[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

[Luke Hendrickson]

Everyone’s already made good points (what a great resource this place is!), 
but always feel free to get ahold of me as I work at Merry Sales. Anyone 
can email me at luke at merrysales dot com with questions related to stuff 
you’ve bought from us.

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:59:45 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Keith, I think to get a good road chainline 43.5-45mm for a road frame 
> w/130mm spacing and a 46/30 (or abouts), a basic road triple would work 
> just fine. Be it a 110/74 or 130/74, either way they accommodate the 46t 
> ring in the middle. Even a basic XD2 with a 107mm BB is 45-46mm chainline, 
> and that's as a triple, measured to the middle ring. Since doubles are 
> measured between the rings, in this case the 30 and 46, the chainline will 
> measure as 2.5mm less(the c-c spacing on chainrings). I used a 107 BB on my 
> Bombadil even with it's bowed out stays, so on a road bike without that 
> it'll be no issue either. A 110mm BB is only longer on  the NDS, but I've 
> used 1-2mm spacers on the driveside(between the frame and cup) if desired 
> for a better chainline. I'm referring to cartridges of course, you can't do 
> that with a cup/cone BB !
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:28:09 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I wanted a “medium” touring bike, so I got an A Homer Hilsen frame.
>> I was also impressed with how the 24mm, eternal bearing, Hollowtech II 
>> drive system felt.  It was, to my feet, noticeably stiffer than the square 
>> taper BBs I had been using for years.
>>
>> So, loath to screw up a Rivendell frame, I bought an ’82 Team Fuji from 
>> Craigslist, and used the rebuild of that to determine how to pull a square 
>> taper BB and put on the Hollowtech BBR60.  I also put on a few other 
>> goodies (Sora 3030 system,105 brakes, Velocity Road rear hub, re-laced the 
>> wheels) to learn how it all worked.
>>
>> I learned that those spacers we’ve been referring to are fragile and 
>> don’t want to be between two moving parts.  Also that you put the drive 
>> side external cup on, then run the crank through, then screw on the 
>> non-drive side cup instead of trying to push the crank through a fully 
>> assembled BB (my LBS taught me that).  Also that putting on the crank, then 
>> measuring the chainline, then pulling off the crank to change the drive 
>> side spacers was an iterative process.
>>
>> Then I built up the Homer with the MT800 BB and the Shimano FC-M590 
>> triple crank.  It only took one iteration of spacers to get the chainline. 
>>  The MT800 worked perfectly on the 68mm BB shell.  I also - wanting to see 
>> if this stuff was interchangeable - pulled it all off at one point and 
>> tried a Token TK878EX BB. The Token was cheaper then, and came in AHH Blue. 
>>  It also worked perfectly.
>>
>> The Homer was not my longed-for perfect tourer, so I passed it on for a 
>> Soma Saga.  But I kept the drive and BB.  The Saga also has a 68mm BB shell 
>> and 135mm rear spacing.  Only one iteration to get the spacers/chainline 
>> right, and they are a different config from the Homer, but it works great.
>>
>> Other lessons learned - the 24mm bottom bracket is more fragile than a 
>> sealed square-taper BB (also more fragile than the good old 1/4 inch ball 
>> bearings in an un-sealed square-taper setup).  I ruined one 24mm BB before 
>> I asked my LBS and got a lesson in installation.  I also got told that the 
>> 24mm BB has to be replaced more often just from use.  I haven’t killed one 
>> yet, but if your crank starts making a hissing sound, check the BB first.
>>
>> Going back to Keith’s original post, a little asymmetry is the price paid 
>> for a correct chainline when your crank shaft is fixed length.  Spacers and 
>> assembly iterations are the price paid for a 24mm BB that is supposed to 
>> fit both 73mm and 68mm shells - it must be built for the bigger size.  Max, 
>> the MTN should work fine, for a few grams extra weight, and might last 
>> longer.  And, finally, if you hit a snag ask your LBS.  They've had to deal 
>> with this stuff for years.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

[Luke Hendrickson]

Everyone’s already made good points (what a great resource this place is!), 
but always feel free to get ahold of me as I work at Merry Sales. Anyone 
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On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:59:45 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Keith, I think to get a good road chainline 43.5-45mm for a road frame 
> w/130mm spacing and a 46/30 (or abouts), a basic road triple would work 
> just fine. Be it a 110/74 or 130/74, either way they accommodate the 46t 
> ring in the middle. Even a basic XD2 with a 107mm BB is 45-46mm chainline, 
> and that's as a triple, measured to the middle ring. Since doubles are 
> measured between the rings, in this case the 30 and 46, the chainline will 
> measure as 2.5mm less(the c-c spacing on chainrings). I used a 107 BB on my 
> Bombadil even with it's bowed out stays, so on a road bike without that 
> it'll be no issue either. A 110mm BB is only longer on  the NDS, but I've 
> used 1-2mm spacers on the driveside(between the frame and cup) if desired 
> for a better chainline. I'm referring to cartridges of course, you can't do 
> that with a cup/cone BB !
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:28:09 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I wanted a “medium” touring bike, so I got an A Homer Hilsen frame.
>> I was also impressed with how the 24mm, eternal bearing, Hollowtech II 
>> drive system felt.  It was, to my feet, noticeably stiffer than the square 
>> taper BBs I had been using for years.
>>
>> So, loath to screw up a Rivendell frame, I bought an ’82 Team Fuji from 
>> Craigslist, and used the rebuild of that to determine how to pull a square 
>> taper BB and put on the Hollowtech BBR60.  I also put on a few other 
>> goodies (Sora 3030 system,105 brakes, Velocity Road rear hub, re-laced the 
>> wheels) to learn how it all worked.
>>
>> I learned that those spacers we’ve been referring to are fragile and 
>> don’t want to be between two moving parts.  Also that you put the drive 
>> side external cup on, then run the crank through, then screw on the 
>> non-drive side cup instead of trying to push the crank through a fully 
>> assembled BB (my LBS taught me that).  Also that putting on the crank, then 
>> measuring the chainline, then pulling off the crank to change the drive 
>> side spacers was an iterative process.
>>
>> Then I built up the Homer with the MT800 BB and the Shimano FC-M590 
>> triple crank.  It only took one iteration of spacers to get the chainline. 
>>  The MT800 worked perfectly on the 68mm BB shell.  I also - wanting to see 
>> if this stuff was interchangeable - pulled it all off at one point and 
>> tried a Token TK878EX BB. The Token was cheaper then, and came in AHH Blue. 
>>  It also worked perfectly.
>>
>> The Homer was not my longed-for perfect tourer, so I passed it on for a 
>> Soma Saga.  But I kept the drive and BB.  The Saga also has a 68mm BB shell 
>> and 135mm rear spacing.  Only one iteration to get the spacers/chainline 
>> right, and they are a different config from the Homer, but it works great.
>>
>> Other lessons learned - the 24mm bottom bracket is more fragile than a 
>> sealed square-taper BB (also more fragile than the good old 1/4 inch ball 
>> bearings in an un-sealed square-taper setup).  I ruined one 24mm BB before 
>> I asked my LBS and got a lesson in installation.  I also got told that the 
>> 24mm BB has to be replaced more often just from use.  I haven’t killed one 
>> yet, but if your crank starts making a hissing sound, check the BB first.
>>
>> Going back to Keith’s original post, a little asymmetry is the price paid 
>> for a correct chainline when your crank shaft is fixed length.  Spacers and 
>> assembly iterations are the price paid for a 24mm BB that is supposed to 
>> fit both 73mm and 68mm shells - it must be built for the bigger size.  Max, 
>> the MTN should work fine, for a few grams extra weight, and might last 
>> longer.  And, finally, if you hit a snag ask your LBS.  They've had to deal 
>> with this stuff for years.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Leah Peterson]

Leif, I could do this It’s Father’s day weekend, so that is the only possible snag. I’m going to try and make this ride! Thank you!!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 25, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Leif Eckstrom  wrote:Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from Chicago’s Millenium Park to New Buffalo, MI, spread out over 2 days, totalling about 100 miles all told. June 14-15 (Friday and Saturday).  Hundreds of friendly riders—most camp the first night at Indiana Dunes state park, but hotels are another option. Easy pace. Easy route. Food and sag support. There are a number of Ragbrai riders who attend this ride from chicago. Perhaps they could give you a taste of ragbrai without all the logistical headaches. I had a lot of fun last year on this ride and made plenty of new friends. Registration opens Sunday, February 11. There are busses and moving trucks to take you, your luggage, and your bike back to chicago should you like. More details here. https://www.bikereg.com/63763Best, Leif in ChicagoOn Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.LeahOn Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the luggage service side of the trip.  However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with strangers every evening.  One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days.  The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you have a power bank available.  Good luck,MattOn Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Who knows about Bike Film Festival? I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the others?Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many riders moving through tiny host towns.I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Leif Eckstrom]

Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, 

There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from Chicago’s Millenium Park 
to New Buffalo, MI, spread out over 2 days, totalling about 100 miles all 
told. June 14-15 (Friday and Saturday).  Hundreds of friendly riders—most 
camp the first night at Indiana Dunes state park, but hotels are another 
option. Easy pace. Easy route. Food and sag support. 
There are a number of Ragbrai riders who attend this ride from chicago. 
Perhaps they could give you a taste of ragbrai without all the logistical 
headaches. 
I had a lot of fun last year on this ride and made plenty of new friends. 
Registration opens Sunday, February 11. There are busses and moving trucks 
to take you, your luggage, and your bike back to chicago should you like. 

More details here. https://www.bikereg.com/63763

Best, 
Leif in Chicago

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading about 
> the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and difficult 
> logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. 
>
> Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread to 
> read in the dead of a Michigan winter.
> Leah
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>
> If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they 
> haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
> nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  
>
>
> I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting 
> it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site 
> quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I 
> had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but 
> tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together 
> with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A 
> lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers 
> and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the 
> luggage service side of the trip.  
>
> However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with 
> strangers every evening.  
>
> One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me off 
> of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days.  
>
> The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you 
> have a power bank available.  
>
> Good luck,
> Matt
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>>
>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>
>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
>> others?
>>
>> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
>> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
>> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
>> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>>
>> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
>> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
>> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Paging Dave Johnston (Fredericksburg, VA?)

[Matthew Pendergraft]

[ Cross posting on RBW and iBOB lists ]

Hi all,

I'm reaching out to Dave Johnston, who was in Fredericksburg, VA as of a
few years back.

I sold an Atlantis that I would love to get back. Dave had it at one point.

Dave, if you see this, please follow up.
Its fine if you have the bike and don't want to sell it, or if you already
sold it etc. No problem.
But it'd be great to hear from you.

Or if someone can put me in contact with Dave, please do.
I sent an email and didn't get a response.

Much appreciated.
Matthew
San Diego - Kumeyaay Land

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[RBW] Re: FS Frost River bags, Nitto lugged seat post, Bananna bags

[Frank Brose]

$115 for the frost river bags shipped.

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:11:45 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:

> Sure. I'll sell the cranks. PM me and let me know which ones you're 
> interested in.
> Frank
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:41:34 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
> NJ wrote:
>
>> Are you selling the cranks in the picture???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:41:04 PM UTC-4 Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>>> I have the following for sale.
>>> Frost River Taconite Trail trunk bag and Sawbill trail handle bar bag 
>>> I'd like to sell together$165 net to me includes shipping. Like new 
>>> condition. 
>>> read about them here: 
>>> https://frostriver.com/collections/cycling-bike-bags
>>> Three Banana bags 2 Rivendell, 1 Duluth Trading 
>>> $55 net to me for the Riv bags
>>> $40 net to me for the Duluth trading. It's in the roughest shape. The 
>>> Riv bags are in good shape.
>>> Nitto Lugged seatpost 27.2 x 300 Light insertion marks not even visible 
>>> when on the bike. They would easily be buffed out with aluminum polish. 
>>> $125 net to me. Includes shipping. CONUS shipping only.
>>> [image: P1020495.JPG]
>>> [image: P1020496.JPG]
>>> [image: P1020500.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1) Best source for SP PD 8 hubs. (2) WTB/WTT/WTG Fleecer Ridge tires

[Patrick Moore]

Excellent; thanks, Ed.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 2:23 PM Ed Carolipio  wrote:

> On (1), I've had good success in purchasing SP hubs from Modern Bike (
> modernbike.com) and Universal Cycles (universalcycles.com). I know
> Sinewave cycles also carries SP but I've never shopped with them before.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 1:00:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 1. What's the best source for SP PD 8 hubs? Alas, PJW does not sell them,
>> AFAICT.
>>
>> 1.bis) Note: I want the nicest SP 26"/28" 32-hole, QR-axle, BLACK, 6-bolt
>> rotor SP hub and from their pretty but ill-constructed website it's hard to
>> tell if this is the PD 8 or if there is some fugitive better version
>> lurking about somewhere on another page. So, question 1(bis): is the PD 8
>> their best 6-bolt disc hub for 700C wheels?
>>
>> For that matter, does anyone have a BLACK, 32-hole, 6-bolt QR axle SP
>> dynohub for sale or trade?
>>
>> 2. Does anyone have some good-condition Fleecer Ridge tires for sale or
>> trade? If trade, whatcha lookin' for?
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who wishes he'd kept his small stash of (360 grams!! For
>> 50 mm!!) Furious Freds instead of selling them.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 1) Best source for SP PD 8 hubs. (2) WTB/WTT/WTG Fleecer Ridge tires

[Ed Carolipio]

On (1), I've had good success in purchasing SP hubs from Modern Bike 
(modernbike.com) and Universal Cycles (universalcycles.com). I know 
Sinewave cycles also carries SP but I've never shopped with them before.

--Ed C.
Redondo Beach, CA
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 1:00:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> 1. What's the best source for SP PD 8 hubs? Alas, PJW does not sell them, 
> AFAICT.
>
> 1.bis) Note: I want the nicest SP 26"/28" 32-hole, QR-axle, BLACK, 6-bolt 
> rotor SP hub and from their pretty but ill-constructed website it's hard to 
> tell if this is the PD 8 or if there is some fugitive better version 
> lurking about somewhere on another page. So, question 1(bis): is the PD 8 
> their best 6-bolt disc hub for 700C wheels?
>
> For that matter, does anyone have a BLACK, 32-hole, 6-bolt QR axle SP 
> dynohub for sale or trade?
>
> 2. Does anyone have some good-condition Fleecer Ridge tires for sale or 
> trade? If trade, whatcha lookin' for?
>
> Patrick Moore, who wishes he'd kept his small stash of (360 grams!! For 50 
> mm!!) Furious Freds instead of selling them.
>
> -- 
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: 1) Best source for SP PD 8 hubs. (2) WTB/WTT/WTG Fleecer Ridge tires

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and open to considering used but good condition SON 32-hole, QR, disc
hubs too.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 2:00 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. What's the best source for SP PD 8 hubs? Alas, PJW does not sell them,
> AFAICT.
>
> 1.bis) Note: I want the nicest SP 26"/28" 32-hole, QR-axle, BLACK, 6-bolt
> rotor SP hub and from their pretty but ill-constructed website it's hard to
> tell if this is the PD 8 or if there is some fugitive better version
> lurking about somewhere on another page. So, question 1(bis): is the PD 8
> their best 6-bolt disc hub for 700C wheels?
>
> For that matter, does anyone have a BLACK, 32-hole, 6-bolt QR axle SP
> dynohub for sale or trade?
>
> 2. Does anyone have some good-condition Fleecer Ridge tires for sale or
> trade? If trade, whatcha lookin' for?
>
> Patrick Moore, who wishes he'd kept his small stash of (360 grams!! For 50
> mm!!) Furious Freds instead of selling them.
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[RBW] 1) Best source for SP PD 8 hubs. (2) WTB/WTT/WTG Fleecer Ridge tires

[Patrick Moore]

1. What's the best source for SP PD 8 hubs? Alas, PJW does not sell them,
AFAICT.

1.bis) Note: I want the nicest SP 26"/28" 32-hole, QR-axle, BLACK, 6-bolt
rotor SP hub and from their pretty but ill-constructed website it's hard to
tell if this is the PD 8 or if there is some fugitive better version
lurking about somewhere on another page. So, question 1(bis): is the PD 8
their best 6-bolt disc hub for 700C wheels?

For that matter, does anyone have a BLACK, 32-hole, 6-bolt QR axle SP
dynohub for sale or trade?

2. Does anyone have some good-condition Fleecer Ridge tires for sale or
trade? If trade, whatcha lookin' for?

Patrick Moore, who wishes he'd kept his small stash of (360 grams!! For 50
mm!!) Furious Freds instead of selling them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Frank Burkybile]

Hi Leah et al.,

I agree with Pam, the Mountains to Coast ride in NC is a great introduction 
and her advice tracks with my experience. A word of warning: you may become 
a convert but since we are members of this Riv group, it’s probably a safe 
assumption that people already know that you are bike crazy.

I grew up in southwest Iowa, in an occasional start town of RAGBRAI, so 
cross state rides were just natural things that people would do. I rode the 
CycleNC event last year and brought along a friend who already had a bike 
but wasn’t a “cyclist” nor aware that this is a thing that people do. 
Following the ride, he can’t stop talking about it and has been trying to 
convince the rest of our friend group to do the ride this year. 

The logistics of how to travel to a state with a bike, figure out where to 
park and how to get back there at the end may sound overwhelming but is 
very solvable. Especially if Pam will be there (hi Pam!).

I agree that RAGBRAI is kind of a lot. I have ridden BRAN which is very 
different and enjoyable but Nebraska can be hot in June and the terrain is 
only so interesting. I have heard that the UP Michigan ride is nice too but 
I can’t personally speak to that. The Mountains to Coast ride in NC is easy 
to recommend. 

Good luck!
-Frank 

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 10:21:31 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Leah, you could do any ride you want.  There are rides in every state 
> including NC.  Our cross the state ride is from the Mountains to the Coast 
> and will be 10/6-13.  I've done it 3 times.  Camping is the way to go b/c 
> there are not enough hotels and honestly they are motels since these are 
> small towns and not great.  I plan to do it this year so maybe you can come 
> ride it w/me.  The ride is smaller than RAGBRAI.  It's about 800-1000 
> riders and a few Rivs.  Logistics - fly into Charlotte then we can drop a 
> van at the end so when we're done, we drive back.  Cycle NC puts on the 
> ride and registration includes moving your tent, luggage on the truck, 
> shower trucks and campsites.  Lots of people do many of the state rides and 
> say the NC one is well organized.  I would agree.  The ride this year 
> starts in Spruce Pine and ends at Ocean Isle Beach.  Charlotte is only 
> about 2 hrs from Spruce Pine.  Come ride across NC w/me.
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 8:37:23 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> George is right. I wonder if those wheelman will let a raspberry racing 
>> Platypus and its non-self-sufficient rider on any of their rides. Here’s to 
>> new adventures! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 5:11 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Not to worry, all is not lost.  There's this ride calendar of events in 
>> the Wolverine state: 
>> https://lmb.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/RideCal_2023_v5_web.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading 
>>> about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and 
>>> difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. 
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread 
>>> to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>>>
>>> If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where 
>>> they haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
>>> nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  
>>>
>>>
>>> I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting 
>>> it up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site 
>>> quickly destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I 
>>> had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but 
>>> tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together 
>>> with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A 
>>> lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers 
>>> and I had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the 
>>> luggage service side of the trip.  
>>>
>>> However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with 
>>> strangers every evening.  
>>>
>>> One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me 
>>> off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot 
>>> days.  
>>>
>>> The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you 
>>> have a power bank available.  
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 

 I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
 well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
 of it but really 

[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

[Garth]

Keith, I think to get a good road chainline 43.5-45mm for a road frame 
w/130mm spacing and a 46/30 (or abouts), a basic road triple would work 
just fine. Be it a 110/74 or 130/74, either way they accommodate the 46t 
ring in the middle. Even a basic XD2 with a 107mm BB is 45-46mm chainline, 
and that's as a triple, measured to the middle ring. Since doubles are 
measured between the rings, in this case the 30 and 46, the chainline will 
measure as 2.5mm less(the c-c spacing on chainrings). I used a 107 BB on my 
Bombadil even with it's bowed out stays, so on a road bike without that 
it'll be no issue either. A 110mm BB is only longer on  the NDS, but I've 
used 1-2mm spacers on the driveside(between the frame and cup) if desired 
for a better chainline. I'm referring to cartridges of course, you can't do 
that with a cup/cone BB !

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:28:09 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> I wanted a “medium” touring bike, so I got an A Homer Hilsen frame.
> I was also impressed with how the 24mm, eternal bearing, Hollowtech II 
> drive system felt.  It was, to my feet, noticeably stiffer than the square 
> taper BBs I had been using for years.
>
> So, loath to screw up a Rivendell frame, I bought an ’82 Team Fuji from 
> Craigslist, and used the rebuild of that to determine how to pull a square 
> taper BB and put on the Hollowtech BBR60.  I also put on a few other 
> goodies (Sora 3030 system,105 brakes, Velocity Road rear hub, re-laced the 
> wheels) to learn how it all worked.
>
> I learned that those spacers we’ve been referring to are fragile and don’t 
> want to be between two moving parts.  Also that you put the drive side 
> external cup on, then run the crank through, then screw on the non-drive 
> side cup instead of trying to push the crank through a fully assembled BB 
> (my LBS taught me that).  Also that putting on the crank, then measuring 
> the chainline, then pulling off the crank to change the drive side spacers 
> was an iterative process.
>
> Then I built up the Homer with the MT800 BB and the Shimano FC-M590 triple 
> crank.  It only took one iteration of spacers to get the chainline.  The 
> MT800 worked perfectly on the 68mm BB shell.  I also - wanting to see if 
> this stuff was interchangeable - pulled it all off at one point and tried a 
> Token TK878EX BB. The Token was cheaper then, and came in AHH Blue.  It 
> also worked perfectly.
>
> The Homer was not my longed-for perfect tourer, so I passed it on for a 
> Soma Saga.  But I kept the drive and BB.  The Saga also has a 68mm BB shell 
> and 135mm rear spacing.  Only one iteration to get the spacers/chainline 
> right, and they are a different config from the Homer, but it works great.
>
> Other lessons learned - the 24mm bottom bracket is more fragile than a 
> sealed square-taper BB (also more fragile than the good old 1/4 inch ball 
> bearings in an un-sealed square-taper setup).  I ruined one 24mm BB before 
> I asked my LBS and got a lesson in installation.  I also got told that the 
> 24mm BB has to be replaced more often just from use.  I haven’t killed one 
> yet, but if your crank starts making a hissing sound, check the BB first.
>
> Going back to Keith’s original post, a little asymmetry is the price paid 
> for a correct chainline when your crank shaft is fixed length.  Spacers and 
> assembly iterations are the price paid for a 24mm BB that is supposed to 
> fit both 73mm and 68mm shells - it must be built for the bigger size.  Max, 
> the MTN should work fine, for a few grams extra weight, and might last 
> longer.  And, finally, if you hit a snag ask your LBS.  They've had to deal 
> with this stuff for years.
>
>

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