[RBW] Re: 650b and the MTB crowd.
Jim, I really appreciate the common sense way you represent the LBS point of view, but some niche items (for lack of a better term) are just too far off the radar for most shops. Your shop is a rare exception. I know and trust a local shop where they actually do very good work. I try to support and spend with them when I can rather than internet order everything. I recently asked if they had any seat posts with more offset, to which the manager replied that posts aren't even made that way because of the added stress induced by greater offset. I just went home and ordered one from Harris. Bill On Feb 16, 7:28 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: In the oddball little Rivendell niche, a shop could conceivably stock most of the parts of interest, most of the time. In the broader world of bikes, however, it's impossible. There's just too much, and since few shops can isolate themselves in a niche and survive, we have to be ready for anybody who walks through the door, from the guy who rides dumpstered X-mart BSOs to the bleeding edge roadie to the retrogrouch looking for a wide selection of toe clips and straps to the antiquarian who wants us to find chainrings for his old Stronglight crank. Here, when we're busy, we can order it for you means it'll be here tomorrow. Still, I get a chuckle when customers tell me, that's ok, I'll try some other shops when I'm 99% certain that no local shop would intentionally stock such a low-demand item. Good luck, I say! Anyway, we can order it for you is not the kiss of death. They'll likely get it faster that you would from Harris or whatever, and if it's a good shop they'll keep you from making a mistake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Should have been riding a Betty Foy
So does the Riv No Warranty Frame Warranty cover stuff like this? I'm guessing NOT. On Feb 17, 11:03 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I think a Betty Foy with some Nitto bars and Rich built wheels would have held up better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=W-rAv43UFnA --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Campy Record 10 group on Rambouillet?
While most of the RBW crowd seem to prefer bar ends and friction shifting, there is at least a significant number - myself included - who like brifters and indexed. I have Shimano STI on one bike, Campy Ergo on another, both are 9 speed, I like them both. I may switch to bar ends just for a change when those eventually wear out, but as others have opined, the central thing about RBW philosophy is to do what you like and to make your bikes uniquely yours. You'll seldom see two RBW bikes exactly alike, at least on this list, and much of the fun is in seeing how differently the bikes are set up. I hope the new impetus toward coordinated Build Kits does not change that much. Have at it, and as Grant has advised, be sure to do something to make it unlike any other bike in the velo universe. On Feb 12, 1:45 am, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote: Would I be breaking any RBW aesthetic rules by throwing on a Campy Record 10 group on my Ramouillet? And yes, carbon shifters/fd/rd but alloy cranks. Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTT/WTB: 165mm compact double crankarms or crankset
Don't have one I want to sell, but Ben's Cycles in Milwaukee was where I bought a Sugino Alpina double with 165 arms a few months back at a really reasonable price. If you end up having to purchase a new one, be sure to check with them. It was the only place I could find online with it in stock, and they were great to deal with. On Feb 12, 8:06 am, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: hi, I am looking for a pair of 165mm 110 bcd double crank arms or crankset that uses JIS square taper bottom bracket. Sugino XD700, Sugino Cospea/ Alpina double, Sugino AT (because I can use it as a double) are good examples of something I am looking for in 165mm length These are some of the items I can offer in trade: - a pair of near new XD2 triple crankset (including rings and hardwares) with 170mm crank arms - Specialized Sequoia original fork (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ franklyn/6710162655/in/photostream) - a pair of Tubus duo rack (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/ 6710166367/in/photostream) If you have a pair that you want to sell outright, you can let me know, too. thanks, Franklyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: regarding the defunct rapid rise derailers and those anti-handlebar-flop doohickeys.
Patrick writes: An incidental benefit was that I could leave the stand down when wheeling the bike through the grocery store and park it whenever I needed to investigate an item more closely instead of having to find something to lean the bike against and likely as not knocking askew some display. You roll the bike around the store with you while you shop? You do indeed march to a different drummer. How's that work with the trike? Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nuance of the rebate system
This is no way will affect my appreciation for your many years of dedicated and exemplary customer service. I am sure I speak for the vast majority of the list members. Not all agree with everything you do (like double TTs, but let's not restart that debate) but in many years of following this forum I have rarely seen anything but high praise for your kind and gracious service. If you want to have a reward/rebate program or not will be fine, just if you do have one don't make your purchasers jump through too many hoops please. FWIW, my $.02. Thanks for the thoughtful reply to our concerns. On Feb 1, 3:42 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: Dear René and Bill and everyone, Thank you for your comments and suggestions. Much appreciated. We are working within the limitations of the system (Volusion) that allows us to run our own web site and ordering system in-house. In-house means us. Mostly Dave. There may be ways to do some of the things that bigger businesses do with their benefits programs, and we're continually exploring those options. By keeping it in-house, we can also keep it affordable, which, in turn, allows us to keep the wolf from the door in every sense of the expression. That said, we certainly don't want to discourage business by complicating something that should be simple. I promise you: if there's an easier, cleaner way to do something, and it doesn't cost a qazillion dollars to do it, that's always the way we will be heading. Thank you for your patience and continued support while we steer the boat in that direction. Best regards, John @ RBW On Feb 1, 10:47 am, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The way I'd like to see the system be implemented, if possible, would be similar to the way airline miles work. As long as I keep placing new orders before the 120 days expire, my rebate points never die. When I have enough for a new order, that's when I activate them and use them. This way I can wait until I have enough and minimize the hassle of having to split orders to match the rebate points I have. This would be a win-win scenario. RBW gets the recurring orders and we get to use our rebates whenever we want as long as we don't let them expire. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nuance of the rebate system
John, Normally when stores try to sign me up for their benefits programs I decline for this very reason. Life's too complicated already, and it's just too much to keep up with. But I have seen such programs work quite well, like the one with the drug store that my wife and I frequent. Because we are regular customers we get a very nice discount on everything we buy (other than Rx's) simply by giving them our discount cards to scan, or if we forget the card a phone number works in their system just as well. After many years in sales, marketing and customer service, I can say that any customer benefit program that becomes too much nuisance and complication rapidly devolves from a positive to a negative for customer retention and goodwill. Just stating a general proposition. Make your own application and use your own judgement, just remember the KISS principle. It became cliche for good reason. Bill Carter On Feb 1, 9:51 am, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: In retail, there's always talk of features and benefits, so we generally talk about rebates as a benefit of membership or your purchase or whatever, but, in reality, they are a thank you for buying from us, and keeping us going in a tough economy. Thank you, one and all. We're here because of you, and we appreciate it way more than the rebate can say. John @ RBW On Jan 31, 10:36 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: +1. Rebates are a bonus, so however Rivendell want to do them is OK with me. I won't be paying attention. On Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:52:25 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: I liked the old system better, but don't really care much. I'll just ignore the rebate situation and order stuff when I need it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My Bikes
Amazing. You have a good start on a cycling museum there. Reminds me of my bro' in law's man cave. He's into canoes and kayaks and has eight of them stored in a similar manner to your bikes. I spent about an hour Saturday admiring his boat collection and advising him on a Trek exercise bike somebody gave him. Thanks for sharing the photos. On Jan 30, 9:49 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: PBP on a fixed Quickbeam? You're my hero. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Norris Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] My Bikes Thought the group might be interested in seeing most of my bikes. There are a few that don't fit into the bike room, but here is the bulk of the collection: http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157629093186449/with... Not shown here are my 1973 Motobecane (fixed), my 1970s-ish Raleigh Superbe, a Dahon Curve folder, and a very heavy twin-top-tube town bike from India (made, no doubt, in a factory left behind by the British). Enjoy! --Eric campyonly...@me.commailto:campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comhttp://www.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.orghttp://www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: My Bikes
She sounds like a keeper. On Jan 30, 10:16 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Actually, the Bike Room was my wife's idea. She helped convert my son's room after he moved out to go to school. --Eric N Sent from my iPad2 On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:17 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: A bike room! I need to show this to my wife. -JimD On Jan 29, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Eric Norris wrote: Thought the group might be interested in seeing most of my bikes. There are a few that don't fit into the bike room, but here is the bulk of the collection: http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157629093186449/with... Not shown here are my 1973 Motobecane (fixed), my 1970s-ish Raleigh Superbe, a Dahon Curve folder, and a very heavy twin-top-tube town bike from India (made, no doubt, in a factory left behind by the British). Enjoy! --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Is the San Marcos a true Rivendell?
Pat, I am an older rider also, and I own a Heron road which is a similar bike, designed by Grant back in the day, made by Waterford and distributed through a special Heron dealer network but also sold by Riv. I bought and built it new about eight years ago, and for me it rides better than anything, including a Waterford 1250 that I also have in my stable. It's handling is quick and sporty, but predicatable and confidence inspiring in a way that is hard to describe, and it takes long downhills like nobody's business. It truly is the last bike I'd give up, and most Riv afficionados regard the Heron as in the family, if not a true Rivendell. I received one of the Riv headbadge logo decals in an order from RBW HQ, slapped that sucker on the seat tube, so now I am all set! At least until it peals off. Best thing about it is that if you find you don't like the SOMA San Marcos (not likely), it should be easy to sell and recoup at least most of your investment. The SOMA line has a following of its own, and when when you combine that with the Riv connection (much like my Waterford made Heron)you can appeal to two groups of loyalists. Best of luck, and let the list know what you decide. Oh, and we do like pictures. Bill Carter On Jan 24, 5:52 pm, Pat revfirstsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Folks, I am an old guy (almost 64) and just finished my second year of cycling. I put in 4200 miles last year on a carbon frame bike which I like, but I'm looking around for something more comfortable for longer rides and light touring. I ran across the Rivendells a couple of months ago. I like what I'm reading and I'm esp interested in the Sam Hillborne and San Marcos. Do you Riv owners consider the San Marcos a true Rivendell? Can I expect the same quality ride, etc. from the San Marcos as I would the other Riv bikes? (I'm asking because it doesn't bear the Riv name.) Thanks in advance for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What kind of mustache wax to use?
Thanks for the recipe. RBW was out of Obenauf's last time I checked. On Jan 23, 5:57 pm, Kevin M kpmulc...@gmail.com wrote: Make your own! It's sounds simple enough:http://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wax/diy.shtml Otherwise, my wife has a little shave n' soap line of products we sell in barber shops here in Chicago. We're currently developing a mustache wax to add to the line. If you want to be a guinea pig I'll send you a sample when it's ready. Kevin M Chicago, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship
To quote the immortal words of Monty Python, Now for something completely different! http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tricycle+videoview=detailmid=A593168C00F2D7C18FF3A593168C00F2D7C18FF3first=0FORM=LKVR6 On Jan 22, 11:31 am, David Yu Greenblatt david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick please post some recent photos of your trike with some New Mexico scenery in the background for us snowbound folks in northern climes to admire. I imagine on a trike the rear fenders are less important for the rider in terms of maintaining a dry butt. But from an aesthetic point of view I would want really fantastic fenders on my trike, with a lot of metal wrapping around the tires some of the old French bikes on Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. Ahhh. All is well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Too bad about the LOTR restriction, by the way. Wouldn't Shadowfax be a terrific bike name? Lord of the horses of Rohan and Gandalf the White's noble steed. On Jan 13, 7:46 pm, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: The Sackvilles were quite grasping and obnoxious, disliked by both Bilbo and Frodo. One of Grant's more tongue-in-cheek allusions I suspect. On Jan 12, 11:55 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I was expressing my regret that I didn't buy a bag when they were called Baggins when he corrected me. Actually the Sackvilles were another family in the Shire. Ahhh. All is well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tweed bags
Carla, Several years ago someone from RBW, it may have been Grant himself, let it slip that Riv employees privately referred to customers who were greatly concerned with bags matching bags and bags matching bikes as bag matchers. It wasn't meant in a derogatory way, just sort of an inside joke they had. From that time on posters to the Riv forum took to referring to themselves and to each other as bag matchers for exactly what you describe in your post. So maybe you aren't a matchy matchy person in most things, but here you are officially a bag matcher from now on. I confess, I am one too, so welcome to the RBW Bag Matchers Club. Regards, Bill On Jan 10, 2:37 pm, Carla Waugh lhtbikert...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I did it wrong and thanks. Carla Artist/Art Educator/Bicyclist On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote: Carla, you should send a link for all us to admire your bicycle and its matching bags! Amit On Jan 9, 6:53 pm, Carla Waugh lhtbikert...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a matchy matchy person however on my black LHT for the first time my blue tweed Nigel Smyth handlebar bag and saddlebag look beautiful. Artist/Art Educator/Bicyclist -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I agree with Jeremy and Geoff. This has been one of the more interesting discussions on the forum in quite a while, but Jeremy's suggestion is the best of the bunch. I hope Riv will at least consider looking into it. As Patrick mentions, there are many beautiful Native American tribal names and place names in use here in the southeast where I live, but it only makes sense to look into those closer to RBW territory. On Jan 8, 10:08 pm, Geoff mocha...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Jeremy, Your quote(partial): I would say that the best way to do it would be to research the peoples native to Rivendell's stomping grounds; maybe use one of the native names for Mt. Diablo, to pay tribute to the terrain that has shaped Rivendell bikes for years. Just mho, but I think that's a great idea. Apparently, there were quite a few local tribes that lived in the area now known as East Contra Costa County and Mount Diablo. Amongst them were the Ohlone, Miwoks, and Yokuts, just to name a few. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Mountains of the Rose City
Your photography is amazing. I immediatly put up the bike silhouette against the mountain as my new favorite desktop background. On Jan 9, 4:03 am, Smitty-A-Go-Go 54ca...@gmail.com wrote: Even though we'd never met, list member Norm and I recognized each other from across the street. He was sitting at a sidewalk table in front of a coffee shop and I was walking my bike on the sidewalk to the crosswalk to come meet him. We had connected through the list here. His orange All Rounder and my blue AHH were dead giveaways. We discussed destinations/routes a little bit and were soon on our way. About half a mile up the road there was a sudden and horrible sound from my rear wheel. It was the sound of metal clanging against metal. I slammed on the brakes and looked back. Everything looked ok but the tire was flat before the bike was even stopped. Further investigation led me to a #4 finish nail through the sidewall of my tire. The sound was the nail hitting the seat+chain+fender stays... like a finger strums a harp. Fortunately I had pliers in my tool roll because the nail was in there really tight. The spare tube came in handy too. I got the wheel back together and we were back on the road. Our first real stop was Mt Tabor. We got peek-a-boo views of Mt Hood and a nice clearing provided views toward downtown Portland, but the forest was too dense on the Mt St Helens side to really see any thing. Next stop was Rocky Butte. There's an interesting structure that looks like a castle from the outside, but when you get up to it the castle is full of dirt and is just a lawn and walking path with a spectacular view. Norm and I ate a snack, took a few pics, and soaked in the view. It was time to head home. As I was turning onto my street I was thinking it was perfect timing 'cause it was just about time to dig the lights out of the saddlesack. A fun little adventure with some great views and good conversation. click for the pix http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157628789865139/ --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
I'm surprised no one in this discussion has mentioned one of Grant's favorite literary characters, Hiawatha. On Jan 6, 11:47 pm, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: On Jan 6, 10:41 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents is..I think Native-American traditions and names and such are very cool, and worthy of honor on a bicycle. I hope Grant doesn't get spooked out of it by people claiming he's disrespecting them in some way. Last I heard, stars 'n' stripes motifs on bikes was considered a celebration of America. There ain't nothing more American than the first ones. It can be done in a good way: talk to Native people. Learn what it means to do it in a good way. A bicycle with a given name would be truly wonderful. -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Indian bike names
Thanks for pointing that out, I'd missed it. I doubt he'd use the name Hiawatha itself out of consideration for Jim Thill, but it sounds like he may be playing with the idea of using one out of the Longfellow work. It would certainly go along with the use of Rivendell and various product names drawn from Tolkien's books. In fact, I named one of my children using a Tolkien place name, and that was several years before the founding of RBW, so I was not influenced by Grant in doing so. But then everyone knows what they say about great minds. On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Grant did in the original Blug post. On Jan 7, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised no one in this discussion has mentioned one of Grant's favorite literary characters, Hiawatha. On Jan 6, 11:47 pm, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: On Jan 6, 10:41 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents is..I think Native-American traditions and names and such are very cool, and worthy of honor on a bicycle. I hope Grant doesn't get spooked out of it by people claiming he's disrespecting them in some way. Last I heard, stars 'n' stripes motifs on bikes was considered a celebration of America. There ain't nothing more American than the first ones. It can be done in a good way: talk to Native people. Learn what it means to do it in a good way. A bicycle with a given name would be truly wonderful. -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. ------ To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. ======- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: School-bus yellow, mustard
On Jan 5, 9:55 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: WOW, Bill, that one really pops. I see a bit of lime green on my monitor. Is it there, or just a computer distortion? In real life the bike has no hint of green (or orange), so it must be an optical illusion of some sort. And pop is a good desription, I feel really visible when riding it. Please post pics of the Ticonderoga Bleriot if available. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?
On Jan 5, 1:37 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: This is genius. I wave drivers by to let them know I know they're there, but I didn't have a signal for, Calm down, I know you're there, hang on a minute. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: On the topic of taking the lane , I've had much success with hand signals. hold up one finger to exclaim hang on a minute and we'll get past this together; -- -- Anne Paulson Good points, but the drivers I worry about are not the ones who wait, either patiently or impatiently, for a signal. I am more than happy to wave them by. Out here in the country pretty much everybody waves at everybody anyway. It's the ones who decide at a distance it's okay to speed up and hurry around (in spite of oncoming traffic and precious little room to spare) who worry me, risking my life to save themselves a few lousy seconds. Fortunately those are few. I live in an area near a major university (about twelve miles from Athens, GA) where cycling is common and seems to be on the increase. I think awareness of cyclists and courtesy from motorists has improved here over the last few years. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom
On Jan 5, 12:12 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/4/12, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is. This may be just a question of semantics, but I have always thought of the Ramboulliet/Romulus as a type of sports tourer bike. Keep in mind I have never owned or ridden a Ram, but I do own a Heron Road I have ridden for years and more recently acquired a Waterford 1250, both of which are generally similar bikes to the Ram/Rom in my mind, and the type of bike I prefer for my on-road recreational use. (I'm not going anywhere too fast anyhow, so I might as well be more comfortable.) I run 28s without fenders on both bikes, but I may give 32s a try next time tires are needed. I am not trying to be argumentative, just would like some clarification on the terminology from some of you more knowledgeable folks. Is a classic road bike close to the same thing, or is sports tourer or light touring bike just some marketing mumbo jumbo? PS - I would love it if Grant/Riv would paint some Rodeo frames in the original Ram orange and badge and decal them as Ramboulliet 2s. I'd probably sell every bike I've got to buy one of those. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom
I should probably add that I think the Roadeo (which I misspelled in my previous post) is a great looking bike also, I just think the name is a little too punning and cutesy. (A minor complaint at best.) On Jan 6, 11:49 am, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 5, 12:12 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/4/12, Esteban kemm...@gmail.com wrote: Ride the Romulus as the classic road bike it is. This may be just a question of semantics, but I have always thought of the Ramboulliet/Romulus as a type of sports tourer bike. Keep in mind I have never owned or ridden a Ram, but I do own a Heron Road I have ridden for years and more recently acquired a Waterford 1250, both of which are generally similar bikes to the Ram/Rom in my mind, and the type of bike I prefer for my on-road recreational use. (I'm not going anywhere too fast anyhow, so I might as well be more comfortable.) I run 28s without fenders on both bikes, but I may give 32s a try next time tires are needed. I am not trying to be argumentative, just would like some clarification on the terminology from some of you more knowledgeable folks. Is a classic road bike close to the same thing, or is sports tourer or light touring bike just some marketing mumbo jumbo? PS - I would love it if Grant/Riv would paint some Rodeo frames in the original Ram orange and badge and decal them as Ramboulliet 2s. I'd probably sell every bike I've got to buy one of those. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: School-bus yellow, mustard
On Jan 6, 11:03 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Here ya go, Bill. http://www.flickr.com/photos/by-cycle/4058054535/ I like it, Joe. Good choice. Kind of in between the HyperCanary and the mustardy colors. The one thing I dislike about my Waterford is that it shows every speck of dirt or grease, and I find myself always looking for a rag to wipe it down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Custom cassettes
On Jan 2, 7:55 pm, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I mentioned that I had a 9 speed 11-34 to convert into an 8 speed 13-34. Well by golly it works suprisingly well. After filing off the 3 rivets holding it together, I inserted 8 speed spacers in place of the 9s and used an 8 speed 13 tooth small cog. . . Amazing! Sounds like a kludge worthy of the legendary P. Moore. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kludge -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?
On Jan 4, 10:52 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: I'm itching to ride right now, but agreed to drive since I was working late today! I hear you, Rex. Of course I meant the itch to ride for potential buyers might fetch you a higher price, but only if you can control your own itch and time it right! Much easier said than done. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?
Matt wrote: I don't think anyone was suggesting riding in the center of the road. However, 'taking the lane', or moving away from the shoulder to discourage motor traffic from trying to 'squeeze past' when it is not safe to do so (road is too narrow, oncoming traffic, debris in the shoulder, etc) is a well documented strategy for riding a bicycle safely on the roads. You read me correctly, Matt, not middle of the road but away from the shoulder and toward the center of the right lane to discourage such risky passing. Sorry if I was not clear enough, and I appreciate the clarification. The SUVs and pickups in rural GA are much bigger than I am, so Bruce is right also. Retaliation is not the brightest idea. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: School-bus yellow, mustard
Joe, Here's a link to pics of my 97 Waterford 1250, acquired a few months ago used on ebay. According to Richard Schwinn's response to my inquiry about the color, this is a Waterford frame repaint in HyperCanary Yellow, a two stage color with white base then yellow then clearcoat . http://www.flickr.com/photos/73687646@N04/6644647059/in/photostream/ Not mustard, but sure is yellow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?
Kelly writes: Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum. I'm sorry last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not be defended. Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review of how a Roadeo will fit you? Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy for you 28mm tires? Don't be so touchy, Kelly. Patrick doesn't really need defending, but I've read countless of his posts over the years and he is always entertaining, very pro-Riv, and a valuable asset here. I think he really just wants to hear your reasoning. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?
Rex, I watch the old Treks on ebay pretty closely, and I think your plan makes great sense economically. The 520s with tig welded frames like yours are very popular, sell quickly, and I am always amazed that framesets in general seem to sell pretty close in price to fully built bikes. I checked my saved list and saw two built up bikes that recently sold, one for $785 and another for $520. The $785 bike had very low miles (300-400) on it. Yours looks to be a very nice color and well cared for, so I would say you shold be able to sell the frame/ fork with bottom bracket and headset for somewhere in the $350 - $450 range. If you can hold off til early spring when the itch to ride kicks in, you may be able to do a bit better. I see no reason that most of your parts could not be reused on a new Riv frame. Good luck, and let us know how it works out. Bill Carter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?
Jim, I believe we all have had similar experiences. A recent law was passed here in Georgia that requires motorists to give cyclists at least three feet clearance, but it remains to be seen whether the police will actually enforce it, and publicity to educate the motoring public about the new law has been sorely lacking. I was once buzzed on an uphill by a huge black SUV, and I moved over toward the center of the lane thinking that might dissuade the next idiot from trying the same stunt. Well, a sheriff's car pulled me over to lecture me for not riding far enough to the right. I was tempted to ask him how many cars he had pulled over in his career for buzzing cyclists too close, but I figured arguing with the long arm of the law might not be a good idea. Thanks for the reminder to be careful out there, and to be respectful of others on the forum because life's just too short. Bill Carter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Looking for Carradice Camper / Sackville comparisons
I have never used the Camper, but I have had a Barley bag reinfored with cardboard in the bottom for several years. I use the Riv Silver Hupe and have had no problems with sagging. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r9.htm I found it necessary to wrap the stays with some electrical tape for paint protection when installing, but the Hupe is an ingenious little device that can be adjusted vertically more easily than a rack. On Dec 14, 9:03 am, opa...@gmail.com opa...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone out there owned and used both the Carradice Camper Longflap and the Sackville SaddleSacks (medium or large)? How do they compare sizewise and rigidity? It looks like the Sackville bags have a more rigid bottom to them from the pictures on the RBW site.? I have a Carradice bag now but, (I dread writing this) the bag tends to sag. That is, hanging off the back of the saddle, the bag tends to droop, both downwards and with a very slight semi-circular curve around the seat post. The downward sag (or droop in the center) is worse than the forward tending sag. It's bad enough that I've cut up some of those semi-rigid cardboard type for sale signs in the bottom of the bag, but even these get all bendy when stuff is stuffed in the bag. I don't use my IRD rack when I have the Carradice on the bike as it jabs right up into the center of the bag.. Thoughts? Cheers, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friday Fun. Anyone good at Rivendell puzzles?
Ted, Thanks for your response, and for your role in bringing this bike to market. As Steve says, the Heron represents an important chapter in Riv history. I own one of the later Heron Roads that I purchased from one of the dealers in 2003, and I still treasure the bike after many years of riding it. I hope there are no lingering hard feelings among any of the original partners because you did a good thing. The poster was a great idea, Marty. Hopefully RBW will sanction it or even consider selling it themselves, sans controversy of course. Bill On Dec 13, 9:28 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: The Heron Road and Touring were Riv's first production bikes and predated/were replaced by the Rambouillet and Atlantis respectively... Steve On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Heron's will be added, and the poster will have to grow another row, but that means I can add the undertuber AHH too, (like I did the Hillborne) and probably one more I'm sure will come along. Do you recall when the Heron's were introduced? Was it just after the Long Low? Speaking of posters, I think I have one of the Heron posters around somewhere. That was a nice one for sure. Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lw3kEDhWTUoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bottom Bracket size for an Atlantis
I installed a 34-48 Sugina Alpina recently on my Waterford 1250. 110 mm was recommended, used a Simano that size and it worked great with good chainline. On Dec 13, 7:56 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I had an Alpina crank with a 107 Phil Wood on my Ebisu All purpose, but needed to set it up off center. Phil's bb have up to 3 cm of variability in the set up, so I would feel confident with a 110 if I were setting up an Atlantis - which I wish I was! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friday Fun. Anyone good at Rivendell puzzles?
Ted, Weren't you one of the original partners with RBW in the Heron project? I also have a poster (still in the tube) which is an artist's rendering of the brick front of a bike shop with a Heron bike in the window and an old bird smoking and pipe and walking with a cane out front. Is this the poster you are referring to? Why the controversy? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill Carter On Dec 11, 10:47 pm, RonaTD teddur...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 11, 6:54 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Herons will be added, and the poster will have to grow another row, but that means I can add the undertuber AHH too, (like I did the Hillborne) and probably one more I'm sure will come along. Do you recall when the Heron's were introduced? Was it just after the Long Low? Speaking of posters, I think I have one of the Heron posters around somewhere. That was a nice one for sure. The first Heron batch was in late 1997. I still have a handful of the controversial posters. contact me by email if you want one. Ted Durant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friday Fun. Anyone good at Rivendell puzzles?
Marty, I would suggest inclusion of the Heron models, Road and Touring. These were designed by Grant, made by Waterford, sold direct by RBW for a time, and precursors of the Rambouillet and Atlantis as I understand it. There are several pics of both available on Cyclofiend's website. On Dec 10, 9:21 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: OK - here's the latest version, with the order listed in the description: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/6486742477/in/photostream Are we close? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: BOSCO RUBBE
I hope this post goes through. For some unknown reason I have trouble posting here even though I am a long time list member. I was in my LBS this morning getting the wheels trued for my daughter's college bike. (They needed it badly after only one semester of use at Berry College in Rome, GA.) My LBS happens to be a Giant dealer, and while I was there the manager was delivering one of these to a customer making a Christmas gift purchase: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/via.2.w/9017/48940/ Pink wheels and all! I couldn't help but notice some similarities with Grant's new design and its intended purpose, including swept back bars, 700-32s, single front ring, thumb shifter, relaxed angles, and so on. The Giant is a split top tube mixte with swooping stays that reminded me a little of the pictures of Grant's design minus the top tube. Interestingly, the Giant bike, intended for possible Townie/ Commuter use or as an all purpose cruiser, comes with its own allen wrench tool for removing the wheels (does not use quick releases), and has a faux Brooks honey saddle with springs, leather looking grips, and metal fenders. I complimented the customer on his purchase and assured him this should be a very versatile, fun bike. I haven't ridden one of these to known how it rides, but I give Giant credit for designing and building a well thought out steel bike with great versatility. I think Grant, Sheldon and others deserve a lot of credit for getting the big companies to start thinking outside of the box. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soaked to the bone and happy!
Thanks for the ride report, Leslie. It brought back happy memories for me. The Virginia Creeper Trail was a favorite ride for me and my family back six or seven years ago when my daughter was younger and we rode a lot of rail trails together. It rained on us every year the three years we went, so I know exactly what you mean by wet and happy. The 17 mile downhill from Mt Rogers to Damascus is absolute delight. The Appalachian Trail crosses the Creeper there in Damascus, so there is a chance for great hiking too. There was an older gentleman who was known as the Legend of the Creeper Trail who rode the entire distance from Abingdon and back, around 75 miles round trip, practically every single day. His name is Laurence Dye and was in his mid to late seventies then, and rode a silver Litespeed Mountain bike. I met him once as he was finishing his round trip and got some pics made with him. I just googled him, and apparently he's still at it: http://www.vacreepertrail.org/ride-legend It sounds like you enjoyed the ride as much as we did. I would highly recommend it. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Leslie writes: The bike itself is a *wonderful* gift, and the trips with you would be a wonderful gift for him too; but, I would not want to see you sad if he'd rather stick to your already-established format, instead of the longer jaunts... I am really pleased to be a part of this list where the overwhelming attitude is one of support and encouragement for each other, and I think Leslie's suggestion is absolutely right on target. I lost my dad this past April, and I miss him every day. He was a WWII veteran with 24 bombing missions aboard a B17 Flying Fortress to his credit. Toward the end he was wheelchair bound - a man who had hunted, fished, flown airplanes, ridden horses, roped cattle, and played golf almost all his life - and my last visit with him was spent with him smoking cigars and petting a stray cat on the front porch of the verterans home where he spent his last days. It was what he enjoyed, and I wouldn't trade my memory of that day for anything. So buy the bike, let your Dad's wishes guide you, and spend as much time with him as you can. Best of luck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?
It does seem impossible to disassociate what any product should cost - whether bicycles, widgets or cans of tomato soup - from what the consumer is able and willing to pay. Without the demand side of the equation, there would be no supply, at least not for long, and the given product would disappear from the market place. It also makes sense that the product MUST cost more than the cost to design, manufacture, distribute and market it. Without some profit incentive the product again would cease to exist. So somewhere between willingness to pay and cost-of-goods (plus some reasonable profit margin) is where I end up. All this being said, when discussing bicycles specifically, the junk being sold by mass marketers is indeed too cheap to provide that living wage to the workers who make the things or to provide a safe, reliable, fun-to-ride product for the end user. Yet they continue to sell these year after year. On the other hand, some of the carbon fiber whiz bang stuff sold at the typical LBS is way over priced in my opinion, but the retail shops themselves certainly do not make huge mark-ups and many of them struggle to stay in business. I agree with Zack that Rivs are likely priced too low, and so are the frames of most of the master craftsmen builders around. We are lucky to have folks like these who love the cycling sport and culture enough to do what they do for reasons other than pure economics. On Jul 26, 9:18 am, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: It should cost a price which allows the businesses that create the parts to sustain themselves. I think that Rivendells are probably priced too low. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: How much should a bike cost?
On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 7/26/11 6:41 AM, dan gee at dmg...@gmail.com wrote: IPerhaps there can be no modern equivilent of the Heron because it is a flawed concept (wait a second - I do really like the bikes - I'm trying to make a larger point here...). From a buyer's perspective, why pay for lugs and paint when a TIG'ed Surly can be had a bit cheaper? What am I missing here? Doesn't the original concept of the Heron still live on in bikes like the Bleriot, the Sam and the new SOMA San Marcos? They all sell (or sold) at close to the same price point as the Heron frames did and they provide a no-frills high quality lugged frame that the buyer can build up in any number of ways. While the jury may be out on the new SOMA, the Bleriot and Sam have been quite successful. The Herons came in a road version and a tourer and some have been successfully converted to 650B. What may have doomed the Heron was that Rivendell quit selling them as they brought other products online that they chose to focus on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Looks like that 2TT thing's catching on in a BIG way!
http://www.whotv.com/sports/ragbrai/ But who's going to ride this thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] X01 on Ebay
Check this one out: http://cgi.ebay.com/1993-Bridgestone-XO-1-Road-Bicycle-52cm-/300579207159?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item45fbeab7f7 No relationship to seller, no interest in buying, just interested in what the group might say 'bout this red hot deal! Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
