imagine it changed that much with the move to 
Waterford.

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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:48:48 PM UTC-6 oldandin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Toyo I think, Not waterford... But this is a 26" model
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023, Bob  wrote:
>
>> If you have a MUSA 56 cm Atlantis (i.e., Waterford-built, 26" wheels) and 
>> a couple minutes to spare, would you please measure the length of the 
>> headtube and either post it here or send it to me privately?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I think Grant sent his older daughter to school in Minneapolis with a red 
Glorius. I think she made it halfway through college with it but it was 
finally stolen after she locked it to a chain link fence. 
https://bikepirates.livejournal.com/3520587.html?

I did email Grant and ask his opinion. And I really do wonder what that is, 
since he has also recently written about not being precious about a bike. 
No response yet. 

Yes, the time flies. You think you have a luxurious 18 years to love and 
enjoy them; they get more interesting and more fun every year. But suddenly 
they are 17 and threatening to graduate and exist out of eyesight, separate 
from you. He has been the best boy I ever could have dreamed up, and now 
he’s leaving and I can barely take it, so happy has he made me. I suppose 
this is why I want to send him off with the best of what I have to give. 
Even if it might be thief bait.

Crying in my coffee, starting now and ending sometime late 2024,
Leah

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 3:40:04 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The boy will think of his grandfather with nostalgia and love and think of 
> the bike with regret and bitterness because it was stolen within the first 
> 48 hours.
>
> *BUT!!!* I recall a Blahg post or posts where Grant described his 
> then-college-attending daughter's campus Clem. Why not ask Grant?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 1:55 AM Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
>> Do it!!! What a way for him to think of your father and remember him. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:56:15 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> DON'T DO IT !
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Patrick Moore]

I'll toss this out, FWIW, which may not be much, but: for a year or so
(sophomore/jr years) my daughter got around campus on a longboard, compact
enough to haul into the lecture hall, until her project responsibilities
with bulky kit made it impracticable. But books fit in backpacks and the
campus and town are/is relatively compact (NWU, Evanston, IL).

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Eric Daume]

A Clem with a dyno hub and a few accessories is a $2500 machine. That’s
pretty expensive by most any standard.

Eric

On Monday, August 7, 2023, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'm with Max on this. It's a good bike designed to be used as a
> commuter/shopper/cruiser, and not so maddeningly expensive that it can't be
> replaced* if need be.
>
> *Yes I realize this is relative and a Clem isn't cheap by 'Walmart bike'
> standards. I'm talking in terms I can relate to, i.e., my custom would be a
> huge expense to replace if lost, a Clem would be a bummer but not end of
> the world. YRMV.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> When I was a kid, I had a Specialized Ascent (?) MTB stolen from an
>> apartment complex parking "garage". I had bought that bike with my paper
>> route & other kid job money, so it really hurt! In grad school, I also had
>> an XT seatpost & Ti Flite saddle stolen from my MB2 parked in front of a
>> campus building at 8 am in the morning. In the first case, the thief
>> snipped through a simple cable. In the second case, the thief used the seat
>> quick release. These experiences taught me to use better locks and to
>> replace QRs with bolts.
>>
>> I've owned decent bikes in college and grad school, and I have worked on
>> a college campus for nearly two decades, and have parked my bike on campus.
>> When I did use my nice MTB in college, I'd take off the front wheel and
>> lock it together with the frame and rear wheel to a post. When I ride my
>> nice bike to campus now, I protect my Brooks saddle and Nitto post and Phil
>> Wood wheels with some security bolts, and use a good lock.
>>
>> But I also don't park my bike outside overnight, and I don't ride around
>> in the slush much, without cleaning the bike after the ride.
>>
>> So, I think a lot is going to depend on the kid and their particular
>> living situation, degree of awareness, and the kinds of activities they get
>> up to in college... What if they want to ride dirt roads and coffeeneur on
>> Wednesday mornings with the local bikies, instead of partying late at night
>> and going to football games? What if they want to ride down to the farmers
>> market for fresh veggies instead of eating crappy pizza 7 days a week, or
>> hit up the handmade ice cream shop downtown after a day of studying for
>> finals?.. Wouldn't it be nice to have a good bike on hand that can carry
>> some apples and books and have lights for the way back when it gets dark?
>> These bikes are meant to be used and are designed well for that.
>>
>> - Max "if it ain't got disc brakes, not many thieves will want it" in A2
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently building a bike for a good friend's son who is going off
>>> to college. It's a mid-1990s Mercian. Its going to Boston. I'm having
>>> second thoughts and thinking of just giving him the cash and telling him to
>>> buy a decent enough beater off of the local Craigslist, and having a LBS
>>> replace the chain and giving it a maintenance once over. Currently, I've
>>> installed pit locks, replacing the skewers and seat post bolt. I've also
>>> install Ezy MKS pedals that he can remove between classes and carry in his
>>> daypack. All parts are used, low to mid range and do not match. The locks
>>> and chain will be Kryptonite's New York lock standard. Heavy, yes, but
>>> probably the best available. these locks will at least frustrate would be
>>> thieves. I'm hoping that he'll be able to keep it in his dorm with him
>>> overnight.
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Saratoga, WY
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 One thing, Leah...and believe me ,no offense meant, but I know your
 penchant for pretty things If that bike goes to college, you might want
 to dial down the bling. Just sayin'. In this wicked world, it's stressful
 owning nice things. Your son SHOULD be able to ride his lovely Clem to
 college, but I would just hate to think of it being stolen  for both your
 sakes. Especially given the history of the bikeso I'm leaning into the
 nice but understated beater more and more...worked for me when I was still
 commuting before I retired. My beater was the old battle-scarred, but still
 elegant PX-10

 On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:36:41 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> This is really tough.  A lot has to do with where he is going and how
> much he will be using the bike.  Someone above said to get the lay of the
> land before deciding.  I kept my bike vertical in my dorm room, but it was
> outside and locked up when I went to work or class; even a long bike like
> his doesn't need to take up that much room (or keep it behind the bed).
> Johnny above said that the Clem L will be too long for bus racks.  I can
> attest that my 55cm Platypus is too long for bus racks and Amtrak, if he
> needs those 

[RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Bill Schaefer]

Throwing in my two cents as someone who had a bike on campus all 4 years of 
college. I always brought it into my dorm room when I was there, and just 
kept it locked outside of classes during the day. it can be a bit cramped 
in the dorm room with a bike in there, but I always made it work. Never had 
an issue with theft, but I was also at a pretty rural college (Uconn),and 
I'm sure that location plays a huge part in it. It's not the worst idea to 
send him off with a used 90's mountain bike or something similar, that 
would be much less of a blow if stolen - but I couldn't imagine being at 
school without a bike. Such an efficient way to travel everywhere.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm with Max on this. It's a good bike designed to be used as a 
> commuter/shopper/cruiser, and not so maddeningly expensive that it can't be 
> replaced* if need be. 
>
> *Yes I realize this is relative and a Clem isn't cheap by 'Walmart bike' 
> standards. I'm talking in terms I can relate to, i.e., my custom would be a 
> huge expense to replace if lost, a Clem would be a bummer but not end of 
> the world. YRMV. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>  
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> When I was a kid, I had a Specialized Ascent (?) MTB stolen from an 
>> apartment complex parking "garage". I had bought that bike with my paper 
>> route & other kid job money, so it really hurt! In grad school, I also had 
>> an XT seatpost & Ti Flite saddle stolen from my MB2 parked in front of a 
>> campus building at 8 am in the morning. In the first case, the thief 
>> snipped through a simple cable. In the second case, the thief used the seat 
>> quick release. These experiences taught me to use better locks and to 
>> replace QRs with bolts. 
>>
>> I've owned decent bikes in college and grad school, and I have worked on 
>> a college campus for nearly two decades, and have parked my bike on campus. 
>> When I did use my nice MTB in college, I'd take off the front wheel and 
>> lock it together with the frame and rear wheel to a post. When I ride my 
>> nice bike to campus now, I protect my Brooks saddle and Nitto post and Phil 
>> Wood wheels with some security bolts, and use a good lock. 
>>
>> But I also don't park my bike outside overnight, and I don't ride around 
>> in the slush much, without cleaning the bike after the ride. 
>>
>> So, I think a lot is going to depend on the kid and their particular 
>> living situation, degree of awareness, and the kinds of activities they get 
>> up to in college... What if they want to ride dirt roads and coffeeneur on 
>> Wednesday mornings with the local bikies, instead of partying late at night 
>> and going to football games? What if they want to ride down to the farmers 
>> market for fresh veggies instead of eating crappy pizza 7 days a week, or 
>> hit up the handmade ice cream shop downtown after a day of studying for 
>> finals?.. Wouldn't it be nice to have a good bike on hand that can carry 
>> some apples and books and have lights for the way back when it gets dark? 
>> These bikes are meant to be used and are designed well for that. 
>>
>> - Max "if it ain't got disc brakes, not many thieves will want it" in A2
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently building a bike for a good friend's son who is going off 
>>> to college. It's a mid-1990s Mercian. Its going to Boston. I'm having 
>>> second thoughts and thinking of just giving him the cash and telling him to 
>>> buy a decent enough beater off of the local Craigslist, and having a LBS 
>>> replace the chain and giving it a maintenance once over. Currently, I've 
>>> installed pit locks, replacing the skewers and seat post bolt. I've also 
>>> install Ezy MKS pedals that he can remove between classes and carry in his 
>>> daypack. All parts are used, low to mid range and do not match. The locks 
>>> and chain will be Kryptonite's New York lock standard. Heavy, yes, but 
>>> probably the best available. these locks will at least frustrate would be 
>>> thieves. I'm hoping that he'll be able to keep it in his dorm with him 
>>> overnight. 
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Saratoga, WY
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 One thing, Leah...and believe me ,no offense meant, but I know your 
 penchant for pretty things If that bike goes to college, you might want 
 to dial down the bling. Just sayin'. In this wicked world, it's stressful 
 owning nice things. Your son SHOULD be able to ride his lovely Clem to 
 college, but I would just hate to think of it being stolen  for both your 
 sakes. Especially given the history of the bikeso I'm leaning into the 
 nice but understated beater more and more...worked for me when I was still 
 commuting before I retired. My beater was the old battle-scarred, but 
 still 
 elegant PX-10

 On Sunday, 

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Patrick Moore]

The boy will think of his grandfather with nostalgia and love and think of
the bike with regret and bitterness because it was stolen within the first
48 hours.

*BUT!!!* I recall a Blahg post or posts where Grant described his
then-college-attending daughter's campus Clem. Why not ask Grant?



On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 1:55 AM Luke Hendrickson 
wrote:

> Do it!!! What a way for him to think of your father and remember him.
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:56:15 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> DON'T DO IT !
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Patrick Moore]

It's fast, isn't it? I recall your bike-trains to school. My baby daughter
turned 22 in June -- I told an acquaintance at church yesterday carrying
his just-churched newborn girl that in 20 years he will still be
counseling, encouraging, guiding, correcting, and paying for the child.

A Clem at college: I did some desultory research about bikes at
Northwestern (daughter) and UMich Ann Arbor (boyfriend) and in each case
theft is a real problem. Me, I'd not risk a nice Rivendell outside at even
a good university.

Back in ~2000 when I was a baby-faced 45-year-old MBA student at UNM I
commuted on a beater (*nice beater!*) fixed gear -- 1966 Bertin World
Champion or somesuch -- with decent but still entirely unfashionable wheels
and parts, but this was just before the fixie fad and the bike was weird
enough and the frame scratched and scuffed enough that no one bothered it
when locked with a Kryptonite lock. Also, I was a day student and left my
bike on the racks for only a few hours at a time in daylight.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:56 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses,
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who
> doesn’t ride, sigh).
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020,
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of
> saying…
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe,
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.”
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: FS: Cliffhanger Tandem/Cargo Wheelset

[Bones]

Wheels are sold, thanks all!

Bones

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:47:31 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Thanks all! Bones a friend may be reaching out about the wheels  cheers-
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> Appreciate the input. To clarify: the wheels will work on any frame with 
>> 100/135 spacing. I used them on my Clem for a bit and they worked great.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 6:34:29 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Tandem rear wheels typically have 145mm spacing, wider than the typical 
>>> 135mm spacing of non-tandem rear wheels, and closer to modern "fat bikes". 
>>> Some adaptation may be possible, I don't know.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:21:26 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>>
 Yes. A 56 Susie takes a 29" tire. Somebody please correct me if I am 
 wrong.

 Bones

 On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:25:56 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Sorry maybe a dumb question but would these work with QR on a 56cm 
> Susie?
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> Knew I'd miss something. 29ers!
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Bones
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bones, 
>>> What wheel size, please?
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:08:51 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I bought these from Velocity a few years ago. I replaced the front 
 hub with a Shimano dynamo. 40H rear, 36H front. Both rims have 
 machined 
 sidewalls. The rear has a bolt-on rotor mount, the front is centerlock 
 (dust cover included).They are black but they have a subtle color to 
 them, 
 can't quite explain it. I think they look cool. Hopefully the pictures 
 show 
 it. They haven't seen all that much use. Skewers included. $400 
 shipped (or 
 best offer) lower 48.

 [image: wheels01.jpg][image: wheels02.jpg][image: wheels03.jpg][image: 
 wheels04.jpg]
 Thanks,
 Bones

>>>

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[RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Joe Bernard]

I'm with Max on this. It's a good bike designed to be used as a 
commuter/shopper/cruiser, and not so maddeningly expensive that it can't be 
replaced* if need be. 

*Yes I realize this is relative and a Clem isn't cheap by 'Walmart bike' 
standards. I'm talking in terms I can relate to, i.e., my custom would be a 
huge expense to replace if lost, a Clem would be a bummer but not end of 
the world. YRMV. 

Joe Bernard 
 

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> When I was a kid, I had a Specialized Ascent (?) MTB stolen from an 
> apartment complex parking "garage". I had bought that bike with my paper 
> route & other kid job money, so it really hurt! In grad school, I also had 
> an XT seatpost & Ti Flite saddle stolen from my MB2 parked in front of a 
> campus building at 8 am in the morning. In the first case, the thief 
> snipped through a simple cable. In the second case, the thief used the seat 
> quick release. These experiences taught me to use better locks and to 
> replace QRs with bolts. 
>
> I've owned decent bikes in college and grad school, and I have worked on a 
> college campus for nearly two decades, and have parked my bike on campus. 
> When I did use my nice MTB in college, I'd take off the front wheel and 
> lock it together with the frame and rear wheel to a post. When I ride my 
> nice bike to campus now, I protect my Brooks saddle and Nitto post and Phil 
> Wood wheels with some security bolts, and use a good lock. 
>
> But I also don't park my bike outside overnight, and I don't ride around 
> in the slush much, without cleaning the bike after the ride. 
>
> So, I think a lot is going to depend on the kid and their particular 
> living situation, degree of awareness, and the kinds of activities they get 
> up to in college... What if they want to ride dirt roads and coffeeneur on 
> Wednesday mornings with the local bikies, instead of partying late at night 
> and going to football games? What if they want to ride down to the farmers 
> market for fresh veggies instead of eating crappy pizza 7 days a week, or 
> hit up the handmade ice cream shop downtown after a day of studying for 
> finals?.. Wouldn't it be nice to have a good bike on hand that can carry 
> some apples and books and have lights for the way back when it gets dark? 
> These bikes are meant to be used and are designed well for that. 
>
> - Max "if it ain't got disc brakes, not many thieves will want it" in A2
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm currently building a bike for a good friend's son who is going off to 
>> college. It's a mid-1990s Mercian. Its going to Boston. I'm having second 
>> thoughts and thinking of just giving him the cash and telling him to buy a 
>> decent enough beater off of the local Craigslist, and having a LBS replace 
>> the chain and giving it a maintenance once over. Currently, I've installed 
>> pit locks, replacing the skewers and seat post bolt. I've also install Ezy 
>> MKS pedals that he can remove between classes and carry in his daypack. All 
>> parts are used, low to mid range and do not match. The locks and chain will 
>> be Kryptonite's New York lock standard. Heavy, yes, but probably the best 
>> available. these locks will at least frustrate would be thieves. I'm hoping 
>> that he'll be able to keep it in his dorm with him overnight. 
>>
>> Russell Duncan
>> Saratoga, WY
>>
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> One thing, Leah...and believe me ,no offense meant, but I know your 
>>> penchant for pretty things If that bike goes to college, you might want 
>>> to dial down the bling. Just sayin'. In this wicked world, it's stressful 
>>> owning nice things. Your son SHOULD be able to ride his lovely Clem to 
>>> college, but I would just hate to think of it being stolen  for both your 
>>> sakes. Especially given the history of the bikeso I'm leaning into the 
>>> nice but understated beater more and more...worked for me when I was still 
>>> commuting before I retired. My beater was the old battle-scarred, but still 
>>> elegant PX-10
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:36:41 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 This is really tough.  A lot has to do with where he is going and how 
 much he will be using the bike.  Someone above said to get the lay of the 
 land before deciding.  I kept my bike vertical in my dorm room, but it was 
 outside and locked up when I went to work or class; even a long bike like 
 his doesn't need to take up that much room (or keep it behind the bed).
 Johnny above said that the Clem L will be too long for bus racks.  I can 
 attest that my 55cm Platypus is too long for bus racks and Amtrak, if he 
 needs those transportation options.  From a purely logical perspective, 
 get 
 a beater.

 However, I know you (and you'll have to ask your son).  How much joy is 
 he going to get riding a nice 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report + Film photos

[Josh C]

Too bad it was cut short but beautiful photos. 

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:14:52 AM UTC-4 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> sweet photos! keep shootin!
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:58:44 PM UTC+2 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Stephen! Will you try again for Analog's October ride? It would be great 
>> to see another Riv-person there (other than just me and Miggy).
>>
>> For the 4x4 this year, even Scott (who makes all the 5th Season bags and 
>> rides across from Central Maine to get to Analog) got picked up in White 
>> River Junction due to all the smoke, wind, and rain that was in the air 
>> that weekend...
>>
>> Adam in Maine
>>
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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[Kim H.]

Quite a remarkable derailleur. I thank you, Peter for the information that
I never knew about, when I was a huge fan of Suntour derailleurs and
freewheels for many years after the sunset of the Suntour company.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, 10:32 AM alan lavine  wrote:

> So it would be g ood for a large cog, like 34T, instead of a long cage
> deralailer ?
> Alan
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 5:21:45 AM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's to get the chain takeup of a long-cage derailleur, without the long
>> cage. A shorter cage is less likely to get bent, or to get banged against
>> rocks, roots and other debris.
>>
>> Suntour did a full model range of 3-pulley rears as a special arrangement
>> for Nishiki (early 80s?). My LBS (the late lamented Missing Link of
>> Berkeley CA) had a display in the window of their repair shop with about
>> six different models of 3-pulley derailleurs mounted on it: LePree, Honor,
>> Cyclone, XC, Mountech etc. I had a 3-pulley Mountech sitting in my parts
>> box for about a decade, waiting for a project. When I suddenly had to build
>> up a Trek 720 to replace the Raleigh International pack mule I wrecked just
>> before Christmas 2021, I was about to transfer the Huret Duopar Eco over
>> from the Raleigh when I remembered the 3-pulley, and decided to try it for
>> awhile. I've been riding it for about 18 months, and it's been perfectly
>> fine. And I've never pretzeled the pulley cage by accidentally bumping a
>> barcon and getting the derailleur in the wrong gear, which is more than I
>> can say for the Duopar Ecos; I've twisted two Huret cages that way, which
>> is why I've collected four or five of them.
>>
>> In operation, the "third" pulley at the lower front of the Suntour is a
>> secondary tension pulley; it only pulls into contact with the chain when
>> the chain is especially slack. When the chain is running loose, the second
>> pulley (primary tension pulley) at the lower rear swings backwards,
>> bringing the third pulley into contact with the chain and supporting the
>> run to the chainring better. When the chain's tension increases, the cage
>> rotates forward, disengaging the third pulley from the chain.
>>
>> Peter Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:48:25 PM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> I have one of those 3 pulley derailers also but haven't used it. What's
>> the purpose?
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: EVERYTHING! Lots of parts and tools

[Danny]

PM'ed

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-5 twowheeledtexan wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the response, I've cleared out a bunch of stuff. If 
> you've paid and haven't gotten your package or a tracking number from me, 
> either email me or just be patient I assure you it's coming, I sent out 
> close to 30 packages this week. I'm attaching an updated list of what's 
> still available, I'll take reasonable offers on anything. I also added a 
> few tools and other miscellaneous stuff. The original link for pics should 
> have it all. 
>
> I was surprised by the amount of responses for some of the items. Seems 
> like everyone wanted the Suntour thumbies and the Paul Racers. I hope you 
> all got something to bring you happiness, and I thank you all for helping 
> my family and I transition to a new life. Cheers!
>
> Aaron
>
>
> *WHAT’S LEFT*
>
>  
>
> *Threaded stems:*
>
> Nitto forged Tallux I believe 25.4x110 150mm min insertion $60
>
> Discord Fingerling 70mmx31.8  $120 
>
>  
>
> *Threadless stems:*
>
> VO 25.4x80 $25
>
> Soma 25.4x100 $20
>
> Nitto UI85EX 26x60 $80
>
> Dimension 31.8x100 $5 or free with any other purchase
>
> FSA 31.8x90 $10
>
>  
>
> *Brake levers:*
>
> Shimano BL-R550 2 sets black $30 each
>
> Sunrace no markings on them but I believe they’re the V brake model that 
> Riv used to sell $30
>
> Dia Compe short pull $10
>
> TRP RRL Black $60
>
> TRP RRL Gum $80
>
> Gevenalle GX 10 spd Shimano mtn short/long pull compatible $120
>
> Gevenalle/Retroshift 9spd Shimano short pull $110
>
>  
>
> *Brakes:*
>
> Avid, vintage I think? $80 
>
> Tektro R539 med reach $50
>
> Tektro R559 long reach $50 
>
>  
>
> *Brake pads:* All sets $5 each or free with another purchase
>
> Hayes MX-5 
>
> Sram Elixir
>
> Shimano inserts
>
>  
>
> *Shifters:*
>
> Silver downtube $40
>
> Shimano bar end pods 2 sets, one set without washers but I’ll give you the 
> dt washers shown next to them and you can file off the tabs if you want. $20 
>
> Shimano SL-M780 3x10 $30
>
>  
>
> *Derailleurs:*
>
>  
>
> Deore RD-M591 9 spd black $30
>
> Deore RD-T610 10spd $30
>
> XT RD-M772 10 spd $40
>
> Deore FD-T610 $20
>
> Claris FD-2400 clamp $20
>
>  
>
> *Handlebars:*
>
> Bosco heat treated aluminum 1 set 25.4x58 $100, 
>
> Albatross steel 1 set 25.4x 55 $60 
>
> Crust towel rack 660x26 $100
>
> Nitto noodles M177 46x26 $40
>
> Spank flare 52x31.8 $100
>
> Jones bars 1 set $50 
>
>  
>
> *Seatposts:*
>
> Whiskey No. 7 carbon 31.6x400 $40
>
> Ritchey comp 27.2x400 $20
>
> Silver unmarked prob Kalloy 27.2x250 $10
>
>  
>
> *Saddles:*
>
> Brooks B17 good condition black $100
>
> Brooks B17 more broken in black $80
>
> B17S brown $100
>
>  
>
> *Baskets:*
>
> One big one, probably like the clem basket, no struts and it’s a little 
> beat and smooshed but works fine. $15
>
>  
>
> *Cassettes:*
>
> Shimano CS5700 11-28 10spd $10
>
> Shimano HG2019 11-36 9 spd NIB $30 
>
>  
>
> *Cranks:*
>
> Sugino XD2 double 172.5mm $40
>
> Ultegra FC6800 11 spd 50x34 175mm $80
>
>  
>
> *Bags:*
>
> Sackville large almost new $160
>
> Carradice small and very used but still has life left $20
>
>  
>
> *Lights:*
>
> B IQX 2 sets, I believe the wire is uncut $120 each
>
> B secula taillights 1 stay mount $20
>
> B Eyc T Senso plus uncut wires $30 each 
>
>  
>
> *Tools:*
>
> CBP-5 Campy power torque crank adapter  $20
>
> WAG-4 Wheel alignment gauge $35
>
> Cone wrench set 13-24mm $40
>
>  
>
> *Pedals:*
>
> Shimano SPD $20
>
> Shimano road $20
>
> VP 1 sets $30  
>
>  
>
> *Miscellaneous:*
>
> Make an offer on any of this
>
>  
>
> *Chainrings:*
>
> White Industries 38T $30
>
> Silver unmarked 110x34 ramped and pinned $10
>
> Wolf Tooth 104BCD 32T $15
>
> Unmarked 74BCDx34T $10
>
> Unmarked 74BCDx30T $10
>
> Shimano 64BCDx27T $8
>
> Sugino 74BCDx24T one new, one used $15, $10
>
>  
>
> Paul Melvin single speed tensioner silver, new in box $100
>
> Campy Veloce rear derailleur black 10spd medium cage, new in box $80
>
>  
>
> I don’t remember the sizes of these BB, if you tell me what to measure I 
> will:
>
> White Industries Titanium BB $40
>
> Phil BB $35
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:00:12 PM UTC-5 Dustin wrote:
>
>> 
>> Hi, Aaron
>>
>> Congrats on the sale of the century!   If you have any of the following 
>> left, I’ll take it!
>>
>> Nitto Technomic 26x70 150mm min insert 
>>
>> Downtube boss covers and barrel adjusters
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> D in VA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2023, at 2:27 PM, twowheeledtexan  wrote:
>>
>> I'm moving and clearing out a bunch of stuff I've been hoarding. Prices 
>> are shipped, PP or Venmo, you pay the fees or friends and family. Discounts 
>> for multiple things, the more you buy the better so I don't have to ship 
>> multiple little things. If you don't like the price just make a reasonable 
>> offer. The pics should go along with the list hopefully. I'm in NW Indiana 
>> an hour from Chicago if you really wanted to come pick something up. I'll 
>> also be listing a few bikes soon. 

[RBW] Measurement sought: headtube length of MUSA 56 cm Atlantis

[Bob]

If you have a MUSA 56 cm Atlantis (i.e., Waterford-built, 26" wheels) and a 
couple minutes to spare, would you please measure the length of the 
headtube and either post it here or send it to me privately?

Thank you.

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[RBW] Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)

I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that the 
process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from the 
bosses than other cantilever brakes.

Thank you.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road 54

[Christopher Block]

Bump- price drop to $2000

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:20:50 AM UTC-4 Christopher Block wrote:

> [image: 27A41429-B3E5-442A-BB48-723554B64F7D.jpeg]Was looking for 
> freewheel, found it, Arris 7 speed, also found this” extra” derailleur that 
> came with bike, Suntour Superbe Pro (GT), RD-5800, NOS, will include with 
> sale.  Bike shifts perfectly with current setup
>
> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 12:17:32 PM UTC-4 csb wrote:
>
>> [image: 35861A98-7074-4336-BCF7-FB27C8A654DB.jpeg][image: 
>> 95968427-4DB2-4806-ADFB-95A285090FFD.jpeg]
>>
>> FS:  Rivendell Road complete bike $2750
>>
>> Second owner, original owner sold as NOS.  I may have ridden this bike 
>> possibly 300 dry miles? Beautiful glossy Joe Bell paint job.  There are two 
>> 1mm size paint defects on the left chainstay; there is a grease-stained 
>> plastic chainstay protector on the right, believe no penetration below.   
>> Scuffs on the crankarms from shoe rub.  Otherwise the frame and components 
>> are in perfect condition.  
>> I measure the bike as 20.5in seat tube, 21.5in top tube, 28in BB to top 
>> of saddle.  I’m 5’8”, 29 inseam?  As below I think was sold as 54cm frame 
>> by Rivendell.
>>
>> The bike is a Match-built burnt orange road standard with white 
>> headtube and fills, I can't remember the year! The BB ID is "R72M", 
>> with 54 on the right side of the bb shell. It has a Cyclotourist 
>> triple, 50, 40, 26, Phil Wood BB. Phil Wood hubs with a screw on 7-speed 
>> freewheel, FIR touring rims, roly poly tires. Suntour Alpha-3000 
>> deraiiluers, Kelly take-offs on the bars with indexed shifters. Nitto 
>> technomatic stem, nitto Dynamic 65 seatpost, Nitto stainless 
>> waterbottle cages. Nitto deep drop bar. Campy brake levers with 
>> hidden cables. Suntour Cyclone calipers. Of course, a honey Brooks 
>> B-72 saddle.  Included in sale is the Berthoud Saddle Bag and rack that 
>> came with the bike.  Leather on the bag looks 20 years old, but in good 
>> shape.  New bag and rack approx. $500.  I believe I have an extra NOS 
>> freewheel that came with it.
>>
>> Located in Boston area.  Will drop off at bike shop to ship at buyer’s 
>> cost.  Additional photos on request.  Didn’t exactly know how to price 
>> this, but I guess we’ll see…
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[alan lavine]

So it would be g ood for a large cog, like 34T, instead of a long cage 
deralailer ?
Alan
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 5:21:45 AM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's to get the chain takeup of a long-cage derailleur, without the long 
> cage. A shorter cage is less likely to get bent, or to get banged against 
> rocks, roots and other debris.
>
> Suntour did a full model range of 3-pulley rears as a special arrangement 
> for Nishiki (early 80s?). My LBS (the late lamented Missing Link of 
> Berkeley CA) had a display in the window of their repair shop with about 
> six different models of 3-pulley derailleurs mounted on it: LePree, Honor, 
> Cyclone, XC, Mountech etc. I had a 3-pulley Mountech sitting in my parts 
> box for about a decade, waiting for a project. When I suddenly had to build 
> up a Trek 720 to replace the Raleigh International pack mule I wrecked just 
> before Christmas 2021, I was about to transfer the Huret Duopar Eco over 
> from the Raleigh when I remembered the 3-pulley, and decided to try it for 
> awhile. I've been riding it for about 18 months, and it's been perfectly 
> fine. And I've never pretzeled the pulley cage by accidentally bumping a 
> barcon and getting the derailleur in the wrong gear, which is more than I 
> can say for the Duopar Ecos; I've twisted two Huret cages that way, which 
> is why I've collected four or five of them.
>
> In operation, the "third" pulley at the lower front of the Suntour is a 
> secondary tension pulley; it only pulls into contact with the chain when 
> the chain is especially slack. When the chain is running loose, the second 
> pulley (primary tension pulley) at the lower rear swings backwards, 
> bringing the third pulley into contact with the chain and supporting the 
> run to the chainring better. When the chain's tension increases, the cage 
> rotates forward, disengaging the third pulley from the chain.
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:48:25 PM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:
>
> I have one of those 3 pulley derailers also but haven't used it. What's 
> the purpose?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Max S]

When I was a kid, I had a Specialized Ascent (?) MTB stolen from an 
apartment complex parking "garage". I had bought that bike with my paper 
route & other kid job money, so it really hurt! In grad school, I also had 
an XT seatpost & Ti Flite saddle stolen from my MB2 parked in front of a 
campus building at 8 am in the morning. In the first case, the thief 
snipped through a simple cable. In the second case, the thief used the seat 
quick release. These experiences taught me to use better locks and to 
replace QRs with bolts. 

I've owned decent bikes in college and grad school, and I have worked on a 
college campus for nearly two decades, and have parked my bike on campus. 
When I did use my nice MTB in college, I'd take off the front wheel and 
lock it together with the frame and rear wheel to a post. When I ride my 
nice bike to campus now, I protect my Brooks saddle and Nitto post and Phil 
Wood wheels with some security bolts, and use a good lock. 

But I also don't park my bike outside overnight, and I don't ride around in 
the slush much, without cleaning the bike after the ride. 

So, I think a lot is going to depend on the kid and their particular living 
situation, degree of awareness, and the kinds of activities they get up to 
in college... What if they want to ride dirt roads and coffeeneur on 
Wednesday mornings with the local bikies, instead of partying late at night 
and going to football games? What if they want to ride down to the farmers 
market for fresh veggies instead of eating crappy pizza 7 days a week, or 
hit up the handmade ice cream shop downtown after a day of studying for 
finals?.. Wouldn't it be nice to have a good bike on hand that can carry 
some apples and books and have lights for the way back when it gets dark? 
These bikes are meant to be used and are designed well for that. 

- Max "if it ain't got disc brakes, not many thieves will want it" in A2

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm currently building a bike for a good friend's son who is going off to 
> college. It's a mid-1990s Mercian. Its going to Boston. I'm having second 
> thoughts and thinking of just giving him the cash and telling him to buy a 
> decent enough beater off of the local Craigslist, and having a LBS replace 
> the chain and giving it a maintenance once over. Currently, I've installed 
> pit locks, replacing the skewers and seat post bolt. I've also install Ezy 
> MKS pedals that he can remove between classes and carry in his daypack. All 
> parts are used, low to mid range and do not match. The locks and chain will 
> be Kryptonite's New York lock standard. Heavy, yes, but probably the best 
> available. these locks will at least frustrate would be thieves. I'm hoping 
> that he'll be able to keep it in his dorm with him overnight. 
>
> Russell Duncan
> Saratoga, WY
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>
>> One thing, Leah...and believe me ,no offense meant, but I know your 
>> penchant for pretty things If that bike goes to college, you might want 
>> to dial down the bling. Just sayin'. In this wicked world, it's stressful 
>> owning nice things. Your son SHOULD be able to ride his lovely Clem to 
>> college, but I would just hate to think of it being stolen  for both your 
>> sakes. Especially given the history of the bikeso I'm leaning into the 
>> nice but understated beater more and more...worked for me when I was still 
>> commuting before I retired. My beater was the old battle-scarred, but still 
>> elegant PX-10
>>
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:36:41 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> This is really tough.  A lot has to do with where he is going and how 
>>> much he will be using the bike.  Someone above said to get the lay of the 
>>> land before deciding.  I kept my bike vertical in my dorm room, but it was 
>>> outside and locked up when I went to work or class; even a long bike like 
>>> his doesn't need to take up that much room (or keep it behind the bed).
>>> Johnny above said that the Clem L will be too long for bus racks.  I can 
>>> attest that my 55cm Platypus is too long for bus racks and Amtrak, if he 
>>> needs those transportation options.  From a purely logical perspective, get 
>>> a beater.
>>>
>>> However, I know you (and you'll have to ask your son).  How much joy is 
>>> he going to get riding a nice bike to class and thinking of his grandfather 
>>> when he does?  How much will he be heartbroken IF the bike disappears?  If 
>>> a lot of joy, get him Dynolights so you'll know he's able to be seen, 
>>> Hexlocks on the wheel set, saddle and seat post and two really good 
>>> U-locks.  Take the bags off the bike when parked.  Teach him good and bad 
>>> ways to lock up the bike. Show him what to look for (like unbolted bike 
>>> stands and cut thru lock-to bars). Get good pictures of it and register for 
>>> it on bike registry sites.  Hide an air tag.   Just make it harder to 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Matt Beecher]

I'm sorry to say that I think it will get stolen.  I took a bike to college 
and enough parts were stolen off of it to make it unusable within the first 
year.  It wasn't even a desirable bike or parts.  

I wish you good luck if you try this.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:54:39 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college 
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, 
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up 
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, 
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I 
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the 
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of 
> saying… 
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because 
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and 
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally 
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the 
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep 
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I 
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But 
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would 
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could 
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[RichS]

I would wager Riv sells a few Roadunos based on that cool dropout. I'll 
also drink to that!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:26:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That has got to be one of the coolest dropouts I've ever seen.  Even if I 
> didn't use the Der hanger, that thing is a beaut!  The gap between that 
> upper hook and the fender boss looks like a beer bottle opener to me!  I'll 
> drink to that!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:29:22 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> [image: b79c131c-d2e4-7454-7385-657a56268f96.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:16:05 AM UTC-4 fe...@femiagbabiaka.xyz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see -- in a recent interview with PathLessPedaled he mentioned that 
>>> the bike he's riding most often is a 3x1 -- I'm now wondering if he's 
>>> testing out the new Roaduno based on what you've described.
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:15:07 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>
 Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front 
 derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing 
 with 
 track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on for 
 running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good 
 bolt-on option.
 Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)

 Mike M

 On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then what 
> makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal dropouts 
> which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, and 
>> the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I have to 
>> say, 
>> when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became suddenly 
>> interested. 
>>
>> On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 09:44:49 UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or 
>>> purple and Sergio green. 
>>>
>>> We will see!
>>>
>>> Love the idea of it,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The mid-May Blahg  
 has em 
 slated for December in purple and dark orange. 
 Mack in Alberta 

 On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd 
> ship put of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said 
> there 
> would be a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The 
> Susie's 
> don't seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  
> October?


> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:54:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Anyone got any news/updates on availability?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Russell Duncan]

I'm currently building a bike for a good friend's son who is going off to 
college. It's a mid-1990s Mercian. Its going to Boston. I'm having second 
thoughts and thinking of just giving him the cash and telling him to buy a 
decent enough beater off of the local Craigslist, and having a LBS replace 
the chain and giving it a maintenance once over. Currently, I've installed 
pit locks, replacing the skewers and seat post bolt. I've also install Ezy 
MKS pedals that he can remove between classes and carry in his daypack. All 
parts are used, low to mid range and do not match. The locks and chain will 
be Kryptonite's New York lock standard. Heavy, yes, but probably the best 
available. these locks will at least frustrate would be thieves. I'm hoping 
that he'll be able to keep it in his dorm with him overnight. 

Russell Duncan
Saratoga, WY

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:

> One thing, Leah...and believe me ,no offense meant, but I know your 
> penchant for pretty things If that bike goes to college, you might want 
> to dial down the bling. Just sayin'. In this wicked world, it's stressful 
> owning nice things. Your son SHOULD be able to ride his lovely Clem to 
> college, but I would just hate to think of it being stolen  for both your 
> sakes. Especially given the history of the bikeso I'm leaning into the 
> nice but understated beater more and more...worked for me when I was still 
> commuting before I retired. My beater was the old battle-scarred, but still 
> elegant PX-10
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:36:41 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> This is really tough.  A lot has to do with where he is going and how 
>> much he will be using the bike.  Someone above said to get the lay of the 
>> land before deciding.  I kept my bike vertical in my dorm room, but it was 
>> outside and locked up when I went to work or class; even a long bike like 
>> his doesn't need to take up that much room (or keep it behind the bed).
>> Johnny above said that the Clem L will be too long for bus racks.  I can 
>> attest that my 55cm Platypus is too long for bus racks and Amtrak, if he 
>> needs those transportation options.  From a purely logical perspective, get 
>> a beater.
>>
>> However, I know you (and you'll have to ask your son).  How much joy is 
>> he going to get riding a nice bike to class and thinking of his grandfather 
>> when he does?  How much will he be heartbroken IF the bike disappears?  If 
>> a lot of joy, get him Dynolights so you'll know he's able to be seen, 
>> Hexlocks on the wheel set, saddle and seat post and two really good 
>> U-locks.  Take the bags off the bike when parked.  Teach him good and bad 
>> ways to lock up the bike. Show him what to look for (like unbolted bike 
>> stands and cut thru lock-to bars). Get good pictures of it and register for 
>> it on bike registry sites.  Hide an air tag.   Just make it harder to 
>> steal.   
>>
>> Although I'm sure you'll be heartbroken IF the bike disappears, since it 
>> was your Dad's originally, you can physically replace it. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:54:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to 
>>> college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves 
>>> buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown 
>>> up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
>>> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>>>
>>> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 
>>> 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. 
>>> I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if 
>>> the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond 
>>> of saying… 
>>>
>>> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
>>> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
>>> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
>>> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
>>> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
>>> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
>>> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
>>> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
>>> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
>>> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
>>> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>>>
>>> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, 
>>> because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike 
>>> rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life 
>>> is totally unknown at 

[RBW] Re: FS: Cliffhanger Tandem/Cargo Wheelset

[Justin Kennedy]

Thanks all! Bones a friend may be reaching out about the wheels  cheers-

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> Appreciate the input. To clarify: the wheels will work on any frame with 
> 100/135 spacing. I used them on my Clem for a bit and they worked great.
>
> Bones
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 6:34:29 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Tandem rear wheels typically have 145mm spacing, wider than the typical 
>> 135mm spacing of non-tandem rear wheels, and closer to modern "fat bikes". 
>> Some adaptation may be possible, I don't know.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:21:26 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. A 56 Susie takes a 29" tire. Somebody please correct me if I am 
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:25:56 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Sorry maybe a dumb question but would these work with QR on a 56cm 
 Susie?

 On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> Knew I'd miss something. 29ers!
>
> Thanks, 
> Bones
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Hi Bones, 
>> What wheel size, please?
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:08:51 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I bought these from Velocity a few years ago. I replaced the front 
>>> hub with a Shimano dynamo. 40H rear, 36H front. Both rims have machined 
>>> sidewalls. The rear has a bolt-on rotor mount, the front is centerlock 
>>> (dust cover included).They are black but they have a subtle color to 
>>> them, 
>>> can't quite explain it. I think they look cool. Hopefully the pictures 
>>> show 
>>> it. They haven't seen all that much use. Skewers included. $400 shipped 
>>> (or 
>>> best offer) lower 48.
>>>
>>> [image: wheels01.jpg][image: wheels02.jpg][image: wheels03.jpg][image: 
>>> wheels04.jpg]
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report + Film photos

[Kyle Cotchett]

sweet photos! keep shootin!

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:58:44 PM UTC+2 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Stephen! Will you try again for Analog's October ride? It would be great 
> to see another Riv-person there (other than just me and Miggy).
>
> For the 4x4 this year, even Scott (who makes all the 5th Season bags and 
> rides across from Central Maine to get to Analog) got picked up in White 
> River Junction due to all the smoke, wind, and rain that was in the air 
> that weekend...
>
> Adam in Maine
>

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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[Peter Adler]

It's to get the chain takeup of a long-cage derailleur, without the long 
cage. A shorter cage is less likely to get bent, or to get banged against 
rocks, roots and other debris.

Suntour did a full model range of 3-pulley rears as a special arrangement 
for Nishiki (early 80s?). My LBS (the late lamented Missing Link of 
Berkeley CA) had a display in the window of their repair shop with about 
six different models of 3-pulley derailleurs mounted on it: LePree, Honor, 
Cyclone, XC, Mountech etc. I had a 3-pulley Mountech sitting in my parts 
box for about a decade, waiting for a project. When I suddenly had to build 
up a Trek 720 to replace the Raleigh International pack mule I wrecked just 
before Christmas 2021, I was about to transfer the Huret Duopar Eco over 
from the Raleigh when I remembered the 3-pulley, and decided to try it for 
awhile. I've been riding it for about 18 months, and it's been perfectly 
fine. And I've never pretzeled the pulley cage by accidentally bumping a 
barcon and getting the derailleur in the wrong gear, which is more than I 
can say for the Duopar Ecos; I've twisted two Huret cages that way, which 
is why I've collected four or five of them.

In operation, the "third" pulley at the lower front of the Suntour is a 
secondary tension pulley; it only pulls into contact with the chain when 
the chain is especially slack. When the chain is running loose, the second 
pulley (primary tension pulley) at the lower rear swings backwards, 
bringing the third pulley into contact with the chain and supporting the 
run to the chainring better. When the chain's tension increases, the cage 
rotates forward, disengaging the third pulley from the chain.

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:48:25 PM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:

I have one of those 3 pulley derailers also but haven't used it. What's the 
purpose?

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Roberta]

Thanks John for doing this.

That is Ana’s purple Riv and I believe that story is true. I only dream of 
a custom mixte.  
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:35:19 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Hello Roberta,
>
> Thanks for adding your pin. It is now updated. You are correct- as the map 
> is, I have to manually update it when new data is added. Care to upload a 
> photo of your beautiful purple Riv? I just read in Leah's post that your 
> bike once slid down a rock face. Ouch!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 6:48:18 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> My pin is in Philadelphia, PA!  I don't see it, so I'm guessing you 
>> either approve, or it takes a bit to update.
>>
>> Thank you, John.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:59:58 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> The Map of Riv Riders is ready!* Thanks to Dave's example of the 
>>> 'Unicycle Community Map' I've put together a similar interactive map that 
>>> Riv Riders can now populate with your location. 
>>>
>>> As mentioned, the purpose of this map is to help Riv riders find each 
>>> other, connect and plan rides.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the site:
>>>
>>> Map of Rivendell Riders 
>>> 
>>>
>>> There is a Google form registration that, once completed and manually 
>>> updated by me, will put a pin of your location on the map. 
>>>
>>> You can 'drop' this pin in a couple of ways:
>>>
>>> 1. Provide your address
>>>
>>> 2. Provide a random address in your city or town
>>>
>>> 3. Provide map coordinates (latitude, longitude)
>>>
>>> Check it out and if it seems interesting to you then register and wait 
>>> for your pin to show up. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> *I'll call it a beta version because I just learned how to connect 
>>> Google forms, maps, and sites together. Seems to work well though.
>>>
>>

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