[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Collin A]

David,

You are in Berkeley, you should BART over to RIv World HQ and test one out 
on the local loop up in shell ridge (its dry and perfect riding conditions 
right now!). Last I remember there is a 57 demo with billie/alba, but might 
be worth calling them first before making the appointment.

Collin, also in Berkeley, but with an 81cm PBH.

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Ryan Bolesta]

Hi David,

I am 6'1 with a 91cm PBH and ride a 60cm Sam from the most recent batch 
from 2022.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the size, but can't help but think about how 
I'd feel in the 57cm. I've never felt "uncomfortable" on the bike, it's 
definitely the comfiest bike I've ever owned, but it does feel a little bit 
too big at times.

The two handlebar configurations I've had:

*Albatross with a 100mm stem:* This felt really good with my hands on the 
grips, but I always felt way too stretched out when using the hooks on the 
front of the bar. I probably could have swapped to a shorter stem if I was 
still using this configuration.

*Nitto M137 (Drop Bar) with a 60mm stem*: This is my current setup, and 
while it isn't bad, it isn't the most ideal either. I switched to drops as 
I started doing more off-road descents in the area and wanted more hand 
positions with access to the brake levers. I find it uncomfortable when 
having my hands in the drops or hoods for any extended period of time. I'm 
typically resting my hands right before the hoods (the "ramps" or "corners" 
is maybe what this means in drop-bar speak) or on the tops next to the 
stem.  I've also done a little bit of finagling to shift the hoods closer 
to my hands at the expense of having the brake levers a bit further away 
from my hands when in the drops.

I don't think either setup was bad, just not ideal. The drop bar setup I 
currently have has been used on several loaded bikepacking trips, and 
countless 20-60 mile gravel rides in Colorado with huge elevation changes, 
and I've never once felt like I was in significant pain from the bike 
(other than my Brooks B17, which I feel hopeless in breaking it in), which 
makes me think that I can fix some of these issues with minor adjustments 
or a different drop bar. 

I can't offer any perspectives on the 57cm Sam, since I've never ridden 
one. Also, the two bars I've ran are not as swept back as other Riv 
offerings. I think there are plenty of bar/stem combos I've yet to try 
which would be perfect for my frame size. Overall I love the bike, and love 
the versatility. I originally built the bike to be my commuter and 
all-rounder, and have since transitioned it into a more-than-capable gravel 
bike (that I tend to underbike into some chunkier singletrack by accident 
at times) with a simple bar swap and adding wider knobbier tires. 

When you rode the 61.5 Homer with the Billie bars, did you try other hand 
positions than the grips?

Hope this helps!

Ryan
Boulder, CO



On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:06:45 AM UTC-6 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Bill Lindsay]

That does seem to be a great deal, although there's no such thing as a 59cm 
Ram.  It's likely a 60cm, judging from the photo.  Perfecto for a 6-footer 
or just under.  I could totally rock that, but I've got a 59cm Romulus now 
(and a 59 Roadeo).  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 5:45:57 PM UTC-7 Greg J wrote:

> Complete 59cm Rambouillet for $1000 - it seems like an amazing deal!  No 
> connection to seller.
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-59cm-rambouillet-blue/7743799428.html
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:18:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>>
>> 51 Atlantis for $2k. Well-loved by owner who passed away. Being sold by 
>> the surviving spouse. No connection to seller. 
>>
>> https://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/d/boulder-rivendell-atlantis-51cm/7742464449.html
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nicely 52cm Clem for $1800 in Los Angeles 
>>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/north-hills-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7742374638.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/196896

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Kim H.  wrote:

  

 Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - $2,150 (Sacramento) 

 https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-clem-smith/7735990306.html

 Kim Hetzel.
 On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:

> Awesome color  Saluki and a good price!  I believe this is or was 
> John's bike (rivendell employee). This would explain the very history 
> heavy 
> description.  
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:01:54 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>
>> Saluki here: 
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-62cm-rivendell-saluki/7741642940.html
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Time for a new FS thread?
>>>
>>> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall 
>>> member here might be interested: 
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>>>
>>> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it 
>>> has been repainted by D Cycles.
>>>
>>> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>>>
>>> No connection to the seller.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of nice Chrome parts for your builds/projects

[Drew Fitchette]

Tires and saddle are gone. Here’s what’s left with reduced prices:

   

   - *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $40*


   - *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - Hold*


   - *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
   mounted) - $25*


   - *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $35 OBO*


   - *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
   nearly new) - $150*


On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Updated list for your viewing pleasure:
>
>
>
>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*
>
>
>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - Hold*
>
>
>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>mounted) - $25*
>
>
>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 OBO*
>
>
>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>nearly new) - Hold*
>
>
>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*
>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>$80*
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 4:12:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Levers have sold, everything else with some updated info/pricing before 
>> shipping:
>>
>>
>>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - 
>>$OLD*
>>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*
>>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - $70*
>>
>>
>>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>>mounted) - $25*
>>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>>
>>
>>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 
>>OBO*
>>
>>
>>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>>nearly new) - $150*
>>
>>
>>- *Single Tektro R559 side pull with second pair of kool stop 
>>pads(well used, but works great) - $20*
>>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*
>>
>>
>>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>>$80*
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:50:01 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Msg'd - VO Levers
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 5:57:17 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Messaged about the cable hanger :) 
>>>
>>>

 On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 4:25:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
>
> I recently put together a new build and in going through all the stuff 
> in my bin I realized I needed to cull through some my reserves/recently 
> acquired but swapped gear. Here's what I'm looking to move on to happy 
> new 
> homes, Buyers pay shipping:
>
>
>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - 
>$45*
>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $50*
>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion - 
>$70*
>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>mounted) - $25*
>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $45 
>OBO*
>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on 
>wheels(looks nearly new) - $150*
>- *Single Tektro R559 See pull with second pair of kool stop 
>pads(well used, but works great) - $20*
>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $60*
>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) 
>- $80*
>
>
> *Photos here 
> *
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of nice Chrome parts for your builds/projects

[Drew Fitchette]

Updated list of what’s still available:

   

   - *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $40*


   - *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - Hold*


   - *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
   mounted) - $25*


   - *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 OBO*


   - *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
   nearly new) - Hold*


On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

Updated list for your viewing pleasure:

   

   - *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*


   - *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - Hold*


   - *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
   mounted) - $25*


   - *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 OBO*


   - *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
   nearly new) - Hold*


   - *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*
   - *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - $80*

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 4:12:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

Levers have sold, everything else with some updated info/pricing before 
shipping:


   - *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - $OLD*
   - *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $45*
   - *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion) - $70*


   - *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
   mounted) - $25*
   - *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*


   - *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $40 OBO*


   - *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
   nearly new) - $150*


   - *Single Tektro R559 side pull with second pair of kool stop pads(well 
   used, but works great) - $20*
   - *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $40*


   - *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - $80*

On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:50:01 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

Msg'd - VO Levers

On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 5:57:17 PM UTC-4 wrote:

Messaged about the cable hanger :) 



On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 4:25:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

Hey Everyone!

I recently put together a new build and in going through all the stuff in 
my bin I realized I needed to cull through some my reserves/recently 
acquired but swapped gear. Here's what I'm looking to move on to happy new 
homes, Buyers pay shipping:


   - *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - $45*
   - *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $50*
   - *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion - $70*
   - *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
   mounted) - $25*
   - *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
   - *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $45 OBO*
   - *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
   nearly new) - $150*
   - *Single Tektro R559 See pull with second pair of kool stop pads(well 
   used, but works great) - $20*
   - *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $60*
   - *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - $80*


*Photos here 
*


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Greg J]

Complete 59cm Rambouillet for $1000 - it seems like an amazing deal!  No 
connection to seller.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-59cm-rambouillet-blue/7743799428.html





On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:18:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

>
> 51 Atlantis for $2k. Well-loved by owner who passed away. Being sold by 
> the surviving spouse. No connection to seller. 
>
> https://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/d/boulder-rivendell-atlantis-51cm/7742464449.html
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nicely 52cm Clem for $1800 in Los Angeles 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/north-hills-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7742374638.html
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/196896
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - $2,150 (Sacramento) 
>>>
>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-clem-smith/7735990306.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 Awesome color  Saluki and a good price!  I believe this is or was 
 John's bike (rivendell employee). This would explain the very history 
 heavy 
 description.  

 On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:01:54 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:

> Saluki here: 
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-62cm-rivendell-saluki/7741642940.html
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Time for a new FS thread?
>>
>> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall 
>> member here might be interested: 
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>>
>> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
>> been repainted by D Cycles.
>>
>> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>>
>> No connection to the seller.
>>
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[David B]

Thank you for the responses, everyone. I'm leaning towards getting a size 
60 based on all of the feedback. I do envision running the Hillborne mostly 
with flat or swept bars, and so it makes sense to prioritize that with the 
sizing.

Andrew, your observation comparing the stack and reach of the two sizes is 
really helpful. I'm thinking the added reach/effective top tube length is 
small enough that I could compensate for it with a shorter stem length.

Really appreciate all of your help. Would still love to test ride a 57 or 
60 if anyone in the East Bay has one.

David
Berkeley, CA
On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:52:17 PM UTC-7 awen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Bike Insights can compare these two sizes side-by-side for you: 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=638a1581423463001c996235,638a1581423463001c996236
> ,
>
> The 60cm Sam is 30mm taller in stack than the 57, but only 5mm longer in 
> reach. If you had to raise the saddle and bars by a lot on the 57, then 
> maybe the 60 would work better for you.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrew
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB (or WTT for): 58cm Toyo Atlantis or 58cm Saluki

[Logan Eiland]

Long shot WTB post.

Anyone happen to have a 58cm Toyo Atlantis or Saluki that they are ready to
move on from?

Happy to pay for shipping if necessary.

If someone has one of these frames but wants to try something new, I have a
lightly used 58cm Sam Hillborne that I could offer + cash.

Otherwise, will pay in full for either frame.

Thanks.

Logan

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[RBW] Re: FS: "Confetti Bosco" bars (new) and Teravail Rutland 27.5 x 2.1 (new)

[Ethan K]

still available. 

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 5:47:40 PM UTC-8 Ethan K wrote:

> Hi all, selling a couple of things I don't foresee using anytime soon. 
>  These are available for local pickup from Los Angeles 90292, or shipping 
> at cost.  
> --Eitan
>
> Fist up is a Rivendell one-off I bought a few months ago: Bosco Bars with 
> unique "confetti" bar tape.  These are 58cm, and are mounted on a 10cm 
> Tallux stem.This was an impulse buy for my Cheviot, but the autumnal 
> palette of the bars doesn't really suit the bike. The bars have never been 
> mounted, and are in the same condition as I received from Rivendell. There 
> is some amber shellac staining on the bars that I have been assured will 
> come off with rubbing alcohol ( or would be covered up by grips). You can 
> see full details of the bars and their creation here:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/fwncb
>
> $175 for the bar/stem + shipping
>
> [image: IMG_3265.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_3266.jpeg]
> Next is a set of Teravail Rutland tires, in the "Light and Supple" casing, 
> 27.5 x 2.1" size. $100 for the set 
>
> [image: Terrevail tires.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm (L) Susie/Wolbis Frame, Nitto/Riv lugged stem, Boscomoose bar

[Igor]

Cuddle Bears,
I think folks here would like to know where the frame and parts are 
located, and if local pickup is an option.

On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 10:34:55 PM UTC-4 cuddleb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
> Alright unfortunately I’m selling my 56cm (L) Susie/Wolbis Frame-set.  
> Looking to upgrade from that Clem? This is the bike for you!
>
> They discontinued the Susie because it was costing Riv too much to make. 
> The newer ones will be lugged apparently and won’t be in for a while! These 
> are cooler imo but I had to choose only one bike and this didn’t make the 
> cut! Atlantis ftw.  Asking $1150 + shipping.
>
> Nitto/Riv lugged stem. 95 length.  Great shape. $140 including shipping
>
> Boscomoose bar for sale. It's the TIG version, 58mm. In excellent 
> condition. asking $165 + shipping
>
> You can send a PM
>
> Thanks!
> Cuddle Bears
>

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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 

I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I 
was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was 
also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the 
club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am 
introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks 
with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with 
HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy 
the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation 
of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by 
doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips 
across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully 
supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever 
interests you or anyone else reading this. 

My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.

To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared to 
the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road bike 
I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with 
various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   

The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the Gallop 
seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less concern 
about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more playful, 
all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I do with 
the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance could 
surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and a 
great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the privilege 
> to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a RivSister with a 
> wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It was oddly like 
> reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of incorporating a new bike 
> into your collection and using it for certain subsets of rides. If you two 
> don’t know each other I think you should get acquainted! 
>
> Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
> really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
> experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found Riv 
> at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
> and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
> phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
> group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
> people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly helps.
>
> One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo than 
> your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you think?
>
> Thanks again for this thread!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
>> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
>> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
>> Charlie? 
>>
>>
>> *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
>> In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how 
>> they perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do 
>> - whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
>> short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
>> people. Although many have overlapping capabilities, I tend to set them up 
>> for specific types of rides, rather than being all-rounders. With a new 
>> bike, I like to figure out if it fills an empty niche or if it excels 
>> relative to an existing bike in a category, which would then likely be sold 
>> or repurposed. It is a fun game. 
>>
>> When the Gallop demo was for sale, I had just discovered what an 
>> unbelievable blast the Gus is on bumpy dirt rides (so fun! so liberating!) 
>> and was curious 

Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Keith Paugh]

Beautiful. What a color!k.On May 6, 2024, at 10:59 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:Bombadil among some Laburnums on my commute home Friday On Monday 6 May 2024 at 09:20:06 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:Truly, that bike is stunning. And so clean! Almost immaculate. Great looking setup, too.JohnOn Monday, May 6, 2024 at 6:06:44 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you, John & Keith!-BrianLex KYOn Sun, May 5, 2024 at 6:35 PM John Rinker  wrote:Beautiful photograph, Brian! Great light, gorgeous setting, and stunning bike.Cheers, JohnOn Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:47:51 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:I started out aiming for a decently long ride yesterday, but found myself scoping out birding spots in the woods with my buddy (and fellow RBWOB group member Huston). No complaints here.




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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[awen...@gmail.com]

Hi David,

Bike Insights can compare these two sizes side-by-side for 
you: 
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=638a1581423463001c996235,638a1581423463001c996236,

The 60cm Sam is 30mm taller in stack than the 57, but only 5mm longer in 
reach. If you had to raise the saddle and bars by a lot on the 57, then 
maybe the 60 would work better for you.

Hope this helps,
Andrew

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Spring Cleaning! Parts, caps, etc.

[Bryan Dalik]

Caps are *SOLD.*

T shirt pending.

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:38:09 PM UTC-4 Bryan Dalik wrote:

> Doing some spring cleaning and listing the following up for sale:
>
> Ron's Bikes Tulips cycling cap *20$ shipped* - this was a one off for the 
> 2021 Nutmeg Nor'easter. 
>
> Ultradynamico grey cycling cap - *20$ shipped *
>
> **buy both caps for 35$ shipped*
>
> IRD QB-55 Square taper BB - 68x118mm - *30$ shipped *- this is brand new, 
> just needed a 122 for the build I was working on. My loss, your gain.
>
> Rivendell Peace Wheel t-shirt, blue, medium - *15$ shipped *- Good 
> condition, no flaws or stains.
>
> Suntour Superbe 28.6 Front deraileur, clamp on - *20$ shipped *- great 
> looking FD, in good condition, works great.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Link to photos - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12hLk-ryIn8ifE0XpKAwDkyLBu4tzCF8X?usp=drive_link
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Brevet Report: The Antelope Island 300k

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Congrats for persevering through the crazy climbs, crazy roads and crazy
winds.

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the privilege 
to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a RivSister with a 
wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It was oddly like 
reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of incorporating a new bike 
into your collection and using it for certain subsets of rides. If you two 
don’t know each other I think you should get acquainted! 

Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found Riv 
at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly helps.

One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo than 
your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you think?

Thanks again for this thread!
Leah

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
> Charlie? 
>
>
> *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
> In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how they 
> perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do - 
> whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
> short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
> people. Although many have overlapping capabilities, I tend to set them up 
> for specific types of rides, rather than being all-rounders. With a new 
> bike, I like to figure out if it fills an empty niche or if it excels 
> relative to an existing bike in a category, which would then likely be sold 
> or repurposed. It is a fun game. 
>
> When the Gallop demo was for sale, I had just discovered what an 
> unbelievable blast the Gus is on bumpy dirt rides (so fun! so liberating!) 
> and was curious about the effect of the swoopy top tube and longer 
> wheel-base on a road-oriented bike. Also, it is purple. 
>
> *Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? *
> The bike came with albastache bars which I always try to like, but I never 
> do. Hard to explain, but the bars felt too skinny to my hands for such a 
> rounded, plush bike. I think drop bars would work well with the right stem 
> height and reach. I have 4 drop-bar bikes so I didn't want to move it in 
> that direction. I had on-hand a bosco-moose bar so I swapped over to that 
> one. I love it. I have such a great view while riding and supreme comfort 
> climbing and descending.   
>
> *Do you find it to be quick and lively?*
> It is lively! I don't know about quick. I haven't ridden it with 
> garmin/strava going so I can't compare my speeds to other bikes. It is very 
> fun to ride. It is the kind of bike that inspires me to pedal a bit faster 
> because I feel the energy go right into your motion. It puts a big smile on 
> my face. I have it set up with a triple so I have a huge range of gears, 
> which helps in my very hilly neighborhood. It likes to climb. I don't know 
> if I am going fast (likely not) but it is not hard. It is far more 
> responsive and nimble than my Clem H, which I sold. That was a tank. This 
> is like a rowing scull, easy to bring up to speed and to plane in rhythm 
> with the bike. It sails down hills. It feels like it disappears under me. 
> It is weird because it is not the lightest bike I have. 
>
> I think having wide tires helps because they mitigate all the road 
> texture. I switched from the Soma Shikoro tires that came with it to 
> Schwalbe G-One Speed TLE in size 50.  The Soma's were fine but the 
> Schwalbe's feel more plush.  Like I'm riding a Rolls Royce. Well, what I 
> imagine a Rolls would be like. 
>
>
> *Have you ridden it on a club ride? *
> I no longer do club rides. I don't know if this is the bike I would choose 
> for riding with my go-fast friends and family. I am more of an all-day pace 
> rider so when I am riding with faster people and trying not to hold them 
> up, I tend to choose my Roadeo. It fits in better with the roadie riders in 
> my area. The Roadeo is also the bike I choose when challenging myself on 
> steep, paved climbing, like Vail pass, because it is lighter. I think it 
> would be really fun to take the Gallop up Vail pass if I were going by 
> myself but I don't know that I'd be 

[RBW] Re: One way to try out a road bike for the Road Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I like that Premis a lot.  Good find!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 11:32:53 AM UTC-7 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
> These road bike deals do pop up in my area ever so often as well if I 
> regularly look.
>
> There were two I couldn't resist , one yesterday and one again today so I 
> picked them both up. 
> Both popped up on FB marketplace.
>
> First one is probably late 80's (haven't really checked it thoroughly yet) 
> 62cm Peugeot road bike that I picked up yesterday for $70. 
> Sticker shows Reynolds 501 tubing. It has Sachs Huret Rival derailers.
>
> The 2nd one I picked up this morning for $75, a 23" 1988 Schwinn Premis, 
> the year they had a bright 3 or 4 color paint scheme and white highlighted 
> parts. I think it looks pretty cool.
>
> It has a Columbus Tenax tubing sticker and Suntour Cyclone 7000 derailers 
> with white highlights.
>
> It reminds me of my first decent road bike, a 1985 Schwinn Tempo back in 
> 1986.
>
> Both are rideable with seat adjustments, flat repair, and chain fix.
>
> I can ride 23", 24" or even a 25" frame but don't like the 25" for stop 
> and go riding.
>
> I can ride my Sam all day comfortably but these bikes with short stem and 
> difficult to reach brake positions just take the comfort out of riding for 
> me.
>
> Back when I was younger I rode bikes that way with low and narrow 
> handlebars but now I set my bikes up for comfort be it a new or vintage 
> bike.
>
> I guess that's part of my 'geezerhood' preferences.
>
> Good luck on your searches.
> I need to stop looking as my garage is too full already.
>
> Now to sort out what I'm going to do with these two bargains
>
> Paul in Dallas, TX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
Charlie? 


*What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how they 
perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do - 
whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
people. Although many have overlapping capabilities, I tend to set them up 
for specific types of rides, rather than being all-rounders. With a new 
bike, I like to figure out if it fills an empty niche or if it excels 
relative to an existing bike in a category, which would then likely be sold 
or repurposed. It is a fun game. 

When the Gallop demo was for sale, I had just discovered what an 
unbelievable blast the Gus is on bumpy dirt rides (so fun! so liberating!) 
and was curious about the effect of the swoopy top tube and longer 
wheel-base on a road-oriented bike. Also, it is purple. 

*Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? *
The bike came with albastache bars which I always try to like, but I never 
do. Hard to explain, but the bars felt too skinny to my hands for such a 
rounded, plush bike. I think drop bars would work well with the right stem 
height and reach. I have 4 drop-bar bikes so I didn't want to move it in 
that direction. I had on-hand a bosco-moose bar so I swapped over to that 
one. I love it. I have such a great view while riding and supreme comfort 
climbing and descending.   

*Do you find it to be quick and lively?*
It is lively! I don't know about quick. I haven't ridden it with 
garmin/strava going so I can't compare my speeds to other bikes. It is very 
fun to ride. It is the kind of bike that inspires me to pedal a bit faster 
because I feel the energy go right into your motion. It puts a big smile on 
my face. I have it set up with a triple so I have a huge range of gears, 
which helps in my very hilly neighborhood. It likes to climb. I don't know 
if I am going fast (likely not) but it is not hard. It is far more 
responsive and nimble than my Clem H, which I sold. That was a tank. This 
is like a rowing scull, easy to bring up to speed and to plane in rhythm 
with the bike. It sails down hills. It feels like it disappears under me. 
It is weird because it is not the lightest bike I have. 

I think having wide tires helps because they mitigate all the road texture. 
I switched from the Soma Shikoro tires that came with it to Schwalbe G-One 
Speed TLE in size 50.  The Soma's were fine but the Schwalbe's feel more 
plush.  Like I'm riding a Rolls Royce. Well, what I imagine a Rolls would 
be like. 


*Have you ridden it on a club ride? *
I no longer do club rides. I don't know if this is the bike I would choose 
for riding with my go-fast friends and family. I am more of an all-day pace 
rider so when I am riding with faster people and trying not to hold them 
up, I tend to choose my Roadeo. It fits in better with the roadie riders in 
my area. The Roadeo is also the bike I choose when challenging myself on 
steep, paved climbing, like Vail pass, because it is lighter. I think it 
would be really fun to take the Gallop up Vail pass if I were going by 
myself but I don't know that I'd be keeping up with anyone. I have to ride 
the Gallop more to assess my speed on it.  I get the impression that the 
Roadini is more comparable to the Roadeo than my Gallop would be. It also 
sounds like the production Gallop may have slightly different ride 
characteristics from the version I have. And while I love my Roadeo 
for what it enables me to do, I think I smile more on the Gallop. 

Hope that helps! Happy to answer any other questions. 

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[RBW] FS: Get a grip! quality flat bar grips collection

[eddietheflay]

Went back to drops on three bikes.

What you see is what you get.

Three sets of Wolftooh Mega Fat Paws. Two sets in used but unscathed 
condition, one set has chunks cut out.

One set of generic bolt-on silicone grips. Used but unscathed.

One set of new in package grey Chunky ESI grips.

$50 net to me gets them shipped to you.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Valerie Yates]

Jason - - Hi! I am glad you agree. I was really surprised what an 
improvment it was to remove that rack from it. I thought your review was 
excellent overall. Very detailed and informative. I also agree re Hilborne. 
That is better choice for carrying a load without impacting its 
performance. I have not ridden a Homer.  

Leah -- I will answer your questions in a separate thread. :)   

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:55:16 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally see 
> what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite right 
> for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike for 
> what I was trying to do. 
>
> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>
> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
>> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
>> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
>> Charlie? 
>>
>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with 
>> swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>> that's why this reviewer 
>> 
>>  
>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>> on it. 
>>
>>
>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
>>> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
>>> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
 one once they become available. 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>
> I concede that this would be better!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, 
>>>
>>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
>>> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
>>> birthday) 
>>> is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
>>> longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
>>> one 
>>> friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
 upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may 
 replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. 
 I 
 appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also 
 really 
 like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 

 Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do 
 think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting 
 for 
 the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.

 Doug

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[RBW] Re: Another Brevet Report: The Antelope Island 300k

[Cyclofiend Jim]

What a brilliant adventure. Thank you for sharing the details and the 
images. 

Jim

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 8:17:58 PM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> A few weeks ago I wrote about my first brevet of the season, in which good 
> training and great conditions produced a 200k for the ages, at least for 
> me. 
>
> Yesterday's ride was a challenge of a different sort. 
>
> The real Antelope Island 300k sets off this coming Saturday. I decided to 
> pre-ride the course because I'll be in Washington DC with 80 8th graders 
> this coming weekend, an endurance test, to be sure, but of a somewhat 
> different kind. 
>
> We've had beautiful weather this week in the Salt Lake Valley, but it's 
> been, quite literally, the calm before the storm. As I did some final 
> planning on Friday, I started noticing winter weather advisories for the 
> Wasatch mountains Sunday into Monday. At first I didn't make much of it, 
> since I was planning on riding on Saturday, and since winter weather can 
> happen all the way through May in this part of the country. But then I 
> remembered what always happens when big storms roll through the valley--big 
> winds come along with them. 
>
> I noticed almost as soon as I started up Emigration Canyon alongside our 
> RBA, who graciously volunteered to accompany me for the first twenty miles 
> or so of the ride--a gusty, noticeable breeze from the east, the opposite 
> direction that winds usually blow in these parts. It calmed a bit as we got 
> to the middle of the canyon--a 7 mile climb or so--and then disappeared as 
> we made our way up towards Big Mountain Pass, a 7400 foot summit that marks 
> the end of the first big ascent on the route. 
>
> Ken, our RBA, had wondered aloud about continuing on, but decided against 
> it due to family obligations. He did not miss the fast descent that usually 
> greets riders on the east side of Big Mountain Pass, because, as we had 
> suspected, it had not yet been cleared by the UDOT, probably because, like 
> us, they could read the forecast, and saw that a foot or two of snow was 
> due to fall over the mountains in the coming days. It was not completely 
> covered in snow, but there were five or six significant snowdrifts impeding 
> progress down the mountain. A ten minute descent turned into thirty minutes 
> of intermittent riding and hiking. 
>
> It didn't seem to be a particularly big deal at that point, and the next 
> 35 miles or so were nothing short of serene. From the base of Big Mountain 
> one continues past East Canyon reservoir and along the vast expanse of the 
> Morgan Valley, a 30 mile downhill section, at which point the 20 mile, 3400 
> foot ascent that greets riders at the start of this route seems to be 
> redeemed. I blew through this section, finding myself in Mountain Green 
> well before lunch, and then up and over Trapper's Loop Road, the second big 
> climb of the route, in fairly swift time. 
>
> After meandering through the upper Ogden Valley, I came across, around 
> mile 80, what I hoped was the last big test of this ride--the North Ogden 
> Divide. You can see it clearly as you approach the backside of the Wasatch 
> Mountains, a tiny line etched precariously in the mountainside, only 2 
> miles long from where the climb really starts to the top of the mountain, 
> but a 2 miles that proceeds upwards at a steady 10%. It's also narrow, and 
> presaged by a sign saying something to the effect of "Steep grades and 
> sharp curves. Not Recommended for Cyclists." (As if in penance, there is a 
> "Share the Road" sign immediately after, but based on the angry shouts of 
> one pickup driver heading down the mountain opposite, not one motorists pay 
> much attention to.) 
>
> I shifted immediately into my 30-32 low gear and started upwards, one eye 
> on the road ahead, another in my mirror, making sure that the occasional 
> vehicle coming up behind me looked like it was going to give me adequate 
> space. It's fair to say that this was the hardest climb I've ever 
> completed, at least when accounting for the fact that I'd already done 80 
> miles and 6000 feet of elevation at this point in the ride. It was 
> borderline nauseating making my way up the mountainside, the stress of the 
> ascent only partially atoned for by the stunning views of the valley off to 
> the south. When there was space I occasionally started zig-zagging up the 
> mountain, trying to relieve some of the strain on my legs and lungs, then 
> getting over when traffic appeared in my mirror behind me. At long last, I 
> made it to the top. 
>
> The descent was exhilarating. The speed limit is 30 mph, but I had to lean 
> on my brakes to stay at 35mph, and the cars lined up behind me seem to have 
> no problem waiting to pass until we got to the bottom. In my head, the 
> worst of it was over. I'd done almost 7000 feet of climbing in 80 miles. 
> After 8 hours in the mountains, I was back in the Salt Lake Valley, with a 
> flat 100 miles or 

[RBW] Re: FS: Swrve and Twin Six Shorts and Knickers

[Dave Grossman]

SOLD

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 9:25:00 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Moving along some great shorts and one pair of knickers for warm weather 
> riding. Measurements are included in the photos
>
> 1.  Twin Six Two Quarter Short Size 32 (fits like a 34).  $30 shipped
> 2.  Swrve Transverse Regular Shorts Size 34, Black.  $30 shipped
> 3.  Swrve Knickers Size 34, Blue.  Have some wear in the seat in terms of 
> color fading but otherwise great shape.  $40 shipped
>
> Or take them all for $85 shipped
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/g48EFrggRono1x9n7 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Bokman]

Truly, that bike is stunning. And so clean! Almost immaculate. Great 
looking setup, too.

John


On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 6:06:44 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, John & Keith!
>
> -Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 6:35 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Beautiful photograph, Brian! Great light, gorgeous setting, and stunning 
>> bike.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:47:51 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> I started out aiming for a decently long ride yesterday, but found 
>>> myself scoping out birding spots in the woods with my buddy (and fellow 
>>> RBWOB group member Huston). No complaints here. 
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Swrve and Twin Six Shorts and Knickers

[Dave Grossman]

Moving along some great shorts and one pair of knickers for warm weather 
riding. Measurements are included in the photos

1.  Twin Six Two Quarter Short Size 32 (fits like a 34).  $30 shipped
2.  Swrve Transverse Regular Shorts Size 34, Black.  $30 shipped
3.  Swrve Knickers Size 34, Blue.  Have some wear in the seat in terms of 
color fading but otherwise great shape.  $40 shipped

Or take them all for $85 shipped

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[RBW] Re: FS: Chris King, Nitto, White Industries, Outer Shell

[Michael Ullmer]

Last bump before these go to Ebay:

2) White Industries ENO 180mm Square Taper Crankset with 32mm Chainring - 
$135

4) Nitto Lugged Seatpost 27.2 - $105

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 9:52:13 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Bump and price drop:
>
> 2) White Industries ENO 180mm Square Taper Crankset with 32mm Chainring - 
> $140
>
> 4) Nitto Lugged Seatpost 27.2 - $110
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 9:57:28 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I've been looking at a Stronglight Delta and not having seen one on 
>> a bike or in person I'm a little worried it may be the worst looking 
>> headset around
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:11:05 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up going with an older Stronglight, this one:
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/256364460561
>>>
>>> It brought down the shimmy's significantly and didn't affect the 
>>> handling too much either. Not as pretty though
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 3:55:48 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>>>
 What headset did you end up replacing the King with? I'm guessing from 
 the parts you're selling that you gravitate towards let's just say nice 
 and 
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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Max S]

Canti Homer... Now that's a nice find! 

- Max 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:43:12 PM UTC-4 matt miller wrote:

> I was lucky enough to find a nicely appointed canti AHH. It came with 
> upright bars, which I did enjoy, but taking it out on "longer" rides, I 
> found I was often reaching out to the curves. It also just rides so much 
> nicer than my other bike, that I wanted to try drops. So I've been 
> following the other thread with interest, even though I started looking for 
> parts for this project a few months ago. Because I'd like the option to put 
> the old bar setup back, I figured it would be simplest to get new cables 
> and everything and leave it attached. Plus, if I like this, there's always 
> another bike to put that other setup on!
>
> I just finished last night and only rode it today for a few miles. I also 
> don't love my bar tape, but it will serve its purpose while I try this out. 
> Bag could use a stiffener, too.
>
> Matt in STL
>
> [image: sm_IMG_5194.jpg]
> [image: sm_IMG_5561.jpg]
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:17:36 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> [image: 9E46EC20-2450-4944-8368-4BEA1F432453_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> Here is my 58 Homer as it was finished this spring. I built this exactly 
>> how I feel a bike should be with aesthetics as the priority. To my eye this 
>> bike is perfect! 
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 10:36:15 PM UTC-4 jtlu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I always enjoy seeing pictures of everyone's various Rivendell's, so I 
>>> figured why not start a photo thread of Homers (since that is my only Riv). 
>>> I've included a photo from my first ride on my Homer back in 2022 (with 
>>> Albatross bars) and a photo in its most recent configuration with drop 
>>> bars. 
>>>
>>> [image: Homer 1.jpg][image: Homer 2.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Bones]

I’m 6’1 with a 91 PBH. My 60 Appaloosa fits perfectly with swept back bars. 
I had a 61.5 Homer (newer one, for which the top tube is really long) and 
it was way too much reach for drops for me (long legs, short torso, not 
particularly flexible). I replaced the 61.5 Homer with a 58 and the fit is 
perfect with 48cm noodles and a 7cm Tallux. I also have a 61 Roadini which 
fits well, but there is almost too much stack, as there is not much stem 
showing. I guess to summarize, it’s not always easy to find a bike in 
Rivs’s lineup that can accommodate both swept back bars and drops 
interchangeably. If you’re cool with drops on a stubby stem and less 
standover, size up. If you’re cool with swept backs on a long stem and more 
seatpost showing, size down. 

Bones

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 8:36:03 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I find Rivendells sizing based on PBH to oversimplify getting a good bike 
> fit. They are very smart but they also have their preferences and I think 
> most of the time their suggestions lean on that preference more than it 
> should. The smaller size will be way easier to fit with drops if you really 
> think that will be something you want to do. I agree that you "could" make 
> a larger one work too but IMO its easier to get a sweptback setup to work 
> on a smaller frame than it is to get a dropdown setup to work on a frame 
> thats a touch big. If it were me and I rode a 57 and was comfortable on it 
> with sweptback bars then I would go for that one. BUT the best situation is 
> to find a 60 and give it a ride.
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 7:56:00 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
>> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
>> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
>> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
>> short stem. 
>>
>> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
>> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
>> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
>> for my situation. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>>
>>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>>
>>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes 
>>> and get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on 
>>> the Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They 
>>> didn't have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple 
>>> of 61.5 Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>>
>>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho 
>>>bars) and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty 
>>> high 
>>>to get the saddle in a good position.
>>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - 
>>> there 
>>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>>> bike 
>>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with 
>>> a 
>>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>>
>>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>>
>>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>>
>>> David
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Brian Turner]

Thank you, John & Keith!

-Brian
Lex KY

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 6:35 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Beautiful photograph, Brian! Great light, gorgeous setting, and stunning
> bike.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:47:51 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> I started out aiming for a decently long ride yesterday, but found myself
>> scoping out birding spots in the woods with my buddy (and fellow RBWOB
>> group member Huston). No complaints here.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Johnny Alien]

I find Rivendells sizing based on PBH to oversimplify getting a good bike 
fit. They are very smart but they also have their preferences and I think 
most of the time their suggestions lean on that preference more than it 
should. The smaller size will be way easier to fit with drops if you really 
think that will be something you want to do. I agree that you "could" make 
a larger one work too but IMO its easier to get a sweptback setup to work 
on a smaller frame than it is to get a dropdown setup to work on a frame 
thats a touch big. If it were me and I rode a 57 and was comfortable on it 
with sweptback bars then I would go for that one. BUT the best situation is 
to find a 60 and give it a ride.

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 7:56:00 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
> short stem. 
>
> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
> for my situation. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Stephen]

For your reference I’m about 6’1 with a 92 pbh and i ride a 60 appaloosa 
w/swept backs, and would not want to go smaller. However i have no interest 
in putting drops on that bike, I’m guessing sam might have a slightly 
shorter top tube than Joe. hesitant to tell you what you should do, 
hopefully someone has something you can test ride. 

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 4:56:00 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
> short stem. 
>
> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
> for my situation. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Ryan]

CAD because my settings were in CAD...still $2800 in USDsorry

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 7:12:08 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> maybe they're offering a lugged Roadini to reduce the demand for lugged 
> MN-built Roadeos with their long wait times? And offer another alternative 
> to said long(2 years) wait times. Which are now quoted at $3886 CAD; all 
> models are quoted in CAD interestingly enough
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:46:30 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
>> Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
>> long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
>> comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
>> years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
>> crossed.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
>> Roadeos??  /wishful thinking
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The 
>>> tig welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not 
>>> what I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I 
>>> feel that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
>>> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
>>> Homer (lugged :).
>>>
>>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
 see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
 right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
 for what I was trying to do. 

 I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
 visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
 nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
 Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
 already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 

 On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
> bought 
> your Charlie? 
>
> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
> Leah
>
> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
> with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky 
> and 
> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack 
> on 
> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
> that's why this reviewer 
> 
>  
> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
> on it. 
>
>
> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my 
> tail light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for 
> unloaded 
> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case 
>> of 
>> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
>> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will 
>>> order one once they become available. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
 July or something. Like, during riding season!"

 I concede that this would be better!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
> July or something. Like, during riding season!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard 

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Ryan]

maybe they're offering a lugged Roadini to reduce the demand for lugged 
MN-built Roadeos with their long wait times? And offer another alternative 
to said long(2 years) wait times. Which are now quoted at $3886 CAD; all 
models are quoted in CAD interestingly enough

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:46:30 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
> Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
> long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
> comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
> years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
> crossed.
>
> Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
> Roadeos??  /wishful thinking
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>
>> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The 
>> tig welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not 
>> what I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I 
>> feel that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
>> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
>> Homer (lugged :).
>>
>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>>
>>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
 bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
 ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
 bought 
 your Charlie? 

 I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
 Leah

 On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:

 I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
 with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
 nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
 it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
 that's why this reviewer 
 
  
 complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
 on it. 


 When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
 light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
 riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
 riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
 its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
 without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case 
> of 
> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will 
>> order one once they become available. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
>>> July or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>>
>>> I concede that this would be better!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
 July or something. Like, during riding season!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
> birthday) 
> is the CHG will 

Re: [RBW] FD shifters and why not friction

[Garth]

The quest for the "perfect shift", is in itself the very error it claims to 
be "correcting". It denies the perfect shift(action) as existent, rather 
claiming that it "depends" on certain "conditions" in order to 
exist/happen. In other words it claims "one needs what I'm selling you" in 
order to exist/happen, and there's no other way.  

So is it any wonder all manners of shifting aids and devices keep changing 
and getting more complex ? It's to keep the buyer like a donkey chasing the 
dangling carrot on a stick in front of them. "I'm getting there  I'm 
getting there  some day I'll get that darn carrot and be rewarded" !  
Empty promises, hah !  
On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:40:34 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I forgot to add that the one summer I worked in a bike shop, a great deal 
> of my work was tuneups for low-end '90s mtbs that had been sitting in 
> garages or sheds for years. Many came with Grip Shift. I don't recall ever 
> one of these systems being unrepairable, tho' I did occasionally find 
> unrepairable Shimano trigger shifters. Cheap plastic, not the most precise 
> shifters, but apparently pretty indestructible. Still, I too prefer 
> friction.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Tim Bantham]

My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride with 
swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. Based 
on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If someday 
you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a short 
stem. 

My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I sized 
down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar road 
bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach for 
my situation. 



On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] FD shifters and why not friction

[Garth]

The problem with trying trying to eliminate "error" in shifting is that it 
is in itself the very error it claims to be set right. The error is that 
there is an error exists in the first place. You can't eliminate what 
doesn't exist. 

Oh I can see th

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:40:34 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I forgot to add that the one summer I worked in a bike shop, a great deal 
> of my work was tuneups for low-end '90s mtbs that had been sitting in 
> garages or sheds for years. Many came with Grip Shift. I don't recall ever 
> one of these systems being unrepairable, tho' I did occasionally find 
> unrepairable Shimano trigger shifters. Cheap plastic, not the most precise 
> shifters, but apparently pretty indestructible. Still, I too prefer 
> friction.
>

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[RBW] New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[David B]

Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
below my saddle.

I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.

I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
Homers with different cockpit setups. 

   - The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
   and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
   get the saddle in a good position.
   - The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
   comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
   was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
   - The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched out. 
   The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the bike 
   belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
   adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
   lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.

I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second guessing 
whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top tube 
length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, which 
is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 

Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
some other beverage as a thank you!

David
Berkeley, CA

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