Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[CJ]

It's my understanding that the CPSC mandated some kind of secondary 
retention system, and Lawyer Lips eventually became the default. Please 
correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen a few other types from bikes built in 
the mid to late 80s. The best ones had little tabs attached to the axle 
that rotated up to engage screw heads or bosses on the inside of the fork 
blades. With those, you didn't have to mess with the skewer, and the QR 
operation was almost as quick as before. The worst had tabs attached to the 
skewers that engaged the rack/fender eyelets on the fork. Those required 
almost complete unthreading of the skewer before the wheel could be removed.

CJ

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Sarahlikebikes asked about the definition of "lawyer lips":
>
> Quick release front wheels were designed to release quickly.  You open the 
> lever and the wheel comes out.  For people who didn't know how to operate a 
> QR lever, it was the responsibility of the bike shop to instruct people how 
> to use them safely.  Not everybody learned and several people over the 
> years failed to install their wheel correctly and their wheel fell off 
> while they were riding, and went over the bars.  The CPSC eventually 
> mandated that the fork tips should have a raised ridge so the wheel 
> wouldn't fall out even if the QR isn't tight.  Once consequence is that 
> Quick releases are now slow releases.  You open the lever, and then unscrew 
> them several turns to clear that raised ridge.  We call them lawyer lips. 
>  Many of us who know how to use a QR and prefer them to be quick will grind 
> them off.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:07:49 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay, still learning the bike terms... but what are lawyer lips? Because 
>> the image that comes to mind is someone who has indulged in too much botox 
>> and fillers and I am sure that is not what we are talking about here...
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:48:57 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Bill,
>>>
>>> The frame and fork look great! Love being able to see the craftmanship 
>>> of the lugs and welds with out the paint in the way. It should be wonderful 
>>> to ride once it's done. As for "lawyer lips", I have to agree that they are 
>>> not my favorite. Lately my wife and I have been getting out for rides on 
>>> our 33 year old, custom built Rodriguez tandem, so pre-LL fork drop outs. 
>>> Just makes it so much easier to remove and install the front wheel. Hard to 
>>> believe that was the standard for so many years (I know why they are there, 
>>> no need for anyone to lecture the benefits of them).
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 3:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's threadless.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 12:31:27 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn, Bill! That's going to be a dream bike. Maybe you've already 
>>>>> covered this and I missed it, but I'm curious whether you went with a  
>>>>> threaded or threadless fork?
>>>>>
>>>>> Eamon
>>>>> Seattle
>>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 8:06:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the Flickr album where I will post my photos.  
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are several shots of the raw frame set in there now.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>>>>>>>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the 
>>>>>>> projects 
>>>>>>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
>>>>>>> them 
>>>>>>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 
&g

[RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[CJ]

Can you elaborate on "the chain skips"? A misaligned derailleur hanger will 
cause shifting to be sub-optimal, but unless the hanger is so bent that the 
derailleur is way, way out of whack, it can't make the chain skip. Skipping 
chains are caused by worn or damaged chains and/or cogs. Have you checked 
your cassette cogs for damage? Try a new chain and cassette? 

Another thing to check, are your dropouts aligned? Is the wheel still 
sitting straight in the frame? Dropout alignment tools are nice to have, 
but pricey and you shouldn't need them often. You can improvise with 
threaded rod and a handful of hardware. Google is your friend.

If you own multiple bikes, you should own a derailleur hanger alignment 
tool. I have an inexpensive "Cyclospirit" one, and it's paid for itself 
many times over. It's maybe a little more fiddly to use than an expensive, 
name-brand tool, but it works.

CJ


On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:20:22 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

Okay, some mild updates. 

I've bent and tweaked the hanger with crescent wrenches at least two dozen 
times now. Worked on it during the miserable heat wave here and during 
nicer weather yesterday. During the process I remove the chain and the 
derailer, tweak the hanger, re-install the chain and derailer, test ride. 
Repeat. Over and over! Every time I ride the bike the chain skips. 

I've tried aligning by hand and eye. I've used a series of straight edges, 
trying to reference off the cassette to the face of the derailer hanger 
where the derailer sits. I can get the straight edges into plane with one 
another but evidently that's not enough because the chain still jumps. 

I feel like I can finesse this thing back into working order but I have so 
far been unsuccessful. The hanger is relatively flat considering how 
mangled it got. It's considerably better than it was. The bolt hole is 
elongated but fortunately derailer bolts screw in nicely and the threads 
feel good. Through all my uninstalling/reinstalling the bolts thread in 
nicely each time. 

One problem is that the guys at the LBS have put their dropout and hanger 
alignment tools on the bike and they say the tools show things are aligned. 
*But* they are also audibly and visibly weary of putting too much torque on 
the hanger and seem to think it's going to shear off the frame if they look 
at it funny. I don't think that's going to happen. I talked to Grant about 
this twice now and he doesn't think that's going to happen, either. He 
shared an acedote wherein he bent a derailer hanger through 180º of motion 
several times before the hanger sheared off. I'm not moving mine nearly as 
much, just a bit at a time. And today I heard Grant Petersen say "Steel is 
magical." So I'm adding that to my lifetime book of memorable quotes by 
notable people. 

There's another shop in town but I get bad vibes every time I go in there 
so I'm going to spare myself and stay away. I know if I go in there it'll 
end up being a bad scene and I'll regret it. 

I'm open to having a builder try to align the hanger, heat it up and shape 
it or braze a new dropout onto the frame. But the builder I know and have 
worked with before on three other bikes (this Hillborne included) has sold 
his tools and retired. Two other nearby builders haven't returned my 
messages. 

Now I'm thinking the best next step is to drop > $100 on a derailer hanger 
alignment tool and try it myself in the home shop. Looking at the Park Tool 
DAG 2.2. This eliminates the hesitancy of other mechanics (I'm not afraid 
to wreck the bike) and gives me a useful tool to have forever. 

Full options going forward (as I see them, open to suggestions as always): 

   - Buy a gauge and adjust it myself until I'm satisfied or I give up and 
   advance to next option
   - Take it to a shop
  - Go-to shop seems afraid to break my hanger, I don't think that's 
  going to happen but they are audibly and visibly weary. 
  - Other shop in town I avoid at all costs and don't want to take my 
  bikes to them
   - Get a new dropout welded onto the bike
  - I wouldn't mind doing this but I can't find a builder in my area
  - Contacted three people. One retired, the other two haven't 
  responded. 
   - Send it to Rivendell
  - Grant thinks Mark or Antonio can fix the hanger. Cool!
  - Grant said to send the bike stripped down, no fork. How are they 
  going to align and test it to see if the chain jumps? 
  - I don't relly want to freight the bike coast-to-coast twice. 
  Not a dealbreaker, tho. 
  - Grant said if Mark or Antonio can't get it he knows a builder who 
  can do the repair but it could be three months before I get the bike back.
  - This leads me back to...
   - Buy a gauge and adjust it myself 

If you've made it this far, wow, you are invested in this repair! Thanks 
for checking in. I'll post more updates as they develop. 

On Wedn

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell in The Radavist

[CJ]

Thanks Steven! I'm really happy to have the Trek. When I found the Atlantis 
frameset, I expected that it would replace the Trek, but the Atlantis is 
gone, and the Trek is still in the stable!

CJ

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:03:03 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Chris, nice to see this bike again. Here is a recent addition that I like 
> more and more. 95 Trek 930 Steve
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:46 AM CJ  wrote:
>
>> For sure. Up here in the frozen wastes of Maine, my winter ride is a 1992 
>> Trek 950 "Atlantis style" bike. It has full fenders, upright bars and stem, 
>> and wears either Maxxis DTH or Nokian studded tires, depending upon how 
>> much ice I expect to encounter. Here it is with the non-studded tires in 
>> late winter:
>>
>> [image: i-bqL8WGm-X2.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6:43:26 PM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a cool video.
>>>
>>> It's a bit "idealized" in that the Atlantis is being ridden with snow on 
>>> the ground, but it doesn't have fenders.
>>> That's a setup for someone with a few bikes to choose from -- where 
>>> there's snow, there'll be salt, and water, and slush, most days in the 
>>> winter. Where I live, I could ride that setup maybe ten days between 
>>> Thanksgiving and the end of February.
>>>
>>> But it sure looks great -- Rivendell nailed the color on that bike.
>>> It just looks right, it's easily recognized, and even though it's just a 
>>> hair off the classic Celeste Bianchi, it's clearly its own thing. 
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:33:46 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lovely, lovely bike. That’s the era of Riv that first got me hooked! I 
>>>> would like to ride something from that era to compare it to my super huge 
>>>> 62cm MIT Atlantis.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:37:48 PM UTC-7 CJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> New article today in The Radavist featuring a classic Riv:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://theradavist.com/i-dont-want-anything-thats-fast-the-bikes-of-spencer-connell/
>>>>>
>>>>> This strikes a chord with me because I have a Surly Krampus, I used to 
>>>>> own a Toyo Atlantis just like that one, and like the article's subject, I 
>>>>> also have little interest in the recent long chainstay Rivendells.
>>>>>
>>>>> CJ
>>>>>
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[RBW] Rivendell in The Radavist

[CJ]

New article today in The Radavist featuring a classic Riv:

https://theradavist.com/i-dont-want-anything-thats-fast-the-bikes-of-spencer-connell/

This strikes a chord with me because I have a Surly Krampus, I used to own 
a Toyo Atlantis just like that one, and like the article's subject, I also 
have little interest in the recent long chainstay Rivendells.

CJ

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[CJ]

I've owned 5 different fat bikes over the last 10 years, and I love riding 
on snowy trails. In my opinion, you do not want long chainstays for that. 
Shorter chainstays make it easier to get traction and get up on top of the 
snow. Multiple time Iditabike winner, Mike Curiak, feels the same way 
, so I know 
I'm not alone in this opinion. If you want a four season fat bike, I'd 
recommend the Surly Wednesday. It rides great all year round, fits 4.6" 
tires for all but the deepest powder days, works great with 29x3" wheels, 
and doesn't have the super wide Q-factor of a full 5" tire fat bike. If you 
want max flotation, the Surly Ice Cream truck is a great choice with 
clearance for 5.05" Vee Snowshoe XL tires. 

Another thing, if you're in between sizes, you can size down for a more 
nimble ride (shorter front-center and overall wheelbase) or up for a more 
stable ride.

Chris

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:21:16 PM UTC-5 Joe D. wrote:

> Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on 
> picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride 
> characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long 
> wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).
>
> The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 
> inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with 
> studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in 
> addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, 
> I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d 
> love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail 
> use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for 
> a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year 
> off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now. 
>
> How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state 
> got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long  chain 
> stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo 
> bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling 
> my two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the 
> crazy long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally 
> manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my 
> bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back 
> bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves 
> chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.
>
> For reference, scroll down here (
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,)
>  
> and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, 
> both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, 
> consider these two models (
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,).
>  
> The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its 
> sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still 
> long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It 
> achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way 
> out front.
>
> Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay 
> length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a 
> more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with 
> the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.
>
> Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would get 
> me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality? Other 
> fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors other than 
> geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are very few 
> chromoly fat bikes.
>
> (Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a bike-nerdy 
> discussion)
>
> - Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[CJ]

Gabriel, beautiful bike! I have to ask the perennial question: what 
handlebar is that?

Chris

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-4 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Hey Reginald,
> Fellow Mountain rider and Nebraskan here!  Thanks for posting about your 
> ride report and the photo of your setup!  
>
> I wonder if there's something in the air around here, because I was also 
> recently thinking my Mountain needed some attention, and took it out of 
> storage.  It was sitting around without wheels, so I had the bright idea to 
> try a 650b conversion on it.  Fantastic!!! It is running BG Rock n Roads 
> 43mm, plenty of clearance in the frame, and handling actually feels 
> improved.  (Previous tire was RH Rat Trap Passes.)  
>
> I'm the 3rd owner of mine, and it came to me with similar drivetrain 
> components-- triple Logic cranks, XC short cage rear der, and Suntour 
> mountain front der. Those are the only original parts that remain on mine.  
> Are you the original owner of yours?  Thank you,
> -Gabe
> [image: Mountain1.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s the coolest! Love it’s mechanical features (matching 
>> suspensions!), and I’m glad to hear your mechanical was manageable.
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to use 
>>> the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike as 
>>> possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and the 
>>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
>>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
>>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
>>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
>>> miles of 42 back. 
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen: First Impressions

[CJ]

Erik,

Awesome build, and beautiful bike! Your Tumbleweed Persuader bar looks 
different than the one I have, do you have it rolled forward or something? 
It seems like it has some forward sweep. Did you or Riv measure your 
seatpost to see if it's undersized? Or is the seat tube opening oversized? 
It's really unusual that you'd have to knurl the seatpost to get it not to 
slip.

Chris


On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 2:00:32 AM UTC-4 Erik wrote:

> After a long wait, I was finally able to pick up my new Gus Boots Willsen 
> frame from Riv headquarters this past week.  As I've mentioned here before, 
> I purchased a large Susie from a list member last year knowing that I was 
> pushing the intended weight envelope.  The bike was beautiful, but I 
> decided that I would try to pick up a Gus for the stouter tubing and 11/8 
> steering tube.  I wanted to be able to load the thing up and take it on 
> multi-day camping trips as well as tackle the roughest trails in my neck of 
> the woods.   
>
> I have been a mountain biker for most of my life,  since I started riding 
> back in the late 80s, and wanted a bike to replace what I knew would be my 
> last full-suspension beast, a lovely Salsa Horsethief.  I sold the Salsa 
> last year after deciding that I was starting to prefer the simplicity and 
> fun of a rigid bike.  I had my Atlantis set up as a mountain-ish / 
> hillibike with 2.2 Trail King tires and Bullmoose bars.  I was riding that 
> bike on most of my local trails but wanted a bike that could handle much 
> larger tires and was more purpose-built for heavier off-road duty. 
>
> First Impression: so worth the wait!  I've got the bike set up with my 
> dream build, a mix of White Industries hubs/ Cliffhanger wheels built by 
> Rich, Paul Motolite brakes and Box Car stem, White Industries 1x crank set, 
> Garbaruk 11-50t cassette, Tumbleweed Persuader bars, Terravail 2.5 tires, 
> and more.  I've taken the bike out for a couple of rides since I completed 
> the build on Saturday and am finding it perfectly suited to the sort of 
> riding I lean toward.  
>
> I live in the Napa Valley and took it out to Moore Creek Park near St. 
> Helena on Sunday.  The trails in the lower part of the park are newer, with 
> some really smooth sections, and are beautifully carved into the topography 
> of the hills.  There's even a short flow trail section.  The Gus was really 
> happy on all of this terrain.  I don't do jumps anymore, but the banked 
> turns and rollers on the flow trail were a blast on the bike!  Despite the 
> size and length of the bike, it handled really nicely on all of the 
> singletrack. Maybe not as snappy as some of my old aggressive geometry 
> mountain bikes, but consistent with a 29" wheeled bike.  It felt smooth and 
> stable.  I think some of this is down to the wheelbase and some to the 
> high-ish trail steering.  Whatever the case, it's beautifully balanced and 
> rides like water flowing downstream.  Unfortunately, I had a problem with 
> my seat post not wanting to stay put. In my haste to get it fixed on the 
> trailside, I broke the seat post binder bolt and had to finish out the ride 
> not using my seat.  Great leg exercise, but not a good way to test out the 
> handling characteristics of the bike.  :)
>
> This evening I took it out to Skyline Park in Napa where they held World 
> Cup races back in the 90s and single speed world championships more 
> recently.  I remember watching in awe as Tinker Juarez, Thomas 
> Frischknecht, Paola Pezzo, and all of the 90s XC stars climbed the trails 
> in massive gears at unbelievable speeds during the world cup races.  I 
> hadn't realized it was possible to go that fast uphill on those trails!  I 
> certainly didn't set any land speed records tonight or even come close to 
> World Cup speeds, but was able to get the bike out onto some really rough, 
> rocky, technical terrain and put it through its paces.  I was surprised at 
> how easily I climbed some of the toughest sections in the first mile 
> between the western entrance by Napa Valley College and the main part of 
> the park.  That 1.5-mile stretch is really rough and really fun.  Some 
> shots are below.  I walked one very technical section in particular but was 
> able to climb and ride everything else with ease and enjoyed myself 
> immensely.  The Paul brakes and dialed in perfectly and give me incredible 
> control. 
>
> The bike handled moderate speeds on trails with lots of ruts and 
> coconut-sized rocks.  without any trouble.  It tracked really nicely and 
> stayed on my intended lines climbing and descending.  The only limitations 
> were my lungs and nerves.  I  ride a bit slower and more carefully without 
> suspension but it's just as fun and is a great mental exercise, like 
> putting together a big spatial puzzle as I decide what the bike is capable 
> of riding over or between.  
>
> So, just a couple of rides, but it's exactly what I hoped for.  Just 
> 

[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

[CJ]

Dave, thanks for the insight. I would have expected the opposite, as the 
Atlantis has a 1 degree slacker head tube angle. It does have a shorter 
effective top tube, so that may have a greater effect.

The biggest question for me is if the 53cm Atlantis would have toe overlap 
with fat tires or fenders. For an off-pavement bicycle, toe overlap is a 
deal breaker for me.

In the end, I talked myself out of the Atlantis. For now, haha. I do see 
that there are some 53s still available...

Chris


On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:55:41 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I have both a 52cm Clem H and a 53cm Atlantis (v.3). While they share the 
> long wheelbase and relaxed geometry, they're very different bikes. The Clem 
> leans heavily toward an mid-80s MTB, but with greater stability and 
> comfort. The Atlantis "feels" more nimble and better suited to all-a-round 
> riding. I use both for commuting, but I'd choose the Atlantis as my touring 
> rig and use the Clem H for off-road adventuring.
> Regarding wheels, I built up Velocity Cliffhangers for both bikes.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 6:19:30 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>
>> PS: I should have written "piqued my interest", not "peaked...". No 
>> excuse for that one
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>>
>>> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
>>> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
>>> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
>>> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
>>> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
>>> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
>>> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
>>> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
>>> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
>>> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
>>> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
>>> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
>>> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
>>> some of them into the wild.
>>>
>>> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
>>> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is 
>>> the only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
>>> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

[CJ]

PS: I should have written "piqued my interest", not "peaked...". No excuse 
for that one

Chris

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:

> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
> some of them into the wild.
>
> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>
> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

[CJ]

I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
some of them into the wild.

Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 

Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Cheap fenders killed my bike.

[CJ]

Joe,

Sorry to hear that you got a damaged frame. I'm not a mechanical engineer, 
but I can envision the forces in a front-end collision bending the headtube 
around the lower top tube, resulting in the "banana" effect. Just an 
anecdote, but I was in a local bike shop last summer, and they had an old 
Schwinn LeTour (I think?) on a repair stand, and the fork was bent so badly 
the front wheel was almost touching the down tube. I was curious if they 
were going to try to straighten the fork or source a replacement, so I 
struck up a conversation with one of the shop employees about it, and he 
replied something like "oh, no it just needs a new front wheel". I told him 
to look at the fork, it was clearly bent below the crown. He gathered some 
other mechanics to look at it, and they agreed. Somehow, they missed that 
when taking the repair job on. Long story to say, even a shop mechanic can 
miss something that is as seemingly obvious as a bent frame or fork.

Good luck with your bike, I hope you can get it on the road again!

Chris


On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:24:33 PM UTC-4 johanne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Brendon, and everyone else,
>
> Do you still have this bike? I am curious to know how it is riding these 
> day. Did you ever run into any issues with the headset binding since the 
> steer tube is still bent? Turns out I am in the same predicament, and I am 
> trying to figure out what to do. My head tube is banana-ed just like yours, 
> and the down tube is bowed by just about the same amount.
>
> Here's the story: 
> I bought a used mustard double top tube Appaloosa from a guy in 
> Sacramento, 62cm. It has a lot of top of the line parts, some some chips, 
> and the price was right. The guy assured me that the frame was good to go. 
> Apparently he was even a bike mechanic for a while. He was a really nice 
> guy. I didn't notice anything weird when I did a few laps on it in the 
> parking lot, but I think I was just giddy about getting the bike. I took it 
> on a real ride the next day, and realized the ride characteristics were odd 
> - the bike seemed to lean to and favor the left side. It would hardly lean 
> into right turns at all, and I really had to leverage the bars to get it to 
> go that way. It seemed to wonder a bit below me as I rode and would not 
> track properly. On sharp right hand turns in loose dirt or sand, the wheel 
> would turn right, but the bike would try to keep going straight creating a 
> very sketchy sensation. I am not convinced the guy withheld info about the 
> damage, but I have a hard time believing he was ignorant to it. I always 
> try to assume positive intent - I am still trying to do that - but man...
>
> Soon after, I notice the the rear hub is 130mm, and the frame is spaced to 
> 135mm. It also appeared that the front wheel was a few mm off center in the 
> fork. Wishfully, I convinced myself that the wheels needed to be spaced 
> properly and dished. Rich Lesnik of Hands on Wheels is in the neighborhood, 
> and he had the White Industries spacer that I needed for the rear wheel. I 
> brought them to him and he spaced and dished the rear wheel for me for $50 
> bucks. Thanks Rich! He took a look at the front wheel and said it was 
> straight. That ruled that out. 
>
> After a few rides of thinking that I might be crazy, I decided to take the 
> fork off the bike and give it a good once over. I put it on the kitchen 
> table and sure enough, it was outta wack. It is pretty obvious now that the 
> bike had been in a front end collision at one point. The headset bearing 
> race on the fork is gouged, too, in a way that I can only imagine would 
> happen in an impact.
>
> Today I stripped all of the parts off of the frame. I held a straight edge 
> up to the head tube and down tube, and sure enough, they are both bowed. 
> The damage to my frame looks identical to the damage on Brendons, which is 
> bizarre. It seems like it is pretty rare to bend a head tube. What is even 
> weirder is I don't think the steer tube on my fork is bent at all. All of 
> the bend is at the blades, both laterally and fore and aft. I am like 94% 
> sure of that. The headset doesn't seem to be binding at all, which I 
> understand can happen when things there get misaligned. 
>
> Anyways, I am pretty bummed. This is the most $$ I have ever spent on a 
> bike, and most of the research I have done says that a bent head tube means 
> game over. Your story makes me hopeful that It can be salvaged. I am 
> obviously pretty eager for a solution. Or at least a hug. Eric Billings in 
> Oakland is going to take a look at it tomorrow, but he isn't sure yet if 
> the bent head tube is repairable. I have reached out to Bernie Mikkelsen 
> and Ed Litton as well, but have not hear back yet. 
>
> Any advice out there? and Miraculous solutions? Olly olly oxen free!
>
> TLDR: Frame real broke in same way as above. Need help. 
>
> Thanks,
> Joe in SF
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 

[RBW] Re: Post dynamo, keep the old front wheel?

[CJ Arayata]

I'd keep it just in case you sell off a bike and would (I'd assume) want to 
keep the dynamo wheel. Easier than scrounging up a wheel later on that is a 
mismatch to the rear wheel

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> I've now moved my only 700c bikes to dynamo wheels, and have 2 perfectly 
> good 700c non dynamo wheels hanging in the garage. Aside from other builds 
> and hypotheticals, is there any real reason to keep these around? Like a 
> type of ride or riding where I wouldn't want a dynamo set up? 

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[RBW] Re: Getting a bike brake light.

[CJ Arayata]

I have heard from multiple people I've ridden with on brevets that my 
Toplight Line Brake+ works great for night segments of rides. I usually 
lead down descents and it is helpful for them to know when/where to slow 
down.

Wish there was a fender-mount version, though!

-CJ, Philadelphia

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 1:17:11 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Sigma makes one that lights up when you hit the rear brake. I wonder if 
> drivers and cyclists will understand that it is a brake light and indicates 
> that the cyclist is braking. I'd think it good to still call out and hand 
> signal until bike brake lights become ubiquitous, if they eventually do.
>
> I remember once taking the lane and having to ride the brake and thinking 
> that the driver behind me had no way of knowing I'm slowing other than 
> depth perception and that a brake light woukd be useful. Not that that 
> situation happens much at all.
>
> It attaches to the brake cable just above the sidepull calipers and wedges 
> up against the adjuster barrel. When you hit the brake it raises the cable, 
> causing the light unit to hit against the barrel, bending the light casing 
> at a hinge and  turning on the light until you release the brake.
> Something like that.
>
> Of course, I use a front bag so no cover up from rear rack or bag. I 
> already have a rear light but thought Id put another light on.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Luxos U or Edelux?

[CJ Arayata]

I have the Edelux II; chosen because I liked the aluminum housing/glass 
lens vs. the plastic of the Luxos models. I don't really mind the lack of 
charger on the Luxos U because I am normally close enough to civilization. 
I have also seen others' Luxos models and the wiring out of the back looks 
somewhat messy... The Edelux/Edelux II are cleaner in this regard.

If you can wait, looks like B is coming out with a new model that 
addresses some of the shortcomings of previous lights: The 100 lux IQ-X. (I 
thought I saw a thread for it around somewhere but cannot seem to find).

http://www.eurobike-show.com/eb-en/press/exhibitors-releases-detail.php?BenutzerID=724=2101=detail
http://www.bumm.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Katalog/B_M__Catalogue_2015_16__English.pdf

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 8:20:51 PM UTC-4, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> It'a getting to be that time of year that I can no longer make due without 
> a full-powered light. I had the front wheel on my Hillborne built with a 
> Shimano dyno hub, and I am now in a position to afford a light to complete 
> the set-up. I know lots has been written about these two lights, but I'm 
> interested in hearing some up-to-date reports.
>
> Which would you recommend?
>

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