Re: [RBW] Across the USA by Bike in 1983: A Rivendell-ish Adventure Documentary

[John Moore]

Thanks for posting. The following year, 1983 spent 5 months touring in Europe, 
starting in UK and ending in Crete. To this day, wish I kept going and traveled 
around the world. Oh well, still a life changing trip.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 29, 2022, at 6:59 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I received an email about an upcoming documentary series about a group of 31 
> teenagers who rode their bikes across the US in 1983:
> 
> https://www.shadowofawheel.com 
> 
> The film looks very interesting, based on the trailer on the web site. Fans 
> of Rivendell will certainly see familiar themes that carry through to today: 
> simple bikes, total lack of lycra, and a love of cycling. I can imagine a 
> young Grant taking part in such an adventure.
> 
> I plan to watch for the release of the films in early 2023.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[John Moore]

Saddles are a very personal choice. What fits one may not fit another thus I 
tread lightly into this topic. 

Personally, been riding Fizik Alicantes for years. By far the most comfortable 
saddle on my road bikes. Do have a Prologo nago on my MTB which is quite nice 
as well. 

Caveat: But what works for you is unlikely to be what works for me. 

John

> On Sep 23, 2022, at 8:17 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Ben -- most saddles are arc-shaped and I like flat saddles. I 
> really liked my Velo Orange wide touring saddle. It's firm but not too firm 
> and has a rubbery texture. Bag loops are a plus. I find this saddle to be not 
> breathable enough for me (I don't wear bike shorts). My current saddle is a 
> Selle Anatomica H2.
> 
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Advantages of front loading

[John Moore]

Aww, that 80’s vintage Fuji Royale wasn’t so bad as long as you distributed 
weight properly - about double weight in front compared to back. What was scary 
were the descents with those side pull road brakes - seriously outmatched for a 
weighted Royale. 

How do I know this? 5+ months touring Europe in ‘84 from UK to Crete. It was an 
awesome adventure. 

Far older now but looking to get back into touring again. Atlantis frame 
arrives Wed. Can’t wait. 

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 3:22 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> 
> Patrick
> 
> Have you tried any loads split between the front and the rear???   Say 15# in 
> front and 30# in rear??   
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 9:14:37 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Just curious, after adjusting my Ortlieb Sports Packers to the front 
>> lowriders and carrying home about 12 bulky lbs on the front of the 2020 
>> Matthews which is a geometrical clone of a 2003 Riv Road custom -- Riv lost 
>> the geometry chart but I think it's med trail.
>> 
>> 10 or 12 lb makes almost no difference in handling, but it does make 
>> wheeling the bike one-handed (gripping stem and adjacent bar) through the 
>> aisles less easy; 20 lb does slow the handling noticeably though not 
>> impossibly. ~15 evenly divided is about the max for happiness.
>> 
>> Rear loads are more stable. 20 lb in the rear is not noticeable, 30 lb in 
>> the rear affects handling less than 20 (evenly distributed) does in front, 
>> and I've carried 45 with the bike still rideable. (For comparo, my best rear 
>> loader was an early 1970s thinnish wall and normal gauge 531 framed racing 
>> bike with long stays and shortish front-center: Motobecane Grand Record. 
>> Though light and flexy, with a very stiff 400 gram Tubus Fly this carried 45 
>> better than any stouter-tubed road bike I've owned, including any of 4 Riv 
>> road models (well, if a first-gen Sam Hill is "road). Another nice rear 
>> grocery load carrier was an '80s Fuji Royale "12 speed" that actually 
>> handled better with 20 lb in back than it did unladen; that one hated front 
>> loads.
>> 
>> So, after that long windup, what is the benefit of front loading on 
>> Rivendell models. Is it purely convenience?
>> 
>> And, different question: what is the benefit of front loading on 
>> non-Rivendell low-trail bikes: convenience?
>> 
>> Just curious and describing my own experience.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: High bars at a club ride

[John Moore]

I’m a strong advocate of just enjoy the ride and the more people I see getting 
out on their bikes the better as good Ol’Mother Earth needs all the help we can 
give her. 

Here in Boston, there is a dramatic difference in the number of people I know 
see out and about on bikes compared to a decade ago, and the decade before 
that. All good. 

That being said, I’m a tried and true “roadie” that use to race in my home 
state of Colorado and more recently here in  New England area and have always 
ridden drop bar bikes. I’m on the hoods a good part of most rides but I also 
have about an 11-12cm drop from saddle to top of bars, so yes, it is lower and 
I find more efficient for that type of riding. 

Am downshifting to a certain degree with an Atlantis that will likely have 
Tosco bars. This will be for a different style of riding, more touring and 
stopping to smell the roses. 

But I’ll be keeping those road bikes as well as sometimes I just love the feel 
and handling of them. 

All bikes and bike configurations are good as long as they get ridden and not 
collecting dust. 

> On Jul 26, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, of course everyone should ride what they prefer to ride. Just Ride, 
> and all that jazz, and love your bike and stuff.
> 
> I think what Marc is saying is that it just seems ironic. We both feel it is 
> our handlebars that make the roadies look askance at us. Something about 
> swept-back bars says “not serious” to the other riders in a club ride. But 
> truthfully, they are sitting upright on the tops of their drop bars about as 
> tall as I am, so is there really a huge difference? 
> 
> I mean, it’s a fair question…
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:29:03 AM UTC-4 Marc Irwin wrote:
>> It was a normal Monday night ride with the Kalamazoo Bicycle Club.  A 
>> typical group was riding 15-16 MPH for 25 or so miles.  A good bunch of 
>> people in biking regalia on their over the counter crotch rockets with drop 
>> bars, except for me and Leah Peterson on our Rivendells. with upright bars.  
>>   In the lousy cell phone shot I took from the back of the group, Leah is 
>> the second white helmet from from the front left.  Notice her posture 
>> compared to the body position of all the riders on their drop bars.
>> 
>> It was that way the whole ride. Most club riders assume their drop bars make 
>> them faster, after all, EVERYBODY uses them right?  
>> 
>> Marc
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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[John Moore]

Garth, couldn’t have said it better myself.
Whatever works for YOU is all that counts…
…though I have been known to give pointers to relatively new riders on form, 
cadence, gearing etiquette, etc. to help them maintain pace in a paceline. 

Johnnysmooth 

> On Jul 26, 2022, at 8:44 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've ridden many a mile and raced with quite low drops bars. I've ridden many 
> a mile with with quite high Albatross bars. 
> 
> I've ridden many a mile with "regular/street" clothes. I've ridden many a 
> mile with "cycling specific" clothes. 
> 
> Day/night/up/down and all around . 
> 
> Who/what is to say one "position/way" is better than any other ?
> 
> That "who/what" is but the given position trying to justify itself !   Not 
> the rider, the one riding. These "positions" take many forms, be it 
> formations of size and shape or thoughts/opinions/attitudes inwards and 
> outwards towards "others". Sometimes the rider seems to "lose themselves" in 
> these "positions" and seem to believe they ARE the "position". They are not, 
> ever. One is not "what they say", One is That They IS" .BEING !  ((( 
> laughing ))) 
> 
> Such is the "egomania" of such "positions" !  ((( laughing heartily ))) 
> Always seeking validation, a pat on the ol' back, a status up high or even 
> down low... and a ho-ho-ho !
> 
>  
> Nevertheless There's endless way to ride !  As you ride 'em all you 
> clealy see that they all have thier place/time/space/etc, that there is no 
> valid basis for comparing/raising/lowering one to any "other" one as there is 
> only The-One-ALL . This Presence called "Here/Now/This/The-IS" ! 
> 
> Just Ride sunshine ! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS- 2 pair Paul Touring Cantis, used. $190 +shipping

[John Moore]

Sorry Paul to space out on shipping costs. Will take care of today. 

John

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 1:05 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> I have the brakes packaged and ready for the P.O. and can do that today if 
> you wish. But, your PayPal payment did not include the shipping as mentioned 
> in the title and body of my post. Sorry for any inconvenience, but could you 
> add the $9.45 Priority Flat Rate charge in a separate transaction? (I assume 
> that is easiest for you.)
> 
> I did not want to ship the package without checking that you're OK with that.
> 
> Regards,
> Paul Germain
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Moore 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2022 11:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: FS- 2 pair Paul Touring Cantis, used. $190 +shipping
> 
> Will take care of tomorrow Paul. 
> Thanks. 
> 
> John 
> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2022, at 9:25 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> Brakes are spoken for. Thanks all.
>> 
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>> 
>> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:57:56 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>> (Please forgive the double-post on the other list serve.)
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720300757861/with/52236469259/
>> 2 pair brakes w/straddle cables, new pads, new (DiaCompe) straddle cable 
>> carriers. Some minor wrench marks on flats. Otherwise in very good condition 
>> with no internal wear.
>> I can ship USPS in a Small Flat Rate box for $9.45.  PayPal preferred. 
>> Please respond via PM.
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Re: [RBW] FS- 2 pair Paul Touring Cantis, used. $190 +shipping

[John Moore]

Paul,
All I'm seeing is rbr owners group as an email. Can't rightly go that route
for paypal. Can you please provide your email address?
Thanks,
John

On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 9:21 PM 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> John,
>
> They're yours. I can run them to the P.O. on Monday. Is Priority Flat Rate
> OK? If not I can investigate cheaper. No big hurry but put it through Pay
> Pal using this email address anytime tomorrow. I'll mark them spoken for.
>
> Thanks a bunch!
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: John Moore 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2022 8:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [RBW] FS- 2 pair Paul Touring Cantis, used. $190 +shipping
>
> I'll take those brakes if you still have them.
> John
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 3:57 PM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> (Please forgive the double-post on the other list serve.)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720300757861/with/52236469259/
> 2 pair brakes w/straddle cables, new pads, new (DiaCompe) straddle cable
> carriers. Some minor wrench marks on flats. Otherwise in very good
> condition with no internal wear.
> I can ship USPS in a Small Flat Rate box for $9.45.  PayPal preferred.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS- 2 pair Paul Touring Cantis, used. $190 +shipping

[John Moore]

Will take care of tomorrow Paul. 
Thanks. 

John 

> On Jul 23, 2022, at 9:25 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
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> Brakes are spoken for. Thanks all.
> 
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
> 
>> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 3:57:56 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>> (Please forgive the double-post on the other list serve.)
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720300757861/with/52236469259/
>> 2 pair brakes w/straddle cables, new pads, new (DiaCompe) straddle cable 
>> carriers. Some minor wrench marks on flats. Otherwise in very good condition 
>> with no internal wear.
>> I can ship USPS in a Small Flat Rate box for $9.45.  PayPal preferred. 
>> Please respond via PM.
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Re: [RBW] FS- 2 pair Paul Touring Cantis, used. $190 +shipping

[John Moore]

I'll take those brakes if you still have them.
John

On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 3:57 PM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> 2 pair brakes w/straddle cables, new pads, new (DiaCompe) straddle cable
> carriers. Some minor wrench marks on flats. Otherwise in very good
> condition with no internal wear.
> I can ship USPS in a Small Flat Rate box for $9.45.  PayPal preferred.
> Please respond via PM.
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Vaporware?

[John Moore]

On another site, it has been reported that the organizer of NAHBS had
fallen quite ill and unable to pull together the event this year. In a note
he sent to exhibitors, he also stated that there was not enough exhibitor
interest to make a go of it.

Keep fingers crossed for next yr

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 2:40 AM Wesley  wrote:

> I found the website for the National Western Complex, and the show doesn't
> appear in their online schedule. I'm not sure what's going on. One of the
> Facebook posts does list a phone number for Don, if you feel like calling
> him to ask.
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> The January update is pinned so it will stay at the top of their page. If
>> you scroll past it, there are plenty more updates (the most recent one is
>> July 6). Just browsing the Facebook page, I see that there's a video where
>> the organizer (it looks like Don organizes the show all by himself) was in
>> the hospital for a coronary embolism in May. So that probably explains the
>> slack organization this year. Anyway, the video from June 13 says the show
>> is at the National Western Complex. Hope this helps, and have fun!
>> -W
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:11:52 PM UTC-7 K Griffin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all—
>>>
>>>A bunch of us have been ready to head to Denver in late Sept for the
>>> NAHBS event.  The NAHBS.com website is not responding.  Their last
>>> facebook post announced the event… back in January.  I saw references
>>> online to it being at the Colo. convention center, but it’s not on their
>>> schedule.  Same for the Coliseum on the north side of town.  Does anyone
>>> have any more information about this event?
>>>
>>>Stay cool, and keep the rubber side down!
>>>
>>> —Kurt in Sioux Falls
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bars and more bars...

[John Moore]

Thanks Lance. That does seem to be the problem, so many (too many?) choices in 
bars. 

I do ride road and mtn, though probably 80% road thus that desire for something 
with a little drop and having a variety of hand positions. Am narrowing down 
option and albatross is in there. 

John

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Lance Terry  wrote:
> 
> John,
> I'm running Wavie bars on my Atlantis and really like them. I'm also a 
> mountain biker and maybe I'm just used to the wider bars and the feel of 
> them. I'm running silver thumbies and it works great. Definitely room for a 
> handlebar bag. I'm using them with the Jim stem, 80mm. Works great for me but 
> there are a lot of options. The Albatross is a favorite too. Hard decision to 
> make when you can't try out all the options, at least with a limited bank 
> account. 
> 
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 7:25:42 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Tough question! Sure to get a lot of different opinions. I am on my first 
>> Riv after decades on drops. I really like my 650 wide Tosco bar on my Clem 
>> L. The 650 might be the only one available in the 31.8 clamp size, which is 
>> nice as it is plenty stiff & simply does not slip using a FacePlater stem. 
>> It does not have as much rise as the Bosco. I doubt you will want to flip 
>> them once you try them upright. There are (for me) three good hand 
>> positions. It’s great for a handlebar bag. And it costs less than the Nitto 
>> bars though the finish is great. It is a heavy thing being ChrMo but it 
>> feels indestructible.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2022, at 8:54 PM, John Moore  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> In a few weeks I'll join the Rivendell ranks taking possession of a new 
>>> Atlantis 59cm. This will be my first more relaxed bike after decades of 
>>> serious road biking - basically downshifting, partly due to health, partly 
>>> due to changes in what I want a bike to do. 
>>> 
>>> For this Atlantis, I plan to do relaxed around town rides and voyages on 
>>> gravel roads - eg northern New England, rails to trails, eg the cross NY 
>>> state trail system etc., self-supported with the camping gear and the like. 
>>> 
>>> I'm starting to put together my build list and all is coming along fine. 
>>> Brooks saddle, Silver 178 crank, shimano rear derailleur, older campy front 
>>> derailleur, etc.
>>> 
>>> Where I'm really struggling is picking out the bars. Will have thumbies, 
>>> may want to have handlebar bag as well (used one yrs ago when touring 
>>> through Europe) and found it super handy. Also, remember, I'm very 
>>> accustomed to drop bars.
>>> 
>>> So...
>>> 
>>> Looking at Albastashe, but doesn't look compatible with handlebar bag. 
>>> Don't want stem and bar combo. Albatross looks better for handlebar bag but 
>>> not as many hand positions. Not sure about Bosco or Losco, would likely 
>>> flip most of these to get some drop. The portola handlebar from Soma looks 
>>> interesting but unlikely to have enough sweepback for that long top tube of 
>>> Atlantis. 
>>> 
>>> Lastly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better 
>>> then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which 
>>> seems to be the case with Pauls.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me 
>>> a hand. Appreciate any and all replies.
>>> 
>>> - John
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Potential Wheel Trade?

[John Moore]

While I don’t have said wheel, I do have a couple of Campy freewheel hubs 
floating about if you’re interested. Would let one go for a very nominal fee 
from one Campyonly person to another. 

John 

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 3:04 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seeing if there’s any interest out there. I have a pair of Rich-built 650B 
> wheels—Synergy rims on Phil Wood hubs (rear is 135mm spacing, but can be 
> pretty easily changed to 130mm). Strong and true and in great condition. 
> Accepts a 9-speed cassette (which I will include).
> 
> I’m looking for a nice pair of 700C wheels to replace these, but with 130mm 
> spacing. Freewheel or free hub preferred, and also not Shimano hubs if 
> possible.
> 
> Looking for a straight trade—we ship wheelsets to each other.
> 
> Anybody?
> 
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Bike Travel Bag for Atlantis 62 cm

[John Moore]

You may want to take a look at Pika Bags. Believe they are based out of Utah 
and make a very nice soft bag for bike travel. I have one for my XL MTB. They 
may have one that will fit yours or be willing to do a slight custom for ya. 

John

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 8:55 PM, Tom Conlon  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to get one of the new design Atlantis bikes, a 62cm version. I 
> intend to travel with the big Atlantis by plane. Its axle-to-axle measure is 
> 128cm.
> 
> I have a circa 2019 Evoc Bike Bag Pro that handles a MTB with a wheelbase of 
> 124 cm, with wheels, seat and bars removed. That's the max bike size Evoc 
> says this bag can handle.  
> 
> I am not sure if these big and long Rivendells are going to fit that Evoc 
> bag, which I think is the largest they make. 
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with using a bike travel bag for one of the 
> XL Rivendells?  Gotta find a travel bag solution or can't get a Riv bike. Any 
> suggestions for bags/boxes would be much appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [RBW] Bars and more bars...

[John Moore]

Thank you one and ll who have provided some feedback on bars and brakes. Really 
helps a lot with decision process. 

And yes, after some years racing, fast group rides, big long solos in a day I 
do see moving to a Riv as a bit of downshifting but that is not a bad thing. In 
fact I’m really looking forward to those longer more leisurely adventures on 
one of these beautiful frames - just want to be sure that it is a comfortable 
ride as I know from past experiences, the wrong bars can just get uncomfortable 
after a period of time. While I don’t mind sitting more upright for a good part 
of ride, there are times when I just want to get down into the bike, eg drops. 


Happy trails,
John

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 9:25 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> Tough question! Sure to get a lot of different opinions. I am on my first 
> Riv after decades on drops. I really like my 650 wide Tosco bar on my Clem L. 
> The 650 might be the only one available in the 31.8 clamp size, which is nice 
> as it is plenty stiff & simply does not slip using a FacePlater stem. It does 
> not have as much rise as the Bosco. I doubt you will want to flip them once 
> you try them upright. There are (for me) three good hand positions. It’s 
> great for a handlebar bag. And it costs less than the Nitto bars though the 
> finish is great. It is a heavy thing being ChrMo but it feels indestructible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2022, at 8:54 PM, John Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> In a few weeks I'll join the Rivendell ranks taking possession of a new 
>> Atlantis 59cm. This will be my first more relaxed bike after decades of 
>> serious road biking - basically downshifting, partly due to health, partly 
>> due to changes in what I want a bike to do. 
>> 
>> For this Atlantis, I plan to do relaxed around town rides and voyages on 
>> gravel roads - eg northern New England, rails to trails, eg the cross NY 
>> state trail system etc., self-supported with the camping gear and the like. 
>> 
>> I'm starting to put together my build list and all is coming along fine. 
>> Brooks saddle, Silver 178 crank, shimano rear derailleur, older campy front 
>> derailleur, etc.
>> 
>> Where I'm really struggling is picking out the bars. Will have thumbies, may 
>> want to have handlebar bag as well (used one yrs ago when touring through 
>> Europe) and found it super handy. Also, remember, I'm very accustomed to 
>> drop bars.
>> 
>> So...
>> 
>> Looking at Albastashe, but doesn't look compatible with handlebar bag. Don't 
>> want stem and bar combo. Albatross looks better for handlebar bag but not as 
>> many hand positions. Not sure about Bosco or Losco, would likely flip most 
>> of these to get some drop. The portola handlebar from Soma looks interesting 
>> but unlikely to have enough sweepback for that long top tube of Atlantis. 
>> 
>> Lastly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better 
>> then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which 
>> seems to be the case with Pauls.
>> 
>> Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me 
>> a hand. Appreciate any and all replies.
>> 
>> - John
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[RBW] Bars and more bars...

[John Moore]

In a few weeks I'll join the Rivendell ranks taking possession of a new
Atlantis 59cm. This will be my first more relaxed bike after decades of
serious road biking - basically downshifting, partly due to health, partly
due to changes in what I want a bike to do.

For this Atlantis, I plan to do relaxed around town rides and voyages on
gravel roads - eg northern New England, rails to trails, eg the cross NY
state trail system etc., self-supported with the camping gear and the like.

I'm starting to put together my build list and all is coming along fine.
Brooks saddle, Silver 178 crank, shimano rear derailleur, older campy front
derailleur, etc.

Where I'm really struggling is picking out the bars. Will have thumbies,
may want to have handlebar bag as well (used one yrs ago when touring
through Europe) and found it super handy. Also, remember, I'm very
accustomed to drop bars.

So...

Looking at Albastashe, but doesn't look compatible with handlebar bag.
Don't want stem and bar combo. Albatross looks better for handlebar bag but
not as many hand positions. Not sure about Bosco or Losco, would likely
flip most of these to get some drop. The portola handlebar from Soma looks
interesting but unlikely to have enough sweepback for that long top tube of
Atlantis.

Lastly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better
then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which
seems to be the case with Pauls.

Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me
a hand. Appreciate any and all replies.

- John

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