Re: [RBW] Re: [SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell Atlantis

[Adrianna T]

Someone messaged me today on Reddit and through Craigslist to say they saw my bike hanging off a small tent with other things at the non-paid area of Laney flea market. He said they were asking $600 for it. I went there shortly after and I could not find it though it is entirely possible this person asking about it might have spooked them, and it was stored or covered after. Also yesterday someone spotted my Soma Groove at 12th St Oakland BART station. I’m less concerned about that bike, though I will probably return to the flea market with some frequency to see if it’s there. I think it’ll be hard to fence / get rid of. Sent from a tiny deviceOn Jun 25, 2023, at 11:56 AM, Adrianna T  wrote:No, it was literally an Atlantis.Will keep an eye out. It is on bike index, one of the few rivendells that are posted there. -AdriannaOn Jun 25, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Sarah Carlson  wrote:Any news if this was your bike?On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:34:15 PM UTC-7 Adrianna T wrote:I am hoping this is my bike. Waiting to hear back!On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:28:56 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:Ha... you beat me to it. Thanks Eric.On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:22:46 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:Forwarding from another email list … 
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Begin forwarded message:From: Eric Larsen <ciren...@gmail.com>Subject: [SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell AtlantisDate: June 22, 2023 at 7:36:25 AM PDTTo: San Francisco Randonneurs <sfra...@googlegroups.com>Reply-To: ciren...@gmail.comIf you know anyone who had a Rivendell Atlantis stolen from them, please have them contact me off list to identify.Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: [SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell Atlantis

[Adrianna T]

No, it was literally an Atlantis.Will keep an eye out. It is on bike index, one of the few rivendells that are posted there. -AdriannaOn Jun 25, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Sarah Carlson  wrote:Any news if this was your bike?On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:34:15 PM UTC-7 Adrianna T wrote:I am hoping this is my bike. Waiting to hear back!On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:28:56 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:Ha... you beat me to it. Thanks Eric.On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:22:46 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:Forwarding from another email list … 
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Begin forwarded message:From: Eric Larsen <ciren...@gmail.com>Subject: [SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell AtlantisDate: June 22, 2023 at 7:36:25 AM PDTTo: San Francisco Randonneurs <sfra...@googlegroups.com>Reply-To: ciren...@gmail.comIf you know anyone who had a Rivendell Atlantis stolen from them, please have them contact me off list to identify.Eric

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[RBW] Re: [SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell Atlantis

[Adrianna T]

I am hoping this is my bike. Waiting to hear back!

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:28:56 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Ha... you beat me to it. 
> Thanks Eric.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:22:46 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
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>> Forwarding from another email list … 
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> *From: *Eric Larsen 
>> *Subject: **[SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell Atlantis*
>> *Date: *June 22, 2023 at 7:36:25 AM PDT
>> *To: *San Francisco Randonneurs 
>> *Reply-To: *ciren...@gmail.com
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>> If you know anyone who had a Rivendell Atlantis stolen from them, please 
>> have them contact me off list to identify.
>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Stolen custom 1995 Rivendell Road Standard (San Francisco)

[Adrianna T]

Thank you, I've contacted Eric!!

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:19:57 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> I’m so sorry, Adrianna. 
>
> This was posted today. I know yours wasn’t an Atlantis, but someone might 
> have seen it and thought “Rivendell + blue = Atlantis” 
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Larsen 
> *Date:* June 22, 2023 at 7:36:42 AM PDT
> *To:* San Francisco Randonneurs 
> *Subject:* *[SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell Atlantis*
> *Reply-To:* cirenes...@gmail.com
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> If you know anyone who had a Rivendell Atlantis stolen from them, please 
> have them contact me off list to identify.
> Eric
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> On Jun 21, 2023, at 11:02 PM, Adrianna T  wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> With a sad face I’m writing to say all the bikes in my building got stolen 
> today, including my beloved Riv. 
>
> Some of you helped me plan and figure out how to build it up some time 
> ago. 
>
> This is what it ended up looking like: 
>
> If you come across any of it (including just the frame) I’d be very glad 
> to hear from you. 
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[RBW] Re: Photos and details of my 1995 Riv Road Standard build

[Adrianna T]

Now for the million dollar question.. what handlebars and saddlebags would 
you all recommend? I know there are other conversations about Carradice 
bags, but I don’t know anything about bags that would fit this type of bike 
or era.

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 6:03:53 PM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:

> Very nice build.  As a fellow '95 Road rider, I share your enthusiasm for 
> this bike's riding characteristics.  26" was used by RBW a couple of times 
> to get better geometry in smaller size frames. It works. Hope you enjoy 
> many miles on yours!
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Back in January I came across a custom Riv Road Standard that I didn't 
>> know anything about, other than that it was being sold by Joe Breeze (to 
>> raise funds for his bicycling museum).
>>
>> A bunch of you here helped to spec it out and that helped me feel 
>> confident enough to buy it.
>>
>> After several months, I finally have a bike!
>>
>> (The delay was largely around waiting for parts to show up, with this 
>> supply chain and all).
>>
>> Here's what I ended up with. Photos attached.
>>
>> - Nitto Randonneur 25.4 400mm
>> - Gran Compe 202 Non Aero Brake Levers, Drilled
>> - Nitto Fillet FacePlater Quill stem
>> - Dia-Compe ENE Down Tube Shifters
>> - Rene Herse Double Crank 46-30 - 171mm
>> - MKS Monarch pedals
>> - Velo Orange 32 hole silver front and rear hubs
>> Velocity A32 32 hole polished rims 
>> - Shimano 105
>> - Microshift 11-36
>> - 26″ x 1.25″ Elk Pass Tires
>> - Dura Ace 
>>
>> Thanks to Scenic Routes (community bike center in San Francisco), and 
>> this community here, for the input and advice. It rides like a dream and I 
>> am really, really happy with it.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Photos and details of my 1995 Riv Road Standard build

[Adrianna T]

Wow your bike is gorgeous!!

The Elk Pass tires are really nice.

My primary concern about getting thinner wheels was that I live in San 
Francisco, where I've fallen way too many times into street car tracks 
especially when it's raining, so these feel like a good size. 

This is the lightest and nicest bike I've ever had. The classic look and 
feel suits me and the riding feels more 'my style'. I am excited to spend 
more time on it!

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, and if you get flats on those Elk Passes, do consider using sealant 
> before switching to a heavier, more sluggish tire. I ride amongst goatheads 
> and with 1 to 1.5 fl oz of Orange Seal in my tubes (I use extra light -- 70 
> gram -- 650C X 21 or 26" X 1" -- the very lightest and skinniest) and I 
> rarely get a flat. 
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 2:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Adrianna: Kudos on the nice result and for resurrecting a classic 
>> Rivendell road bike in an unusual size. When I first looked at the profile 
>> photo, before I read the build specs, I thought, "Those tires are too plump 
>> for a 700C Road Standard, and the build must be a 650B conversion." But you 
>> are using the Elk Passes; wonderful! I've been riding these since about 
>> 2015 -- they came onto the market in Fall 2015, IIRC; and they are, along 
>> with the totally different but also exquisitely riding 700C X 60 ultralight 
>> model Schwalbe Big Ones that I have on another bike, absolutely the nicest 
>> tires I've ridden.
>>
>> Jan Heine said that he had me in mind when he developed these, since for 
>> years I've been riding road bikes with 26" wheels (even tho' my "best" size 
>> road frame is 60 c-c).
>>
>> Mine measure 27-28 mm on admittedly very narrow 19 mm outside/13 mm 
>> inside rims, but pumped to 50-55 (I'm 170-175 just me) they are both plush 
>> and my gawd, are they fast!!! I just got back from a very nice spring ride 
>> on my 1999 custom Riv Road gofast with these tires, on a route I ride very 
>> often on several different bikes, and the gofast with the Elk Passes is 
>> just easier to pedal, on the flats, against the wind, up the hills.
>>
>> Gratuitous photo (yes, once again) of that 1999 gofast with the Elk Pass 
>> tires.
>>
>> I hope you enjoy the Rivendell and the Elk Pass tires.
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:52 PM Adrianna T  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Back in January I came across a custom Riv Road Standard that I didn't 
>>> know anything about, other than that it was being sold by Joe Breeze (to 
>>> raise funds for his bicycling museum).
>>>
>>> A bunch of you here helped to spec it out and that helped me feel 
>>> confident enough to buy it.
>>>
>>> After several months, I finally have a bike!
>>>
>>> (The delay was largely around waiting for parts to show up, with this 
>>> supply chain and all).
>>>
>>> Here's what I ended up with. Photos attached.
>>>
>>> - Nitto Randonneur 25.4 400mm
>>> - Gran Compe 202 Non Aero Brake Levers, Drilled
>>> - Nitto Fillet FacePlater Quill stem
>>> - Dia-Compe ENE Down Tube Shifters
>>> - Rene Herse Double Crank 46-30 - 171mm
>>> - MKS Monarch pedals
>>> - Velo Orange 32 hole silver front and rear hubs
>>> Velocity A32 32 hole polished rims 
>>> - Shimano 105
>>> - Microshift 11-36
>>> - 26″ x 1.25″ Elk Pass Tires
>>> - Dura Ace 
>>>
>>> Thanks to Scenic Routes (community bike center in San Francisco), and 
>>> this community here, for the input and advice. It rides like a dream and I 
>>> am really, really happy with it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Adrianna T]

; 
> STL 51.9cm,  TTL 52cm,  STA 72.5°,  HTA 71°,  BBD 5.5cm,  Rake 4.25cm
> 
>  
> 
> Here are the results
> 
> Saddle to center of stem clamp,   59.0 cm
> 
> Trail,  6.4cm & Flop =2.0cm,  both match the geo table
> 
> Front Center,  56.3 cmYou will have 1.3cm of Toe Clip Overlap,  most 
> early Rivendells do
> 
>  
> 
> The minimum Saddle to stem distance would be 57.0 by using a 5cm stem 
> (shortest available).
> 
>  
> 
> Based on this, this frame should fit you but you would need to determine your 
> PBH, Saddle Height and what Saddle to stem clamp distance you need for a good 
> back angle
> 
>  
> 
> John Hawrylak
> 
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:54:07 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:
>> Joe was nice enough to help me mock-up the frame. Some notes:
>> 
>> (I don’t have a bike right now so I don’t actually have the measurements, 
>> but will probably ask a friend to help later)
>> 
>> “ Here's a photo of the Rivendell mock-up, without bars anyway.
>> I'm including my quick sketch of the frame layout.
>> As set up, here are some measurements to ponder:
>> 
>> From pedal center to top of saddle, inline with seat tube (with crank in 
>> line with seat tube, not as shown): 34"
>> If that Campagnolo seat post was lowered to the transition point from 
>> elliptical to round (1.5" lower), then the 34" measure would become 32.5"
>> --Question 1: What is your usual distance from pedal center to top of saddle?
>> 
>> As shown, the saddle top is 37" off the floor. The stem (at three fingers 
>> high) is 33.5" off the floor. With the saddle at 32.5" this differential 
>> would be about 35.5"/33.5. Depending on stem extension angle and handlebar 
>> shape there can be a wide range of adjustment of where your hands will rest.
>> --Question 2: What is your usual top of saddle (at seat tube centerline) and 
>> handlebar heights?
>> 
>> As shown, from the center of the top of the saddle (where the seat tube 
>> center line intersects it) to the center of the handlebar hole is: 26"
>> --Question 3: What is your usual distance from top of saddle (at seat tube 
>> centerline) to handlebar center?
>> 
>> Wheel size is 26"-MTB and bike is shown with 1.25" cross-section tire, 
>> 559x32mm. This gives a 10-3/8" bottom bracket height, which is ample with 
>> clipless pedals.
>> 
>> Other notes:
>> --The seat stay bridge is quite close to the tire with these 26x1.25 tires. 
>> This tire size is the absolute maximum that can be used. Fenders cannot be 
>> used front or rear unless smaller tires are used (28mm max).
>> --Frameset comes with Stronglight aluminum headset and Suntour Superbe Pro 
>> bottom bracket.
>> 
>> Please let me know how this frame might fit.”
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from a tiny device
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 10:27 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Adrianna
>>> 
>>>  I believe the Road Standard will fit you and if anything the TT may be a 
>>> bit short which can be corrected with a longer stem or drop bars with 
>>> greater reach.  This is based on the following values for:
>>> 
>>>  Road Standard (RS) 50cm STL and 52cm TTL but the frame angles are not 
>>> provided.   Let’s assume the frame angle are the same the 50cm Rambouillet. 
>>>  This is reasonable since as Saturday Mike pointed out the 50cm Ram and the 
>>> RS are both 26” wheels and the Ram would be the closest Rivendell to the 
>>> Road Standard.  Here is a summary of the RS and Ram geometries
>>> 
>>>  RS   ST 50cm  TTL 52cmSTA  Not Known
>>> HTA  Not Know 
>>> 
>>> Ram   ST 50cm  TTL 52cmSTA  72.5°   
>>>  HTA  71°
>>> 
>>>  Me and my bike:  I’m 5’7” (close to your 5’5”) and I have a 88 Voyageur 
>>> which fits me well with a 7cm stem, 10.4 cm C-C reach drop bars (Rene Herse 
>>> Radonneur), and bar center at same height as the saddle.  The Voyageur 
>>> geometry is:
>>> 
>>> 88 Voy   ST 21” CT (53.3cm)   TTL 54cmSTA 74°HTA 71°
>>> 
>>>  If we compare my 88 Voy to the 50cm Ram, only the STA is different and you 
>>> sit further back on the Ram.   The difference is 1.3cm  (50 x (cos74 
>>> -cos72.5)).
>>> 
>>>  This means I would need a 52.7cm TTL on the Ram to ha

Re: [RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Adrianna T]

That is a gorgeous bike! If all goes well, you'll see my build pics / 
progress in the coming weeks. Thanks for chiming in.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:42:21 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I see you already know the Elk Pass tires.
>
> Here's Natsuko's bike in pass hunter format.
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:12 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Hi Adrianna, 
>>
>> This is my comment from your original thread:
>>
>> I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish 
>> it's too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, 
>> especially with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 
>>
>> My guess - cuz that's all we can do here without you being able to size 
>> it with wheels and bars on, which I agree is frustrating - is the reach 
>> would be on the cramped side with flat bars. A super long stem might solve 
>> that though. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe, Greg, thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>> The main thing is that I'm having trouble understanding whether this is 
>>> too small, or just right for me (I'm 5'5, I would say short torso and 
>>> reach, and regular legs). That's what I hope someone on this group can help 
>>> me understand. I understand it's not an exact science, but in this case I 
>>> don't even know if I'm in the right wheel house. 
>>>
>>> Types of rides I like: 
>>>
>>> - bikepacking
>>> - mostly road with 20% gravel
>>>
>>> I currently ride a modern gravel bike but that just got stolen.
>>>
>>> If this is *possibly* the right size for me, I will probably set it up 
>>> with flat bars and 26" by 1.25" Elk Pass tires. It'll be a long term 
>>> project to get this set up as a 'forever bike', a bike that I'd spend time 
>>> building, and hopefully ride for a long time. I am fine with the price of 
>>> the frame, given the cause and rarity. 
>>>
>>> But I don't know at all whether or not it's even possible. I went to see 
>>> it yesterday and stood over it, but without anything attached to it, that 
>>> felt hard to gauge.
>>>
>>> With the current info above, what do you all think?  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Adrianna - what do you want to know from the group?  If it's whether 
>>>> you should buy it or not, that's really for you to decide, but -- as 
>>>> mentioned before -- (1) the price is on the high end (but it's for a good 
>>>> cause and also, these don't come around often, especially in this size); 
>>>> (2) it's a nice frame that probably rides very well.  Not the lightest 
>>>> bike, and limited tire selection (there are not as many high-end road 
>>>> tires 
>>>> for 26 x 1.5 as for 700c), but I'm sure it handles well in a neutral way.  
>>>> Plenty versatile for all types of road riding and some trails.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure you can get the year from the serial number (from the 
>>>> Waterford site), if that matters.
>>>>
>>>> But really, what are you looking for?  What type of rides will you use 
>>>> this for?  What do you currently ride?  How will you build it up?  And 
>>>> what 
>>>> do you like about it?
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:13 AM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want 
>>>>> the Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard 
>>>>> to tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>>>>>
>>>>> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>>>>>
>>>>> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears 
>>>>> the frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires 
>>>>> would be 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>>>>

[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Adrianna T]

Thanks Joe.

Let's see if I take this plunge. :)

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:12:06 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Adrianna, 
>
> This is my comment from your original thread:
>
> I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish 
> it's too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, 
> especially with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 
>
> My guess - cuz that's all we can do here without you being able to size it 
> with wheels and bars on, which I agree is frustrating - is the reach would 
> be on the cramped side with flat bars. A super long stem might solve that 
> though. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe, Greg, thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> The main thing is that I'm having trouble understanding whether this is 
>> too small, or just right for me (I'm 5'5, I would say short torso and 
>> reach, and regular legs). That's what I hope someone on this group can help 
>> me understand. I understand it's not an exact science, but in this case I 
>> don't even know if I'm in the right wheel house. 
>>
>> Types of rides I like: 
>>
>> - bikepacking
>> - mostly road with 20% gravel
>>
>> I currently ride a modern gravel bike but that just got stolen.
>>
>> If this is *possibly* the right size for me, I will probably set it up 
>> with flat bars and 26" by 1.25" Elk Pass tires. It'll be a long term 
>> project to get this set up as a 'forever bike', a bike that I'd spend time 
>> building, and hopefully ride for a long time. I am fine with the price of 
>> the frame, given the cause and rarity. 
>>
>> But I don't know at all whether or not it's even possible. I went to see 
>> it yesterday and stood over it, but without anything attached to it, that 
>> felt hard to gauge.
>>
>> With the current info above, what do you all think?  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adrianna - what do you want to know from the group?  If it's whether 
>>> you should buy it or not, that's really for you to decide, but -- as 
>>> mentioned before -- (1) the price is on the high end (but it's for a good 
>>> cause and also, these don't come around often, especially in this size); 
>>> (2) it's a nice frame that probably rides very well.  Not the lightest 
>>> bike, and limited tire selection (there are not as many high-end road tires 
>>> for 26 x 1.5 as for 700c), but I'm sure it handles well in a neutral way. 
>>>  Plenty versatile for all types of road riding and some trails.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure you can get the year from the serial number (from the 
>>> Waterford site), if that matters.
>>>
>>> But really, what are you looking for?  What type of rides will you use 
>>> this for?  What do you currently ride?  How will you build it up?  And what 
>>> do you like about it?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:13 AM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want 
>>>> the Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>>>>
>>>> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard 
>>>> to tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>>>>
>>>> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>>>>
>>>> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>>>>
>>>> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears 
>>>> the frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires 
>>>> would be 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>>>>
>>>> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, 
>>>> now I am not so sure.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
>>>> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
>>>> about it ;/
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Adrianna T]

Hi Joe, Greg, thanks for your thoughts.

The main thing is that I'm having trouble understanding whether this is too 
small, or just right for me (I'm 5'5, I would say short torso and reach, 
and regular legs). That's what I hope someone on this group can help me 
understand. I understand it's not an exact science, but in this case I 
don't even know if I'm in the right wheel house. 

Types of rides I like: 

- bikepacking
- mostly road with 20% gravel

I currently ride a modern gravel bike but that just got stolen.

If this is *possibly* the right size for me, I will probably set it up with 
flat bars and 26" by 1.25" Elk Pass tires. It'll be a long term project to 
get this set up as a 'forever bike', a bike that I'd spend time building, 
and hopefully ride for a long time. I am fine with the price of the frame, 
given the cause and rarity. 

But I don't know at all whether or not it's even possible. I went to see it 
yesterday and stood over it, but without anything attached to it, that felt 
hard to gauge.

With the current info above, what do you all think?  


On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:

> Hi Adrianna - what do you want to know from the group?  If it's whether 
> you should buy it or not, that's really for you to decide, but -- as 
> mentioned before -- (1) the price is on the high end (but it's for a good 
> cause and also, these don't come around often, especially in this size); 
> (2) it's a nice frame that probably rides very well.  Not the lightest 
> bike, and limited tire selection (there are not as many high-end road tires 
> for 26 x 1.5 as for 700c), but I'm sure it handles well in a neutral way. 
>  Plenty versatile for all types of road riding and some trails.
>
> I'm pretty sure you can get the year from the serial number (from the 
> Waterford site), if that matters.
>
> But really, what are you looking for?  What type of rides will you use 
> this for?  What do you currently ride?  How will you build it up?  And what 
> do you like about it?
>
> Greg
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:13 AM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want the 
>> Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>>
>> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard to 
>> tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>>
>> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>>
>> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>>
>> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>>
>> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
>> frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
>> 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>>
>> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now 
>> I am not so sure.
>>
>> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
>> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
>> about it ;/
>>
>

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[RBW] Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Adrianna T]

Hi everyone,

I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want the 
Riv Road Standard bike frame.

Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard to 
tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.

So further details are posted her (on my personal page):

https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44

Joe also called Grant and provided this update:

" After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."

My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now I 
am not so sure.

Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
about it ;/

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Adrianna T]

Thank you everyone for your input!

I am going to think about this quite seriously and may come back with 
questions about the parts I need to build it up.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:

> My 1996 Riv catalog says that the 50cm (c-t) is built for 26" wheels. 
> 4.5cm drop.  The rear spacing is listed at 129, "which can be squeezed or 
> spread slight to fit various hubs."
>
> "50 women's" has a tt of 50.5cm, and "50 men's" has 52.5cm.  So I would 
> guess this one is 50cm men's.  Not that that makes any difference. 
>
> @Adriana, it's hard to guess the fit - there are so many factors to 
> consider.  Personally, I'd say this is on the smaller end of what fits for 
> you, but probably will fit fine.  5'-5" would usually put you at about a 
> 52cm seat tube (center-top) and 53.5cm top tube.  Because this is a 
> frameset only, you'll be taking a bit of a risk I think, without being able 
> to ride it.
>
> I had one of these a while back (54cm size), and it was a really nice 
> riding bike.  I sold it because I wanted to fit even larger tires.
>
> Greg
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:01:18 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It depends on when the frame was built, it could be several years away 
>> from when that spec sheet was published. The ad says it's measured C-to-T 
>> so I believe it's a real 50cm frame, and my (vague) memory of that time is 
>> it came with 26" wheels. The Rambouillet in 50 and 52cm also used the 
>> smaller wheels. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:29:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> But in the spec sheet Jim attached, the smallest size is 52cm. I guess 
>>> it depends on how Rivendell  measures .CC or CT?  Rear spacing is 130 and 
>>> wheel size is 700 c according to the Riv spec.
>>>
>>> Nice frame...grab it if it fits!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:20:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish 
>>>> it's too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, 
>>>> especially with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 
>>>>
>>>> The listing says 125 rear spacing but I'm pretty sure all Riv Roads 
>>>> werr 130. Check for wheel size, I think the 50cm frames used 26" like 
>>>> mountain bikes. 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>>>>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adrianna
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Adrianna T]

Definitely a toss up at the moment because of price, and how I am not sure 
it will be 100% a perfect fit. But it's tempting because of the color and 
how it's not that common to come by. 

I don't actually own a Riv at the moment, but have ridden a friend's 
Roadeo, and loved it; so either I go into this for the heck of it, or I try 
to get a new Roadini, Roadeo or Atlantis. I have a fancy modern gravel bike 
right now, which I like, but I think for the same weight I probably prefer 
the Riv style of things.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:08:32 PM UTC-8 Corwin wrote:

> The Mountain Bike Museum sells lots more than frames...
>
> Every time I go by there, I am tempted by at least a couple of their bikes.
>
>
> Corwin
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:06:47 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Didn't realize the Mountain Bike Museum was selling frames
>> Road Standard dimensions are on this never-quite finished resource - 
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/
>>
>> Here's the direct link to the image
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>>
>> I will say it sort hurts to hear a '95 described as "vintage" but 
>> there ya go.
>>
>> Good frame - won't have quite the tire clearances we're seeing on more 
>> recent models, of course. Horizontal dropouts, too. 
>>
>> Jim
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>>
>>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>>
>>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>>
>>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>>
>>> -Adrianna
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Adrianna T]

Thanks for all the thoughts. I have reservations about buying this frame at 
this price, but that's alleviated by the knowledge that it's for the 
museum. In any case, I will go see it, and probably decide later in the 
week.

I don't actually have a Riv at the moment, I have one of those gravel bikes 
that I will likely sell for a Riv. Whether it's a 1995 one or a new one, I 
don't know.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:08:32 PM UTC-8 Corwin wrote:

> The Mountain Bike Museum sells lots more than frames...
>
> Every time I go by there, I am tempted by at least a couple of their bikes.
>
>
> Corwin
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:06:47 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Didn't realize the Mountain Bike Museum was selling frames
>> Road Standard dimensions are on this never-quite finished resource - 
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/
>>
>> Here's the direct link to the image
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>>
>> I will say it sort hurts to hear a '95 described as "vintage" but 
>> there ya go.
>>
>> Good frame - won't have quite the tire clearances we're seeing on more 
>> recent models, of course. Horizontal dropouts, too. 
>>
>> Jim
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>>
>>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>>
>>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>>
>>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>>
>>> -Adrianna
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Adrianna T]

Hi folks,

I saw this ad and I am very 
tempted: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html

I'm going to see it next week to decide.

1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 

2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other tips 
or advice on this particular frame? 

-Adrianna

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