Re: [RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Pam Bikes]

I'm 5ft and have a pbh of 68.  I have a 47 Betty Foy w/26 in wheels.  I 
need the step through frame for stand over.  I've never found a bike w/ a 
horizontal top tube w/enough standover for me.  But I don't know your 
wife's pbh.  My daughter has a 50 Betty w/650b and it's too big for me.  If 
you want to come to NC, she's welcome to try out my bike and my daughters 
bike for size.  I'm in Charlotte.
On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 8:17:30 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> My wife is 5' 2" & loves her 47 cm Atlantis with 1.5" x 26" Schwalbe 
> Marathon Supreme tires. I have a 58 cm Atlantis. When I ride her bike (to 
> check out something) it seems to accelerate much quicker than mine. Rims 
> are different & of course the 700 x 40 wheel / tire set up is heavier. The 
> small Atlantis is hard to find. There were also a miniscule number of 44 cm 
> that were made. A few years ago, during one of their periodic inventories, 
> Rivendell "found" 2 47s tucked away somewhere. Who knows, there might still 
> be one at RBWHQ. Give them a call.
>
> DougP
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:28:52 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> [image: 00k0k_kQoDqkw1aM7_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa Travel bike - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - 
>> craigslist 
>> 
>> seattle.craigslist.org 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Michael Morrissey  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a 
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> Michael 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Pam Bikes]

Leah, you could do any ride you want.  There are rides in every state 
including NC.  Our cross the state ride is from the Mountains to the Coast 
and will be 10/6-13.  I've done it 3 times.  Camping is the way to go b/c 
there are not enough hotels and honestly they are motels since these are 
small towns and not great.  I plan to do it this year so maybe you can come 
ride it w/me.  The ride is smaller than RAGBRAI.  It's about 800-1000 
riders and a few Rivs.  Logistics - fly into Charlotte then we can drop a 
van at the end so when we're done, we drive back.  Cycle NC puts on the 
ride and registration includes moving your tent, luggage on the truck, 
shower trucks and campsites.  Lots of people do many of the state rides and 
say the NC one is well organized.  I would agree.  The ride this year 
starts in Spruce Pine and ends at Ocean Isle Beach.  Charlotte is only 
about 2 hrs from Spruce Pine.  Come ride across NC w/me.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:37:23 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> George is right. I wonder if those wheelman will let a raspberry racing 
> Platypus and its non-self-sufficient rider on any of their rides. Here’s to 
> new adventures! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 5:11 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Not to worry, all is not lost.  There's this ride calendar of events in 
> the Wolverine state: 
> https://lmb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/RideCal_2023_v5_web.pdf
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading 
>> about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and 
>> difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. 
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread 
>> to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>>
>> If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they 
>> haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
>> nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  
>>
>>
>> I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting 
>> it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site 
>> quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I 
>> had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but 
>> tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together 
>> with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A 
>> lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers 
>> and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the 
>> luggage service side of the trip.  
>>
>> However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with 
>> strangers every evening.  
>>
>> One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me 
>> off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot 
>> days.  
>>
>> The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you 
>> have a power bank available.  
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>>>
>>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
>>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
>>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
>>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
>>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
>>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
>>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>>
>>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
>>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
>>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
>>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
>>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
>>> others?
>>>
>>> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
>>> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
>>> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
>>> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>>>
>>> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
>>> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
>>> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: Atlantis or Hunqapillar ~54cm 29” wheels

[Hoch in ut]

Searching for an Atlantis (before the long chainstays) or a Hunqapillar for 
29” wheels. In size 54cm or so (could fit 56 or 57 as well). 
I had a 54cm Hunq a few years ago and foolishly sold it. Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Roadeo 63cm / Son Dynamo & Dura Ace Wheelset

[MCT]

Bump and price drop to $1,200. On eBay for the same price.  

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:24:59 AM UTC-6 MCT wrote:

> Bumping with a price drop to $1,500.
>
> I saw the general 2024 craigslist post that posted my Roadeo.  I want to 
> note the repaint was done by the original owner because he wanted a 
> different color. 
>
> Selling because the frame was always a little to big for me.  Going to use 
> the funds to get a bike path warrior.  
>
> Matt in OKC
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:05:52 AM UTC-5 MCT wrote:
>
>> Wheelset sold.  Frameset still available. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 4:25:25 PM UTC-5 MCT wrote:
>>
>>> Selling my Rivendell Roadeo 63 cm Frameset.  Comes with frame, fork, and 
>>> headset. The stem is not included, however I will include the spacers. It 
>>> was made by Waterford.   It has about 2,000 miles on it.
>>>
>>> Pictures at link below
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-72gXXbSZKljxHja3XOXhswAbm7m4WHd?usp=share_link
>>>
>>> The frame was painted by D Cycles.  It has a few paint nicks in a few 
>>> places.  The bottom bracket has a little red paint overspray, and looks 
>>> like rust from a distance.  
>>>
>>> The wheelset is DT Swiss 411 rims with the front hub a Son Delux Wide 
>>> Body Dynamo and the rear hub is Dura Ace 9000.  Both wheels are 32 spoke. 
>>>  The wheelset was built by Pro Wheelbuilder.
>>>
>>> Price for the Roadeo is $1,900 plus shipping.
>>> The price for the wheelset is $600 plus shipping.  
>>>
>>> I will combine shipping if you buy both.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions or want to see a picture of 
>>> something specific.
>>>
>>> Matt in OKC
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: B17 alternatives

[Chris Halasz]

I've enjoyed many a B17 Champion Special, and a few not, and only a few B17 
standards. 

NOTE: I'm six foot tall, 165lbs, with a 13cm sit bone width. I run a few 
times a week and do a couple of 25 mile rides each week, and shorter rides 
for errands, etc. Long way of saying I'm not real wide and there's not much 
mass on me. 

I've also got an Ideale Daniel Rebour in my stash, which is said to have 
superior water resistance. Never tried the water resistance, though. It is 
also very nice. 

I never had good luck with the Berthouds. Like sitting on granite. Hard 
hard hard. No break-in. Tried three different ones. Gave up. Ditto for the 
Brooks C67 (the Cambium version of the B68). The C67 also had a very wide 
nose, which did not work for me - I guess I've got developed adductors or 
something. 

 I recently bought an LHT and have a more Albatross/Tosco-type upright 
position on the bike. I tried a bunch of Brooks and Specialized and Ergon 
saddles, all 155+mm width. 

There is one that I settled on, that is really fantastic for me: The Ergon 
Mountain SMC in a women's medium/large. I think it's about 160mm at its 
widest, and weighs 300g, so maybe a half pound lighter than a B17, and to 
me,  just as nice. It was about $70. There's a picture on the Rivbike site 
with what I think is the same saddle on Roman's Sequoia: 

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-59cm-sequoia-86-5cm-pbh

A note about saddle width: leather saddles have those beautiful rivets. The 
rivets, for me, reduce the functional width of a saddle. Here's a photo of 
a 155mm saddle mated to a 220mm wide saddle. Their 65mm difference is 
minimized by the rivets, and their functional width is similar: 

[image: IMG_0051.jpg]

Both those saddles (Brooks B68 and Ergon SR3-L) are available for purchase 
if anyone's interested! 

- Chris 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 8:55:33 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a B17 on my Sam that I love. 12 years old and showing very little 
> wear. It's the last thing I think about on all-day rides.
>
> I bought a pre owned "broken in" C17 for my Roadini build and I think I'll 
> pass it along. Just feels like it will never be comfortable.
>
> Anyone here have other saddles they enjoy? Maybe something lighter weight 
> and/or more modern looking, while still having all day comfort.
>
> If not I'll just get another B17 and be content!
>

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[RBW] Re: Seat lug crack

[iamkeith]

Where are you located, Logan?  Maybe someone will know a builder or repair 
service near you, that they can recommend.  

It sure looks like a crack to me, and I too would guess that the most 
likely cause was a too-small seat post.  I also like Christian's idea:  If 
you're lucky, perhaps a small drill hole to stop it propogating further, 
and then brazing the crack itself might suffice without a large area of 
paint damage.  Great that you caught it before it got worse.

Finding a good builder will be the first step.   I wouldn't hesitate to ask 
Rivendell if they have any ideas or experience.  You're way beyond anything 
that could be construed as a reasonable warranty period, so be clear that 
you're not approaching it from a standpoint of expecting something or 
pointing fingers.  You're just asking for advice and brainstorming. 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:22:09 AM UTC-7 christian poppell wrote:

> Amateur framebuilder here...
>
> Id drill a hole to stop the propagation of the crack then TIG weld to fuse 
> the crack. grind smooth to finish. I would try that first before replacing 
> the whole seat lug.
>
> "If my understanding of frame construction is correct, that also means the 
> top of the seat tube is cracked, since it extends through the seat lug and 
> is cut off even with the top of the lug."
>
> Some seat lugs are like that, many lugs used in production have a shelf on 
> the inside where the seat tube would be cut at 90deg then inserted into the 
> lug. (image from torch and file 
> )
>  
> I believe that is how the lug is on the QB, I can check mine when i get 
> home and report back. 
>
> Are you at U Michigan? If so, there's Doug Fattic (Niles, MI) and Franklin 
> Frames (Newark, OH?) that are closeish. Doug is great, I don't have 
> experience with Franklin but have heard he is willing to take on odd jobs. 
>
> Long live the Quickbeam!
> Christian
> Phoenix AZ
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 10:53:29 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Are you the original owner of this Quickbeam or did you buy it used from 
>> someone?  If the latter is true it may be that the wrong diameter seat post 
>> was initially used and thus the seat post binder bolt over tightened to 
>> accommodate.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:07:41 AM UTC-6 eil...@umich.edu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, 
>>>
>>> I am seeking information about what looks to be a small crack in the 
>>> seat lug of an orange Quickbeam. The reason I think it’s a crack in the lug 
>>> and not just the paint is that it is visible from both inside and outside 
>>> the seat tube. Pictures attached below. 
>>>
>>> Some questions I have are: 
>>> - Am I diagnosing this correctly as a cracked seat lug? 
>>> - Is a crack this size and in this location a big deal (I’m assuming 
>>> yes), and if so, how big of a deal? 
>>> - Does this render the frame dangerous to ride? 
>>> - Can something like this be repaired? Is there anyone that’s had 
>>> something similar repaired who can share their experience? 
>>>
>>> Thank you for any information anyone can share or point me toward. 
>>>
>>> Logan 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Deluxe/Tallux 120mm & Ritchey/Nitto 100mm stems

[Paul M]

The Nitto Tallux stem came off an early model Clem L that had seen very 
little use. I sold the frameset but kept the components. 120mm reach with a 
-17 degree drop but levels out once mounted. 225mm quill. 25.4 handlebar 
clamp. Excellent clean condition with some very faint marks from 
installation. $55 shipped

The Ritchey Force stem is made by Nitto from the early 90's. 100mm reach 
with zero rise but will give ~6 degree rise once mounted. 26.0 handlebar 
clamp. Excellent condition. $60 shipped.

More pictures if interested, just reach out off this site. Thanks, Paul

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[RBW] Re: Seat lug crack

[christian poppell]

Amateur framebuilder here...

Id drill a hole to stop the propagation of the crack then TIG weld to fuse 
the crack. grind smooth to finish. I would try that first before replacing 
the whole seat lug.

"If my understanding of frame construction is correct, that also means the 
top of the seat tube is cracked, since it extends through the seat lug and 
is cut off even with the top of the lug."

Some seat lugs are like that, many lugs used in production have a shelf on 
the inside where the seat tube would be cut at 90deg then inserted into the 
lug. (image from torch and file 
)
 
I believe that is how the lug is on the QB, I can check mine when i get 
home and report back. 

Are you at U Michigan? If so, there's Doug Fattic (Niles, MI) and Franklin 
Frames (Newark, OH?) that are closeish. Doug is great, I don't have 
experience with Franklin but have heard he is willing to take on odd jobs. 

Long live the Quickbeam!
Christian
Phoenix AZ

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 10:53:29 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Are you the original owner of this Quickbeam or did you buy it used from 
> someone?  If the latter is true it may be that the wrong diameter seat post 
> was initially used and thus the seat post binder bolt over tightened to 
> accommodate.
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:07:41 AM UTC-6 eil...@umich.edu wrote:
>
>> Hello, 
>>
>> I am seeking information about what looks to be a small crack in the seat 
>> lug of an orange Quickbeam. The reason I think it’s a crack in the lug and 
>> not just the paint is that it is visible from both inside and outside the 
>> seat tube. Pictures attached below. 
>>
>> Some questions I have are: 
>> - Am I diagnosing this correctly as a cracked seat lug? 
>> - Is a crack this size and in this location a big deal (I’m assuming 
>> yes), and if so, how big of a deal? 
>> - Does this render the frame dangerous to ride? 
>> - Can something like this be repaired? Is there anyone that’s had 
>> something similar repaired who can share their experience? 
>>
>> Thank you for any information anyone can share or point me toward. 
>>
>> Logan 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Seat lug crack

[George Schick]

Are you the original owner of this Quickbeam or did you buy it used from 
someone?  If the latter is true it may be that the wrong diameter seat post 
was initially used and thus the seat post binder bolt over tightened to 
accommodate.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:07:41 AM UTC-6 eil...@umich.edu wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am seeking information about what looks to be a small crack in the seat 
> lug of an orange Quickbeam. The reason I think it’s a crack in the lug and 
> not just the paint is that it is visible from both inside and outside the 
> seat tube. Pictures attached below.
>
> Some questions I have are:
> - Am I diagnosing this correctly as a cracked seat lug?
> - Is a crack this size and in this location a big deal (I’m assuming yes), 
> and if so, how big of a deal?
> - Does this render the frame dangerous to ride?
> - Can something like this be repaired? Is there anyone that’s had 
> something similar repaired who can share their experience?
>
> Thank you for any information anyone can share or point me toward.
>
> Logan
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seat lug crack

[Jeremy Till]

Replying not as a frame expert, but I did work as a mechanic for a while 
and was often customers' first line of inquiry about frame issues. Take my 
advice with a grain of salt. The only authoritative source of information 
on this would be a framebuilder who has been able to inspect the frame in 
person.  

All that being said: 
-I would agree that that looks like a cracked seat lug. If my understanding 
of frame construction is correct, that also means the top of the seat tube 
is cracked, since it extends through the seat lug and is cut off even with 
the top of the lug. 
-A crack there would be a big deal in that it would eventually cause the 
frame to no longer be able to clamp the seatpost. The tension of tightening 
the seatpost binder bolt would tend to expand the crack, and eventually the 
seatpost would start to slip. Riding it in this condition would probably 
accelerate the process. 
-I'll let you evaluate what is an acceptable amount of danger for yourself, 
given the failure mode I've described above. 
-I would imagine that something like this could be repaired by a skilled 
framebuilder, but the questions would be whether you could find one that 
was willing to take on the work, and, depending on what they charged, 
whether the repair would make sense financially. It's a tricky repair being 
at the seat cluster joint, where four tubes come together, rather that at a 
joint with only two tubes, or better yet in the middle of a single tube. 
Given that the crack is also through the seat tube, a repair might 
necessitate replacing that tube as well, although a framebuilder might be 
able to cut it off somewhere in the middle of the tube and splice in a new 
section to run through the seat lug. I don't know where you're located, but 
as always, finding a local builder who could look at it would be ideal. 

Good luck!

-Jeremy Till (former orange QB owner myself)
Sacramento, CA

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 11:07:41 PM UTC-8 eil...@umich.edu wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am seeking information about what looks to be a small crack in the seat 
> lug of an orange Quickbeam. The reason I think it’s a crack in the lug and 
> not just the paint is that it is visible from both inside and outside the 
> seat tube. Pictures attached below.
>
> Some questions I have are:
> - Am I diagnosing this correctly as a cracked seat lug?
> - Is a crack this size and in this location a big deal (I’m assuming yes), 
> and if so, how big of a deal?
> - Does this render the frame dangerous to ride?
> - Can something like this be repaired? Is there anyone that’s had 
> something similar repaired who can share their experience?
>
> Thank you for any information anyone can share or point me toward.
>
> Logan
>
>

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Ron Mc]

Silly me, never considered there was an alternative to Brooks.  
I'm backed up, with a couple stashed Select and L/E saddles I bought for 
$99 close-out.  
But if I was in the saddle market, I'd go to BikeTiresDirect and buy a B17 
Special at their discount.  

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 6:44:12 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> While I still have a couple of well-loved and trusty B17s in service, I am 
> now a loyal Gilles Berthoud convert. I’ll second Luke’s recommendation on 
> the Aspin (or Aravis if you’re feeling na$ty). They’re gorgeous saddles, 
> the thicker leather doesn’t “hammock” like Brooks sometimes can, and 
> everything is replaceable/rebuildable. Plus, they are a great company to 
> deal with.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY. 
>
> On Jan 24, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> I encourage you to try a Berthoud Aspin. Wide like a B17, but with a 
> narrower nose/front end that leads to a sportier saddle and less thigh rub. 
> It doesn’t hurt that it’s also exceptionally beautiful. 
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

[Sarah Carlson]

I do love Mt. Diablo but would recommend sticking to Spring nights or 
timing your arrival so you minimize the time sitting out in the sun as the 
campsites are up high in an exposed area (unless you know a spot with more 
tree cover). We had a couple hours baking in the sun in 90 degree weather. 
My daughter still likes to joke when we drive by the mountain, "I bet you 
it's only 64 degrees up there!" It is one of my favorite spots but I 
haven't convinced anyone in my family to do a repeat trip. 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 11:16:29 AM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> This being the Riv list, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mt Diablo. 
> There are sanctioned campgrounds, but there is a lot of space for 
> unsanctioned camping. Just don't light a campfire at the unsanctioned 
> spots. 
>
> jim mather
> walnut creek ca
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:33:28 AM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Bothe in Calistoga. Good hike and bike campsite always available. Though 
>> this will be a better option as the Vine Trail continues to be extende, 
>> otherwise you get some time on Silverado Trail which is nice but … yeah, 
>> cars.
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:30:29 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jesse,
>>>
>>> I've visited Samuel P many times via bike. Pre 2020, hiker biker site at 
>>> Samuel P was no reservation required. Even when the hiker/biker was "full" 
>>> there was always enough room to squeeze in. The best part of sharing the 
>>> site with others is hearing their stories. Some were overnighters like me, 
>>> others were from Europe and hiking up the California coast. You might want 
>>> to check on the policies of the state park as many things have changed 
>>> since 2020.
>>>
>>> Riding to go camping was a revelation for me. I could ride to a 
>>> destination, sleep, then ride back which doubled the distance between 
>>> points I could ride in a day. It sounds silly writing it out but was 
>>> totally mind blowing at the time as all my rides prior were planned around 
>>> getting back to where I started. 
>>>
>>> Here's a write up I did back in 2017 about riding up to Samuel P on a 
>>> Quickbeam.
>>>  https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8AYdSsNsh7E/m/h5unB6v_AwAJ  
>>> 
>>>
>>> Please give us an update after your trip. always enjoy reading others 
>>> ride reports :)
>>>
>>> Christian
>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:40:02 PM UTC-7 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks! I was able to a camp reservation in Feb for Angel Isand, i'll 
 report back on how it went. 

 Donzaemon - I think most "require" a reservation, but some do have 
 first some site for bikers/hikers. A few friends also let me know that 
 they 
 have never had an issue showing up during the week. Weekends are probably 
 a 
 different story.

 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there 
> this spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.
>
> Don
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
>> SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
>> China Camp State Park
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year 
>>> and was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the 
>>> bay 
>>> area? I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).
>>>
>>> I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB Shimano A600 pedal

[Bernard Duhon]

Ok ,
ES600 pedal is less desirable than the A 600 it replaced.
one on ebay NOS is asking over twice the price of a new one.

So I’ll ask the gang if they have a nearly new A600 shimano pedals they would 
be willing to part with.

Baring that how about a es600 at a reasonable price that I could try out .


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Piaw Na
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

If you're not going to do serious single track I highly recommend the PD-ES600. 
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/review-shimano-pd-es600.html

My friends were really skeptical that it would make any difference compared to 
the venerable and well respected (deservedly so) M520s, but the wings and wider 
platform definitely make these pedals feel much better connected than the 
M520s, and are the first pedals I've tried that I consider a significant 
improvement over the M520s. My biggest issue with them is that you have to 
mount them with an allen wrench instead of having wrench flats. Beware though, 
they're singled sided (which is what makes the connection feel so nice --- the 
design wouldn't have worked with a double-sided pedal, I don't think)! But for 
paved riding they're really awesome.
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Brian Turner]

While I still have a couple of well-loved and trusty B17s in service, I am now a loyal Gilles Berthoud convert. I’ll second Luke’s recommendation on the Aspin (or Aravis if you’re feeling na$ty). They’re gorgeous saddles, the thicker leather doesn’t “hammock” like Brooks sometimes can, and everything is replaceable/rebuildable. Plus, they are a great company to deal with.BrianLex KY. On Jan 24, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Luke Hendrickson  wrote:I encourage you to try a Berthoud Aspin. Wide like a B17, but with a narrower nose/front end that leads to a sportier saddle and less thigh rub. It doesn’t hurt that it’s also exceptionally beautiful. 



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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Brian Turner]

While I still have a couple of well-loved and trusty B17s in service, I am now 
a loyal Gilles Berthoud convert. I’ll second Luke’s recommendation on the Aspin 
(or Aravis if you’re feeling na$ty). They’re gorgeous saddles, the thicker 
leather doesn’t “hammock” like Brooks sometimes can, and everything is 
replaceable/rebuildable. Plus, they are a great company to deal with.

Brian
Lex Kyle

> On Jan 24, 2024, at 12:05 AM, mikel66...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Rivet Pearl saddle is close to a B17
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