Re: [RBW] Lovely Blue Riv Custom

[E. Ricky Creek]

It has one of those new OEM Brooks B-68s. Jealous 

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 5:36:24 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> The external dyno wiring on such an expensive build looks... wrong.
>
> Eric
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 1:10 PM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Worth a look. The 2 Marks and Joe Bell have worked their usual magic.
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/joshs-rivendell-custom?mc_cid=d5e44cc458_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>>
>> I wonder if the custom program will ever return. I know Riv says it's a 
>> huge time and money sink, but I love seeing what people order for their 
>> customs and ogling the fine craftsmanship on display. Josh, whoever he is, 
>> must be thrilled after what was apparently a lengthy wait. But the result 
>> was worth it, judging by the pictures. 
>>
>> Just sayin'
>>
>> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] WTB - John’s Strap

[E. Ricky Creek]

John's straps are the same as the classic Arno straps. If you don't need 
the rainbow version, you can get them in black for cheap by the pair at 
scamazon or wherever. I used to be able to get them at my Ace Hardware. 

https://www.coghlans.com/arno-straps-24-7-2-pack-8424



On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:05:51 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I use Rok Straps a lot on my cargo bike to secure loads. They stretch 
> nicely and cinch down securely. I’ve never had one slip. They come in a 
> variety of sizes and are relatively cheap. You can get them with reflective 
> thread which is nice at night.
>
> I believe they were developed for motorcycle use so perfect on a bicycle 
> as well.
>
> [image: 
> 61eyLz1m9EL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFIVE,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA1%2C263,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>
> ROK Straps ROK-10358 Black/Reflective 12" - 42" Pack Adjustable Stretch 
> Strap 
> 
> amazon.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 20, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
>
> I’m fed up with not having a few good straps around for maintenance and 
> securing cargo.
>
> Does anyone have any John’s straps in irish or watermelon to spare?
>
> I would love to purchase a couple if they are out there. 
>
> Also, if anyone has other strap recommendations or favorite solutions, I 
> would love to hear your thoughts.
>
> Thanks!
> K.
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[E. Ricky Creek]

The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
different. Also, it might not be Indiana.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these 
> two models. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: 1400 Derailers

[E. Ricky Creek]

Well, these seem to be in stock again. Maybe they showed up with the Rosco 
Plats? 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:10:27 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Bill! I was just going to order it to have, so I’m sure someone 
> needs it more than me. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If either of you are desperate for one, let me know.  I bought a huge 
>> bike box from Riv to prepare a shipment, ended up not using the box and 
>> returned it to Rivendell.  Rather than make them go through the hassle of a 
>> refund for what was my issue, I bought one of the skeleton key front 
>> derailers for my own inventory.  I don't desperately need it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:16:39 AM UTC-7 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently Riv has sold out of 1400 of their stubby front derailers. I 
>>> know that isn't true. I'm sure they ordered that number and they will be 
>>> coming in shipments and some are held back for builds, but I was bummed to 
>>> see that they are sold out. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] 1400 Derailers

[E. Ricky Creek]

Apparently Riv has sold out of 1400 of their stubby front derailers. I know 
that isn't true. I'm sure they ordered that number and they will be coming 
in shipments and some are held back for builds, but I was bummed to see 
that they are sold out. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large

[E. Ricky Creek]

And Sold!

On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 12:42:12 PM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> Bag is pending. 
> Eric, it needs a rack to work. The bag is huge. The distance between the 
> rack and the saddle is flexible. If the distance is low then the front 
> scrunches up, but it still works fine. Unlike a large Carradice that will 
> side sag if it doesn't have enough clearance, this one works fine even 
> scrunched. I use this model of bag for all my touring along with a 
> handlebar bag. I have done 3 weeks with that setup and nothing else. 
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 12:37:00 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>
>> PM sent - (I thought I posted this earlier, but it didn't go through.)
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 11:57:16 AM UTC-5 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a nice looking bag. How much clearance do you need from seat to 
>>> tire?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 10:39 AM E. Ricky Creek  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bump.
>>>>
>>>> $150 shipped. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Link to pictures: 
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:50:06 AM UTC-5 Scott Lutz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Link to pictures: 
>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:41:30 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an almost brand new large Saddle Sack. This is likely from 
>>>>>>> the 3rd run. I bought two at the same time to safeguard against the 
>>>>>>> future, 
>>>>>>> but my first one from 2011 is still my main commuter bag and I honestly 
>>>>>>> don't see it ever falling apart (though it looks really beat), so I am 
>>>>>>> selling this one. I mounted it a couple of times, maybe rode with it 
>>>>>>> twice, 
>>>>>>> and then moved it around the garage for a few years. It has two grease 
>>>>>>> spots and the saddle mounting leather shows a tiny bit of creasing from 
>>>>>>> being mounted. The plastic stiffener inside is spotless and the 
>>>>>>> underside 
>>>>>>> is the same. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is gray. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about 170 bucks shipped? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Photos to follow. I am having mega tech issues with photos across 
>>>>>>> all things at the moment. 
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large

[E. Ricky Creek]

Bag is pending. 
Eric, it needs a rack to work. The bag is huge. The distance between the 
rack and the saddle is flexible. If the distance is low then the front 
scrunches up, but it still works fine. Unlike a large Carradice that will 
side sag if it doesn't have enough clearance, this one works fine even 
scrunched. I use this model of bag for all my touring along with a 
handlebar bag. I have done 3 weeks with that setup and nothing else. 

On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 12:37:00 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> PM sent - (I thought I posted this earlier, but it didn't go through.)
>
> Adam
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 11:57:16 AM UTC-5 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That's a nice looking bag. How much clearance do you need from seat to 
>> tire?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 10:39 AM E. Ricky Creek  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bump.
>>>
>>> $150 shipped. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>
>>>> Link to pictures: 
>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:50:06 AM UTC-5 Scott Lutz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Link to pictures: 
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:41:30 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an almost brand new large Saddle Sack. This is likely from the 
>>>>>> 3rd run. I bought two at the same time to safeguard against the future, 
>>>>>> but 
>>>>>> my first one from 2011 is still my main commuter bag and I honestly 
>>>>>> don't 
>>>>>> see it ever falling apart (though it looks really beat), so I am selling 
>>>>>> this one. I mounted it a couple of times, maybe rode with it twice, and 
>>>>>> then moved it around the garage for a few years. It has two grease spots 
>>>>>> and the saddle mounting leather shows a tiny bit of creasing from being 
>>>>>> mounted. The plastic stiffener inside is spotless and the underside is 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> same. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is gray. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about 170 bucks shipped? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photos to follow. I am having mega tech issues with photos across all 
>>>>>> things at the moment. 
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large

[E. Ricky Creek]

Bump.

$150 shipped. 

On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> Link to pictures: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:50:06 AM UTC-5 Scott Lutz wrote:
>
>> Link to pictures: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing
>
>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:41:30 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> I have an almost brand new large Saddle Sack. This is likely from the 
>>> 3rd run. I bought two at the same time to safeguard against the future, but 
>>> my first one from 2011 is still my main commuter bag and I honestly don't 
>>> see it ever falling apart (though it looks really beat), so I am selling 
>>> this one. I mounted it a couple of times, maybe rode with it twice, and 
>>> then moved it around the garage for a few years. It has two grease spots 
>>> and the saddle mounting leather shows a tiny bit of creasing from being 
>>> mounted. The plastic stiffener inside is spotless and the underside is the 
>>> same. 
>>>
>>> It is gray. 
>>>
>>> How about 170 bucks shipped? 
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Photos to follow. I am having mega tech issues with photos across all 
>>> things at the moment. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large

[E. Ricky Creek]

Link to pictures: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing

On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:50:06 AM UTC-5 Scott Lutz wrote:

> Link to pictures: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/101J-pfoZ6t9HhmYfH_ZQ6FT6cXScr8aE?usp=sharing
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:41:30 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> I have an almost brand new large Saddle Sack. This is likely from the 3rd 
>> run. I bought two at the same time to safeguard against the future, but my 
>> first one from 2011 is still my main commuter bag and I honestly don't see 
>> it ever falling apart (though it looks really beat), so I am selling this 
>> one. I mounted it a couple of times, maybe rode with it twice, and then 
>> moved it around the garage for a few years. It has two grease spots and the 
>> saddle mounting leather shows a tiny bit of creasing from being mounted. 
>> The plastic stiffener inside is spotless and the underside is the same. 
>>
>> It is gray. 
>>
>> How about 170 bucks shipped? 
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Photos to follow. I am having mega tech issues with photos across all 
>> things at the moment. 
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large

[E. Ricky Creek]

I have an almost brand new large Saddle Sack. This is likely from the 3rd 
run. I bought two at the same time to safeguard against the future, but my 
first one from 2011 is still my main commuter bag and I honestly don't see 
it ever falling apart (though it looks really beat), so I am selling this 
one. I mounted it a couple of times, maybe rode with it twice, and then 
moved it around the garage for a few years. It has two grease spots and the 
saddle mounting leather shows a tiny bit of creasing from being mounted. 
The plastic stiffener inside is spotless and the underside is the same. 

It is gray. 

How about 170 bucks shipped? 

Scott

Photos to follow. I am having mega tech issues with photos across all 
things at the moment. 

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[RBW] Re: The confounding politics of camping

[E. Ricky Creek]

My wife and I used hipcamp.com this past summer with good results.

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:02:15 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Here's a very interesting article about camping I just read:
>
>
> https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-confounding-politics-of-camping-in-america
>
> This summer we are struggling to book a campsite for a week - all are sold 
> out 6 months in advance. In the past, I would always just show up and be 
> offered a small spot.
>
> Michael
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 1400 front derailers

[E. Ricky Creek]

It is probably some version of the IRD sub compact. 

My last apartment had a side door that took a skeleton key. I had a box of 
old keys and one worked on that door. I found another similar key and filed 
it down to work, too. So that became the door we always used, because why 
wouldn't I? This was just a few years ago. 

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> The reference of a "skeleton key" derailleur is a figure of speech, 
> dontcha know ?  
> You betcha it is .
> Referring to "one derailleur suitable for everything" . like a master 
> key to open any lock, so to speak. The "everything" in this case refers to 
> the bikes Riv designs, contracts, and configures for customers. 
>
> I emailed Grant a while ago about FD's and he mentioned the incoming FD 
> was a model that they had sold before, that took 48-50 tooth rings. So if 
> anyone has a good memory or archive it would reveal itself. So no, it won't 
> be some odd doohickey to move the chain around !
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:53:31 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It's probably an actual skeleton key similar to the stick shift method 
>> they used to espouse.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 2:24 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not sure if I missed it but does anyone know what these derailleurs 
>>> look like?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joe in Los Angeles
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I find front derailleurs tedious to setup, and I rarely *need* them.  
>>> Advent X is the best solution in my opinion.  But I also live in th second 
>>> flattest state.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:07:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 On the March 18th email update, Rivendell reported that the container 
 full of frames would also contain *1400 Front Derailers*.  They 
 indicated this model will work with all their bikes, but they didn't say 
 exactly what it is, giving it the nickname "skeleton key".  I wonder how 
 much space 1,400 front derailers will take up.  

 For those who don't know what's special about "Rivendell Front 
 Derailers", it's a combination of a few things:

 1. Rivendells typically have a bit more BB drop than most other bikes
 2. Rivendell builds often have a small-sized "big" chainring.  Like a 
 42 big ring, or a 38, or a 34!
 3. Rivendells typically have a more laid back Seat Tube Angle than most 
 other bikes

 the combination of those three things brings the trailing edge of the 
 front derailer down close to the chainstays.  So close, that in many cases 
 you flat out can't set up the front derailer "correctly".  You have to run 
 it floating way above the chainrings.  For a lot of people, this works 
 just 
 fine, and some people actually brag about it.  When somebody claims that 
 Combination X is a problem, it's fun to retort "I have Combination X and 
 it's just fine!"  

 Anyhow, 650B bikes have less of this problem (because less BB drop).  
 Still, it's something to think about.  I prepared by stocking up on 
 Shimano 
 CX70 Front Derailers when they existed, and now I'm super stingy with 
 those.  I'm going to give the "skeleton key" FD a look and may buy a few 
 of 
 those also.  As an amateur machinist and maker, I've even dabbled with 
 making my own Front Derailers.  

 Or, you can avoid this altogether and run a 1xDrivetrain!

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Clem chain/fender interference

[E. Ricky Creek]

I had this issue on my Clem. I used a pocket knife to make the notch. It 
took two minutes.

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:58:40 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I used a milling bit in a dremel tool.  This is the best pic I can find, 
> but hopefully helps.  Just took a moment, didn't affect rigidity/integrity 
> of fender at all, and was able to locate it precisely as needed.
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:01:06 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> +1. It's not hard to do. In fact, some wide Planet Bike and SKS fenders 
>> come pre-cut. 
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 11:40 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>>> From the Riv website for SKS fenders:
>>>
>>> Most of the time these fenders fit without modification, but sometimes 
>>> the fit is imperfect and they need home-surgery to clear a front derailer 
>>> or chainstay or seatstay. Use side-cutters or snips of some sort to cut 
>>> away the interferering plastic, then dremel or hand file the rough edge 
>>> smooth. Add tough tape to cover it or leave it raw.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:40 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> One of my big regrets of my Clem is not paying Riv the $40 or $50 they 
>>> wanted to install the fenders.  Instead, they just arrived in the box.  
>>> After a particularly cold rainy ride a couple of years ago, I finally 
>>> installed them.
>>>
>>> Now it seems I cannot adjust out the tendency of the chain to rub the 
>>> fender.  They've always rubbed when I use the 34 in the back and the next 
>>> lowest gear as well.  After the bike's only trip ever to the shop this 
>>> month to diagnose a dragging freehub which has since been replaced, the 
>>> chain is rubbing worse than ever in the lower gears, and the front small 
>>> ring is about impossible.
>>>
>>> I'm feeling like I want to take my Dremel to the fender and trim back a 
>>> quarter inch or so.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW model (current or former) is best for light touring?

[E. Ricky Creek]

I replaced, sort of, my 2005 Surly LHT with a 2011 Waterford Canti-Sam. I 
rode up and down the West coast and then across the USA on the Surly. I got 
the Sam as a Country Bike to complement the LHT (this was to remain my 
loaded touring bike).
The Sam ended up being my dedicated touring bike almost right away. It 
handles whatever sized loads just fine and is significantly stiffer in the 
BB, which is important to me as a heavy rider. I have done some 2 day tours 
and some 2 week+ tours on the Sam and the only thing I noticed was some 
front end wiggle on descents, fixed with setup adjustments. 
Then in 2017 I finally got my dream bike, a Waterford Atlantis, which is 
now my touring, etc. bike, but the Sam really can't be beat and I wouldn't 
hesitate to ride it on any length tour shy of full off-road touring. 
The LHT has been a frame and fork hanging in my garage for years now. I 
don't imagine I'll do anything with it, but I have so many memories with it 
that maybe someday...
For what it is worth, my wife has an Appaloosa, and it is awesome! But I 
would consider it more of a long WB, long TT Atlantis type bicycle. Not my 
thing, but she loves it. It is stout as F*$K!  
On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:05:02 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think the Sam is a perfect fit for your wants. I’ve never ridden an 
> Atlantis or a Joe but my Sam is one of the nicest bikes I’ve ever ridden 
> and it can easily do all the things you want and it’s lighter than an 
> Atlantis or Joe. 
>
> Mine is a newer version 54cm. I have an 85 PBH and it’s a perfect fit. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> On Mar 31, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> You need to look at PBH sizing and effective toptube numbers to find your 
> size in Sam and Homer, the seattubes will now be in the 51cm range for you. 
> Great bikes which will cover your needs well, plus I would consider the 
> Platypus if you want low stepover and canti/v-brakes in a road-ish frame. 
>
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 9:25:00 AM UTC-7 Forrest wrote:
>
>> I’ve been looking at various RBW models, current and former, trying to 
>> find one well-suited to light touring (2-4 days light camping) and/or 
>> credit-card touring. Something that also is suitable for group/club 
>> non-competitive road/pavement rides. 
>>
>> Something lighter than an Atlantis or Joe Appaloosa. Maybe more like a 
>> Sam Hillborne or A. Homer Hilsen. Canti or V brakes would be okay (but 
>> maybe not necessary), and sidepulls would be fine for my purposes, I think. 
>>
>> I know new models of Sam and Homer are not available in my size (55 and 
>> 54.5). So may look at used, or early-generation models of the AHH. 
>>
>> Thoughts and advice welcome, thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Show me your derailleur stash

[E. Ricky Creek]

These are all really cool when seen together like this. I have been curious 
to try and old Campy derailleur with the Soma adapter cage. 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/soma-derailleur-cage-threaded-set-2790?category=764
Has anyone tried that and was it a keeper or just an oddity?
I honestly probably won't ever stray from the Altus 310 for the rest of my 
bike life. I stocked up early in the pandemic and have recently been buying 
the replacement pulleys, too, so I am set. 
Now for front derailleurs...

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 9:07:27 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I have been going through all of my various boxes, toolboxes, etc. and 
> getting all of my various parts organized. Decided to get all of my 
> derailleurs together. On top are the New-In-Box Dura Ace 7700 GS and the 
> Campagnolo Rally (version 1a with the reinforced hanger). Below the Dura 
> Ace is a Dura Ace variant, the LeTour Schwinn Approved GT-350. This was a 
> rebadged Shimano Crane GS which was what you got with a Dura Ace Touring 
> Group. This is what came on a Schwinn Paramount P-15 instead of Campagnolo, 
> because in Schwinn's evaluation it shifter better, which it did. This was 
> the beginning of the end for Campagnolo's dominance and the start of the 
> acceptance of Japanese parts at the top levels. The Rally was Campagnolo's 
> response, their first dropped parallelogram derailleur and the best 
> shifting Campagnolo derailleur of the Nuovo Record era. But none of these 
> shifted as well as a Suntour slant parallelogram which was still under 
> patent at the time. Then there are of course, front and rear Campagnolo 
> Nuovo Record derailleurs, because in the seventies, if your bike didn't 
> have Campagnolo, you weren't s**t. There is even a mostly plastic Simplex 
> Criterium spare for my Gitane in there. An ultra-compact RX100 FD, an 
> all-silver Sora.
>
> [image: DerailleursS.jpg]
>
> I know there are other hoarders, uh - I mean collectors, out there.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
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[RBW] Re: Which swept back bars for a Hillborne?

[E. Ricky Creek]

Chocomoose!!!


On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

> [image: 35DF0035-F6A0-49C3-BB9B-463FC58E96E2.jpeg]These are them on my 
> new to me Saluki.  I put them on both bikes. 
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:09:28 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [image: 08D383C3-5CC3-42D6-844A-873D524C1A5A.jpeg]
>> I’m using Choco bars now after using Albatross for years.  I like the 
>> Choco bars more. 
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:59:43 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I originally set up my Hillborne with Nitto B115s years ago with aTallux 
>>> 100mm stem.  Fairly quickly switched to Albatross bars on the same stem.  
>>> Have had them on the bike for 6 years.  This past year I switched over to 
>>> Choco bars and a 110mm FacePlater stem (to make up for the loss in rise 
>>> going from the Albas to the Chocos.  I loved the look of the Albas and 
>>> can't beat the fact that the bike can be turned upside down on the bars and 
>>> saddle for tire changes and such.  I run the Chocos inverted as I like the 
>>> angle it places my wrists in. My favorite hand position on the bars is at 
>>> or just forward of the brake levers, and with the Chocos, there is a bit 
>>> more room just forward of the brake levers and the curve of the bars.  I 
>>> originally set up my Disc Trucker this way when I built it up last August 
>>> and liked it so much I decided to run the same bars on the Hillborne.  Here 
>>> is a picture of the arrangement.  Only difference for the Hillborne is the 
>>> stem.  The foam covering I use affords a multitude of hand positions.
>>>
>>> [image: DSCF0067 copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:28:50 AM UTC-8 Erik Wright wrote:
>>>
 IMO it's hard to beat the look and feel of the Albatross. I've set up 
 my Sam with something like 6-7 different bars at this point; started with 
 the Albatross and finally came back around to that setup a few months 
 back. 
 It seems like most newer bars that Riv makes come back extra far to 
 complement the longer reach of their newer models. Since the Albatross 
 predates those bikes I think they strike a nice balance when coming from 
 drops. I think something like +2cm on a stem will keep the fit/feel from 
 popping you too upright if you're used to Noodles. I have an 11cm stem and 
 have considered a 12, but since it's pretty fine as-is I haven't bothered 
 with the swap.

 Shifter choice might also play into your decision. I have Microshift 
 thumbies flipped inboard which sorta takes away the "in between" hand 
 position because it clogs up the bars a bit. This is less of an issue on a 
 bar like Chocos because they have additional sweep. If you run bar ends, 
 you get that extra 2ish cm of sweep from the bar end pods and also get to 
 keep the "in between" position. I've been thinking about moving to stem 
 shifters or moving the thumbies up next to the stem in the forward-most 
 hand position.

 Erik, Philly

 On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> You will want a longer stem to move to sweptback.  How much longer 
> depends on which bars you choose. Unless you want to move to albastache 
> in 
> which case you can keep everything your noodles have. I like to go with a 
> shorter stem when moving from drops to albastache.  For conventional 
> sweptback my suggestion for first sweptback from drops is choco or losco. 
>  
> But it's really a preference thing and hinges on how upright you want to 
> be.
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:39:36 AM UTC-5 rcr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got a Hillborne which I've always used with noodle bars, but 
>> want to convert it to upright swept back bars.  Anybody else made a 
>> similar 
>> conversion, and which bars did you get?  Should I get a new stem?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Some wool

[E. Ricky Creek]

All items claimed. 
On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:39:26 PM UTC-6 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> Rivendell wool beanie has been claimed. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:24:18 PM UTC-6 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> I have a few things to pass along. 
>> Link to Pictures 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HDi1DzVQuasfh5DbHStUeGQkBhQTjgRy?usp=sharing>
>>
>> First is a Stormy Kromer hat in Partridge Plaid. Size is 7 3/8. I never 
>> took to this style of cap in practice, but I like the idea of them. Some 
>> wear, but not a ton. $25 shipped. 
>>
>> Next is a red Rivendell possum wool beanie. I bought this for my partner, 
>> but her skin is too sensitive and gets itchy. Worn a couple of times around 
>> the house, maybe once to work. My receipt says the color is Pumpkin. $20 
>> shipped
>>
>> Last is a pair of Swobo merino wool polo shirts. I LOVED Swobo! They had 
>> such cool stuff. I wore a pair of these shirts as my only tops across the 
>> whole USA. I lost one in Idaho and went the rest of the trip with one and a 
>> free Adventure Cycling shirt. I bought these as the company was closing 
>> down, but the colors were too light and my nipples showed too much and I 
>> was self-conscious about it. One still has the tag, the other was worn 
>> briefly, both are wrinkly from being in a box. There is a tiny little run 
>> on the back tail area of the one without tags. Both are XXL's, made in 
>> Fiji. The thickness is about the same as the current Riv wool tops from 
>> Australia. $50 for the pair shipped. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Some wool

[E. Ricky Creek]

Rivendell wool beanie has been claimed. 

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:24:18 PM UTC-6 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> I have a few things to pass along. 
> Link to Pictures 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HDi1DzVQuasfh5DbHStUeGQkBhQTjgRy?usp=sharing>
>
> First is a Stormy Kromer hat in Partridge Plaid. Size is 7 3/8. I never 
> took to this style of cap in practice, but I like the idea of them. Some 
> wear, but not a ton. $25 shipped. 
>
> Next is a red Rivendell possum wool beanie. I bought this for my partner, 
> but her skin is too sensitive and gets itchy. Worn a couple of times around 
> the house, maybe once to work. My receipt says the color is Pumpkin. $20 
> shipped
>
> Last is a pair of Swobo merino wool polo shirts. I LOVED Swobo! They had 
> such cool stuff. I wore a pair of these shirts as my only tops across the 
> whole USA. I lost one in Idaho and went the rest of the trip with one and a 
> free Adventure Cycling shirt. I bought these as the company was closing 
> down, but the colors were too light and my nipples showed too much and I 
> was self-conscious about it. One still has the tag, the other was worn 
> briefly, both are wrinkly from being in a box. There is a tiny little run 
> on the back tail area of the one without tags. Both are XXL's, made in 
> Fiji. The thickness is about the same as the current Riv wool tops from 
> Australia. $50 for the pair shipped. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Some wool

[E. Ricky Creek]

I have a few things to pass along. 
Link to Pictures 


First is a Stormy Kromer hat in Partridge Plaid. Size is 7 3/8. I never 
took to this style of cap in practice, but I like the idea of them. Some 
wear, but not a ton. $25 shipped. 

Next is a red Rivendell possum wool beanie. I bought this for my partner, 
but her skin is too sensitive and gets itchy. Worn a couple of times around 
the house, maybe once to work. My receipt says the color is Pumpkin. $20 
shipped

Last is a pair of Swobo merino wool polo shirts. I LOVED Swobo! They had 
such cool stuff. I wore a pair of these shirts as my only tops across the 
whole USA. I lost one in Idaho and went the rest of the trip with one and a 
free Adventure Cycling shirt. I bought these as the company was closing 
down, but the colors were too light and my nipples showed too much and I 
was self-conscious about it. One still has the tag, the other was worn 
briefly, both are wrinkly from being in a box. There is a tiny little run 
on the back tail area of the one without tags. Both are XXL's, made in 
Fiji. The thickness is about the same as the current Riv wool tops from 
Australia. $50 for the pair shipped. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Hillborne PRICE DROP

[E. Ricky Creek]

I hope you find a buyer, Ahmed. 
I hope folks realize that the Hillborne was sort of the bike that started 
the whole modern era of Rivendells, as I don't feel like the Hillborne gets 
as much regard as the newer, evolved models. The Bomba came first as a 6 
degree upsloping tubed bike, but the Hillborne was the first of the Taiwan 
expanded geometry bicycles that have come to exemplify Rivendell (this is 
according to my fuzzy memory). It was meant to be a do all, beat it up, 
ride it like crazy, never repaint it (I recall grant saying he hoped nobody 
would ever repaint one), and pass it down to your children bike. I honestly 
think anyone looking for a Riv and fits this 55cm Hillborne couldn't find a 
better bicycle. I have had a super secret 56cm double TT Waterford 
Hillborne since 2011 and it is a never sell for me. It was my primary 
touring bicycle for a number of years, also commuter, shopper, and do all 
bicycle. It can use drops or uprights. Folks seem to want a Riv mixte or 
droptube, and I have had both and sold them both because I never actually 
used the lower tube for stepping "in" to the bicycle, I still throw my leg 
over, and with the expanded geometry of the Hillborne, you don't have to 
worry about standover anyway.
Also, and this is again only my experience, I never got along with the long 
wheelbase that the newer Riv's have. I much prefer the ride of my old style 
Atlantis, Hillborne, and Simpleone. 
I hope this helps anyone on the fence. 


On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:10:33 PM UTC-6 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> Thanks Chris!!! 
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 7:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
>> Ahmed 
>>
>> The Sam is a very nice build and color - just one size too small for me. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>
>>> PRICE DROP. I got absolutely no response at all so. guess I am 
>>> too high? OR No one wants a Hillborne these days? Make a reasonable offer. 
>>>
>>> Ahmed in San Mateo
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>>
 Let's try this again
 For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity Atlas 
 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto seatpost and 
 Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with stem 
 shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on it. 
 Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and prefer 
 local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist. 

 thanks
 Ahmed in San Mateo, CA

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[RBW] Re: Please help me find a Rosco Bubbe MMM!

[E. Ricky Creek]

I have a vague memory of Grant posting a series of pictures of homemade 
"lift tube" alternatives, including a bunch of duct(k) tape and maybe some 
leather and a twig? Does that sound familiar to anyone else? 

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:55:46 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I got one of the second batch in 2017:
> [image: IMG_1576.JPG]
>
> Mine is not for sale, but here is some info from Rivendell, when they 
> decided to do the second batch. One of the reasons that I bought it was 
> because of the horizontal dropouts - perfect for single speed or an 
> Internal Gear Hub (IGH). Mine is an 8 speed IGH. Originally for my 
> girlfriend, now wife, but she appropriated the Betty Foy - she loved the 
> red hearts in the lugwork of the Betty. I am ashamed to admit this but I 
> have not ridden it yet. Among other things, I was waiting to bend the front 
> rack supports. I appropriated the front and rear racks from my Trek 
> Belleville, they are a very similar blue, but the front needed a 
> modification, and then I bought Frank Jones, Sr, and then ..
>
> [image: MMM.JPG]
> Stealing these racks (fenders are too narrow), front is a wide Porteur 
> style with integral tubes for the light wiring:
> [image: belleville_blue.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 1:49:30 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I know this is a long, long, long-shot, but I am searching for a Rosco 
>> like the ones in the photo below or as Bill L once called it, the Rosco 
>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte. I spoke to Will about the frame and it ticks 
>> off ALL the boxes for what I am looking for. 
>>
>> Supposedly there were two batches of 12 made. The first batch was a more 
>> pale blue than the second. I couldn’t tell you which shade of blue is my 
>> favorite color as they both are gorgeous. The lighter blue is my current 
>> favorite but the darker reminds me more of the cerulean crayons that were 
>> my favorite as a child. The size of the frame is perfect for my 85 PBH and 
>> I'm told it’s able to do all the things I’d want to do with it. If I could 
>> afford a custom, I get this bike made in either one of those shades of blue 
>> but most likely the lighter shade.
>>
>> I suffered a shoulder injury lifting my lady’s lightweight road bike up 
>> onto a roof rack. It has been a few months but unfortunately it still 
>> hasn’t healed. Getting my Sam up and down the stairs at my house has become 
>> a frightening chore, especially when loaded. I’m hoping that the lifter bar 
>> will help prevent future injuries. My line of work requires me to hold a 
>> boom microphone over my head 5 days a week so I need my shoulders in tip 
>> top condition!
>>
>> I’ve been dreaming of a 650B go-everywhere-with-all-my-things bike 
>> (GEWAMT?). After speaking with Vince about whether the medium 650B Gus 
>> would be a good fit for me, he strongly suggested the large which is 
>> designed for 700C wheels (not that it matters since I didn’t pre-order 
>> one). The 53cm Atlantis is currently the ideal candidate, and a bike I’d 
>> love to one day own since it’s designed around 650B, but I’d really like a 
>> step through or at least a swoop tube, especially since this bike will 
>> hopefully one day hold a child seat. (High top tube related trail injuries 
>> might stand in the way of that plan).
>>
>> Again, I know its a long shot but I’m crossing my fingers that the kind 
>> members here might keep an eye out for me if one pops up for sale. I 
>> believe several of you folks own one and love them. If someone happens to 
>> have one that’s gathering dust in the corner, I’d be happy to give it a 
>> loving home!
>>
>> Thanks everyone,
>>
>> Joe Mullins
>>
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> [image: Rosco MMMs.png] 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[E. Ricky Creek]

I would pass on this frame and buy a complete early Trek 520, 620, or 720, 
all of which can be had for $400-$500. There is a 50cm 620 on SF Craigslist 
right now. Then keep an eye out for a Toyo/Waterford Atlantis, which will 
become your forever bike! I had an 88 520 that took 35mm tires and fenders 
without issue. That said, nobody can tell you what your perfect "forever" 
bike will be. I've gone through 20 bikes before settling on 2 perfect 
bicycles (Waterford Hilborne, Waterford Altlantis), and one fun bike 
(Simpleone). 
Also, consider the trauma of getting a bicycle stolen recently and how you 
will treat a bicycle that could easily have $3000 invested in it, plus the 
rarity factor. I'd never want to park that thing outside. 
All that said, if it fits you and you like riding it, then it is the best 
bike for you. To paraphrase Grant from years ago, the best bike is the one 
you ride. 

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:11:37 AM UTC-6 Ian A wrote:

> It's none of my business! But, considering you've had gravel bikes etc. 
> you might find a ~27mm tire rather narrow and perhaps limiting, especially 
> on a 559 wheel. I say this as someone who is very attached to a Marinoni 
> Turismo touring bike that carried me through Central and South America, but 
> I wish the frame and fork would accommodate a wider tire than 34mm with 
> fenders (it's a tight fit under fenders). I'm in the process of setting the 
> Marinoni up for touring again (it has been in a more stripped down 
> configuration), but I also find myself looking for a used Long Haul Trucker 
> that takes 26"x2"+ rubber under fenders.  The problem all started when I 
> bought a Rawland rSogn running 40mm x 650b Hetre tires and was blown away 
> by the benefits of a good quality wider tire. I think 38mm has become my 
> minimum width for any new bike that comes into my life.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:43:55 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> T'were I you I'd want to check out the fit with wheels/tires before 
>> committing. Dealing with parts build/etc is a lot easier post-purchase than 
>> dealing with a sub-optimal fit. There are loads of crappy 26" wheels/tires 
>> you can get for cheap that would work to check fit, but whether seller will 
>> let you put wheels into a pristine frameset may be an issue.
>>
>> I still have issues with the overall value, but I'm not the one that 
>> wants it badly, so my issues don't matter much.
>>
>> But I will say that for the same/similar money, you can get yourself a 
>> brandy-new handbuilt steel frameset in a size/configuration that will fit 
>> you fer sure. It won't be lugged, you'd have to be happy with a tig'd 
>> frame, and it may not ring similar bells and release as heavy an endorphin 
>> dose as a minty vintage Riv. But it may fit better, have better clearances, 
>> and might even ride better. I suspect there are a bunch of builders who 
>> could do this, but I don't have many in my mental Rolodex. I can start with 
>> Jeff Lyon, who's been building since the '70s, and has gotten very 
>> excellent feedback on his entry-level L'avecaise frames:
>>
>> https://www.lyonsport.com/frames-0   [$1,100 for unfiled tig'd frame, 
>> $285 for matching fork]
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 2:45:13 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want 
>>> the Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>>>
>>> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard 
>>> to tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>>>
>>> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>>>
>>> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>>>
>>> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>>>
>>> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
>>> frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
>>> 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>>>
>>> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now 
>>> I am not so sure.
>>>
>>> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
>>> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
>>> about it ;/
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[E. Ricky Creek]

I spent an afternoon with Greg Siple a number of years back while riding 
across the USA, and using my memory only he told me the adapted derailleurs 
and any other modifications for those early epic touring bikes were done at 
a local Missoula shop called Braxton's. I think he built bicycles as well. 
Ian Hibell's Africa bike is also up in the rafters of Adventure Cycling's 
headquarters and worth a look. 

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:38:35 AM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> Whoa, Garth! You da' man! Thank you very much for your diggin' deep. 
>
> PFM?
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:13:13 PM UTC+9 Garth wrote:
>
>> Gotta love all these cool looking and timeless Bicycles !  
>> What's funny is that their experiences read as relevant today as any 
>> other time or place. 
>> I had looked for the article a few days at the time of posting this ago 
>> but ran into dead ends. So this AM I felt an urge to see it as I knew it 
>> existed online somewhere and readily accessible at that. Lo and behold 
>> thanks to the wonders of PFM, here is The May 1973 entire periodical in 
>> pdf format.
>>
>>
>> https://avalonlibrary.net/National_Geographic/National%20Geographic%201973-05%20143-5%20May.pdf
>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 6:45:08 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Well, this is cool! Now, is someone other than me on the lookout for a 
>>> copy of the May 1973 Nat Geo article which features '26 pages about 
>>> bicycling'? That'd be a fun timepiece to see! 
>>>
>>> Thanks Garth!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:51:14 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I mean "multiple cogs" of course.


 adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub
>


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[RBW] Re: Clicking MKS bear trap pedal

[E. Ricky Creek]

This is bad/lazy advice, but when my MKS touring pedals start clicking 
(these are the only pedals I use), I take the dust cap off and and just jam 
a bunch of grease in there. It always makes the click go away. I eventually 
overhaul them correctly, but who wants to do that instead of riding. 
Also, in my experience it is pretty easy to tell if it is the pedals just 
from riding. 
  Again, this is only my experience with these specific MKS pedals. 

 

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:46:54 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I think the endcap is removable and the bearings are simple cup & cone 
> with loose ball bearings that should be servicable.  Either 1/8" or 5/32" 
> balls.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:44:10 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Paul, can you recommend a good quality can-o-worms opener? 
>> Preferably made in USA? 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 8:32:43 AM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> TL; DR: First swap the pedal to make sure the issue is the pedal. If the 
>>> clicking goes away, then you know it's the pedal. If not, you need a deep 
>>> dive into other possibilities. 
>>>
>>> If it is the pedal, make sure the pedal threads are greased or have 
>>> anti-seize, install a pedal washer if you don't have one installed 
>>> currently, and check again. 
>>>
>>> Next check the spindle/bearing adjustment for any play. If there's play, 
>>> adjust it out. If the spindle isn't adjustable, you're SOL on that count.
>>>
>>> If the pedal cages are bolted on, drip some Tri-Flow/similar at the 
>>> bolt/cage interface and cage/body interface and carefully make sure the 
>>> bolts are tight. You want to use a good wrench and care since the bolt head 
>>> is probably small and shallow. 
>>>
>>> If the cages aren't bolted on, drip some Tri-Flow/similar into the space 
>>> between cages and pedal body. 
>>>
>>> I don't know if you can just pound on the peened cage/body interface---I 
>>> mean nothing's stopping you from doing that,  just not sure if it'd be 
>>> effective, and it could cause damage and ugliness. 
>>>
>>> That's about all that comes to my scattered mind at the moment.
>>>
>>> And just so it's said
>>>
>>> Clicking Pedal Syndrome can bring you down some dark and scary places.
>>>
>>> Joking aside, what seems like a pedal click can come from many other 
>>> places on the bike, and may have zero relation to what you're 
>>> hearing/feeling from your recent pedal installation. Plenty of stories here 
>>> if you do a search. Folks have found "pedal clicks" to be seatposts, 
>>> saddles, stems and/or handlebars. You swear you can feel it in the pedals, 
>>> but the offending tick is somewhere else entirely. And much time and agony 
>>> can be experienced running it down.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just installed a pair of MKS bear trap pedals and have put about 150 
 miles on them. The right pedal just started clicking. I can feel a dull 
 click when the pedal gets to the three o'clock position. 

 Any ideas for remedies? 

 Thanks! 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Tool Roll

[E. Ricky Creek]

There are a lot of different sized waxed canvas tool rolls on Etsy that 
might fit what you are looking for. 
On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-5 Jingy wrote:

> anyone else have one they want to unload?
> Jim in Mpls
>
> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 8:45:05 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> And sold, thanks all!
>>
>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:27:05 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> One more from the bin. I got this a few years ago from a fellow lister 
>>> and haven't used it since. Plenty dirty (beausage?), still fully 
>>> functional. Comes with two leather straps.
>>>
>>> $20 shipped
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yJ8SaqZJL6Ru1zpW9
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 61cm Toyo Atlantis

[E. Ricky Creek]

I have a 58cm Waterford Atlantis. My wife has instructions not to sell it 
for at least 10 years after my death in case I rise from the grave and want 
to do some zombie cyclotouring.

I hope you find the 61cm you are looking for.

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 12:06:15 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:

> My 61cm  toyo is the first bike i’ve been certain i’ll never sell. Such a 
> great bike. I’d actually buy a backup frame if i could.
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:20 AM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>
> If you spot a 58 that is reasonably priced and structurally sound, I 
> would consider selling my 61cm Toyo.  
>
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 1:03:47 AM UTC-5 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone, 
>>
>> I know this one is a stretch but I figured this is where I would start on 
>> my journey to find the “Dream Riv”. I currently own a 2018 59cm Atlantis 
>> and love it ! My first love has always been the Toyo Atlantis 2 61 cm so 
>> any leads or anyone possibly looking to sell ? Ideally frame and fork would 
>> be awesome but if it’s a build I can part out is cool too! 
>>
>> Thanks y’all ! 
>>
>> Bren 
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Re: [RBW] Anyone know what this is?

[E. Ricky Creek]

I don't have a drivetrain that is even remotely as clean as that one. 
I recently bought two chain rests from Columbine Cycles (Riv used to sell 
them). http://www.columbinecycle.com/store-accessory.php


On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 9:40:34 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's a chain rest. I've had chain rests, though much simpler in design, 
> added to my customs, though much higher on the stay because the frames are 
> designed for single cogs. Very helpful when removing the wheel on sandy 
> verges.
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 7:35 AM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> I just picked up a Saluki and it has this odd thing attached to the 
>> frame. I have no idea what it is? Some sort of device to hold the chain for 
>> some reason? Anyone see anything like this before? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[E. Ricky Creek]

It is time for me to fess up as to how many Riv's were (until recently) in 
my garage: 7. I ride a Waterford Atlantis, a Waterford Hillborne (rare 
canti/double TT 56cm), a Simpleone, and I recently sold a Gomez and a Clem 
H. My wife rides a Cheviot and an Appaloosa (both are in my size range). I 
rode the Clem H for 5-6 years and every time I rode it I thought "I just 
don't love this bike, but it is the bike I ride the most (commuter)." I 
ride a 58cm traditionally sized bike and found the 52 Clem H just never fit 
right (too small). The 60cm Yves Gomez was too big and never felt 
comfortable. Much like you my dream bike (since 2004) was the Atlantis. 
I've had mine for 4 years. If I only could keep one bike, it would be the 
Atlantis. I am not as fond of the long chainstays as others here are, but I 
have ridden them and didn't think they are bad, but I prefer the ride of my 
Hillborne and Atlantis (and sometimes when my knees are feeling okay the 
Simpleone). If you are into bikes and dream of different bikes and spent 
crazy amounts of time looking at bikes (and parts!), thinking that X bike 
will complete your bike quest, then buying your dream bike now may not 
truly satisfy your hunger. I bought, rode, sold, traded, gave away many 
bikes on my journey to my current stable, which is perfect for me. But if 
I'd started way back in 2003 (when I got into riding as an "adult") with 
this bunch of bikes I likely wouldn't feel the way about them as I do now. 
I don't know what the answer is for you, nor does anyone, really, but you 
can't go wrong with any bike that fits you and you enjoy riding. Plus if 
you score a Clem on this list, it will still be worth what you paid in a 
year (maybe more?!), and folks on this list are always up for a "new" bike. 

That was long winded and didn't answer your question. The Clem H rode slow 
and fat for me (as I am slow and fat), and it didn't fit me right because 
of the huge gap between sizes. The Atlantis (original style) rides much 
more like a traditional touring bike (stable, easy handling), which I 
prefer. I rode a LHT for years and the Atlantis rides more similar, though 
much better, that that. The bikes were set up with upright bars (though the 
Atlantis now has wide drops, which I prefer). 

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Max:
>
> I have a 58 cm 2003 Atlantis that has seen extensive use in all the 
> categories Jim mentioned and agree with his evaluations.  I have fitted 50 
> mm tires to it but chosen to run 40 mm as my optimal size.  The bike is 
> amazingly versatile & came with drop bars which were fine for years until 
> the penny dropped & I went upright for even more comfort.  I've used 
> several kinds of racks on it, both for light around town use & fully loaded 
> touring.  It handles everything with style.  
>
> I've never ridden a Clem so obviously I'm highly biased in this but if the 
> Atlantis is your dream bike, go for it.  A frequent comment from list 
> members who've sold an Atlantis is "I wish I hadn't done that".  
>
> Used ones pop up here from time to time, usually in the common frame 
> sizes.  While there is nothing like a brand new bike (I still remember 
> pulling mine out of the shipping box), a used Atlantis is still a great 
> bike.  It's not as if steel frames wear out.  Besides, if the Atlantis is 
> your dream bike & you pass on it, you will always wonder "...what if?...".  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:30:09 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback Jimmy!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:37:29 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I’m an Atlantis owner and a family member of a Clem owner, which I have 
>>> ridden. Disclaimer: that Clem is 2 cm above my ideal size.
>>>
>>> If it were me, I’d save up and get an Atlantis, especially if pre-owned. 
>>> A used one probably has less tire room, but still has a lot of tire room, 
>>> and the newest ones, according to the Riv site fit 2.4”, which I think 
>>> matches the Clem. And it rides better, more efficient. It’s all around a 
>>> more versatile bike if you’re looking for a do-all with road-riding in mind 
>>> as well as trails.
>>>
>>> And even if you find one of the oldest models (mine’s generation 1 from 
>>> 2000) the tire clearance will still be close to 2”. And the tire room only 
>>> got better as the model evolved from 2000 to now.
>>>
>>> I’ve used my Atlantis for every kind of riding I enjoy (which does not 
>>> include steep downhill fast rocky mountain biking!)
>>>
>>> Touring - amazing
>>> Dirt road bike packing - amazing
>>> Commuting - amazing
>>> Cross country mountain biking and dirt climbing - amazing
>>> Drop bar road riding - very good
>>>
>>> - Jimmy W.
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:33 AM, max.c@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
>>> bank account align...at least that's my hope. 
>>>
>>> I browse a 

[RBW] Re: Anyone going to stock pile 650B rims for non-disc brakes?

[E. Ricky Creek]

I'm usually not an alarmist, but I've been stockpiling parts since last 
April. I hope to ride rim brakes and 8 speed friction until I can't ride 
anymore, which I hope is 35-40 years from now. It was tough seeing all the 
shimano and sunrace 8 speed cassettes with a 34t dry up or go for way too 
much money. They are starting to show back up again slowly, but it spooked 
me. I have accumulated a pretty nice larder of consumables (tires, tubes, 
chains, brake pads, cables/housing, some rear hubs) in the last year. My 
next big project is buying 10 or so Sun CR18 rims (700c, polished, 36 
hole). I don't think 700c rims are going anywhere, but this particular rim 
may disappear some day and I just like how cheap and good they are. If you 
can afford to do so, I'd snatch up a couple extra 650b rims just to sleep 
better at night. I don't mind having parts on hand, even if they will all 
be available again next year, because I love bikes, bike parts, and I do 
all my own mechanics for my wife's bikes and mine (5 Rivendell's between 
us). 

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 11:36:22 AM UTC-5 Jay LePree wrote:

> HI all:
>
> Still waiting for final build on my Platypus.  The delay is caused by a 
> shortage of 650B rims for non-disc brakes.  Has anyone thought about stock 
> piling a pair or so?  
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason LePree
> Demarest, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Seat bag security

[E. Ricky Creek]

When I lived in Chicago and used a Carradice I would pair it with a 
Pletscher rear rack with a mousetrap. When I parked the bike I would open 
the mousetrap over the bag and then use a little padlock to lock a loop on 
the bag to the mousetrap. It was an easy lockup trick and nobody every 
messed with it. 

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

> On my Bart bike (which I leave at the station all day during non-covid 
> times), I loop a thin braided steel cable (like 2-3mm diameter, ~10" long) 
> through the bag and the seatpost binder bolt.  These were typically used to 
> theft-deter quick release seat posts.  On at least a couple of occasions, I 
> found my bag (just a cheap Jannd, but still, I don't want it stolen) 
> hanging off the bike but still attached because the thief couldn't just 
> walk off with it.  Of course, I don't leave anything valuable in the bag, 
> and you could pretty easily cut through the cable if you were determined.
>
> Greg
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 7:16:09 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've always wanted to attach a fancy Sackville bag to my bike, but I live 
>> in Toronto where stuff gets stolen off your bike all the time. So I've 
>> resigned myself to only using bike parts I can bolt down.
>>
>> Anyone else deal with this? Any suggestions for locking down or otherwise 
>> securing seat bags? 
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Zack
>> Toronto, Canada
>>
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[RBW] Wider Noodles

[E. Ricky Creek]

I noticed in Will's email update a mention of a 54cm Noodle prototype. 
Well, consider me excited. I recently put Nitto/Crust Shaka bars on my 
Atlantis to get something wider than a 48 Noodle and absolutely love them. 
It got me thinking that it would be cool if Riv put the same effort into 
perfect wider drops that they put into all the wide variations of 
loscotoscochocobosco sweptback bars. Also, I recall over the years that 
various threads about drops have mentioned demand for 50+ wide noodle bars. 
Anyone else jazzed? 

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[RBW] Re: Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[E. Ricky Creek]

I've been toying with this for a few weeks: 
https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Medium-Basket-13-5X6-25X11/dp/B001EL7P34?th=1

I see folks piling ridiculous amounts of junk on baskets and strapped to 
saddlebags because panniers aren't "cool" anymore. Why not start your own 
new style of basket pannier packing. If it takes off, I'm sure a new 
cottage industry of makers will sell custom Wald 520 bags to go in the 
baskets (thus become panniers again), available in any waxed canvas color 
you want. I'm joking, of course.  
(I'm not joking about the Wald pannier baskets on my Clem...)

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:35:40 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Unfortunately throwing money at it until I'm happy doesn't sit as well 
> with my inner light!
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:32:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Considering gravity is at best theoretical, so are it's associated 
>> calculations. So I'd say adorn the bike any way you wish, whatever the 
>> "inner light" reveals. We all have an unfiltered and unquestionable 
>> inherent sense of that.  
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:52:41 AM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> On my Atlantis, I always have a handlebar bag.  When I use panniers, the 
>>> fronts are always used, and the rears only when needing to carry a camping 
>>> load.  After much experimentation, I've come to the conclusion that for me 
>>> & my bike, when using 4 bags, 60% front load & 40% rear gave best 
>>> handling.  Others probably have different preferences.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 7:50:37 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 ...or the rear?

 Discuss.




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[RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[E. Ricky Creek]

Welcome!
Cool bikes! 
My wife and I visited Pittsburgh a few years ago and brought our bikes. 
Lots of hills, lots of busses, but we had a great time pedaling around a 
new city. 

I moved to a new town a three years ago and my daily bike commute stopped 
being a daily thing. I found that recreational riding is boring if there 
isn't a theme or destination. I got back into film photography and now have 
things that I search out. Right now I'm super into ice freezers that you 
find outside of gas stations or liquor stores. I don't know why, but they 
seem really classic to me. Cemetery rides can be fun, too.  

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:12:27 PM UTC-6 joshuamarx wrote:

> Hello!
> I've been spending time on this group for years, for inspiration and 
> information, and for general entertainment. It's high time I join the group 
> properly so I can contribute every once in a while.
>
> I'm a proud owner of a 60cm 1st gen (I think) Cheviot, and a 59 cm MIT 
> Atlantis--one of the demo completes that Riv sold a while back. Links to 
> pictures are below (crossing my fingers that they come through properly). 
>
> Pre-COVID, 99% of my riding was commuting (downtown Pittsburgh) and errand 
> running. The non-commuting of COVID has really cut into my bike time--I may 
> need to figure out how to work recreational rides into my life this spring!
> Best,
> Josh
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8pdNanpBNGSY7fOQjHTdaXfIaXPgwP7/view?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eghSVYdTjSB2zc3nzY9X8cz8dgQvIbLl/view?usp=sharing
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[RBW] Re: bike and paddle

[E. Ricky Creek]

I have a cheap inflatable kayak and a cheap folding bike that I use to ride 
up river and float down. The folded up bike without wheels attaches to the 
back and the wheels stow on the front. It works fine but a little bit of a 
pain. I am planning on adding a tube into the mix to put the folder in and 
tow with the kayak. My river is slow and wide so I'm not worried about 
rapids or anything. My old river was small, shallow, and was only passable 
when the water was high. 

I have never tried paddle boarding but I hear it is fun. Thanks for the 
cool idea! 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[E. Ricky Creek]

I had a thought about a month ago that it would be great if there was a 
collective effort to list touch up paint for Riv colors. It was nice to see 
how quickly the Riv Reader Archive came together as well as the models, 
years spreadsheet. I would personally benefit as I'm brutal on my bike's 
paint jobs and have many different colored Riv's in the garage. I have 
noticed also that Testors is no longer making some of the classic colors, 
like the Atlantis green, but Waterford has a close approximation. Even 
folks that have discovered nail polish that works with some colors. Since 
the Riv Timeline spreadsheet (
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JRuMAwuQ-Rc6bQXCBmfkmXA9jMMF5zBdBIyUOmkruYM/edit#gid=0)
 
is editable, would it be okay to add a column with touch up paint/polish? 

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

[E. Ricky Creek]

I grew up with a multi use path at the end of my street. I started using it 
at 5-6 when I learned to ride a bicycle. The etiquette of the trail was so 
ingrained in the culture of childhood for my peers and I that even in our 
punky middle school BMX years, we were still "on your left" conscious. I 
still get annoyed when folks don't respond to the bell, clicking levers, or 
on-your-lefts. Now with the paths flooded with folks just trying to get out 
of their houses, I am more aware that the inherent social contract of MUP 
etiquette isn't something that others know or were taught, and I am 
accepting of it more now than ever. While some signage exists, I'm sure, I 
don't expect a family with two dogs, a couple of kids on Razors, another on 
rollerblades, and a stroller to be on edge in case a middle-aged weirdo on 
a lugged bicycle and a wool cardigan rings his bell. 

What this traffic has done for me is make me get out my local maps and come 
up with new rides, which has been fun. I moved to Elgin, IL a year and a 
half ago and have been working on riding all of the streets in town and 
admiring all of the brilliant old houses, flowers, learning all of the 
street names, etc.   

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[RBW] Shinshields?

[E. Ricky Creek]

I was up at 3:30 this morning (I couldn't sleep) and was flipping through 
some old Riv material and came across Shinshields in the 20th catalog (
http://notfine.com/rivreader/Catalogs/RivCatalog20.pdf pg. 77). The copy 
reads:

"It's for poncho wearers who want to keep their lower legs dry without 
wearing rain pants. One size fits all calves, and they're orange. At 
current sales rates, we have a ten-year supply. When we run out, that's it. 
Orange, with Velcro and reflectors."

Alas, these seem to be no more and I missed out. I have a pair of Clem OS 
pedals (one has some scuffs from laying the bike down) or a pair of Shimano 
105 aero levers (nice condition ) to trade if anyone has a pair they are 
willing to get rid of. I also have a scuffed up Ritchey seatpost (27.2) to 
throw in with either to "sweeten" the deal if needed. 

 Lemme know. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: The Wait is Finally Over!

[E. Ricky Creek]

I love that you used a Pletscher rack. I have one on  my Atlantis and my 
wife has one on her Appaloosa. I always pick them up at flea markets if 
they are under $5. They are almost always missing hardware, but there is a 
way to mount them using the leftover P-clamps that come with Nitto racks. 
  Congrats and engoy! 

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 10:34:00 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Drove 5 hours back from our spring break in Tennessee today with my 
> family.  On the outside I was all appropriate business:  “Wash your hands 
> in the bathrooms.”  “Use these wipes to open the gas station doors.”  “Stop 
> touching your brother’s face!” I even managed to carry on meaningful and 
> necessary discussions with my wife about how we were going to set up the 
> house to work from home while dealing with our 2 boys.  I am proud I held 
> onto this responsible veneer when, on the inside, all I could do was think 
> about how I was going to leave the house the MOMENT we were done unpacking 
> and go get my Sam Hillborne.  
>
> And here it is in *almost* all its glory.  Got to ride it for about a mile 
> before rain and dinner interfered.  
> First impressions:  
> 1.  It’s the most comfortable bike I’ve ever saddled up.
> 2.  It’s the first bike I’ve had that just FIT.  I’m not trying to 
> constantly scoot back in the saddle.
> 3.  The Low Bottom Bracket thing is for real, y’all.  Not sure I can go 
> back.
> 4.  I thought my ‘83 Specialized Expedition won the JD Power and 
> Associates  Hallmark of Cadillac Stability Award, (and maybe it does when 
> fully loaded) but this Sammy is SMOOTH.
>  
> *still to be added are a water bottle holder a Medium Wald Basket (on the 
> Pletscher in the rear?), a small Olive Trunk Sack and an extra-small Olive 
> SaddleSack.  
> BY THE WAY, my Sackville are all in Olive and, as you can see here, I’ve 
> got a blue/orange motif going.  Anybody interested in trading me some Royal 
> Blue Sackville items for my Olive?
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