[RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Gill]

The fact that the OP’s query has already been thoroughly dealt with won’t 
dissuade me from chiming in on a subject near and dear (besides, if posters 
were not able to beat dead horses this forum would have dissolved years 
ago). I own a Clem and ride off road, gravel/trail riding is the fourth 
most favorite thing I do in life. I highly encourage others to do it on a 
Clem. Opinion, highly subjective, yes, but I do have a kind of data point. 
Usually I’m solo but last summer I joined a group ride (my daughter said I 
needed to make new friends). This served as a good barometer of how Clem 
compared with other “gravel” bikes. My inaugural ride was 19 miles moving 
at a good clip, mostly off-road at the end of which another rider smiled 
and said “You just ride that thing don’t you“. I translated that to, “turns 
out that’s a nice bicycle and my unspoken questioning of its 
appropriateness for this ride was unfounded, my apologies“. Worth noting, 
unlike Kai’s tough looking Clem mine is a Riv blue step thru and gets no 
respect. The qualities that make the Clem a good gravel bike are those that 
make it a good bike period: bulletproof frame, long wheel base, stable 
handling, gearing that gets you over/through anything you have any business 
being on, fits most any tire and uber comfortable. I might add that part of 
that comfort comes from the bosco bars – Clems suspension system –a swept 
back pliant trail chatter sponge that doesn’t compromise control. So resist 
the temptation to immediately switch em out for off-road. Happy trails.
Gil
Gloucester
On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:30:01 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Kai,
>
> My compliments on your Clem! Your portfolio of images really displays the 
> Clems versatility, and I might add, your creativity. An ideal bike for 
> NY/Brooklyn terrain.
> The adjustable bottom bracket is pretty cool too:-)
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:16:23 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>>
>> Many photos of many states of Clem H, all gravel ready- 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/uxqm63W2nB5scvmg7
>> -Kai
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:06:54 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230606_164339003.jpg]
>>>
>>> This thread needs less opinions and more inpirational photos of Gravel 
>>> Clems. Just my opinion. :P 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:02:41 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm not going to provide specific tire recommendations, but I ride 
 "gravel" and single-track quiet a bit on my Roadini. I still remember that 
 time in the 1990s when I was riding with Bridgestone-sponsored cyclist 
 Eric 
 House, and we all showed up in the East Bay proud of ourselves for riding 
 road bikes on a Grant ride. Grant showed up on a fixie with 35mm tires and 
 proceeded to outride us all on and off road. 

 A few principles:

- The lighter the rider, the smaller the tire you can get away 
with. At 140 pounds, I can ride fire roads with 25mm tires (or even 23, 
back when Michelin 23s were $10/pop!)
- Tread or no tread doesn't matter as much as rider skill and speed.
- Rider skill cannot be disentangled from bike fit. If the bike 
doesn't fit, you will find stuff scary that you can actually ride if 
 the 
bike fit. I once accidentally raised my seat too high and discovered 
 that 
stuff I could easily ride suddenly became hard!
- The longer the ride and the steeper the climb, the more important 
weight becomes. I can ride big heavy tires if I'm only going to go 
 downhill 
because a car did most of the work. But if I have to do a lot of 
 climbing 
(some of which turns into hiking inevitably if you ride in mountainous 
areas), the lighter the bike the better off you are.
- You can drop tire pressure far more than most tire pressure 
calculators will tell you to. I can run 700x40 tires measuring 38mm at 
25psi (the Rene Herse calculator will recommend 33psi) when I'm riding 
 off 
pavement. On the pavement that same pressure will feel inefficient. I 
 go so 
far as to carry a pressure gauge to drop tire pressure at the trail 
 head 
and pump up the tires when I transition off a dirt descent onto 
 pavement 
for the ride home.
- Bigger tires affect handling - one reason I don't ride with as 
big a tire as I can get away with is that you lose some agility. 
 Frequently 
I find that being able to steer precisely and quickly offsets the 
 inability 
to plow through some obstacle head on.

 What I do notice is that most people don't like to underbike. They will 
 make comments that I won't be able to do a ride on my 25mm tires and then 
 be all surprised when I show up and do the ride. But when I'm touring I'm 
 not going to bring 3 different bikes, 

[RBW] Crank Repair Advice

[Gill]

Last fall through my own dumbassness I stripped the drive side (silver) 
crank on my Clem. LBS tapped/threaded insert put the pedal back on and off 
I went with no problems since. I recently asked a bike mechanic if he 
thought this was a good, permanent solution and he said, “Dude, if it was 
me I’d definitely get a new crank” (said with a slightly raised eyebrow  so 
I’d know he was serious). So in deciding what to do if anyone here has 
experience with this sort of thing or a reasoned opinion I’d be grateful to 
hear it. 

Decision factors to consider:
I check often and pedal looks/feels fine. 
Keeping stuff out of landfills worthy goal
Depedaling (is that a word?) was painful want to avoid going forward. 
New cranks don’t come easy

Questions:
How confident should I be with a repair? 
Will changing out pedals compromise?
Should I have machine shop redo lbs repair, assuming skilled machinist with 
sophisticated machinery will produce best result?
Should I just get a new crank?
Thanks
Gill
Gloucester MA

 

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[RBW] Re: Grant “Enzo” Petersen

[Gill]

That’s what you get for missing half your cylinders. 
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:03:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Remember, a Dino 246 is just a Dino. It was not a Ferrari back then. Dinos 
> did not get Ferrari badging until 1976 and 246s were only produced until 
> 1974.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:23:09 AM UTC-4 Gill wrote:
>
>> I may have stumbled upon the original inspiration for Rivendell blue in 
>> the sexy form of a 1972 Ferrari Dino 246 GT. The car owner offered to buy 
>> my bike he was so taken with the match (but bike rack posed a challenge). 
>> For Riv owners needing touch up paint look no further than Blu Chiaro 
>> Metallizzatto. Ciao
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 60cm complete

[Gill]

I couldn’t find Ram on Riv sizing chart but assume a pbh of 93 would make 
this frame too small. If any ram owners care to substantiate I’d appreciate 
it. 

On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 2:04:44 AM UTC-4 Chris Freeman wrote:

> Super beautiful and well-cared for Rivendell Rambouillet 60cm frameset 
> with original Riv spec save for handlebars, bell, fenders, and 
> leather-covered toe clips.  Some light examples of beausage (2 faint 
> scratches, three tiny nicks, and a faint line of metal on the edge of one 
> lug) but super clean and dent free. The lugs and craftsmanship of the frame 
> are a joy to behold. I doubt the pictures will do justice to how beautiful 
> this bike is. The Handlebars are wrapped in the style suggested in the Riv 
> Reader and is shellacked to near perfection. Shellacked tape can be slippy, 
> this fixes that and the result is s beautiful. 
>
> I don’t know, I love this bike. You can fit 42c 650b’s with ease under the 
> fenders and I can provide you with a nearly new handmade wheelset with 
> highly polished VO rims, Campy front, White Industries rear and a brand new 
> Cassette that makes this into a truly go anywhere bike, imho.  I have 
> tried a ton of bikes and keep coming back to this one. $150 in shipping 
> should cover it, or I can deliver in Minneapolis. TBI (traumatic brain 
> injury) forces sale and a whole bunch of other bikes will be going up on 
> related google sites (Rawland, RO Harrison, French Rando 650b conversion, 
> MB-4, XO-3…). Please wear a helmet.[image: 
> 10A05D92-8806-475E-98C0-3173314BDF7F_1_105_c.jpeg]
>
> Link to photos 
>
> -Chris
>
>  The Particulars:
>
> 60cm frame
>
> Ultegra derailleurs and Dura Ace bar-end shifters
>
> Ultegra hubs/Araya RC-540 rims/2 mm stainless steel spokes, 32 front, 36 
> rear. 
> Cass Shimano HG50 9spd 11-32
>
> Sugino triple cranks 48-36-26.
>
> Shimano R-400 brake levers and 57 mm A-550 long-reach calipers Conti Tires 
>
> Nitto Technomic stem
>
> Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost 
>
> Nitto Dream handlebars 
>
> Shimano platform pedals 
>
> Christopher toe strap clips with leather covers.
>
> Riv SKS fenders in cream
>
> Bell with puhteeena
>
> Ideale 92 saddle not included
>
> Comes with owner’s manual and original brochure in excellent condition
>
>  
>
> Here is Fred’s neat review that you may have already seen:
>
>
> https://www.roadbikerider.com/rivendell-rambouillet-d1/
>

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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Gill]

Yeah, I second what Joe said. The only thing I’ve managed to break on my 
Clem is a nipple and it took a concerted effort of dumbness to do that. 
That bike is bulletproof. 

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:59:49 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've owned a Susie and several Clem Ls, the Clem is notably stouter. Ain't 
> nobody breaking that frame. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that Clem has been built heavily to take a lot of 
>> abuse. Have fun, and let us know how it rides with a touring load!
>> -W
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:56:31 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have been thinking about this a lot lately in preparation for the trip 
>>> I am currently on with my Clem. I have about 30lbs. of gear including the 
>>> racks & 3 water bottles. Pretty evenly distributed f/r but perhaps biased 
>>> towards the front. Bike handles good. Hope it’s ok.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>>>
>>> All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not 
>>> the same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the 
>>> smaller sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious 
>>> what the rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that 
>>> he has apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction 
>>> from the repair.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a 
 heavier rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going 
 to be flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For 
 instance I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put 
 much on a Susie and keep within the limits.
 -W

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
> marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
> wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
> of 
> us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
> unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
> products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
> overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
> can only weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, 
> I just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So 
> I’d imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d 
> be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
> chance to take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump 
>> on the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and 
>> it 
>> made me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me 
>> think, actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do 
>> that again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Gill]

My daughter and I rode to Bon Iver concert last night in Portland ME and 
happy to report that the longest line we stood in was not at the merch tent 
or the sushi burrito and cupcakes food truck but rather at the BCM valet 
bike parking area after the show. 

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, it's a delight to be able to ride to most shows in Los Angeles. My 
> wife and I will ride to see the symphony at Disney Hall, many concerts at 
> the Hollywood Bowl, and pretty much everywhere in between. I've discovered 
> many well hidden or well protected bike racks. Outside the Midnight Oil 
> show was a little sketchy, but we had three locks between two bikes. 
> Luckily everything was still there when we left.
>
> Now, to organize the So Cal Rivendell "Owners and Appreciators" ride ;)
>
> Ben
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 4:19:52 PM UTC-7 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>> Seeing Midnight Oil live is always a treat -- I've seen them three or 
>> four times -- but being able to bike to the show is an extra treat!
>>
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, NJ
>>
>> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 1:14:13 AM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I plead guilty on all counts! Great to meet you outside the concert, 
>>> Ben! Sweet Rammy!
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, Mike!!!
>>>
>>> Notwithstanding the legend of the RPV Oil/RBW superfan, I was **also** 
>>> in SLO over the Mem Day weekend (regrets, it was but a quick lunch stop), 
>>> and lookie what I spotted - who dis?!?
>>>
>>> (bad bike-pile photo / am sure everyone here is capable of the quick 
>>> forensic reading to recognize "ONE OF US")
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
 Cool
 I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got 
 comments on my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv 
 too. 
 Jarrod and Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, 
 apparently standing too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with 
 Texas 
 plates was trying to park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along 
 and 
 found one of the many empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice 
 running into some new folks in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch 
 B 
 on his Atlantis (Hi Mitch). Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.

 Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA

 On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey Everybody!
> Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los 
> Angeles. While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line 
> approached me because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took 
> pictures, 
> but I can't remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.
>
> Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. 
> say hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
> happen. Maybe this is a good sign!
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA knickers, Blue Lug/RBW cap, Otto lock

[Gill]

Hi Joe, I’d like to buy the lock. Venmo, PayPal whatever. 
Chris

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 3:56:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Knickers are the older style with adjustable straps at the bottom so won't 
> be as costly as the ones recently sold here, brown, large, sold to me as 
> near new and I never wore them, never will! $50 
>
> Blue Lug/RBW cap, fits kinda large or adjusts down, also near new, tried 
> once, not my jam, $50
>
> Otto Lock, 30 inches, pricey new and I've used it maybe three times but I 
> don't think anybody is going to pay big money so let's call it $20
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/86wLz25YPLXBQz868
>
> All prices plus shipping. Email or text for more pics and all the 
> questions and whatnot! 
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
> 415-786-4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Custom $950

[Gill]

Or. One bike to rule them all. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EL8hLQnzJ4
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:40:11 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Rare adjustable angle lugs and telescoping adjustable length chainstays so 
> you always have the geometry that you want. Adjustable trail forks. 
> Ultralight Unobtanium tubing. Special Rene Herse self-truing wheelset with 
> Cross-wind spokes
> Happy April Fools Day!
>
> Laing
>

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[RBW] Re: Where in the world has your Riv been?

[Gill]

Holy moly you have ridden some amazing places. I can’t name four states 
I’ve ridden in never mind four countries. Working on Canada this summer 
though (that’s sorta like another country). Thank you for the inspiration. 

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:26:15 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> In the thread 'Riding the Levees', Patrick muses about getting riding 
> photos from all over into one album. I'll just add, wouldn't it be 
> wonderful to have a photo of a Riv in every country of the world? Unlikely, 
> maybe, but Rivs have been around for a while and people do travel. I've 
> lived in a few different countries and traveled to others with my Hunq, so 
> I'll kick it off with China,  Nepal, New Zealand, and Japan. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-03-15 at 21.15.55.png]
> Jiangsu, China
>
> [image: Annapurna.jpg]
> Annapurna Circuit, Nepal
>
> [image: Motu.jpg]
> Motu, New Zealand
>
> [image: Fuji.jpg]
> Fuji, Lake Yamanako, Japan
>
> Cheers, John
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[RBW] FS Pletscher Clem Rack

[Gill]

Collecting dust. $45 + shipping from MA. 

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[RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[Gill]

Ooh, Heather just so you know I’m going to casually use that music/trail 
analogy line in future conversations and you will go uncredited. 

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 12:39:19 AM UTC-5 Heather Hayes wrote:

> Thank you all so very much for your kind words and comments! It feels like 
> my new Platy had a birthday party and everyone came to celebrate! :) 
>
> Garth, thank you for the warm welcome despite my tardiness! I too love the 
> 3x drivetrain, with the smaller jumps between gears keep the cadence more 
> consistent. Such a smooth ride!
>
> Wally, I second the motion to keep your Quickbeam orange! And there are 
> just so many great oranges to choose from, you can't go wrong.
>
> Ryan, glad to meet a fellow 'stache fan and I appreciate the affirmation 
> that I DID in fact need another Rivendell! My first one in 2020 and my 
> second one in 2021... at this rate, I better slow down! ;)
>
> Roberta, thank you so much for the RivSister welcome! Asheville is so 
> beautiful and there's so much exploring to do. I find myself riding certain 
> trails repeatedly, like playing a favorite song over and over again on a 
> piano in order to perfect the melody. But I need to break out and make new 
> music in the endless landscape of these mountains!
>
> Laura!! I'm so happy to "see" you again here on the forum! It made my 
> whole day when you shouted out PLATYPUS!!! I skidded to a stop in 
> astonishment, so surprised to meet a fellow Riv-enthusiast in the real 
> world! So glad to hear that your notion, your inkling, your "what if" is 
> now a dream (in color!) that will soon be the reality of Riv-ownership. I'm 
> sure everyone here would be happy to do some enabling toward that very 
> outcome! You won't regret it. Please keep us posted about your plans! 
>
> Leah, I remember spying that root beer Platy peeking out from the 
> periphery within the Blahg! Three color palette busting renegades, we are! 
>
> David, thank you! These are my first cantis and I'm really liking them. 
> Plus, the brake pads were orange, so how could I resist?? 
>
> Kate, congratulations on scoring a Mermaid!!! I remember your #PlatyPose 
> photo and your bike is a beauty. (Plus you made the bike hoisting look 
> effortless! I was mumbling obscenities through my teeth while holding mine 
> up, ha!) 
>
> Carl, so nice to meet a fellow Ashevillian! I believe you may have seen a 
> super-secret first-ever-taken photo of the initial build when my bike guru 
> bestie sent a sneak preview, hehe. He said you were pleased and I was 
> beaming with pride that my new Pumpkin Platy had received her very first 
> compliment! :) I love the dark gold of your Clem, which looks especially 
> regal in the snowy landscape.
>
> Liz, finding a rear bag was also difficult for me due to lack of clearance 
> over the tire. The bag on my Platy is a Nigel Smythe that I bought used 
> from a fellow Riv rider locally and I'm in love with it almost as much as 
> the bike. The scalloped leather closures fit so perfectly over the rounded, 
> brassy studs that it gives the same satisfying pop of putting a final 
> puzzle piece into place every time I latch it. I initially bought a 
> Sackville BagBoy from Riv, but alas, it was too tall. If my calculations 
> are correct, the new Sackville SlimSucker mght work for our clearance 
> challenges!
>
> I won't monopolize any more of your time this evening, but since I 
> promised my Cheviot she would get to attend the Platy Party as a special 
> guest, she will make her debut tomorrow. :) (She's rolling her eyes because 
> her flashier sister is stealing the spotlight lately!) Thanks again, 
> everyone! I'm grateful to join such a supportive community and love how 
> Rivendells bring us all together, from strangers to fellow UNracers united! 
>
> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 11:37:13 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well Laura, hope your Platypus dreams can be realized.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 5:09:16 PM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I love this thread…but perhaps I love most how wildly similar Leah and 
>>> Heather are to one another. It makes me laugh.
>>>
>>> I also love that Laura shouted out “A PLATYPUS!” to a total stranger. :)
>>>
>>> Heather, your Platy is breathtaking (and Carl, your Clem L! I love that 
>>> color)…I would be TERRIBLE at choosing my own color. Too many choices and 
>>> too overwhelming for me…I’m envious that you’re clear what you want.
>>>
>>> I’d love to know which rear bag you’re using in these images, Heather. I 
>>> think it would fit my Clem L…my seat post is so short and the space between 
>>> the seat and the rack is so shallow that not many bags seem to fit well. 
>>>
>>> Liz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 3:50:37 PM UTC-5 Carl wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Laura. Hope you're able to get a Riv sometime soon. Whichever 
 model and color you end up with, they bring a lot of joy!

 On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 

[RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[Gill]

Lovely pictures of a sharp looking bike set in a really nice neck of the 
woods. I happen to have just returned from the area and while I enjoyed the 
visit I couldn’t shake the feeling everyone in Asheville was way cooler 
than me. Your introductory post has served to strengthen this view. Look 
forward to future ride reports.

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 8:39:23 PM UTC-5 Heather Hayes wrote:

> Happy New Year to my fellow Platy people! I know I’m late to the Platy 
> party, but I just wanted to introduce myself and my Pumpkin Platypus. We’re 
> so honored to be here among the esteemed RBW Owners Bunch! I’ve been a 
> lurking wallflower on the forum for a while, and have so enjoyed watching 
> the reveals of all your lovely builds!
>
>
> Though I initially had my heart set on a mermaid Platypus when they first 
> went live back in April, the online order form had other ideas. I cracked 
> my knuckles, hovered over the purchase button, then clicked BUY NOW with 
> the authority of a seasoned judge pounding a gavel… but my mermaid 
> selection auto-changed to limeolive, dashing my aqua-colored dreams. There 
> was nary a 50cm mermaid to be found anywhere. No offense to the lovely 
> limeolive, but as a graphic designer, having a color I personally LOVED was 
> very important to me! Reframing crisis as opportunity, I decided to repaint 
> the frame a custom color. Pea soup to pumpkin bisque instead, please!
>
>
> After many, many, MANY nail-biting months of waiting, the newly painted 
> frame finally arrived. I carefully unwrapped my brand new Pumpkin Platy 
> with the same awe and enthusiasm of the father in A Christmas Story 
> unpacking his beloved leg lamp. (Though thankfully Rivendells are MUCH 
> sturdier!) ;)
>
>
> My Platy mainly enjoys conquering steeper terrain here in the beautiful 
> Blue Ridge Mountains of Asheville, NC, but still loves adventuring near 
> aquatic habitats as well. Here on the forum, the swoopy elegance of this 
> frame has aptly been likened by Leah to that of a prom dress. Set up as a 
> gravel grinder, I wanted this badass bike to sport combat boots underneath 
> the sparkly orange gown. (She’s a gorgeous prom queen, but you're also kind 
> of afraid she'll kick you in the shins!) 
>
>
> My sweet RBW blue Cheviot townie now has a fierce and fiery friend by her 
> side, and I love having not one but two Rivendells to *JUST RIDE!* 
>
> [image: Platy1.jpg][image: Platy2.jpg][image: Platy3.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Gill]

2020 Clem stock build, brooks B17, thunder burt tires, light tubes, small 
saddle bag - 31lbs. 
On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 12:34:47 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> While we’re going "arg!"...
> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be answered 
> just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>
> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her build, 
> but I guess that’s OBE.
> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their 
> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>
> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to be 
> a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or hanging 
> them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>
> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c 
> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550 
> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a bell.
> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>
> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding 
> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>
> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 crank 
> and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike, thinner 
> tubing, lighter crank.
>
> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next time 
> at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Gill]

Kai - Did you ride your Clem out to the end of the breakwater? I’ve never 
thought to do that. I’ve also never seen another Riv out in the wild so if 
ever you return to glosta give a shout out. 
Leah - The color is, “blue-green shot thru with glimmer like sunlight on 
seawater” 

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 11:26:14 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> The granite of Cape Ann!! With two TIGd Rivs (Clem in 2019 on the 
> breakwater and Rosco in 2020)
> [image: IMG_20190704_130839.jpg][image: IMG_20200904_122038.jpg]
> Happy Rolling to all
> -Kai
>

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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Gill]

So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone 
who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought 
a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability 
were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and 
now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in 
comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be 
a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the 
granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what 
you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment 
stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and 
thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is 
still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends 
freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of 
aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay 
forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero. 

Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever you 
need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot hall 
of fame bike. 

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
> relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser 
> investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative 
> with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car  would 
> you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of your own ?  
> Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design ?  While 
> most do not, many do just that. 
>
> Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are no 
> duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of 
> them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
> assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 
>
> When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt 
> like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint 
> handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my Bombadil 
> needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a custom single 
> color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, which to me was 
> worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some frame work I had 
> Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat as a sanded base to 
> paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't like the original decals 
> either so I left them off. About the only stock Riv color I've seen that I 
> liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The Susie orange is a mildly 
> burnt/dull offering. I expected something brighter . boo hoo hoo ! 
>
> Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and 
> anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint 
> over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like 
> the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given a 
> blank canvas some may find it overwhelming at first but after that 
> first step into the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well . 
> such is the Living as Life Itself. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:12:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Here's a bit of history which I think will be interesting for this thread 
>> in light of how beautiful and colorful and modernized these bicycles have 
>> become: 
>>
>> In the Blahg or Peeking Through The Knothole or whatever it was called 
>> then, the original murmurings about the new, lower cost TIG-ed Riv was that 
>> it would be painted flat black. The idea was you could use it as a beater 
>> townie and touch it up with a spray can. I think - not sure about this - 
>> the decals were going to be offered as a stick-on kit. The decal idea later 
>> - this part I remember well - was retained for the glossy-paint bikes and 
>> you were supposed to be able to have them do it for you with the regular 
>> name, plus you would get extra letters to mess about with as you wanted. 
>> But then the first frames came pre-decaled with a clearcoat and that was 
>> the end of that. Interesting, no??
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:13:50 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Btw can we discuss the first Clem pictured in this thread? I think 
>>> Leah's "eccentric" build is the coolest. One thing I can't really do with 
>>> my custom cuz of the gray/red scheme is toss other colors at it, which is 
>>> ever so slightly first-world-problems frustrating. I love the splotches of 
>>> red and orange on her blue frame, that bike POPS! ❤️李
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Ok buckle 

[RBW] Re: Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[Gill]

Expectancy bias should perhaps be factored into the equation. The Atlantis 
is a fancier more expensive bike and that fact can’t help but influence 
perceptions. As someone who has had both bikes I would contend that if you 
rode them both blindfolded (admittedly a dicey undertaking) you’d be happy 
with either and hard pressed to tell the difference. 

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
> bank account align...at least that's my hope. 
>
> I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that 
> I'm interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
> purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
> multiple Riv models.
>
> I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
> geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a 
> justification. The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the 
> difference in ride quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more 
> in my price range and I see used ones come up for sale much more 
> frequently. Obviously it's a different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but 
> it does have those crazy long stays. What's the difference in ride quality? 
> Especially if I'm riding upright.
>
> A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as 
> a commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like 
> to do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.
>
> If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
> quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those 
> too! Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often 
> am shopping online and unable to try before I buy.
>
> Thanks,
> Max
>

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Gill]

I like that picture. It well shows why it’s my favorite time of year to 
ride, and doing it on a new Clem has made it all the more enjoyable.  
On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 2:44:53 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:
>
> Guess it works better if I actually attach the photo.
> [image: Clem Improvement Tunnels.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 EricP wrote:
>
>> Very nice. Here's the new Clem in front of the St. Paul, MN Seventh 
>> Street Improvement Arches. (A National Historic Civil Engineering 
>> Landmark). The more I ride this bike, the more fun I'm having. Getting 
>> closer to having it dialed in and decked out. Not happy with the bell 
>> though. Sticks up too much. And the seatpost was slightly slipping, so it's 
>> been replaced with a black Kalloy Uno. 
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 5:44:00 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> Pic from today's ride after playing with special effects.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Image]
>>>
>>

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