[RBW] Re: PSA: Brooks B68

[iamkeith]

Does this mean Riv can start selling the a la carte?

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 5:40:17 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Hope you guys get yours quick. I put in an order for another item a month 
> ago at tradeinn and it still hasn’t shown up. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet 
>> to ship, and it got me wanting to try it out for myself. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 4:22:12 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:
>>>
>>> Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinn 
>>> 
>>> tradeinn.com 
>>> 
>>> [image: icon-180x180.png] 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Brooks B68

[Hoch in ut]

Hope you guys get yours quick. I put in an order for another item a month 
ago at tradeinn and it still hasn’t shown up. 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet to 
> ship, and it got me wanting to try it out for myself. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 4:22:12 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:
>>
>> Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinn 
>> 
>> tradeinn.com 
>> 
>> [image: icon-180x180.png] 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Brooks B68

[Josh C]

Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet to 
ship, and it got me wanting to try it out for myself. 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 4:22:12 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:
>
> Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinn 
> 
> tradeinn.com 
> 
> [image: icon-180x180.png] 
> 
>  
> 
>
>

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[RBW] PSA: Brooks B68

[Max Faingezicht]

PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinntradeinn.com



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Re: [RBW] WTT for Nitto seat posts (lugged 26.8, 2-bolt 27.2)

[Eric Grim]

Yes, the lugged seatpost is a two bolt, and I was thinking I'd like to 
replace it with a plain aluminum S83 two-bolt seatpost.  But maybe that's 
more trouble than it's worth.  I had the idea that the fancy lugged 
seatpost looked funny on the Soma "San Marcos", but a lugged seatpost would 
look at home on the Appaloosa with its fancy lugwork.  That's all.  But if 
there isn't (and never was) a lugged S84 in 26.8mm, as Jay Lonner pointed 
out, then the whole plan kinda falls apart.  I think I should re-evaluate 
the whole plan.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 4:01:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> The lugged post is 2 bolt...unless you are looking for the S83
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 8:53:23 PM UTC-6 Eric Grim wrote:
>
>> I didn't know that, too bad.  In that case, I'd still like to trade for a 
>> two-bolt Nitto seatpost with 27.2mm diameter.
>>
>> Eric Grim (Spokane)
>>
>> owner of a Riv Appaloosa and a Soma San Marcos
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:35:51 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> I think the Nitto S84 lugged seatpost has only ever been manufactured in 
>>> 27.2mm. It’s one of the reasons that many of us are frustrated that so many 
>>> Riv models require a 26.8mm seatpost. If you’re looking for more setback 
>>> IRD is probably the way to go. 
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Eric Grim  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> WTT for seatposts: I want a Nitto lugged seatpost in 26.8mm, and a 
>>> Nitto two-bolt seatpost in 27.2.
>>>
>>> I have these parts available:
>>>
>>> Nitto lugged seatpost, 27.2mm, with light marks (I polished the inside 
>>> of the seat tube before installing it)
>>>
>>> Nitto two-bolt "frog" seatpost in 26.8mm (light marks)
>>>
>>> Nitto single-bolt U15-10N seatpost also in 26.8 (light marks)
>>>
>>> Nitto XP steel stem, brand new, never inserted
>>>
>>> Nitto XT Dirt Drop stem for 26.0 bars (light marks)
>>>
>>> Nitto RM016N "mustache" style handlebars
>>>
>>> If you happen to be a vintage drop bar enthusiast, I have a Cinelli bar 
>>> & stem set, and an old aluminum Raleigh bar & stem set. Neither of these is 
>>> in as good shape as the Nitto parts, but they're straight., and I cleaned 
>>> the sticky residue off.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Grim
>>>
>>> Spokane
>>>
>>> owner of a Riv Appaloosa and a Soma San Marcos
>>>
>>> Pics shall be taken upon request.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[James M]

Another Choco-moose lover here.  I had a set of Ortho bars from the first 
run that I sold off.  I just couldn't keep them from slipping in the stem 
on trails - so much leverage!  Switching over to a moose-style bar has been 
perfect for me - they ain't going anywhere!

James

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 9:44:18 AM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:

> I've been riding with the Choco-Moose handlebar for years and the "narrow 
> 55cm" width has been fine for on road and off. Even though in the back of 
> my mind, the general cycling community has been pushing wider handlebars. 
> This moose style handlebar has a fixed rise, reach, width and downward tilt 
> of the bars which is perfect for me. It does need a longish top tube to 
> work best.
>
> On Monday, 4 December 2023 at 17:48:44 UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all for the great input on different bars and their 
>> applications. 
>>
>> When I first tried Albatross bars on my Bleriot, I could not get 
>> comfortable with them. Fifteen years later the Albatross bars are my 
>> favorite. I use them on a 58cm LHT. 
>>
>> I recently experienced shoulder pain when I tried (much) wider upright 
>> bars. I swam long distances for decades and am now careful with my worn 
>> shoulders. Somewhere I read that it's important to keep the arms 'in the 
>> box' (i.e. within the width of the box established by the shoulders) during 
>> exercise. It seems to work very well with this scrawny six-foot-tall 
>> person. I'm fairly upright on the LHT, with the bars about 2.5" above the 
>> B68 saddle. 
>>
>> I'm curious to try some of the narrower Toscos sometime. The way the bars 
>> can be tilted so that the grips tilt toward the downtube is intriguing. No 
>> rush, but someday. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:02:28 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If you were to overlay Toscos (the 650mm version) over top of some 
>>> Orthos like that, you would find them nearly the same in just about every 
>>> way... for anyone pining for some unobtainable Ortho bars.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:46 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I am late to this party & I may not be much help but… I’ve been running 
 Bosco bars on my two bikes - a Clem & a Gus. They are pretty much perfect. 
 Except that the Gus begs to be ridden harder on singletrack than I was 
 comfortable with. After much deliberation I took a flyer & installed a 
 “Albacore” handlebar from Hope Cyclery. It’s wide @ 785. It has a forward 
 sweep before coming back & a very comfortable & confidence inspiring 50-60 
 degrees. It necessitated ditching my 90mm stem for a 35mm one. These 
 changes transformed the Gus. The part of this that might apply to your 
 situation; wide bars feel great on the trails, experimentation can be fun 
 & 
 rewarding.
 [image: image0.jpeg]
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 4, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Chris K  wrote:

 J, question about your mothbars - do you find yourself ever using 
 other hand positions?

 Intrigued by this bar but it looks like holding on anywhere but the 
 ends would be awkward with such a wide bar.

 On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:20:31 PM UTC-6 J wrote:

> I've always had problems with swept back bars, tried many over the 
> years from Riv, Velo O, Soma and the Albatross bar lasted the longest (6 
> months?) on any bike but they were never really comfortable either. 
> Everything always felt too narrow for my shoulder width and gave me neck 
> pain. I had an opportunity to try the Tumbleweed Persuader bars on my 
> hardtail, and even though the back sweep threw the fit off it still got 
> my 
> gears turning about wider swoopy bars. I widened some Albatross bars in a 
> vice and really felt like I was getting somewhere but started having 
> saddle 
> comfort issues from riding upright again, an issue I've always had. Last 
> year I got to try Ron's Ortho bars on his Atlantis and they felt 
> ridiculous 
> in the moment, but a day later I was still thinking about them. They'd 
> been 
> sold out for so long I gave up and sourced some Magic Components 
> Mothbars, 
> and they've been great! They turned an old aluminum mtb I wasn't riding 
> into a bike I'd happily take for a casual ride under 30 miles. 
>
> [image: 2xzuKpol[1].jpg]
> [image: JMRTj5Ql[1].jpg]
> [image: 6ySLdfsl[1].jpg]
> [image: TPvZVebl[1].jpg]
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:01:00 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> The Albatross is my favorite upright bar. I'm a fairly tall guy with 
>> fairly big hands and it really only has 1 1/2 hand positions for me but 
>> I 
>> love the feel of it. It's stiff enough for trails, upright enough to 
>> commute on, etc. They live on my older Toyo Atlantis. I do think the 
>> newer 
>> revisions like the Billie work a lot better for newer 

[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[James M]

I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern 
- https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has 
worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an 
adapter!

James in North Jersey

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
> model.
> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>
> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>
> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available as 
> it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist only 
> mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
> obtainable soon.
>
> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>
> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>
> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't fit 
> me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or traded 
> away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct difference in 
> the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much as I did in 
> the overall fit, shape, and design.
>
> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>

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[RBW] Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
model.
https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/

I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single rail 
model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought this 
was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find something 
of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil springs 
found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.

Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available as 
it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist only 
mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
obtainable soon.

I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.

We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
project, albeit too small and short lived.

I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't fit 
me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or traded 
away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct difference in 
the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much as I did in 
the overall fit, shape, and design.

I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[Sarah Carlson]

Minh, I love both. I have albatross on my more compact bike, but I sized up 
on my Platypus and got Billie's and it feels so spacious. People say there 
are more hand position options, but I realized I never change positions, 
but I do like to put stuff all over my handlebars so there is more space 
for that.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 11:44:41 AM UTC-8 Minh wrote:

> i"m down to a single big bike and only ride albatross but have been very 
> tempted by the billie.   this discussion always reminds me of this t-shirt 
> from blue lug. 
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/blue-lug-nitto-handlebar-t-shirt-white.html
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 9:44:18 AM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:
>
>> I've been riding with the Choco-Moose handlebar for years and the "narrow 
>> 55cm" width has been fine for on road and off. Even though in the back of 
>> my mind, the general cycling community has been pushing wider handlebars. 
>> This moose style handlebar has a fixed rise, reach, width and downward tilt 
>> of the bars which is perfect for me. It does need a longish top tube to 
>> work best.
>>
>> On Monday, 4 December 2023 at 17:48:44 UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to all for the great input on different bars and their 
>>> applications. 
>>>
>>> When I first tried Albatross bars on my Bleriot, I could not get 
>>> comfortable with them. Fifteen years later the Albatross bars are my 
>>> favorite. I use them on a 58cm LHT. 
>>>
>>> I recently experienced shoulder pain when I tried (much) wider upright 
>>> bars. I swam long distances for decades and am now careful with my worn 
>>> shoulders. Somewhere I read that it's important to keep the arms 'in the 
>>> box' (i.e. within the width of the box established by the shoulders) during 
>>> exercise. It seems to work very well with this scrawny six-foot-tall 
>>> person. I'm fairly upright on the LHT, with the bars about 2.5" above the 
>>> B68 saddle. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious to try some of the narrower Toscos sometime. The way the 
>>> bars can be tilted so that the grips tilt toward the downtube is 
>>> intriguing. No rush, but someday. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:02:28 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 If you were to overlay Toscos (the 650mm version) over top of some 
 Orthos like that, you would find them nearly the same in just about every 
 way... for anyone pining for some unobtainable Ortho bars.

 On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:46 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I am late to this party & I may not be much help but… I’ve been 
> running Bosco bars on my two bikes - a Clem & a Gus. They are pretty much 
> perfect. Except that the Gus begs to be ridden harder on singletrack than 
> I 
> was comfortable with. After much deliberation I took a flyer & installed 
> a 
> “Albacore” handlebar from Hope Cyclery. It’s wide @ 785. It has a forward 
> sweep before coming back & a very comfortable & confidence inspiring 
> 50-60 
> degrees. It necessitated ditching my 90mm stem for a 35mm one. These 
> changes transformed the Gus. The part of this that might apply to your 
> situation; wide bars feel great on the trails, experimentation can be fun 
> & 
> rewarding.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Chris K  wrote:
>
> J, question about your mothbars - do you find yourself ever using 
> other hand positions?
>
> Intrigued by this bar but it looks like holding on anywhere but the 
> ends would be awkward with such a wide bar.
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:20:31 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>
>> I've always had problems with swept back bars, tried many over the 
>> years from Riv, Velo O, Soma and the Albatross bar lasted the longest (6 
>> months?) on any bike but they were never really comfortable either. 
>> Everything always felt too narrow for my shoulder width and gave me neck 
>> pain. I had an opportunity to try the Tumbleweed Persuader bars on my 
>> hardtail, and even though the back sweep threw the fit off it still got 
>> my 
>> gears turning about wider swoopy bars. I widened some Albatross bars in 
>> a 
>> vice and really felt like I was getting somewhere but started having 
>> saddle 
>> comfort issues from riding upright again, an issue I've always had. Last 
>> year I got to try Ron's Ortho bars on his Atlantis and they felt 
>> ridiculous 
>> in the moment, but a day later I was still thinking about them. They'd 
>> been 
>> sold out for so long I gave up and sourced some Magic Components 
>> Mothbars, 
>> and they've been great! They turned an old aluminum mtb I wasn't riding 
>> into a bike I'd happily take for a casual ride under 30 miles. 
>>
>> [image: 2xzuKpol[1].jpg]
>> [image: JMRTj5Ql[1].jpg]
>> [image: 6ySLdfsl[1].jpg]
>> [image: TPvZVebl[1].jpg]
>>
>> On