[RBW] Re: May be a dumb question but if you've shortened your bars once can you do it again?

[Les Lammers]

It may be the width of the bar not the length of the sweep. Wider bars 
increase steering response. More twitchy.

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:47:33 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> This is about my Choco-norm bars on my mixte
>
> Mark at RBW chopped about 15mm or so off the ends. I still find them  
> kinda twitchy with the longer stem...or I'm just so used to moustache bars 
> I have trouble adapting to other bars.
>
> That being said, if you've chopped off your bars once, can you chop off 
> more? Somehow I suspect  it  might not be a good idea  to take more off the 
> ends of the same  handlebar but I'm not sure
>
> Thanks in advance for advice
>
> Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: May be a dumb question but if you've shortened your bars once can you do it again?

[Les Lammers]

Presently, I have a 120mm stem on the 55cm Cheviot that has a 59.5cm 
effective top tube and have not trimmed the bar ends. Using Paul thumbies 
but I will change to the IRD stem mount shifters to clean up the bars. This 
is my first 'upright' bike and the varied hand positions of the Bosco bars 
are working for me. 

What do you mean by twitchy feeling?

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 3:52:31 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> this is maybe one instance where  trying it out might have been a great 
> idea
>
> when I ordered my mixte  I originally thought moustache or albastache. 
> Grant said I might like Bosco but I wasn't sold on them - too high and too 
> wide and then we went with Choco-norm bars flipped down and Mark did have 
> to tweak things a little (chop bars and 12 or 13cm stem instead of reg 8 or 
> 9 cm stem) and they did offer to swap cockpits for shipping for the 1st 6 
> months...one of their swaps was an albatross if I wanted.
>
> BTW no complaint about RBW customer service here...not making this about 
> that
>
> Just want to get that beautiful custom dialed in to my riding style while 
> I'm still stylin :)
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 12:51:54 PM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> FWIW, I've had a hard time getting the bars 'right' for me on my Cheviot. 
>> *I* never could get comfortable with the Choco Norm bar. I stumbled on this 
>> http://zedmartinez.com/2016/06/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/ Perhaps it will 
>> help. I got Bosco bars and am setting them up as in the article. Good luck.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:47:33 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>> This is about my Choco-norm bars on my mixte
>>>
>>> Mark at RBW chopped about 15mm or so off the ends. I still find them  
>>> kinda twitchy with the longer stem...or I'm just so used to moustache bars 
>>> I have trouble adapting to other bars.
>>>
>>> That being said, if you've chopped off your bars once, can you chop off 
>>> more? Somehow I suspect  it  might not be a good idea  to take more off the 
>>> ends of the same  handlebar but I'm not sure
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for advice
>>>
>>> Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg
>>>  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: May be a dumb question but if you've shortened your bars once can you do it again?

[Les Lammers]

Ryan,

FWIW, I've had a hard time getting the bars 'right' for me on my Cheviot. 
*I* never could get comfortable with the Choco Norm bar. I stumbled on this 
http://zedmartinez.com/2016/06/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/ Perhaps it will 
help. I got Bosco bars and am setting them up as in the article. Good luck.

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:47:33 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> This is about my Choco-norm bars on my mixte
>
> Mark at RBW chopped about 15mm or so off the ends. I still find them  
> kinda twitchy with the longer stem...or I'm just so used to moustache bars 
> I have trouble adapting to other bars.
>
> That being said, if you've chopped off your bars once, can you chop off 
> more? Somehow I suspect  it  might not be a good idea  to take more off the 
> ends of the same  handlebar but I'm not sure
>
> Thanks in advance for advice
>
> Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Les Lammers]

I seem to have the same issue with my Cheviot. I have some Albatross bars 
I'd like to use but a bar end shifter is stuck is one side and nothing I've 
tried so far will budge it. I may trim the bars a bit and see if that helps.


On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 2:26:35 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Hi Tim...you make a good point about not shoving the saddle back   and  my 
> other Rivs are not in the least twitchy but this one with Chocos ,  to my 
> mind, is and this is after Mark tweaked it by swapping in a longer stem (12 
> or 13cm) and cutting off  14mm off the choc. bars. Riv graciously gave me 
> my choice of what I wanted to do. so I went with that option. One way or 
> the other, I'm still a few millimeters from Nirvana but I'm also thinking 
> that the configuration is just not what I'm  personally used to. I haven't 
> ridden an upright bike since I was 13 or 14. Totally fixable , though, I am 
> sure
>
>  BTW not using this forum to criticize Rivendell who could not have been 
> more accommodating and who built me  a  gorgeous bike.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, but couldn't one simulate cutting off 
>> the Choco bars by gripping them a bit further forward from the ends. I say 
>> this because I'm guessing that the "twitchiness" you both describe (a 
>> description I've never heard about any Riv) maybe is due to the increased 
>> leverage from gripping the very swept back Choco bars at the end (the 
>> natural place one would grab, of course.) It seems the swept back bars are, 
>> in essence, a lever, and the further away from the axis of rotation, the 
>> easier (twitchier?) it is to turn the wheels. If you notice less response 
>> when you move your hands in, then shorten the bars. I'm thinking that by 
>> moving the seat back, more weight goes to the rear wheel, thus the 
>> twitchiness could get worse. Full disclosure: I am about as far from an 
>> engineer or bike designer as I could be. In other words, my opinion and 4 
>> bucks will get you a latte, and nothing else.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[Les Lammers]

+1 on the wax lube. :-)

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 11:20:43 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> I don't ride the beach, but rI ride a lot of wet grit.  I use Wippermann 
> stainless chains and wax lube (Molten Speed Wax, and extend it with White 
> Lightning Clean Ride) - nothing sticks to it.  
> Before I tried the molten wax (6000 mi now), I was using just bottled wax 
> lubes like Clean Ride, and they rinse off very nicely with a hose, let it 
> dry, and re-apply.  
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 9:55:35 PM UTC-5, Ann L wrote:
>>
>> I recently relocated due to work and now do the majority of my riding by 
>> the beach.  I love the natural beauty of sand, surf, ospreys, and pelicans 
>> but hate what the sand is doing to my gears.  A gritty crust rapidly 
>> develops on my cassette and chain.  I have been cleaning the chain weekly 
>> and wiping the bike down daily.  Any advice from beach riders as to what I 
>> should be doing to maintain the bike?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Beach Build

[Les Lammers]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 12:04:49 AM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:
>
> Carla:  thank you!
>
> Bill:  thank you :)  I used bar wrap left over from another handlebar 
> project.  Although I like the how the harlequin wrap turned out, I'm not 
> crazy about the color.  It looks better in bright sunlight but seems too 
> monochromatic against the frame.  I am thinking of redoing it in maroon or 
> eggplant to make the cream and dark caramel really pop.
>
> Joe:  I was going for a 1950's Schwinn Hornet vibe but a chopper Rivendell 
> is so much cooler ;)
>
> Michael:  I bought the the bags as an impulse buy on Amazon because they 
> were cheap and looked cool.  I removed the creepy red star logos because I 
> didn't want my bike to be accused of belonging to Communist Army.  I 
> decorated them with random stuff to make them my own.
>
> Les:  I appreciate the tip.  The seafood and Cajun cuisine is one of the 
> perks for living in this region.  If I wanted to spend a weekend in New 
> Orleans with the therapist, any tips?  
>
 
Go in the fall when the weather is cooler. Ride the French Quarter early in 
the morning and keep your eye on your therapist. I prefer the Drago's 
Metairie  location. Great vibe and a fave of the locals. It is the real 
deal. http://www.dragosrestaurant.com/ 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Beach Build

[Les Lammers]

Congrats! Listen...can you hear your therapist ask to be taken to New 
Orleans? I think I hear it. :-) While there, go to Drago's 
Seafood Restaurant. You'll be glad you did.
 

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:24:31 AM UTC-4, Ann L wrote:

> The back story:  five years ago, RBW built my Soma San Marcos for me.  I 
> absolutely loved the bike and rode it all the time, commuting to work, 
> errands, or just zipping around.  The bike became my gym, personal trainer, 
> and therapist.  Then a couple of months ago, due to work I moved from 
> Washington D.C. to Mississippi.  It was definitely a culture shock, 
> particularly for cycling.  There are no shoulders on the road and the 
> drivers are not used to bicycles or pedestrians.  The few brave souls I saw 
> on bikes were either riding on the sidewalks or beach boardwalk.  The paved 
> (mostly) beach boardwalk was the safest place to ride and I luckily live 
> close by.  But when I took my Soma out, it quickly became clear that it 
> wasn't going to work.  Sand accumulates in drifts on the boardwalk and my 
> poor Soma would fishtail and become stuck.  Also, the dips caused by spaces 
> in the paving had a jack hammer effect that went straight up my spine.  For 
> the first time, it wasn't fun riding anymore.  I needed a bike that could 
> accommodate big, fat, squishy tires that I could run a low psi.  Not being 
> able to ride felt like I was missing part of myself.  So I looked back to 
> RBW, who had given me my beloved Soma, for a bike that could be built up to 
> the baddest beach cruiser ever.
>
> I think I got the very last butternut frame in their inventory.  The color 
> is closer to a non metallic bronze and is stunning against the cream 
> accents.  My major upgrades were on Paul motolite brakes and WI MI5's.  The 
> Big Ben tires plow through the sand like it's nothing.  It is a wonderful 
> plush, buttery ride.  I have a new gym, personal trainer and therapist.  
> Best of all, I figured out to commute to work using the beach boardwalk.  
> There is about a mile and a half that I have to interact with cars.  But 
> the traffic is light and none of the drivers have tried to kill me yet 
> (yay!).  The Soma will be temporarily retired for now.  But I expect to use 
> both bikes in different capacities as long as I can pedal upright.
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

[Les Lammers]

+1 *If you are short armed/trunked, and ride drops, you may want to size 
down one size if the frame sizes are close. If you will be upright riding, 
then just stick with RBW sizing methods. *Excellent advice.
 
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:43:30 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:

> I've had 4 Rivendells, sight-unseen, and they all rode great.
>
> 55 Bleriot (used)
> 53 Bleriot (new in box from Peter J. White Cycles)
> 52 Blue Sam (new from RBW)
> 54 Rambouillet. (used, traded my Blue Sam for it).
>
> Rambouillet (Noodle drop setup) is my favorite as it is the easiest to 
> pedal down the road.
> I have the 53 Bleriot still, that I have bosco bars on and use it to sit 
> upright when I go for rides with my wife.
>
> I would not hesitate to buy a Rivendell sight unseen. Just go by their 
> sizing methods and you should be fine.
> Or, if you know your ideal top tube length then go with that as long as 
> the standover in that size is also ok for you.
> My advice:
> If you are short armed/trunked, and ride drops, you may want to size down 
> one size if the frame sizes are close. If you will be upright riding, then 
> just stick with RBW sizing methods.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Les Lammers]

Too bad that the Bleriot project did not work out. A lot more folks would 
be really enjoying cycling if it did. 
 
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:44:13 AM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:

> Here's the country bike article.  
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>> I was digging through my old Readers last night (weren't those a blast!) 
>> and this is the oldest Saluki article I could find (issue 33).  It mentions 
>> a "Big Saluki report in the next issue" but looking through #34 I don't see 
>> much specifically about Saluki's...lots of talk about 650b though.  #35 has 
>> an article on country bikes and uses a side shot of a Saluki.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 3:28:16 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
>>> Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
>>>
>>> I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to 
>>> be subtle differences.
>>>
>>> I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located 
>>> them
>>>
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Sizes

[Les Lammers]

On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 9:30:43 AM UTC-4, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> *I'm not going to buy one*, but does anybody understand what the Roadini 
> frame sizes actually are? One of the pics on the site says it's of a 63. 
> Earlier--months ago--the bike was described as coming in a 62. I believe 
> the brochure refers to the dimensions of 61. *I'm not going to buy one.* 
> Just wondering. In recent communications, I believe it says that the frames 
> came in one cm different than originally stated. Does this mean that the 
> original 62 came in as a 63 or as a 61? I'm just trying to clarify so that 
> others have clear information.* I'm not going to buy one. I don't need 
> it. Especially the grey one--that's the one I really don't need.*
>
> Jay
>
 
 :-)

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Les Lammers]

 Thanks Jon. I just got them for my Cheviot in silver from Ben's Cycles via 
Amazon for $47.99 shipped.
On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:49:28 PM UTC-4, Jon BALER wrote:

> Planet bike now has aluminum fenders, which are easy to install.  They go 
> by 'alx' and come in silver in 65mm

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[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

[Les Lammers]

I thought the LHT was sort of an Atlantis copy?

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 1:55:24 PM UTC-4, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:

> A lot, maybe not most, of people buy Rivs sight unseen. And because most 
> people have only ever ridden bikes with shorter wheelbases, it's not 
> necessarily clear exactly how a longer one will affect handling, especially 
> because everyone's bodies and abilities are different. I would say it all 
> ultimately depends on exactly how and where you ride the bike, so I 
> wouldn't write someone off for trying something new. 
>
> As for the Joe being the first and only bike of its kind, I'd say the Joe 
> is a nicer, upright version of the LHT so I wouldn't really make that claim 
> at all. I've attached some photos of the LHT I'm thinking of here. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Les Lammers]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Bleriot and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html
>
> Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Hilsen and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html
>
> What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B 
> Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally 
> identical.  *In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 
> 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you 
> would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous. 
>  *
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
 
Wild Bill, that made my day. :-) The Bleriot was purported to be the poor 
guys Saluki. So all three may be very similar riding.

>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Justin
>>  
>> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
>> like they did for the Blerliot.
>>  
>>  
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin, Oakland 
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
>> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>>
>> -J
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Les Lammers]

I'll add that the Cheviot, for a cruiser, is no slug either.

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:50:58 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> I certainly get what you are saying Joe about the "cruisers" versus the 
> "road" type of bikes.  I just would add that my Joe Appaloosa is far 
> livelier than what most people would put into a cruiser category.  Really a 
> fun ride and it gets up and going quite nicely for me.
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 12:44:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I think the transition was inevitable based on the rides Grant & Co. 
>> actually do, and the bikes he was specifically designing for them at 
>> Bridgestone. 
>>
>> The Road, LongLow, Heron Road and Rambouillet were all extensions of the 
>> RB-1, which was probably considered an expected bike from Rivendell in the 
>> first decade. But the All Rounder and Atlantis were the XO-1 that Grant's 
>> heart was in (my opinion), and variations on that All Roads S240 theme 
>> spread throughout the production models as the years went on. 
>>
>> The "cruisers" work well for commuting on rough roads and trails with a 
>> bunch of stuff loaded on, and are presented to the buyer as "you don't have 
>> to meet a mileage or speed goal, just get outside and go for a ride." It 
>> manages to remain a niche for RBW in the sea of utilitarian steel bikes 
>> that they created as the original nice. That's a neat trick!  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: MAP Ahearne bar (via Jay's Choco Norm vs Albas post)

[Les Lammers]

I have MAP Ahearne bars with Ergon cork grips on my Cheviot and like them a 
lot. My L'avecaise frame has arrived and I'm planning to use Nitto 
Fairweather bars, like the Noodle but with less drop. But the MAP Ahearne 
may end up there too. You will need a shorter stem though.
 
On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 6:33:50 PM UTC-4, jeffrey kane wrote:

> Hey all -- having read through all the excellent responses on Jay's post 
> it occurs to me to at least ask if anyone has a MAP Ahearne bar growing 
> hair in their parts bin that they'd be happy to part with. Granted, it's 
> not that expensive new ($55.00) and I almost feel guilty asking 'cause I 
> like to support the builders when I can ...  
>
But in this case, I'm just hankering to try something different. I've 
> ridden Albas and liked them very much -- and am currently running Choco 
> Norms with no significant complaints -- fyi: I saw a number of responses 
> siting "cramped" positions, which, makes me wonder why the users don't just 
> run longer stems (?) though I understand that switching bars and stems 
> isn't always all that convenient. I run an old Ritchey Force 120mm with a 
> little rise and feel pretty dialed in (a 120 stem is way longer than I 
> normally go)  ... anyway -- I'm interested in the current MAP version:
>
> https://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar
>
 
and can go with either width in black or sliver.

>
> lmk/jsk 
>

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Re: [RBW] Choco norm vs Albas

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Bars are personal things. I tried the Choko norm on a Cheviot, my first 
non-drop bar bike, but prefer map/ahearne bars. The Chocko were like 
driving a tractor. Also, I did not like the hand position. 
On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 3:52:29 AM UTC-4, ed wrote:

> Same here.
> I used Albas for my transam bike tour and it felt a little cramp.
> I then tried the map/ahearne bars and it was a good fit for me.
> Ed
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:08 PM, drew  
> wrote:
>
>> I prefer albas.
>> I wet in hoping chocos would be a more aggressive albatross, but maybe 
>> you're looking at them with different intentions. Choco norms come back 
>> really far and have less rise, so your hands end up lower and closer to 
>> your body. It wasn't a position i liked.
>> For a more aggressive alba, I like the albastache or map/ahearne bars.
>> Also albatross bars are, to me, one of the most attractive bars out 
>> therejust saying
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[RBW] Re: FS: 51 cm Sam Hillborne $2500 (SF Bay)

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Borrow some $$ for the honeymoon and keep the bike. 

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 11:52:22 AM UTC-4, Stanley Withouski wrote:

> Practically brand new Sam Hillborne - custom built from the frame on up. 
> Less than 500 miles. Need honeymoon funds. Prefer to sell complete.
> CL ad here: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/6179737154.html
> Rivendell Sam Hillborne - 51 cm
> 650b Rivendell built wheelset with dynamo hub - Grand Boi Hetre tires
> Schmidt Edelux II dynamo light
> White Industry crankset
> Deore XT front & rear derauilluers 
> Shimano Dura Ace 10 spd shifters
> Brooks Swift saddle
> Nitto post & stem
> TRP drilled classic brake levers
> Nitto Marks Rack & wald basket (basket not pictured)
> CheersStan
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[RBW] Re: Platform Pedal Recommendation for Sam

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On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-4, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> I have size 13 feet and the MKS sneaker pedals always felt great to me. 
> They are $30 from Riv so they're within your budget and you can also 
> support Riv. 
>
> I do really like the VP pedals too, *there's plastic ones that feel great 
> available on the bay for around $20.* VP Vice is my favorite pedal but 
> over your budget. The MKS feel just as good though just not quite as 
> grippy. 
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:07:36 AM UTC-7, Austin B wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a recommendation for a decent quality, inexpensive 
>> (<$40), large platform pedal for my Sam Hillborne. 
>>
>> I currently run Shimano XT SPD's on my Sam Hillborne but want platform 
>> pedals as I'm planning to do some rides along the C canal and fishing the 
>> Potomac. For this, I'd like to wear my Keen sandals for biking and fishing.
>>
>> Now, Keens are known for being quite wide, and at size 12 shoes, I'm 
>> taking that to a bit of an extreme. Hence the size of the platforms being 
>> wide enough for my shoes is the most important criteria. Smaller, cheap 
>> platforms won't work as it always feels like the outside of my feet are 
>> unsupported.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Austin
>>
>  
The polycarbonate/plastic VP pedals with the reflectors work better for me, 
more comfortable, and cheaper than the VP-001s. They also have the same 
bearings.. 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Riv Model - Newsletter

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On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 6:20:51 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> Bill - how many rivendell's do you own now?!?! Can I have a couple ;)
>
> *I don't get the appeal of the upright mountain mixte.* I guess it 
> doesn't have to be upright, but they usually seem to be setup w/ albatross 
> bars. To be honest though, I don't see the appeal of upright bars for 
> anything other than a bike used to go a few miles here and there for 
> commuting/errands/all rounder type stuff. Anything else (long road rides, 
> trail rides, mixed rides, etc) I want something more aggressive 
> (drops/albastache/riser/etc). What's the appeal of an upright mountain 
> mixte? Is it just to have something different? Is it better/worse when 
> things get real on the trails? I'm sure there's a lot of opinions here ;)
>
> The diagatube is great if you stop and start a lot and may save your 
> jewels of rougher terrain. I don't have the mountain mixte but my Cheviot 
> has map ahearne bars flipped and is quite comfortable. Upright but not too 
> much so. My 2 cents.
>
>
> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 7:18:42 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> Congrats!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Chris Birkenmaier  wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations Bill!  I know you keep an inventory of spare parts.  Any 
>> idea of the drivetrain or wheels you are planning for it?  I'm getting one 
>> but haven't invested much time in thinking about the build.
>>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: 
>>>
>>> I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned the comment in the May 
>>> 30 newsletter about not being able to get an orange Sam or a green/silver 
>>> Appaloosa for at least 648 days BUT that something in the middle might be 
>>> replacing them next year.  Having a bike between a Sam and a Joe seems to 
>>> be splitting a finer line but I'm stoked to see what they come with (or 
>>> maybe come up with).  I recently bought a silver 51 Joe and it has really 
>>> calmed down my bike buying desires because it is just so good.  I have a 
>>> Sam, Joe, Cheviot, San Marcos , Rosco Mountain Mixte on order and a 
>>> Quickbeam so I don't need another.  But I'm endlessly interested in what 
>>> they come up with.
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

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I'm 65 and officially old. I have a 55cm Chevoit and labored over the 
purchase decision. It's very comfortable ride and extremely stable. You can 
ride and let your mind wander w/o worry long as you aren't doing rough 
stuff. Fine on 'normal' trails. I perhaps would have preferred geometry 
more like the JA but that may be niggling. The diagatube is great for city 
riding and really makes the bike very versatile.I'll probably mount a 
fishing rod holder. I too have MAP/Ahearne bars 61cm. They work for me with 
the slightly slower steering. It's fast enough and quite the elegant but 
practical cruiser.  If I were younger I may have gone with the JA. The JA 
would be the better choice if you rode more off road. Neither are drop bar 
bikes. No regrets though. 
 
I'm old but not dead yet and have a Jeff Lyon 54cm  L'avecaise frame coming 
because I wanted a sporty fat tire, up to 42cm w/ fenders, ride too. This 
one just ticked all the boxes. :-)

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 10:57:44 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:

> I guess I will throw in that comparisons should probably take into account 
> the setup and the role the rider is/was looking for.  An Atlantis for one 
> person becomes an off-road capable cruiser, for someone else a long 
> distance tourer, drops for some, albatross or ??? for others.
>
> My Cheviot is fendered, smooth tired (Schwalbe Marathon Supremes, 40mm), 
> has somewhat upright bars (MAP/Ahearnes, 570mm, the narrower ones), and is 
> a mostly city/town based, some would say elegant, bike - though Cheviots 
> definitely are capable of more.  I will say the Cheviot gets the most 
> admiring comments per mile than any bike I have ever owned, maybe tied with 
> a Brompton I had.  People immediately recognize it as an almost archetypal 
> bike, old, refined, French,  maybe British...  And I smile every time I 
> ride it...
>
> The Appaloosa is capable of larger and chunkier tires (currently BG RnR's 
> 43mm and could certainly go larger), is not currently fendered (though it 
> could be), has somewhat more aggressive, wider bars (Nitto Bullmoose) and 
> is set up as something like a mountain bike for grownups.  I rode it on a 
> ~35 mile group ride this last weekend and it did absolutely great, 
> comfortable and fast enough for the mostly relaxed group, perfect for any 
> gravel or dirt found. My position on the Joe is slightly more aggressive 
> and that helps with the winds we can have in NW Illinois.  I have to laugh 
> a bit when people look at the Joe, and really like it but have no idea what 
> to say.  It just brings together things people had not imagined being 
> together - comfortable, touring, mountain bike, basket, two top tubes, 
> u, what?  And I smile every time I ride it...
>
> I have always wanted an Atlantis, maybe a Hunq, but if it was an Atlantis, 
> I would probably build it as a drop bar bike, long distance tourer mode 
> though, again, there is absolutely nothing keeping it from being something 
> else.  And I know I would love it too!  But this has to stop, it just has 
> to... :>)
>
> The Cheviot is limited, if you want to be able to do true rough stuff, by 
> max tire size (with caliper brakes).  The Joe and Atlantis not so much 
> (with v-brakes or cantilevers).  This is a broad stroke but if I knew I 
> wanted a drop-bar bike, the Atlantis would top the list (of the three). 
>  All things are possible but, well the Atlantis wins (for drops) given 
> normal dimensions and expectations.
>
> *That said, I am almost officially old,* certainly not fast, and am now a 
> convert to more upright bars, so the Joe/Cheviot combo is really working 
> for me, though I still have other bikes and have one (last!) 650B road bike 
> project in mind. 
>
> Apologies for all the words!  Did not mean to write this much  All I 
> know is when I ride the Joe, I have great fun and cannot imagine selling 
> it.  When I ride the Cheviot, I have great fun and absolutely cannot 
> imagine selling it either.  Everything else in my life is up for debate but 
> somehow, some way, not those two bikes.
>
> Enough!  Hope the random comments help... It will be interesting to hear 
> other comparisons.
>
> Bob 
>
>   
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 7:59:24 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>>
>> Interesting, Bob.  Does anyone else here have both a Cheviot and a Joe? 
>>  I would be interested in others' comparisons - thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

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On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:45:24 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I don't think keeping both is in the cards, at least not for the long 
> haul. I could hold out, but eventually the Sam is gonna go.
>
> *Hunq in the city is comfy and fun, but can be hard to keep up with 
> friends on roadier bikes. Big 29er tires and wheels can make stopping and 
> starting and climbing a bit of a boar. Minor complaints, I know. Keeping it 
> is definitely the thing that makes the most sense.*  
>
> I'd like to think that a complete Sam, a hunq frame + extras, and 2 
> complete vintage bikes would more than cover a new Atlantis frame. Maybe 
> I'm being too optimistic, but that option doesn't seem like such a stretch 
> for my mind. 
>
> Chasing the dream bike does seem dubious. I do need reminding of that.
>
> Why not try something like the Continental Basketball tires on the Hunq? 
> I'm not sure a 650B Atlantis would help with keeping up with the guys 
> on road. If that's important wait and see what the Roadini looks like.
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

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I agree with Bill 100%. Just put a few dollars away until you can make it 
happen. IMHO, long term satisfaction should be the goal. 
 

On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 2:10:07 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> In my opinion, if you really want an Atlantis, you should wait and make it 
> happen.  If "out of your budget" means you can't afford it yet, then wait 
> until you can afford it.  If "out of your budget" means you could never 
> spend that much on a frameset and feel good about riding it, then wait 
> until you find a used one.  
>
> If you actually want an Appaloosa, and an Appaloosa is in your budget, 
> then go for it.  The Appaloosa is a fine bike.  But if you buy an Appaloosa 
> and continue to want it to be an Atlantis, then you are bound to eventually 
> regret it, and you'll be right back here again.  That's my opinion.  
>
> Bill who-rode-his-Appaloosa-this-morning Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 9:57:50 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering what you guys think?  I really want an Atlantis but a new 
>> one is out of my budget.  Intended use is mostly off road like fire trails, 
>> cross country riding; NOT crazy downhill, rock gardens etc.  Since the 
>> Appaloosa is supposed to be somewhere between the Hillborne and the Hunq, 
>> I'm wondering if an Appaloosa would be an appropriate  substitute?
>>
>>  Big price difference between the two. I'm sure there is a tubing 
>> difference. But the Appaloosa has the Hunq fork so that's plenty strong. 
>> Maybe better cosmetics, detailed lugging on the Atlantis.  So you say why 
>> not get a Hunq? But if I'm going to pop for a new Hunq I might as will buy 
>> a new Atlantis. What do you think?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

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I have the Ahearne Map bar set up like your. I'm thinking about the IRD 
stem shifter to get more hand position flexibility. Great bars.
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 9:44:43 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> I'll add in here, I've never tried an Alba, but I've never had a bike with 
> a top tube long enough for it.  Most Riv frames would be perfect with 
> Albas.  
> Two that I'm a huge fan of are the original Moustache and Ahearne Map bar 
> - both on shorter-top-tube frames.  
> Moustache was my first, about ten years ago, when I could no longer find a 
> comfortable position over my long GB stem and Maes bars.  
> For both of these bars, good reach measurements and choosing the correct 
> (usually short reach) stem is everything.  
> To get a Moustache in the right place, reach on your stem should be 2 
> inches shorter than what you use on drop bars.  They also don't grab in the 
> intuitive place.   
>
>
> 
>  
> 
> The 3 best positions are finger-stretch from the brakes (only center your 
> hands on the brakes when you're about to use full brake),way outside for 
> added control, and especially on the wide hoods for distance.  
>
>
> 
>  
> 
> I'll add about Map bars - properly set up, they are the most relaxed I've 
> ever had my hands - hooked just in front of the grips is my favorite 
> position, and grabbing the grips for extra control.  
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 7:55:58 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all of the thoughtful feedback everyone. Tonight I raised the 
>> bars on my current set up to see if that makes a difference. I came up a 
>> full 2 cm's while still remaining below the min insertion line. I am going 
>> to try to ride the bike this way for a while to see If that makes a 
>> difference with my neck pain. If that doesn't work I think the Albastache 
>> would be my first choice.  I think it might be a good compromise between 
>> drop bars and upright. I also think these bars would look awesome on my 
>> Sam! I also think this would be an easier transition with my current 
>> cockpit set up. I could keep the current stem and road brake levers that I 
>> already have.  If I switch to the Albatross I would want a new stem,  new 
>> MTB style brake levers and possibly extra long cables for my tall sized 
>> bike. A little more money then I want to spend on this experiment that I am 
>> currently obsessing about.  
>>
>> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars 
>>> to something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end 
>>> up switching and what was the outcome? 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

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Before changing bars you may want to consider a dirt drop stem. It will get 
the bars up higher than a 'normal' stem. 

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 7:09:14 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback. I have Noodles on my Sam set slightly above 
> saddle height. I can't say enough about how great these bars are. Perfectly 
> comfortable drop bars in every way. So what's the problem right?? I am one 
> who always has dealt with some degree of neck pain from keeping my head up 
> in a position where I can see the road. Granted the quill stem has really 
> helped this situation but I am still finding that I am having pain on rides 
> at 2 hours long or longer. I am thinking about the Albastache because I 
> won't have to make other cockpit changes with a new stem and brake levers. 
> I fear I will be getting into a slippery slope but I would do anything to 
> ride longer distances relatively pain free. The next thing I will try is 
> raising the bars up even a little more to see if that changes anything. The 
> next step may be to try the Albastache bars but I am reluctant to give up 
> my Noodles which I love. 
>
> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars 
>> to something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end 
>> up switching and what was the outcome? 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Compass on tour?

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I use these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ostb6ysNce4 25 grams

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

> So, I absolutely love my Compass Barlow Pass extra light, 700x38s on my 
> Hilsen. I've been riding them for 2-2 1/2 years. I'm planning on riding 
> from KC to Phoenix in a couple of weeks. I'll be on pavement. I'm around 
> 230-235 lbs (30 lbs too heavy currently) and I'll have some gear since I'll 
> be camping some, with hotels a couple nights per week. No cooking gear. 
> I'll try to keep my load down to 25-30 lbs. I know many people would never 
> tour with such a "fragile" tire, but I don't want to give them up. I would 
> definitely carry an extra tire (along with the usual tubes, patches, etc.) 
> because I had to abandon PBP after 1000K due to a sidewall cut (I found out 
> that tire boots simply will not hold a Compass tire. I used 2 boots and 
> paper money to boot it but still had 7 flats over around 100K), so I 
> wouldn't make that mistake again. I don't plan on any gravel but wouldn't 
> be afraid of some short sections and even an intentional jaunt or two 
> (although I've yet to develop much of an affinity for gravel.) Ok, so, 
> what's the group consensus? Compass for a fat guy on tour or not? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: New Chev

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Cool painting! I simply zip tied the basket to a Nitto M18 and scrapped the 
Wald struts. Very solid

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 2:53:13 PM UTC-4, Antone Könst wrote:

> Got my dream frame, 60 orange chevy, from Clayton a few weeks ago.  He did 
> a great job packing and shipping BTW>
>
> Been riding like a dream, even with all the cheap parts from my faux-riv 
> Nishiki build and ugly electrical tape (there intentionally bad, to deter 
> thieves).   Paul Racers and Thumbies, and the dynamo hub and lights in 
> front and back are the exception there.  
>
> One weird thing is the Surly 8-Pack I put on there...the Wald struts and a 
> shoelace help keep it in place since there isn't anything besides the 
> mid-fork mount keeping it horizontal otherwise...probably will engineer one 
> tho since I've been putting my puppy upfront for the 5 mile ride to my 
> studio along the East River.  She hates it, BTW, any tips on dogs on a bike 
> are welcome!  
>
> Other image is a painting I made, Night Rider, up now at Hometown Gallery 
> in Brooklyn.  Just thought this group might appreciate it :) 
>
> I love this bike, it makes me happy every day. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass on tour?

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I agree with Doug and would get some bullet proof tires. 
 

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:35:53 AM UTC-4, dougP wrote:

> I'll take the other side of the argument on this one.  While light supple 
> tires perform well riding unloaded, on a long tour in the summer, with 
> 25-30 lbs of gear, expect significantly more flats than you are used to.  
> Perhaps not sidewall cuts or other structural damage but punctures from 
> tire wires, small bits of glass, thorns, etc.  
>
> For a trip such as you describe, I would go with something from Schwalbe.  
> Yes, they will weigh considerably more than the Compass.  40 mm Marathon 
> Supremes are 500 grams, & their offerings go up from there.  They are not 
> supple like Compass.  But you will get far fewer flats.  It just depends on 
> your tolerance for fixing flats.  Especially with long, back to back days 
> of riding, with a load, the decrease in tire performance will not be a 
> hindrance.  In fact, if you don't overly inflate them, Schwalbes can be 
> cushy with a load.  
>
> *Once you get home from the trip, change back to the high performance 
> tires and your bike will feel like it's old self, especially without any 
> load.*
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:21:48 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> So, I absolutely love my Compass Barlow Pass extra light, 700x38s on my 
>> Hilsen. I've been riding them for 2-2 1/2 years. I'm planning on riding 
>> from KC to Phoenix in a couple of weeks. I'll be on pavement. I'm around 
>> 230-235 lbs (30 lbs too heavy currently) and I'll have some gear since I'll 
>> be camping some, with hotels a couple nights per week. No cooking gear. 
>> I'll try to keep my load down to 25-30 lbs. I know many people would never 
>> tour with such a "fragile" tire, but I don't want to give them up. I would 
>> definitely carry an extra tire (along with the usual tubes, patches, etc.) 
>> because I had to abandon PBP after 1000K due to a sidewall cut (I found out 
>> that tire boots simply will not hold a Compass tire. I used 2 boots and 
>> paper money to boot it but still had 7 flats over around 100K), so I 
>> wouldn't make that mistake again. I don't plan on any gravel but wouldn't 
>> be afraid of some short sections and even an intentional jaunt or two 
>> (although I've yet to develop much of an affinity for gravel.) Ok, so, 
>> what's the group consensus? Compass for a fat guy on tour or not? Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

A 36 yard roll of 3M 8671HS 8672  2" tape is $152 from Aircraft Spruce.

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 12:22:32 AM UTC-4, Hugh Smitham wrote:

> George,
>
> Yes in the roll I've seen it upwards of $300+ Most likely why it's 
> primarily found on eBay in small quantity. My buddy Mike says this stuff 
> <https://www.saferacer.com/products/isc-helicopter-tape?utm_medium=cpc_source=googlepla=Cj0KEQjwldzHBRCfg_aImKrf7N4BEiQABJTPKDJagBGcyK4S-_5Ppwv8hyCgE9J1vR4Q6fvG2Uh7-FwaAnG58P8HAQ=25896077507>
>  
> works for him just fine but can't comment on whether the 3m is better?
>
> Then there's this on eBay 
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helicopter-Copter-Tape-Bike-Protection-8671HS-Strong-Clear-Protective-Film-by-3M-/162159691909?hash=item25c175:g:RkoAAOSwHjNV~WPq>
>  4"x 
> 3' and nade by 3M shipped from the UK.
>
> Thinking of going for the ISC version. I trust Mike.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:02 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hugh - if this eBay deal to buy it in strips falls through (which it 
>> looks like it might) my next step is to follow Nick's advice and visit a 
>> local Harley shop to find it in some 12"x18" sheets.  For your info, BTW, 
>> it looks like a roll may cost as much as $250.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 7:34:04 PM UTC-5, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> This has been on my short list of need to buy. So where's the best 
>>> source to buy a roll? Or is it way too expensive to buy as a roll? There 
>>> seem to be a few eBay sellers but I noticed they're selling strips not 
>>> rolls. As other's have mentioned there other manufacturer's. I myself 
>>> consider 3m to be of the highest quality. Also what width have you all 
>>> found to be the most useful?
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 2:38:43 AM UTC-7, Les Lammers wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
>>>> abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
>>>> different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 
>>>> 'top 
>>>> tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent 
>>>> paint protection.
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

I got it from e*ay seller valleybikeparts in Bellingham WA. Fast shipping 
no issues. Not cheap but neither is a re-paint.

On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 8:34:04 PM UTC-4, Hugh Smitham wrote:

> This has been on my short list of need to buy. So where's the best source 
> to buy a roll? Or is it way too expensive to buy as a roll? There seem to 
> be a few eBay sellers but I noticed they're selling strips not rolls. As 
> other's have mentioned there other manufacturer's. I myself consider 3m to 
> be of the highest quality. Also what width have you all found to be the 
> most useful?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 2:38:43 AM UTC-7, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>> This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
>> abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
>> different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top 
>> tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent 
>> paint protection.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

A piece of cotton handlebar tape works well.
 
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Ash A wrote:

>
> I was considering this tape to protect the frame from front derailleur 
> clamp.  
>
> Or is there a better way to pad the FD clamp?
>
>
>
> On Friday, 7 April 2017 02:38:43 UTC-7, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>> This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
>> abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
>> different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top 
>> tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent 
>> paint protection.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

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Very nice! It always takes me a while to dial a new bike in. Use some 
http://www.obenaufs.com/Heavy-Duty-LP-8-oz-p/heavy-duty-lp-8.htm on the 
saddle and leave it in the sun a while.
 

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:

> Thanks again.  My sits-bones are OK today; I'm used to that "new to the 
>>> saddle after months off"  feeling, so I knew what that was.  My back is 
>>> hurting, but getting better.   I do have weak core muscles that Belopsky 
>>> mentioned might be an issue.  I can work on that.
>>>
>>
> Also, yes, I am sitting a bit more upright on this bike.  I think I'll 
> keep riding and by the time I get back to the dealer in 2-4 weeks, I should 
> know if I need a new saddle,  or if it was just my body needing to adjust.
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

It does nothing to the paint. The same material is sold as Invisabra for 
automotive use. 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:51:24 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> And what, if anything does it do to the paint underneath? 
>
>
> On 04/07/2017 10:24 AM, George Schick wrote: 
> > This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for 
> > chain slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's 
> > good to know that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product 
> > name into a Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see 
> > lots of photos of bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's 
> > evidently one of those best-kept little secrets.  In the event that it 
> > would ever need to be replaced, though, how difficult is it to loosen 
> > the adhesive? 
>
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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

It comes off easily. There are 1" and 2" strips on ebay.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-4, George Schick wrote:

> This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for chain 
> slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's good to know 
> that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product name into a 
> Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see lots of photos of 
> bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's evidently one of those 
> best-kept little secrets.  In the event that it would ever need to be 
> replaced, though, how difficult is it to loosen the adhesive? 
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:57:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> You can buy pieces on ebay, but make sure it's 3M.  I made the mistake of 
>> buying some that was just clear vinyl with no adhesive.  
>>
>

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[RBW] 3M helicopter tape

[Les Lammers]

This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top 
tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent 
paint protection.

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe Mixte

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Looks great. I'm using the same tires with Panaracer Kevlar liners on a 
Cheviot.
 
On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-4, Steve Butcher wrote:

> The* tires are Panaracer T-serve Messenger 650b x 42c.*  The fenders are 
> SKS Longboard 50's.  
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> Hello friends.  I wanted to share a couple of photos of my Rosco Bubbe 
>> mixte and early impressions.   This is my first Rivendell and only the 
>> second one I've ridden; the first being a Clem-L at A-1 Cycle in 
>> Indianapolis.  I had this bike built as my (new) daily commuter.  I truly 
>> enjoy the plush, and yet lively ride it provides.  Doc.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Iron on patches

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What handlebars are you using? They look interesting.

On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 at 1:11:28 PM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:

>
> 
>
>
> 
> I am a patchunerd. I get tired of looking at the same ol' 
> patch...So I put a (loop) velcro panel on my handlebar bag so I can 
> swap out patches. I use peel and stick (hook- ten lb. stuff, lower profile) 
> on the back of the patches and swap 'em out as desired. I have put velcro 
> on the back of ... u... wellsixteen patches. Rotating art. Nerd. 
> Weird. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

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I'd try a quality hitch adapter first. The extra few inches of overhang 
will not be an issue.

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 10:20:52 AM UTC-4, William R. wrote:

> Thanks for sharing Leah. This Saris looks like it would be a good rack for 
> my situation. I am currently experiencing a car rack conundrum though. We 
> are a one car family (my wife and I, plus two kids) and we just recently 
> bought a new-to-us Outback wagon. It came with a nice 1.25" trailer hitch 
> installed. I think I may need to upgrade to 2" though as the choices 
> (strength?) of rear bike carriers seem limited in that size. And I know 
> that there are 1.25" to 2" adapters available, but they kind of scare me 
> and put the rack further behind the car about 6". So... I either upgrade 
> the hitch to a 2" or go with something like the Kuat Transfer that can take 
> three bikes on a 1.25" hitch and put one bike on the roof? Or in the trunk? 
> But that doesn't really work because when we are going on trips with the 
> dog in the trunk and all of our stuff in a pod on the roof (because of dog 
> in the trunk!), this is the most common time that we actually want all four 
> bikes on the car. I'm not even sure if there will be room on the roof for a 
> bike and the pod (36" wide)...  As you can see, I don't really have this 
> figured out yet. Any thoughts would be great appreciated. 
>>
>>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Les Lammers]

Take a road  trip to Riv and do some demo rides. It's not that far from 
Oregon. :-)

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:35:57 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>
> This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a 
> year and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going 
> to one car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel 
> Scandal settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was 
> wondering what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, 
> Joe and Clem.  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently 
> have two bikes.  I have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but 
> it isn't my first choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova 
> Steel bike (probably similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride 
> with the Soma Oxford Bars.  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the 
> flexibility of larger wheels, and a more upright position.  Currently 
> running 32 mm. I don't really go on bike tours since riding the Oregon 
> Coast with the wrong equipment 9 years back but as my kids grow up, I would 
> like that flexibility. It would mostly be for weekend rides, fire roads and 
> primarily commuting.
>
> The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes. 
>  It seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am 
> not sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should 
> just go all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps. 
>  The Joe seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has 
> learned over the last decade.
>
> The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the Joe. 
>  I can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences would 
> be beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm would 
> put me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of the 
> sizing.  I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my wife 
> at 5'3" and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my needs 
> but then emotionally I got back to the Joe.
>
> I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
> compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
> touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
> would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
> better off with the more robust bike.  
>
> Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear 
> your thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
> philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

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Excellent idea. You will then know what will work best for you. The most 
important thing is proper fit.

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 8:15:25 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> Thank you all!  *I think I'll need to go to "local" RIV reseller and ride 
> some.*
>
> I have two bikes, both  early 1990 hybrids.  The first is hybrid more of 
> mountain bike and that one is at work, so I can ride after work without 
> having to tote my more-liked bike back and forth.  I'm the original owner 
> but never "bonded" with it.The second one, a $140 CL purchase, is 
> better, in that it has 700c tires with 36 or 38 width. I got that nearly 
> two years ago.   It has twist shifters that work "most" of the time.  The 
> ride is pretty nice, but I'm a bit too stretched out on it, even with 
> raising the handlebars and moving the seat fore/aft.  Still, this is the 
> bike that got me to liking longer rides and smiling while riding.  Riding 
> this has made me happy, although my feet get number after an hour or so.  
> I've tried a number of current Giant/Specialized/Trek bikes, but then I get 
> back on my bike and like the feel of steel better.  
>
> So, I thought that it would be really nice to have a good quality,  steel 
> framed, non drop bar bike that fits me well.   Rivendell philosophy and the 
> comments here related to the "happiness" of the members while riding, 
>  resonated with me.  If I like the bike, can smile when riding and will 
> ride more and longer.  Plus, I'd like to go on more group rides and would 
> like to keep up.  Yes, I know: the engine.  I'll be doing more at the gym, 
> too.  :)
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:39:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I owned a Clem H, and currently have an Appaloosa. I think they 
>> both handle about the same - smooth and stable in a straight line, but 
>> still a nice turn-in - but I would pick the Appa for a 50 mile ride. It's a 
>> little lighter and more responsive, which are things you will appreciate 30 
>> miles in and 20 to go. Also, it's a beautiful lugged frame. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

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A Cheviot or Clem L would be fine for the riding you want to do. There are 
many handlebars to choose from that are not too upright. What are you 
riding now?

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 8:09:19 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> For those of you who own this, how do you feel about Clem for longer 
> "exercise" rides--40-50 miles-- that is NOT touring.That is, I won't 
> load the bike with anything other than what I need on a one day 
> jaunt--lunch, flat kit, water, windbreaker, etc.  I don't want a slog of a 
> bike. (yes, I do realize that the "engine" is most important, but this 
> engine has two bikes and I go faster on one vs. the other.)  Most of the 
> area is flat, but in the city park and in some of the suburbs, it is hilly.
>
> *I did consider a used Cheviot, but didn't get the sense that it was a 
> "long ride" bike-- a bit too upright.*  I could be wrong.
>
> I'm considering a Clem L so I can do (and want to do more often) longer 
> exercise rides.   My minimum ride is 12.5 miles (1 hour) , but I like to go 
> 25 miles (2 hours) each weekend day.  Once or twice a month I'd like to do 
> a longer ride. 
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta, PBH 82.5, 57 YO, trying to get into better health
>

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[RBW] Re: New to Me Bleriot as Road Bike

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Looks great Derek and I'm glad you are enjoying it. Here are some bars to 
consider. Like Noodles but less drop. 
https://www.tokyobike.com.au/buy-accessories/nitto-fairweather-drop-handlebar 
Unfortunately, 
they are not sold in the USA.

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 10:24:49 AM UTC-4, Derek Lawrence wrote:
>
>
> 
> Since I bought this Bleriot frame off the list, I thought I would put a 
> picture up of my build. I have a Sam Hilborne that is my do everything bike 
> with Albatross bars, ride it everywhere and heavy on dirt, so I wanted this 
> bike to be more like a road bike. I have avoided drop bars since I was in 
> high school and rode my sisters Peugeot (she didn't)--they never felt 
> comfortable. I've commuted since college on tweaked mountain bikes, until 
> recently. I'm committing to try the drop bars on they bike through summer 
> and see if I can get myself feeling comfortable. My first ride was about 
> fifteen miles and I did have some tightness in my back, but was much better 
> than previous experiences. Anyone have suggestions on getting comfortable 
> on drops? I don't feel too forward with my new setup, and very comfortable 
> on the tops of the bars. I'm hoping the tightness in my back will fade as I 
> ride them more.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 55cm Gray Cheviot. Like New.

[Les Lammers]

+1 That is a great deal on a fine bike. A month after you buy it you will 
be glad you did. 

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 10:07:04 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
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> You should have bought it! Have you checked out 718 Cycles for their Rivs? 
> Also have you checked out Nomad Cycles here in Queens? They don't have 
> Rivendells (except for when I bring mine in) but they have a great 
> selection of random other bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Feb 24th Century Ride on the Sam Hillborne

[Les Lammers]

Dan,

You forgot to mention that you did the ride the day before you left for 
Mardi Gras. :-)

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:25:42 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:

> I finished my first Century ride after around 2 months of preparation. I'm 
> including a few pics of the ride below. I took the day off of work as I 
> wanted to get the ride in before our trip to New Orleans the following day. 
>
> The weather was nice that morning as there was no rain, it wasn't cold, 
> and the winds laid down for the most part. I got out of the house just 
> before 6 am and decided to hit the bike trail outside of our neighborhood 
> that I've been preparing on. I'm fortunate that the trail goes 40 miles in 
> one direction, so I would finish 80% of the ride just by completing one 
> loop. The ride was uneventful until I got 70 miles in. I ended up with a 
> nasty upper leg cramp that forced me to take a break for about 30 minutes 
> and I had to stop periodically the last 30 miles which killed my expected 
> average speed. I'm not complaining as I was just happy to finish the ride 
> in one piece.  :)
>
> I did get a kick out of seeing the artwork on a section of the trail on 
> the back of a large section of fences facing the trail. There are some 
> talented people out there that put some serious time in. The last pic below 
> is a trail that leads to a stream under a bridge that I've seen kids 
> playing in the past. They have some rope tied to a tree where they swing 
> into the water, but as the water levels are low right now I can't imagine 
> it's getting much use.
>
> This is my longest ride and prior to purchasing this bike, my longest ride 
> was just over 60 miles. Overall I was happy with how the bike performed. 
> I'm still getting used to this leather seat and that along with the leg 
> cramp caused me the most discomfort at the later part of the ride, but to 
> be fair I remember feeling the same way on my 60-mile ride I took about 7 
> years ago on my road bike with a gel seat. One nice thing I lacked on this 
> ride was number wrists/hands. That has for the most part gone away and was 
> always an issue when riding my road bike.
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Les Lammers]

It's just nice to have choices. :-)

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>
> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
> Atlantis?
>
> Reid
>
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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

[Les Lammers]

I thought I was the only one that did that. ;-)

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 1:29:27 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> From the comments "don't trust a frame you bake in an oven"  Still, I 
> think my Clem would have bounced back after that, but we'll never know 
> because shenanigans like that are not for me anymore.  Kind of reminds me 
> of days gone by when my kid pals and I would spend endless hours building 
> ramps to ride our no-name sting-ray style bikes over.  Good fun.
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[Les Lammers]

The MAP bars may be a great solution. I have them on my Cheviot with Ergon 
CG-1 grips and like them a lot.

On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 12:05:40 PM UTC-5, Gossamer wrote:
>
> You offer an interesting solution and I'll seriously consider it. My issue 
> is that I think the bars need to come back, as the bike was designed, to an 
> area appreciably behind the head tube. What I want to avoid is the constant 
> churn of handlebars, tape, shifters, levers...on and on. I do enjoy the 
> bike but am kicking myself for not doing what I was told. Will said, "If 
> you want an Atlantis, get the Atlantis. You'll wish you had." To be honest, 
> I thought I could accomplish the "Atlantis" feel for less than what it 
> would cost. I should know better by now.
>
> I will say this, the disadvantage I found with the choco moose bars, aside 
> from comfort (subjective) was that bar-end shifters make it difficult to 
> turn at times because of how they hit your knees when you turn or maneuver. 
>
> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 10:13:33 AM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> I just want to throw this in... I was working with a bike that I knew had 
>> too long of a top tube for drop bars but still loved (a Velo Orange 
>> Polyvalent).  I set it up anyway for drops, using a Nitto dirt drop stem, 
>> and that was ok, but just barely.  The experiments continued though, 
>> changing out the drop bars and stem with a normal Nitto stem (10cm?) and 
>> the Map / Ahearn all round handlebars ( 
>> http://www.benscycle.com/p-1244-map-ahearne-all-rounder-handlebar-254-silver.aspx
>>  
>> ).  These, for me anyway, are a true middle-ground with regards to reach, 
>> effectiveness, and fun riding.
>>
>> I hope the sale and all goes as you want it to as it is a beautiful bike! 
>>  That said, if not, it might be worth an experiment with the MAP/Ahearn 
>> bars.
>>
>> I have hopefully attached a couple of somewhat recent pictures of my 
>> Polyvalent with the Ahearne bars.  Just throwing it out as a possibility.
>>
>> Good luck with the sale if it comes to that!
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
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>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 9:49:07 AM UTC-6, Gossamer wrote:
>>>
>>> Not inappropriate at all. More than happy to answer. While I agree with 
>>> the sizing methodology that RBW shares, I made the mistake in this 
>>> instance. Will tried to tell me, and I didn't listen, that this would not 
>>> be my best choice for a drop-bar bicycle when compared to the Atlantis. I 
>>> ordered it with the choco-moose bars thinking I could enjoy them and simply 
>>> cannot. I tried to put the shortest stem I can, along with a comfortable 
>>> drop bar but it's too much of a reach. As I've gotten older, I've become 
>>> less tolerant to little inconveniences on my bicycles. Rather than fight 
>>> this, I'll sell it, take my lumps and do what I should have done from the 
>>> onset.
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone will see the value in what I'm offering and buy it 
>>> quickly. Feel free to ask other questions, should you have any.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot touring?

[Les Lammers]

I have one of these for my Chevoit,  
https://www.topeak.com/global/en/products/accessories/332-cagemount 
 
On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 7:58:35 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>
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> On 02/24/2017 10:27 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> FWIW, I tried a 2-fish, velcro, strap-on cage on the down tube of my '99 
> Joe Starck custom gofast, for which I had foolishly told Grant to limit 
> cage braze ons to the dt. (Grant: you were right, both for the st braze ons 
> and for the sub-73* seat tube angles. But don't tell anyone I acknowledged 
> this.) 
>
> Moving on: it works, after a fashion, but it also swivels at the slightest 
> touch. I found that it would swivel far enough from straight line-ahead 
> that my eagerly pumping legs would brush it, much to my annoyance, as I 
> sturdily rode along.
>
>
> Obviously not an issue for a back-of-the-seat-tube mount, like on my 
> Moulton.
>
>
> As alternative, I tried various bar-mount bottle cage attachment gizmos. 
> They work well -- except that, with Riv geometry, the added weight of a 28 
> oz bottle makes the front wheel flop more than I can comfortably tolerate.
>
> I found a better solution to carrying water was to attach a Carradice -- 
> can't remember the name; it's the smallest one -- to the saddle, and put a 
> quart bottle inside. Even better, I got D Banzer to make me a nice custom 
> seat pack, that attaches elegantly to the rails of my Flite, that has a 
> pocket for a 28oz bottle. Wala.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
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>> On 02/24/2017 05:57 PM, Austin ^ wrote:
>>
>> imo the biggest limiting factor to the cheviot's tour worthiness is its 
>> solitary bottle cage. 
>>
>>
>> Would the Two Fish strap on water bottle cage help here?   My AM Moulton 
>> has but one water bottle cage, on the front of the seat tube, and I have 
>> one of these two fish units on the back of the seat tube as well.
>>
>>
>> [image: Two Fish The Quick Cage Water Bottle Holder]
>>
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>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: (pricey?) 54cm Quickbeam on eBay

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Enjoy it. It looks like it has seen little use. 

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:32:25 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Well I will step forward and admit I bought this bike.  I had already been 
> watching it when this thread started and later had an offer in when it was 
> being discussed here regarding price. I can tell you that the seller was 
> not at all open to negotiations.  Sent in an offer at 7% off the asking 
> price and he never responded in any fashion either way.   Do the offer 
> expired.  Still haven't heard from him after the purchase a day ago so we 
> shall see 
>
> Hopefully I will end up with a happy purchase.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: (pricey?) 54cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Les Lammers]

Make an offer that suits you. From reading the description it seems like 
the seller picked it up and is flipping it. It does look very clean.

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:03:20 PM UTC-5, Geeter wrote:
>
> I've been on the hunt as well and I would say that is surely on the high 
> end of pricing.
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 8:53:33 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-54-cm-Quick-Beam-bicycle-single-speed-with-flip-flop-hub-/142282631119
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Les Lammers]

Here are the two person tents at Sierra Trading Post. Some have a 25% off 
coupon. 
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~tents/specdataor~sleep%20capacity!2-person/

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 4:46:06 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>
> Thanks, friends. "Riding there" is the new part of this for me. We started 
> in a Sears tent, upgraded to a nice Eureka for 10yrs, got a second Eureka 
> when daughters needed some space, then went along with  a pop-up camper to 
> preserve unity.  Itching to go back to a tent, and S24O is an ideal way. 
> Something to keep the bugs away at night is the essence.

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[RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Les Lammers]

IMHO, the now sold out Rosco B mixte would be more different compared to 
the Glorious and Chevoit. I have the new Cheviot with the long chain stays 
and it's a great riding bike. Perhaps be happy with what you have. :-)


On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 8:46:07 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> I guess my research skills must be lacking as I am unable to determine 
> what the difference is, if any, between these two models by goggling around 
> the net.  Can anyone enlighten me?  I was also wondering about these models 
> as I read that a Glorius is still available from Riv but its not found on 
> the website as an option.  Would it have to be made as a custom only?  I 
> know I could call Rivendell directly but I thought I would bring it up here 
> to also see if anyone who has one of these models would like to post some 
> photos.  *I have a Cheviot* already so not sure if these bikes would give 
> me anything more than I currently own.  Thanks for any input!
>

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[RBW] Re: And now, the annual Betty Foy Valentine thread!

[Les Lammers]

Living on the edge with that tire. I have a Cheviut because I'm not manly 
enough for a Betty Foy. :-)

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 2:30:29 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> And you ARE the poster girl for mixtes! That rear tire is a definite sign 
> that the  Bets  is well-loved and well-used. Just don't let the next tire 
> get that bald!. Cute dog...so well-behaved!
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 8:25:27 AM UTC-6, Jon Dukeman,central 
> Colorado wrote:
>>
>>
>> Great post Leah,
>> My dogs would never sit still or ride on a bike.  Mixte bikes are the 
>> Best!!!
>> Jon
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Les Lammers]

Joe, the VP Push N2 pedals are available online. I got 3 pairs for $61 
shipped from Backcountry.com. Very nice pedals with sealed bearings and a 
nylon body. 

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 12:14:20 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Does anybody have take-offs from a complete CLEM or Appaloosa build? I 
> just bought some VP Gripsters from RBW for my new-to-me singlespeed, and 
> would like to try the similar design plastic cheapies on another bike (Riv 
> doesn't sell them separately). 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Les Lammers]

You can find them on the auction site. They are serviceable.  
http://www.vpcomponents.com/product/vp-push-n2/ 


On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:13:46 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>
> Joe, the pedals that came on my Appaloosa are known as VP Push-N2 pedals. 
> I like them a lot and so bought 2 more pairs for $29 each on Amazon. They 
> are tough and smooth and seem serviceable. I say they seem serviceable 
> because I haven't had to do anything to the originals other than tighten 
> the lock nut under the dust cap a couple of times. I ride the Appaloosa a 
> lot and they are stil going strong after almost a year. I put another pair 
> on my Polyvalent and have a spare pair. Really good cheap pedals. Super 
> grippy, thin and reflectors!
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY  
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Les Lammers]

You can find them on the auction site. They are serviceable,  
http://www.vpcomponents.com/product/vp-push-n2/

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:13:46 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>
> Joe, the pedals that came on my Appaloosa are known as VP Push-N2 pedals. 
> I like them a lot and so bought 2 more pairs for $29 each on Amazon. They 
> are tough and smooth and seem serviceable. I say they seem serviceable 
> because I haven't had to do anything to the originals other than tighten 
> the lock nut under the dust cap a couple of times. I ride the Appaloosa a 
> lot and they are stil going strong after almost a year. I put another pair 
> on my Polyvalent and have a spare pair. Really good cheap pedals. Super 
> grippy, thin and reflectors!
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY  
>

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

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I'm 64 and have a Chevoit with the long chainstays that keep your heels 
away from rear bags. Very comfortable ride and it does not feel 'slow'.  

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B stays.* I am an older 
> guy (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration.* In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: F.S. 55cm Bleriot frame set

[Les Lammers]

I really enjoyed the Bleriot and I did not know the Hetres would fit.

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 3:03:20 PM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
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> It's a great bike at a great price. 
> PBH 81.3 will fit fine (and man, that's such a specific measurement that I 
> don't even want to think about how you got it) . 
> It fits 42's (Hetres and/or Baby Shoe Pass tires) AND Berthoud S/S 
> fenders. 
> And  will fit  either Tektro long reach calipers or Dia Compe CP's with 
> the fenders (with a little massaging)
> It's every bit a Saluki except for not quite as buttery a fork (or at 
> least as buttery as the Toei made Saluki forks).
>
> I know all this 'cause I have both a 55 Belriot and a 54 Saluki ... both 
> are retired and I've been too damn stubborn to put them up for sale at the 
> smart price that Les has here. So thumbs up to you, Les .. and if your bike 
> sells quick (as it should), I'll follow your lead and offer my two 
> dust-gathering babies up for sale with a similarly generous pricing scheme.
>
> Good luck to you ... good bikes deserve good homes.
>
> jsk
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:04:44 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I had this frame in 55cm and I have a PBH of about 79. It fit great with 
>> pullback bars for me, but no appreciable standover clearance. I think it 
>> would fit you better. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: F.S. 55cm Bleriot frame set

[Les Lammers]

Sold to Derek Lawrence. Mr. Bleriot is relocating to Denver,

On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 10:24:16 PM UTC-5, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> I've had my Bleriot for 10 years now and I doubt if it planes (it does 
> have a nice biplane though).  It's more of a comfy do it all cruiser IMO 
> and I find that I ride it more and more every year...especially during the 
> rainy winter months.  I took it out on a nice 30 mile jaunt yesterday on 
> local trails including about half that on dirt/gravel.  Long dirt roads are 
> where it really shines.  I need to do  a ten year review but here are a 
> couple pics from yesterday and the rest of my flickr with many other recent 
> Bleriot pics. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/
>
> Rob Markwardt
> Seattle WA 
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:57:00 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Would you say the Bleriot "planned"?I would not think so due to the 
>> OS tubing, even in 0.8/0.5/0.8mm wall thicknesses.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 1:44:29 PM UTC-5, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>
>>> I made a concerted attempt to ride ever bike I owned last year and my 
>>> favorite of all was the Bleriot! Yes I have more expensive and  "nicer" 
>>> bikes made in Japan and America, but the Bleriot always put a bigger smile 
>>> on my face.
>>>
>>> PBH 83, SH 72.5, Bleriot = 57cm
>>> 38mm Pari-Motos (I never felt comfortable with the spacing to put 
>>> fenders on 42s)
>>>
>>> PS all the other bikes were a blast too!
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FYI: Nitto Fairweather handle bars. Drop bars for riders that don't like drop bars

[Les Lammers]

I like them for the same reasons you stated. They are actually Nitto Model 
174 all road bars.

On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 2:55:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sorry, scrolled through the link earlier, but too fast and missed the 
> figures. Thanks, Garth, for listing them.
>
> It's interesting that they have the same 125 mm drop as the Maes Parallels 
> I love (compared to 140 mm drop for the Noodle), but 40 mm less reach (115 
> for the MPs). I used to like deepish drop bars (Giro d'Italia, Nitto 175 
> and so forth) but my 60+ year old neck now likes the shallower drops, 
> compensated for with a bit more reach. (And the bar is now 1" instead of 3" 
> below saddle.)
>
> I've got Maes Parallels or clones on all my bikes except the folder.
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Les Lammers <llamm...@comcast.net 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hey Patrick,
>>
>>
>> The reach and drop is in this link: 
>> http://store.fairweather.cc/store/p26/MOD174_ALL_ROAD_BAR_by_NITTO.html
>>
>> They are actually Nitto All Road Model 174 bars and do not seem to be 
>> available in the USA. Why are they more comfortable? I will actually be 
>> able to use the drops.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FYI: Nitto Fairweather handle bars. Drop bars for riders that don't like drop bars

[Les Lammers]

Hey Patrick,


The reach and drop is in this link: 
http://store.fairweather.cc/store/p26/MOD174_ALL_ROAD_BAR_by_NITTO.html

They are actually Nitto All Road Model 174 bars and do not seem to be 
available in the USA. Why are they more comfortable? I will actually be 
able to use the drops.

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:12:16 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Les: what is the reach and drop? And why precisely do you prefer these?
>
> I'm curious why these are more comfortable than the Noodles (I ask as 
> someone who himself has found bars more comfortable than the Noodles).
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Les Lammers <llamm...@comcast.net 
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-paidwsJLBGA/WIpGQ7EdLLI/ANQ/c4vvvRBr0DAGp9YZ0EIuraR0kgl5ZI2JQCLcB/s1600/hb.gif>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-paidwsJLBGA/WIpGQ7EdLLI/ANQ/c4vvvRBr0DAGp9YZ0EIuraR0kgl5ZI2JQCLcB/s1600/hb.gif>
>>
>> https://store.bluelug.com/feature/fairweather-handle-nitto-stem.html
>>
>> I bought a pair of these and they arrived today. I was using 42cm Noodles 
>> but the drop was too great. These will be perfect. 
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodles vs Soma Highway One Bars

[Les Lammers]

I'm in Florida and ordered them from Japan. The bummer was that EMS was $43 
but once the bars arrived I was smiling. I never used the drops with Noodle 
but will with these. :-)

 http://store.fairweather.cc/store/p26/MOD174_ALL_ROAD_BAR_by_NITTO.html

On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:

> Thanks Les. I was unaware of these bars...they look great.
>
> Are you in the US?  Where did you order them?
>
> PG
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Re: [RBW] FYI: Nitto Fairweather handle bars. Drop bars for riders that don't like drop bars

[Les Lammers]

Howdy Patrick,

I will be able to comfortably use the drops. I will not be as bent 
over with these and the top is just like a Noodle bar. 

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:12:16 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Les: what is the reach and drop? And why precisely do you prefer these?
>
> I'm curious why these are more comfortable than the Noodles (I ask as 
> someone who himself has found bars more comfortable than the Noodles).
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Les Lammers <llamm...@comcast.net 
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-paidwsJLBGA/WIpGQ7EdLLI/ANQ/c4vvvRBr0DAGp9YZ0EIuraR0kgl5ZI2JQCLcB/s1600/hb.gif>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-paidwsJLBGA/WIpGQ7EdLLI/ANQ/c4vvvRBr0DAGp9YZ0EIuraR0kgl5ZI2JQCLcB/s1600/hb.gif>
>>
>> https://store.bluelug.com/feature/fairweather-handle-nitto-stem.html
>>
>> I bought a pair of these and they arrived today. I was using 42cm Noodles 
>> but the drop was too great. These will be perfect. 
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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Les Lammers]

Woo Hoo for you! Who says you have to grow up? I hope you can ride it a bit 
before spring.

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 6:07:16 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Update...no pix yet. My mixte arrived yesterday. That bike was sure 
> lovingly packed; I think you could have dropped that box from a 6-story 
> building and had a gorilla dance on it and bike would have been fine. Nice 
> packing job but no cat drawings - boo hoo :)
>
> Took us  about 3/4 of an hour  or so to carefully cut off bubble wrap and 
> semi put the bike together ...so sitting in my living room...prettiest 
> thing in the living room
>
> It is a sight to see in the flesh.  Long chainstays and all, the 
> proportions are really pleasing and the craftsmanship is exquisite. The 
> colour I chose is beautiful and I'm stoked with our component choices. This 
> is not a winter beater,,,but can't wait to ride it in the spring. Looks 
> like for the 3rd time in my world, Grant and company have hit it outta the 
> ball park. And as always, a total pleasure to deal with.  Was a long wait, 
> but totally worth it.
>
> Pictures and ride report (will be different from anything else I own) to 
> follow
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:36:11 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>>
>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>
>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>
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[RBW] FYI: Nitto Fairweather handle bars. Drop bars for riders that don't like drop bars

[Les Lammers]

https://store.bluelug.com/feature/fairweather-handle-nitto-stem.html

I bought a pair of these and they arrived today. I was using 42cm Noodles 
but the drop was too great. These will be perfect. 

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[RBW] Re: F.S. 55cm Bleriot frame set

[Les Lammers]

Derek,

The stand over height is 79.4. There is a geometry chart in the post below 
this one.

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-5, Derek Lawrence wrote:

> Anyone have impressions of sizing on the Bleriot? I have PBH of 81.3. It 
> looks like 55 may be a bit big.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] F.S. 55cm Bleriot frame set

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On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 11:58:30 AM UTC-5, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> My bad,
>
> I remember it as a budget Saluki. 650B and *I* think the max tire with 
> fenders is a 38mm. Link to geometry: 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 11:09:06 AM UTC-5, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
>> Hey Les:
>>
>> I forgot where the Bleriot falls in the Riv Hierarchy of Frames. 700c? 
>> AAre the 559s extra? Fits a 35c?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick who is frameset shopping
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:23 AM Les Lammers <llamm...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm offering my original owner 55cm Bleriot with Chris King head set, 
>>> Pletscher kickstand and SKS fenders. But wait there is more...a 
>>> fresh bottle of Carol Hanson Marine Scene  touch up nail polish. Your toe 
>>> nails will match the frame and you can also touch up the chips shown in the 
>>> photos. :-) Frame will be shipped in the Riv box and packing that my 
>>> Chevoit came in. No worries. Frame is in excellent condition. No issues or 
>>> rust. A few minor paint chips on the frame tubes. No chips on the 
>>> chainstays.one minute chip on the fork. Overall a very nice example. I also 
>>> have a NIB set of Tektro 559's and 42cm Noodle bars.
>>>
>>> Asking $500 plus actual shipping. It will be here for a few days and 
>>> then will be also offered elsewhere. I'm not a robot and will be happy to 
>>> talk on the phone etc. two three nine eight four nine two one five seven
>>>
>>>  Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/26308414@N06/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodles vs Soma Highway One Bars

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PG,

I just received a pair of the 42 mm Fairweather bars from Japan. These are 
the bars that do it for me. I had 42cm Noodles. 

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 7:38:58 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:

> I have a 42 cm wide version of each, which I've traded back and forth on a 
> Soma San Marcos frame.
>
> Over time, I can't shake the conclusion that a combination of the tops of 
> the Noodles and the drops of the Highway One would be ideal.
>
> Any thoughts on that observation...and any suggestions as to a third 
> option that might yield that imagined result?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Re: [RBW] F.S. 55cm Bleriot frame set

[Les Lammers]

My bad,

I remember it as a budget Saluki. 650B and *I* think the max tire with 
fenders is a 38mm. Link to geometry: 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html








On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 11:09:06 AM UTC-5, Patrick Shea wrote:

> Hey Les:
>
> I forgot where the Bleriot falls in the Riv Hierarchy of Frames. 700c? 
> AAre the 559s extra? Fits a 35c?
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick who is frameset shopping
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:23 AM Les Lammers <llamm...@comcast.net 
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm offering my original owner 55cm Bleriot with Chris King head set, 
>> Pletscher kickstand and SKS fenders. But wait there is more...a 
>> fresh bottle of Carol Hanson Marine Scene  touch up nail polish. Your toe 
>> nails will match the frame and you can also touch up the chips shown in the 
>> photos. :-) Frame will be shipped in the Riv box and packing that my 
>> Chevoit came in. No worries. Frame is in excellent condition. No issues or 
>> rust. A few minor paint chips on the frame tubes. No chips on the 
>> chainstays.one minute chip on the fork. Overall a very nice example. I also 
>> have a NIB set of Tektro 559's and 42cm Noodle bars.
>>
>> Asking $500 plus actual shipping. It will be here for a few days and then 
>> will be also offered elsewhere. I'm not a robot and will be happy to talk 
>> on the phone etc. two three nine eight four nine two one five seven
>>
>>  Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/26308414@N06/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] F.S. 55cm Bleriot frame set

[Les Lammers]

I'm offering my original owner 55cm Bleriot with Chris King head set, 
Pletscher kickstand and SKS fenders. But wait there is more...a 
fresh bottle of Carol Hanson Marine Scene  touch up nail polish. Your toe 
nails will match the frame and you can also touch up the chips shown in the 
photos. :-) Frame will be shipped in the Riv box and packing that my 
Chevoit came in. No worries. Frame is in excellent condition. No issues or 
rust. A few minor paint chips on the frame tubes. No chips on the 
chainstays.one minute chip on the fork. Overall a very nice example. I also 
have a NIB set of Tektro 559's and 42cm Noodle bars.

Asking $500 plus actual shipping. It will be here for a few days and then 
will be also offered elsewhere. I'm not a robot and will be happy to talk 
on the phone etc. two three nine eight four nine two one five seven

 Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/26308414@N06/

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Front Racks and Baskets for All-Rounders/Atlantis/etc?

[Les Lammers]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 12:55:45 AM UTC-5, GerBear wrote:
>
> Hello, looking to add a Wald basket for my AR.  Anyone have any good 
> suggestions?  I am more of a slow rider that likes toting six packs and 
> baguettes than goo kind of guy.
> Cheers
>

I have a Nitto M18 and medium Wald basket on my Chevoit. The M18 is 
supposedly rated for 14 pounds.  

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[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

[Les Lammers]

Howdy Jay,

Maybe this will be helpful. http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php

On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:17:33 PM UTC-5, Call Me Jay wrote:

> I'm building up a 57cm Legolas soon with a threadless steerer.  My 58cm 
> 650b Homer and second hand 57ish cm Custom has 90mm quill stems and Noodle 
> bars.  They fit like a glove.  Should a go with another 90mm or longer 
> length because the angles are different or given the sportier geometry of 
> the Legolas?

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[RBW] Re: Recommendation of a rear USB light or reflector that I can attach to the back of my Nitto R14 rear rack to cover those holes?

[Les Lammers]

I have the B on the R-14. No complaints.

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 6:38:37 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the feedback. I ended up finding that "Busch & Muller 
> Toplight Line senso Bike Cycling Tail / Rear Red Light" on eBay and ordered 
> it from there. If they would have had it in stock at Riv I would have 
> purchased it from them.
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 5:11:07 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking at the Hotrod 50 USB light they have on the Riv site but I'm 
>> not sure if it alone will connect to the rear of my R14 rear rack.
>>
>> http://cygolite.com/product/hotrod-50-usb/
>>
>> I've got my old light clipped to my bag but would like to put either a 
>> light or a reflector on the back of the rack that totally covers the holes 
>> (see pic of the back of the rack below).
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Les Lammers]

Interesting. What size is your frame? I'm still not sure about the stem 
size on my Chevoit or if the Choco norm bars will stay. Handlebar choice 
can be a slippery slope.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> They do look like neat bars and I was willing to try something a bit 
> different
>
> I had originally ordered a 9cm Tallux stem but after mostly building up 
> the bike ,*Mark (and Grant and Will agreed) that the 9cm stem with the 
> flipped Chocos which extend back way more than moustaches I usually ride 
> with  gave the bike a twitchiness which was not ideal...too far behind the 
> steering axis .* I didn't know what to pick for a stem extension, really 
> , so I just went with what I normally use with moustache and road bars. All 
> ended well ; Mark chopped 14mm off the ends of the bars and swapped the 9cm 
> stem for a 13cm,  so all is well. Must be challenging , though, dealing 
> with a non-local customer, though...there's a lot of back-and-forth 
> especially for a complete build. But they do an awesome job and they bend 
> over backwards to get everything just right, so I applaud them for that.
>
> Pretty much all that's missing from what I've seen so far  is the saddle 
> and seatpost - B-17 Select and S-83 Nitto seatpost and some of those MKS 
> touring pedals
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:49:51 AM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>> Looks might fine Ryan! The Choco norm bars are quite nice. These look 
>> interesting too. 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/pneubar-pname
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in 
>>> sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours
>>>
>>> And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you , 
>>>  Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike 
>>> and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some 
>>> help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks*...Grant persuaded 
>>> me to try his Choco bars* and Mark recommended WI hubs because I 
>>> thought the Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. But I like 
>>> picking parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; Chris King 
>>> headset, Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS fenders, 
>>> Nitto for bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a few nice 
>>> bikes but no place really to work on themI rent...have half a garage 
>>> but wouldn't feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive bike stuff 
>>> locked up in the garage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE. 
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi <shoji.t...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> wow! Happy New Year, Ryan. 
>>>> Tailwinds, shoji
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>>>>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped 
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy new year , everyone !
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day (Rosco Road 53cm)

[Les Lammers]

Very nice! All of the Rosco frames are rather unique.

On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 7:12:01 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> In my never ending quest for a 700c road-ish bike (for my short ass at 
> 5'7") with drop bars and wide (over 33mm) tires I've finally landed on a 
> Rosco Bubbe road! I road the demo a few weeks back and really liked it, it 
> felt more spritely than other Riv drop bar road-ish bikes I've ridden. I've 
> never ridden the Rodeo or Legolas but I bet its more along those lines. 
>
> Bought the frame over the holidays when that 10% coupon along with a few 
> parts I knew I needed to complete a build. Repurposed several others, 
> including some RM-013 Nitto dirt drop bars I've had hanging around (which I 
> forgot were 26.0 and sent me looking for a new stem). And was able to score 
> a really nice A23 wheelset off the ibob list for not too much money.
>
> Finally got it all together today and was able to take on a short 3-mile 
> neighborhood jaunt. Love this bike so far. The g-one tires are great, I 
> thought the clearance on this maxed out at 40mm but I think it'll go 50mm 
> (not sure what tires I'd want to put on that are wider but open to 
> suggestions if you got 'em). The one thing I think I'll change is the 
> sugino xd2 double (40/26) to get a higher top gear, thinking about a 46/30 
> (which will allow me to put this double back on the quickbeam as a 40/34 
> crank).
>
> Just in time for more rain and a work trip (hard to complain about rain in 
> california and the coming weekend is looking nice for an extended ride).
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders installed. Rack moved to the front. Now to figure out if I bought the right sized basket & how to secure it.

[Les Lammers]

Dan,

I'm going to use zip ties but will put some strips of bamboo on the rack 
before securing it simply to prevent metal to metal contact. Still waiting 
for the rack.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 8:41:45 AM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:

> Thanks for all the comments and feedback.
>
> Dan
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:00:19 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> I'm waiting for a Nitto R14 rear rack to arrive this week but in the 
>> meantime I had the fenders installed and the rear rack moved up front. 
>>
>> I'm going to dig around other posts and pics to see how others with a 
>> similar frame have mounted this size basket. I may need to go with a deeper 
>> basket but am not sure yet. I've seen a few people use zip ties to secure 
>> the basket to the rack.
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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Les Lammers]

If you live long enough you will die from something. :-)

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 5:44:03 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> My question was partially a joke, as many people say not to consume 
> something or face the tragic consequences.
>
> Modern western nutrition advice is like a never ending, flowing field of 
> ever changing zeitgeists.
>
> Hard to sort through it all to see what is really true about nutrition.
>
> Hi fat, low fat, no sugar, coffee causes cancer, oops... now it doesn't! 
> Who's backing which research, etc. Broccoli causes cancer,, whoops, now it 
> doesn't...
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Photos from 2012 Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail

[Les Lammers]

DP, thanks for posting, Excellent photos and it looks like a great 
adventure. I was working in South Dakota and took a  side trip to the 
Badlands. There is no place better than the middle of nowhere. Interior SD 
population 67. 68 as I passed through.

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 1:32:53 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> With the interest in the trail, here are photos from my trip on the 
> Southern Colorado portion of the trail: 
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/great-divide-mountain-bike-trail/ 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Les Lammers]

Looks might fine Ryan! The Choco norm bars are quite nice. These look 
interesting too. 
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/pneubar-pname

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in 
> sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours
>
> And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you , 
>  Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike 
> and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some 
> help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks*...Grant persuaded 
> me to try his Choco bars* and Mark recommended WI hubs because I thought 
> the Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. But I like picking 
> parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; Chris King headset, 
> Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS fenders, Nitto for 
> bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a few nice bikes but 
> no place really to work on themI rent...have half a garage but wouldn't 
> feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive bike stuff locked up in 
> the garage.
>
>
> Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
>> wrote:
>>
>> wow! Happy New Year, Ryan. 
>> Tailwinds, shoji
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
>>>
>>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped 
>>>
>>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>>
>>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Les Lammers]

Looks great Dan-O! They are Choco Norm bars.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:20:51 AM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>>
>> Curious what handlebar is this..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>>
>>> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
>>> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
>>> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
>>> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
>>> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
>>> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
>>> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>>>
>>> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>>>
>>> Dan 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Les Lammers]

This looks interesting: http://www.mtbbell.com/

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot Complete

[Les Lammers]

Good. The therapy session is on the house. :-)

rsday, December 29, 2016 at 3:50:36 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:

> yeah keeping it ;-)
>
> settled on steel vs ti ;-)
>

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[RBW] Re: NEW BIKE DAY!

[Les Lammers]

Roaming free is better than the trainer. Enjoy the new ride!

er 29, 2016 at 7:33:52 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> First ride outside (been on a trainer) since hand surgery.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 2:59:52 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Two months in the queue at Waterford; just finished the build.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto r14 rack

[Les Lammers]

Not local, but I bought one from this seller and the shipping time was 
about a week. *I* like the rack. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-R14-Rear-Rack-/121680222093

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> Looking for a Nitto rack local to the Bay Area.

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Les Lammers]

I've had that happen on trails in Big Cypress and am considering one of 
these: http://www.mtbbell.com/ 

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 9:30:53 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The other day I had to negotiate MUP passage with an 8 point buck and his 
> does. We just watched each other for what felt like several minutes. Then 
> they went into the woods.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
>> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
>> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
>> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
>> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
>> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
>> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
>> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
>> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
>> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
>> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
>> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
>> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
>> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
>> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
>> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
>> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot Complete

[Les Lammers]

As your Bike-o-Therapist I suggest you stop Jonesing and go for a ride on 
your Cheviot. :-)

On Sunday, December 25, 2016 at 12:52:10 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> we'll see. still mulling this over quite a bit.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar suggestions for the Hunq

[Les Lammers]

Tim, consider some Ergon grips. They may solve the numbness issue w/o 
changing the bars.. 
http://ergonbike.myshopify.com/collections/grips/comfort-urban

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 5:44:18 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
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> The only extra stem I have laying around is a Dirt Drop, which I would 
> probably start with on the new bar. 

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[RBW] Re: Pneu bars...time for MUSA?

[Les Lammers]

The new bars: 
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/pneubar-pname

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 6:19:31 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> You and  Bill are both right
>
> Ryan the Riv and Nitto lover...whose really *excited about those Choco 
> norm bars* ...but whose steeds mostly wear moustaches; surely the most 
> beautiful bars ever made
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 1:10:51 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> ... yet pales in comparison to putting it to use! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 11:30:45 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Buying something manufactured by Nitto is good for your soul.  FACT.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> "NITTO has made impossibly beautiful handlebars since the McCarthy years"
>>>
>>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Snow powder and pack tires

[Les Lammers]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 2:30:15 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> This morning's ramble was down the pass four miles on densely snowpacked 
> roads and nearly no traffic to get communion for my family. Racing Ralphs 
> gripped wonderfully, and I would have been uncomfortable with the Thunder 
> Burts on this section of road (which has greater potential for drivers 
> unfamiliar with how to drive in these conditions than when I'm going the 
> other direction). Even testing braking and turning grip on sections where 
> spinning car tires nearly turned it into ice, tires remains very grippy.
>
> Coming back up that pass revealed I'd had a grand tailwind heading down, 
> as I got to hunker down and crank my way into a 40 mph headwind with gusts 
> upward from there. No sideways skipping from the tires in this, which also 
> impressed me.
>
> *I love these types of rides. The kind that take 3 times as long both 
> directions because of weather. The kind that require stupidity to do, and 
> endurance to complete. That's just fun. Grin.*
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

It's 68 degrees and cloudy in here in SW Florida...almost too cold to ride. 
However, I can relate to your ride. ;-) 

>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 5:06:22 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I just put these Racing Ralphs on my Hunqapillar as winter wear for snow 
>> of all flavors (but too deep to ride). The Thunder Burts do amazingly well, 
>> but loose it a bit at speed in the sloppy and champaign and hardpack. 
>> Racing Ralph being a highly supple and knobbier tire, at $20 a pop, seems 
>> worth it. 
>> http://www.jensonusa.com/Schwalbe-Racing-Ralph-29-Tire-No-PCKG-21-Performance
>>
>> For those of you who don’t go studded tires yet ride the snow, what do 
>> you find works best for you? My basic three criteria are:
>>
>> — supple as possible maximized grip (this eliminated Smart Sams for me, 
>> once I discovered suppler tires)
>> — wide as practicable maximizes steering and float
>> — knobby as possible yet with a relatively smooth riding center.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

[Les Lammers]

A Nitto m18 may be worth a look. 
https://www.google.com/search?q=nitto+m18=1920=1043=isch=u=univ=X=2=0ahUKEwi4lMqj14DRAhVBMSYKHYxvDu0QsAQIKA
 I 
have one coming and will use a Wald basket with it.

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 11:49:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm liking the Mark's Rack idea. I have a small Riv Trunksack that 
> would fit it, or maybe I'll put my small Wald basket on. Thanks for the 
> pic, it's very helpful. 

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[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

[Les Lammers]

Living near the Everglade is SW Florida makes it hard to relate to this 
post. We need body armor to keep the insects at bay. :-)

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:43:43 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Minus five, with the winter clothing details finally coming together in 
> the little details. What a blast! 
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/winter-ramble 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

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Very nice Bill! I wonder if we will be seeing more 'different' designs from 
Riv? 

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:54:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The build is pretty much done now, including fenders, lighting and 
> tape/twine/shellac.  
>
> ALBUM of Rosco 
> 
>
> It turned out very nicely.  I need to bolt a Dutch Taillight to the rear 
> fender.  I also pre-ordered a big handlebar bag from Ocean Air, the 
> Docena.  When that comes in, I'm going to do a version of a decaleur 
> utilizing Nitto Accessory Mounts.  I should be able to take it out tomorrow 
> and press it into commuting duty right away.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:27:41 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a 
>> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list 
>> is something like this:
>>
>> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
>> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
>> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
>> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
>> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
>> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
>> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
>> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
>> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>>
>> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
>> little closer
>>
>> PHOTO  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Les Lammers]

The shop is The Wheelhouse and they will also be building the bike. I don't 
feel bad at all because it's the right bike for him and he knew it too when 
he went for the demo ride. What he does not know yet is that his wife is 
going to want a Riv .so it goes. 

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-5, Les Lammers wrote:

>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qvUzphGqYNQ/WFMaVj6FSeI/AMY/91Wk1VZzEpA9xc_KMKNEMjILEFHmVJLrwCLcB/s1600/Black%2BBike%2BFrame.jpg>
> A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's been 
> thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
> Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
> Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
> dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
> frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
> planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)
>

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[RBW] I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

[Les Lammers]

A buddy texts me and says that he was in Costa Mesa on business. He's been 
thinking about a new bike for a whiIe. He presently rides an older 
Giant. I Googled Riv bikes in LA.. He goes downtown to The Wheelhouse, a 
Riv dealer, and rides a demo Sam. He calls and tells me  it rides like a 
dream. He's a big guy and they had a 62cm black & cream double top tube Sam 
frame hanging on the wall.. I told him that's likely the only one on the 
planet available. The frame is now heading to Florida. I feel so bad. :-)

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[RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[Les Lammers]

Dear Deacon,

U B crazy. :-) Me? I'm I SW Florida near the Everglades. Under 70 degrees 
I'm in sweats. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 7:19:05 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Fishnet. Wiggy’s (same company in Colorado that does Riv’s sleeping bag.
> http://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/
>
> I just did this test of the top:
>
> It was newly washed, along with a HEAVY flannel cotton shirt, just wrung 
> out and still dripping wet. Put on my ventile shell, rode to WP in 10˚F, 
> with 40 mph winds on the descent. Not warm, but I wasn’t colder at any 
> point on the ride than when I first left the house.
>
> My head and hands with my yet to be fortified boiled wool hat and gloves 
> were chilly on the descent. 
>
> THAT’S impressive longjohning! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: handlebar material

[Les Lammers]

The Nitto heat treated aluminum is stronger and more expensive than Cr Mo.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:14:34 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Yeah but on a few they've said that if you intend to go off-road and throw 
> your weight around, get the aluminum. Aluminum albas used to be specified 
> as stronger on the site (haven't checked recently). I was always a little 
> confused by this, especially considering riv's stance on steel.
>

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[RBW] Re: Three great test rides at RBWHQ

[Les Lammers]

The day is not over. :-)

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 2:09:16 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Michael said I've bought an Atlantis and a Rosco Road and a Hunqapillar. 
>
> I have not bought a Hunqapillar yet. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Sam Hillborne 55ish

[Les Lammers]

Be patient. Some one will get some holiday $$$.

On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 3:40:28 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Pretty standard Rivendell build. 
>
> Shimano brake levers
> Tectro canti brakes.
> Shimano bar end shifters
> Sugino XD2 triple crankset
> IRD Front derailleur 
> Deore rear derailleur 
> Synergy 36 h wheels XT hubs
> Nitto Technomic stem
> Nitto Campee front rack
> Nitto Albatross bars
>
> TT. C-C. 57
> ST. C-T. 55
>
> Pedals, seat, wire basket, and rear bag *not* included. 
>
> Too big for me. Got it locally and it works for commuting with the pull 
> back bars but I'm trying to build up a drop bar bike and well gotta n-1 
> myself.
>
> Photo Album: http://imgur.com/a/lEPAZ
>
> Shows the bike, some of the components, and the knicks. No dents on the 
> frame.
>
> Rides great, everything works/shifts well. Tires in great shape as well.
>
> Message me off list please
>

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[RBW] New Cheviot

[Les Lammers]

I was looking for an all around bike about 9 years ago. Not much out there. 
Stumbled on Riv. Took a chance and got a Bleriot. The 650B's were calling 
me. I still love it. This spring I pre-ordered a gray Chevoit and it's now 
built. I initially had Choco norm bars but they were a bit too upright so I 
decided to try 52 CM Soma Sparrow bars. I flipped them and added Ergon cork 
grips. The saddle is presently a bit below the bars. Stem is a Nitto 
Technomic 60mm. Using Paul Thumbies but may go to the IRD stem shifters to 
clear the bars a bit. Tires are 650B Panaracer Messenger 42mm. They measure 
41mm on Velocity Synergy rims. Not at all bad for a $30 tire. Saddle is an 
older B17 that I sent to SA to have a cut out done. Installed a Nitto R14 
on the rear. A Nitto M18, back ordered, and small Wald basket will go on 
the front. 


I like the Sparrow bars and the Ergon grips are very comfortable. The 
cockpit is upright but not too much so. This is my first non drop bar bike. 
Why did I wait so long? I need to do a long shakedown ride and will post 
afterwards.

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[RBW] Re: My Debate

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On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> What debate?  The obvious answer is both. The L'Avecaise is not a bike 
> packing bike. It's a cyclotouring bike at most. The Riv model it most 
> resembles would be a Roadeo. If you want a real touring bike or a bike 
> packing bike, the Lyon is not necessarily that.  But if you want a light 
> flexible road machine for fat tires, the Rivendell is maybe overbuilt.  You 
> really need one of each, or maybe need to clear out your existing stable to 
> make room 


+1 and/or you could wait and see what the Roadini project provides.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

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On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 1:00:30 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I've bought several from an ebay store located in Montreal Canada for 
> under $200 and have nothing but good things to say about them.   Clearly 
> not a replacement for Bill Laine, but a worthwhile resource nonetheless.  
> Also worth knowing about: if you have a question about Berthoud saddles you 
> can contact Berthoud directly via the contact form on their web site, and 
> they will answer you, and they speak English as well as French.
>
> I don't think it's feasible to expect Berthoud saddles to cost $99.  The 
> leather they use is scarce and hard to get, and other than the cleverness 
> in labor savings via automating or mechanizing part of the saddle 
> production process seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OeHK6sVEw 
> and here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7G5RQieccI (the latter quite 
> short) I see zero evidence of any corner-cutting, cost-cutting or 
> penny-pinching going on.
>
> On 12/09/2016 12:30 PM, George Schick wrote:
>
> Speaking of price, I surfed around to find out what they (Berthoud's) do 
> cost and the first place that popped up was Wallbike.  But the site just 
> contained an announcement saying that Bill's hanging it up as of Dec. 2nd 
> and easing into retirement.  I hate to see him close down - it always felt 
> like you were doing business with a personal friend whenever you ordered 
> something from him. Best of luck in the sunset years, Bill! 
>
> So...it appears that Peter also sells them and, yes, they are rather 
> pricey.  But it's kinda like that post I made last week about the way 
> people object to the price of an Atlantis frame - it's all what you're 
> willing to spend in order to get the quality you want.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 11:22:57 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote: 
>>
>> I think it's about price more than anything.  Berthoud saddles start at 
>> what ~$200?  If you saw them on sale for $99 more people would be giving 
>> them a try.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 7:48:17 PM UTC-8, Bill in Roswell GA 
>> wrote: 
>>>
>>> I find it a bit funny that we never hear about the Berthoud saddles any 
>>> more. I guess most folks realized that a Brooks/Rivet/SA is more 
>>> comfortable for most people. However, even a used Berthoud goes for not 
>>> much less than near new price. Would be interesting to try one as I tend to 
>>> like saddles a bit on the firm side.  
>>>
>>> -
>
> I sent my unused SA back today and bought an Aspin with the 
> cutout Bill/Wall Bike has on the auction site. I have an older B-17 that I 
> sent to SA years ago to have the cut out done. It was magic for me. Still 
> like it but this thread pushed me over the edge, :-)
>

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