Re: [RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[John Dewey]

I had a severaL great / memorable years working for RS in south central WI.
A time and place for everything, right?

Can confirm some WF issues with seatpins...of course, always smart to keep
some old beer can shims handy. And when they're too tight, not so
desirable—really scuffs up an otherwise beautiful (and $$$) Nitto bit.

Jock



On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:25 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:19:16 PM UTC-5 Zac wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm?
>
> All of the ones made under my watch were 27.2 nominally, but the W'ford
> reamer was a bit out of spec and some of them needed 27.4 posts to keep
> from slipping. I'm pretty sure the 27.2 spec stayed through the Todd Kuzma
> era.
>
> The "ears" on the Heron seat clusters will bend inward if the seat post
> bolt is over-tightened, which it has to be if you have one of the 27.4
> frames. I ended up breaking a seat post bolt because of that.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[John Dewey]

Thanks, Eric.

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 7:32 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> That's a great looking build, Michael! Sorry about all the compounded
> mechanicals. Mama said there'd be days!
>
> Jock, always nice to see one of your elegant builds.
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 10:23:09 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lovely setup.
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 8:07 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, MH. What an adventure. Plenty of fortitude and patience required.
>>> I rebuilt this one but not quite so exciting thankfully. Actually the
>>> trials and tribulations only make the bonds stronger, right? You now know
>>> the bike really well,,,inside and out.
>>>
>>> Good on ya for sticking with it.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 5:50 PM Michael Hechmer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial
>>>> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the
>>>> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>>>>
>>>> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be
>>>> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle
>>>> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to.
>>>> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to
>>>> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a
>>>> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next
>>>> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I
>>>> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem
>>>> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB,
>>>> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the
>>>> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything
>>>> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride.
>>>>
>>>> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still
>>>> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really
>>>> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth
>>>> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the
>>>> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break
>>>> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell
>>>> broke loose!
>>>>
>>>> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage
>>>> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer.
>>>> Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, where
>>>> I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was wedged
>>>>  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy Centaur
>>>> deraileur to use. Yea.
>>>>
>>>> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my
>>>> effort to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout
>>>> and neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a
>>>> bike shop.
>>>>
>>>> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part,
>>>> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some
>>>> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs
>>>> into one functioning part!
>>>>
>>>> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>>>>
>>>> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>>>>
>>>> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
>>>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

Only one data point for sure…but I’ve had terrible ‘luck’ with TPU. And my
last puncture occurred JRA on smooth pave and the startling thing was how
fast the tire deflated—instantaneously. Boom gone 

That’s it for me, for now anyway. Perhaps the tech will evolve and then
I’ll try again. I’d certainly love to ride that supple with complete
confidence.

Jock

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> Update here. I went for a couple of rides, total of 100km, on my new
> 584x48's. They certainly feel nice, and at that volume you really are
> dropping noticeable weight from each wheel. By the end of the second ride I
> was thinking the rear felt a little too cushy. A pinch test said there was
> still plenty of pressure. The next morning, though, the tire was completely
> flat. I removed the tube (quite easily, no issues), inflated it a bit, and
> it seemed to be holding air just fine. I thought that for sure I'd be able
> to see a hole in the clear tubing. I swept the inside of the tire and found
> nothing. So, mounted it back up (easy, no issues), inflated it carefully,
> and set the bike aside. A few hours later I checked and it had lost a lot
> of pressure. So, took it out again (easy, no issues), inflated it and
> started running it through a sink full of water. I finally found a very
> tiny leak. Checking the tire in that location I found a tiny bit of wire in
> the outer tread of the tire but couldn't feel it on the inside. Removed the
> wire, marked the leak location on the tube, wiped with alcohol (removing my
> mark in the process, of course), and after it dried put on a Park glueless
> (I like that my Mac autocorrected that to clueless) patch, praying I put it
> in the right location. I put on the patch with air in the tire, figuring
> it's best not to stretch the patch area too much. Installed again (easy, no
> issues), inflated, and set the bike aside. We'll see if the patch is
> successful. Even if it is, though, I think the "TPU tubes are less prone to
> flats" argument seems to be debunked. Which is too bad. I really want to
> like these, but the rationale is dwindling in my experience.
>
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> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Dewey  wrote:

> Well, as a flyweight I figured I’m perfect candidate and installed Cyclami
> TPU…punctured several times right out of the box. We live in the mountains
> with long descents, and my experience gave me pause. BTW, time between
> punctures in my world is often measured in years. This riding Open Pro rims
> with Conti 5000 @ 32mm 60ish psi.
>
> I reinstalled the light butyl I had been using for peace pf mind. My sense
> is that, tho at first I thought / imagined snappier ride, after
> reinstalling butyl I’m thinking it was mostly my lively imagination.
>
> Just another data point…YMMV as always.
>
> Jock @ safe better than sorry
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:25 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Steve, are you using them on your Riv or another bike? I was under the
>> impression that TPU tubes were recommended for disc brakes only - I assume
>> due to the heat generated by rim brakes? I’m curious about them, but don’t
>> really have the right application for them in my stable.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm
>> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up
>> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes
>> I've ever used.
>>
>>
>> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route,
>> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My
>> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a
>> tubeless setup.
>>
>> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given
>> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them
>> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch
>> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>>
>>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels -
>> but that wasn't my main objective.
>>
>> Steve
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

Well, as a flyweight I figured I’m perfect candidate and installed Cyclami
TPU…punctured several times right out of the box. We live in the mountains
with long descents, and my experience gave me pause. BTW, time between
punctures in my world is often measured in years. This riding Open Pro rims
with Conti 5000 @ 32mm 60ish psi.

I reinstalled the light butyl I had been using for peace pf mind. My sense
is that, tho at first I thought / imagined snappier ride, after
reinstalling butyl I’m thinking it was mostly my lively imagination.

Just another data point…YMMV as always.

Jock @ safe better than sorry

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:25 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Steve, are you using them on your Riv or another bike? I was under the
> impression that TPU tubes were recommended for disc brakes only - I assume
> due to the heat generated by rim brakes? I’m curious about them, but don’t
> really have the right application for them in my stable.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm
> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up
> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes
> I've ever used.
>
>
> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route,
> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My
> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a
> tubeless setup.
>
> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given
> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them
> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch
> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>
>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels -
> but that wasn't my main objective.
>
> Steve
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:25 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Steve, are you using them on your Riv or another bike? I was under the
> impression that TPU tubes were recommended for disc brakes only - I assume
> due to the heat generated by rim brakes? I’m curious about them, but don’t
> really have the right application for them in my stable.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm
> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up
> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes
> I've ever used.
>
>
> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route,
> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My
> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a
> tubeless setup.
>
> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given
> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them
> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch
> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>
>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels -
> but that wasn't my main objective.
>
> Steve
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - 9spd Dura Ace downtube shifters

[John Dewey]

Who among us has used Dura-Ace 9-speed dt levers long enough to ‘wear them
out’?

And if so, how long?

Jock

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:28 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

Also, you can get brand new 9sp bar cons from Rivendell at $140, and
elsewhere for a few dollars less.  Some people run bar cons on their down
tube shifter bosses, and they work long fine.


>  FYI, Grant tells me that he thinks Shimano has stopped making the 9sp
> bar-end shifters "after 25 or 26 years of making them". Get 'em while you
> can, and expect the price to get eye-watering.
>
> And, yes, you can run them on the down tube. Interesting bit of RBW
> history ... I pointed this out to Grant a long time ago, and that the
> opposite was true, that downtube shifters could be mounted on Shimano
> bar-end pods. And thus were born the Silver 1 bar-end shifters.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[John Dewey]

Roberta, have you experimented with a cut-out saddle?

Jock

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:20 AM Roberta  wrote:

> The Philadelphia Trek store can measure sits bones. Perhaps there is one
> near you to give you some direction?
>
> I prefer a flat top like the B68 to a rounder top B17. I also have wide
> sits bones, so B17 too narrow for me.   I tilt the saddle nose up, so I’m
> sitting on the flat back part of the saddle.  Otherwise I slide to the
> front sitting on the nose part, and that is very irritating.  Where are you
> sitting on the saddle?
>
> Also take notice where the seams of your underwear are when you’re riding
> as sit bones on seams are irritating.
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle
>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended
>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited
>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C
>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a
>> saddle that won't hurt.
>>
>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic,
>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of
>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a
>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for
>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured.
>>
>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly
>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I
>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it
>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot
>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you
>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable?
>>
>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for
>> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I have questions

[John Dewey]

Hey, Ted…

Curious—what do you mean by ‘West Coast’ Sam?

Is that a bike you leave somewhere on the left coast? And if so…where? Bay
area perchance?

Best / John Dewey

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:51 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 8:10:14 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>  Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road ride pace?
>
> Yes. I have Rene Herse 48mm tires on my Breadwinner G-Road, Gravel King
> (smooth) 48mm on West Coast Sam, and Ultradynamico 48mm tires on East Coast
> Sam, and 15-17mph is pretty much my normal pace on all of them. The Gravel
> Kings require only a bit more effort than the RH tires. The Ultradynamico
> tires require noticeably more effort, but it's not like they're boat
> anchors. I've done a couple of 20mph rides on the Breadwinner. My Rivendell
> Road recently went from 26 to 32mm (though they measure 29 on the skinny
> rims) tires. It's easier to ride at 20mph on that bike, but only marginally
> so.
>
>
> What are people using to charge phones on long rides away from home?
>
> For my Breadwinner I spent a lot of time thinking about and designing a
> flexible generator-light-charging setup, and I'm very happy with the
> result. The coaxial wire from the hub ends in a quick-connector behind the
> fork crown. Normally my headlight (Supernova E3 pro 2) plugs into that, and
> the tail light plugs into the headlight. If I want to charge something, I
> have a Sinewave Revolution that can plug into the generator instead of the
> headlight. That leaves me without lights, but I also can plug the lights
> into a USB power source. Supernova says the lights won't run off a battery,
> but the 5v from the battery is more than enough. They aren't at their full
> brightness, but they are plenty bright for most conditions. I prefer having
> a headlight with a properly shaped beam (sorry, Beacon), and you can't
> really generate enough watts to run both a light and charge a phone,
> anyway. And besides, reasonably lightweight USB power sources are cheap and
> easy. The one I have is only a few ounces and can charge my phone 3x. And I
> can recharge it from my generator hub if I want. In fact, theoretically I
> can connect both the generator and the lights to the battery, and it will
> charge the battery as the battery is powering the lights. I haven't tested
> that to see if the generator makes enough power to run the lights and still
> add to the battery charge level.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[John Dewey]

@ http://disraeligears.co.uk/…well I suppose if you pedal around in a
saltwater bath, like some of those unfortunate souls…that might happen.

For those us who ride under sunny skies now and again—and take care of
stuff properly—I can tell you that after years and years of working those
mechs, never a mixed-up shift that wasn’t my doing and not even a
microscopic spot of corrosion to be found anywhere.

Total hooey I say. And I’ve got the goods to prove it 浪

Jock


On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:15 PM Chintan Jadwani 
wrote:

> Another question - from a couple of reviews here people seem indifference
> of the performance between low vs high normal. But online elsewhwre, there
> seems to be strong dislike for low normal - why is that?
>
> For example - disraeligears.co.uk writes for the xt m760
>
> "The Shimano Deore XT (M760) is my absolutely least favourite Deore XT
> variant. It has cheap (rust prone) detailing, unnecessary styling and,
> worst of all, it’s low normal. not your obvious choice for slogging your
> way through the mud and grime of a British winter. Bring back stainless
> steel small parts, polished finishes and top normal operating logic."
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar, 2024, 5:07 am John Dewey,  wrote:
>
>> And the Rivendell ‘fan base’ is a subset of another and another so as to
>> be mostly inconsequential. We do count, however and a few brave souls do
>> sort-of OK serving us.
>>
>> Nevertheless, most of us (even here in RBW’s backyard) seldom cross paths
>> with cyclists with whom we have anything in common other than two wheels.
>> We’re already a bit abnormal and ‘low-normal’ makes us even more so.
>>
>> Jock (and his fleet of abnormal low-normals)
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Johnny Alien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have to think that most of the market for these is from the Rivendell
>>> fan base. I don't hear any other bike group talking about them at all.
>>> Because of that I kind of think IF Riv ends up bringing their new one to
>>> market the used scene will come WAY down. Just a theory. I really hope that
>>> I can test the theory (because they successfully release it)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the replies :) Now that I know of the RR, every time
>>>> I am on an uphill and I have to push the gear to climb higher on the
>>>> cassette I feel some justification for having a "low-normal" derailleur.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks also for clarifying that any of these will work well.
>>>>
>>>> The RR will also hypothetically make life a little easier in
>>>> introducing a friend to front and rear shifting- why does the same action
>>>> push the bike to a higher gear in the front and lower gear in the rear (I
>>>> forget too..)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 20:58, Miles Payton  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I got a used XTR M951 long cage derailleur for a song on ebay a few
>>>>> months ago. Maybe there's not much demand? The seller gave me a half off
>>>>> offer so I couldn't refuse. Anyway it works great and it appears they're
>>>>> usually $50-80 depending on the condition. Not bad for what was once a
>>>>> top-of-the-line derailleur. I'd just avoid the NOS stuff because that's
>>>>> where you start spending $200 or more.
>>>>> I've been plenty happy with mine. It's paired to Gevenalle 10 speed
>>>>> shifters on my Atlantis. I can't speak to replacement parts but it 
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> be expensive to replace, and my old M900 hasn't needed more than a rebuild
>>>>> in 20 years. They're pretty well-made.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60
>>>>>> ideally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs
>>>>>> that one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were 
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where
>>>>>> replacements are available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952
>>>>>> around that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the
>>>>>> prices rise ve

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[John Dewey]

And the Rivendell ‘fan base’ is a subset of another and another so as to be
mostly inconsequential. We do count, however and a few brave souls do
sort-of OK serving us.

Nevertheless, most of us (even here in RBW’s backyard) seldom cross paths
with cyclists with whom we have anything in common other than two wheels.
We’re already a bit abnormal and ‘low-normal’ makes us even more so.

Jock (and his fleet of abnormal low-normals)

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I have to think that most of the market for these is from the Rivendell
> fan base. I don't hear any other bike group talking about them at all.
> Because of that I kind of think IF Riv ends up bringing their new one to
> market the used scene will come WAY down. Just a theory. I really hope that
> I can test the theory (because they successfully release it)
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the replies :) Now that I know of the RR, every time I
>> am on an uphill and I have to push the gear to climb higher on the cassette
>> I feel some justification for having a "low-normal" derailleur.
>>
>> Thanks also for clarifying that any of these will work well.
>>
>> The RR will also hypothetically make life a little easier in introducing
>> a friend to front and rear shifting- why does the same action push the bike
>> to a higher gear in the front and lower gear in the rear (I forget too..)
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 20:58, Miles Payton  wrote:
>>
>>> I got a used XTR M951 long cage derailleur for a song on ebay a few
>>> months ago. Maybe there's not much demand? The seller gave me a half off
>>> offer so I couldn't refuse. Anyway it works great and it appears they're
>>> usually $50-80 depending on the condition. Not bad for what was once a
>>> top-of-the-line derailleur. I'd just avoid the NOS stuff because that's
>>> where you start spending $200 or more.
>>> I've been plenty happy with mine. It's paired to Gevenalle 10 speed
>>> shifters on my Atlantis. I can't speak to replacement parts but it wouldn't
>>> be expensive to replace, and my old M900 hasn't needed more than a rebuild
>>> in 20 years. They're pretty well-made.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60
 ideally.

 Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs
 that one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were there
 differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where
 replacements are available?

 I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952
 around that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the
 prices rise very quickly!

 Thanks a lot for guiding :)
 Chintan

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

Rich, et. al.

One of my RBWs—Sakuki—came to me as 2nd owner, but it was NOS. I'm not sure
it had seen the pave.

When it arrived, it was equipped with PAUL centerpulls. I know they work
well, but to my eye they were way out of proportion. So I sold them and
installed Dia Compe as seen on yours. They look at home on the silver
'dawg'..and with salmon pads, stop just fine.

JD



On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:10 AM R Shannon  wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> Amateur lighting in the photograph. Paint is the Sage Green Riv offered on
> a run of 2014 Sams. Part of that run had cream paint on the head tubes but
> I opted out of that one.
> In another life it has been a workhorse like your Sam. Versatile bikes
> aren't they?
>
> Regarding the DiaCompe centerpulls. I like them. They look good and
> function as well as I could expect. In fact, this bike has also run Tektro
> long reach calipers which worked well enough too. I realize brakes like
> saddles or handlebars are in the YMMV category. You indicated CX-70 cantis
> are on your Sam. I have used those with much success too on a
> previously owned Atlantis. Currently installing CX-50s on another bike. I
> hope that helps.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 9:09 PM john Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Custom paint, Rich?
>>
>> How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running
>> cantilevers on my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to
>> hustle a second sam in “fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your
>> approval, of course).
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement,
>> give a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
>>
>> [image: IMG_0781.jpg]
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @laing
>>>
>>> Well.
>>>
>>> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in
>>> leather saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and
>>> informed them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too
>>> many bicycles" and related nonsense.
>>>
>>> Thanks for this!
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them

 [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
 [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]

 Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I
 finally got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was
 10 cm longer than the seat tube.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot
> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you
> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect
> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for
> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than
> the other one.
>
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5
> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a
> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, 
> if
> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking
> for.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully
>> about what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on
>> the differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking 
>> for
>> a Ram.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

John, brakes are Ultegra. Light action, yet lots of power.

Jock

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?
>
> -John
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.
>>
>> Epiphany!
>>
>> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as
>> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a
>>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35
>>> tires.
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current
>>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick -
>>>>>
>>>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Corwni
>>>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the
>>>>>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>>>>>> (Rivendell
>>>>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
>>>>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology
>>>>>>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>>>>>>> rides
>>>>>>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to
>>>>>>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that
>>>>>>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone
>>>>>>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and
>>>>>>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>>>>>>> choice,
>>>>>>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, 
>>>>>>> though I
>>>>>>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini
>>>>>>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>>>>>>> size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
>>>>>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>>>>>>> rides.
>>>>>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
>>>>>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>>>>>>> riding?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
>>>>>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.

Epiphany!

A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as
beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Jock






On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a
> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35
> tires.
> Mike SLO CA
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current
>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
 road/roady-ish bikes

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 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size.
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides.
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[John Dewey]

All you folk’s nearby lucky. Just a little too far for us. When I was
working in GA for Tifosi, those shows were always such great times. Def not
work.

Jock

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 4:02 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> It's such a great event, I'm sad work got in the way and I cannot attend
> his year.
>
> Be sure to talk to all the vendors you have patronized in the past or
> quietly objectify. It's a fine collection of people who are about bicycles
> that trade shows of the past weren't. The accessibility and warmth of so
> many of these folks, even big names, will surprise you.
>
> Take and post lots of pictures!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>
>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will
>> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone
>> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.
>>
>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and
>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>
>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>
>> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[John Dewey]

U R welcome, Steve. The Velominati Rules are a hoot. Required reading 4
sure.

And do not mess with the rules 浪 !!!

Jock

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:55 PM Steve  wrote:

> I sheepishly asked "What is this rule #8...?"
> Now I know -- and not just #8, but all 95 of them!  Thank you Bill & John
> Dewey for the illuminating me about the Velominati --- but now I can't stop
> giggling.
>
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:31:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Yes, I've modified my Wahoo mount to bolt on to that boss.  I have that
>> feature on two of my three custom Nobilette stems.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it
>>> would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm
>>> guessing for a GPS mount?
>>>
>>> Collin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning
>>>> at Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no
>>>> commentary (yet):
>>>>
>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[John Dewey]

https://www.velominati.com


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:20 AM Steve  wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule
>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[John Dewey]

Indeed, Joe. We’re 3 times RAGBRAI finishers and it has to be included in
all discussions of greatest cycling experiences ever. Just nothing like it.

So many delightfully crazy happy folks on every kind of bicycle
imaginable.  Party (or not) every night, jump off the bridge into a mucky
creek, maybe even meet the Pork Chop man (if he’s still hawking). And then
the guy who rides ‘bareback’. That is without seatpost—no seatpost means no
saddle of course 浪 You can’t make this stuff up!

Mile after milefull of great entertainment.

Go for it.

Jock

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 5:19 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'm not sure why we would question why someone would want to do a well
> known ride after seeing a film about it. She wants to do it because it's
> interesting to her.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:02:11 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Not sure why you'd want to go through the trouble to travel all the way
>> over to the Western end of Iowa for this ride particular ride given the
>> distance to get there, the logistics, accommodation issues and the sheer
>> mass of riders (some of whom seem to like to stop at every bar along a
>> portion of a daily route until they're so inebriated that they crash into
>> trees, etc., vehicles that have run over cyclists in sleeping bags, etc.)
>> just for the notoriety when you could enjoy a multiple number of great
>> rides right in your own backyard, so to speak.  Have you considered
>> https://lmb.org/events/ride-calendar/?
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 6:47:36 PM UTC-6 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I took the opportunity to ride the first day of RAGBRAI last summer. I
>>> live in eastern Nebraska. I happened to be off that weekend, heard it was
>>> starting that weekend and that it was the 50th anniversary of the ride. Had
>>> always thought of doing at least the first day, but never took the
>>> opportunity to look into it and would find out the morning of when local
>>> news would do reports on it. I took the opportunity. I enjoyed it, even if
>>> I tried to bite off too much in the process. I think if you are going to do
>>> the whole thing you best look at the dates and locations and figure out
>>> hotel/motel stays now. It is not a race, but definitely get conditioned for
>>> the heat, humidity and hills before hand. My plan was to ride to the second
>>> to last city location and double back in order to get in a century. I fell
>>> short of that and wished I would have just rode to the end city and called
>>> it a day. First day miles to the end city was 77. I estimated I did about
>>> 64 miles in my attempt to ride back to Sioux City. Sag truck ended up
>>> taking me to Storm Lake, IA where and I ended calling out a mayday to a
>>> friend to pick me up and get me back to Sioux City to my car.
>>>
>>> I rode my Rivendell Mountain because I felt it would be the most
>>> comfortable with it's Softride suspension stem and Thudbuster Uni-Pivot
>>> post. The next bike I was considering was the OX Brand Ti Cruiser 29er. Got
>>> some compliments on the Riv. Ran into some fellow RBW/iBOB members and
>>> chatted for a bit.
>>>
>>> The logistics can be much. Deciding if you want to park on the west Iowa
>>> and get shuttled back after or park in east Iowa and have your
>>> transportation handy once it is done. Ran into some folks at the first day
>>> stop. One gal had threw in the towel after the first 5 or so miles. She
>>> ended up hitching a ride to the final to retrieve her vehicle so her and
>>> the rest of her group could could use it for camping purposes the rest of
>>> the ride.
>>>
>>> Amtrak does run through the state out of Chicago going to California,
>>> The Omaha station will probably be the closest one the start location. One
>>> of the folks I chatted with said she had a friend that took Amtrak to Omaha
>>> and rode from Omaha to Sioux City to start the ride.
>>>
>>> Good luck with getting things figured out.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Who knows about Bike Film Festival?

 I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money
 well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard
 of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure
 out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And
 I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene
 AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even
 know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!

 There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a
 “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state
 after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike
 in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with

Re: [RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[John Dewey]

And it is the David Byrne, after all.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 6:42 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe not the best, but pretty good considering that whole psycho-killer
> business..  And the celebrity one is most likely to see on an N-YC bike
> path!
> So yeah, good article, better bike.
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:15:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the article, Kai.  It wasn't the best-written article I have
>> ever read, but there is a lot of fun cultural history content in there.
>>
>> Pink for the win!
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:57:15 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a good bike, and a great color. The lawyer lips were lost in
>>> transit? Or that’s a semi custom option?
>>> Here’s a great essay by David Byrne on Pink, if you’re interested-
>>> https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/11/byrne.php
>>> Enjoy!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to
 Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my
 color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/

 It's getting real

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Items Brakes, Seatposts, Saddles, Derailleurs

[John Dewey]

Mike, I’ll take it! How to pay?

Thanks, Jock

On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 10:31 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Hi Jock
>
> Yes, XC Pro FD available
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 10:08:32 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Mike, if the XC PRO front D is still around, I’ll take it!
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 9:21 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello folks
>>>
>>> Both B17s
>>> Paul skewers
>>> Diacompe 750 brakes
>>> Crystal Fella post
>>> Sanyo Gen set
>>> 105 RD
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 11:31:17 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Folks
>>>>
>>>> Some bits from parting out the Monstercross, other items that just seem
>>>> to pile up. Some of the parts you may recognize, boomerang!  PDF
>>>> compilation of parts photos.  Ask for the source photos if needed.  Combine
>>>> parts to economize on shipping. If you feel the asking price is too high,
>>>> please make an offer.  Price includes shipping.
>>>>
>>>>  Campy GS crank, 170 length, 144 BCD, w/ 45 t ring. Threads in good
>>>> condition. $40
>>>>
>>>> Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32
>>>> hole, NIB $220
>>>>
>>>> Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120
>>>>
>>>> B17s, brown with copper rivets. $65 each, or $100 for both.
>>>>
>>>> Suntour Superbe Pro 170 crank, 130 BCD, 53-39 rings. $40
>>>>
>>>> Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20
>>>>
>>>> Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20
>>>>
>>>> SR Custom seatpost, 27.2 uncut.  $15
>>>>
>>>> Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost. 27.2, uncut. $40
>>>>
>>>> Suntour XC Pro FD, 28.6. Chrome good condition. $25
>>>>
>>>> Shimano 105 long cage RD, RD-5501. $25
>>>>
>>>> Also have a short cage Tiagra. $15
>>>>
>>>> Paul Components skewers, black with orange, one bike’s worth
>>>> 100/135. $90
>>>>
>>>> Dia Compe Royal Gran Compe brakes 47-57 mm reach, no pads. Recessed,
>>>> all hardware.  $40
>>>>
>>>> Paul Components brakes, 1 bike’s worth. Touring Canti and Neo Retro,
>>>> silver, dual compound Koolstop pads. straddle cables, red hangers.  $165
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dia Compe 750 Centerpull brakes, NIB, 62-78 mm reach, no pads. Nutted,
>>>> all hardware.  $45
>>>>
>>>> Avid Shorty cantis 1 bike’s worth. Koolstop/Tektro pads. Missing one
>>>> barrel for QR end, no straddle cables. $20
>>>>
>>>> Shimano 1 speed FW 3/32 pitch 18 t, SF-MX30  $15
>>>>
>>>> Campagnolo Silca Pump metal head  $25
>>>>
>>>> Sanyo chainstay generator. NIB, includes wires, brackets, front/rear
>>>> lights, manual  $25
>>>>
>>>> Ephemera, instruction/sales page for Christrophe toe clips. Raleigh
>>>> tire pressure gauge, bag of zinc coated steel cables, good for making
>>>> flexible straddle cables.
>>>>
>>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Items Brakes, Seatposts, Saddles, Derailleurs

[John Dewey]

Mike, if the XC PRO front D is still around, I’ll take it!

Jock

On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 9:21 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Hello folks
>
> Both B17s
> Paul skewers
> Diacompe 750 brakes
> Crystal Fella post
> Sanyo Gen set
> 105 RD
>
> Mike SLO CA
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 11:31:17 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks
>>
>> Some bits from parting out the Monstercross, other items that just seem
>> to pile up. Some of the parts you may recognize, boomerang!  PDF
>> compilation of parts photos.  Ask for the source photos if needed.  Combine
>> parts to economize on shipping. If you feel the asking price is too high,
>> please make an offer.  Price includes shipping.
>>
>>  Campy GS crank, 170 length, 144 BCD, w/ 45 t ring. Threads in good
>> condition. $40
>>
>> Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 hole,
>> NIB $220
>>
>> Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120
>>
>> B17s, brown with copper rivets. $65 each, or $100 for both.
>>
>> Suntour Superbe Pro 170 crank, 130 BCD, 53-39 rings. $40
>>
>> Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20
>>
>> Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20
>>
>> SR Custom seatpost, 27.2 uncut.  $15
>>
>> Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost. 27.2, uncut. $40
>>
>> Suntour XC Pro FD, 28.6. Chrome good condition. $25
>>
>> Shimano 105 long cage RD, RD-5501. $25
>>
>> Also have a short cage Tiagra. $15
>>
>> Paul Components skewers, black with orange, one bike’s worth 100/135. $90
>>
>>
>> Dia Compe Royal Gran Compe brakes 47-57 mm reach, no pads. Recessed, all
>> hardware.  $40
>>
>> Paul Components brakes, 1 bike’s worth. Touring Canti and Neo Retro,
>> silver, dual compound Koolstop pads. straddle cables, red hangers.  $165
>>
>> Dia Compe 750 Centerpull brakes, NIB, 62-78 mm reach, no pads. Nutted,
>> all hardware.  $45
>>
>> Avid Shorty cantis 1 bike’s worth. Koolstop/Tektro pads. Missing one
>> barrel for QR end, no straddle cables. $20
>>
>> Shimano 1 speed FW 3/32 pitch 18 t, SF-MX30  $15
>>
>> Campagnolo Silca Pump metal head  $25
>>
>> Sanyo chainstay generator. NIB, includes wires, brackets, front/rear
>> lights, manual  $25
>>
>> Ephemera, instruction/sales page for Christrophe toe clips. Raleigh tire
>> pressure gauge, bag of zinc coated steel cables, good for making flexible
>> straddle cables.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Brake cables and housing

[John Dewey]

Thanks for kind words, doremus1.

Jock

On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 5:04 PM aeroperf  wrote:

> Every 5000 miles the cables on my Sam get cleaned and lubed with Phils
> Tenacious Oil.
>
> John Dewey - that is an outstanding photograph.
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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[John Dewey]

Thanks for the clarification, Robert.

It's nice to have someone with the *actually* f*actual* cred chime in. And
also delighted to know that I'm not wasting all that effort as I put the
horse up at the end of the day.

Jock

On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 7:19 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> I'm a metallurgist and licensed PE - relaxing RD spring absolutely extends
> spring life.
>
> OP's question - Microshift R10 (made by Sun XCD)
>
> https://www.charlottecycles.com/product/microshift-r10-rear-derailleur-377496-1.htm
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 11:08:38 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> BTW, another little 'pro' tip 
>>
>> When you put your bike up, release tension on RD by shifting to the end
>> so that spring is relaxed. For sure, I have no empirical evidence this
>> extends spring life / strength, but it can't hurt, right?
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:56 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Robert, I've been shifting with XT M760 RR on JD bikes for many years.
>>> No derailleur envy or interest in experimenting with other systems. I
>>> collected them and so very happy I did. They were plentiful and reasonably
>>> priced...until they weren't.
>>>
>>> Grant is now building RR rear mechs, too, as I bet y'all know. It's
>>> beneficial to have the power going up the cassette when you need the extra
>>> juice.
>>>
>>> BTW, YMMV...but I'm not so good at shifting back & forth, i.e. moving
>>> from RR / normal / RR / normal. I find it difficult to switch habits.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:05 AM Robert Blunt  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano
>>>> 9 speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and
>>>> which has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
>>>> Robert Blunt
>>>> Pennington NJ
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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[John Dewey]

BTW, another little 'pro' tip 

When you put your bike up, release tension on RD by shifting to the end so
that spring is relaxed. For sure, I have no empirical evidence this extends
spring life / strength, but it can't hurt, right?

Jock

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:56 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Robert, I've been shifting with XT M760 RR on JD bikes for many years. No
> derailleur envy or interest in experimenting with other systems. I
> collected them and so very happy I did. They were plentiful and reasonably
> priced...until they weren't.
>
> Grant is now building RR rear mechs, too, as I bet y'all know. It's
> beneficial to have the power going up the cassette when you need the extra
> juice.
>
> BTW, YMMV...but I'm not so good at shifting back & forth, i.e. moving from
> RR / normal / RR / normal. I find it difficult to switch habits.
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:05 AM Robert Blunt  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9
>> speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which
>> has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington NJ
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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[John Dewey]

Robert, I've been shifting with XT M760 RR on JD bikes for many years. No
derailleur envy or interest in experimenting with other systems. I
collected them and so very happy I did. They were plentiful and reasonably
priced...until they weren't.

Grant is now building RR rear mechs, too, as I bet y'all know. It's
beneficial to have the power going up the cassette when you need the extra
juice.

BTW, YMMV...but I'm not so good at shifting back & forth, i.e. moving from
RR / normal / RR / normal. I find it difficult to switch habits.

Jock

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:05 AM Robert Blunt  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9
> speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which
> has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikeshop A-Hole Video

[John Dewey]

Troop 21 BSA, many Lake Mills campouts. We even rode our 3-speeds with gear
one time.

Brain workin’ hard today, whew  And this after cold dark wet NorCal ride
this aft. I need a long hot shower & nap.

Jock

On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 3:30 PM Bob  wrote:

> Fairly sure he's in Lake Mills, WI: https://gibsbikes.com/
>
> His All-Rounder can also be seen here,
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CUd84lVNlD-, and elsewhere on his Instagram
> account: @bikefarmer
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>
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 3:49:19 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> Steve, your question about his location. It appears to be Wisconsin. Note
>> the BKEFRMR license plate at 2:26 in the video.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 5:12:13 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing Doug. It was refreshing to hear a shop owner critique
>>> high end race bikes. Any idea where the guy's shop is located?  His
>>> personal All Rounder looked pretty sharp.
>>>
>>> Steve in Asheville
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 8:14:34 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 It's a fun video despite the title and if you watch the whole thing
 you'll even see a Rivendell All Rounder for a few seconds. I thought you
 all might enjoy this on the heels of Bike Snob's Outside article. It's in
 the same vein. Enjoy. Video
 
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[RBW] Schmidt Dyno

[John Dewey]

Y'all, seeking collective wisdom.

What's a new Schmidts K179 6V-3W Dyno hub worth? 

I have one 4 sale, it's takeoff with no evidence of wear / tear @ 32 hole. 
Not NOS but might a well be.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[John Dewey]

I snapped a shot one RAGBRAI of a bank clock at 6 pm sharp. Still 106F.
Thank goodness for plenty of cold beer.

Jock

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:50 PM Sarah Carlson 
wrote:

> Just watched the RAGBRAI documentary and can totally understand how you
> could be called to join a community of riders who support each other
> through an exciting challenge. It makes me want to go too except for
> when I heard one of the guys commenting, "It's 105 degrees." That gave me
> pause!
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:33:07 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival?
>>
>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money
>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard
>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure
>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And
>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene
>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even
>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>
>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a
>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state
>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike
>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with
>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the
>> others?
>>
>> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of
>> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on.
>> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many
>> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>>
>> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really
>> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s
>> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[John Dewey]

Yikes, when did I start? In my mid-60s I suppose, thereabouts. Got 75
coming up later this month. I’m ready for it so should be good to go. An
old fart in Athens, whose name I can’t recall, had a good group ride-along
on his 84-miler. I’d be happy with that now.

Trouble with getting older is the years come in hot and then they fly by.
Best to forget about it…pay no attention…oh yea, good luck with that 浪

Jock

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 9:22 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Jock said "but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on this
> years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just
> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backward
> At what age did you start?  How long did it go?  and when did you decide
> for yourself that you can no longer do it?  I definitely see riding 100
> miles on my 100th birthday would be worthy of national news.  80 miles on
> my 80th also seems a stretch.  70 miles on my 70th I absolutely won't
> concede unless something bad happens to me, health-wise.  There are TONS of
> SFRandonneurs riders well into their 70s doing 200k brevets like nothing
> more than an honest-day's-work.  I want to be like them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on
>> this years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just
>> doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards.
>>
>> My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle
>> mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt
>> und too late schmart’.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism
>>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e.
>>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the
>>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>>
>>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable,
>>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has
>>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm
>>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>>> *something
>>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a
>>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny
>>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking
>>> W's.
>>>
>>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>>
>>> 10,000km ridden
>>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my
>>> birthday as a regular event
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[John Dewey]

All worthy goals…but beware the ‘ride your age’ program. I embarked on this
years ago and found we too quickly reach the point where the math just
doesn’t look so good…i.e. it’s all backwards.

My grandfather, who taught me all I ever needed to know about bicycle
mechanics, had a goofy plaque over his workbench: ‘Vee get too soon oldt
und too late schmart’.

Jock

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> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on
> how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average
> 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity:
> i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>
> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable,
> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has
> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm
> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
> *something
> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good
> thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T.
> goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.
>
> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>
> 10,000km ridden
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my
> birthday as a regular event
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[John Dewey]

Thanks, Paul & old pal, Rich. I appreciate the kind words. This all brings
me great joy.

Jock

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:05 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Jock Dewey, That bike is a vision of the perfectly proportioned bicycle in
> my opinion. Uncluttered, though there is a place for utilitarian racks,
> bags, etc. on bikes for other uses than the pure joy of riding. A lot of
> thought went into it, obviously, from the quietly understated color to the
> wheels, fenders, even the Acorn bag!  (Great backdrop too! How about a
> "Dewey bikes" calendar in 2025?)
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:58:49 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here’s CA winter yesterday…grey day by the bay.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 2:04 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I guess I'm back up for starting the thread.
>>>
>>> We haven't had much winter weather here, meaning no real snow, yet. A
>>> couple of days ago we had a beautiful, sunny day, temps around 40, and (for
>>> us) not a lot of wind. I took advantage and did the
>>> round-the-city-mostly-bike-paths loop. This is on the Hank Aaron trail.
>>> American Family Field isn't seeing much use these days, but it's just a
>>> handful of weeks before pitchers and catchers report down south.
>>> [image: IMG_1825.jpeg]
>>>
>>> A bit more blustery and a bit of sleet yesterday, but I managed to sneak
>>> in a bit of a ride. Today pal Kurt and I did a 100km effort. Forecast was
>>> for temps around 30 and some sunshine. You can see how that turned out.
>>> I'll take 100km on 1/1, though! Kurt's riding his Gunnar Sport. I bet that
>>> bike has over 30,000 kms on it, including an epic 200km on a bitter cold
>>> January 31st, to get him an R-12 just under the wire.
>>> [image: IMG_1829.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultegra 9spd long cage range

[John Dewey]

Holy smokes, all our bikes are set up with 9-speed mid-cage Shimano rd’s
and all handle 33 front / 32 rear with aplomb. I would think long-cage
handles almost any crazy thing in back.

Jock

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:47 PM Cody Marvin  wrote:

> I have one with an 11-30 cassette and it works well.
>
> Cody, Chicago
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 5:42 PM dylan green 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jeremy - I was definitely hoping an 11-32 would be OK.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:35 PM Jeremy Till 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Generally, with Shimano road derailleurs the short and long cage
>>> versions usually had about the same max cog specification, around 27 or
>>> 28t. The difference was that the longer cage one had enough capacity that
>>> it could handle a triple in front.
>>>
>>> The general consensus around here is that Shimano derailleur
>>> capacity/max cog specifications are usually a little bit on the
>>> conservative side, and many have successfully used them with larger rear
>>> cogs than those for which they were specified. If it were mine, I'd be
>>> tempted to see if it could shift something like an 11-32 cassette.
>>>
>>> -Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:14:12 PM UTC-8 dylantho...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a 6500 series Ultegra RD with a long cage. Anyone know the range
 of cassette I should be able to work with? I believe the short cage can
 take 28, but I can't find the long cage max anywhere...any help is
 appreciated!
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Re: [RBW] Re: 135mm hub rear wheel in a roadini?

[John Dewey]

John Dewey
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BTW, regarding spreading the rear.

Just a word of caution, not sure I'd advise this unless you're adventurous
and/or experienced...or crazy.

Or all of the above. And, as always, YMMV.

Jock

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:57 AM R. Alexis  wrote:

> Check with Rivendell to see if this a safe option. I would think it is. I
> have a mix of both 130 and 135 OLD bikes in the mix with a few 140mm. My
> 1987 Schwinn Voyageur is 130mm that I have a 132.5 wheelset mounted on.
> Pretty sure the frame was 126mm OLD prior to me getting it. Settled on that
> on the wheel to give me the option of going in a 130 or 135mm OLD frame. I
> have about several bikes with 130mm OLD. Bridgestone MB-0 (Zip),
> Bridgestone XO-1, Bianchi Perigrine, Schwinn High Plains Aluminum and the
> Schwinn Voyageur. Wanted to spread the Zip to 135, but was cautioned not
> to. The Schwinn High Plains Aluminum is a no go because of the aluminum.
> Both Zip and XO-1 are using Mavic Paris Gao Dakar  hubs. Bianchi is rolling
> on some Specialized sealed bearing freewheel hubs and the Schwinn is
> rolling on Shimano Deore DX hubs I swapped out axles and redished down to
> 130mm OLD. Voyageur is running Suntour Superbe Pro.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:30:22 PM UTC-6 brenton...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I am considering buying a Roadini frame to build up with a mix of
>> new/old/bin parts.
>>
>> I have a Velocity Dyad/Deore/SP dynamo wheelset I used on my Sam
>> Hillborne and I'm wondering if that's a safe/doable option to put on a
>> Roadini.
>>
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Re: [RBW] 135mm hub rear wheel in a roadini?

[John Dewey]

BTW, regarding spreading the rear.

Just a word of caution, not sure I'd advise this unless you're adventurous
and/or experienced...or crazy.

Or all of the above. And, as always, YMMV.

Jock

Jock

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:22 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Spread all frames but one, which I had built @ 135, from 130 to 135 quite
> easily. My experiences suggest it requires patience and a bit of
> bravado—the spread to get that extra 5mm was/is quite startling. But as I
> had / have settled on 135 which is—theoretically at least—stronger thanks
> to reduced dishing, I needed to make it all work. Along the way, I hoarded
> XTR hubsets and even managed to find cones etc.
>
> BTW, if any of you have XTR spares—front or rear—you need to part with to
> generate cash, let me know off-list.
>
> Jock
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:23:44 AM UTC-8 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great question, and I’ve had a different result.  I’ve got a Silver Hub
>> (only available in 135 mm) laced to a Velocity Dyad, and it fit easily into
>> my Sergio Green Roadini frame, without much fuss.  2.5 mm on each side is
>> not much.  No mechanical spreading, etc.  in fact, the silver hub was
>> really no more difficult to install in the Roadini than it was in my
>> Rambouillet, which has a 132.5 mm rear spacing, and was marketed to work
>> with both 130 mm and 135 mm hubs.
>>
>> Am I making a mistake here, and possibly damaging my Roadini frame?  I
>> like the extra strength of the 135mm hub.  Thoughts….
>>
>> Guy
>>
>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 5:52:53 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I had a Roadini and attempted to put my 135mm ENO hub in the back. It
>>> was a no go—the frame was too stiff to bend out. Maybe being the eccentric
>>> hub made this more difficult.
>>>
>>> By comparison, I had no issue putting a 135mm hub in my old 130mm BMC
>>> Monstercross, or a 130mm hub in my 126mm old road bikes.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023, Brenton Eastman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am considering buying a Roadini frame to build up with a mix of
>>>> new/old/bin parts.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Velocity Dyad/Deore/SP dynamo wheelset I used on my Sam
>>>> Hillborne and I'm wondering if that's a safe/doable option to put on a
>>>> Roadini.
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Re: [RBW] 135mm hub rear wheel in a roadini?

[John Dewey]

Spread all frames but one, which I had built @ 135, from 130 to 135 quite 
easily. My experiences suggest it requires patience and a bit of 
bravado—the spread to get that extra 5mm was/is quite startling. But as I 
had / have settled on 135 which is—theoretically at least—stronger thanks 
to reduced dishing, I needed to make it all work. Along the way, I hoarded 
XTR hubsets and even managed to find cones etc.

BTW, if any of you have XTR spares—front or rear—you need to part with to 
generate cash, let me know off-list.

Jock
On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:23:44 AM UTC-8 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great question, and I’ve had a different result.  I’ve got a Silver Hub 
> (only available in 135 mm) laced to a Velocity Dyad, and it fit easily into 
> my Sergio Green Roadini frame, without much fuss.  2.5 mm on each side is 
> not much.  No mechanical spreading, etc.  in fact, the silver hub was 
> really no more difficult to install in the Roadini than it was in my 
> Rambouillet, which has a 132.5 mm rear spacing, and was marketed to work 
> with both 130 mm and 135 mm hubs. 
>
> Am I making a mistake here, and possibly damaging my Roadini frame?  I 
> like the extra strength of the 135mm hub.  Thoughts….
>
> Guy
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 5:52:53 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I had a Roadini and attempted to put my 135mm ENO hub in the back. It was 
>> a no go—the frame was too stiff to bend out. Maybe being the eccentric hub 
>> made this more difficult. 
>>
>> By comparison, I had no issue putting a 135mm hub in my old 130mm BMC 
>> Monstercross, or a 130mm hub in my 126mm old road bikes. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023, Brenton Eastman  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering buying a Roadini frame to build up with a mix of 
>>> new/old/bin parts.
>>>
>>> I have a Velocity Dyad/Deore/SP dynamo wheelset I used on my Sam 
>>> Hillborne and I'm wondering if that's a safe/doable option to put on a 
>>> Roadini.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Did anyone get one of the new Acorn Bags yesterday?

[John Dewey]

And such a sweet couple the ''Acorns' seem to be.

Jock

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 8:30:20 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> Plus one on ACORN. On all JD bikes. And they get better with age…like we 
> all wish we did. Such a nice patina they produce and plenty of room for all 
> those sandwich breaks and one of the glass-bottle Coca Colas if you’re so 
> inclined. We can pass ‘em down through the generations. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 AM Jon Craig (Vendraen)  
> wrote:
>
>> My wife and I each have a "Boxy Rando" bag from back in 2016, during the 
>> time when they used snaps and didn't put their logo patch on the bags.  We 
>> love those bags, and it was time for me to get a bag for the back of my 
>> bike, instead of using my Ortlieb panniers.  So I waited for the Large 
>> Saddlebag to become available and bought one.  It arrives today!  I'm 
>> exited.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:55:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Jon,
>>> I noticed that Acorn continues to modify and improve most of their bags. 
>>> The "Large" saddle bags now seem to have gone back to the drawstring inside 
>>> (instead of the recent zippers) and two leather straps to hold the flap 
>>> down (instead of the more recent single shock cord). A nice new touch (in 
>>> my opinion) is the replacement of the larger and wider side pockets with 
>>> flatter zippered pockets on the sides. 
>>>
>>> Those new flat side pockets make the bag a little more narrow and 
>>> "streamlined," even a cleaner look. I never liked the larger side pockets 
>>> on my old Carradice bags much. 
>>>
>>> Though the leather "flap" straps are a bit slower to deal with than the 
>>> single shock cord on the flap, I think they lend a nice look, dare I say 
>>> "retro'? And a bit more secure, I feel.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents. I have been a big fan of Acorn and their "MUSA cottage 
>>> industry" model. The workmanship has always been superb and pricing is 
>>> super fair.  I've probably owned more than 18 of their bags over the years. 
>>> Great folks to work with, too.
>>>
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got one of the new Acorn Bags "large saddlebags" yesterday when they 
>>>> became available.  Did anyone else get any of the new bags?  I'm excited 
>>>> to 
>>>> check this one out when it arrives!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Did anyone get one of the new Acorn Bags yesterday?

[John Dewey]

Plus one on ACORN. On all JD bikes. And they get better with age…like we
all wish we did. Such a nice patina they produce and plenty of room for all
those sandwich breaks and one of the glass-bottle Coca Colas if you’re so
inclined. We can pass ‘em down through the generations.

Jock

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 AM Jon Craig (Vendraen) 
wrote:

> My wife and I each have a "Boxy Rando" bag from back in 2016, during the
> time when they used snaps and didn't put their logo patch on the bags.  We
> love those bags, and it was time for me to get a bag for the back of my
> bike, instead of using my Ortlieb panniers.  So I waited for the Large
> Saddlebag to become available and bought one.  It arrives today!  I'm
> exited.
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:55:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Jon,
>> I noticed that Acorn continues to modify and improve most of their bags.
>> The "Large" saddle bags now seem to have gone back to the drawstring inside
>> (instead of the recent zippers) and two leather straps to hold the flap
>> down (instead of the more recent single shock cord). A nice new touch (in
>> my opinion) is the replacement of the larger and wider side pockets with
>> flatter zippered pockets on the sides.
>>
>> Those new flat side pockets make the bag a little more narrow and
>> "streamlined," even a cleaner look. I never liked the larger side pockets
>> on my old Carradice bags much.
>>
>> Though the leather "flap" straps are a bit slower to deal with than the
>> single shock cord on the flap, I think they lend a nice look, dare I say
>> "retro'? And a bit more secure, I feel.
>>
>> My 2 cents. I have been a big fan of Acorn and their "MUSA cottage
>> industry" model. The workmanship has always been superb and pricing is
>> super fair.  I've probably owned more than 18 of their bags over the years.
>> Great folks to work with, too.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got one of the new Acorn Bags "large saddlebags" yesterday when they
>>> became available.  Did anyone else get any of the new bags?  I'm excited to
>>> check this one out when it arrives!
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[John Dewey]

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

Frameset or complete would work. 
Doug Hansford
Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] PSA: Classic TA Zephyr Triple Touring Crankset 172.5 - eBay auction

[John Dewey]

Yikes, I have one of those NOS…waiting and why for what?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 6:34 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> Here is currently an eBay auction for fine and rare triple crankset:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/126181646585?hash=item1d610320f9:g:6vcAAOSwGTBlT-uC=enc%3AAQAI8KzA33vnBXsDG%2F1RiID%2BMqbW42cokDpl8JpwC1jxJEzfBhclfArnXKM3RPrHYQJUuFgXooLS8Q5r8dDNoj5Vv%2Fw5f9lCAli%2FAbO5GBMTbCq13Q10Sl%2FAkagOJPL3PTjouSs5sCvDEe%2BKU5X16w4BF3Er91BCDiFgYBtm4CHwkLpaSfkzF%2FqbxiZ3L9sd2eMl52vEPDLOdqV61CXGEaxhu9FpUgSdgmzcWA%2Fm4R9X1EmYIDD08HLVm3fU2Md6qWnvE8pFyKZfF4mWM05fI0fUhsxkKT9xacLNLZUNKN80KYJ42GvPj2h3660xLnAa1MEoBA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6zZpPSIYw
>
> I have no interest.
>
> Kim Hetzel happy with my crankset and gearing. 2x9.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[John Dewey]

Plus one Mr. Tapebubba. If any are holding NOS Logic silver @ 170 / 172.5
I’ll take the misery off your hands.

BTW, I seem to recall a thread, many threads way way back when re: Logic
arms prone to breaking. Is my memory faulty?

Jock

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:11 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The hidden arm was definitely invented just to make a different look, and
> we were supposed to think that look was preferable. There's nothing better
> from a performance standpoint with the hidden arm, and it does indeed make
> it a TINY bit more work to change a chainring if you are doing things
> right*, and substantially harder if you are doing things some other way.  I
> think it's a logical and good thing that Rivendell designed Silver cranks
> with a normal 5-arm setup.
>
> That said, it works out great for me that so many people seem to have such
> a hard time with hidden bolt cranks, because I've never had a problem with
> it, and your shared struggles has got to help drive the price down for me.
> Walking around my garage, there are four bikes with hidden arm Ritcheys,
> three with hidden arm Sugino, and two with hidden arm Campy.  If there are
> any of you out there at your wits-end about it and want to ship me your
> unwanted 172.5mm cranks, let me know.
>
> Maybe I should do a YouTube to show how to deal with it the right* way?
> That would probably be pointless because in general it seems that those who
> have made up their minds that they are terrible seem to have their minds
> completely made up.
>
> There is no question that the hidden arm does not make it EASIER to
> replace a chainring.  It makes it a tiny bit harder.  I'd put it on par
> with tying my shoes.  My BOA shoes are the easiest to install onto my feet
> and extract from my feet.  Lace-up shoes are harder to install and harder
> to extract than BOA shoes.  That's a fact.  Still, I know how to tie my
> shoes, and I do include lace-up shoes in my closet.  I imagine it would be
> logical to boycott lace-up shoes and label shoelaces as the worst thing
> ever, and limit oneself to strictly BOA shoes (and slip-ons).  That would
> be a principled stance.  From my perspective, it's a baby and bathwater
> situation.
>
> My guess is that there are three reasons Rivendell designed the Silver
> cranks with normal 5-arms:
>
> 1. their customers vocally complain about the hidden arm
> 2. there is no performance benefit to the hidden arm
> 3. the post-forging machining steps are more complicated and costly with
> the hidden arm
>
> There's no reason to make an already expensive product even more expensive
> by adding a valueless feature that your customers will bellyache about.
>
> I've got guesses at how and why people struggle with the hidden arm, and
> it's probably a combination of 4 things.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> *by right, I mean the way that was obvious and self-evident when I first
> ran across them in the late 1980s, but it seems what was obvious and self
> evident to me is not universal.
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:27:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>>  "Probably too much of a pain to deal with."
>>
>> Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the
>> introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring
>> bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As a
>> many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a pain
>> in the patooty.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino AT
>>> cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the
>>> upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell
>>> didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain
>>> to deal with.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at
 Roman's Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time,
 so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine.

 Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset.
 Looks pretty cool!

 https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant’s Mountain

[John Dewey]

Yes, I remember. The legs began to atrophy.

Jock

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 3:21 AM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Atmospheric river headed Bay Area way midweek. Might trickle off to the
> north again; but last winter, the first one had twelve more behind it, one
> after another, for almost ten weeks.
>
> Get your riding in while you can :-(
>
> Peter "no, really; I'm OK with the soaked socks" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 9:38:53 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>
> Right on !
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:56:51 AM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
> Mt Diablo today. Clear skies and temps in the 60s here in Rivendell’s back
> yard.
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[John Dewey]

PS: Supple Vitesse @ 33mm also fit quite well. Just enough wiggle room to 
make me comfortable.



On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Well, Patrick, I just took a closer look at mine and I think it just 
> might. Of course, a lot depends on the rim. I have Open Pro on mine, with 
> 32mm Conti 5000s and 45mm SKS mudguards / fenders. Not lots of room to 
> spare, mind you, but the fit is just about perfect. So take off the fenders 
> and install 38mm tires I think might be a good swap.
>
> Jock
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:57:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> One more remark, FWIW, and not to discourage you from a 650B conversion: 
>> The Ram handled very nicely with 700C 32 mm tires; expect a slight 
>> reduction in diameter and an increase in width and a decrease in pressure 
>> to have effects on handling. Trail and flop #s might also change a bit 
>> depending on the width of the new tires.
>>
>> The Bon Jon Passes might be the best option.
>>
>> Question to all: Can a Ram, at least the second gen blue Rams, take 38s? 
>> Mine took 31s with fenders, just, so it might take 38s; but my Riv custom 
>> with single pivot takes 39s, crowding at chainstays -- ~2 mm clearance per 
>> side with 39 mm actual tire -- rather than under brake or crown.
>>
>> Again, FWIW.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:37 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
>>>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
>>>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, 
>>>> with 
>>>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a 
>>>> bike 
>>>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>>>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>>>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>>>
>>>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
>>>>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
>>>>> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
>>>>> who 
>>>>> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike 
>>>>> he’s 
>>>>> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
>>>>> make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
>>>>> the Ram which would be the one to go? 
>>>>>
>>>>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds 
>>>>> with no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
>>>>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
>>>>> don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
>>>>> options 
>>>>> on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
>>>>> weight 
>>>>> or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
>>>>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to 
>>>>> replace my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I 
>>>>> can 
>>>>> get a more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> love it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from 
>>

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[John Dewey]

Well, Patrick, I just took a closer look at mine and I think it just might. 
Of course, a lot depends on the rim. I have Open Pro on mine, with 32mm 
Conti 5000s and 45mm SKS mudguards / fenders. Not lots of room to spare, 
mind you, but the fit is just about perfect. So take off the fenders and 
install 38mm tires I think might be a good swap.

Jock

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:57:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> One more remark, FWIW, and not to discourage you from a 650B conversion: 
> The Ram handled very nicely with 700C 32 mm tires; expect a slight 
> reduction in diameter and an increase in width and a decrease in pressure 
> to have effects on handling. Trail and flop #s might also change a bit 
> depending on the width of the new tires.
>
> The Bon Jon Passes might be the best option.
>
> Question to all: Can a Ram, at least the second gen blue Rams, take 38s? 
> Mine took 31s with fenders, just, so it might take 38s; but my Riv custom 
> with single pivot takes 39s, crowding at chainstays -- ~2 mm clearance per 
> side with 39 mm actual tire -- rather than under brake or crown.
>
> Again, FWIW.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:37 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
>>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
>>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, with 
>>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a bike 
>>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>>
>>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
>>>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
>>>> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
>>>> who 
>>>> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s 
>>>> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
>>>> make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
>>>> the Ram which would be the one to go? 
>>>>
>>>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
>>>> no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
>>>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>>>>
>>>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
>>>> don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the 
>>>> LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
>>>> options 
>>>> on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
>>>> the 
>>>> middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
>>>> weight 
>>>> or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
>>>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>>>>
>>>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
>>>> my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
>>>> more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
>>>> it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
>>>> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your thoughts
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[John Dewey]

This is really old thread but I’ll chime in.

I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I
applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want
of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway.
Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old
Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop
surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of  in my pocket. YRMV,
but I’m happy.

Jock

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford 
wrote:

> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007
> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later
> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So
> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks
> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with
> love levers. Are they worth it?
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Re: [RBW] Re: "A Steamy Lug Affair" by Grant Petersen

[John Dewey]

Renaissance it was 

NAHBS—and others—to the rescue. Thankfully gratefully.

Jock

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> Grant wrote, "I think we're at the point in bicycle history where lugged
> frames will either undergo a renaissance or face extinction..."
>
> It's nice to be on the other side of almost 25 years later and see which
> way it went!
>
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> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[John Dewey]

Patrick, no dented rims (fingers crossed) but picked up a NASTY roofing
nail the other day.

SO grateful it — A: didn't pierce my rim — B: was rear & not front. Anyone
out there have a similar nasty object poke a hole in a rim?

Jock

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 10:38 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> There's no way you can pump a road tire high enough to prevent a dented
> rim when you hit a sharp-edged pothole (or, around here, 6" expansion
> cracks) at a high enough speed. I've done this myself even with tire
> overinflated.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 8:10 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>
>> ... If you dented the rim the tire bottomed out which meant that the tire
>> was under-inflated for how aggressively you're riding.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[John Dewey]

In the Conti 5000 camp here @ 32mm. Ram + Ebisu (x2) + Waterford Paramount
 — Saluki @ 38mm Pari-Moto

All comfortable, light, fast, reasonably durable + affordable.

Jock

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:14 AM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> My Quickbeam is wearing Riv Jack Brown 700x33.3, which I over-inflate to
> 80psi so I don't have to inflate as often. It's my commuter. I should
> probably really run them at about 70psi, and fill them more often, but I'm
> lazy.
>
> My 1999 Riv Custom was from when 700x28 were considered "fat meat"
> super-sized monster wide tires, compared to the standard 23mm. I have RH
> 700x28 Chinook Pass on it now, and I think they're more like 27mm. I also
> run those at 80psi, which is a more correct pressure for them and my
> weight. I used to run Riv Rolly-Poly 700x29, which really are 29mm wide. I
> think I could probably fit 31mm tires, so if the RH "Stampede Pass" 700x32
> are also on the narrow side, they should fit. When my current tires wear
> down some more, I'll order the RH "32mm" tires and hope they fit. I've been
> quite happy with RH tires and don't get any more flats than other brands.
> Can't say they're "super supple" but they ride well. If those don't fit,
> I'll search for a pair of 30mm tires.
>
> I have the 26x2.3" RH Humptulips Ridge on my 1998 Ibis, which is their
> dual-purpose knobby for 26" wheels. They're also nowhere near 2.3" wide. I
> had a 2.3" Bontrager on the front and a 2.1" Panaracer (Smoke, I think) on
> the back before, and these are just a wee wider than the 2.1" Panaracer. I
> find the grip to be almost as good as the "real" off-road tires, but the
> road rolling resistance is much lower. My 90's MTB is truly a "Gravel Bike"
> now!
>
> RH slicks don't see to be all that much different to me than any other
> slick, but their dual-purpose knobby does seem very different than any
> other knobby I've ridden.
>
> Drew
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 8:41:57 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> I doubt that Grant was intentionally designing his bikes specifically to
>> handle better with knobbier tires. I think it's more a product of his own
>> views of how a bike should handle and the tires that were available/common
>> at the time he designed the bike. On the first point, he's written a few
>> times defending the virtues of geometric trail, perhaps as a response to
>> challenges from Jan-Heine-o-philes who wanted him to design a low trail
>> bike. On the second point, most of the tires we're discussing were nothing
>> but a twinkle in Jan Heine or Panaracer's eyes when the Rambouillet was
>> designed, and I think it probably handles best with 28-32mm road tires
>> because that was considered downright obese for a road bike at the time.
>> For the Clem, certainly that was designed closer to the contemporary golden
>> age of fat tires, but I still remember most of the prototypes wearing
>> something like a Schwalbe Big Ben, which has more of a blockier tread that
>> probably reduces pneumatic trail compared to something like an RH slick.
>>
>> Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:46:34 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>>
>>> You make a good point about the geometric and pneumatic trail and the
>>> possibility that Grant designed his frames around a knobbier, more general
>>> purpose, tire thus building the frames with more geometric trail. I’d love
>>> to ask Grant that question to know if it was happy coincidence that they
>>> ended up that way or if the design choice was really that intentional.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 4:22 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
 On my Rivendells I've noticed that, irrespective of the surface I'm
 riding on, I actually prefer the handling with larger knobby tires than
 with larger slick tires. This is true on both my Clem H (2016, first-gen)
 with 45-55mm tires and my Rambouillet (green, ~2006 as far as I can tell)
 with 36-38mm tires. My explanation for this is that Grant tends to design
 bikes with larger geometric trail. When you add in the pneumatic trail of
 larger slick tires, the whole thing can feel harder to turn. Knobby tires
 give you the same shock absorption while putting less rubber on the
 pavement, thus reducing the pneumatic trail. Jan Heine has noted this
 effect himself when comparing knobby and slick versions of his tires.

 My Rambouillet current wears RH (actually Compass, they're a few years
 old) Steilacoom 700x38 knobbies. My Clem H has 29x2.2 Specialized Fast
 Traks with the "Control" casing, which is an XC-oriented MTB tire with
 relatively minimal knobs that rolls well on pavement. In my experience
 there is no free lunch when it comes to supple casings and flats. Certainly
 the ride is better with things like the RH standard casing but my rate of
 flatting from glass and thorns goes up. Sealant and tubeless haven't been
 the solution, in my experience, and I run both of my 

[RBW] Re: FS: NOS Sugino XD Triple

[John Dewey]

Pedals included...

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:32:34 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> FS: NOS Sugino XD triple crankset — 46 /36/ 26 @ 170
>
> $175 shipped
>
> Jock Dewey
>
> [image: Sugino XD.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[John Dewey]

Great photos, Patrick. Those De Vlaeminck brothers, oh my, such great
memories and riding real bicycles.  Brian Chapman and a few others will
still build you one of those gorgeous machines. I pine for those days we
could walk into a good bike shop and grab one of those things off a hook on
the ceiling.




DE VLAEMINCK

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 7:04 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> If perfect form is perfect style, the first is a favorite but the second
> while much more relaxed is very close.
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Re: [RBW] RAGBRAI 2023 50th Anniversary Ride

[John Dewey]

Probably my old boss, Richard hizself 浪

JD

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:49 AM Lyman Labry  wrote:

> I rode for the first time on my Homer.  I recall seeing a Saluki, Homers,
>  an Atlantis, a couple of Hillbornes, a Heron, a Rambouillet, and a Frank
> Gomez (I think it was). I met a gentleman mid-week who recently retired
> from Waterford. Fun week.
> Lyman in ATX
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 3:01 PM R. Alexis  wrote:
>
>> RBW List Members,
>>
>> I had a chance to ride the first day of RAGBRAI late last month. Things
>> aligned that I had that weekend off and then discovered the first day of
>> RAGBRAI was that Sunday and that it was the 50th anniversary of the ride.
>> Found out that late Friday and thought about it. After thinking of doing a
>> possible century that Saturday and not doing it I decided to jump in and do
>> the first day of RAGBRAI that Sunday and also do a century by turning
>> around at the second to last stop and going back. By my calculations doing
>> so would have put me at the century mark. First day was 71 miles to the end
>> city.
>>
>> I was on the Rivendell Mountain. Met some list RBW/iBOB members along the
>> way. Names escape me. There was three of them, I think all from the Chicago
>> area. One riding a 650B converted Trek stating he had just gotten an
>> Appaloosa earlier in the week, another on a Sam Hillborne and the other on
>> a Bridgestone RB-T or T 1000.
>>
>> I fell short of my goal. In doubling back I calculated I got to 64 miles.
>> Should have just rode to the end and hitched a ride back. Still enjoyed
>> doing the ride. If I do it again will definitely be more prepared.
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[John Dewey]

The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR
silence I rather enjoy making a little noise.

And they’re so pretty.

Jock

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike  wrote:

> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of life
> changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is good and
> bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs seem
> "loud".
> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer
> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years
> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it
> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now
> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your
> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on
> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.
> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly
> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards
> building a strong and true wheel.
>
> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Bones,
>> Thanks. That's good to know.
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed:
>>> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my MI5
>>> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my
>>> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous
>>> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. Much
>>> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious
 does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise
 level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than
 that.

 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets
> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an
> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich.
>
> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that
> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of
> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
> and
> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver
> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd.
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as
>> well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so
>> I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony 
>> is
>> that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these
>> days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a 
>> set
>> of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
>> them.
>> I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv
>> way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas,
>> youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in
>> 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow.
>>
>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think
>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
>> upkeep
>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly
>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
>> Shimano
>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor
>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed 
>> can
>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things 
>> up
>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls.
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

[John Dewey]

BTW, we don't ride nearly as much as lots of you do, but we are at about 
9,000K for the year...so there is that. BTW, what set-up is finer than a 
proper rando?

Jock

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 8:27:01 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Well, I’m prompted to chime in here because we have both PBP 
> bikes—Rambouillet / Saluki. 
>
> But not be attempting PBP anytime soon because we just don’t ride well on 
> no sleep. We end up seeing scary things that go bump in the night and don’t 
> like napping in the cold wet ditch. Too bad, because we got the equipment 
> and the 'want to'…just the wrong genes.Unfortunately, no way to really fix 
> that. In school, when my pals were banging around in dorms waiting for the 
> sun to come up, I was always long gone.
>
> Jock 
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

[John Dewey]

Well, I’m prompted to rsvp here because we have both PBP bikes—Rambouillet
and Saluki.

But not be attempting PBP anytime soon because we just don’t ride well on
no sleep. We end up seeing scary things that go bump in the night and don’t
like napping in the ditch. Too bad, because we got the equipment and the
want to…just the wrong genes. I

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> I’ve never owned one, but I’ve always thought the Rambouillet would do
> well as a Rando bike.
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Dick Combs  wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts/opinions on best Riv model for randonneuring. Thanks
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[John Dewey]

Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one of
Richard Schwinn’s best pals. I know this because I’m Richard’s 2nd ‘best
pal’ (浪). And he rides beautiful bicycles. He even persuaded Richard to
build him the most gorgeous WF with most elegant, low ‘French’ bend you
ever saw. And that took a lot of persuading I tell you. So when Ted
Talks…we need to listen.

Jock

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:31 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof
> tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be
> sportingly light.
>
> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo
> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which
> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy
> to ride.
>
> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit
> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building
> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you
> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes
> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm
> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds
> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main
> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were
> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel
> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any
> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example,
> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes
> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the
> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there
> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is
> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame
> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the
> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the
> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes
> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the
> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and
> he loves it.
>
> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia
> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But
> I loved the way it rode.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[John Dewey]

Y’all…if you’re simply careful and mindful and respectful, you can ride the
hell out your beautiful, even precious, Rivendell day-in / day-out for
years and years and keep it shiny and pristine like the day you first
pedaled it down the road.

It’s easy.

The older it gets, the better it sticks. Then you never want for more. Be
Zen-like and you’re free to fly.

Jock

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 9:16 AM Lefebeaver  wrote:

> Since building up my Atlantis 5 years ago I've been using it a great deal,
> and my other bikes almost never see the light of day. The Atlantis is just
> such a joy to ride that I really don't want to ride anything else! When it
> was about a year old I took it on its first tour, in Brazil. I agonized
> over bringing it, as I've got a long history with the capricious Brazilian
> customs officers from 3 decades of working there; I've had very expensive
> work equipment confiscated by them in the past, never to be seen again. But
> I really wanted to get that bike out touring and making memories right
> away, so I rolled the dice and brought it. Right away I leaned it against a
> palm tree for a photo op and it rolled and slid down the tree, grinding its
> first and still biggest paint scratch into the top tube; so that broke the
> "preciousness" in one go. Now it's got a bunch of beausage, still has
> traces of stains from the red Brazilian clay that just won't come off, but
> I don't fret over it at all. I commuted on it regularly before retiring
> last year, and aside from exercising and exploring it's also my errand bike
> and grocery getter. It's simply my bike, that I use for everything I need a
> bike for. I am still a bit squeamish about leaving it locked up for long. I
> paddleboard and kayak, and for 20 years I drove my watercraft to a launch
> spot which is literally 100 feet over the town line into the adjacent town.
> When they signed it "Resident parking only", I wasn't about to be denied
> access to "MY" paddle spot - so I made my old Stumpjumper into my beach
> bike as it's so beat up I don't think anyone would want it, and I don't
> worry about leaving it locked to the guardrail for a couple of hours while
> I'm out on the water. Otherwise it's the Riv for every bicycle need -
> that's what I got it for, and it excels!
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:15:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it.
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell
>> off a cliff.
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous?
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[John Dewey]

Patrick, you might give a look to the Club Ride liners. I’ve been riding in
these for years now. There are 3 pad thicknesses to choose from, for you
the 1 Hour pad would be perfect. I’ve got a stash of these figuring they
might go away some day. They’re bomb proof. Really well made, light,
stretchy, breathable but not baggy. I’ve been ‘cycling’ between 2 pair
trying to wear them out and I can’t. I’ve finished many delightful long
rides in the one-hour liners, highly recommended!

Best / Jock

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 8:06 AM DavidP  wrote:

> I just received a pair of Andiamos and have had a few rides in them - I
> think they are fine. For reference, I have a couple of other pairs of liner
> shorts even though for most rides regul synthetic  underwear is all I need,
> but for some rides r you they are nice (not to mention on the trainer to
> the  where this is less coasting/standing).
>
> The Andiamos actually have more padding then I expected - not as much as
> some shorts, but I have an old pair of Nashbar branded liner shorts that
> has less and more compliant padding (these seem to not use foam but
> microfleece padding). The Andiamos are fine and I will happily use them but
> I kind of expected something even more minimal.
>
> -Dave
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool
>> shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but
>> without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most
>> comfortable.
>>
>> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>>>
>>> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads
>>> over 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to
>>> wear something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual
>>> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>>>
>>> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real
>>> chamois or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist.
>>>
>>> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an
>>> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as
>>> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and
>>> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and
>>> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>>>
>>> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as
>>> comfortable under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[John Dewey]

Looks really nice on your beautiful Mercian, Rich. BTW, y’all should look 
into Micro-Mesh Touch Up Sticks. You could polish your bell, Rich, and make 
it look like fine 24 karat gold jewelry. You can find them at Stew-Mac, a 
site selling luthier’s fine finishing tools. They’re the bee’s knees. You 
can quickly achieve a mirror-like finish on virtually any dull, corroded, 
scratched up silver bicycle bit. This, of course, if you have some extra 
time for mindless self-indulgence.

https://www.stewmac.com/luthier-tools-and-supplies/supplies/sanding-and-polishing/sandpaper-and-finishing-papers/micro-mesh-touch-up-stick/?msclkid=467ff275848f1903c48696eba1659477_source=bing_medium=cpc_campaign=CP%20%7C%20MF%20%7C%20BNG%20%7C%20SHOP%20%7C%20NBR%20%7C%20All%20Products_term=4578572576575381_content=All%20Products

BEST / Jock

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 2:44:45 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> I'll chime in here:-) This is as discrete as I can get given that the 
> Crane bell is chunkier than the elegant little Spurcycle gem. The tone that 
> this hammer strike model provides is pretty sonorous though. Much better 
> and more consistent than the tinny sound the spring lever version provides. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> [image: IMG_0594.jpg]
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly 
>> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story 
>> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[John Dewey]

You should do it, Laing, if for no reason other than helping to insure
these good folks stay in business 

Jock

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:

> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape
> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly
>> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story
>> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[John Dewey]

All good points, Patrick. Placement is very personal issue.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:

> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape
> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly
>> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story
>> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[John Dewey]

Thanks, V! BTW, I use my right hand for most things but my left hand is
dominant. Sort of weird. So I prefer flipping striker with my left hand.
Spurcycle makes folks meandering catiwompas on the MUPS around here wet
their pants as I approach. So I allow plenty of room as we have no idea
which way they are going. They don’t either 掠

BEST / Jock

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:00 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Lovely! Very discreet. I have a version of that bell sitting very
> indiscreetly on top of my stem. I am going to relocate as you have shown to
> see h to ding from there.
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 10:25:34 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, smartly
>> engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's my story
>> and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[John Dewey]

Eric, I wouldn’t be surprised to find that some of us ride discalsed.

Best / Jock

On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 8:10 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Now I know what “discalced” means!
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
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> On Jun 1, 2023, at 7:18 AM, John Dewey  wrote:
>
> Ted, years ago we lived out in the country near Beloit—a ride up to Holy
> Hill was always on my early spring schedule. Here's my Waterford 1900. I
> miss WI in the summertime for sure...winter not so much :  )
>
> 
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey  / NorCA
>
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 12:11:13 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> I know, astronomically it's still spring, but as I said before, Memorial
>> Day is the traditional start of summer here. And the corn is in and
>> growing, so it must be summer! My first visit to Holy Hill is always a test
>> of early-season fitness. Pretty good, not great, was blasted by the hills.
>>
>> Off topic, but maybe worth another thread because I think there has been
>> noteworthy progress:  I LOVE the VP "Clem Smith" pedals Riv sells. So much
>> so that I bought a pile of them. I traded email with Spencer, first, to
>> make sure I wasn't hogging Riv's supply. Crazy inexpensive, super high
>> quality bearings, lots of traction without being leg-shredders. Between
>> those and several pairs of Lems Shoes I am finally happy to be converting
>> most of my bikes to flat pedals. My forefeet have widened considerably
>> since retiring, the effect of no longer wearing dress shoes. I went through
>> three pairs of biking shoes in two years. Lake shoes in wide are pretty
>> good, but Lems are a game-changer for me. It was getting hot today, so I
>> wore their Primal Zens, which have lots of ventilation.
>> [image: IMG_1299.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_1300.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Garmin Edge 830 MTB Bundle

[John Dewey]

Jason, sorry—it went pretty quickly. Thanks for interest.

BEST / Jock

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 12:42 PM Jason  wrote:

> Hi Jock - I just sent you a message about this. Thanks!
>
>
> Jason
> Oak Park, IL
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 6:53:50 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Sorry, cross-posted to BOB where I included price in heading: $210
>> shipped.
>>
>> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:01:57 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> This is basically brand new...I've tried to use it a couple of times but
>>> my brain and Garmin just do not work well together.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Silicone-Protectors-Touchscreen-Computer/dp/B07TJ7R7J7/ref=asc_df_B07TJ7R7J7?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20=df0=80882941548103=s=e=be=c===pla-4584482468471886=1
>>>
>>> It is complete including mounts, heart rate monitor strap, etc. Paypal
>>> preferred.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>> San Anselmo, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Garmin Edge 830 MTB Bundle

[John Dewey]

Sorry, cross-posted to BOB where I included price in heading: $210 shipped.

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:01:57 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> This is basically brand new...I've tried to use it a couple of times but 
> my brain and Garmin just do not work well together.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Silicone-Protectors-Touchscreen-Computer/dp/B07TJ7R7J7/ref=asc_df_B07TJ7R7J7?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20=df0=80882941548103=s=e=be=c===pla-4584482468471886=1
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> It is complete including mounts, heart rate monitor strap, etc. Paypal 
> preferred.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
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[RBW] FS: Garmin Edge 830 MTB Bundle

[John Dewey]

This is basically brand new...I've tried to use it a couple of times but my 
brain and Garmin just do not work well together.

https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Silicone-Protectors-Touchscreen-Computer/dp/B07TJ7R7J7/ref=asc_df_B07TJ7R7J7?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20=df0=80882941548103=s=e=be=c===pla-4584482468471886=1

It is complete including mounts, heart rate monitor strap, etc. Paypal 
preferred.

BEST / Jock Dewey
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis touch-up paint

[John Dewey]

Y'all, I don't think that's entirely true. RPM has taken a hatchet to that
great little brand but most Hobby Lobby stores still sell a greatly reduced
inventory.

At one time TESTORS was once among the most recognizable logos / brands in
the world. Synonymous with 'glue'. Atlantis was Russian Interior Green, and
years ago Grant had intentions to match all of his frame colors to a
similar TESTORS color so that he could redirect these questions. Good idea,
tho it didn't have great legs.

If you're of a mind to, you can usually mix colors to create a reasonable
match for most any frame. Metallics are a bit more challenging, but
oftentimes close-enough does the trick.

BEST / Jock Dewey ex-TESTORS

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 8:50 AM Old And In The Weeds <
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm seeing testors has discontinued their paints, and they had the exact
> match to the Atlantis green color. Does anyone know any alternative
> touch-up paint options? Thanks!
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: FS / NEW BROOKS B17 Champion Special

[John Dewey]

Sorry, $125 for my B17 / shipped

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:05:23 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> I have a new Brooks B17 Champion Special for sale, with the big rivets. 
> (Cross posted to BOB.)
>
> The saddle is brand new / unridden.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
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[RBW] FS / NEW BROOKS B17 Champion Special

[John Dewey]

I have a new Brooks B17 Champion Special for sale, with the big rivets. 
(Cross posted to BOB.)

The saddle is brand new / unridden.

BEST / Jock Dewey


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Spring Cleaning: Bags, Brakes, Crank, etc.

[John Dewey]

Andrew, I apologize, but I was just reminded that I've spent too much
lately on bike stuff so I'd better pass on the tires.

Good price, you'll sell 'em easily.

BEST / JD

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 6:04 AM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> They're yours! I'll get those packed up now. I'll probably just use a
> flat-rate box so shipping will be $16. If that works for you, payment can
> be sent via PayPal to andyreedturner@gmail along with shipping info.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:46 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Andrew, I’ll grab the 5000s if still available.
>>
>> Jock Dewey
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 7:38 PM Andrew Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's an updated list:
>>> *Royal Gran Compe 400 Brakeset:* Black with low miles but could use
>>> some new brake pads)
>>> $65
>>>
>>> *Sackville SaddleSack ExtraSmall:* Brown with a small tear in the top
>>> middle from where I had an external battery wired through to a handlebar
>>> light. I've somehow lost the leather straps it came with so hopefully the
>>> price reflects all that.
>>> $40
>>>
>>> *Kool-Stop Continental Salmon Brake Pads:* Used for less than 100
>>> miles.
>>> $10 (or free if purchased with a pair of brake pads)
>>>
>>> *Shimano Ultegra 6500 Brakeset:* Used but in excellent shape, could use
>>> some new brake pads IMO. Short reach
>>> $30
>>>
>>> *Sugino XD2 Crankset:* 170mm length, 46/34 Origin 8 chainrings, all
>>> very lightly used
>>> $150
>>>
>>> *Acorn Large Saddlebag:* brown (kinda olivy) very lightly used. I'm not
>>> the first owner but that owner I don't think ever used it and I never used
>>> it either!
>>> $100
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> I've also got a pair of like-new *Continental Grand Prix 5000 black
>>> 700x32* tires if anyone's interested. They've got less than 20 miles on
>>> them.
>>> $55 for the pair + shipping
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:16:19 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Price correction on the Sugino XD2 crankset.
>>>> I meant to post it as $110, my fault!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 7:14:31 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dura Ace front derailleur and Shimano R600 brakes are sold!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 6:43:21 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pictures here:
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/5q3GaT9EnzUh7yzt5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prices do not include shipping (CONUS)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Royal Gran Compe 400 Brakeset:* Black with low miles but could use
>>>>>> some new brake pads)
>>>>>> $65
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sackville SaddleSack ExtraSmall:* Brown with a small tear in the
>>>>>> top middle from where I had an external battery wired through to a
>>>>>> handlebar light. I've somehow lost the leather straps it came with so
>>>>>> hopefully the price reflects all that.
>>>>>> $40
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Selle Anatomica Series 2 Carbon Rail:* New, never used.
>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Surly Chain Tensioner:* includes both springs it came with. Used
>>>>>> for a two jaunts around town but I've since moved on to a bike with
>>>>>> horizontal dropouts rendering this useless. Worked great though and easy 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> install!
>>>>>> $30
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Kool-Stop Continental Salmon Brake Pads:* Used for less than 100
>>>>>> miles.
>>>>>> $10 (or free if purchased with a pair of brake pads)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Nitto Technomic Quill Stem: *8cm 26.0 clamp, lightly used
>>>>>> $30
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Dura Ace front derailleur:* 31.8 clamp, double, lightly used
>>>>>> $28
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Shimano BR-R600 Brakeset:* Near mint but w/o brake shoes. 47-57mm
>>>>>> reach
>>>>>> $80
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Shimano Ultegra 6500 Brakeset:* Used but in excellent shape, could
>>>>>> use some new brake pads IMO. Short reach
>>>>>> $30
>>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Spring Cleaning: Bags, Brakes, Crank, etc.

[John Dewey]

Andrew, I’ll grab the 5000s if still available.

Jock Dewey

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 7:38 PM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> Here's an updated list:
> *Royal Gran Compe 400 Brakeset:* Black with low miles but could use some
> new brake pads)
> $65
>
> *Sackville SaddleSack ExtraSmall:* Brown with a small tear in the top
> middle from where I had an external battery wired through to a handlebar
> light. I've somehow lost the leather straps it came with so hopefully the
> price reflects all that.
> $40
>
> *Kool-Stop Continental Salmon Brake Pads:* Used for less than 100 miles.
> $10 (or free if purchased with a pair of brake pads)
>
> *Shimano Ultegra 6500 Brakeset:* Used but in excellent shape, could use
> some new brake pads IMO. Short reach
> $30
>
> *Sugino XD2 Crankset:* 170mm length, 46/34 Origin 8 chainrings, all very
> lightly used
> $150
>
> *Acorn Large Saddlebag:* brown (kinda olivy) very lightly used. I'm not
> the first owner but that owner I don't think ever used it and I never used
> it either!
> $100
>
> -
>
> I've also got a pair of like-new *Continental Grand Prix 5000 black
> 700x32* tires if anyone's interested. They've got less than 20 miles on
> them.
> $55 for the pair + shipping
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:16:19 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Price correction on the Sugino XD2 crankset.
>> I meant to post it as $110, my fault!
>>
>> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 7:14:31 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Dura Ace front derailleur and Shimano R600 brakes are sold!
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 6:43:21 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Pictures here:
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/5q3GaT9EnzUh7yzt5

 Prices do not include shipping (CONUS)

 *Royal Gran Compe 400 Brakeset:* Black with low miles but could use
 some new brake pads)
 $65

 *Sackville SaddleSack ExtraSmall:* Brown with a small tear in the top
 middle from where I had an external battery wired through to a handlebar
 light. I've somehow lost the leather straps it came with so hopefully the
 price reflects all that.
 $40

 *Selle Anatomica Series 2 Carbon Rail:* New, never used.
 $50

 *Surly Chain Tensioner:* includes both springs it came with. Used for
 a two jaunts around town but I've since moved on to a bike with horizontal
 dropouts rendering this useless. Worked great though and easy to install!
 $30

 *Kool-Stop Continental Salmon Brake Pads:* Used for less than 100
 miles.
 $10 (or free if purchased with a pair of brake pads)

 *Nitto Technomic Quill Stem: *8cm 26.0 clamp, lightly used
 $30

 *Dura Ace front derailleur:* 31.8 clamp, double, lightly used
 $28

 *Shimano BR-R600 Brakeset:* Near mint but w/o brake shoes. 47-57mm
 reach
 $80

 *Shimano Ultegra 6500 Brakeset:* Used but in excellent shape, could
 use some new brake pads IMO. Short reach
 $30

 *Sugino XD2 Crankset:* 170mm length, 46/34 Origin 8 chainrings, all
 very lightly used
 $150

 *Acorn Large Saddlebag:* brown (kinda olivy) very lightly used. I'm
 not the first owner but that owner I don't think ever used it and I never
 used it either!
 $100




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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[John Dewey]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 8:28 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> What crankset is on the Saluki? looks like a TA, the one with 3 bcd
> drillings:  110/74/54.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> RamBOBs,
>>
>> I think all of these are quite accurate recollections. Our little family
>> peloton (admittedly, a kind of 'embarrassment of riches') includes a RAM
>> acquired in '04, a SAM circa '11, and most recently an NOS 650b DOG
>> (Saluki) that chased us down and just wouldn't let us get away. Each what
>> might be called 'classic' road bike. No stretched out chainstays or swoopy
>> tubes, just delightful, well-mannered, well-proportioned, comfortable,
>> artful road machines.
>>
>> The most recent addition—Saluki—to these old eyes, cannot be
>> distinguished from any of the finest bespoke art bikes we all spend
>> hours admiring on our computers. Every detail is refined and well thought
>> out. Quite amazing. We just replaced old no-named rubber with 38mm Pari
>> Motos and must admit that the 650b fairy dust seems real even if it makes
>> no mechanical sense. Whatever—it feels fast and comfortable and is truly a
>> handsome creature.
>>
>> I guess you could call GP and have him build one for you, but we most
>> definitely pine for the days we could just wander into our favorite
>> bike shop, grab one of these triangles off a hook and take it home. Instant
>> gratification baby!
>>
>> Jock Dewey
>>
>> [image: Saluki.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:25 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that
>>> differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an
>>> attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a
>>> standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later
>>> introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by
>>> simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a
>>> thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that
>>> the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>>
>>>> Howdy folks.
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic
>>>> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were
>>>> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version
>>>> called the Redwood...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Doug
>>>>
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[RBW] SOLD / PAUL Centerpull Brakes / NEW / $200

[John Dewey]

PAUL Centerpull brakes went quickly, thanks all for looking.

BEST / JD

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[RBW] PAUL BRAKES / Sale / Trade

[John Dewey]

I've got a new pair of PAUL center pull brakes that I'd like to trade for 
or sell.

If you're interested in buying—$200 for the pair (these are sold for $200 
ea.)

Or if you have some Grand Cru 610s in similar 'as new' condition, and you'd 
like to trade for PAUL that would be great.

It's OK to reply off-list.

Many thanks,

Jock Dewey

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[John Dewey]

That's a delightful story, Ted. And kudos to you for figuring it out.
There's no room in the tent for discord :  )

BEST / Jock

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 6:21 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:23:32 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who
> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.”
>
>
> Leah once again starts an epic thread. It's much more (fun) when they get
> to be middle school age!
>
> My wife and I honeymooned in Vermont on our Santana tandem. Yes, 27"
> wheels with 1 1/8" tires, right, Jock? So, around the time our daughters
> were middle school aged, we bought another tandem (Co-Motion Periscopa) for
> a family Christmas present and the following summer packed up the minivan
> and headed for Vermont. We started out with adult/child pairs on each, and
> it was immediately obvious that one pair was a lot faster than the other.
> We struggled through a rainy first day that way, and tempers were short in
> our soggy tent that night. The next morning dawned clear and beautiful, but
> after the first hill it was clear we needed to change things up. We put
> both kids on the Co-Motion and they disappeared up the next hill, leaving
> the old folks behind. The smiles on their faces didn't disappear the rest
> of the trip. Considering how rocky their relationship could be (middle
> school girls, remember...) it was a miracle. We were just glad we didn't
> take too long to figure it out!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

Jeff, thanks for the nice photographs of the yellow bike. Beautiful
machine, just about perfect, and not a spot of beausage. All you need and
nothing more.

JD

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 9:41 PM Jeff B  wrote:

> As an aside to what modern bike Jobst might ride, here are some photos of
> Jobst's bike at the US Bicycling Hall of Fame in Davis, CA. I'm not sure if
> this was his final or second to last bike. I don't know if it is still
> there and having it hanging from the ceiling makes it hard to photograph
> and inspect but still very cool to see in person.
> Jobst's Bike 
>
> Jeff Burke
> Woodland, CA
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:11:00 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not yet. I've gotten at least three email notifications this year that
>> closure was imminent (*buy up now while you can*).
>>
>> A note: On several occasions in the past year, John has posted sales with
>> 10%/15%/20% off all remaining items. The alleged discount does not appear
>> online, but is supposed to be applied in the shopping basket at checkout.
>> I've jumped in for two of these sales, and no general discount was applied
>> to my shopping basket, using Safari 14/macOS. I don't know what browser his
>> shopping mechanism is keyed to; I'm guessing it's Google Chrome. I don't
>> know whether the discounted prices work with any browser at all.
>>
>> I could have phoned him and complained about it, but it felt petty. I
>> like the stuff I bought, but it still sticks in my craw that I paid more
>> than I was promised. If I order any of the scraps, I think I'm just going
>> to phone the order in.
>>
>> Peter "aggressive shopping is a contact sport" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:16:50 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik
>> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[John Dewey]

Ted, you should grab a bike and head over to Athens. We’re locals and
Lonely Planet sez Athens is most desirable cycling destination in USA. It’s
all true. Mile after mile of smooth blacktop, up and down through pine
forests. No traffic, many cyclists ❤️

BEST / John Dewey

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:16 AM R Shannon  wrote:

> Certainly spring for Wisconsin!
> Enjoy your warm weather riding in LA珞
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 9:24 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>> Late to the winter riding party but in Atlanta we're straddling winter
>> and spring so take your pick.
>> Daffodils, crocus and spirea (shown) make it look like spring is close;
>> 28 degrees overnight tells me not yet!
>>
>> I'm going to have to call that a spring ride photo, not winter. I don't
>> think I'll see anything like that until late April. :-) (Well, I will be
>> riding in the Los Angeles area in early March)
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

I check regularly and all size S are gone nearly everywhere. Will miss
these guys, they've been part of our consciousness for so many years. Great
wool stuff at always reasonable prices. Good folks for sure.

BEST / Jock Dewey

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:42 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am still or was until last week or so still getting "closeout sale"
> emails from Kucharik; maybe they've finally shut down, but there were open
> until very recently.
>
> Harth Huffman, on the Boblist, owns Wabi Woolens who make excellent
> jerseys; better than Kucharik's IMO.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 5:16 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik
>> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
>>> https://www.kucharik.com/
>>>
>>> I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John
>>> Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice
 solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

I stand corrected, I knew that but can’t get over thinking otherwise for
sone reason. So rare these days, riders without helmets. That, of course,
is taboo discussion as well it should be.

I suppose we all have favorite JB debunking, there are so many. My all-time
fav is the old notion of not greasing BB spindle. He laid that to waste
properly please & thank you. My tattered and greasy bike wheel book always
close by.

Jock

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:28 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> No. He did not land on his head! His brain injury was caused by a stroke
> during the surgery that was done after he'd broken his leg from a fall.
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of
>> course, Jobst had solid engineering chops as exhibited in his work at
>> Porsche.
>>
>> Ah, helmet debate. Jobst did land on his head & that was the end of the
>> road for him. Sadly...or maybe not.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:37 PM Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50
>>> years.
>>>
>>>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the
>>>first time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is 
>>> still
>>>tough, reliable, and cheap.
>>>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to
>>>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out.
>>>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no
>>>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake.
>>>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan
>>>debate the testing protocol.
>>>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the
>>>two times a day he'd shift.
>>>- Yellow.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> rec.bicycles.tech
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still
>>>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills
>>>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle,
>>>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name
>>>> alive!
>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same
>>>>> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals.
>>>>> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I
>>>>> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he 
>>>>> be
>>>>> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial
>>>>> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with
>>>>> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on
>>>>> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some
>>>>> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more
>>>>> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc
>>>>> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the
>>>>> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th
>>>>> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of
>>>>> titanium frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim
>>>>>> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his
>>>>>> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a
>>>>>> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub
>>>>>> would be a yay or nay. As I'

Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of
course, Jobst had solid engineering chops as exhibited in his work at
Porsche.

Ah, helmet debate. Jobst did land on his head & that was the end of the
road for him. Sadly...or maybe not.

BEST / Jock Dewey

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:37 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50
> years.
>
>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first
>time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still tough,
>reliable, and cheap.
>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to
>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out.
>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no
>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake.
>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan
>debate the testing protocol.
>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the
>two times a day he'd shift.
>- Yellow.
>
> Philip
> rec.bicycles.tech
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still
>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills
>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle,
>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name
>> alive!
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same
>>> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals.
>>> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I
>>> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be
>>> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial
>>> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with
>>> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on
>>> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some
>>> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more
>>> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc
>>> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the
>>> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th
>>> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of
>>> titanium frame.
>>>
>>> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim
 brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his
 prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech that
 we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a
 retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily on
 his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub
 would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's
 comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning
 towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have
 beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene
 Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride
 whatever it is to the ground though.

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A
> few things stood out to me:
>
> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the
> work ;)
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod
>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day.
>>
>> Today's Radavist
>> 
>>  article
>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who
>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s).
>>
>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a
>> lot of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Orange Ram touchup paint

[John Dewey]

That is all very true. Matching metallic / pearl formulas is nearly
impossible but you never know…maybe you get lucky. Keep at it ; )

And the TESTORS Boyd’s paints go way way back to the nineties. Probably
impossible to get your brush in.

But good luck! BTW, that’s Boyd Coddington, one of the great old hot rod
designers. TESTORS made a collection of his trademark colors.

BEST / Jock Dewey / xTESTORS

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:53 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> Not sure on that one.
>
> Note that the orange Ram was a layered paint job. Very tough to actually
> "match".
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-8 cdres...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Checked some older postings and cyclofriend who recommended Boyds Roadser
>> Florida Orange Pearl but appears to be out of stock. Anyone tried Boyd's
>> Orange Pearl Enamel?
>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - 2002 Size 60 Rambouillet

[John Dewey]

Beautiful score, Mike! Really decent original shape, too. Somebody took 
wonderful care of it.

Here's another one, blue came along right after creamsicle. I think these 
bikes were created during Grant's Holy Days :  ) 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157702711634681

BEST/ Jock Dewey

PS: BTW, if you don't want that beautiful TA crankset, you can list it here 
and it will be gone in less than five seconds.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:19:24 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I haven't had a proper Riv for about 5 years and had been itching for a 
> simple, rackless bike to take out on mid-day rides with no destination in 
> mind. I picked this up from a seller on Pinkbike. Aside from the 
> wheels/drivetrain, I've switched up everything else about the build. I 
> especially like the aesthetic of the lugged stem/seatpost with the lugs of 
> the frame, so many lugs! Frame has the expected paint rubs and an 
> unexpected small dent in the top tube, but hey, beausage! Now I don't have 
> to be so precious with it. I'm very curious how it will ride compared with 
> my 650b Rando Fitz. 
>
> It's currently kitted out with 48 Noodles, but may switch to Mustache 
> which I'm finding I like more and more. I've got 35mm Bon Jon Pass tires in 
> there now with very little fender room to spare. I may go with 32mm tires 
> and fender it up for the winter and put 35s back on for the summer. I think 
> the wheels are stock Dura Ace 9sp era hubs. The TA cranks are gorgeous, 
> though I'll likely switch them out for WI Road Cranks. I also haven't used 
> DT shifters in at least 10 years, so am excited to try out the Silver 
> Shifters on here.
>
> My ultimate plan is to build up a 700c SS wheelset with WI ENO Eccentric 
> hub. After seeing Will's blog post yesterday about his SS Roadini, my plans 
> solidified. Minneapolis is currently under 6" of fresh snow with single 
> digit temps in the forecast, so haven't gotten this out for a test ride yet.
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zLj1t3dUEogv88a8
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[RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[John Dewey]

Well, LONELY PLANET disagrees, with this to say: 

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/best-places-for-a-cycling-holiday

I've lived both places as cyclist, and confirm LP. Athens, with its 
year-round warm sunny days, an endless matrix of beautiful quiet country 
lanes (i.e. no traffic), delightful hills (mountains neaby), pine forests, 
no traffic is a cycling wonderland like no other. Not comparable. Add the 
music, UGA for culture, enviable culinary arts, ticks all the boxes. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157709138882807

Jock Dewey


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. But 
> you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days in 
> winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor 
> companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized, 
> Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or 
>> Ms Cools but those rides look beautiful! 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
 cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
 "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted 
 by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
 and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
 equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to 
 wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[John Dewey]

If you were lucky enough to find one of those NOS, it'd probably be close 
to the cost Jan's. 

If you need one, cheap at twice the price!

Jock

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:16:59 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> (Channeling my inner Paul B.) I wonder if the Suntour S-1 had the same 
> braze on spec?
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-13 at 8.13.15 PM.png]
> RH isn't the first to replay Simplex (S-1=Simplex one?).
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[John Dewey]

So…RBW. Does a $15,000 handbuilt artbike enjoy preferential treatment or
does it acquire the usual beausage like any other?

Like your lowly, say, old Rambouillet?

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Feeling silly now 

BEST / Jock Dewey



Do you let it get all dinged up like your other bikes or do you treat it
with more respect…because it costs more?

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:51 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Laing pointed out that the shift levers are sold out.
>
> So is the derailer itself!  At least this morning (December 13, 2022) it
> is.
>
> This is never going to be a high volume part.  Plan your next $15000
> custom bike around it, or gaze from a distance...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> Except that the shift levers are sold out!
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see
>>> components like this being made!
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke,
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even
 at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little
 different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this.
 KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it.
 Nivex Rear
 
 [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]

 For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my
 ship comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I
 see the new Riv rear derailer.

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[John Dewey]

David, I've matched a beautiful IRD Defiant 94 BCD (I think my only
crankset that didn't come from you  ) with 46 /30 rings and an early
2000s 960 DA XTR front derailer. It all works perfectly together.

Cheers / Jock Dewey

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:48 AM David Hallerman 
wrote:

> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally
> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run
> on many of my bikes.
>
> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact doubles,
> like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>
> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th
>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting
>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>
>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>>
>>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a
>>> 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one
>>> so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space
 between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?

 Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm
 building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it.
 Think I just found some direction...

 Scott

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 

 John,

 Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small
 reminders are the best.

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso


 p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected.

 On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker  wrote:

 One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any
 trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a
 special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is
 complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.

 It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful
 furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While
 technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two
 years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the
 gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia
 racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The
 Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and
 the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their
 goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception.

 Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes,
 while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering
 up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a
 beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech.

 Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my
 Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works
 beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.

 I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of
 countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the
 mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.

 Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[John Dewey]

Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom 
> of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and 
>> it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What a beautiful way to express it. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit 
>>>> of this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native 
>>>> Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better 
>>>> in the original language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the 
>>>>> desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for 
>>>>> special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little 
>>>>> self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's 
>>>>> meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was 
>>>>> repeated 
>>>>> many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,  
>>>>> knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime. 
>>>>>  
>>>>> This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out 
>>>>> to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are 
>>>>> essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out 
>>>>> how easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer 
>>>>> camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host 
>>>>> with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my 
>>>>> OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I 
>>>>> went 
>>>>> next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk 
>>>>> brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut 
>>>>> still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of 
>>>>> the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of 
>>>>> humanity.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Joyce
>>>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of 
>>>>>> what I own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use 
>>>>>> something, even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something 
>>>>>> because 
>>>>>> it was “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing 
>>>>>> the joy on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am 
>>>>>> more concerned with is theft and road salt. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish 
>>>>>>> around here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees 
>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>> 80kmh winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can 
>>>>>>> be 
>>>>>>> in these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, 
>>>>>>> where 
>>>>>>> it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in 
>>>>>>> Calgary 
>>>>>>> (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to 
>>>>>>> winter 
>>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[John Dewey]

My journey along this path began in 1997, with a Litespeed—full Record
group, 23mm tires that barely fit, carbon fork...light and fast. Lots of
fun to ride. The very next year, as I recall, the newer Record group
included those great Ergo levers that many of us still ride now—with the
guts removed or in the guise of Cane Creek SCR-5 and the similar IRD
Drilliums. I really NEEDED a set of those new Ergo levers, but they were
*so* *expensive*, yikes.

At that point, as I pondered replacing the pointy levers, I had an
epiphany: this is how it will shake out if I continue to chase the
technology...there's no end to it. And I will never catch it. The levers on
my Litesepeed were fine, I just wanted the new ones. I had no need, just a
lot of *want*. BTW, about this same time, I began reading Grant's writing
via his old newsletters and I realized this was the philosophy I adhered
to.

Shortly thereafter, I decided, enough—sold the Litespeed in '99 and had
Richard Schwinn build me a Waterford touring frame, the AC1900. It's still
in my 'rotation' and I'm as fond of it now as I was when it arrived 23
years ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/album-72157702711634681/lightbox/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50492813172/in/album-72157704160992724/

Until then, I didn't realize I needed more than one bicycle—afterall, you
can only ride one at a time. So in autumn 2004, I walked into the great
Williamson Bike Works (RIP) in Madison WI, and saw this gorgeous deep blue
Rambouillet hanging from a hook on the ceiling with a bunch of other
frames. (Remember those days, when you could just walk into a shop and grab
one from the rafters. Don't we miss that?) I bought it on the spot and the
journey began in earnest.

The blue RAM is my only Rivendell but, of course, Richard builds frames for
Grant. And I have two EBISU built by Hiroshi Imura...so all in the same
family.  I have no more bicycle-envy left in me, so my hoarding impulses
now to turn to late '90s components to keep things running at the 9-speed
level. I find it manageable and entertaining, so I'm all good.

BEST / Jock Dewey / NorCAL

On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 7:22 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quickbeams change hands pretty regularly, but I may have only ever seen
> one Riv Mountain for sale. Maybe none. That was one of the first Rivs I was
> ever made aware of, so I've been attuned to them.  A lot of early bikes
> might be in garages and attics.
>
> The nu-Riv Platys seem to come up for sale a lot, but that might not be a
> high percentage of those sold. There might just be more of them, and more
> people active on the list.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif - Armistice Day
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 6:31:10 PM UTC-7 Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
>> I wonder what the least resold Riv is? At least the smallest ratio or
>> percentage of resales to sales. Clearly the Riv Mountain is the least
>> resold.
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[John Dewey]

"And you can just replace the guts...DA bar ends & DT share internals..."

Or, maybe not.

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:03:17 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Have any of you Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed folks ever 'worn out' either 
> bar-end or DT shift levers? 
>
> It must take years. And you can just replace the guts...DA bar ends & DT 
> share internals.
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 7:03 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> The Microshifts are not just cheaper than Dura-Ace, they're cheaper than 
>> anything Shimano.  They're also more sweat resistant than anything Shimano, 
>> I have a history of gumming up Shimano bar-ends.  Never had this problem 
>> with the Microshifts.  I've had them on my Custom for 8 years and will put 
>> them on my Redwood if I ever ride it enough to wear out or gum up the 9 
>> speed 105s that are on there.
>> Jim
>> austin suburbs, tx
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:20 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd 
>>> DS instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them 
>>> for over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are 
>>> also cheaper than Dura Ace.
>>>
>>> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings -
>>>>
>>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
>>>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame 
>>>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>>
>>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>>>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>>>> three options recently:
>>>>
>>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>>>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers 
>>>> (possibly 
>>>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>>>> with a considerable savings.
>>>>
>>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>>>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>>>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>>>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>>>> fine.
>>>>
>>>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>>>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>>>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>>>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>>>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>>>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>>>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>>>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw 
>>>> the 
>>>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>>>> cassette)?
>>>>
>>>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>>>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Corwin
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[John Dewey]

Have any of you Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed folks ever 'worn out' either
bar-end or DT shift levers?

It must take years. And you can just replace the guts...DA bar ends & DT
share internals.

Jock

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 7:03 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> The Microshifts are not just cheaper than Dura-Ace, they're cheaper than
> anything Shimano.  They're also more sweat resistant than anything Shimano,
> I have a history of gumming up Shimano bar-ends.  Never had this problem
> with the Microshifts.  I've had them on my Custom for 8 years and will put
> them on my Redwood if I ever ride it enough to wear out or gum up the 9
> speed 105s that are on there.
> Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:20 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:
>
>> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS
>> instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for
>> over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also
>> cheaper than Dura Ace.
>>
>> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>>
>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen
>>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame
>>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a
>>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen
>>> three options recently:
>>>
>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on
>>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly
>>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out
>>> with a considerable savings.
>>>
>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque
>>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay
>>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9
>>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed
>>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the
>>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several
>>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for
>>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano
>>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers
>>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to
>>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the
>>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed
>>> cassette)?
>>>
>>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be
>>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

[John Dewey]

Just one more...two sheep (both 32mm) on the loose:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/52076718520/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:18:08 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Ah, Rambouillet.
>
> Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all its 
> 18 years:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/
>
> This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH 32mm 
> Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32. BTW, 
> rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>
> PS:  SKS P45 
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM Jon Richardson  wrote:
>
>> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size 
>> fits this frame?  
>>
>> Thanks for the assist! 
>> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

[John Dewey]

Ah, Rambouillet.

Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all its
18 years:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/

This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH 32mm
Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32. BTW,
rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.

BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo

PS:  SKS P45

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> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size
> fits this frame?
>
> Thanks for the assist!
> Jon
>
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Re: [RBW] Bucket List Ride

[John Dewey]

Steve, et. al

Ohio is great and, of course, Circleville, is the halfway point in one of 
the most famous and long-running century rides in the world — TORSV. 

Starting in Columbus traditionally on Mother's Day, the 210 mile, 2-day 
ride heads south from the state Capitol building and follows the Sciotto 
River 105 miles down to Portsmouth on Saturday and then back 105 miles on 
Sunday to Columbus. Those of you out there, and I'm sure there are a few, 
surly remember that delicious chicken dinner prepared by a corps of sweet 
volunteers in Portsmouth. All you could eat and the perfect century dinner 
party...shared by thousands. Pacelines with tandems out front stretching 
out miles behind. All trying to shake off those cold Midwestern winters. 

What a hoot...and apologies for hijacking the thread.

BEST / Jock Dewey / now NorCal

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:20:16 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> John, I ride out of Circleville every few years, my partners daughter 
> lives there, and I also find it a delight. Very different from  New 
> Hampshire, but always enjoyable. Enjoyed your puctures andwill stop in the 
> cafe in Amanda next time I am out there. Steve
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 8:02 PM John G  wrote:
>
>>   Last week I had the chance to do a ride that I've wanted to do for a 
>> long time.  About 10 years ago I saw a photo on Flickr that I found very 
>> appealing, and I decided that I would try to ride to that location and take 
>> a photo there if the opportunity ever presented itself.  It was not in any 
>> exotic or extreme location, but the photo spoke to me of all that's 
>> interesting about exploring on a bike and discovering new places.  
>>
>> I combined some riding with some family responsibilities last week on a 
>> visit to Ohio and decided that now was the time to visit the site I'd 
>> always wanted to.
>>
>> I started my ride at A.W. Marion State Park in Circleville, Ohio and 
>> started out on the country roads.   I will say that Central Ohio is heaven 
>> for riding a three speed.   The hills are short, and not particularly 
>> steep, but it is not so flat as to get boring. :)
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374624141_7995c7daab_z.jpg
>>
>> I rode to Amanda, Ohio, and found a coffee shop to take a break at, and 
>> had a nice discussion of regional trails with one of the customers.  
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374936314_ac38d7140e_w.jpg 
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52375040080_0853861072_w.jpg
>>
>> Then it was back out to ride to my main photo location.  
>> I found the intersection of Ridge Road and Cedar Hill Road and was able 
>> to take my photo.  A place absolutely new to me, but with a sense of 
>> familiarity.
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374849778_866c9c4b30_c.jpg
>>
>>  I expected it to be anti-climatic, but I was mistaken.  It was a ride in 
>> a beautiful area on an absolutely gorgeous day, and I carried a high with 
>> me back to my start.
>> "https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374640216_02af8c1766_c.jpg;
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374640276_5d6a3af3e1_w.jpg
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374952844_66099cd8d3_w.jpg
>>
>> I had several other wonderful rides last week, but this was a highlight.
>>
>> Not everything on the bucket list has to be grand, or epic or whatever.  
>> Some things can be just comfortable and fun (but if anyone wants to send me 
>> to Italy, there are places there on my bucket list too...).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John Gorham
>> Union Bridge, MD
>>
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Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[John Dewey]

Eric, et. al.:

I stumbled upon Shimano RR M760 quite a few years ago and snatched a bunch 
of 'em up. Enough to mount on four 'daily' riders and a few more to replace 
any that stop working or suffer trauma, etc.. Shift levers are all Dura-Ace 
9 speed mounted on DT.

All of them are now as sharp and precise as the day they were attached. I 
don't ride gravel very often, my bikes are primarily built for the road—so 
there is that. But for every-day riding on the road, I can't image that 
giant spring softening up. And shifting up the cassette, especially under 
load, is as smooth and quiet and 'effortless' as can be. I know that's 
Grant's primary reasoning, because he told me.

The one caveat—if there is one—is that if you suffer just a bit of dyslexia 
as I do (a left/right kind of dys) my experience tells me I can't go back 
and forth from 'low normal' to 'normal'. Makes me crazy. If you can always 
remember left from right, you'll probably have no problems. 

With a bit of compulsive polishing, these M760s are gorgeous units and will 
look perfectly 'at home' on any bike no matter the builder: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/48660635053/in/dateposted-public/

Another probably unnecessary/stupid maneuver I habitually follow is that 
when I park a bike at ride's end, I move the chain up the cassette to relax 
the spring. Don't know if this really matters or not, but it makes some 
sense to me.

BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo





On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:09:31 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Path Less Pedaled just did an entire video episode on Rapid Rise/Low 
> Normal derailleurs that’s definitely worth watching.
>
> One point that came up in the comments from viewers is that shifting to 
> lower gears is done entirely through the strength of the spring in the 
> derailleur. Move the shifter to release more cable, and the *spring* pushes 
> the chain onto a larger cog. In practice, according to people who had used 
> RR/LN extensively, was that normal stuff that happens to derailleurs (they 
> get dirty or muddy, or need lubrication) makes that spring’s job harder, 
> with the result that it doesn’t work as well. 
>
> Shifting to a larger cog also benefits from a slight decrease in pedaling 
> pressure while shifting (again, to make the spring’s job easier). That’s 
> not always possible when you’re grinding up a steep incline and need to 
> grab a lower gear. This may be part of the reason why RR/LN was phased out 
> … along with the fact that it was “different” in an industry that mostly 
> prizes conformity.
>
> Full disclosure: I’ve never used a RR/LN setup, although I do ride almost 
> exclusively with friction-shifting downtube levers.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Aug 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Do you run a Rapid Rise derailer? Do you like it? Have you had one before 
> and just didn't get it? What's the *deal?*
>
> With all the commotion over Rivendell's plan to build their own production 
> low-normal derailer I figured I'd try one out for myself. The first one I 
> picked up was an XTR RD-M951 which I suspected had a bent pulley cage, some 
> of you may remember I posted about this mech a few weeks ago. 
>
> I found this Nexave on eBay for $17 so figured I'd give it a shot. This 
> model, to my mind, is *the* classic rapid rise derailer. Silver, shiny, 
> long cage, external guide pulley, pivoting cable guide for a short bit of 
> housing over the rear dropout. Grant mentioned that this was his favorite 
> model, cosmetically. I like it, too. 
>
> So far I haven't put many miles on it but no complaints. I like getting 
> into the easier gears with a light touch. I'm running the derailer on my 
> Appaloosa with a Silver 38/24 crank and a 9-speed 11-36 cassette. It's 
> wired up to the original Suntour Power Thumb shifters which are mounted in 
> the reversed, under-hand style also known as the Riv-versed or Rivendell 
> brifter style. 
>
> With the reverse-mounted shifters I did like pushing the lever away from 
> me to get an easier gear with a high-normal derailer installed. That made 
> sense. Pulling the lever to me for an easier gear is taking a bit of 
> getting used to but the action required is so light that it's not a problem 
> so far. 
>
> Unfortunately, I haven't yet been in a situation where I'm climbing and 
> experience a mis-shift under torque resulting in the derailer bumping me to 
> an easier gear. I'm looking forward to it, really. 
>
> One thing I can't get my head wrapped around is why Grant and Rivendell 
> want to make this happen and go through so much trouble and expense. It is 
> quite a complicated undertaking. It seems if you're into low-normal 
> derailers they're out there if you look hard enough and have some patience. 
> Perhaps it's just what they do and what they're about. They want something 
> to exist that has gone out of production, they 

Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[John Dewey]

Last M760 RR data point — looking back at my old bike pix, at least one of 
my reverse-normal M760s has been hard-at-work for 9 years. Was mounted in 
2013 for sure, maybe just a bit earlier. 

Jock Dewey
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Eric, et. al.:
>
> I stumbled upon Shimano RR M760 quite a few years ago and snatched a bunch 
> of 'em up. Enough to mount on four 'daily' riders and a few more to replace 
> any that stop working or suffer trauma, etc.. Shift levers are all Dura-Ace 
> 9 speed mounted on DT.
>
> All of them are now as sharp and precise as the day they were attached. I 
> don't ride gravel very often, my bikes are primarily built for the road—so 
> there is that. But for every-day riding on the road, I can't image that 
> giant spring softening up. And shifting up the cassette, especially under 
> load, is as smooth and quiet and 'effortless' as can be. I know that's 
> Grant's primary reasoning, because he told me.
>
> The one caveat—if there is one—is that if you suffer just a bit of 
> dyslexia as I do (a left/right kind of dys) my experience tells me I can't 
> go back and forth from 'low normal' to 'normal'. Makes me crazy. If you can 
> always remember left from right, you'll probably have no problems. 
>
> With a bit of compulsive polishing, these M760s are gorgeous units and 
> will look perfectly 'at home' on any bike no matter the builder: 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/48660635053/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Another probably unnecessary/stupid maneuver I habitually follow is that 
> when I park a bike at ride's end, I move the chain up the cassette to relax 
> the spring. Don't know if this really matters or not, but it makes some 
> sense to me.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:09:31 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Path Less Pedaled just did an entire video episode on Rapid Rise/Low 
>> Normal derailleurs that’s definitely worth watching.
>>
>> One point that came up in the comments from viewers is that shifting to 
>> lower gears is done entirely through the strength of the spring in the 
>> derailleur. Move the shifter to release more cable, and the *spring* pushes 
>> the chain onto a larger cog. In practice, according to people who had used 
>> RR/LN extensively, was that normal stuff that happens to derailleurs (they 
>> get dirty or muddy, or need lubrication) makes that spring’s job harder, 
>> with the result that it doesn’t work as well. 
>>
>> Shifting to a larger cog also benefits from a slight decrease in pedaling 
>> pressure while shifting (again, to make the spring’s job easier). That’s 
>> not always possible when you’re grinding up a steep incline and need to 
>> grab a lower gear. This may be part of the reason why RR/LN was phased out 
>> … along with the fact that it was “different” in an industry that mostly 
>> prizes conformity.
>>
>> Full disclosure: I’ve never used a RR/LN setup, although I do ride almost 
>> exclusively with friction-shifting downtube levers.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Do you run a Rapid Rise derailer? Do you like it? Have you had one before 
>> and just didn't get it? What's the *deal?*
>>
>> With all the commotion over Rivendell's plan to build their own 
>> production low-normal derailer I figured I'd try one out for myself. The 
>> first one I picked up was an XTR RD-M951 which I suspected had a bent 
>> pulley cage, some of you may remember I posted about this mech a few weeks 
>> ago. 
>>
>> I found this Nexave on eBay for $17 so figured I'd give it a shot. This 
>> model, to my mind, is *the* classic rapid rise derailer. Silver, shiny, 
>> long cage, external guide pulley, pivoting cable guide for a short bit of 
>> housing over the rear dropout. Grant mentioned that this was his favorite 
>> model, cosmetically. I like it, too. 
>>
>> So far I haven't put many miles on it but no complaints. I like getting 
>> into the easier gears with a light touch. I'm running the derailer on my 
>> Appaloosa with a Silver 38/24 crank and a 9-speed 11-36 cassette. It's 
>> wired up to the original Suntour Power Thumb shifters which are mounted in 
>> the reversed, under-hand style also known as the Riv-versed or Rivendell 
>> brifter style. 
>>
>> With the reverse-mounted shifters I did like pushing the lever away from 
>> me to get an easier gear with a high-normal derailer in