Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[m f]

Panaracer Pro Tite for me. Found most other tires (like Gravel Kings and 
Rene Herse) good, but more aspirational about the riding I “could do” 
versus what I “really do”. I’m burned out on tan walls right now, so black 
wins for me.



On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:27:09 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> GK Slicks and Compass/RH slicks do get pinhole punctures, but tire 
> pressure and tire age are both factors. All the Compass/RH tires I've ever 
> ridden have been acquired used (I have a NIP Babyshoe Pass that I have yet 
> to try), so the tread had cured at least a little bit before I got them. I 
> have a set of Stampede Pass standards on my gofast wheelset that's rotated 
> between four road bikes; I've put at least 2000 miles on them on city 
> streets over the last 10 or so years, with two total flats. I'm typically 
> running them at around 70 PSI, give or take.
>
> Inspired by the longevity of these tires, I bought a new set of 700x35 GK 
> Slicks (the weight is officially lighter than the BJP standards and heavier 
> than the BJP extralights) for my Trek 720 pack mule, on the grounds that 
> they were structurally identical to the corresponding RHes at half the 
> price. I had ridden that tire set for about 500 miles (65-70 PSI) with one 
> flat (rode over a carpet tack standing straight up on a poorly-lit street; 
> an act of Road God), when I had a dramatic failure in a Christmas Eve night 
> debacle, with three flats from glass slivers in a single block. Once I'd 
> gotten the bike home, I stripped the GKs off for bad hoodoo, and replaced 
> them with a set of used BJPs I'd had in my parts box as a replacement for 
> the SPs on the gofast wheelset. The reliability difference was dramatic. 
> Running at the same 65-70 PSI, I rode those used RH tires for 18 months and 
> nearly 3000 miles before the next flat.
>
> Over the last few months, I've flatted three or four times on the RHes; 
> clearly, the tread has worn thin. I was discussing the issue with a 
> repairman at one of the local bike kitchens. He mentioned that GK Slicks 
> hold up fine, but it takes a while for the rubber to cure - several months, 
> or several hundred miles. Although that's in keeping with bike tire 
> traditions ("inflate your new tubulars on a rim and age them over the 
> winter" et al), it had never occurred to me that my shiny-new tires might 
> take a period of aging to be fully ready for road use. I've reinstalled the 
> GKs and put about 250 miles on them without incident. Maybe the intervening 
> 20 months has aged the rubber enough to stand up to small road hazards? 
> Fingers crossed...
>
> Peter "once bit" Adler
> Berkeley, CA
>
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:40:51 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Regarding the Gravel Kings I had the 32mm SS tires on my road bike for a 
> time and they did feel nice. My only complaint about them is the same as 
> with the smooth RH tires; they get little pinhole punctures.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Build in progress

[Eliot Balogh]

Off to a great start! Where did you get those barrel adjusters and mounting
bolts ?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:07 PM Old And In The Weeds <
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> 56cm Atlantis 2 with 26" wheels. Taking my time
> on this one!
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: FS: Men's Shower's Pass Elite 2.1 rain coat XL

[Kim H.]

The Men's Showers Pass Elite 2.1 rain coat XL has been SOLD !

Kim Hetzel. 

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 2:54:14 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I have a men's XL Showers Pass Elite 2.1 cycling rain jacket for sale. The 
> color is Golden Rod. 
>
> It is in excellent condition, except for some very light and small dirt 
> spots on the lower back side of the jacket. You can barely see it. See 
> pictures. 
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-mens-showers-pass-elite-21-rain/7667891250.html
>
> No hood.
>
> There jackets retail new over $265.00.
>
> I'm asking $100.00 shipped.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Randonneur 31.8 Ø Handlebars

[Lance Terry]

Local sale pending.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-6 Lance Terry wrote:

> How about $80 shipped to the lower U.S.
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:28:35 AM UTC-6 Lance Terry wrote:
>
>> Sorry forgot to post the width. 420's
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:08:51 AM UTC-6 Lance Terry wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nice, light interesting bars. I got them here locally but just never 
>>> used them. $80 plus 
>>> shipping from the Denver area. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/handlebars/randonneur-31-8-handlebars/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1065 Small.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1068 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_1066 Small.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_1064 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_1067 Small.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Peter Adler]

GK Slicks and Compass/RH slicks do get pinhole punctures, but tire pressure 
and tire age are both factors. All the Compass/RH tires I've ever ridden 
have been acquired used (I have a NIP Babyshoe Pass that I have yet to 
try), so the tread had cured at least a little bit before I got them. I 
have a set of Stampede Pass standards on my gofast wheelset that's rotated 
between four road bikes; I've put at least 2000 miles on them on city 
streets over the last 10 or so years, with two total flats. I'm typically 
running them at around 70 PSI, give or take.

Inspired by the longevity of these tires, I bought a new set of 700x35 GK 
Slicks (the weight is officially lighter than the BJP standards and heavier 
than the BJP extralights) for my Trek 720 pack mule, on the grounds that 
they were structurally identical to the corresponding RHes at half the 
price. I had ridden that tire set for about 500 miles (65-70 PSI) with one 
flat (rode over a carpet tack standing straight up on a poorly-lit street; 
an act of Road God), when I had a dramatic failure in a Christmas Eve night 
debacle, with three flats from glass slivers in a single block. Once I'd 
gotten the bike home, I stripped the GKs off for bad hoodoo, and replaced 
them with a set of used BJPs I'd had in my parts box as a replacement for 
the SPs on the gofast wheelset. The reliability difference was dramatic. 
Running at the same 65-70 PSI, I rode those used RH tires for 18 months and 
nearly 3000 miles before the next flat.

Over the last few months, I've flatted three or four times on the RHes; 
clearly, the tread has worn thin. I was discussing the issue with a 
repairman at one of the local bike kitchens. He mentioned that GK Slicks 
hold up fine, but it takes a while for the rubber to cure - several months, 
or several hundred miles. Although that's in keeping with bike tire 
traditions ("inflate your new tubulars on a rim and age them over the 
winter" et al), it had never occurred to me that my shiny-new tires might 
take a period of aging to be fully ready for road use. I've reinstalled the 
GKs and put about 250 miles on them without incident. Maybe the intervening 
20 months has aged the rubber enough to stand up to small road hazards? 
Fingers crossed...

Peter "once bit" Adler
Berkeley, CA

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:40:51 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

Regarding the Gravel Kings I had the 32mm SS tires on my road bike for a 
time and they did feel nice. My only complaint about them is the same as 
with the smooth RH tires; they get little pinhole punctures.

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[RBW] FS: Various vintage componentry

[Kim H.]

Both remaining Suntour Cyclone front and rear derailleurs have been SOLD.

Here is what is remaining:

I am open to your offers to all of the following: 

1.One set of used vintage white Bluemel 700C f/r fenders with an extra 
NOS Bluemel 700C white rear fender with twelve used Bluemel fender struts 
and hardware and small reflector - $80.00, plus shipping.

2.   One pair of NOS Campagnolo Nouvo Record brake levers with new 
aftermarket gum hoods. No logos on the gum hoods. - $150.00, plus shipping.

3.   Vintage used 1976 orange Eclipse Professional handlebar bag with a 
rare Eclipse “Seat-Post Thing” made of cast aluminum.  I recently machine 
washed the bag after taking out the Mylar support sleeve. I am unable to 
put it back. Maybe you can?  The bag has some wear spots and some threading 
separation. Otherwise, it is very functional. I do not have the map case. 
The original stabilizing bungees lost their elasticity over the years, thus 
I will include two small newer black bungees. I would like to sell the bag, 
bracket and the “Seat-Post Thing” altogether for $75.00, plus shipping.

4.  NIB/NOS Six speed ULTRA Suntour freewheel for 120mm OLD spacing– 14-32T 
- $120.00, plus shipping.

5. One NOS Wolber 700c 36-hole M58 clincher rim ( Outside: 22.2mm/inside: 
16.9mm)and one used Super Champion 700c 36-hole clincher rim(outside: 
21.8mm/inside: 16.9mm in good condition with side wall wear. There is no 
other label indicating that the rim is further identified as being that a 
"GENTLEMAN" rim. $50.00 for one rim, plus shipping or both for $75.00, plus 
shipping.

6. Two used Suntour double down tube cable stops in good condition - $15.00 
for the two or $10.00/each, free shipping.

Pictures here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hbT3xQwjhvAodCAk9

I accept Paypal only. Friends and family preferred. Exact shipping costs 
will be determined at the time of shipping through my local post office.

Any questions or interests feel free to email me.

Thank-you.

 

Kim Hetzel

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[RBW] FS: Men's Shower's Pass Elite 2.1 rain coat XL

[Kim H.]

 I have a men's XL Showers Pass Elite 2.1 cycling rain jacket for sale. The 
color is Golden Rod. 

It is in excellent condition, except for some very light and small dirt 
spots on the lower back side of the jacket. You can barely see it. See 
pictures. 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-mens-showers-pass-elite-21-rain/7667891250.html

No hood.

There jackets retail new over $265.00.

I'm asking $100.00 shipped.

Kim Hetzel. 

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[RBW] Men's Shower's Pass Elite 2.1 rain coat

[Kim H.]

 I have a men's XL Showers Pass Elite 2.1 cycling rain jacket for sale. The 
color is Golden Rod. 

It is in excellent condition, except for some very light and small dirt 
spots on the lower back side of the jacket. You can barely see it. See 
pictures. 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-mens-showers-pass-elite-21-rain/7667891250.html

No hood.

There jackets retail new over $265.00.

I'm asking $100.00 shipped.

Kim Hetzel. 

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[RBW] WTB: john's irish strap

[Paul Richardson]

hi there

i'm in search of two, actually--i'd like a short watermelon and the 
original color scheme before rainbow.  the muted hues.  please holler if 
you've got an extra!

thanks!
paul
takoma park, md.

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[RBW] FS: Men's Shower's Pass Elite 2.1 rain coat XL

[Kim H.]

 I have a men's XL Showers Pass Elite 2.1 cycling rain jacket for sale. The 
color is Golden Rod. 

It is in excellent condition, except for some very light and small dirt 
spots on the lower back side of the jacket. You can barely see it. See 
pictures. 

https://post.craigslist.org/manage/7667891250?action=display=display

No hood.

There jackets retail new over $265.00.

I'm asking $100.00 shipped.

Kim Hetzel. 

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tallux 90mm

[Michael Ullmer]

Anyone holding? Riv is out of stock on these.

Thanks!
Mike in Minneapolis

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[matt miller]

I've used an older version of these First Lite mittens 

 
for hunting, and they also had enough feel to operate my cameras. 
Obviously, they are expensive. My version was much cheaper! But when 
working for hours in the Dakotas and Minnesota, they were perfect and well 
worth it. Wool still works when damp, and I sometimes used just the outside 
with different liners.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The trouble with those, besides being bulky looking, is our big 
> temperature differentials. I can often leave at 9 am at 18*F and come back 
> at 50*F. I daresay that if I were riding long periods at sub 20* I'd think 
> differently.
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:54 AM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> Honestly, Bar Mitts brand neoprene pogies are so amazing that I would 
>> recommend just buying enough pairs that you can put them on each bike. Or 
>> swapping one pair between bikes as necessary (that can be complicated on 
>> the drop-bar version, depending on your cable routing). They are far beyond 
>> any gloves or mittens worn on the hands because they block the cold wind 
>> without being bulky or interfering with your handling the controls. I have 
>> fingers that are quite cold-sensitive, and I used Bar Mitts for seven years 
>> of commuting in Wisconsin winters. On the below-zero days I would only have 
>> to add a pair of minimalist knitted gloves (the kind they sell for 99 cents 
>> at the supermarket checkout.) 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Patrick Moore]

As with gearing and saddles, so with tires; tastes vary vastly. I know
experienced riders who can't be bothered to figure out their gears; if they
can find a gear that is pretty good in most riding situations, they're
happy -- they look blank when you ask them what rings and cogs they are
using. Likewise with saddles: some love B 17s, others dislike them after
much use.

I used the Big Apple for years and miles, 559 and 622, and for a very
durable and flat resistant tire they roll very well indeed. Back when I was
using up a box and a half or more (each box has 100 patches) of Remas each
year I rarely had to patch tubes in my Big Apples because they'd resist
100% of goatheads when riding on dirt and 95% (those are metaphors, not
measurements) on pavement). Recall often coming out of the bosque trails
and skimming scores if not hundreds of goatheads off f and r Big Apples
before hitting the pavement.

But the light version of the similarly sized Big One is day compared to the
Big Apple's night. Schwalbe said it was their fastest rolling tire of all,
including racing tires, back when they first came out. And: 450 digitally
honest grams for a new (new!) 622 X true 60 mm tire! Versus 900 for the BA,
800 for the "Liteskin" version.

And the RH 26 X labeled 1.25 Elk Pass, 27 to 29 mm on road width rims. I
switched to these from the very good Michelin Pro Race 4s, these in turn
better than the Conti Grands Prix of the time (funny, retrospect, the MPR4
was about like the ~2000-era Specialized 26 X 1" Turbo); sorry,  no
contest, the EP just require less effort to maintain a given cadence (and
speed) in given gears in given conditions, repeatedly over the years.

I used 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-Tourguard, light at 240 grams (a wee bit
fatter at about 30 mm vs 27-29 mm for the EPs) but tho' not bad, they rate
more or less like the 1.35" Kojaks with puncture belts, these in turn much
like the Jack Brown Greens on my 2010 Sam Hillborne; decent but the EPs are
altogether on a different level; together with the lightest Big Ones the
best rolling tires I've used (tho' I'm still trying to decide if the Soma
Supple Vitesse SL is as good or only nearly as good). The extralight Naches
Passes don't "feel" as fast-rolling as the Elk Passes but they certainly
feel faster than Kojaks or those Paselas, or than Tioga City Slickers or
Fatboys; perhaps like the Michelin Pro Race 4s and Turbos.


On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 10:31 AM Wesley  wrote:

> In fact, I think it was Grant (or maybe Sheldon Brown?) who turned me onto
> the idea that wide tires are great, especially when they're NOT knobby. For
> the past 15 years, it's been Panaracer Paselas for my road bike and
> Schwalbe Big Apple/Fat Frank for my commute/errand bike. The idea that
> there are noticeable gains to be had from tubeless or RH tires seems like
> pure hype to me, but I may be wrong. Certainly the Schwalbe tires are crazy
> heavy and that must affect my acceleration. But once I'm up to speed, I
> doubt it matters.
> -Wes
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Patrick Moore]

The trouble with those, besides being bulky looking, is our big temperature
differentials. I can often leave at 9 am at 18*F and come back at 50*F. I
daresay that if I were riding long periods at sub 20* I'd think differently.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:54 AM Wesley  wrote:

> Honestly, Bar Mitts brand neoprene pogies are so amazing that I would
> recommend just buying enough pairs that you can put them on each bike. Or
> swapping one pair between bikes as necessary (that can be complicated on
> the drop-bar version, depending on your cable routing). They are far beyond
> any gloves or mittens worn on the hands because they block the cold wind
> without being bulky or interfering with your handling the controls. I have
> fingers that are quite cold-sensitive, and I used Bar Mitts for seven years
> of commuting in Wisconsin winters. On the below-zero days I would only have
> to add a pair of minimalist knitted gloves (the kind they sell for 99 cents
> at the supermarket checkout.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Wesley]

In fact, I think it was Grant (or maybe Sheldon Brown?) who turned me onto 
the idea that wide tires are great, especially when they're NOT knobby. For 
the past 15 years, it's been Panaracer Paselas for my road bike and 
Schwalbe Big Apple/Fat Frank for my commute/errand bike. The idea that 
there are noticeable gains to be had from tubeless or RH tires seems like 
pure hype to me, but I may be wrong. Certainly the Schwalbe tires are crazy 
heavy and that must affect my acceleration. But once I'm up to speed, I 
doubt it matters.
-Wes

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 8:41:57 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I doubt that Grant was intentionally designing his bikes specifically to 
> handle better with knobbier tires. I think it's more a product of his own 
> views of how a bike should handle and the tires that were available/common 
> at the time he designed the bike. On the first point, he's written a few 
> times defending the virtues of geometric trail, perhaps as a response to 
> challenges from Jan-Heine-o-philes who wanted him to design a low trail 
> bike. On the second point, most of the tires we're discussing were nothing 
> but a twinkle in Jan Heine or Panaracer's eyes when the Rambouillet was 
> designed, and I think it probably handles best with 28-32mm road tires 
> because that was considered downright obese for a road bike at the time. 
> For the Clem, certainly that was designed closer to the contemporary golden 
> age of fat tires, but I still remember most of the prototypes wearing 
> something like a Schwalbe Big Ben, which has more of a blockier tread that 
> probably reduces pneumatic trail compared to something like an RH slick. 
>
> Jeremy Till 
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:46:34 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> You make a good point about the geometric and pneumatic trail and the 
>> possibility that Grant designed his frames around a knobbier, more general 
>> purpose, tire thus building the frames with more geometric trail. I’d love 
>> to ask Grant that question to know if it was happy coincidence that they 
>> ended up that way or if the design choice was really that intentional.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 4:22 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>>> On my Rivendells I've noticed that, irrespective of the surface I'm 
>>> riding on, I actually prefer the handling with larger knobby tires than 
>>> with larger slick tires. This is true on both my Clem H (2016, first-gen) 
>>> with 45-55mm tires and my Rambouillet (green, ~2006 as far as I can tell) 
>>> with 36-38mm tires. My explanation for this is that Grant tends to design 
>>> bikes with larger geometric trail. When you add in the pneumatic trail of 
>>> larger slick tires, the whole thing can feel harder to turn. Knobby tires 
>>> give you the same shock absorption while putting less rubber on the 
>>> pavement, thus reducing the pneumatic trail. Jan Heine has noted this 
>>> effect himself when comparing knobby and slick versions of his tires. 
>>>
>>> My Rambouillet current wears RH (actually Compass, they're a few years 
>>> old) Steilacoom 700x38 knobbies. My Clem H has 29x2.2 Specialized Fast 
>>> Traks with the "Control" casing, which is an XC-oriented MTB tire with 
>>> relatively minimal knobs that rolls well on pavement. In my experience 
>>> there is no free lunch when it comes to supple casings and flats. Certainly 
>>> the ride is better with things like the RH standard casing but my rate of 
>>> flatting from glass and thorns goes up. Sealant and tubeless haven't been 
>>> the solution, in my experience, and I run both of my Rivendells with 
>>> tubes.  
>>>
>>> Since Patrick was also mentioning them I will say that I've used both 
>>> the 700x42 and 700x38 versions of the Soma Supple Vitesse EX on my Long 
>>> Haul Trucker, which seems to handle better with large slicks than my 
>>> Rivendells. Those are good tires with an acceptable flat rate for me. I 
>>> also tried the 700x38 SL version on my Rambouillet and found that not only 
>>> did I not like the handling, but the flat rate was excessive for me. Note 
>>> that the only difference between the EX and SL Supple Vitesses is the 
>>> thickness of the tread, with the EX having thicker treads. Unlike RH and 
>>> other brands there is no difference in the casing between the lightweight 
>>> and longer wearing versions. I believe that the Shikiro is the same tread 
>>> as the Supple Vitesse EX with a heavier duty casing.  
>>>
>>> Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want 
 to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit 
 absorbed with that thought.

 At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black 
 sidewall in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 
 26” build and absolutely loved them on 

Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Drew Saunders]

My Quickbeam is wearing Riv Jack Brown 700x33.3, which I over-inflate to 
80psi so I don't have to inflate as often. It's my commuter. I should 
probably really run them at about 70psi, and fill them more often, but I'm 
lazy.

My 1999 Riv Custom was from when 700x28 were considered "fat meat" 
super-sized monster wide tires, compared to the standard 23mm. I have RH 
700x28 Chinook Pass on it now, and I think they're more like 27mm. I also 
run those at 80psi, which is a more correct pressure for them and my 
weight. I used to run Riv Rolly-Poly 700x29, which really are 29mm wide. I 
think I could probably fit 31mm tires, so if the RH "Stampede Pass" 700x32 
are also on the narrow side, they should fit. When my current tires wear 
down some more, I'll order the RH "32mm" tires and hope they fit. I've been 
quite happy with RH tires and don't get any more flats than other brands. 
Can't say they're "super supple" but they ride well. If those don't fit, 
I'll search for a pair of 30mm tires.

I have the 26x2.3" RH Humptulips Ridge on my 1998 Ibis, which is their 
dual-purpose knobby for 26" wheels. They're also nowhere near 2.3" wide. I 
had a 2.3" Bontrager on the front and a 2.1" Panaracer (Smoke, I think) on 
the back before, and these are just a wee wider than the 2.1" Panaracer. I 
find the grip to be almost as good as the "real" off-road tires, but the 
road rolling resistance is much lower. My 90's MTB is truly a "Gravel Bike" 
now!

RH slicks don't see to be all that much different to me than any other 
slick, but their dual-purpose knobby does seem very different than any 
other knobby I've ridden.

Drew

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 8:41:57 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I doubt that Grant was intentionally designing his bikes specifically to 
> handle better with knobbier tires. I think it's more a product of his own 
> views of how a bike should handle and the tires that were available/common 
> at the time he designed the bike. On the first point, he's written a few 
> times defending the virtues of geometric trail, perhaps as a response to 
> challenges from Jan-Heine-o-philes who wanted him to design a low trail 
> bike. On the second point, most of the tires we're discussing were nothing 
> but a twinkle in Jan Heine or Panaracer's eyes when the Rambouillet was 
> designed, and I think it probably handles best with 28-32mm road tires 
> because that was considered downright obese for a road bike at the time. 
> For the Clem, certainly that was designed closer to the contemporary golden 
> age of fat tires, but I still remember most of the prototypes wearing 
> something like a Schwalbe Big Ben, which has more of a blockier tread that 
> probably reduces pneumatic trail compared to something like an RH slick. 
>
> Jeremy Till 
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:46:34 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> You make a good point about the geometric and pneumatic trail and the 
>> possibility that Grant designed his frames around a knobbier, more general 
>> purpose, tire thus building the frames with more geometric trail. I’d love 
>> to ask Grant that question to know if it was happy coincidence that they 
>> ended up that way or if the design choice was really that intentional.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 4:22 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>>> On my Rivendells I've noticed that, irrespective of the surface I'm 
>>> riding on, I actually prefer the handling with larger knobby tires than 
>>> with larger slick tires. This is true on both my Clem H (2016, first-gen) 
>>> with 45-55mm tires and my Rambouillet (green, ~2006 as far as I can tell) 
>>> with 36-38mm tires. My explanation for this is that Grant tends to design 
>>> bikes with larger geometric trail. When you add in the pneumatic trail of 
>>> larger slick tires, the whole thing can feel harder to turn. Knobby tires 
>>> give you the same shock absorption while putting less rubber on the 
>>> pavement, thus reducing the pneumatic trail. Jan Heine has noted this 
>>> effect himself when comparing knobby and slick versions of his tires. 
>>>
>>> My Rambouillet current wears RH (actually Compass, they're a few years 
>>> old) Steilacoom 700x38 knobbies. My Clem H has 29x2.2 Specialized Fast 
>>> Traks with the "Control" casing, which is an XC-oriented MTB tire with 
>>> relatively minimal knobs that rolls well on pavement. In my experience 
>>> there is no free lunch when it comes to supple casings and flats. Certainly 
>>> the ride is better with things like the RH standard casing but my rate of 
>>> flatting from glass and thorns goes up. Sealant and tubeless haven't been 
>>> the solution, in my experience, and I run both of my Rivendells with 
>>> tubes.  
>>>
>>> Since Patrick was also mentioning them I will say that I've used both 
>>> the 700x42 and 700x38 versions of the Soma Supple Vitesse EX on my Long 
>>> Haul Trucker, which seems to handle better with large slicks than my 
>>> Rivendells. Those 

Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Wesley]

Honestly, Bar Mitts brand neoprene pogies are so amazing that I would 
recommend just buying enough pairs that you can put them on each bike. Or 
swapping one pair between bikes as necessary (that can be complicated on 
the drop-bar version, depending on your cable routing). They are far beyond 
any gloves or mittens worn on the hands because they block the cold wind 
without being bulky or interfering with your handling the controls. I have 
fingers that are quite cold-sensitive, and I used Bar Mitts for seven years 
of commuting in Wisconsin winters. On the below-zero days I would only have 
to add a pair of minimalist knitted gloves (the kind they sell for 99 cents 
at the supermarket checkout.) 

Bar Mitts rock.
-Wes 

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks all again. Now the problem is, there are too many damned choices. 
> My first choice would be that Gander hunters' mitten with the flip-back 
> finger cover but I can't find it online. I'll have to review the other 
> choices again, but right now (probably because I just looked at it) I'm 
> leaning at 45* toward the LLBean Goretex Primaloft mitten because, well 
> because I just looked at it, but also because it's got a bit of a gauntlet 
> but not elbow-length, and it has positive reviews from a Canadian winter 
> runner and (unless he was being sarcastic) someone who said he wore it 
> comfortably in Antartica. And it's only $70, *and *I've meant to try 
> LLBean again after decades; I used to be a good customer.
>
> Hand warmers: thanks for the suggestion, but my very cold weather rides 
> tend to be brief, if only because at 5K feet, once the sun comes up the 
> temperatures also shoot up. So an easy-on/easy off mitten with a wool 
> underglove is a good system for my riding.
>
> I'll have some winter gear for sale shortly: Very nice but slightly too 
> short Wabi Woolens LS jersey professionally and excellently retrofitted 
> with a full-length zipper; a Varusteleka heavy full-zip, high-neck sweater 
> with thumb holes but too heavy for my needs; and some Large little used PI 
> lobster mitts. Watch this space.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks all again. Now the problem is, there are too many damned choices. My
first choice would be that Gander hunters' mitten with the flip-back finger
cover but I can't find it online. I'll have to review the other choices
again, but right now (probably because I just looked at it) I'm leaning at
45* toward the LLBean Goretex Primaloft mitten because, well because I just
looked at it, but also because it's got a bit of a gauntlet but not
elbow-length, and it has positive reviews from a Canadian winter runner and
(unless he was being sarcastic) someone who said he wore it comfortably in
Antartica. And it's only $70, *and *I've meant to try LLBean again after
decades; I used to be a good customer.

Hand warmers: thanks for the suggestion, but my very cold weather rides
tend to be brief, if only because at 5K feet, once the sun comes up the
temperatures also shoot up. So an easy-on/easy off mitten with a wool
underglove is a good system for my riding.

I'll have some winter gear for sale shortly: Very nice but slightly too
short Wabi Woolens LS jersey professionally and excellently retrofitted
with a full-length zipper; a Varusteleka heavy full-zip, high-neck sweater
with thumb holes but too heavy for my needs; and some Large little used PI
lobster mitts. Watch this space.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Jeremy Till]

I doubt that Grant was intentionally designing his bikes specifically to 
handle better with knobbier tires. I think it's more a product of his own 
views of how a bike should handle and the tires that were available/common 
at the time he designed the bike. On the first point, he's written a few 
times defending the virtues of geometric trail, perhaps as a response to 
challenges from Jan-Heine-o-philes who wanted him to design a low trail 
bike. On the second point, most of the tires we're discussing were nothing 
but a twinkle in Jan Heine or Panaracer's eyes when the Rambouillet was 
designed, and I think it probably handles best with 28-32mm road tires 
because that was considered downright obese for a road bike at the time. 
For the Clem, certainly that was designed closer to the contemporary golden 
age of fat tires, but I still remember most of the prototypes wearing 
something like a Schwalbe Big Ben, which has more of a blockier tread that 
probably reduces pneumatic trail compared to something like an RH slick. 

Jeremy Till 
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:46:34 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jeremy,
>
> You make a good point about the geometric and pneumatic trail and the 
> possibility that Grant designed his frames around a knobbier, more general 
> purpose, tire thus building the frames with more geometric trail. I’d love 
> to ask Grant that question to know if it was happy coincidence that they 
> ended up that way or if the design choice was really that intentional.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 4:22 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
>> On my Rivendells I've noticed that, irrespective of the surface I'm 
>> riding on, I actually prefer the handling with larger knobby tires than 
>> with larger slick tires. This is true on both my Clem H (2016, first-gen) 
>> with 45-55mm tires and my Rambouillet (green, ~2006 as far as I can tell) 
>> with 36-38mm tires. My explanation for this is that Grant tends to design 
>> bikes with larger geometric trail. When you add in the pneumatic trail of 
>> larger slick tires, the whole thing can feel harder to turn. Knobby tires 
>> give you the same shock absorption while putting less rubber on the 
>> pavement, thus reducing the pneumatic trail. Jan Heine has noted this 
>> effect himself when comparing knobby and slick versions of his tires. 
>>
>> My Rambouillet current wears RH (actually Compass, they're a few years 
>> old) Steilacoom 700x38 knobbies. My Clem H has 29x2.2 Specialized Fast 
>> Traks with the "Control" casing, which is an XC-oriented MTB tire with 
>> relatively minimal knobs that rolls well on pavement. In my experience 
>> there is no free lunch when it comes to supple casings and flats. Certainly 
>> the ride is better with things like the RH standard casing but my rate of 
>> flatting from glass and thorns goes up. Sealant and tubeless haven't been 
>> the solution, in my experience, and I run both of my Rivendells with 
>> tubes.  
>>
>> Since Patrick was also mentioning them I will say that I've used both the 
>> 700x42 and 700x38 versions of the Soma Supple Vitesse EX on my Long Haul 
>> Trucker, which seems to handle better with large slicks than my Rivendells. 
>> Those are good tires with an acceptable flat rate for me. I also tried the 
>> 700x38 SL version on my Rambouillet and found that not only did I not like 
>> the handling, but the flat rate was excessive for me. Note that the only 
>> difference between the EX and SL Supple Vitesses is the thickness of the 
>> tread, with the EX having thicker treads. Unlike RH and other brands there 
>> is no difference in the casing between the lightweight and longer wearing 
>> versions. I believe that the Shikiro is the same tread as the Supple 
>> Vitesse EX with a heavier duty casing.  
>>
>> Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want 
>>> to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit 
>>> absorbed with that thought.
>>>
>>> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black 
>>> sidewall in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 
>>> 26” build and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the 
>>> larger size, with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I 
>>> find the tires sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 
>>> 25mm wide rim I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>>>
>>> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile 
>>> and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range 
>>> to start.
>>>
>>> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who 
>>> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and 
>>> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build 
>>> and also liked them a lot, 

Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Tom Wyland]

OK, somebody made the point about my Rene Herse 700x48s probably measuring 
small. Yes, they are more like 44mm wide on my Velocity Dyads.  For me the 
fenders always limit the tire size.  I ran 42mm tires max under my 50mm SKS 
fenders.  I just installed 63mm VO venders on my Platy and realized I 
fitted them for 44mm tires (because I thought they were 48s!).  The state 
max spec is 48mm tires with fenders for the Platy. I see that others have 
fitted 50mm tires under the VO fluted fenders. I guess I'll push my luck 
with a larger size (Gravel Kings?) when I wear out this RH set.  Hopefully 
I didn't cut down my fender stays too short.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Justin Kennedy]

I use the LL Bean buckskin chopper mittens over a pair of Riv dotty wool 
gloves. I find the mitten liner the chopper mitts come with to be TOO warm, 
in fact, and my hands sweat. (I think they're synthetic.) It's also nice to 
have some dexterity with actual gloves underneath rather than another pair 
of mittens under. You can even wear them with fingerless dottys and stay 
reasonably warm. 

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/502856?originalProduct=60315=1158101

https://www.rivbike.com/products/dotty-wool-gloves-pair

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 9:19:27 PM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bloody hell, reasonably priced gloves
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 7:18:40 PM UTC-6 Russell Duncan wrote:
>
>> I use the treasonably priced TEMRES 282-02 gloves for a variety of winter 
>> activities, including riding ATVs and snowmobiles. Good shoulder season 
>> gloves by themselves or add a wool liner. Great gloves for snow shoveling. 
>> For that shoulder season time of the year, I drop down a size. For colder 
>> weather, I use Size XL with a liner.
>>
>> https://gearjunkie.com/apparel/showa-temres-282-02-review
>>
>> Russell Duncan
>> Leverett, MA and Saratoga, WY
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:11:06 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried USB heated gloves? A friend we go riding with swears by 
>>> them in winter, though I haven't used them myself. In winter here we're 
>>> sometimes riding in temperatures of -5C or accasionally a couple of degrees 
>>> colder (somewhere around 20F). At those temperatures I find that a pair of 
>>> Roeckl lobster mitts over thin woolen gloves keep my fingers feeling OK. 
>>> For feet I have a pair of Shimano winter shoes - I think the model is MW7. 
>>> The best skullcaps for those sort of temperatures I've found, that will fit 
>>> under a helmet, are made by Vaude.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Randonneur 31.8 Ø Handlebars

[Lance Terry]

How about $80 shipped to the lower U.S.

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:28:35 AM UTC-6 Lance Terry wrote:

> Sorry forgot to post the width. 420's
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 9:08:51 AM UTC-6 Lance Terry wrote:
>
>>
>> Nice, light interesting bars. I got them here locally but just never used 
>> them. $80 plus 
>> shipping from the Denver area. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/handlebars/randonneur-31-8-handlebars/
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1065 Small.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1068 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_1066 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_1064 
>> Small.jpeg][image: IMG_1067 Small.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[greenteadrinkers]

My Hillborne is currently wearing a pair of center-slick 700 x 47 durable 
casing Teravail Washburn tires set up tubeless on Cliffhanger rims. So far 
no complaints. 

Scott
Amherst, MA

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:30:48 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here’s what I’m running:
> Gus - 27.5 x 2.5” Teravail Ehline
> Toyo Atlantis - 26” x 1.8” RH Naches Pass
>
> I’ve been super impressed with the Teravail Ehlines. Sure, it’s a burly 
> dirt / gravel tire, but they roll surprisingly fast and quiet on pavement. 
> Quieter than a set of Teravail Sparwoods that I have on another bike (those 
> buzz like crazy). I’m at just under 1,000 mi on these Ehlines and it’s been 
> mostly paved riding. The tread still looks great! I’m kinda shocked, 
> actually.
>
> On Oct 3, 2023, at 7:19 AM, exliontamer  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My bikes:
> Toyo Atlantis - 700x42 Continental Contact Speed
> Cheviot - 700x38 Blue Lug Fairweather Cruise
>
> Katie's bikes:
> Platypus - 650x42 RH Babyshoe Pass
> Roadini - 700x35 RH Bon Jon Pass
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:09:12 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> My Hillborne is currently running Panaracer ProTite 650b x 42. I've used 
>> various Protite tires over the years in 26" and 700, and find that for 
>> mixed terrain (mostly pavement, some gravel, a little single-track, and 
>> lots of urban commuting) these tires are fantastic. The same tread pattern 
>> as Paselas with good grippy tread but not knobby. I'm also a big fan of the 
>> Gravelkings and Gravelking SKs, but I find the regular Gravelkings are 
>> fairly flat-prone for city commuting, and the SKs are a bit slower on 
>> pavement.
>>
>> I absolutely love the performance of Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass tires (650 
>> x 42) but find that after about 1K miles, I start getting constant flats, 
>> and can't justify $75 for a tire that only gets that kind of mileage unless 
>> I'm just using them for touring.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want 
>>> to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit 
>>> absorbed with that thought.
>>>
>>> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black 
>>> sidewall in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 
>>> 26” build and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the 
>>> larger size, with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I 
>>> find the tires sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 
>>> 25mm wide rim I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>>>
>>> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile 
>>> and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range 
>>> to start.
>>>
>>> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who 
>>> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and 
>>> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build 
>>> and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance” 
>>> casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the 
>>> typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the 
>>> reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.
>>>
>>> The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and 
>>> Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.
>>>
>>> I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. 
>>> If you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like 
>>> (particularly 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).
>>>
>>> — Ted
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Paul rack adapters

[Brian Turner]

Rack adapters acquired! Thanks everyone!

- B

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:31:06 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Hi Ted! Thanks for the reply. I believe that's just an M6x20mm hex bolt. 
> I'm guessing Paul would send you a set if you reached out to him. I've 
> found he's pretty cool about stuff like that. Also, I could send you mine 
> and you can give me a price you'd want for your rack mounts (consider the 
> partial value of the bolts to you) if you wanted to go that route. Let me 
> know what you'd like to do!
>
> -Brian
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 1:22 PM Ted W  wrote:
>
>> Hey, Brian,
>>
>> I've got a set of these that I no longer use but I've misplaced the 
>> original bolts so I can't get rid of them until I either find them or a 
>> suitable replacement. If you, or anyone on the list, are able to help with 
>> that I'd be happy to part with them for a reasonable price.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 12:33 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> If you're sitting on a pair of these and wish to let them go, I'd be 
>>> interested! I already have one set, but need another.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Brian
>>> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Brian Turner]

Here’s what I’m running:Gus - 27.5 x 2.5” Teravail EhlineToyo Atlantis - 26” x 1.8” RH Naches PassI’ve been super impressed with the Teravail Ehlines. Sure, it’s a burly dirt / gravel tire, but they roll surprisingly fast and quiet on pavement. Quieter than a set of Teravail Sparwoods that I have on another bike (those buzz like crazy). I’m at just under 1,000 mi on these Ehlines and it’s been mostly paved riding. The tread still looks great! I’m kinda shocked, actually.On Oct 3, 2023, at 7:19 AM, exliontamer  wrote:My bikes:Toyo Atlantis - 700x42 Continental Contact SpeedCheviot - 700x38 Blue Lug Fairweather CruiseKatie's bikes:Platypus - 650x42 RH Babyshoe PassRoadini - 700x35 RH Bon Jon PassOn Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:09:12 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:My Hillborne is currently running Panaracer ProTite 650b x 42. I've used various Protite tires over the years in 26" and 700, and find that for mixed terrain (mostly pavement, some gravel, a little single-track, and lots of urban commuting) these tires are fantastic. The same tread pattern as Paselas with good grippy tread but not knobby. I'm also a big fan of the Gravelkings and Gravelking SKs, but I find the regular Gravelkings are fairly flat-prone for city commuting, and the SKs are a bit slower on pavement.I absolutely love the performance of Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass tires (650 x 42) but find that after about 1K miles, I start getting constant flats, and can't justify $75 for a tire that only gets that kind of mileage unless I'm just using them for touring.Mike MOn Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit absorbed with that thought.At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black sidewall in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 26” build and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the larger size, with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I find the tires sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 25mm wide rim I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range to start.I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance” casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. If you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like (particularly 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).— Ted




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[RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[exliontamer]

My bikes:
Toyo Atlantis - 700x42 Continental Contact Speed
Cheviot - 700x38 Blue Lug Fairweather Cruise

Katie's bikes:
Platypus - 650x42 RH Babyshoe Pass
Roadini - 700x35 RH Bon Jon Pass

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:09:12 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> My Hillborne is currently running Panaracer ProTite 650b x 42. I've used 
> various Protite tires over the years in 26" and 700, and find that for 
> mixed terrain (mostly pavement, some gravel, a little single-track, and 
> lots of urban commuting) these tires are fantastic. The same tread pattern 
> as Paselas with good grippy tread but not knobby. I'm also a big fan of the 
> Gravelkings and Gravelking SKs, but I find the regular Gravelkings are 
> fairly flat-prone for city commuting, and the SKs are a bit slower on 
> pavement.
>
> I absolutely love the performance of Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass tires (650 x 
> 42) but find that after about 1K miles, I start getting constant flats, and 
> can't justify $75 for a tire that only gets that kind of mileage unless I'm 
> just using them for touring.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want 
>> to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit 
>> absorbed with that thought.
>>
>> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black sidewall 
>> in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 26” build 
>> and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the larger size, 
>> with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I find the tires 
>> sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 25mm wide rim 
>> I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>>
>> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile 
>> and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range 
>> to start.
>>
>> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who 
>> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and 
>> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build 
>> and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance” 
>> casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the 
>> typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the 
>> reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.
>>
>> The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and 
>> Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.
>>
>> I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. 
>> If you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like 
>> (particularly 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).
>>
>> — Ted
>>
>

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