Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Richard Rose]

Kai, very interesting. But this pic is beyond category!Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 2, 2024, at 10:19 PM, Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY  wrote:I’ve got a bike with no top tube, and since there’s no top tube, I think it’s best to load the front so’s to avoid the certain twistability of a step-through. I keep tools and tubes out back, and have a teeny rack to hold a rear light, but that’s it for the back. You’ve mentioned, Patrick, that you may be interested in picking up a Rivendell step-through in the future, if you do, I’d stick to front loads. And Carnival cruise lines put more up front, so there’s that scientific proof…Happy carrying!-Kai On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:14:32 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:I'm curious why so many Rivendell-listers prefer baskets to rear saddlebags or panniers -- saddlebags in particular because Rivendell has perfected the rear saddlebag -- I've owned a dozen at least of Riv saddlebags over the years as well as probably 2 dozen Carradices and Acorns and what have you's -- currently have a late-model Rivendell 9 liter or so saddlebag that replaced an already very nice 9 liter Carradice Junior, and it is slightly more practical and much more nicely built and prettier (main reason I got it) than the Junior.I've tried front and rear baskets, in the rear single rack-mounted baskets and pannier baskets, in front as large as the Wald Newsboy; and I've tried huge porteur front racks; but none, rear and especially front, at least on medium trail frames, allowed the sort of straight-stable, quick-cornering handling I like -- I sold my old Herse because it didn't handle as I liked ("like" defined by my Rivendell Roads) with either sizable rear or front loads.But for real, practical carrying -- groceries, errand loads, commuting -- I've gone back over and over again to a light rack and panniers; just so much more capacious and versatile, IME. I've carried 50 lb with aplomb in thinwall, normal-gauge frames, all in the rear (not ideal but on at least 1 old frame very doable) or, better, 35 rear 15 front (current Matthews IGH Riv Road clone).I can see light front loads for very long rides where you want to be able to easily get at the bag's contents, and I am open to being convinced that very heavy loads (50 lb of newspapers) do better on very sturdy, low-trail fork-mounted front platforms, but for ordinary Everyman riding on non-low-trail Rivendells?49 lb:Longboard:-- Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum---Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services---When thou didst not, savage, know thine own meaning,But wouldst gabble like a thing most brutish,I endowed thy purposes with words that made them known.




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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Sally Bidleman]

JOY!

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:31 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently."
>
> Homicide was the intent, so...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:35:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently.
>>
>> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to
>> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to
>> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>>
>>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my
>>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of
>>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th
>>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.
>>>
>>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will
>>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share
>>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new
>>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with
>>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders
>>> are pink with cream "French tips".
>>>
>>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this
 week for paint
 Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to
 let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond
 excited about that.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for
> the big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first
> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because
> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.
>> In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects
>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
>> and
>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
>> them
>> first shot at the actual reveal.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations
>>> on your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! 
>>> (I
>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...)
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set
 that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
 and
 I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a
 premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
 then
 hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
 supposed
 to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.

 Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full
 build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
 at
 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it 
 will not
 be red.

 BL in EC

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm
> sure
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick
> wrote:
>
>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or
>> choose something else?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my
>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>>> I paid
>>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
>>> eager to
>>> see it painted, and built up.
>>>
>>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various
>>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a
>>> pleasant visit all 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Danny]

I’m also a fan of pink bicycles, great choice!

Roman’s Legolas and the Jonny Cycles Big Pink are two of my favorites.
https://www.jonny-cycles.com/big-pink/

No doubt your custom will be added to my list of favorites. Looking forward
to all the photos.

Danny
Madison WI

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 4:31 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently."
>
> Homicide was the intent, so...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:35:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently.
>>
>> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to
>> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to
>> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>>
>>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my
>>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of
>>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th
>>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.
>>>
>>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will
>>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share
>>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new
>>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with
>>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders
>>> are pink with cream "French tips".
>>>
>>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this
 week for paint
 Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to
 let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond
 excited about that.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for
> the big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first
> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because
> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.
>> In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects
>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
>> and
>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
>> them
>> first shot at the actual reveal.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations
>>> on your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! 
>>> (I
>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...)
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set
 that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
 and
 I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a
 premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
 then
 hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
 supposed
 to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.

 Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full
 build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
 at
 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it 
 will not
 be red.

 BL in EC

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm
> sure
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick
> wrote:
>
>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or
>> choose something else?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my
>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>>> I paid
>>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[luckyturnip]

Dare I…come in here with the Squid…?On Feb 2, 2024, at 15:01, DavidP  wrote:Hi Edwin, A few more I'm aware of:Crust Florida Man - 130mm spacing, track ends, removable canti-posts, 27.5x2.4 listed max so 55mm tires with a fender should be fineWabi Thunder - 120mm spacing, track ends, 700x44 (conservative?) maxHandsome Devil - 132.5mm spacing, semi-horizonal dropouts, 700x45ish max - mine has 38mm Gravel Kings with VO Zeppelin 52mm fenders but the tires measure smaller than stated size (~36mm). I'm using the Surly 130mm hub Bill mentioned on this bike to get a fixed gear option, but my other single speeds use single speed cogs and spacers on cassette hubs.-DaveOn Friday, February 2, 2024 at 5:16:12 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.What is the competition, and what are they offering?Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?Edwin



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[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[DavidP]

Hi Edwin, 

A few more I'm aware of:

Crust Florida Man - 130mm spacing, track ends, removable canti-posts, 
27.5x2.4 listed max so 55mm tires with a fender should be fine

Wabi Thunder - 120mm spacing, track ends, 700x44 (conservative?) max

Handsome Devil - 132.5mm spacing, semi-horizonal dropouts, 700x45ish max - 
mine has 38mm Gravel Kings with VO Zeppelin 52mm fenders but the tires 
measure smaller than stated size (~36mm). I'm using the Surly 130mm hub 
Bill mentioned on this bike to get a fixed gear option, but my other single 
speeds use single speed cogs and spacers on cassette hubs.

-Dave
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 5:16:12 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, 
> the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.
>
> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 
> wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are 
> the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever 
> type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.
>
> What is the competition, and what are they offering?
> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 
>
> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm 
> rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>
> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>
> Edwin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

"BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm 
rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed."

Not true.  All BMC Monstercrosses that have ever been released have had 
130mm spacing.  Only the latest revision, which has not been delivered yet, 
has 132.5mm spacing, to allow either 130 or 135mm hubs.  

The Surly Ultra New is an excellent choice for a 130mm O.L.D. singlespeed, 
but so is the Problem Solvers Cog and Carrier product for your existing 
cassette hub: https://problemsolversbike.com/products/cog-carrier

Bill "all of the above" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 2:16:12 PM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, 
> the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.
>
> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 
> wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are 
> the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever 
> type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.
>
> What is the competition, and what are they offering?
> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 
>
> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm 
> rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>
> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>
> Edwin
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Richard Rose]

More particularly, what else is out there with long stays & wheelbase, is fully lugged & has beautiful paint / graphics?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 2, 2024, at 5:16 PM, Edwin W  wrote:I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.What is the competition, and what are they offering?Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?Edwin



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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

"Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently."

Homicide was the intent, so...

BL in EC

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:35:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 
>
> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>
>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>>
>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will 
>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share 
>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new 
>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with 
>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders 
>> are pink with cream "French tips". 
>>
>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>>> for paint
>>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>>> excited about that.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
 big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
 conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
 that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects 
> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
> and 
> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
> them 
> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>>> and 
>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>>> then 
>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>>> supposed 
>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>>
>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
>>> at 
>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>>> not 
>>> be red. 
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
 wrote:

> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
> choose something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>> I paid 
>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
>> eager to 
>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>
>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
>> pleasant visit all around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Edwin W]

This is going to be the single most anticipated bike on this list (a 
MASSIVE honor) in quite a while... 

Edwin

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:16:42 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> I love Pink Floyd. Do I love pink bikes? Sure! Me thinks pink with black 
> components would be slick. Can't wait until you can tell us RivBrothers 
> about the color. ;)
> Doug
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 
>>
>> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
>> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
>> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>>
>>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
>>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
>>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
>>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>>>
>>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will 
>>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share 
>>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new 
>>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with 
>>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders 
>>> are pink with cream "French tips". 
>>>
>>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this 
 week for paint
 Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
 let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm 
 beyond 
 excited about that.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for 
> the big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects 
>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
>> and 
>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
>> them 
>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations 
>>> on your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! 
>>> (I 
>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
 that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
 and 
 I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
 premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
 then 
 hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
 supposed 
 to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  

 Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
 build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
 at 
 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it 
 will not 
 be red. 

 BL in EC

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm 
> sure 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
> wrote:
>
>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
>> choose something else?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>>> I paid 
>>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Doug H.]

I love Pink Floyd. Do I love pink bikes? Sure! Me thinks pink with black 
components would be slick. Can't wait until you can tell us RivBrothers 
about the color. ;)
Doug

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 
>
> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>
>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>>
>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will 
>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share 
>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new 
>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with 
>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders 
>> are pink with cream "French tips". 
>>
>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>>> for paint
>>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>>> excited about that.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
 big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
 conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
 that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects 
> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
> and 
> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
> them 
> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>>> and 
>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>>> then 
>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>>> supposed 
>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>>
>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
>>> at 
>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>>> not 
>>> be red. 
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
 wrote:

> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
> choose something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>> I paid 
>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
>> eager to 
>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>
>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
>> pleasant visit all around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, 

[RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Edwin W]

I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, 
the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.

I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 
wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are 
the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever 
type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.

What is the competition, and what are they offering?
Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 

BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear 
spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.

What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[luckyturnip]

I rarely pipe up but do qualify here and pink is one of my favorite colors. I can’t wait to see this one On Feb 2, 2024, at 13:35, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just yield to it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVEOn Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th birthday on Thursday the 8th.  I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders are pink with cream "French tips". Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  :)Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week for paintBig update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond excited about that.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them first shot at the actual reveal.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CaOn Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, and I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and then hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's supposed to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will not be red. BL in ECOn Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose something else?On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it painted, and built up.  On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all around.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:JohnI will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Patrick Moore]

I want to see Keith P's *racing basket!*

Patrick "I can live with a racing basket" Moore


On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 3:04 PM vernon brooks 
wrote:

> I’ve tried out a lot of different set ups with my Atlantis and ultimately
> landed on handlebar bag with Mini front rack. Having a basket is nice for
> hauling stuff around, but I found it feels a little clunky and out of place
> because I primarily ride drop bars. I am in the process of restoring a
> Rambouillet for my wife that will get albatross bars and a front basket.
> Very excited for the build frame is at D getting a fresh paint job from
> Rick.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[vernon brooks]

I’ve tried out a lot of different set ups with my Atlantis and ultimately
landed on handlebar bag with Mini front rack. Having a basket is nice for
hauling stuff around, but I found it feels a little clunky and out of place
because I primarily ride drop bars. I am in the process of restoring a
Rambouillet for my wife that will get albatross bars and a front basket.
Very excited for the build frame is at D getting a fresh paint job from
Rick.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 1:59 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Photo of Lightning Bolt, please?
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:54 PM ian m  wrote:
>
>> No harm no foul. My newest bike is a Crust Lightning Bolt currently
>> sporting a front basket, wide(ish) drop bars, platform pedals, a leather
>> saddle, and XTR rapid rise derailer. Everything I want out of a road(ish)
>> bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Patrick Moore]

Photo of Lightning Bolt, please?

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:54 PM ian m  wrote:

> No harm no foul. My newest bike is a Crust Lightning Bolt currently
> sporting a front basket, wide(ish) drop bars, platform pedals, a leather
> saddle, and XTR rapid rise derailer. Everything I want out of a road(ish)
> bike.

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Patrick Moore]

fI forgot to add:

1. Please post photo of "racing basket."

2. Please identify and describe that odometer/stopwatch/speedometer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[ian m]

No harm no foul. My newest bike is a Crust Lightning Bolt currently 
sporting a front basket, wide(ish) drop bars, platform pedals, a leather 
saddle, and XTR rapid rise derailer. Everything I want out of a road(ish) 
bike.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:00:48 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good point; I was thinking about bar type and position and rider position 
> in this preference equation. 
>
> While I do all my grocery shopping by bike, I rarely carry 50 lb of of 
> stuff and when I do I have front lowriders and a smaller pair of Ortliebs 
> for those. A good balance is 30-35 rear and 15-20 front; of course you do 
> need to get the front load balanced to within about 5 lb per side. Not so 
> the rear; just got back with only 14 lb today but all in the rear and all 
> on one side.
>
> And I apologize to Ian for being a bit short; long day of dealing with 
> resume clients. (Note for those of you who plan to hire me: I give good 
> customer service and very good quality of result. But not cheap.)
>
> Patrick Moore, contrarian, who also dislikes wide bars, platform pedals, 
> leather saddles, and reverse-pull derailleurs (but finds Grant's contrarian 
> streak one of Rivendell's big draws).
>
> https://youtu.be/oK4FZ3ks17M?t=98
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 12:54 PM EGNolan  wrote:
>
>> In my experience, as handlebars get higher and closer to the rider the 
>> better some weight in a basket works. The dual effect of reducing front end 
>> weight (lightening the front wheel & feel) AND increasing body weight on 
>> the rear end of the bike makes a front load seem ideal. If you ride drops, 
>> especially below saddle height, I imagine you'd feel the additional weight 
>> much more acutely than I do.  I've had shoulder problems for a long time 
>> and prefer Bosco's or similar on most of my builds. My 98 Riv Road 
>> (converted to 650b w/ 42's) did not want front weight when I picked it up 
>> w/ drops that were out and down. Once converted to uprights it feels better 
>> with rack, basket and at least lock than it does unweighted. 
>>
>> Why a basket & bag over front panniers? To me it's easier to balance the 
>> load with my disheveled loading process. It's also somehow less serious 
>> looking. Front/Rear panniers seem like a serious touring set up, a basket 
>> feels like riding for fun. I DO use a Riv Large saddlebag for grocery 
>> getting (in addition to the front basket & bag) & a banana sack for 
>> everyday use.
>>
>> To sum it up, I think rider position + geometry dictate where the weight 
>> will feel best, however, one can get used to about anything on a bike given 
>> time. 
>>
>> Happy Riding,
>> Eric N
>> Indpls
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:36:29 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> Lovely photo of the flowers in the panniers. 
>>>
>>> This discussion, like many about human preferences, it's so much about 
>>> our habits and that to which we've become accustomed. 
>>>
>>> An argument can be made that flowers are better carried in a front 
>>> basket so the rider can enjoy both the view, the scent, and the pleasant 
>>> thoughts of the recipient of such a beautiful gift.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 10:09:23 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 This is a very good reply; yes, I am very attached to rear loads on 
 Rivendells, have always come back to good rack and panniers for serious 
 load carrying, and have found my Rivs to suit rear loads while being 
 awkward with front loads, but yes, that is simply my preference.

 Anyway, interesting to hear others' opinions and reasons. 

 I liked the baby and marmot in baskets. Instance to contrary: Recall 
 seeing a young man riding around carrying his miniature Chihuahua in a 
 backpack with nose sticking out. I can't get any of my dogs to like 
 wheeled 
 transportation, front or rear or automobile.

 Favorite old photo of rear load:

 [image: image.png]



 On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:51 PM Alex K  wrote:

> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and 
> bags are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes 
> handle with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that 
> comes from overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a 
> Costco 
> run or carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have 
> tried it all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm 
> on 
> a long tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift 
> Industries Jr. Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue 
> Panda Frame bag and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide 
> enough storage space for me. 
>
> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it 
> suits his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 

PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>
> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>
> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will get 
> this information after I've seen the finished product and can share photos. 
>  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built 
> Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and 
> accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders are pink with 
> cream "French tips". 
>
> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>
> :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>> for paint
>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>> excited about that.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
>>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
>>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
>>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
 my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
 been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
 since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
 them 
 first shot at the actual reveal.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, Ca

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>> and 
>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>> then 
>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>> supposed 
>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>
>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>> not 
>> be red. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
 choose something else?


 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
> paid 
> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
> eager to 
> see it painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
> pleasant visit all around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
>> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
>> (622-35).  
>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Nikko in Oakland]

"Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built 
Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and 

That's what I'm talkin' about Bill. I'm here for it. 

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>
> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>
> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will get 
> this information after I've seen the finished product and can share photos. 
>  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built 
> Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and 
> accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders are pink with 
> cream "French tips". 
>
> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>
> :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>> for paint
>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>> excited about that.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
>>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
>>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
>>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
 my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
 been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
 since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
 them 
 first shot at the actual reveal.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, Ca

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>> and 
>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>> then 
>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>> supposed 
>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>
>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>> not 
>> be red. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
 choose something else?


 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
> paid 
> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
> eager to 
> see it painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
> pleasant visit all around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
>> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
>> (622-35).  
>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 
>> (622-38).  
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Ben Adrian]

Great post, and great ride. I've done Glendale to Santa Barbara (taking 
Amtrak back). It was quite a day.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9:59:01 AM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Keith 
>
> Did you return the same day? 
>
> There is a small contingent of Rivbike cyclists in Santa Barbara. 
>
> May have to organize a ride someday so folks can experience a Mountain 
> Drive ride. 
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 6:42:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Wonderful story! Love your writing:)
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to 
>>> SB, I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back 
 bars. Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
 building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 

 Armand
 Also in Santa Monica

 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Part 2:
>
> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got 
> to 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>
>
> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none 
> of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>
> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>
> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on 
> dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated 
> for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often 
> connected by a frontage road.
>
> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>
> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on 
> ahead 
> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>
> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>
> (That's 103 not 3)
>
> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>
> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
> distance really.
>
> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>
> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>
>
> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>
> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>
> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe 
> would help on long trips like this one.
>
>
> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>
>
> Keith Paugh
>
> Los Angeles, CA
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> 1.27.24
>>
>> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly 
>> optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory 
>> - 
>> Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy 
>> challenge 
>> is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>>
>> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa 
>> Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from 
>> the 
>> Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>>
>> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
>> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>>
>> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of 
>> short, and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>>
>> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 
>> 300 calories per hour of riding. 
>>
>> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
>> calories."
>>
>> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at 
>> any given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories 
>> as 
>> well as eating them.
>>
>> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with 
>> the proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my 
>> goal was reaching half the distance.
>>
>> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 
>> 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus 
>> stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning 
>> to 
>> not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride 
>> back. They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the 
>> finish 
>> with ample time for their return trip.
>>
>> [image: 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:

Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
birthday on Thursday the 8th.  

I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will get 
this information after I've seen the finished product and can share photos. 
 Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built 
Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and 
accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders are pink with 
cream "French tips". 

Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  

:)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
> for paint
> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let 
> me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
> excited about that.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
>>> my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
>>> been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
>>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them 
>>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
 your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
 promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
> and 
> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
> then 
> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
> supposed 
> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>
> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
> not 
> be red. 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
>>> choose something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
 Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
 paid 
 them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
 eager to 
 see it painted, and built up.  

 On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, 
 and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant 
 visit 
 all around.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> John
>
> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
> (622-35).  
> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 
> (622-38).  
>
> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use 
> fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>
> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are 
> super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion 
> is that 
> they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and 
> fork 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Patrick Moore]

Good point; I was thinking about bar type and position and rider position
in this preference equation.

While I do all my grocery shopping by bike, I rarely carry 50 lb of of
stuff and when I do I have front lowriders and a smaller pair of Ortliebs
for those. A good balance is 30-35 rear and 15-20 front; of course you do
need to get the front load balanced to within about 5 lb per side. Not so
the rear; just got back with only 14 lb today but all in the rear and all
on one side.

And I apologize to Ian for being a bit short; long day of dealing with
resume clients. (Note for those of you who plan to hire me: I give good
customer service and very good quality of result. But not cheap.)

Patrick Moore, contrarian, who also dislikes wide bars, platform pedals,
leather saddles, and reverse-pull derailleurs (but finds Grant's contrarian
streak one of Rivendell's big draws).

https://youtu.be/oK4FZ3ks17M?t=98

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 12:54 PM EGNolan  wrote:

> In my experience, as handlebars get higher and closer to the rider the
> better some weight in a basket works. The dual effect of reducing front end
> weight (lightening the front wheel & feel) AND increasing body weight on
> the rear end of the bike makes a front load seem ideal. If you ride drops,
> especially below saddle height, I imagine you'd feel the additional weight
> much more acutely than I do.  I've had shoulder problems for a long time
> and prefer Bosco's or similar on most of my builds. My 98 Riv Road
> (converted to 650b w/ 42's) did not want front weight when I picked it up
> w/ drops that were out and down. Once converted to uprights it feels better
> with rack, basket and at least lock than it does unweighted.
>
> Why a basket & bag over front panniers? To me it's easier to balance the
> load with my disheveled loading process. It's also somehow less serious
> looking. Front/Rear panniers seem like a serious touring set up, a basket
> feels like riding for fun. I DO use a Riv Large saddlebag for grocery
> getting (in addition to the front basket & bag) & a banana sack for
> everyday use.
>
> To sum it up, I think rider position + geometry dictate where the weight
> will feel best, however, one can get used to about anything on a bike given
> time.
>
> Happy Riding,
> Eric N
> Indpls
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:36:29 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Lovely photo of the flowers in the panniers.
>>
>> This discussion, like many about human preferences, it's so much about
>> our habits and that to which we've become accustomed.
>>
>> An argument can be made that flowers are better carried in a front basket
>> so the rider can enjoy both the view, the scent, and the pleasant thoughts
>> of the recipient of such a beautiful gift.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 10:09:23 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> This is a very good reply; yes, I am very attached to rear loads on
>>> Rivendells, have always come back to good rack and panniers for serious
>>> load carrying, and have found my Rivs to suit rear loads while being
>>> awkward with front loads, but yes, that is simply my preference.
>>>
>>> Anyway, interesting to hear others' opinions and reasons.
>>>
>>> I liked the baby and marmot in baskets. Instance to contrary: Recall
>>> seeing a young man riding around carrying his miniature Chihuahua in a
>>> backpack with nose sticking out. I can't get any of my dogs to like wheeled
>>> transportation, front or rear or automobile.
>>>
>>> Favorite old photo of rear load:
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:51 PM Alex K  wrote:
>>>
 There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and
 bags are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes
 handle with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that
 comes from overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a Costco
 run or carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have
 tried it all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm on
 a long tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift
 Industries Jr. Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue
 Panda Frame bag and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide
 enough storage space for me.

 It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it
 suits his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of
 the replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that
 there is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal.
 That's why we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the
 bike style and set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand
 rear-weight, simply because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails on
 a chalkboard to me. I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front loads,
 I 

[RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Bill Lindsay]

Any reply from me would be mostly irrelevant because of the OP use case: 
 carrying 50 pounds of groceries.  I never (never) carry 50 pounds of 
groceries on a bicycle.  I do often carry 1-5 pounds of stuff on general 
bicycle errands.  Sometimes I take bike parts down to the post office to 
mail them to you guys.  Sometimes I go to the hardware store or the bicycle 
shop to pick up a few things.  Sometimes I go on a ride that involves a 
significant temperature swing and I have clothes that go on or come off. 
 Anytime I'm parking my bike I am carrying a small lock.  For all those 
things, a basket and front bag are preferred (by me).  Maybe the OP never 
does those smaller scale errands, but I promise I never do 50-pound grocery 
runs on my bicycle.  The times where I do carry 50 pounds of stuff on my 
bicycle would be S24O and touring, and for those applications I load up the 
front lowrider panniers first, then the rear lowrider panniers, then the 
basket bag, and then the top platform of the rear rack.  

I have a new Rivendell Saddlebag.  I don't remember the model because it's 
buried in one of my bag boxes.  I don't remember if this one has ever been 
used.  Maybe I'll pull it out and give it another chance.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:14:32 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm curious why so many Rivendell-listers prefer baskets to rear 
> saddlebags or panniers -- saddlebags in particular because Rivendell has 
> perfected the rear saddlebag -- I've owned a dozen at least of Riv 
> saddlebags over the years as well as probably 2 dozen Carradices and Acorns 
> and what have you's -- currently have a late-model Rivendell 9 liter or so 
> saddlebag that replaced an already very nice 9 liter Carradice Junior, and 
> it is slightly more practical and much more nicely built and prettier (main 
> reason I got it) than the Junior.
>
> I've tried front and rear baskets, in the rear single rack-mounted baskets 
> and pannier baskets, in front as large as the Wald Newsboy; and I've tried 
> huge porteur front racks; but none, rear and especially front, at least on 
> medium trail frames, allowed the sort of straight-stable, quick-cornering 
> handling I like -- I sold my old Herse because it didn't handle as I liked 
> ("like" defined by my Rivendell Roads) with either sizable rear or front 
> loads.
>
> But for real, practical carrying -- groceries, errand loads, commuting -- 
> I've gone back over and over again to a light rack and panniers; just so 
> much more capacious and versatile, IME. I've carried 50 lb with aplomb in 
> thinwall, normal-gauge frames, all in the rear (not ideal but on at least 1 
> old frame very doable) or, better, 35 rear 15 front (current Matthews IGH 
> Riv Road clone).
>
> I can see light front loads for very long rides where you want to be able 
> to easily get at the bag's contents, and I am open to being convinced that 
> very heavy loads (50 lb of newspapers) do better on very sturdy, low-trail 
> fork-mounted front platforms, but for ordinary Everyman riding on 
> non-low-trail Rivendells?
>
> 49 lb:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Longboard:
> [image: image.png]
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
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>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[EGNolan]

In my experience, as handlebars get higher and closer to the rider the 
better some weight in a basket works. The dual effect of reducing front end 
weight (lightening the front wheel & feel) AND increasing body weight on 
the rear end of the bike makes a front load seem ideal. If you ride drops, 
especially below saddle height, I imagine you'd feel the additional weight 
much more acutely than I do.  I've had shoulder problems for a long time 
and prefer Bosco's or similar on most of my builds. My 98 Riv Road 
(converted to 650b w/ 42's) did not want front weight when I picked it up 
w/ drops that were out and down. Once converted to uprights it feels better 
with rack, basket and at least lock than it does unweighted. 

Why a basket & bag over front panniers? To me it's easier to balance the 
load with my disheveled loading process. It's also somehow less serious 
looking. Front/Rear panniers seem like a serious touring set up, a basket 
feels like riding for fun. I DO use a Riv Large saddlebag for grocery 
getting (in addition to the front basket & bag) & a banana sack for 
everyday use.

To sum it up, I think rider position + geometry dictate where the weight 
will feel best, however, one can get used to about anything on a bike given 
time. 

Happy Riding,
Eric N
Indpls

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:36:29 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Lovely photo of the flowers in the panniers. 
>
> This discussion, like many about human preferences, it's so much about our 
> habits and that to which we've become accustomed. 
>
> An argument can be made that flowers are better carried in a front basket 
> so the rider can enjoy both the view, the scent, and the pleasant thoughts 
> of the recipient of such a beautiful gift.
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 10:09:23 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is a very good reply; yes, I am very attached to rear loads on 
>> Rivendells, have always come back to good rack and panniers for serious 
>> load carrying, and have found my Rivs to suit rear loads while being 
>> awkward with front loads, but yes, that is simply my preference.
>>
>> Anyway, interesting to hear others' opinions and reasons. 
>>
>> I liked the baby and marmot in baskets. Instance to contrary: Recall 
>> seeing a young man riding around carrying his miniature Chihuahua in a 
>> backpack with nose sticking out. I can't get any of my dogs to like wheeled 
>> transportation, front or rear or automobile.
>>
>> Favorite old photo of rear load:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:51 PM Alex K  wrote:
>>
>>> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and bags 
>>> are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes handle 
>>> with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that comes from 
>>> overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a Costco run or 
>>> carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have tried it 
>>> all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm on a long 
>>> tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift Industries Jr. 
>>> Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue Panda Frame bag 
>>> and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide enough storage space 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it suits 
>>> his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of the 
>>> replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that there 
>>> is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. That's why 
>>> we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the bike style and 
>>> set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand rear-weight, simply 
>>> because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
>>> I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front loads, I just find it more 
>>> pleasing to look at. 
>>>
>>> Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks who 
>>> can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have spent 
>>> YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
>>> Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
>>> Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags means that 
>>> through trial and error, we have decided that it works better for us and it 
>>> "feels better." NOT saying it IS better, even though I feel just as 
>>> strongly about front-loading as OP does about rear-loading. But if we all 
>>> rode the same way, how boring this would all be and how would I be able to 
>>> pick up cheap niche bike gear at a discounted rate when all you indecisive 
>>> Riv Riders decide that "PAUL BRAKES ARE OUT AND V-BRAKES ARE IN!!!" or 
>>> "BROOKS SADDLES ARE OVERRATED. I NEED A BERTHOUD!!!"
>>>
>>> (And babies like riding in front-baskets)
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: 

Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Nick Payne]

p.s. Here's a quite interesting video showing the manufacture of the 
Berthoud saddles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OeHK6sVEw.

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Nick Payne]

On Friday 2 February 2024 at 8:19:05 am UTC+11 matthew...@gmail.com wrote:

The Aspin is 18mm narrower than the B17- If you're trying to be comparable 
then the Aubisque/Vars/Mente City saddles would be a lot closer in 
dimensions. Aspin is 157mm, B17 is 175mm, and the Aubisque is 180mm.


I'll second the recommendation for the Aubisque/Vars/Mente (all three have 
exactly the same top: the Vars has Ti rails, the Aubisque stainless steel 
rails, the Mente the same but is cheaper as the top is fastened with rivets 
rather than bolts, so can't easily be replaced when needed). I have three 
of them on various bikes, two Vars and one Mente. I've been a user of 
Brooks Pro and B17 since the 1970s, but the Berthoud saddles are more 
comfortable for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[John Rinker]

Patrick,

Lovely photo of the flowers in the panniers. 

This discussion, like many about human preferences, it's so much about our 
habits and that to which we've become accustomed. 

An argument can be made that flowers are better carried in a front basket 
so the rider can enjoy both the view, the scent, and the pleasant thoughts 
of the recipient of such a beautiful gift.

Cheers, John



On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 10:09:23 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is a very good reply; yes, I am very attached to rear loads on 
> Rivendells, have always come back to good rack and panniers for serious 
> load carrying, and have found my Rivs to suit rear loads while being 
> awkward with front loads, but yes, that is simply my preference.
>
> Anyway, interesting to hear others' opinions and reasons. 
>
> I liked the baby and marmot in baskets. Instance to contrary: Recall 
> seeing a young man riding around carrying his miniature Chihuahua in a 
> backpack with nose sticking out. I can't get any of my dogs to like wheeled 
> transportation, front or rear or automobile.
>
> Favorite old photo of rear load:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:51 PM Alex K  wrote:
>
>> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and bags 
>> are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes handle 
>> with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that comes from 
>> overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a Costco run or 
>> carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have tried it 
>> all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm on a long 
>> tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift Industries Jr. 
>> Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue Panda Frame bag 
>> and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide enough storage space 
>> for me. 
>>
>> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it suits 
>> his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of the 
>> replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that there 
>> is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. That's why 
>> we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the bike style and 
>> set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand rear-weight, simply 
>> because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
>> I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front loads, I just find it more 
>> pleasing to look at. 
>>
>> Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks who 
>> can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have spent 
>> YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
>> Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
>> Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags means that 
>> through trial and error, we have decided that it works better for us and it 
>> "feels better." NOT saying it IS better, even though I feel just as 
>> strongly about front-loading as OP does about rear-loading. But if we all 
>> rode the same way, how boring this would all be and how would I be able to 
>> pick up cheap niche bike gear at a discounted rate when all you indecisive 
>> Riv Riders decide that "PAUL BRAKES ARE OUT AND V-BRAKES ARE IN!!!" or 
>> "BROOKS SADDLES ARE OVERRATED. I NEED A BERTHOUD!!!"
>>
>> (And babies like riding in front-baskets)
>>
>>
>> [image: 0-1.jpg][image: IMG_5539.jpg][image: IMG_7392.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I have basically the same reasoning as Ian, and also live in a city and 
>>> dont want to leave bags on my bike when I lock up, plus i like my daily bag 
>>> to not look too bikey (I use the shopsacks). Convenient and easy, easier to 
>>> pile up with whatever shit i want, take a jacket or sweater off if i get 
>>> hot, sling my lock into it. Does it affect handling? yep, but i dont really 
>>> mind that much for riding around town. If my situation was different maybe 
>>> id do things differently, but I tend to like having a at least a small 
>>> basket available for an around town bike. I like the way it looks too.
>>>
>>> -stephen
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 IMO, baggage ought to complement the handling characteristics of the 
 bicycle. My benchmark idea of handling has been formed by 30 years of 
 riding Rivendells which, IME, do best with rear loads, or at least loads 
 biased toward the rear and not the front.

 On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:18 PM ian m  wrote:

> I'm not sure how it makes more sense to put a bag into another bag 
> than into a baske

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Chris Halasz]

I concur with Patrick's assessment for his criteria. 

Popping off and on a set of Ortliebs is so quick and clean, and they carry 
so much, and roll up so nicely, and the handy shoulder straps make them 
great for shopping, farmer's market or otherwise. 

As for weight, our little ten-pound Dorkie loved a bike ride, and while she 
preferred the front basket, when we transition her basket to the rear rack, 
the stability (she loved to move around, especially side-to-side on 
corners) improvement was significant. 

Cheers

Chris

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:02:44 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> I, too, have tried many iterations. My go-to for my commute is saddlesack 
> and front basket. I can fit almost all my stuff in the saddlesack. The 
> front basket is for taking off my jacket or occasional stops to the library 
> or grocery. 
>
> When I've ridden in and stopped at a place where I'm not sure about bike 
> safety, the saddlesack is a bummer, though. Panniers are good for that 
> use... The saddlesack is so large and out of the way if one's not worried 
> about it getting stolen.
>
> Shoji
> arlington MA
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 8:57:07 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think a bike looks and feels incredibly unbalanced with just two big 
>> stuffed rear panniers. Like many here have stated, the super noodly 
>> rear-end just isn't desirable. And, if you're carrying so much stuff that 
>> you're filling two big panniers, why not balance the load a bit more and 
>> carry some gear up front? Like Samwise Gamgee says, "share the load".
>>
>> -Brian
>> Lex KY 
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:54:54 AM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> If we're comparing front loads, poppers and ribs
>>>
>>> [image: wVRl7xH.jpg] [image: 4MaD0iL.jpg]
>>> [image: hws6znn.jpg] [image: Sn20Bp4.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:15:37 AM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Best is both worlds! A 137 up front with either my swift sugarloaf or 
 shopsack and 1 or 2 panniers in the rear. About all one could ask for with 
 nearly all day-long commuting or utilitarian purposes. I scored the most 
 recent version of an Ortlieb Vario off eBay. That has been the ultimate 
 solution. As much as I despise the hyper-engineered materials and 
 manufacturing processes, they have come up with a design so good that it 
 has reduced my resistance to some rides previously (needing a backpack, 
 but 
 not wanting to carry one, and not wanting to put it awkwardly in a basket, 
 or another pannier). I've gotten it down to maybe 3-5 seconds to switch 
 between pannier and backpack. What seals the deal, is that it holds weight 
 *exceptionally 
 well* as a backpack and is very comfortable, which I think no other 
 convertible backpack/panniers previously do very well. I use it every day 
 and carry significant weight of a mobile office into a co-working space. 
 Even if I paid full price, the value is very much there for me. 

 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:51:20 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and 
> bags are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes 
> handle with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that 
> comes from overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a 
> Costco 
> run or carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have 
> tried it all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm 
> on 
> a long tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift 
> Industries Jr. Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue 
> Panda Frame bag and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide 
> enough storage space for me. 
>
> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it 
> suits his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some 
> of 
> the replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that 
> there is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. 
> That's why we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the 
> bike style and set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand 
> rear-weight, simply because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails 
> on 
> a chalkboard to me. I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front 
> loads, 
> I just find it more pleasing to look at. 
>
> Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks 
> who can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have 
> spent 
> YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
> Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
> Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Chris Halasz]

Keith 

Did you return the same day? 

There is a small contingent of Rivbike cyclists in Santa Barbara. 

May have to organize a ride someday so folks can experience a Mountain 
Drive ride. 

- Chris 

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 6:42:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:

> Wonderful story! Love your writing:)
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:
>
>> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to 
>> SB, I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back 
>>> bars. Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
>>> building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 
>>>
>>> Armand
>>> Also in Santa Monica
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 Part 2:

 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got 
 to 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.


 It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none 
 of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.

 More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.


 [image: IMG_3390.jpg]

 I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on 
 dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated 
 for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often 
 connected by a frontage road.

 I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.

 The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
 Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on 
 ahead 
 to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.

 [image: IMG_3364.jpg]

 [image: IMG_3393.jpg]

 (That's 103 not 3)

 [image: IMG_3408.jpg]

 Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
 distance really.

 Always feels good to accomplish something new.


 [image: IMG_3435.GIF]

 The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.


 No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.

 The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.

 I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe 
 would help on long trips like this one.


 Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.


 Keith Paugh

 Los Angeles, CA
 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> 1.27.24
>
> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly 
> optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory 
> - 
> Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy 
> challenge 
> is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>
> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa 
> Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from 
> the 
> Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>
> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>
> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of 
> short, and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>
> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 
> 300 calories per hour of riding. 
>
> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
> calories."
>
> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at 
> any given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories 
> as 
> well as eating them.
>
> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with the 
> proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my goal 
> was reaching half the distance.
>
> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 
> 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus 
> stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning 
> to 
> not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride back. 
> They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the finish 
> with 
> ample time for their return trip.
>
> [image: IMG_3372.jpg]
>
> Riding early by bike light is always a treat. Devoid of its usual 
> measure of traffic, Los Angeles is a different town in the dark, and your 
> required level of city-riding spatial vigilance can relax to a pleasant 
> degree. 
>
> It was cool out but not cold, and I took off 

[RBW] Re: Brake cables and housing

[Piaw Na]

I've had brake cables and housing good for 15 years on my 3 Ti frames with 
a total of around 4 miles, rain or shine (you don't break bike frames 
if you don't ride). The brakes worked fine throughout the 15 years and I 
only swapped out for newer cables when I got my Roadini and noted how good 
the brakes felt despite the longer calipers. I attributed that to the fancy 
Shimano Optislick cable set I'd gotten on sale (https://amzn.to/3HHOdl4), 
but after the replacement realized it was just that 15 years is probably 
asking a bit much. But in any case it wasn't a safety issue!

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9:21:19 AM UTC-8 John Bokman wrote:

> Obviously there are infinite variables (weather, amount of miles ridden, 
> etc.), but the question is: 
> How often do you all change your cables and housing? 
>
> I ride daily, often in wet conditions. My braking is sufficient, but I'm 
> always wondering if it couldn't be a bit better with new cable and housing? 
> Of course that requires removing my years old, many layered shellac over 
> cloth tape
>
> Just curious.
>
> John
> Portland, OR
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro R559 brakes, Shimano 105 RD, Fabric Scoop Pro Radius Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

Still have the saddle and RD. Happy to entertain offers. Would just like to 
move them along.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 1:26:14 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The brakes are claimed.
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am still trying to reduce my stockpile pf parts. 
>>
>> 1. Tektro R559 long reach caliper brakes. These are new but out of a 
>> package which is how Rivendell sells them for some reason. Also the logo on 
>> one is light gray on one and black on the other. I don't second guess what 
>> Rivendell sells me. Allen head version. *$50 shipped*
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brakes-sidepull-tektro-r559-allen
>>
>> 2. Shimano short cage rear derailler. 105 in a sleek matte silver color. 
>> I got this for a roadini so it would be great for a road setup. Light and 
>> attractive. Here is a page that gives you all of the details. I bought it 
>> new but there seems to be some small marks from storage. Nothing that can 
>> be seen without inspecting it closely. *$30 shipped*
>>
>>
>> https://www.thebikesmiths.com/products/shimano-rd5701?variant=39726174634144
>>
>> 3. Fabric Pro Radius Saddle. These are high high high on my recommend 
>> list. I am moving this along because my stash of Fabric saddles exceeds 
>> what I will need to use for a long time. My two favorite saddles are the 
>> Fabric Scoop and the Fizik Aliante. But the Fizik is a different style now 
>> so these win out. They are comfortable, great for almost all riding styles, 
>> non-leather (huge plus for an animal lover such as myself) and silly light. 
>> Just under 200 grams. Its carbon but don't let Grant convince you these 
>> aren't great.  Its in really good shape. I am not sure if this one was ever 
>> mounted or used. If it was it was low miles. *$50 shipped*
>>
>> https://fabric.cc/products/saddles/scoop-pro-radius-142mm-saddle/
>>
>> [image: PXL_20240122_200108969.jpg][image: PXL_20240122_200204824.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Brake cables and housing

[John Bokman]

Obviously there are infinite variables (weather, amount of miles ridden, 
etc.), but the question is: 
How often do you all change your cables and housing? 

I ride daily, often in wet conditions. My braking is sufficient, but I'm 
always wondering if it couldn't be a bit better with new cable and housing? 
Of course that requires removing my years old, many layered shellac over 
cloth tape

Just curious.

John
Portland, OR

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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[John Dewey]

BTW, another little 'pro' tip 

When you put your bike up, release tension on RD by shifting to the end so
that spring is relaxed. For sure, I have no empirical evidence this extends
spring life / strength, but it can't hurt, right?

Jock

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:56 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Robert, I've been shifting with XT M760 RR on JD bikes for many years. No
> derailleur envy or interest in experimenting with other systems. I
> collected them and so very happy I did. They were plentiful and reasonably
> priced...until they weren't.
>
> Grant is now building RR rear mechs, too, as I bet y'all know. It's
> beneficial to have the power going up the cassette when you need the extra
> juice.
>
> BTW, YMMV...but I'm not so good at shifting back & forth, i.e. moving from
> RR / normal / RR / normal. I find it difficult to switch habits.
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:05 AM Robert Blunt  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9
>> speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which
>> has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[John Dewey]

Robert, I've been shifting with XT M760 RR on JD bikes for many years. No
derailleur envy or interest in experimenting with other systems. I
collected them and so very happy I did. They were plentiful and reasonably
priced...until they weren't.

Grant is now building RR rear mechs, too, as I bet y'all know. It's
beneficial to have the power going up the cassette when you need the extra
juice.

BTW, YMMV...but I'm not so good at shifting back & forth, i.e. moving from
RR / normal / RR / normal. I find it difficult to switch habits.

Jock

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:05 AM Robert Blunt  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9
> speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which
> has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

Hi Kyle-

I enjoyed the ride report. Looks like you guys made it through the locks. 
Lovely Homer! Maybe I’ll see you around Seattle. 

Josh Youngberg
Bainbridge Island, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I, too, have tried many iterations. My go-to for my commute is saddlesack 
and front basket. I can fit almost all my stuff in the saddlesack. The 
front basket is for taking off my jacket or occasional stops to the library 
or grocery. 

When I've ridden in and stopped at a place where I'm not sure about bike 
safety, the saddlesack is a bummer, though. Panniers are good for that 
use... The saddlesack is so large and out of the way if one's not worried 
about it getting stolen.

Shoji
arlington MA

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 8:57:07 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think a bike looks and feels incredibly unbalanced with just two big 
> stuffed rear panniers. Like many here have stated, the super noodly 
> rear-end just isn't desirable. And, if you're carrying so much stuff that 
> you're filling two big panniers, why not balance the load a bit more and 
> carry some gear up front? Like Samwise Gamgee says, "share the load".
>
> -Brian
> Lex KY 
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:54:54 AM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> If we're comparing front loads, poppers and ribs
>>
>> [image: wVRl7xH.jpg] [image: 4MaD0iL.jpg]
>> [image: hws6znn.jpg] [image: Sn20Bp4.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:15:37 AM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Best is both worlds! A 137 up front with either my swift sugarloaf or 
>>> shopsack and 1 or 2 panniers in the rear. About all one could ask for with 
>>> nearly all day-long commuting or utilitarian purposes. I scored the most 
>>> recent version of an Ortlieb Vario off eBay. That has been the ultimate 
>>> solution. As much as I despise the hyper-engineered materials and 
>>> manufacturing processes, they have come up with a design so good that it 
>>> has reduced my resistance to some rides previously (needing a backpack, but 
>>> not wanting to carry one, and not wanting to put it awkwardly in a basket, 
>>> or another pannier). I've gotten it down to maybe 3-5 seconds to switch 
>>> between pannier and backpack. What seals the deal, is that it holds weight 
>>> *exceptionally 
>>> well* as a backpack and is very comfortable, which I think no other 
>>> convertible backpack/panniers previously do very well. I use it every day 
>>> and carry significant weight of a mobile office into a co-working space. 
>>> Even if I paid full price, the value is very much there for me. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:51:20 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and 
 bags are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes 
 handle with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that 
 comes from overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a 
 Costco 
 run or carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have 
 tried it all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm 
 on 
 a long tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift 
 Industries Jr. Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue 
 Panda Frame bag and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide 
 enough storage space for me. 

 It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it 
 suits his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of 
 the replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that 
 there is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. 
 That's why we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the 
 bike style and set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand 
 rear-weight, simply because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails 
 on 
 a chalkboard to me. I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front 
 loads, 
 I just find it more pleasing to look at. 

 Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks 
 who can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have spent 
 YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
 Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
 Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags means that 
 through trial and error, we have decided that it works better for us and 
 it 
 "feels better." NOT saying it IS better, even though I feel just as 
 strongly about front-loading as OP does about rear-loading. But if we all 
 rode the same way, how boring this would all be and how would I be able to 
 pick up cheap niche bike gear at a discounted rate when all you indecisive 
 Riv Riders decide that "PAUL BRAKES ARE OUT AND V-BRAKES ARE IN!!!" or 
 "BROOKS SADDLES ARE OVERRATED. I NEED A BERTHOUD!!!"

 (And babies like riding in front-baskets)


 [image: 0-1.jpg][image: IMG_5539.jpg][image: IMG_7392.jpg]

 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 

[RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur rec

[Bill Lindsay]

If you are running compact double setups, the M760 in the GS (short) cage 
length is a nice choice.  I have a big stockpile of them.  I'd let a new 
one go for $100 shipped and a used one go for $75 shipped.  Let me know if 
you want photos.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 5:06:03 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9 
> speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which 
> has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington NJ
>

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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[tio ryan]

I recently installed a *Shimano XTR RD-M960 SGS* on my Platypus and it 
feels fantastic with the Suntour power ratchet  

(there is no ferrule on the cable here bc I wanted to wrap the chainstay 
first) 
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This one. My first & only. Definitely fits the bill.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 2, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Robert Blunt  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9 
> speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which 
> has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Sally Bidleman]

Wonderful story! Love your writing:)

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:

> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to SB,
> I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back bars.
>> Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done
>> building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by!
>>
>> Armand
>> Also in Santa Monica
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Part 2:
>>>
>>> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got to
>>> 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none
>>> of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>>>
>>> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>>>
>>> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on
>>> dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated
>>> for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often
>>> connected by a frontage road.
>>>
>>> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>>>
>>> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa
>>> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on ahead
>>> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>>>
>>> (That's 103 not 3)
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>>>
>>> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full
>>> distance really.
>>>
>>> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>>>
>>> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>>>
>>>
>>> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>>>
>>> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>>>
>>> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe would
>>> help on long trips like this one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith Paugh
>>>
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 1.27.24

 Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly
 optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory -
 Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy challenge
 is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.

 The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa
 Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from the
 Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.

 Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about
 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance.

 Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of short,
 and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.

 It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 -
 300 calories per hour of riding.

 I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and
 calories."

 I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at any
 given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories as well
 as eating them.

 Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with the
 proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my goal
 was reaching half the distance.

 The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by
 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus
 stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning to
 not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride back.
 They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the finish with
 ample time for their return trip.

 [image: IMG_3372.jpg]

 Riding early by bike light is always a treat. Devoid of its usual
 measure of traffic, Los Angeles is a different town in the dark, and your
 required level of city-riding spatial vigilance can relax to a pleasant
 degree.

 It was cool out but not cold, and I took off my riding jacket early on.

 I had hemmed and hawed about cutting the zip ties on my racing basket
 and leaving it behind... In the end, I recognized whatever loss in
 aerodynamics was going to be negligible for me, and having a place to shed
 layers and plastic bags of dry roasted peanuts was a welcome convenience.

 The stretch of PCH in Santa Monica is one of the few that doesn’t have
 an ample shoulder for bikes to stay out of the right 

Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Guy LeVan]

I’m a fan of the Berthoud Aubisque saddles and have two - one of the only 
saddles I’ve used that is comfortable right out of the box.  Lots to choose 
from out there, saddle wise, but for leather saddles, I really dig the 
Aubisque. Replacement leather tops available, and high quality 
craftsmanship- what’s not to like?  

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 3:33:41 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> I was shopping for a longer lasting saddle than post-Selle Italia B-17 
> among RIvet models after meeting Deb Banks at the  Philly Bike Expo and 
> picked the Diablo on dimensions.
>
> Turns out either my rear end is an odd measuring device or saddles cannot 
> be compared effectively by simple linear dimensioning. Turns out to be the 
> latter and why Rivet has a 364 day return/exchange policy. I traded for and 
> ended up loving the slotted Pearl. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 12:05:05 AM UTC-5 mike goldman wrote:
>
>> Rivet Pearl saddle is close to a B17 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[ian m]

Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to SB, 
I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back bars. 
> Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
> building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 
>
> Armand
> Also in Santa Monica
>
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Part 2:
>>
>> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got to 
>> 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>>
>>
>> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none of 
>> the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>>
>> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>>
>> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on dedicated 
>> bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated for long 
>> stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often connected 
>> by a frontage road.
>>
>> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>>
>> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
>> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on ahead 
>> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>>
>> (That's 103 not 3)
>>
>> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>>
>> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
>> distance really.
>>
>> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>>
>> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>>
>>
>> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>>
>> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>>
>> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe would 
>> help on long trips like this one.
>>
>>
>> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>>
>>
>> Keith Paugh
>>
>> Los Angeles, CA
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> 1.27.24
>>>
>>> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly optimistic. 
>>> I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory - Maybe the 
>>> proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy challenge is just 
>>> what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>>>
>>> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa Barbara 
>>> on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from the Santa 
>>> Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>>>
>>> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
>>> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>>>
>>> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of short, 
>>> and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>>>
>>> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 300 
>>> calories per hour of riding. 
>>>
>>> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
>>> calories."
>>>
>>> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at any 
>>> given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories as well 
>>> as eating them.
>>>
>>> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with the 
>>> proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my goal 
>>> was reaching half the distance.
>>>
>>> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 5:00. 
>>> Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus stronger 
>>> riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning to not only 
>>> ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride back. They laid 
>>> out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the finish with ample time 
>>> for their return trip.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3372.jpg]
>>>
>>> Riding early by bike light is always a treat. Devoid of its usual 
>>> measure of traffic, Los Angeles is a different town in the dark, and your 
>>> required level of city-riding spatial vigilance can relax to a pleasant 
>>> degree. 
>>>
>>> It was cool out but not cold, and I took off my riding jacket early on.
>>>
>>> I had hemmed and hawed about cutting the zip ties on my racing basket 
>>> and leaving it behind... In the end, I recognized whatever loss in 
>>> aerodynamics was going to be negligible for me, and having a place to shed 
>>> layers and plastic bags of dry roasted peanuts was a welcome convenience.
>>>
>>> The stretch of PCH in Santa Monica is one of the few that doesn’t have 
>>> an ample shoulder for bikes to stay out of the right lane. We rode in a 
>>> column, pulling each other along in a stream till we reached the hills at 
>>> Pepperdine University.
>>>
>>> I’ve learned I can climb most things if I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Brian Turner]

I think a bike looks and feels incredibly unbalanced with just two big 
stuffed rear panniers. Like many here have stated, the super noodly 
rear-end just isn't desirable. And, if you're carrying so much stuff that 
you're filling two big panniers, why not balance the load a bit more and 
carry some gear up front? Like Samwise Gamgee says, "share the load".

-Brian
Lex KY 

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:54:54 AM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> If we're comparing front loads, poppers and ribs
>
> [image: wVRl7xH.jpg] [image: 4MaD0iL.jpg]
> [image: hws6znn.jpg] [image: Sn20Bp4.jpg]
>
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:15:37 AM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Best is both worlds! A 137 up front with either my swift sugarloaf or 
>> shopsack and 1 or 2 panniers in the rear. About all one could ask for with 
>> nearly all day-long commuting or utilitarian purposes. I scored the most 
>> recent version of an Ortlieb Vario off eBay. That has been the ultimate 
>> solution. As much as I despise the hyper-engineered materials and 
>> manufacturing processes, they have come up with a design so good that it 
>> has reduced my resistance to some rides previously (needing a backpack, but 
>> not wanting to carry one, and not wanting to put it awkwardly in a basket, 
>> or another pannier). I've gotten it down to maybe 3-5 seconds to switch 
>> between pannier and backpack. What seals the deal, is that it holds weight 
>> *exceptionally 
>> well* as a backpack and is very comfortable, which I think no other 
>> convertible backpack/panniers previously do very well. I use it every day 
>> and carry significant weight of a mobile office into a co-working space. 
>> Even if I paid full price, the value is very much there for me. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:51:20 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and bags 
>>> are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes handle 
>>> with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that comes from 
>>> overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a Costco run or 
>>> carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have tried it 
>>> all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm on a long 
>>> tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift Industries Jr. 
>>> Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue Panda Frame bag 
>>> and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide enough storage space 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it suits 
>>> his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of the 
>>> replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that there 
>>> is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. That's why 
>>> we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the bike style and 
>>> set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand rear-weight, simply 
>>> because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
>>> I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front loads, I just find it more 
>>> pleasing to look at. 
>>>
>>> Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks who 
>>> can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have spent 
>>> YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
>>> Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
>>> Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags means that 
>>> through trial and error, we have decided that it works better for us and it 
>>> "feels better." NOT saying it IS better, even though I feel just as 
>>> strongly about front-loading as OP does about rear-loading. But if we all 
>>> rode the same way, how boring this would all be and how would I be able to 
>>> pick up cheap niche bike gear at a discounted rate when all you indecisive 
>>> Riv Riders decide that "PAUL BRAKES ARE OUT AND V-BRAKES ARE IN!!!" or 
>>> "BROOKS SADDLES ARE OVERRATED. I NEED A BERTHOUD!!!"
>>>
>>> (And babies like riding in front-baskets)
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: 0-1.jpg][image: IMG_5539.jpg][image: IMG_7392.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I have basically the same reasoning as Ian, and also live in a city and 
 dont want to leave bags on my bike when I lock up, plus i like my daily 
 bag 
 to not look too bikey (I use the shopsacks). Convenient and easy, easier 
 to 
 pile up with whatever shit i want, take a jacket or sweater off if i get 
 hot, sling my lock into it. Does it affect handling? yep, but i dont 
 really 
 mind that much for riding around town. If my situation was different maybe 
 id do things differently, but I tend to like having a at least a small 
 basket available for an around town bike. I like the way it looks too.

 

Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[m f]

I like using the front for my gear because it just seems a bit easier to 
mount/dismount the bike in that configuration. Rear panniers have a time 
and place, but just not for 99% of my riding.

Hey acksf78...Tell me you're on Instagram without telling me :) 
*I have tried it all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again 
unless I'm on a long tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, 
Swift Industries Jr. Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, 
Rogue Panda Frame bag and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't 
provide enough storage space for me*



On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 6:54:54 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:

> If we're comparing front loads, poppers and ribs
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> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:15:37 AM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Best is both worlds! A 137 up front with either my swift sugarloaf or 
>> shopsack and 1 or 2 panniers in the rear. About all one could ask for with 
>> nearly all day-long commuting or utilitarian purposes. I scored the most 
>> recent version of an Ortlieb Vario off eBay. That has been the ultimate 
>> solution. As much as I despise the hyper-engineered materials and 
>> manufacturing processes, they have come up with a design so good that it 
>> has reduced my resistance to some rides previously (needing a backpack, but 
>> not wanting to carry one, and not wanting to put it awkwardly in a basket, 
>> or another pannier). I've gotten it down to maybe 3-5 seconds to switch 
>> between pannier and backpack. What seals the deal, is that it holds weight 
>> *exceptionally 
>> well* as a backpack and is very comfortable, which I think no other 
>> convertible backpack/panniers previously do very well. I use it every day 
>> and carry significant weight of a mobile office into a co-working space. 
>> Even if I paid full price, the value is very much there for me. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:51:20 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and bags 
>>> are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes handle 
>>> with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that comes from 
>>> overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a Costco run or 
>>> carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have tried it 
>>> all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm on a long 
>>> tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift Industries Jr. 
>>> Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue Panda Frame bag 
>>> and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide enough storage space 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it suits 
>>> his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of the 
>>> replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that there 
>>> is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. That's why 
>>> we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the bike style and 
>>> set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand rear-weight, simply 
>>> because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
>>> I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front loads, I just find it more 
>>> pleasing to look at. 
>>>
>>> Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks who 
>>> can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have spent 
>>> YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
>>> Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
>>> Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags means that 
>>> through trial and error, we have decided that it works better for us and it 
>>> "feels better." NOT saying it IS better, even though I feel just as 
>>> strongly about front-loading as OP does about rear-loading. But if we all 
>>> rode the same way, how boring this would all be and how would I be able to 
>>> pick up cheap niche bike gear at a discounted rate when all you indecisive 
>>> Riv Riders decide that "PAUL BRAKES ARE OUT AND V-BRAKES ARE IN!!!" or 
>>> "BROOKS SADDLES ARE OVERRATED. I NEED A BERTHOUD!!!"
>>>
>>> (And babies like riding in front-baskets)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I have basically the same reasoning as Ian, and also live in a city and 
 dont want to leave bags on my bike when I lock up, plus i like my daily 
 bag 
 to not look too bikey (I use the shopsacks). Convenient and easy, easier 
 to 
 pile up with whatever shit i want, take a jacket or sweater off if i get 
 hot, sling my lock into it. Does it affect handling? yep, but i dont 
 really 
 mind that much for 

Re: [RBW] WTB: Fork Crown Headlight Bracket

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for writing back. I have a bracket like that, and unfortunately the bend is not sharp enough to clear the headset.I found a bracket like mine on eBay, so I’ll be back on the road soon.Eric Nwww.CampyOnly.comInstagram: @CampyOnlyGuyTwitter: @CampyOnlyGuyOn Feb 2, 2024, at 4:43 AM, Peter White  wrote:Any chance this might work?On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:14 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:The bracket that has bravely held up the headlight on my Quickbeam finally gave up the ghost today. Does anybody have one like it rattling around your parts bin?

I tried many kinds, and this is the only one that fits in the somewhat tight space between the fender and headset—note the 90-degree bend, with the angle at the bottom. I’ve highlighted the bracket in the photos to hopefully make it easier to see.

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If you have one, please contact me. I can’t remember where this one came from, but it was the only one of its kind that I had … and now it’s broken!

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[RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9
speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which
has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
Robert Blunt
Pennington NJ

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Fork Crown Headlight Bracket

[Peter White]

Any chance this might work?

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On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:14 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The bracket that has bravely held up the headlight on my Quickbeam finally
> gave up the ghost today. Does anybody have one like it rattling around your
> parts bin?
>
> I tried many kinds, and this is the only one that fits in the somewhat
> tight space between the fender and headset—note the 90-degree bend, with
> the angle at the bottom. I’ve highlighted the bracket in the photos to
> hopefully make it easier to see.
>
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>
>
> If you have one, please contact me. I can’t remember where this one came
> from, but it was the only one of its kind that I had … and now it’s broken!
>
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] FS: Shimano bar-end pods

[Will Boericke]

Sold!

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024, 6:51 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Sitting in my parts bin.  New Shimano pods ready for your favorite
> shifters.  $30 shipped.
>
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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[ascpgh]

I was shopping for a longer lasting saddle than post-Selle Italia B-17 
among RIvet models after meeting Deb Banks at the  Philly Bike Expo and 
picked the Diablo on dimensions.

Turns out either my rear end is an odd measuring device or saddles cannot 
be compared effectively by simple linear dimensioning. Turns out to be the 
latter and why Rivet has a 364 day return/exchange policy. I traded for and 
ended up loving the slotted Pearl. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 12:05:05 AM UTC-5 mike goldman wrote:

> Rivet Pearl saddle is close to a B17
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