[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta, this is stunning. As you know I'm kinda crazy about red hearts and 
this is the red heartest bike ever! You did an amazing job making your 
bicycle exactly as you wanted it, it's literally perfect ❤️❤️❤️

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>
> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>
> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on the 
> city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
> Homer.
>
> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>
> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>
> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in back), 
> Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires 
> are as I purchased the bike.
>
> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>
> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>
> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the hearts 
> paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta

Beautiful Betty and great report.  One suggestion, check the distance from 
the ground to the front mudflap is 4 cm or greater.   4cm is generally 
considered to the minimum distance.  Any lower increases air resistance and 
tends to pick up much more debris from the road.  The SKS safety tabs will 
protect you if the flap picks up a tree branch.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 8:40:27 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Well, I certainly am in good company with similar tastes and components.  
> Thank you for all your well wishing.  And, good wishes to you, too!
>
> This group has always been so helpful, so supportive.  It also got me into 
> colors (Leah, especially, dragged me into the brightness.)!  My first Riv, 
> which I loved riding wasn't too much to look at.  Butterscotch Appaloosa 
> with a black saddle, cork grips, black luggage.  Rode wonderfully, but I 
> think it would look more "fun" if I owned it today.
>
> Now, all I have to do is actually retire...  I think that will be in 
> 2024.  Where shall I go?  Not sure yet, but I have family in NC, so I might 
> go on another Pam Likes to Bike Ride.  Or, perhaps I'll end up in MI on a 
> Bicycle Belle Ding Ding Riv ride!  In the meantime, Betty is my daily 
> commuter bike and my main weekend ride.  
>
> Roberta 
> Philadelphia, PA
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 7:01:33 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
> wrote:
>
>> Congrats Roberta! I bought my first riv for my 40th birthday and then I 
>> bought a Jitensha Studio Ebisu for my 50th birthday. But I’ve had my eyes 
>> open for a Betty Foy for my oldest daughter. She’s not old/tall enough yet, 
>> but I’m jealous of the gem you found! I’m also jealous of your retirement. 
>>  Happy riding! 
>>
>> Best
>> Ahmed in Redwood Shores
>>
>> *Ahmed Elgasseir*
>>
>> Department Chair, Visual and Performing Arts
>>
>>
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>>
>> 1310 Bryant Street 
>> 
>>
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>> 
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>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 3:07 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It just turned out so well! Where will you go? What will you see? Maybe 
>>> you will keep a ride journal with places and miles you go on your Betty in 
>>> retirement. All the happy miles to you, and I hope to look upon this little 
>>> blue-green wonder in March at the Philly Bike Expo!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 Excellent, excellent choice.
 When I retired I also bought a Rivendell.  I’ve never regretted it.  
 Neither will you.
 Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy! 

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your Rivendell headbadges

[R. Alexis]

Nice collection. Makes me regret not getting one of those Rivendell Sheriff 
badges/pins. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 2:02:58 PM UTC-6 Eric Marth wrote:

> My smattering of Rivendell badges has recently turned into a collection. 
> Do you have badges? I'd love to see them! 
>
> We know Marty has an impressive collection and he's made a beautiful 
> print-ready poster he's shared with all of us. 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/mLyCdRjiuog/m/nqX77si_AQAJ
>
> Here's the six I've collected as displayed in my shop :o) 
>
> [image: badges small.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 2:21 PM Piaw Na  wrote:

> ... After a while [the kids] got strong enough that a tow rope hitched to
> my bike could drag them up the mountains, so I switched back to SPDs and it
> felt so good.
>

Now, a picture of this would be delightful to see, tho' I expect that
logistics mean that there are none.


> One thing about SPD is that I never got technically good enough at bunny
> hopping that I could do it without SPDs, but with SPDs I can do it all day
> any time, which is probably a silly reason to like SPDs.
>

I saved my life once long ago, using SPDs,  when I was cranking hard along
a dirt path at ~20 + mph* and suddenly came up to a wheel-size hole or
ditch. Fortunately I was able to spontaneously bunny hop it at speed,
saving both myself and my bike from a catastrophic endo.

* I was racing, or trying to race a youth on a small dirt motorcycle some
yards to my West.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Patrick Moore]

Best wishes for your prospective retirement. I hope your retirement is
early, well financed, long-lasting, and happy.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 6:40 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Well, I certainly am in good company with similar tastes and components.
> Thank you for all your well wishing.  And, good wishes to you, too!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Roberta]

Well, I certainly am in good company with similar tastes and components.  
Thank you for all your well wishing.  And, good wishes to you, too!

This group has always been so helpful, so supportive.  It also got me into 
colors (Leah, especially, dragged me into the brightness.)!  My first Riv, 
which I loved riding wasn't too much to look at.  Butterscotch Appaloosa 
with a black saddle, cork grips, black luggage.  Rode wonderfully, but I 
think it would look more "fun" if I owned it today.

Now, all I have to do is actually retire...  I think that will be in 2024.  
Where shall I go?  Not sure yet, but I have family in NC, so I might go on 
another Pam Likes to Bike Ride.  Or, perhaps I'll end up in MI on a Bicycle 
Belle Ding Ding Riv ride!  In the meantime, Betty is my daily commuter bike 
and my main weekend ride.  

Roberta 
Philadelphia, PA

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 7:01:33 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
wrote:

> Congrats Roberta! I bought my first riv for my 40th birthday and then I 
> bought a Jitensha Studio Ebisu for my 50th birthday. But I’ve had my eyes 
> open for a Betty Foy for my oldest daughter. She’s not old/tall enough yet, 
> but I’m jealous of the gem you found! I’m also jealous of your retirement. 
>  Happy riding! 
>
> Best
> Ahmed in Redwood Shores
>
> *Ahmed Elgasseir*
>
> Department Chair, Visual and Performing Arts
>
>
> *Castilleja School* 
>
> 1310 Bryant Street 
> 
>
> Palo Alto, CA 94301 
> 
>
>
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> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 3:07 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It just turned out so well! Where will you go? What will you see? Maybe 
>> you will keep a ride journal with places and miles you go on your Betty in 
>> retirement. All the happy miles to you, and I hope to look upon this little 
>> blue-green wonder in March at the Philly Bike Expo!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent, excellent choice.
>>> When I retired I also bought a Rivendell.  I’ve never regretted it.  
>>> Neither will you.
>>> Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy! 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Selling Betty Foy and Ives Gomez

[walter peseckas]

Betty has found a new home but Yves is still for sale. For anyone 
interested please send me a note and I will provide pics and other details. 
Thanks 

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:37:16 AM UTC-5 walter peseckas wrote:

> I am selling both bikes which we purchased in 2013. We hate to sell but in 
> our age biking is no longer possible. The 60 cm Ives Gomez has top of the 
> line components upgrades including White Industries hubs and bottom 
> bracket, Paul center pull brakes, Nitto front and rear racks, Bull Moose 
> handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs. The bike is in very good condition 
> with only very minor paint scratches. The 55cm Betty Foy is in superb as 
> new condition with a spare set of fenders. If anyone is interested please 
> let me know. I can send pictures. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Congrats Roberta! I bought my first riv for my 40th birthday and then I
bought a Jitensha Studio Ebisu for my 50th birthday. But I’ve had my eyes
open for a Betty Foy for my oldest daughter. She’s not old/tall enough yet,
but I’m jealous of the gem you found! I’m also jealous of your retirement.
 Happy riding!

Best
Ahmed in Redwood Shores

*Ahmed Elgasseir*

Department Chair, Visual and Performing Arts


*Castilleja School*

1310 Bryant Street


Palo Alto, CA 94301



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On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 3:07 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It just turned out so well! Where will you go? What will you see? Maybe
> you will keep a ride journal with places and miles you go on your Betty in
> retirement. All the happy miles to you, and I hope to look upon this little
> blue-green wonder in March at the Philly Bike Expo!
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Excellent, excellent choice.
>> When I retired I also bought a Rivendell.  I’ve never regretted it.
>> Neither will you.
>> Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy!
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It just turned out so well! Where will you go? What will you see? Maybe you 
will keep a ride journal with places and miles you go on your Betty in 
retirement. All the happy miles to you, and I hope to look upon this little 
blue-green wonder in March at the Philly Bike Expo!
Leah

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> Excellent, excellent choice.
> When I retired I also bought a Rivendell.  I’ve never regretted it. 
>  Neither will you.
> Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[aeroperf]

Excellent, excellent choice.
When I retired I also bought a Rivendell.  I’ve never regretted it. 
 Neither will you.
Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy! 

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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Ian A]

One of the main reasons I have ridden SPD on my bikes for distance riding 
is for the foot support SPD shoes have offered and the fact I am not 
chewing up or wearing out all my shoes and runners. For commuting, I tend 
to wear light weight hiking boots and those work great with flat pedals. I 
rarely ever wear normal shoes or runners when cycling at all now. 

IanA

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:30:21 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> If you have been riding long enough you have likely tried the myriad types 
> of retention and non-retention systems (including shoes). Keds and flats on 
> my Stingray, Avocet (I think) shoes with clips and straps on my early 80s 
> Trek, clip-ins that my 2000s cycling friends told me I "had to have". 
> Ultimately being clipped or strapped in was a no go due to the frequncy of 
> being in and out of the pedal on my mostly urban rides. I've been happily 
> pedaling free for years using MKS Grip Kings, Adidas 5/10s and William 
> Lennon leather shoes. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:06:06 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> My modern cycling (80s onward) has been all with clips and straps then 
>> clipless (SPD). 
>>
>> Weeks after buying my first MTB I coincidentally trashed my right knee 
>> (not bike related injury) and it sat unused for almost nine months. When I 
>> began riding again it was on a Minoura track stand and required clips and 
>> straps to keep my errant right foot on the pedal since it tended to float 
>> off the pedal.  In an ill-advised move, I chose to get off the stand and go 
>> outside. First on my parent's half mile dead end road, then farther. My 
>> right foot continued to require clips and straps as I regained both leg 
>> strength and proprioception. I had to become a left foot stop/prop rider 
>> after years of doing that with my right foot. As my strength recovered, I 
>>  even used Keirin double strap clips before venturing into clipless.  
>>
>> I got my cycling mojo back and then some. I rode off road  strapped in 
>> tightly and had a cat like left hand swat to loosen the buckle of my on/off 
>> foot strap. I became discriminating about shoes as the tightened buckles 
>> would wear into the uppers quickly. When adopting SPDs I learned how 
>> important the show pedal interface was and how critical fit was.
>>
>> I've been SPD since their distribution began, best for me with Sidi 
>> Dominators. My love of fine clip and strap pedals waned despite my history 
>> and return to cycling because of them. My last pair were an XC Comp-bodied, 
>> Superbe Pro track-caged set that came on my MB-0, traded to (and perhaps 
>> the ones mentioned by) Patrick. 
>>
>> The shoes matter much, they dictate the alignment to the pedals when 
>> clipped in so if your foot isn't in them well, the pedals won't . I 
>> strongly agree with the BQ "Icons" selection of the Sidi Dominators. They 
>> fit me, my foot is in the right place on my SPDs with the right amount of 
>> movement for all of my riding. It's just how I roll. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
>>> out-of-context judgment.
>>>
>>> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
>>> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
>>> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>>>
>>> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
>>> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
>>> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
>>> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
>>> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
>>> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
>>> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
>>> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
>>> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
>>> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
>>> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
>>> mechanism). 
>>>
>>> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention 
>>> shoes but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find 
>>> the right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
>>> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
>>> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
>>> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
>>> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>>>
>>> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard 
>>> to give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger 

[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[RichS]

If you have been riding long enough you have likely tried the myriad types 
of retention and non-retention systems (including shoes). Keds and flats on 
my Stingray, Avocet (I think) shoes with clips and straps on my early 80s 
Trek, clip-ins that my 2000s cycling friends told me I "had to have". 
Ultimately being clipped or strapped in was a no go due to the frequncy of 
being in and out of the pedal on my mostly urban rides. I've been happily 
pedaling free for years using MKS Grip Kings, Adidas 5/10s and William 
Lennon leather shoes. 

Best,
Rich in ATL
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:06:06 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> My modern cycling (80s onward) has been all with clips and straps then 
> clipless (SPD). 
>
> Weeks after buying my first MTB I coincidentally trashed my right knee 
> (not bike related injury) and it sat unused for almost nine months. When I 
> began riding again it was on a Minoura track stand and required clips and 
> straps to keep my errant right foot on the pedal since it tended to float 
> off the pedal.  In an ill-advised move, I chose to get off the stand and go 
> outside. First on my parent's half mile dead end road, then farther. My 
> right foot continued to require clips and straps as I regained both leg 
> strength and proprioception. I had to become a left foot stop/prop rider 
> after years of doing that with my right foot. As my strength recovered, I 
>  even used Keirin double strap clips before venturing into clipless.  
>
> I got my cycling mojo back and then some. I rode off road  strapped in 
> tightly and had a cat like left hand swat to loosen the buckle of my on/off 
> foot strap. I became discriminating about shoes as the tightened buckles 
> would wear into the uppers quickly. When adopting SPDs I learned how 
> important the show pedal interface was and how critical fit was.
>
> I've been SPD since their distribution began, best for me with Sidi 
> Dominators. My love of fine clip and strap pedals waned despite my history 
> and return to cycling because of them. My last pair were an XC Comp-bodied, 
> Superbe Pro track-caged set that came on my MB-0, traded to (and perhaps 
> the ones mentioned by) Patrick. 
>
> The shoes matter much, they dictate the alignment to the pedals when 
> clipped in so if your foot isn't in them well, the pedals won't . I 
> strongly agree with the BQ "Icons" selection of the Sidi Dominators. They 
> fit me, my foot is in the right place on my SPDs with the right amount of 
> movement for all of my riding. It's just how I roll. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
>> out-of-context judgment.
>>
>> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
>> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
>> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>>
>> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
>> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
>> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
>> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
>> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
>> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
>> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
>> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
>> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
>> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
>> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
>> mechanism). 
>>
>> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention 
>> shoes but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find 
>> the right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
>> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
>> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
>> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
>> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>>
>> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard 
>> to give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of 
>> my riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
>> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>>
>> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
>> them.
>>
>> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Piaw Na]

I've been riding SPDs since the mid 1990s when they finally became 
affordable. On my tandem/triplet we had one crash caused my the too long 
for my kid toe strap getting caught in the timing ring. After that I got 
SPD click'r pedals for my kids and they've been riding clipless SPDs since. 
(The hard part was getting SPD shoes small enough for them --- I ended up 
buying the first few pairs used from other cycling families) 

I went to flat pedals for about a year on the MTB --- this was a period 
when I had to get off my bike every so often, run down to the kids and push 
them up the mountain. After a while they got strong enough that a tow rope 
hitched to my bike could drag them up the mountains, so I switched back to 
SPDs and it felt so good.

One thing about SPD is that I never got technically good enough at bunny 
hopping that I could do it without SPDs, but with SPDs I can do it all day 
any time, which is probably a silly reason to like SPDs. And no, my kids 
and I aren't good enough to bunny hop the tandem.

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 6:06:06 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> My modern cycling (80s onward) has been all with clips and straps then 
> clipless (SPD). 
>
> Weeks after buying my first MTB I coincidentally trashed my right knee 
> (not bike related injury) and it sat unused for almost nine months. When I 
> began riding again it was on a Minoura track stand and required clips and 
> straps to keep my errant right foot on the pedal since it tended to float 
> off the pedal.  In an ill-advised move, I chose to get off the stand and go 
> outside. First on my parent's half mile dead end road, then farther. My 
> right foot continued to require clips and straps as I regained both leg 
> strength and proprioception. I had to become a left foot stop/prop rider 
> after years of doing that with my right foot. As my strength recovered, I 
>  even used Keirin double strap clips before venturing into clipless.  
>
> I got my cycling mojo back and then some. I rode off road  strapped in 
> tightly and had a cat like left hand swat to loosen the buckle of my on/off 
> foot strap. I became discriminating about shoes as the tightened buckles 
> would wear into the uppers quickly. When adopting SPDs I learned how 
> important the show pedal interface was and how critical fit was.
>
> I've been SPD since their distribution began, best for me with Sidi 
> Dominators. My love of fine clip and strap pedals waned despite my history 
> and return to cycling because of them. My last pair were an XC Comp-bodied, 
> Superbe Pro track-caged set that came on my MB-0, traded to (and perhaps 
> the ones mentioned by) Patrick. 
>
> The shoes matter much, they dictate the alignment to the pedals when 
> clipped in so if your foot isn't in them well, the pedals won't . I 
> strongly agree with the BQ "Icons" selection of the Sidi Dominators. They 
> fit me, my foot is in the right place on my SPDs with the right amount of 
> movement for all of my riding. It's just how I roll. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
>> out-of-context judgment.
>>
>> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
>> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
>> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>>
>> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
>> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
>> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
>> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
>> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
>> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
>> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
>> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
>> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
>> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
>> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
>> mechanism). 
>>
>> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention 
>> shoes but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find 
>> the right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
>> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
>> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
>> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
>> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>>
>> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard 
>> to give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of 
>> my riding is on fixed drivetrains, 

Re: [RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Piaw Na]

11t sprockets are not useless when you have a 1x drivetrain. I use my 11t 
on the tandem (38t chainring) and on my single (40t chainring). They don't 
get used frequently (which is good, since they'd wear out quickly 
otherwise), but once in a while they get used, which wasn't the case back 
when I had a triple with 24/39/50 up front.

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:39:23 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> There's nothing wrong with simply not using the 11t cog you know :) 
> Conversely, , I think 11t cogs are worthless myself. I'd rather ride a 
> larger ring and a larger 12t or 13t cog. Anyone that rides big rings and 
> big cogs knows how sweet that feels. It doesn't have to be a 53t, a 46t-52t 
> is fine.  Or get yourself some 7sp FW hubs and ride a 13-32, 14-34 or 13-28 
> FW. I find it funny that only FW's offer usable and rideable gears these 
> days. The Sunrace 14-34 has a nice 14/16/18/21/24/28/34 progression. A 
> 53/14 is still a big gear for most people in most conditions. That's just 
> me though, as I never got the memo about more than 7 cogs being a good 
> idea. 
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> A 53 *can* be perfectly useful if you use something like a 15-25 or 26 9 
>> speed as I once did, tho' in my case I used a "compact" double, 52 X 38. 
>> That gave me a closely spaced range from 94 down to about 40" with cruising 
>> gears in the middle: 78/74/70 --- well, the cruising gears were really the 
>> 74" and the 70', but close enough.
>>
>> The 52/38 X 15-25 replaced an also-very-nice TA 42/28 or so X 12-23 or 
>> somesuch, replaced because I thought that the DA 7410 cranks is one of the 
>> prettiest ever made.
>>
>> I got the cogs for this custom cassette from Miche. I think I've read 
>> that "junior" racing cassettes start with the 15t.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> I think the reason folks are "giving away" their 53/39 cranksets is that 
>>> the 53 is useless.  A 53x11 is good for one thing: pedaling at >>45MPH.  
>>> For those of us who only reach 45MPH on steep descents, that's a useless 
>>> gear.  I'd just unbolt the 53, lose the front der, and run the bike as a 
>>> 1x9 with a 39 tooth ring and 11-36 in back.  That would do everything I 
>>> would need to do on a light road bike.  My absolute max I ever go to on my 
>>> builds is a 4:1 top gear.  That used to be a 52x13, then it was a 48x12, 
>>> and now it's a 44x11.  44/28 with an 11-36 would be sensational.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
 Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
 shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.

 I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
 cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
 for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 
 or 
 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
 offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
 in the 20s. 

 I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
 even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road 
 bikes/CX 
 bikes in the past.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[RichS]

Good score Roberta! Bettys are one of my favorite Rivendells.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>
> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>
> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on the 
> city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
> Homer.
>
> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>
> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>
> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in back), 
> Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires 
> are as I purchased the bike.
>
> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>
> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>
> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the hearts 
> paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Garth]

There's nothing wrong with simply not using the 11t cog you know :) 
Conversely, , I think 11t cogs are worthless myself. I'd rather ride a 
larger ring and a larger 12t or 13t cog. Anyone that rides big rings and 
big cogs knows how sweet that feels. It doesn't have to be a 53t, a 46t-52t 
is fine.  Or get yourself some 7sp FW hubs and ride a 13-32, 14-34 or 13-28 
FW. I find it funny that only FW's offer usable and rideable gears these 
days. The Sunrace 14-34 has a nice 14/16/18/21/24/28/34 progression. A 
53/14 is still a big gear for most people in most conditions. That's just 
me though, as I never got the memo about more than 7 cogs being a good 
idea. 
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> A 53 *can* be perfectly useful if you use something like a 15-25 or 26 9 
> speed as I once did, tho' in my case I used a "compact" double, 52 X 38. 
> That gave me a closely spaced range from 94 down to about 40" with cruising 
> gears in the middle: 78/74/70 --- well, the cruising gears were really the 
> 74" and the 70', but close enough.
>
> The 52/38 X 15-25 replaced an also-very-nice TA 42/28 or so X 12-23 or 
> somesuch, replaced because I thought that the DA 7410 cranks is one of the 
> prettiest ever made.
>
> I got the cogs for this custom cassette from Miche. I think I've read that 
> "junior" racing cassettes start with the 15t.
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I think the reason folks are "giving away" their 53/39 cranksets is that 
>> the 53 is useless.  A 53x11 is good for one thing: pedaling at >>45MPH.  
>> For those of us who only reach 45MPH on steep descents, that's a useless 
>> gear.  I'd just unbolt the 53, lose the front der, and run the bike as a 
>> 1x9 with a 39 tooth ring and 11-36 in back.  That would do everything I 
>> would need to do on a light road bike.  My absolute max I ever go to on my 
>> builds is a 4:1 top gear.  That used to be a 52x13, then it was a 48x12, 
>> and now it's a 44x11.  44/28 with an 11-36 would be sensational.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
>>> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
>>> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>>>
>>> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
>>> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
>>> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
>>> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
>>> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
>>> in the 20s. 
>>>
>>> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
>>> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
>>> bikes in the past.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Tony Lockhart]

Fantastic bike, Roberta. What a great way to kick off your retirement. The 
whole setup is just smart; so much utility. Great choice in components and 
accessories!

Tony

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:53:29 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:

> Absolutely wonderful! You are inspired...and inspiring...have fun:)
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:21 AM JohnS  wrote:
>
>> Hello Roberta,
>>
>> I love the painted hearts, hearts on the mud flags and the other red 
>> accents you've added to your Betty. They all add a bit of whimsy to the 
>> bike that made me smile. Should be a great bike to ride. I find that my 
>> Crust Lightning Bolt canti with 650b x 42 tires is my favorite for it's 
>> versatility and comfort.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-5 thalasin wrote:
>>
>>> That mudflap is spectacular! Beautiful bike and thanks for sharing the 
>>> story.
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ROADINI in South Pasadena

[Tony Lockhart]

Last post for the intro...promise! 


SAM BUILD
After purchasing parts last week, I set this bike up as a 2x8 flat bar 
build with Swift Industries bags and a Wald basket. This is will be for 
biking with family, getting in fitness rides, doing grocery shopping, 
coffee outside vibes, and running errands around town. Heckmaybe even 
some fenders and a kickstand.

LEO BUILD
This will be a 3x8 drop bar build set up for 40-60ish mile road rides on 
the weekend. It'll use an old set of OpenPro/Ultegra with some Panaracers 
Pasellas. In terms of luggage, it'll get a Swift Industries Kestral mounted 
to a Velo Orange decalleur and a tool roll under the saddle. Might be cool 
as a Rando bike but free time in the saddle is limited at this point in my 
life.


Please stay tuned if you have any interest in seeing a comfy road build 
take shape. I'll definitely share insights during and after the build, 
especially as I get acclimated to the new bike. Cheers and Happy New Year!

Tony






On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> At any rate, the numbers between both frames look pretty similar. Seems 
> like the chainstay on the Leo is 1.7cm shorter than the Sam and the HT/ST 
> angles have a 0.5 degree variation. My guess is that both will feel pretty 
> neutral in handling and I fully expect any Riv to ride amazingly, so I'm 
> not that worried about it. Given the difference in tire size, and lack of 
> luggage on the Roadini, I expect it to feel zippier than my trusty Sam.
> [image: IMG_2718.jpeg]
> *Parts Bin*
> So, I've been building an admirable collection of parts over the years and 
> I finally accumulated enough to build a second bike. Here's a screenshot of 
> the spreadsheet I made to help determine which parts to buy, indicated in 
> yellow highlighting.
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-12-26 at 10.26.45 AM.png]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Patrick Moore]

A 53 *can* be perfectly useful if you use something like a 15-25 or 26 9
speed as I once did, tho' in my case I used a "compact" double, 52 X 38.
That gave me a closely spaced range from 94 down to about 40" with cruising
gears in the middle: 78/74/70 --- well, the cruising gears were really the
74" and the 70', but close enough.

The 52/38 X 15-25 replaced an also-very-nice TA 42/28 or so X 12-23 or
somesuch, replaced because I thought that the DA 7410 cranks is one of the
prettiest ever made.

I got the cogs for this custom cassette from Miche. I think I've read that
"junior" racing cassettes start with the 15t.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I think the reason folks are "giving away" their 53/39 cranksets is that
> the 53 is useless.  A 53x11 is good for one thing: pedaling at >>45MPH.
> For those of us who only reach 45MPH on steep descents, that's a useless
> gear.  I'd just unbolt the 53, lose the front der, and run the bike as a
> 1x9 with a 39 tooth ring and 11-36 in back.  That would do everything I
> would need to do on a light road bike.  My absolute max I ever go to on my
> builds is a 4:1 top gear.  That used to be a 52x13, then it was a 48x12,
> and now it's a 44x11.  44/28 with an 11-36 would be sensational.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build.
>> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice
>> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>>
>> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small
>> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions
>> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or
>> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't
>> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are
>> in the 20s.
>>
>> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring,
>> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX
>> bikes in the past.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Bill Lindsay]

I think the reason folks are "giving away" their 53/39 cranksets is that 
the 53 is useless.  A 53x11 is good for one thing: pedaling at >>45MPH. 
 For those of us who only reach 45MPH on steep descents, that's a useless 
gear.  I'd just unbolt the 53, lose the front der, and run the bike as a 
1x9 with a 39 tooth ring and 11-36 in back.  That would do everything I 
would need to do on a light road bike.  My absolute max I ever go to on my 
builds is a 4:1 top gear.  That used to be a 52x13, then it was a 48x12, 
and now it's a 44x11.  44/28 with an 11-36 would be sensational.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>
> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
> in the 20s. 
>
> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
> bikes in the past.
>

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[RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Joe Bernard]

The only theoretical concern I can think of is you may get some skating 
between front rings from a 9-spd chain on cranks spaced for 6/7/8-spd. But 
in reality - assuming front friction shifting - you'll just make sure 
you're shoving that chain over properly and all will be well. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>
> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
> in the 20s. 
>
> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
> bikes in the past.
>

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[RBW] 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Brenton Eastman]

Hi,

I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.

I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
in the 20s. 

I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, even 
on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
bikes in the past.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Sally Bidleman]

Absolutely wonderful! You are inspired...and inspiring...have fun:)

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:21 AM JohnS  wrote:

> Hello Roberta,
>
> I love the painted hearts, hearts on the mud flags and the other red
> accents you've added to your Betty. They all add a bit of whimsy to the
> bike that made me smile. Should be a great bike to ride. I find that my
> Crust Lightning Bolt canti with 650b x 42 tires is my favorite for it's
> versatility and comfort.
>
> Happy Holidays,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-5 thalasin wrote:
>
>> That mudflap is spectacular! Beautiful bike and thanks for sharing the
>> story.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[JohnS]

Hello Roberta,

I love the painted hearts, hearts on the mud flags and the other red 
accents you've added to your Betty. They all add a bit of whimsy to the 
bike that made me smile. Should be a great bike to ride. I find that my 
Crust Lightning Bolt canti with 650b x 42 tires is my favorite for it's 
versatility and comfort.

Happy Holidays,
JohnS


On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-5 thalasin wrote:

> That mudflap is spectacular! Beautiful bike and thanks for sharing the 
> story.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

['thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That mudflap is spectacular! Beautiful bike and thanks for sharing the 
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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[ascpgh]

My modern cycling (80s onward) has been all with clips and straps then 
clipless (SPD). 

Weeks after buying my first MTB I coincidentally trashed my right knee (not 
bike related injury) and it sat unused for almost nine months. When I began 
riding again it was on a Minoura track stand and required clips and straps 
to keep my errant right foot on the pedal since it tended to float off the 
pedal.  In an ill-advised move, I chose to get off the stand and go 
outside. First on my parent's half mile dead end road, then farther. My 
right foot continued to require clips and straps as I regained both leg 
strength and proprioception. I had to become a left foot stop/prop rider 
after years of doing that with my right foot. As my strength recovered, I 
 even used Keirin double strap clips before venturing into clipless.  

I got my cycling mojo back and then some. I rode off road  strapped in 
tightly and had a cat like left hand swat to loosen the buckle of my on/off 
foot strap. I became discriminating about shoes as the tightened buckles 
would wear into the uppers quickly. When adopting SPDs I learned how 
important the show pedal interface was and how critical fit was.

I've been SPD since their distribution began, best for me with Sidi 
Dominators. My love of fine clip and strap pedals waned despite my history 
and return to cycling because of them. My last pair were an XC Comp-bodied, 
Superbe Pro track-caged set that came on my MB-0, traded to (and perhaps 
the ones mentioned by) Patrick. 

The shoes matter much, they dictate the alignment to the pedals when 
clipped in so if your foot isn't in them well, the pedals won't . I 
strongly agree with the BQ "Icons" selection of the Sidi Dominators. They 
fit me, my foot is in the right place on my SPDs with the right amount of 
movement for all of my riding. It's just how I roll. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
> out-of-context judgment.
>
> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>
> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
> mechanism). 
>
> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention shoes 
> but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find the 
> right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>
> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard to 
> give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of my 
> riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>
> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
> them.
>
> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
>
> Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM.
>
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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Marc Irwin]

I used clipess for years and thought they were the greatest thing ever 
until one broke.  I immediately switched back to the old platforms  with 
toeclips "temporarily."  All I noticed when I changed back was that the 
shoes were more comfortable. I don't think the clipless did anything for 
me.  I'm sure they make a difference for racers and people who live on 
their power meter stats and count grams for a hobby, but I've switched to 
spiky platforms on four of my bikes and two have MKS Urban Platforms with 
strapless toeclips.  They work great (I never tightened the straps anyway) 
and I can actually wear comfortable shoes, that I can walk in also!

Marc

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
> out-of-context judgment.
>
> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>
> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
> mechanism). 
>
> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention shoes 
> but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find the 
> right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>
> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard to 
> give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of my 
> riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>
> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
> them.
>
> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
>
> Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM.
>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Johnny Alien]

I love it! My Clem is 1x9 and probably my favorite all around setup.

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 7:55:58 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Really gorgeous bike Roberta! I can look at those heart lugs all day, and 
> those mud flaps. I love how you have combined function with all those 
> little touches that bring day to day joy. And it fits on Amtrak and public 
> transportation!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>>
>> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>>
>> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
>> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
>> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
>> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on 
>> the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
>> Homer.
>>
>> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
>> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
>> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
>> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
>> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
>> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>>
>> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
>> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
>> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
>> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
>> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
>> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
>> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>>
>> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in 
>> back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick 
>> tires are as I purchased the bike.
>>
>> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
>> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
>> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
>> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
>> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
>> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
>> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>>
>> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
>> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
>> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
>> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>>
>> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the 
>> hearts paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
>> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
>> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
>> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
>> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
>> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
>> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Sarah Carlson]

Really gorgeous bike Roberta! I can look at those heart lugs all day, and 
those mud flaps. I love how you have combined function with all those 
little touches that bring day to day joy. And it fits on Amtrak and public 
transportation!

Sarah

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>
> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>
> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on the 
> city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
> Homer.
>
> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>
> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>
> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in back), 
> Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires 
> are as I purchased the bike.
>
> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>
> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>
> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the hearts 
> paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
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Re: [RBW] Riv's new handlebar bag

[Richard Rose]

Yes! My Topeak Morph(?) is almost 14” long & just fits - diagonally.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 25, 2023, at 8:44 PM, Roberta  wrote:It's a nice looking bag.  I've been looking for one this size for awhile and the best I came up with is Swift's or Brooks.  This one is bigger in dimensions and longer (you can fit a bike pump, lunch, additional layer, basic flat fixing items and have room left over).  I also like the fact that there is an additional internal flap to help protect the contents.Thanks for the review.  I might put this on my short list.On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 2:44:26 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays to all!Finally got a ride in on my Clem with the EZPZ mounted & with a light load. Admittedly I have nothing to compare it too but it’s really nice. It does not budge. Solid as a rock & easy to use. It’s really suited to the Clem with the 135 FacePlater & Bosco. Lots of room for it to move (it does not) without coming into contact with the head tube or anything else. No issues with cables either.Fit to the Gus with 35mm stem the bag can come into contact with the head tube so I am installing a Swood Twisted T to hold the bag steady in front of the head tube. In short, I highly recommend the bag. First batch sold out so perhaps others will chime in? Will tells me the next batch will be “Olive”.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 22, 2023, at 10:46 PM, Nick Payne  wrote:On Friday 22 December 2023 at 7:02:26 am UTC+11 Chris Halasz wrote:Does the Routeworks bag rattle?Not since I cut a couple of small rectangles of adhesive-backed foam tape about 2mm thick  and positioned them each side of the catch of the lid, to prevent any play between the lid and catch: You also need to make sure that the bolt and nylock nut that adjust the tightness of the cam that locks the bag to the mount is set correctly.Nick Payne



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

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Gorgeous bicycle, cool story.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 25, 2023, at 9:05 PM, Roberta  wrote:I just realized I had mistyped the name of the gentleman who painted the hearts, circles and dots--his name is Leks.On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:What’s old is new: 
circa 2010 Betty Foy!Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.

For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on
Rivendell’s list for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I
found Rivendell in 2017.  I wanted something
1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I didn’t say short, just short-er) specifically so I could take it on
the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 Homer.    

During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient
Vince suggested a Betty Foy.  When I saw
one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove to Brooklyn, test rode and brought
it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I
think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart lug
was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of
a sage/teal, which I like more.

It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have
built for me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our
city bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as my Platypus with its extra-long
wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have more options for mass
transportation.  The only thing I wish it
had was an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water
bottle bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.

1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift
Aventex in back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires are as I purchased
the bike.I added “extras”—SKS fenders
with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl whose Dad is on the iBob board https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ
), red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, Greenfield
kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and Dyno lighting SP
hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in honey, but I might try
the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.

Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing
work with the extras, and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1
.   If you’re ever in Philadelphia, I
highly recommend a stop at their shop. 
They understand Rivendells (and even own a few).

I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all
the hearts paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/
, who also builds Albacore handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is the one on the back side
of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every time I use my basket, which
is every ride.  I asked him to fill in
the hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I
saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!









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