Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[John Rinker]

hey Robert,

That's a great little film! Wow! Those Bromptons sure don't look very 
stable at speed, but they fit nicely on those rafts. I love that Alistair 
was wearing an airline pfd. Hopefully, the person in his seat on the next 
flight didn't need it.

Thanks for sharing that.
Cheers, John

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 6:08:34 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

>   It looks like you've got a pannier of some sort attached to the left 
> fork. Did you leave that attached? BTW, that's some Appaloosa! Beautiful 
> color. Root beer?
>
> It was on in the early iterations to hold the PFD. I eventually figured 
> out a better way to hold it on a rear rack - the pannier acted a bit like a 
> reverse sail.
>
> The color is standard orange, but with a lovely dusting of Sacramento dirt 
> and sand :)
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Collin A]

  It looks like you've got a pannier of some sort attached to the left 
fork. Did you leave that attached? BTW, that's some Appaloosa! Beautiful 
color. Root beer?

It was on in the early iterations to hold the PFD. I eventually figured out 
a better way to hold it on a rear rack - the pannier acted a bit like a 
reverse sail.

The color is standard orange, but with a lovely dusting of Sacramento dirt 
and sand :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: I have questions

[Peter Adler]

Essentially, this was what Busch & Muller did with the Luxos U, which 
everyone but me seems to have disliked. It's one of the heaviest LED 
headlights of the last 15 years, specifically because there's a lithium 
battery inside the headlight enclosure. The dynamo charges up the battery, 
and then the battery allows a steady-level filtered power to the USB device 
and (I believe) both the head and tail lights. The headlight's stand light 
definitely comes off the internal battery, rather than from a capacitor; 
when I come into the house with my headlight on and wander away without 
switching it pff, it will sometimes stay lit for a few hours - which I 
often only notice when I'm switching off all the ceiling lights as I go to 
bed.

"Hey! That damn headlight's still on!"

The steady power supply eliminates the risk of damage to USB-chargeable 
computerish devices, or at least reduces the risk. It's the same as any 
other USB storage battery, although it's smaller than most external 
charging bricks.

I got a lot of experience using the charger in February-April 2020, just 
before and going into the pandemic. The Bay Area had a horrendous windstorm 
on February 9, with winds approaching 70 MPH near the Bay and 110-120 on 
the crest of the Berkeley Hills. Among other damage at my house (two large 
branches torn off a giant incense cedar in my backyard which came crashing 
down on my neighbor's elaborately maintained garden, just as my neighbor 
and his wife were looking out the back window to see what the storm was 
doing - resulting in nearly a year of financial drama), the storm made the 
city-owned street tree in my parking strip sway wildly, finally ripping the 
power drop cable from PG out of my wall, cutting off all electricity. 
After PG capped the live line and told me that the location of the break 
meant that it was my financial responsibility to fix, I restored the 
connection and then got into a two-month pissing match with PG (every 
Northern Californian's most hated utility) before they reconnected it after 
I pulled strings with then-Berkeley City Councilmember Kate Harrison, who 
called up a midlevel exec at the utility and did a little yelling. My power 
was restarted before the end of that day.

In the meantime, my life sort of stopped. I was roaming around the city 
with power strips, charging bricks, and chargers for a laptop and phone 
trying to collect enough juice each day from libraries and cafes to limp 
through the night and do it all again the next day. The generator+USB 
charger on the Luxos U came into play, both to incrementally recharge my 
phone and to charge charger bricks, which I could then use to recharge 
other gadgets. The experience taught me a lot of survivalist skills, and it 
also taught me where there are uncontrolled publicly accessible wall 
sockets and WiFi (East Bay tidbit: There are tons of open AC outlets on 
Lower Sproul Plaza at UC Berkeley, presumably for prospective 
students/parents on campus tours, and the open WiFi network from the ASUC 
student union is crazy fast. A lot of the Telegraph Avenue street people 
take advantage of what's essentially a public resource).

To the best of my knowledge, no current USB-charger headlight includes an 
internal battery. This makes sense; the extra weight of the Luxos U was a 
factor in breaking two front mounting bolts for MAFAC centerpulls, as I had 
mounted the headlight at the end of one of those little TA handlebar bag 
racks that attach to the mounting bolt and the pivot bolts of MAFAC brakes. 
I believe the extra weight plus the vibration of the rack while moving 
stressed weak points in the 50-70 year old brake mounting bolt that opened 
up micro-cracks that wouldn't have expanded much without the stress.

If you're really nervous about the risk of an irregular power supply to 
recharge sensitive gadgets, then using the charger to recharge a brick is a 
natural, especially if you're using a front rack and/or front/handlebar 
bag: Stick the brick in the bag (or strap it to the rack), run an 
appropriate cable from the charger to the brick, and ride on. Then you can 
use the brick to charge whatever USB thing you've got once you're off the 
bike.

Peter "unwilling survivalist" Adler
Berkeley, California

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:08:28 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

I’m glad everyone knows all these things and then shares because I’m in 
need of it. I didn’t know you could damage your phone charging it in dyno. 
Will this be true even of the German master engineers at Schmidt when their 
new edelux hits the market? They say it charges 10 volts… Max, is that a 
better thing?

https://nabendynamo.de/en/new-edelux-headlight-with-high-beam-function-2/

I wouldn’t be opposed to the charging brick, either; I just hadn’t thought 
of it.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[rltilley]

This is one that stuck with me. Packing a raft on a Brompton in the UK.Expedition by Bike and Boatyoutu.beRobert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:I'm not in the market, sorry, but I find that little inflatable very interesting. Is the boat designed specifically for packing on a bike, then floating the bike down river, then back to bike packing? I didn't know that this combination was a thing.And isn't the Appaloosa a long wheelbase model? Do they make kayak-specific bikes? (Recall a long-ago Boblist member planning a custom small-wheel backpacking bike for wilderness trips.)The reason I'm interested is that my next door neighbor (ex Serotta brazer back when Serotta built in steel and former roadie, but as a mail carrier nearing 60 he now finds that his daily load carrying uses up his energy) and his wife like to pack inflatable kayaks to the Rio Grande (the river is about 1/2 mile East of my front door, but they pack the kayak/s north to a Corrales entry point), float downriver about 6-8 miles, then take the other car back to pick up the first car. I think he once or twice packed the kayak north on his bike, locked bike, floated down, then drove back to pick up bike.If you or anyone else cares to post photos of kayak/boat excursions, I'd be delighted to see them.On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:16 PM Collin A  wrote:Folks,It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't forsee it being something I continue with.Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.You'll get:Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer or internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with the seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears, abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried after every use.https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribouAquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in sunwave. This is light and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It was bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the epoxy, but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of the paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 200cm lengthWhiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua BoundNot pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bagBackstory:I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.It served as a great extension to my normal bike rides during the hot summer months and the weird time of COVID, and really opened up my eyes to what you can accomplish via bike. If you have a river near you, I'd strongly recommend giving it a shot.Collin in Riverless Berkeley



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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Collin; insights into a new -- to me -- pastime. If I were younger
I might have tried it on the Rio Grande.

Folbots: I remember those being advertised at the way back of National
Geographics in the 1960s.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 2:19 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I've posted my "Joe-Rafter" here before and I think John Rinkler picked
> one up in the winter?
>
> But yes, this raft was designed with having a heavy bike loaded on the
> front of the raft, no mini/foldable/small wheeled bike required. I
> essentially used it to bike up river, strap my bike to it, paddle down
> river, hop back on the bike, then pedal home. It saves having to stage a
> car as your friends and most others with a kayak do it. Its not as fast as
> a kayak (although, that's partly due to the engine as the argument goes),
> but also exceedingly light and packable. So the idea is you never have to
> worry about locking/staging anything and just bring everything with you on
> all legs of the trip!
>
> I added another photo and video of what its like with the bike on the
> front of the raft.
>
> Collin
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:03:10 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm not in the market, sorry, but I find that little inflatable very
>> interesting. Is the boat designed specifically for packing on a bike, then
>> floating the bike down river, then back to bike packing? I didn't know that
>> this combination was a thing.
>>
>> And isn't the Appaloosa a long wheelbase model? Do they make
>> kayak-specific bikes? (Recall a long-ago Boblist member planning a custom
>> small-wheel backpacking bike for wilderness trips.)
>>
>> The reason I'm interested is that my next door neighbor (ex Serotta
>> brazer back when Serotta built in steel and former roadie, but as a mail
>> carrier nearing 60 he now finds that his daily load carrying uses up his
>> energy) and his wife like to pack inflatable kayaks to the Rio Grande (the
>> river is about 1/2 mile East of my front door, but they pack the kayak/s
>> north to a Corrales entry point), float downriver about 6-8 miles, then
>> take the other car back to pick up the first car. I think *he* once or
>> twice packed the kayak north on his bike, locked bike, floated down, then
>> drove back to pick up bike.
>>
>> If you or anyone else cares to post photos of kayak/boat excursions, I'd
>> be delighted to see them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:16 PM Collin A  wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup
>>> for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't
>>> forsee it being something I continue with.
>>>
>>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
>>> Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.
>>>
>>> You'll get:
>>>
>>>- Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer
>>>or internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with the
>>>seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears,
>>>abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried
>>>after every use.
>>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
>>>   - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This
>>>is *light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It
>>>was bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the
>>>epoxy, but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of
>>>the paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition.
>>>200cm length
>>>   - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua
>>>   Bound
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your
>>>phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
>>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bag
>>>
>>> Backstory:
>>> I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it
>>> extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up
>>> the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down
>>> the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of
>>> leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake
>>> Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.
>>>
>>> It served as a great extension to my normal bike rides during the hot
>>> summer months and the weird time of COVID, and really opened up my eyes to
>>> what you can accomplish via bike. If you have a river near you, I'd
>>> strongly recommend giving it a shot.
>>>
>>> Collin in Riverless Berkeley
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[John Rinker]

Thanks Colin. Iterating the set-up that's just right for me will only add 
to the fun! It looks like you've got a pannier of some sort attached to the 
left fork. Did you leave that attached? BTW, that's some Appaloosa! 
Beautiful color. Root beer?

Aeroperf, that's a very cool TSF16. I once had the pleasure of paddling one 
for a short bit in calm water, but I didn't have to set it up nor break it 
down. I'm sure at some point one of those Rough stuff Fellowship riders 
tried to haul one by bike!

Cheers, John

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 3:49:32 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> TSF16 Folbot.  Disassembles to fit in a car, assembles into a 16 ft. kayak.
> You can't haul it on a bicycle (it weighs the same as a canoe), but you 
> CAN strap a bicycle to it and carry the bike.
> When I did the Allagash Wilderness Waterway, we made a cradle with two 
> bicycle wheels to move it through the (very few) portages.  RIP my 1957 
> Schwinn - had to get the wheels from somewhere.
>
> Before
> [image: Folbot_before.JPG]
>
> After
> [image: Folbot_after.JPG]
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[John Rinker]

Oooh and aaah! Thanks for the photos Colin. I wish you had posted this 
months ago before I bought mine! $1000 seems a good deal. C'est la vie! 

I have yet to use my Caribou as winter up here is more conducive to skating 
the river than floating it, but those days are coming soon. 

I appreciate seeing your photos as they help me visualize how my 62cm Hunq 
will ride the bow. Have you ever attached your Appaloosa without removing 
the rear wheel? 

I'm heading south in a few days and plan to paddle the boat in Utah and 
Arizona. I'm very excited to get the boat in the water finally.

Cheers, John

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:19:36 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I've posted my "Joe-Rafter" here before and I think John Rinkler picked 
> one up in the winter?
>
> But yes, this raft was designed with having a heavy bike loaded on the 
> front of the raft, no mini/foldable/small wheeled bike required. I 
> essentially used it to bike up river, strap my bike to it, paddle down 
> river, hop back on the bike, then pedal home. It saves having to stage a 
> car as your friends and most others with a kayak do it. Its not as fast as 
> a kayak (although, that's partly due to the engine as the argument goes), 
> but also exceedingly light and packable. So the idea is you never have to 
> worry about locking/staging anything and just bring everything with you on 
> all legs of the trip!
>
> I added another photo and video of what its like with the bike on the 
> front of the raft.
>
> Collin
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:03:10 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm not in the market, sorry, but I find that little inflatable very 
>> interesting. Is the boat designed specifically for packing on a bike, then 
>> floating the bike down river, then back to bike packing? I didn't know that 
>> this combination was a thing.
>>
>> And isn't the Appaloosa a long wheelbase model? Do they make 
>> kayak-specific bikes? (Recall a long-ago Boblist member planning a custom 
>> small-wheel backpacking bike for wilderness trips.)
>>
>> The reason I'm interested is that my next door neighbor (ex Serotta 
>> brazer back when Serotta built in steel and former roadie, but as a mail 
>> carrier nearing 60 he now finds that his daily load carrying uses up his 
>> energy) and his wife like to pack inflatable kayaks to the Rio Grande (the 
>> river is about 1/2 mile East of my front door, but they pack the kayak/s 
>> north to a Corrales entry point), float downriver about 6-8 miles, then 
>> take the other car back to pick up the first car. I think *he* once or 
>> twice packed the kayak north on his bike, locked bike, floated down, then 
>> drove back to pick up bike.
>>
>> If you or anyone else cares to post photos of kayak/boat excursions, I'd 
>> be delighted to see them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:16 PM Collin A  wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup 
>>> for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't 
>>> forsee it being something I continue with.
>>>
>>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
>>> Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.
>>>
>>> You'll get:
>>>
>>>- Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer 
>>>or internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with 
>>> the 
>>>seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears, 
>>>abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried 
>>>after every use.
>>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
>>>   - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This 
>>>is *light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It 
>>>was bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the 
>>>epoxy, but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of 
>>>the paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 
>>>200cm length
>>>   - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua 
>>>   Bound 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your 
>>>phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
>>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bag
>>>   
>>> Backstory:
>>> I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it 
>>> extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up 
>>> the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down 
>>> the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of 
>>> leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake 
>>> Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.
>>>
>>> It served as 

Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Collin A]

Patrick,

I've posted my "Joe-Rafter" here before and I think John Rinkler picked one 
up in the winter?

But yes, this raft was designed with having a heavy bike loaded on the 
front of the raft, no mini/foldable/small wheeled bike required. I 
essentially used it to bike up river, strap my bike to it, paddle down 
river, hop back on the bike, then pedal home. It saves having to stage a 
car as your friends and most others with a kayak do it. Its not as fast as 
a kayak (although, that's partly due to the engine as the argument goes), 
but also exceedingly light and packable. So the idea is you never have to 
worry about locking/staging anything and just bring everything with you on 
all legs of the trip!

I added another photo and video of what its like with the bike on the front 
of the raft.

Collin

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:03:10 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm not in the market, sorry, but I find that little inflatable very 
> interesting. Is the boat designed specifically for packing on a bike, then 
> floating the bike down river, then back to bike packing? I didn't know that 
> this combination was a thing.
>
> And isn't the Appaloosa a long wheelbase model? Do they make 
> kayak-specific bikes? (Recall a long-ago Boblist member planning a custom 
> small-wheel backpacking bike for wilderness trips.)
>
> The reason I'm interested is that my next door neighbor (ex Serotta brazer 
> back when Serotta built in steel and former roadie, but as a mail carrier 
> nearing 60 he now finds that his daily load carrying uses up his energy) 
> and his wife like to pack inflatable kayaks to the Rio Grande (the river is 
> about 1/2 mile East of my front door, but they pack the kayak/s north to a 
> Corrales entry point), float downriver about 6-8 miles, then take the other 
> car back to pick up the first car. I think *he* once or twice packed the 
> kayak north on his bike, locked bike, floated down, then drove back to pick 
> up bike.
>
> If you or anyone else cares to post photos of kayak/boat excursions, I'd 
> be delighted to see them.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:16 PM Collin A  wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup 
>> for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't 
>> forsee it being something I continue with.
>>
>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
>> Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.
>>
>> You'll get:
>>
>>- Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer 
>>or internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with the 
>>seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears, 
>>abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried 
>>after every use.
>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
>>   - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This is 
>>*light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It was 
>>bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the epoxy, 
>>but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of the 
>>paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 
>> 200cm 
>>length
>>   - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua 
>>   Bound 
>>   
>> 
>>   - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your 
>>phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bag
>>   
>> Backstory:
>> I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it 
>> extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up 
>> the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down 
>> the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of 
>> leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake 
>> Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.
>>
>> It served as a great extension to my normal bike rides during the hot 
>> summer months and the weird time of COVID, and really opened up my eyes to 
>> what you can accomplish via bike. If you have a river near you, I'd 
>> strongly recommend giving it a shot.
>>
>> Collin in Riverless Berkeley
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Patrick Moore]

"They" is the unspecified general predicate, not "Rivendell."

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 2:02 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... Do they make kayak-specific bikes?
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Patrick Moore]

I'm not in the market, sorry, but I find that little inflatable very
interesting. Is the boat designed specifically for packing on a bike, then
floating the bike down river, then back to bike packing? I didn't know that
this combination was a thing.

And isn't the Appaloosa a long wheelbase model? Do they make kayak-specific
bikes? (Recall a long-ago Boblist member planning a custom small-wheel
backpacking bike for wilderness trips.)

The reason I'm interested is that my next door neighbor (ex Serotta brazer
back when Serotta built in steel and former roadie, but as a mail carrier
nearing 60 he now finds that his daily load carrying uses up his energy)
and his wife like to pack inflatable kayaks to the Rio Grande (the river is
about 1/2 mile East of my front door, but they pack the kayak/s north to a
Corrales entry point), float downriver about 6-8 miles, then take the other
car back to pick up the first car. I think *he* once or twice packed the
kayak north on his bike, locked bike, floated down, then drove back to pick
up bike.

If you or anyone else cares to post photos of kayak/boat excursions, I'd be
delighted to see them.



On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:16 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup
> for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't
> forsee it being something I continue with.
>
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
> Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.
>
> You'll get:
>
>- Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer or
>internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with the
>seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears,
>abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried
>after every use.
>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
>   - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This is
>*light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It was
>bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the epoxy,
>but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of the
>paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 200cm
>length
>   - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua
>   Bound
>   
> 
>   - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your
>phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bag
>
> Backstory:
> I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it
> extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up
> the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down
> the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of
> leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake
> Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.
>
> It served as a great extension to my normal bike rides during the hot
> summer months and the weird time of COVID, and really opened up my eyes to
> what you can accomplish via bike. If you have a river near you, I'd
> strongly recommend giving it a shot.
>
> Collin in Riverless Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bosco and JJJ Bars

[Collin A]

Still looking :)

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 9:44:06 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Heyo,
>
> Looking to do a little cockpit refinement before touring season kicks off 
> and was hoping to get my hands on some well-loved (but not abused) 
> handlebars to help me achieve that without breaking the bank. Specifically 
> I am looking for:
>
>1. 52 cm heat treated Bosco bars
>2. Sycip JJJ or VO Granola bars, either in silver would be ideal
>
> If you've got some gathering dust, let me know and lets chat :)
>
> Happy Belated Equinox!
> Collin in Berkeley
>

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[RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Collin A]

Folks,

It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup 
for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't 
forsee it being something I continue with.

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.

You'll get:

   - Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer or 
   internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with the 
   seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears, 
   abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried 
   after every use.
  - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
  - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This is 
   *light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It was 
   bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the epoxy, 
   but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of the 
   paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 200cm 
   length
  - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua Bound 
  

  - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your 
   phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
  - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bag
  
Backstory:
I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it 
extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up 
the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down 
the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of 
leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake 
Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.

It served as a great extension to my normal bike rides during the hot 
summer months and the weird time of COVID, and really opened up my eyes to 
what you can accomplish via bike. If you have a river near you, I'd 
strongly recommend giving it a shot.

Collin in Riverless Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Mathias Steiner]

Asking prices are just exercises in first-amendment rights.

>> I see very basic build [..] going for $2k or more.

Not often you don't. The ones you see on Craigs or FB ain't went yet.

Problem is, many sellers don't understand that and basically wind up 
driving each other's pricing higher.

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 10:41:53 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> At least that Atlantis has some nice bits on it, Paul, velocity, and the 
> like. I see very basic builds, where I'd want to swap almost everything 
> out, going for $2K or more.
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 8:31:42 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This bike is only one million dollars, see honey, I'm trying!
>>
>>  Joe you nailed it. 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:25:11 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Hahahaha yeah, that makes sense, Joe 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:14:51 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I call it "spouse/SO says I have to sell" pricing. Somehow it never 
 sells! 

 On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-7 jonathan@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to 
> see
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme 
>> with Rivs for sale. 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style 
>>> MIT Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in 
>>> question 
>>> is possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My 
>>> frame of 
>>> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube 
>>> and 
>>> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better 
>>> reference 
>>> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for Cheviot Owners

[Doug H.]

I was thinking the same. Cheviots defy gravity!
Doug

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 9:49:59 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:

> that floating pic is a mind-bender! 
>
> -tio 
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:42:21 AM UTC-4 Olivier Chételat wrote:
>
>> Here is mine this afternoon..
>> I love my Cheviot.
>> I love my Cheviot a bit more than I love my Betty Foy (team long chain 
>> stay).
>> I will probably love a Platypus more than I love my Cheviot; I maxed out 
>> the tires at 55mm and I my sweet spot is 65. I want both the clearance and 
>> v-brake/canti studs a Platy offers. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Oli in SF
>>
>> [image: IMG_0272 (3).jpeg][image: IMG_0293 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Cheviots and I think they are so regal. This color is one of 
>>> my favorites, too. 
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2024, at 8:32 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love my Cheviot & don't see myself selling it. The novelty seeking 
>>> side of me was/is curious about the Platypus but I don't really see a 
>>> functional difference between the two (unless you're splitting hairs about 
>>> tire clearance and cantilever-posts) and I like the urbane look of the 
>>> Cheviot. My wife has a Platypus and loves it too. The Platypus/Cheviot are 
>>> maybe my favorite Rivendells ever made with the old Toyo Atlantis/Roadini 
>>> (which my wife also owns) being tied for second. Here's my 60...
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Josh C]

At least that Atlantis has some nice bits on it, Paul, velocity, and the 
like. I see very basic builds, where I'd want to swap almost everything 
out, going for $2K or more.

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 8:31:42 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> This bike is only one million dollars, see honey, I'm trying!
>
>  Joe you nailed it. 
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:25:11 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Hahahaha yeah, that makes sense, Joe 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:14:51 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I call it "spouse/SO says I have to sell" pricing. Somehow it never 
>>> sells! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-7 jonathan@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to see
 On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with 
> Rivs for sale. 
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
>> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question 
>> is 
>> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
>> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube 
>> and 
>> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better 
>> reference 
>> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for Cheviot Owners

[tio ryan]

that floating pic is a mind-bender! 

-tio 

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:42:21 AM UTC-4 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> Here is mine this afternoon..
> I love my Cheviot.
> I love my Cheviot a bit more than I love my Betty Foy (team long chain 
> stay).
> I will probably love a Platypus more than I love my Cheviot; I maxed out 
> the tires at 55mm and I my sweet spot is 65. I want both the clearance and 
> v-brake/canti studs a Platy offers. 
>
> Cheers!
>
> Oli in SF
>
> [image: IMG_0272 (3).jpeg][image: IMG_0293 (2).jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love the Cheviots and I think they are so regal. This color is one of 
>> my favorites, too. 
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2024, at 8:32 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>
>> I love my Cheviot & don't see myself selling it. The novelty seeking 
>> side of me was/is curious about the Platypus but I don't really see a 
>> functional difference between the two (unless you're splitting hairs about 
>> tire clearance and cantilever-posts) and I like the urbane look of the 
>> Cheviot. My wife has a Platypus and loves it too. The Platypus/Cheviot are 
>> maybe my favorite Rivendells ever made with the old Toyo Atlantis/Roadini 
>> (which my wife also owns) being tied for second. Here's my 60...
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Sarah Carlson]

This bike is only one million dollars, see honey, I'm trying!

 Joe you nailed it. 

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:25:11 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Hahahaha yeah, that makes sense, Joe 
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:14:51 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I call it "spouse/SO says I have to sell" pricing. Somehow it never 
>> sells! 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-7 jonathan@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to see
>>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with 
 Rivs for sale. 

 On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question is 
> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube 
> and 
> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better reference 
> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Narrow and Selle San Marco Regal saddles

[Julian Westerhout]

Price drop -- $65 plus shipping for the B17 narrow, $50 for the Regal plus 
shipping. 

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:54:53 AM UTC-5 Julian Westerhout wrote:

> For sale are two very lightly used saddles with original boxes. 
>
> The first is a Brook B17 Narrow   $75 plus shipping
>
> The second is a Selle San Marco Regal  $60 plus shipping 
>
> See photos for condition (both look very good -- minor discoloration of 
> rivets, and a tint nick on the underside of the Regal are all I can see). 
>
> All proceeds will go to my local bike co-op. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> [image: PXL_20240324_142255676.MP.jpeg][image: 
> PXL_20240324_142311263.jpeg][image: PXL_20240324_142317470.jpeg][image: 
> PXL_20240324_142326170.jpeg][image: PXL_20240324_142400760.jpeg][image: 
> PXL_20240324_142441638.jpeg][image: PXL_20240324_142451628.MP.jpeg]

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[RBW] Re: PSA from CORSA CLASSIC

[Peter Adler]

Corsa Classic, AKA CR member Andrea Bonfanti in Milano, also has fold-out 
maps of bicycle frame/component builders by country, with separate maps for 
Italy, France, UK, US/Canada and I believe a Japan map is in the works.

If my recollection is correct, this is the second run of the Campagnolo 
book. One would expect that if demand is high, there would be a third run.

Peter "bought the two non-Anglophone maps before he made others" Adler
Berkeley, California

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 7:36:13 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

I received an email from them about that there is only nine copies left. I 
thought there might be some members out there that would be interested in 
buying this or more items from their website. 

https://corsaclassic.com/en-us/products/campagnolo-collection

Kim Hetzel. 

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