Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[R Shannon]

Hello John,

Amateur lighting in the photograph. Paint is the Sage Green Riv offered on
a run of 2014 Sams. Part of that run had cream paint on the head tubes but
I opted out of that one.
In another life it has been a workhorse like your Sam. Versatile bikes
aren't they?

Regarding the DiaCompe centerpulls. I like them. They look good and
function as well as I could expect. In fact, this bike has also run Tektro
long reach calipers which worked well enough too. I realize brakes like
saddles or handlebars are in the YMMV category. You indicated CX-70 cantis
are on your Sam. I have used those with much success too on a
previously owned Atlantis. Currently installing CX-50s on another bike. I
hope that helps.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 9:09 PM john Bokman  wrote:

> Custom paint, Rich?
>
> How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running cantilevers
> on my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to hustle a second
> sam in “fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your approval, of
> course).
>
> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
>
> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement,
> give a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
>
> [image: IMG_0781.jpg]
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> @laing
>>
>> Well.
>>
>> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in
>> leather saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and
>> informed them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too
>> many bicycles" and related nonsense.
>>
>> Thanks for this!
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]
>>>
>>> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I
>>> finally got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was
>>> 10 cm longer than the seat tube.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot
 of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you
 want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect
 previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for
 a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than
 the other one.

 But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5
 including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a
 certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if
 you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking
 for.


 On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about
> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a
> Ram.
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[R Shannon]

Hello JasonR,

Apologies if I confused your Sam with an Atlantis. Not a bad thing I
guess:-) Must have looked at your post on my phone. Anyway, from one Sam
owner to another yours does look really sharp! Enjoy the fall riding.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 3:29 PM Jason R.  wrote:

> Eric - Nice of you to say. In addition to the little shiny sardine, I've
> probably taken in some influence of yours somewhere along the way given all
> your thoughtful contributions and videos. Cheers.
>
> And Rich - I'm unsure if there's another Atlantis'd Jason in the thread
> here that I missed (apologies if that's the case) or if my light-blue Sam
> came off looking sub-green from the surrounding leaves. But thanks so much
> if your comment was meant for my Riv!
>
> Beautiful photos and bicycles all around on this thread.
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:08:08 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jason R: Nice shots & Hillborne!
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:03:59 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays  3) Oops that's
>>> three, nice pics!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend.
 Super nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.

 [image: IMG_6202.jpg]

 [image: IMG_6206.jpg]

 [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
 On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  wrote:
>
>> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of
>> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of sparsely
>> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>>
>> [image: R0004237.jpg]
>> [image: R0004242.jpg]
>> [image: R0004247.jpg]
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Patrick,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert
>>> House. I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to tell 
>>> and
>>> this is certainly one.
>>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>>
>>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>>
>>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more cyclists,
>>> many group ride opportunities, some infrastructure improvements like 
>>> lanes
>>> (still not enough). The ongoing construction of the Beltline; the Path
>>> Foundation continues its efforts to expand the trail system with the 
>>> goal
>>> of connecting to the Silver Comet. Unfortunately, the volume of traffic 
>>> has
>>> exploded and with that speeds to match; likely the same in many large
>>> cities. However, if you know when and where to ride there are plenty of
>>> options for year round riding. Oh, and hills. Lots of those to get your
>>> heart rate up.
>>>
>>> I should add, if you don't mind driving an hour or two in any
>>> direction from the city there are pleasant low traffic rolling country
>>> roads like this to ride.
>>> [image: IMG_0628.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_0689.jpg]
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:53 PM Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rich: It has been decades since I was last in Atlanta, and I've
 never cycled there, but I recall that, at least 20 years ago when I 
 last
 visited my sister and bro-in-law (they took to coming out here 
 instead), it
 did not look to be a very cycling-friendly city. I also recall the area
 from even earlier visits to my grandmother who lived in Decatur, and 
 these
 even more distant memories also are of a poor cycling environment in 
 the
 Decatur/Emory area. Have things changed?

 Aside: do you know the Gilbert house? I see it's now a city-owned
 landmark. It belonged to family-by-second-marriage: a paternal 
 great-uncle
 and widower married one of the Gilbert sisters and I recall visiting 
 the
 Faulknerian remnants of the (I think) 2d-gen Gilbert siblings about 
 1964,
 all living there together, all well over 100 years old (exaggeration),
 including Aunt Gus who boasted that she hadn't been outside of the 
 house
 for 13 years (not exaggeration) and Hattie who had been bedridden for
 years. They had a cook (I recall playing with her son) who from a 
 detached
 kitchen with covered walkway to the house made wonderful 18-course 
 meals 4
 or 5 times a day; between courses they ate biscuits with butter and 
 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[R Shannon]

That's some harsh beausage or what the owner calls "regular scuffs". YMMV I
guess.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> 52cm CLEM "L"
>
> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with so
> many scratches. YIKES !
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o)
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 150
>>> bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!
>>>
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:
>>>
 could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller:
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>
> Clem H
> 52cm
> $741
> New Jersey
> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainring Pins

[R Shannon]

Hi George,

That's great news. I hope your shifting continues to be trouble free!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 3:57 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Rich - thanks for the suggestion to buy an Origin8 chainring from Riv.  I
> did so and it arrived today (quick shipping and great packaging from Riv)
> and I installed and test road it.  It looks like it will solve all my
> shifting problems.  Thanks again!
> George
>
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 10:28:33 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> George,
>>
>> If you're friction shifting Rivendell sells chainrings without ramps or
>> pins. I do friction shift and in my experience the Origin8/Vuleta rings
>> work fine.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainring-110-x-46t-12016
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> George, Drilling out the pins to expose the holes already present won't
>>> matter at all. Those holes are nothing compared to "back in the day" with
>>> the drillium craze !  The 60's weight weenies dream.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Drilled-out-chainrings-and-crankarms.jpg
>>>
>>> The pins and ramps are called "shift aides" by manufacturers. It's a
>>> rather self serving thing, that indexed shifting needs "aides" to help move
>>> the chain. Anyone that knows how to friction shift knows they are not
>>> needed.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: XSmall Sackville Saddlesack - Olive or Tan color

[R Shannon]

Search ended. Bag has been found!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 11:59 AM, RichS  wrote:

> Anyone have the above bag in they're no longer using?
> Thanks very much.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

[R Shannon]

Thanks Ted. The VO drillium looks perfect with the Heron frame.

Regards,
- Rich

On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 3:38 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:35:27 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
> Ted, what is the gearing on the front of your Heron?
>
>
> 48/34 Velo-Orange Drillium
> Great road bike setup. The drop from the 48 to the 34 is on the verge of
> being too big, but it's nice to have the 34t small ring.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

[R Shannon]

That's a pair of handsome bikes alright! Loaded or light — take your pick.
Nice history too.

Ted, what is the gearing on the front of your Heron?

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 1:27:59 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Just got back from a 45 mile loop myself and thought you might recognize
> this one.
>
>  Now that's a handsome bike :-)
>
> For those who don't know ... that Waterford-built Riv ATB used to be mine.
> My first Riv, in fact.
>
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> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson Zingo adjustable lockring wrench for **$7.00**??

[R Shannon]

Patrick, if I decide to take the leap you'll be one of the first to know:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 2:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've installed and adjusted many, many cup and cone bbs, from horribly
> cheap ones that were very hard to adjust for proper tension to top of the
> line like Suntour GG and Dura Ace that were easily installed with perfect
> adjustment. It does help to have good tools -- and I've still got an array
> of pin wrenches and lockring wrenches and pliers and fixed cup wrenches.
> But I recall removing, installing, and adjusting the bbs on my Raleigh
> Sports and Raleigh Sprite, and on Indian roadsters, using a pipe wrench for
> the fixed cup, a Vise Grip for the lockring, and a nail and hammer for the
> adjustable cup. Got 'em pretty close, anyway.
>
> But good quality cup 'n' cones aren't hard to work with if you have decent
> tools.
>
> Really though? The easiest and IMO most efficiently designed (performance,
> longevity, cost -- so I imagine -- and ease of maintenance) off bbs is the
> Ashtabula; always a doddle to install and adjust, even on cheap bikes. The
> cheap cottered bbs and cranks were a horribly less efficient design, IMO.
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:19 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> I have gone back and forth with the notion of trying an adjustable bottom
>> bracket but haven't quite convinced myself to go there. I don't need one
>> since my Shimano and IRD models have always worked fine. BUT the temptation
>> is there and I'm a sucker for the classic look. Besides riding aren't bikes
>> to be tinkered with (for some of us)?
>>
>> Who out there has been "groovy enough to take on a cup-and-cone bottom
>> bracket" (Grant's/Riv's words)?
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 5:20:41 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Garth. I bought one, and I'd say $7 is about the right price.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:48 AM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 This reminds of Shawshank Redemption movie where Andy asks Red to get
 him a rock hammer that sells for (at the time) . $7.

 When Red inquires as to how Andy is going to use it, he replies "you'll
 understand when you see the rock hammer".

 With the HZ lockring tool, you'll understand why it's $7 when you see
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[R Shannon]

Garth, that's exciting! Enjoy the anticipation and the process; always
another detail to consider isn't there? Thanks so much for the update.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:43 PM Garth  wrote:

> To add another layer to the Atlantis history, does anyone else recall the
> very first run of them having longer top tubes ? Not prototypes, they were
> the original run. I recall the number 62cm for a top tube for the (I
> believe) 64cm frame size, as I was considering buying one in particular
> because it had the extra long TT.  I opted for a local Ohio custom
> framebuilder instead which I'm still immensely pleased with ! They were
> changed after that to what the charts listed say, but I know I read it
> somewhere from them, and being surprised by the change, and glad I got my
> custom instead.
>
>
> For Rich in ATL, I'm still waiting  for my new custom from Jack @ Franklin
> frames. That's okay though, as I have a running email dialogue I send him
> periodically with any changes or detail I didn't think of. So the blueprint
> in still very fluid since it isn't ! Basically just like my Bradley model
> but with a slightly longer front-center that gives some additional foot
> room for optional fenders if ever that comes to be. Not a fan of having my
> feet anywhere even remotely close to the front tire/fender !
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[R Shannon]

Certainly spring for Wisconsin!
Enjoy your warm weather riding in LA珞

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
> Late to the winter riding party but in Atlanta we're straddling winter and
> spring so take your pick.
> Daffodils, crocus and spirea (shown) make it look like spring is close; 28
> degrees overnight tells me not yet!
>
> I'm going to have to call that a spring ride photo, not winter. I don't
> think I'll see anything like that until late April. :-) (Well, I will be
> riding in the Los Angeles area in early March)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on film

[R Shannon]

Hello Drew,

Please do share an image of you and your QB loaded with your gear.
BTW, the image I was referring to is the "contrasty" - in a good way -
grove of trees.

Kind regards,
- Rich

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:46 PM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> Rich,
>
> Not sure which photo with trees you're referencing. Anyway, yes, I take my
> whole 4x5 setup in my RPT ("Renaissance Photo Tech") modified Kelty
> backpack with my more or less full sized Manfrotto carbon fiber tripod
> strapped to the side. RPT made a nice system of a backboard that you
> inserted into the modified backpacks (modified with full zippers and a few
> other things), to which you attached camera or lens boxes via hook and loop
> to make the photo backpack of your needs. Sadly, the owner retired and sold
> off everything (I got a few things for sale). I don't go far with that on
> my quickbeam, no more than 3 miles each way, and I don't go fast, but it's
> essentially the same kit I would take if I put it all in the trunk of my
> car.
>
> Camera, up to 6 lenses, up to 9 holders, dark cloth, meter, loupe, tape
> measure, extra bag bellows, extra focusing screen for wide angle lenses,
> and a few other things all fit in there. It's not light, of course!
>
> I'll get a photo of me on the bike with this setup sometime.
>
> Drew
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:41:19 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> Nice work! I especially like the image of the trees (third one going to
>> the right). That's some quality printing! I'm impressed you're toting a 4x5
>> while riding your Quickbeam. Do you carry a small tripod for the Ebony?
>> Back in the day I used a variety of 4x5s and a very old Ansco 8x10. My last
>> 4x5 was a Deardorff, made in Chicago. With a Tiltall tripod, film holder,
>> light meter, etc. it never ocurred to me to try and fit onto a bike!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:19:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at my Flickr stream, I only found two photos of my Riv taken
>>> with a film camera. I thought I had done more over the years, but maybe I
>>> just haven't scanned them and put them up.
>>> https://flic.kr/p/67KheV
>>> https://flic.kr/p/67PtfS
>>>
>>> They're obviously taken one after the other, back on Pi Day of 2009. I
>>> don't recall if I had any pie that day. Anyway, I have long since sold that
>>> Fuji GA645zi medium format "monster point and shoot" (of course, I sold it
>>> before the prices exploded...grumble), but I do ride my Quickbeam when I'm
>>> taking the large format 4x5" Ebony camera out to shoot at local gardens. I
>>> just haven't yet turned the lens on the bike, maybe I will next time.
>>>
>>> That Fuji camera had a data back, so it could imprint focal length and
>>> exposure information in the gap between frames, which was quite handy.
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:29:44 AM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Eric! I appreciate all your contributions to this forum.

 Thank you Shoji, I bought the frames secondhand from 2 different
 owners. By coincidence I ended up with 2 Waterfords with custom paint that
 I did not pick but I am enjoying the colors as well, they really blend in
 with the landscape.

 On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Great colors-- something special about film.
>
> Speaking of colors, I love that color on the Atlantis.
>
> Shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:46:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Dang, Jamin, these are great. I especially like that pic of your
>> Homer in shadow with the mountains in the sun. Really good!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:17:57 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Accidentally posted this to ibob so I'm moving it here! (pretty
>>> Rivendell specific)
>>>
>>> Got a roll of film back yesterday and it had several shots of my
>>> bikes/rides! I thought ya'll might enjoy! Feel free to post any recent
>>> Rivendell film shots if you have some.
>>>
>>> Taken with a Nikon FE on Kodak portra film.   Still learning how to
>>> use an slr and it's kinda heavy/bulky but I got inspired by all those 
>>> RSF
>>> riders with big honkin cameras slung across their backs.
>>>
>>> Jamin
>>>
>>> [image: 05810033 Large.jpeg]
>>> [image: 05810029 Large.jpeg][image: 05810023 Large.jpeg][image:
>>> 05810020 Large.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: 05810008 Large.jpeg][image: 05810007 Large.jpeg]
>>> [image: 05810015 Large.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[R Shannon]

Hello John,

Frame is an Audax Special. 725 tubing.
TT = 25.4
DT & ST = 28.6

Any other questions just let me know.
- Rich

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 9:36 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> King of Mercia?
>
> Tubing specs by chance? 753? 853?
>
> Looks like standard diameter tubing?
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 5:47:40 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> Thank you John, I appreciate it!
>> -Rich
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 8:39 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>>> Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>
 My Mercian with the 980s.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

>
> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable
> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5
> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little
>> while back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
>> [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some
>>> 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[R Shannon]

Thank you John, I appreciate it!
-Rich

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 8:39 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> My Mercian with the 980s.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable
>>> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5
>>> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little
 while back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
 [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]


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> 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[R Shannon]

Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made from
nickel, for me several years ago.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:

> JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!
>
> Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into the
> still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just couldn't
> render the metal surface and details.
>
> Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the link. The
> Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love into it. A
> proper headbadge always beats a decal!
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully relaxing!
>> (As well as informative, of course.)
>> I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may
>> already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges and
>> does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)
>> Revolution Cycle Jewelry:
>> https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
>> I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that I
>> had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I
>>> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but
>>> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame
>>> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork
>>> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to
>>> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also
>>> stripped the frame to raw steel.
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>>
>>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of
>>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax.
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>>
>>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver.
>>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR
>>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan.
>>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto
>>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger.
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>>
>>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo
>>> which I shaped and finished.
>>>
>>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>>
>>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR
>>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at
>>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat
>>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front.
>>>
>>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed
>>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M.
>>>
>>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp
>>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset
>>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm
>>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket
>>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer
>>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post
>>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing
>>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>>
>>> Larger pictures here:
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin'!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[R Shannon]

Eric, thanks very much. Inspiring words and pics coming from you! Thanks
for that:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Nice ones Rich and Luke!
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:47:14 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: 7D7DD80C-F09D-457D-8D6B-35A8AA2B43F7.jpeg]
>>
>> Flew to Orange County last month with the Riv and Rockwall, TX this
>> month! Been fun being able to take it around and ride in different places.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[R Shannon]

Thank you Ryan. I remember reading an interview with Grant (maybe an early
Riv Reader) where he cited Mercian as an influence. Mercian was started in
I believe 1947.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 6:13 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Lovely picture and lovely bike...maybe Mercian actually inspired Riv; I
> think Mercian has been around longer as a matter of fact
>
> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 2:21:03 PM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>
>> Late arrival to the Fall Foliage party but Atlanta still has an abundance
>> of colorful leaves in the trees and on the ground. Not on my Rivendell for
>> the enclosed photo but my Riv inspired Mercian.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> [image: IMG_0360 (1).jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0343.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:24:16 AM UTC-5
>> alancrai...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:12:16 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dang, Robert, looks like you have quite a load there!

 Nice one, Alan! Good to catch you on the chat last night ;)

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> [image: 0BB05B94-13A8-449C-82F2-9C0E3025DACD.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> We do get some Fall colors here. It’s nearly 80 today but the trees
>> don’t care. Here are some colors among the evergreens. No Riv ridden 
>> today.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2022, at 8:34 PM, Marcus Gomersall 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Autumn greetings from Seoul, South Korea.
>>
>> <20221114_072109~2.jpg>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:46:33 AM UTC+9 J J wrote:
>>
>>> C Canal Towpath
>>>
>>> [image: Foliage .jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 12:41:20 PM UTC-5 noona...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here are a handful of off-peak fall foliage photos
 
 from a 70-mile ride I did yesterday outside of Eugene, OR, with roadie
 friends who were visiting from Utah. Even though the foliage isn't 
 super
 vibrant up here, the lighting this time of year is really spectacular.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[R Shannon]

Very inspiring to see the variety of Rivs those of you currently
own or have owned. Max, you have a stellar collection of bikes!

I'm a Golden Ager in terms of longevity but less so with Rivendell; since
2011 if I recall. Wish it had been sooner. I wouldn't have bought lesser
bikes. All part of the learning curve I guess. Cyclofiend, Ecolvelo and
Lovely Bicycle brought me into the Riv loop with reviews of the Sam
Hillborne. The Sam wasn't my first Riv - that was an Atlantis - but it
quickly led to a Sage Green Sam. The expression "you can't have one
Rivendell" certainly proved true. Some others followed: Clem H, Roadeo and
a Taiwan built Homer.

The Sam has been a keeper though with no plans to leave the stable!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:33 AM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Definitely a Golden Ager.  Late 90’s, I discovered Rivendell, spent some
> time with Grant, and picked up a Heron; got back into riding after a ten or
> fifteen year hiatus.  I’ve continue to ride each of my Rivendells - Custom,
> Legolas, Rambouillet, Roadeo, Atlantis, Heron (now a 650), maybe a few
> others.
>
> Many are here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums
>
> Great thread. Thanks!
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 6:52:34 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it
>> began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get
>> started and then Rona Components, Willow, and Heron. I've had a Rivendell
>> ATB (Waterford, early on), Riv Road (Joe built), a few Herons, a Quickbeam,
>> a Bleriot, and a Cheviot. And my wife has a Glorius. I definitely associate
>> more with the earlier designs, and the original prototype Heron Road  and
>> Riv Road are still here. I've evolved more along the lines of Jan Heine,
>> preferring classic road bike designs and riding position, with big tires. I
>> never warmed up to the Cheviot though I tried a slew of handlebars. I sold
>> the ATB and the Bleriot here a couple of years ago. The type of riding I do
>> is largely dictated by where I live, with lots of dairyland roads that are
>> mostly well paved. I don't have mountains or many gravel roads within 100
>> miles. There are some mountain bike trails in the vicinity, but I'm not
>> willing to drive an hour each way to go for a bike ride - I'd rather spend
>> those 2 hours riding!
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you Rivendell

[R Shannon]

Hello Doug,

Friction shifting (dt and bar end) has been my only method of changing gears 
with 7 and 8 speed cogs on my three bikes for so long that it feels natural and 
intuitive. I guess if I had more variety in my bikes/ drivetrains i.e. 9-11 
cogs, index shifting my experience might be different.

Hope that helps.
- Rich

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> On Sep 22, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Rich. The description of shifting on Rivendell's website makes 
> sense to me and I don't think I need a 9 speed cassette as I don't shift 
> often to maintain a certain cadence. The one thing I'm still getting used to 
> with friction shifting is that not every gear change requires as equal amount 
> if shifter lever movement so that I imagine having only 7 gears in the rear 
> will help facilitate muscle memory for the movement in various gears. Do you 
> notice this as well when friction shifting?
> Doug
> 
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:34:55 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>> Hi Doug! 
>> 
>> As a fellow Dylan fan I offer my congratulations. I just installed a Jim 7 
>> speed cassette; I'm very pleased. I hope your setup works as well too.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:25:29 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Indeed! That was a nice little surprise. I honestly thought maybe I hadn’t 
>>> quite followed the contest directions to a “t”.
>>> 
>>> I purchased some Nitto stuff; some bar plugs, and a lamp holder for my 
>>> Edelux light I purchased from a fellow forum member.
>>> 
> On Sep 21, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 I got one, too, and one for the "name the author" contest. I thought I'd 
 answered wrong or they'd forgotten about the whole idea! Now what am I 
 gonna buy... 樂
>>> 
 
 
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>> Rivendell recently posed a question on Instagram with a $20 reward for 
>> those who answered correctly. As a Bob Dylan fan I was able to answer 
>> correctly and just received my reward! I ordered a mini-triangle, two 
>> rolls of Newbaum tape and a 7 speed Jim cassette (11-36) to try on my 
>> Clem. I will be going from 2x9 to 2x7. I am hoping the friction shifting 
>> will be even better along with better chain lines. We shall see.
>> 
>> 
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>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[R Shannon]

Laing, thank you for the info. I could sure use those. Beats deflating my
tire when I want to remove a wheel
Your mystery bike looks like a comfy rider. Love the crank too!

- Rich


On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:38 AM lconley  wrote:

> I got them off of eBay a few years ago. Just save your search and eBay
> will keep looking for them 24/7. That is where I get my Brooks B68 saddles,
> Vetta boxes and Nigel Smythe bags. Getting fewer hits lately, but takes no
> effort and costs nothing. Just have to go through the false hits - Brooks
> B68 turns up baseball cards and Vetta turns up sneakers and watches, but
> you can turn the automatic emails off and just check manually, but
> reasonably priced B68s go quickly.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:21:55 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hello Laing,
>>
>> The QR straddle cable adjusters are a new one for me. After some quick
>> research it appears these are a thing of the past.
>> How unfortunate; what a useful design.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:27:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> In the old days, different size brakes from and rear was normal, not
>>> sure exactly why - may have had something to do with horizontal dropouts.
>>> Schwinn Paramounts came with Weinmann centerpulls - 610 front, 750 rear. I
>>> have the same size combo on my Rivendell Mystery Bike and one of my
>>> Paramounts. Nothing wrong with 700/750 on both ends if they fit, but if the
>>> the shorter brake fits, it looks better and is lighter. If lighter does not
>>> compromise function - I always go with lighter, especially if it looks
>>> better. Note the quick release roller straddle cable carriers:
>>>
>>> [image: 3s.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[R Shannon]

Dave:

There is considerable overlap with the bikes so I opted to keep the Sam to
have the ability for greater carrying capacity. Also, I had a custom road
bike in the pipeline. Incidentally, my first Riv was an Atlantis followed
by the Sage Green Sam; the Sam making a greater impression on me.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 12:54 PM Dave C 
wrote:

> Rich, why did you sell the Homer and keep the Sam? Were you hauling more
> gear? Thanks
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 9:48:47 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hello Dave:
>>
>> You note that you like to 'keep things light". Then go with the Homer. I
>> currently own a 2015 Hillborne and have owned a 2019 MIT Homer; both 51cm.,
>> 650b 38mm. tires. Both bikes had identical setups and the Homer was
>> certainly lighter — not by a lot but clearly discernible and consequently
>> felt a little more lively to me. As others have indicated both handle
>> similarly and offer a comfortable ride for distances of 100 miles or more
>> in a day.
>>
>> In sum, you won't go wrong with either bike.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:48:19 PM UTC-4 Dave C wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the
>>> ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how
>>> they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested
>>> in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am
>>> trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style
>>> and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is
>>> not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[R Shannon]

Alexander,

Thanks for the compliment. The Sam is a really good bike. When the black
and cream color scheme was introduced on the Sams I gave serious thought to
getting one and having a two Sam family. Didn’t happen but after seeing one
in the wild it was tempting!

The orange paint on the Appaloosa is a very nice color. Super comfortable
bike. One of my riding friends has one and did a month long solo tour from
Atlanta to the Florida Keys and back. No flats or other issues.
Navigates potholes and hills with aplomb:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 2:38 PM, Roberta  wrote:

> How do you ride— touring, long distance club rides, commuting, errands,
> mountain rides?  These bikes can do multiple duty.
>
> I ride almost exclusively on roads and MUPs for  just for fun and health,
> and commuting . Yet my first Riv was an Appaloosa and I loved that bike for
> three years. I got an a Homer hilsen for a second location. Sold the
> Appaloosa  to get platypus . I could be giddiously happy with any of
> those.  My favorite is the AHoner Hilsen but if I had to pick one for the
> rest of my life it would be Platy. I love the step thru.
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 1:39:19 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Karl, I am in Chicago and PBH is 88. If anyone is local and would be
>> willing to let me try something out I'd be grateful! I also think there is
>> a shop not to far from me that carries them, I've been meaning to go see
>> what they have for a while.
>>
>> Rich, I suspect once I get one more will follow! I think the first will
>> likely be something used, so it may just come down to what pops up in my
>> size/budget. But who knows, the orange color of the Appaloosa is calling to
>> me as well, so if they make more that could end up being it as well. That
>> Hillborne looks super fun, love that color and bag setup. Looks very
>> capable for Atlanta's hills and potholes - I grew up there and my family is
>> all still in the city
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Alexander,
>>>
>>> Welcome to the group! Terrific collection of Rivendells on this thread.
>>>
>>> Not an easy decision to select your first Rivendell. I went through this
>>> exercise years ago and landed on a Waterford built Atlantis. There is a
>>> common feeling running through Riv owners that says you can't have just one
>>> Rivendell. True enough I discovered. A Sam Hillborne followed shortly after
>>> acquiring the Atlantis. Others followed: Clem H, Roadeo, and a Taiwan built
>>> Homer. All except the Sam have moved on. Pic shows it in commuter mode;
>>> it's done everything well for me including brevets.
>>>
>>> My advice is to take your best shot at what you think works for your
>>> needs now and dive in. It's likely you won't be disappointed. As a bonus,
>>> the customer service rendered by Grant and the crew is outstanding!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the
 closest I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently
 reached a point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it
 got me wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or
 discontinued, if you could only have one?

 Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?

 Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've
 wanted a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit
 obsessed with the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its
 own way. Mostly just curious what you all find yourself riding the most
 though!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt photo archive on instagram

[R Shannon]

Thanks Eric. Inspiring stories to be sure. As frequently as Jobst and his
riding buddies had to shoulder their bikes across streams and rough terrain
they had to keep their rides light. No water bottles for Jobst!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 3:14 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I wish I'd titled this thread "Jobst Brandt rides and pictures." It's a
> better reflection of what we're sharing here.
>
> Thanks to Rich I've been reading Ray Hosler's book of weekly ride reports
> from Sunday excursions with Jobst Brandt around the Bay Area in the 1980s.
>
> On Ray's blog I found this account from his trip to the Alps with Brandt
> in 1986. I haven't even read it yet but I know already that it's going to
> be good. Halfway through his book I know his descriptions of bike rides
> make for fun reading. Lots of photos, too.
>
> https://rayhosler.wordpress.com/tour-of-the-alps-1986/
>
> [image: fontanatwo.jpg]
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 1:13:45 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> @Bob: Rough Stuff Goes West!
>>
>> @Rich: Seems like Brandt was into traveling light even when touring. I
>> like in the alpine reports where he talks about shipping his suitcase from
>> one train station to the next. I just read a Tom Ritchey remembrance where
>> he notes Brandt didn't even have bottle bosses on his frames. Seems he was
>> partial to drinking from springs, stopping at stores and downing big
>> milkshakes.
>>
>> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 1:02:24 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> You're welcome. Under biking to be sure but ride what you've got! For
>>> me, the pictures of the rides he did in the Alps as well as the Sierras
>>> carrying only a Carradice bag
>>> are the essence of light touring; all the better for those big climbs.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks again, Rich, for recommending Ray Hosler's book. I've been
 enjoying reading the ride reports, sounds beautiful, fun, exhausting. Hard
 to imagine these guys were running such narrow tires in rough country.

 I only wish that stats on mileage and elevation were included :)

 [image: poster2.jpg]
 On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:58:02 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> I'm glad everyone who has said so is digging the pictures and reports.
> The guy definitely tackled some beautiful and stunning rides, not to
> mention mileage. I tallied one of his tours and it was something like 
> 1,800
> miles and over 100,000 feet of climbing. I think he was in his 70s at the
> time!
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:35:57 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Wow Eric! Those photos are fantastic. I tried to read Jobst' reports,
>> but came up short.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip, Rich, that sounds really cool.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:05:34 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Thank you for the photo archive. For more stories and pics --
 specifically about the Bay Area rides Jobst and his pals did check out
 Ray Hosler's recent book "Once Upon a Ride".

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:54:29 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> Wow Eric, what a resource.
> Thank you so much.
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Re: [RBW] Nitto Saddlebag Wire Guard

[R Shannon]

Patrick, thanks very much for your feedback. Disconcerting that it fell off
your bike, so yes, "Your Tension May Vary"! Certainly a number of
alternatives available but this one seemed like a simple and unobtrusive
solution worth exploring. Thanks again.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 2:55 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> This device is far too light and flexible to provide any support even for
> a light bag; it's sole purpose is to be a stand-off to keep the back of the
> bag from rubbing the stays or brake cable.
>
> It works well for its purpose, *BUT!* it is prone to fall off at least on
> some bikes if held in place only by it's designed-in tension and the
> pressure of the bag; mine fell of into the rear wheel, fortunately at
> walking speed so that the wheel was not hurt, and I was able to bend the
> device back into shape. I use mine now only with a velcro security strap.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:22 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience with this piece of hardware? They're out
>> of stock at Riv but Crust has them in stock. If the Wire Guard provides
>> enough "lift" it would enable me to use my Carradice Pendle bag.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-wire-guard-20189
>> Thanks very much for your feedback.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Saddlebag Wire Guard

[R Shannon]

Joe,

Much appreciate sharing your experience.
I may be better off buying a different bag. $40-$60 is a chunk of dough for
that piece of nice Nitto wire.

Thank you,
Rich

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:38 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My experience with a Riv SaddleSack is the guard really only does the
> thing it claims: protect the brake cable. The bag settled around it in its
> original position, there was no lifting up or back.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 8:22:48 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience with this piece of hardware? They're out
>> of stock at Riv but Crust has them in stock. If the Wire Guard provides
>> enough "lift" it would enable me to use my Carradice Pendle bag.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-wire-guard-20189
>> Thanks very much for your feedback.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[R Shannon]

Hello John:

Apologies if my reply was confusing. I was referring to the 3M Paint
Protection Film which Paul suggested. I haven't used it but it sounds like
a good alternative - especially if you want to remove it at a later date.
Hope that helps.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:47 AM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hey Rich,
>
> Not sure if you were referring to other protectors when you mentioned
> 'less invasive' or other methods of removing the cloth wrap. If the latter,
> where were these mentioned. May be time to remove mine.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:24:27 AM UTC+9 RichS wrote:
>
>> Or, avoid the guesswork and use one of the other less invasive methods
>> recommended.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat gun
>>> on low would help prevent that…
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection.
>>> One caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of
>>> cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv
>>> sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other
>>> retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're
>>> tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly
>>> lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the
>>> chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles;
>>> ideally, avoid them if you can.
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on
 my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get
 queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I
 don't know what's happening under there.

 Joe Bernard

 On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:

> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime.
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see
>> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like 
>> it
>> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[R Shannon]

One other observation. My Sam and Atlantis from 2014-15 came with clear
chain stay protectors. Formerly standard equipment but now an option.

Best,
Rich in ATL



On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:23 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap
> guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets
>
> Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't recall
> this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not fussing
> about it too much.
>
> So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on
>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I
>> don't know what's happening under there.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see
 lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it
 wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[R Shannon]

Or, avoid the guesswork and use one of the other less invasive methods
recommended.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:

> Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat gun
> on low would help prevent that…
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection. One
> caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of
> cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv
> sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other
> retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're
> tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly
> lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the
> chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles;
> ideally, avoid them if you can.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on
>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I
>> don't know what's happening under there.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see
 lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it
 wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne build video

[R Shannon]

We learn these things as we go. Very satisfying to do your own builds and 
maintenance. Nice work!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Rich, great idea! Rob, who painted the frame, gave me a tool that 
> performs the same function when he returned the bike. Wish I'd know about the 
> skewer trick before. 
>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:22:08 AM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>> Lovely video thank you for sharing!
>> 
>>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 10:58:37 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>> Eric,
>>> 
>>> Congratulations on your beautiful Sam. Enjoyed your video and the views of 
>>> your shop as well.
>>> 
>>> A tip that (I believe courtesy of Sheldon Brown) makes removing a bottom 
>>> bracket much easier:  if the bb spindle allows, run a wheel skewer through 
>>> the spindle and your bb tool, clamp the tool down tight and with your big 
>>> 'ol wrench turn that bb loose.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:19:37 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Thanks all of you for making time to watch! 
 
 David: Seems we have some overlap in our parts, tires and frame 
 appreciation! Rob Gassie (frame painter) was able to set that BB free.
 
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 5:32:19 PM UTC-4 steve wrote:
> Eric,
> Great video.  I very much enjoyed watching.  Great looking Sam.
> 
> Steve Tuggle
> 
>> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:46:57 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Great video.  Great color choice on the repaint (yay black and cream).  
>> Glad the old BB finally was able to be extracted.  Love the RH 
>> Snoqualmie Pass tires.  I run them on both my Sam Hillborne and Surly 
>> Disc Trucker.
>> 
>> Welcome to the Riv family.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 1:05:20 PM UTC-7 gpgun...@aol.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> Fantastic build video. Well done and very entertaining!
>>> 
>>> Gunner 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 3:01:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Thanks to a tip from forum members Liz S. and Paul R. I purchased my 
 first Rivendell earlier this summer. It was a complete Sam Hillborne 
 that I totally overhauled. 
 
 I made a video of the build process, it's up here. 
 
 And here are a few pictures of the completed bike. Thanks for having a 
 look ✌️
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Paul Motolites, short review and pics

[R Shannon]

Okay, thanks Joe.

- Rich

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:36 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yes indeed. There's one ahead of you I'm waiting to hear back from, I'll
> holler back atcha if he doesn't want them 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 5:28:59 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Are these Kool-Stop Thinline pads (with post and washers)? If so, I can
>> take them off your hands.
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 6:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> One more note: I'm using the "ebike pads" Riv sells, which work great
>>> and that cool chrome matches the hardware on the arms. I couldn't tell ya
>>> how the stock orange pads feel, they looked funky against the gray/red and
>>> the bike never got out of the house with them!
>>>
>>> Joe "new orange pads for sale cheap" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 Thanks rich, I may try them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 6, 2021, at 3:30 PM, RichS  wrote:

 Sam,


 To answer your question, Yes. I used Motolites on a 26" wheel Atlantis
 for a 650b conversion. Worked fine.

 Joe, the red cable end caps are a nice touch!

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 2:32:46 AM UTC-4 Sam Perez wrote:

> I read that you can use them to run different wheel sizes assuming you
> star with a 26 inch wheel. Anyone try it? And would the higher pad 
> position
> affect performance. I’d imagine it would introduce some flex. Any insight?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2021, at 9:32 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Remember these linear pull brakes from the early '90s before linear
> pull was really a thing? I just picked them up from James and Candice at
> Analog Cycles and I confess, I bought them because they're Paul and MUSA
> and cool and I wanted them. Did I think they would work better? This 
> didn't
> even occur to me, they're brakes, they're going to stop things, that's all
> I ask. Well kids let me tell ya, these babies have modulation and
> smoothness and power you can't BELIEVE! I like em, check em out.
>
> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Paul Motolites, short review and pics

[R Shannon]

Joe,

Are these Kool-Stop Thinline pads (with post and washers)? If so, I can
take them off your hands.
Thanks very much.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 6:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> One more note: I'm using the "ebike pads" Riv sells, which work great and
> that cool chrome matches the hardware on the arms. I couldn't tell ya how
> the stock orange pads feel, they looked funky against the gray/red and the
> bike never got out of the house with them!
>
> Joe "new orange pads for sale cheap" Bernard
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Thanks rich, I may try them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 3:30 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> Sam,
>>
>>
>> To answer your question, Yes. I used Motolites on a 26" wheel Atlantis
>> for a 650b conversion. Worked fine.
>>
>> Joe, the red cable end caps are a nice touch!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 2:32:46 AM UTC-4 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I read that you can use them to run different wheel sizes assuming you
>>> star with a 26 inch wheel. Anyone try it? And would the higher pad position
>>> affect performance. I’d imagine it would introduce some flex. Any insight?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 9:32 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Remember these linear pull brakes from the early '90s before linear
>>> pull was really a thing? I just picked them up from James and Candice at
>>> Analog Cycles and I confess, I bought them because they're Paul and MUSA
>>> and cool and I wanted them. Did I think they would work better? This didn't
>>> even occur to me, they're brakes, they're going to stop things, that's all
>>> I ask. Well kids let me tell ya, these babies have modulation and
>>> smoothness and power you can't BELIEVE! I like em, check em out.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front derailers that won't friction shift

[R Shannon]

Hey Garth,

You’re absolutely right. Checked mine a little bit ago and it is the 2400. I 
think it’s two or three years old.

Looked at the current design and it is distinctly different.

Thanks very much!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On May 29, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Claris you have Rich is the 2400, yes ? That's a "normal arm", while the 
> long arm wonky pull version is the 2000. At least they're easy to spot 
> visually. 
> 
> 
> Microshit makes a nice looking 9-speed normal short cage FD, it's in their 
> catalog, the R52S.  I'm sure Grant @ Riv knows about it as it was pictured in 
> one the email/blugs last year. Only he knows why they don't offer it , maybe 
> they can't get them as I've found but few traces of it being sold. 
> 
> https://www.microshift.com/models/fd-r52s/
> 
>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 11:33:18 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> That was a good post; great timing when there has been much discussion as of 
>> late concerning front derailer design. 
>> Thank you to Andy for his highly informative analysis!
>> 
>> Couple things in Will's post that stood out for me:
>> 
>> 1. Will said he wasn't happy with the way a Claris front derailer friction 
>> shifted. I've used the Claris in double and triple configurations, friction 
>> shifted (bar ends), 8 speed 
>> without any problems. Maybe I missing out on something by not using a 
>> different der? I have a Suntour ARX on the way so. . .
>> 
>> 2. Wonder what the forthcoming "good" friction shifting derailers will be?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 12:48:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Here's a weird thing I didn't know about. Will wrote this up in an email 
>>> newsletter, I have just the one screenshot and don't even know if it's ok 
>>> to quote the whole thing. But basically these "long arm" Shimano FDs are 
>>> designed for brifters and don't work well with friction. That's really 
>>> weird! 
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip

[R Shannon]

Paul and Andy,

Thank you for all your great advice. I'm going to log this for future use:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:44 PM RichS  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Good report! Looks like you and friend Dan had a fine time. Your visual
> and written account is much appreciated. This trip has been high on my want
> to ride list for some time. Would late spring (which worked well for you)
> or fall be the optimal seasons to be on the trail?
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 10:04:11 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nice pics Paul thanks for sharing. A friend and I are doing the DC to
>> Pitt direction later this year. I've only ever done overnight bike camping
>> trips and he's never even done that. Hoping to do it in 50 days. We live in
>> DC.
>>
>> Originally had this planned for end of August, but life got in the way so
>> now we are shooting for mid October. Gonna need some extra layers for sure.
>> Do you know when everything starts to shut down for the season?
>>
>> Pat in DC
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I  really enjoy seeing all the variations of folks' trips and iterations
>>> of outfitting on this route. I'm fortunate to be a twenty minute bike ride
>>> from the Pittsburgh end and frequent the GAP portions and points along that
>>> way that are fun detours and sightseeing.
>>>
>>>  I started riding on the GAP with my Rambouillet which doesn't have a
>>> load capacity for self supported travel but as a result I've refined my
>>> options for refreshments, meals and accommodations. My favorites are two
>>> day rides from home, either out to Ohiopyle for the night and back or to
>>> Cumberland with a overnighting in Ohiopyle and Amtrak home from Cumberland
>>> at 7pm. It is the use I patterned my custom bike to support.
>>>
>>> Last year I rode several centuries out and back on the GAP to take
>>> advantage of the crowd thinning weather, my familiar trailside resources
>>> and the relatively level grades.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 12:12:57 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 While I have done unsupported multi-day trip from Pittsburgh to DC
 (GAPCO) a number of times, this time I accompanied friend, Dan on his 7-day
 trip from east-to-west in the opposite direction. A bit of a new
 perspective on the trails along the C Towpath in Maryland and the Great
 Allegheny Passage in Pennsylvania.
 I was on my Sam Hillborne, which is my dedicated touring bike, mostly.
 It serves me very well for this sort of thing. I have a Homer Hilsen I use
 for mixed-surface riding day trips and love it. It could probably handle
 touring, but I suspect the slightly stouter Hillborne is more reliable for
 multi-day loads.
 We chose to go a bit early, the end of April, and were met with a
 variety of weather conditions, from sunny (even hot) days to cold (down to
 freezing one night) with a bit of rain thrown in for fun. We were prepared
 for it so the cooler temps were welcomed.
 The benefits - especially this year when many more folks will
 undoubtedly be out riding these trails - were fewer trail users and more
 available campsites and fewer bugs along the Potomac River. (Not that is
 usually a big problem for us, even in the summer.)
 My Flickr trip album of the trip is chock full unfortunately - for my
 own memories - so I apologize in advance. This time around, however, I
 tried not to duplicate photos of the numerous and more recognizable
 landmarks for the GAPCO, which I have done before.
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157719131492162
 Happy trails to all,
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Derailer for A. Homer Hilsen

[R Shannon]

Hi Garth,

The model number for the Claris double is FD-2400.

Thanks for the link to Andel cranks. +1 on the classic design and common
bolt pattern.

I'm in your camp when it comes to the spirit of a "good ride":-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 7:52 AM Garth  wrote:

> Doug, The most direct thing I can say is trust yourself and those initial
> ideas of what works for you. A 24t ring is always gonna be 24t and a 26t a
> 26t, they'll never be the same !  The Riv silver crank will be here when
> you need it. A more expensive crank is just more expensive and won't make
> any difference in your rides. The "lighter = faster" thing just doesn't
> hold up in my experience as such terms are relatives, comparisons of
> comparisons with other comparisons. Is your head spinning from the round
> and round like a circle of no escape ?  Such are comparisons !
>
> Another versatile crank that comes to mind is Davinci . It's offered in a
> host of changeable spiders, with or w/o rings.
> https://www.davincitandems.com/components/#cranks
>
> My own bias here : I like common bolt pattern cranks, where I can use any
> brand of rings.
> A "good ride" is forgetting all about the story of how the present came to
> be and where it's going, to not think about anything at all. Life literally
> does "take care of It-Self".
>
>
> Rich ... cranks galore from Andel !!! http://www.andel.com.tw/category.php
>
>
> For Doug and Rich, which Claris FD model are you referring to ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the comments everybody. Garth, I agree that the compact double
>> sounds good on paper and saves a few ounces, but like you, I'm still
>> reluctant to give up my triple in the hills where I ride. I still wonder if
>> the 26 will be as useful as the 24. I don't use my 24 with the 32 in back
>> often, but when I need it...I need it. I even run a 11-34 in the back
>> sometimes. Again, nice when you need it.
>>
>> Nice to know that Andel makes the Silver triple. Of course I could also
>> consider the Rene Herse triple, but one has to wonder if it is going to be
>> that many $$$ better than the Silver triple. How much lighter and faster
>> can it really be? Both the Herse double and triple are gorgeous, of course.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:38:13 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> My experience with double FD's is that they are incredibly adaptable
>>> with capacities far beyond the manufacturers self-imposed specs and
>>> guidelines. The apparent raves about the CX70 I take with a grain of salt
>>> as there are endless other double FD's that work just as well. I'm
>>> currently using a Tiagra 4400 9-speed double FD with 44/36/24 rings (9-sp
>>> chain, Andel triple crank) and it shifts as well as I could ask for. That's
>>> even using a 44t ring intended for small/middle use mounted backwards, as
>>> the big ring. The specs of the FD say it's 2(larger) road rings, the specs
>>> say it only has so much capacity between the rings. How about what the
>>> specs don't say, or can't say ? What specs don't/can't mention is the
>>> infinitude of settings and usefulness. What they cannot express is the
>>> unlimited/inherent creativity that lies within.
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, about comparing wide/low doubles and triple cranks. 3
>>> rings offers the ability to run either large ring with the cassette. Even
>>> if some gears appear to overlap per ring that's okay as that offers the
>>> ability to use different cogs in the back rather the same cog all the time
>>> with a single ring alone. It also offers larger up/down shifts just by
>>> changing rings rather than by just cog shifts. So while a wide/low crank
>>> sounds okay in talking about it, I won't be riding one anytime soon with
>>> the hilly terrain I live in where I use 36,44,46 rings and cogs from 14 to
>>> 32 teeth daily.
>>>
>>> Also, the 152mm Andel triple crank I run is a black powdercoat finish.
>>> Andel makes it in silver also , but I've grown to like the hearty finish.
>>> It's very scratch resistant and easy to clean if need be. It's also notably
>>> stiffer/straighter than a Sugino XD type crank of which I've used 5 of. The
>>> XD is another of those online rider "favorites" that in my experiences is
>>> the least favorite of all. The hidden/backwards bolt only adds to it's
>>> demerits. Andel is a fine crank manufacturer, I wish their extensive crank
>>> selection was more easily accessible in the US market. The Riv Silver crank
>>> is made by Andel, btw.
>>>
>>> I've grown to like some black finished parts. At this point anything but
>>> the frame I'm okay with in given circumstances.
>>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:26:07 AM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>
 Hi Doug, is your Claris triple specific? If it's not, that may account
 for the rough shifts. Triple FDs have an inner plate that is taller than
 the outer one. The CX70 is spec'ced for a double crank (46T top gear, 

Re: [RBW] Re: First 40+ miles...

[R Shannon]

Hi Robert:

My apologies - not trying to turn this post about your two terrific new
bikes into a thread about shifters! Good to know about the ratcheting feel
on the Silver 2s. Thanks!

Andy, given the frame size you require I can see why bar ends would be
optimal for you. I'm nowhere close to you in height so I can go back to the
future shifting from the DT or install the excellent shifting Shimano
bar-enders.

Best,
Rich in ATL




On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 6:10 PM Robert Dowtin 
wrote:

> With that said, I should have pointed out the 'ratcheting' feel is pretty
> great. I like the 'feel' of the pull better than the dura ace but I loved
> my dura ace shifters on my Crust's bartends. So... 路‍♀️
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021, 16:13 R Shannon  wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback on the shifters. “Which bike am I going to take.”
>> Good problem to have!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 3, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Robert Dowtin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks so much for all the kind words! I promise I will attempt to
>> provide more entertaining reports and pictures in the near future.
>>
>> Rich: I am not positive I love the silver 2s on the DT. I am not so sure
>> I would prefer them on the barends however... I need to give them lots of
>> time before I allow myself to develop a real opinion.
>>
>> I really do have a hard time getting work done around here now. I find
>> myself spending a lot of time thinking about when I can get out again for a
>> ride and which bike I am going to take.
>> Update: I think I may have fixed the shifting by going back to the
>> Suntour Cyclone RD w/ an 11-28 cassette, instead of the 11-32. Everything
>> seems to be shifting quite nice with that and a vintage XT FD.
>>
>> Pic: Yesterday afternoon top of Mt. Gaylor
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First 40+ miles...

[R Shannon]

Robert,

Thanks for the feedback on the shifters. “Which bike am I going to take.” Good 
problem to have!

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Robert Dowtin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks so much for all the kind words! I promise I will attempt to provide 
> more entertaining reports and pictures in the near future.
> 
> Rich: I am not positive I love the silver 2s on the DT. I am not so sure I 
> would prefer them on the barends however... I need to give them lots of time 
> before I allow myself to develop a real opinion. 
> 
> I really do have a hard time getting work done around here now. I find myself 
> spending a lot of time thinking about when I can get out again for a ride and 
> which bike I am going to take. 
> Update: I think I may have fixed the shifting by going back to the Suntour 
> Cyclone RD w/ an 11-28 cassette, instead of the 11-32. Everything seems to be 
> shifting quite nice with that and a vintage XT FD.
> 
> Pic: Yesterday afternoon top of Mt. Gaylor
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Repaints

[R Shannon]

Good detective work Andy. Way back I recall Grant talking about decals and I’m 
quite sure he referred to SSI as Riv’s supplier.

For all those interested I hope SSI will accommodate one off requests.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:31 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> Make that Sheet 3. (duh)
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> 
>> On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>> Here's a decal/sticker/transfer source to try for a Ram refinish:  
>> https://www.sssink.com
>> 
>> Their site, if you follow the restoration links, brings you to this nice 
>> map: 
>> https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-33557364/documents/5bbb55602e97eyjktBn0/2018%20SSSink%20painter%20map.pdf
>> 
>> In their alphabetic listings, Rivendell, Sheet 4, is this valued image: 
>> 
>> They were vendors at the last Philly Bike Expo and appear to have a deep 
>> catalog and multitudes of format types to satisfy your insignia wishes the 
>> refinishing. Nice folks and sounded like they were very experienced in their 
>> work. I do believe they will make one offs as well. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 8:34:38 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>> Agree with Andy and Paul on the paint work Mr. Coast has done for his 
>>> frames. A Vanilla Shake Ram with the right accents could look mighty sweet! 
>>> Designate the color as Sheepswool Cream, beige or off white!
>>> 
>>> Riv does not have Ram decals so you'll have to have them made. Bruce (Fully 
>>> Lugged) on this list had decals made for his Ram. If Bruce checks in here 
>>> regularly he can give you his contact. Of course the Riv folks may be able 
>>> to connect you with a vendor who makes one off decals.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> 
 On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4 LBleriot wrote:
 I found some blistering on my protovelo Romulus and after getting quotes 
 from Coast and Waterford, I decided to have my local auto body shop 
 respray the frame.  It’s a single color with no panel on the head tube and 
 no decals.  For $75 I got a beautiful respray that matches the original 
 color on the fork perfectly.  It took a day and I avoided the hassle of 
 shipping.  Something to consider.  If it was my orange Ram, I might get on 
 the Joe Bell list and go through the effort. 
 
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-4 Buck Flagg wrote:
> Hello, group! Help needed!
> 
> I am getting to the point with my RivBike that I will soon be needing a 
> repaint. My fifteen year-old Rambouillet is a four-season commuter with 
> around 55K miles on it, 99% racked up on NYC streets and bike lanes. With 
> all that, not to mention daily chaining to a bike rack, it would be 
> impossible to maintain a frame in pristine condition but now my periodic 
> inspections are starting to turn up evidence of corrosion causing wee 
> blisters in the original paint in a few places.
> 
> The Rivendell website page on repaints lists a couple of shops in CA and 
> Waterford.
> 
> Anyone here have any wisdom/experience/opinions on this subject they'd 
> care to offer regarding these or any other paint shops? Ideally, I'd love 
> to find someone with mad skilz in the greater NYC area who has experience 
> with the Rivendell product and access to the Rivendell decals.
> 
> Very grateful, in advance, for any help!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Vertical bike storage (again)

[R Shannon]

David,

Thank you for the info. I've often thought of putting together a compact
version of your storage rack. You've given me the impetus to push the
project forward!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 8:41 AM David Sprunger  wrote:

> 2 x 6 actually, with a sheet of 1/4" plywood cut up for the bumper boards.
> I used the larger size Park hooks for more lee way with the bulkier
> rim/tire combinations, such as the Bombadil.
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:41 PM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Nice work David. Very tidy. 2 x 4 with appropriate hooks/hangars?
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:38:13 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looks good, David! Is there a definitive vertical bike storage thread? I
>>> had a similar questions and nearly started a thread myself.
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 9:21:37 PM UTC-4 spru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks everyone for sharing ideas for storing bikes vertically. I have
 set up a corner of my new garage with the bikes we ride the most.

 In the picture, the rear wheels are all at about the same point, so you
 can see the difference in wheel bases. The Cheviot is, not surprisingly,
 definitely the longest single bike.

 Thanks again,
 David Sprunger
 now North Newton, KS

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[R Shannon]

Hello Matthew,

Not sure if this is the most efficient method to create a DIY guard but so
far I'm happy with the effort. Here is a work in progress picture  of the
guard. It started life as a 50 tooth Shimano 110bcd ring. My big (now
middle) ring has 46 teeth. Following is how the modification went:

1. Used a hacksaw to remove the teeth without getting too close to the line
which would become the outer edge of the guard. This went pretty quickly.
2. Next, used an oscillating tool for careful removal of the remaining
material while avoiding cutting into the new edge and maintaining an even
circumference. Slow process!
3. Using fine and coarse files along with coarse emery cloth I was able to
achieve a smooth edge.
4. Last step: Steel wool and wet sanding with various grades of emery cloth
to get a decent finish.

I don't have a bench grinder or dremel but those would certainly be
helpful. If you're game I'd say give it a try. I'll post a picture when I
reach the finish line.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 1:23 PM Matthew P 
wrote:

> Neat Rich! Same here. I'm giving the triple to double conversion a second
> thought. I didn't like them before because I thought of them as a crippled
> triple. But this thread has changed my mind. The toothless outer ring has
> been referred to by multiple names with associated functions: bash guard
> and a term implying saves the cuff of your pants. These appeal to me more
> than ever, and I  like the idea of the toothless outer ring theoretically
> making it near impossible to throw the chain over/off the outermost toothed
> ring.
>
> So, Rich, a question: did you grind the teeth off a chaniring? Wouldn't
> that leave it very short? The one Riv sells seem to be as tall  as the
> toothed version. Whats the best DIY?
>
> -Matthew
>
> On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 9:14:37 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> This thread has been of particular interest and help as I have never
>> performed a triple to a double with guard conversion. Currently putting the
>> finishing touches on a homemade chain guard (a rewarding effort so far).
>> The shared experiences here on derailer setup will be invaluable as I work
>> through this installation.
>>
>> Thank you to all!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 3:45:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Ben, when you say "stuck" is the chain jamming and stopping the cranks,
>>> or is it falling between the rings? If it's just a problem of the chain not
>>> moving over far enough to hit the granny, you may be able to adjust the
>>> indexing (or reposition the cable in the fixing bolt) to make that shift
>>> more solid against the chain. This is hard to explain in word pictures but
>>> imagine a friction shift where you kept pushing down on the left bar-end
>>> until the chain made it over to the small ring. Her shifter needs to slap
>>> that fd cage over hard/far enough to complete the shift.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 12:31:46 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Joe,

 I think I'll try the chain first and see if that fixes it. Hopefully it
 will, since my GF is not terribly interested in barcons or DT shifters (it
 actually had barcons originally and I replaced those at her request with
 the R9).

 Ben
 On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:59:23 PM UTC-7 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> I suggest using an FD for a road triple or a mountain triple (instead
> of a road double) with the 38-24 cranks as those are just the middle and
> inner chainrings the FD expects in a triple. The 105 is designed for a 
> very
> large outer ring (around 50-ish) in a compact double crankset (43.5mm
> chainline).
>
> Shimano CX-70 is a popular choice - as Bill points out - and it's
> designed around a 46-30 compact crankset. The new GRX FD would probably
> work as well since that is designed for a 46-29 compact crankset, though I
> don't have direct experience with it.
>
> I like to run a mountain triple (the venerable Shimano Deore M-591)
> with the 38-24 as well the 34-24 (low-low) and the 42-26 (Sugino XD600 
> with
> a chainguard as outer ring) from Riv. I have also used a Shimano Sora
> FD-3030 with good success:
>
>
> https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/sora-r3000/FD-R3030-B.html
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:26:47 PM UTC-7 Erik wrote:
>
>> I'm working on putting together my shiny new gold Sam H that I picked
>> up from the Rivendell shop today.  Everything was coming together
>> beautifully, until I went to install the front derailleur. It's a Shimano
>> 105-5700 for a 2x set up.  I'm running a Silver Wide/Low double with a 
>> 38 /
>> 24.  The cage on the derailed is too long to set it up with the correct
>> spacing between the large chainring / guard and the cage.  It ends up
>> hitting the chain stay when I shift.
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[R Shannon]

Phil,

I have P45s paired with 650b 38mm Gravel Kings
on my Hillborne. Works fine but of course 
P50s would give more margin. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Mar 28, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> Fenders are practical!  What width tires?  
> 
> This is from Riv’s website. I hope this helps. It doesn’t specifically say 
> “chromoplast.”
> For 700c tires skinner than 28mm: P35
> 
> For 700c tires 28mm to 38mm: P45 Longboards if you ride up to a 700x38 size.
> 
> For 650b or 700c tires up to 45mm: P50 
> 
> For 26" tires up to 2" :  P55.
> 
> For any 700c, 650b, or 26-inch tires up to 2.35" (65mm):  B65
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 9:09:31 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Any ideas what SKS Chromoplastic fender set will fit the 650b models? I have 
>> a P45 I need to return to Amazon.
>>> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>> Perhaps the paint will have fluorescence properties.  This from the latest 
>>> issue of National Wildlife Magazine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 9:23:15 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
 I hear ya, Kate, I was all about that shocking LimeOlive when I first saw 
 it but I suspect it wouldn't age well with me. If I got this frame it 
 would be Mermaid. 
 
 
> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 6:08:54 AM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Oh my my head was filled with Platy dreams all night!!!  I can't 
> wait.  I put it out of my head and forced myself not to think about it 
> until next month but what?  Here they are.  So close!!!  
> I originally attached myself to the 50 lime/olive but that mermaid is 
> calling me like a siren in the distance.  Hm, I shall sleep again 
> tonight and see who calls. 
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
> 
>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:42:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Haha, I knew you would catch the spelling. And you're right, I DON'T 
>> STAND A CHANCE! 
>> 
>> Joe "hmm, maybe a 2-speed project to see how light a Platy can get would 
>> be fun 樂" Bernard
>> 
>>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 6:31:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> Yes, but who wants to tell Will he’s spelling it wrong? It’s PLATY!
>>> 
>>> I’m so excited for the Platy People. The colors look beautiful; you 
>>> will love the bike. There’s magic in the Riv mixtes. Joe, you don’t 
>>> stand a chance.
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 26, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 Check your emails, kids. In a stunning turn of events I've never seen 
 in the history of RBW - and I've been here from the beginning - frames 
 are a month early! 
 
 PS. Note that Will now calls Platypuses "Plattys", which is what Leah 
 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding has been calling them for months. It's the new 
 catchphrase that's sweeping the nation! 
 
 Joe "doesn't need a new bike doesn't need a new bike doesn't need a 
 new bike" Bernard
 
>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>> Some not gangly nor awkward 60cm Cheviot shots from Napa:
>> https://imgur.com/a/VXeg4Q5
>> 
>>> On Friday, 26 March 2021 at 11:02:51 UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>>> As someone who's getting a 60cm olive green, I can't wait to see 
>>> that size and color either! I hope the 60cm look as nicely 
>>> proportioned as the smaller ones. I always thought the 60cm Cheviot 
>>> looked so gangly and awkward compared to the smaller sizes.
>>> 
 On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:
 Looking at the Riv site and the pics and "Standard" build noted 
 there: The rear gearing is shown as 11-34 9 sp (my favorite!) but 
 the R90 Sunrace mech in the picture will only do 11-28. Possibly, 
 the bike will ship with a different rear unit. Sunrace does make 
 an 11-34  capable MTB rear derailleur. Microshift is another 
 source of nice parts for less money than the big name parts 
 makers. 
 
> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
> Wow, it scales by wheel size basically perfectly, they look the 
> same size if you don't know ones 650b and ones 700c
> 
>> On Fri., Mar. 26, 2021, 5:51 a.m. Leah Peterson, 
>>  wrote:
>> I suppose it does because there was no demo at Riv until now. 
>> The demos prior to this one (we saw them in green and silver, I 
>> think) are off in the wild somewhere (don’t know who got them) 
>> and they were not the final design. So, the container must have 
>> arrived and that 

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

So nice and classic Riv too. It’s definitely a keeper. 

Best,
Rich in ATL 


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> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Jingy  wrote:
> 
> 
> I was starting to have thoughts about selling this again, but as usual, all 
> it takes is a ride and those bad thoughts go away.
> I love this bike!
> 
> Jim in Mpls
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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk Me Out of Building My Own Wheels

[R Shannon]

It is indeed Jim Langley. Agree with Garth on how well the information is 
presented.

Best,
Rich in ATL
(Building a set of wheels right now)

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> On Mar 4, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Pancake  wrote:
> 
> Is this the video you were referring to? 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8
> Jim Langley (not Land)?
> 
>> On Monday, 19 October 2020 at 10:48:25 UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  You'll be alright Steven. The difference to me between wheels built by 
>> me and wheels built by a dedicated professional is theirs are within tighter 
>> tolerances and they don't ever need touched, at least mine haven't and I 
>> have a 20 year old pair from Joe Young. They also do it much quicker of 
>> course. 
>> 
>>Jim Land on youtube has the best video of building/truing wheels I've 
>> seen, his way is presentation is very easy going and more intuitive than all 
>> the books that I once read, and hated. 
>> 
>> "Just one more book Alice ... and POW .. right in the kisser !" 
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Re: [RBW] Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

[R Shannon]

Andrew, that's a great looking bike. The blackwall Bon Jons look just fine
to me. Agree on your assessment of the Dia Compe 980s.

Patrick Moore asked about the 980s: setup is no easier or more difficult
than other cantis I've used (Paul, Shimano); silver finish! No squeal with
Kool Stop pads.
The only negative I've experienced is that the fine adjustment isn't as
effective as I would prefer. I still like 'em though!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 12:11 AM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> You've nailed it. The tires are 35mm tubeless Bon Jon Pass' Extra Lights.
> I have nothing but good things to say about them thus far, I just wish I
> wasn't feeling so darn gothic when I got the black sidewalls, I think tan
> sidewalls would've really complimented the "paint." The powder coating was
> done locally by Powder Tech Services and I'd give them a solid B+. They by
> no means specialize in bike frames and the amount of masking they did
> correctly blew me away, and it only ran me $140. And you are correct, that
> is indeed an Ass Saver: there to do the bare minimum in rain / mud
> protection. As far as the brakes go, they are the Dia Compe 980's that
> Rivendell sells. So far they're my favorite canti's. Paul's are stronger
> but they're also way grabbier which I don't really need for the terrain I
> mostly see. The aesthetics of the Dia Compe's is also a selling point
> especially for lugged frames IMO, AND half the price of the way fancier
> Rene Herse ones which I will just have to drool over via a computer
> screen.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 6:23:43 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Your eyes or your screen are better than mine; I can't read the fine
>> print.
>>
>> I thought that the back flap device might be an a** *aver but was too
>> polite to say so.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 5:21 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and forgive my language, but the rear protruding black thingie is
>>> labeled "Ass Saver," so a demi-fender, crud-catcher device.
>>>
>>> Can't ID the cantis, I've seen 'em before, but...look wide profile, and
>>> also look to have a nice, longish slot for wide-range brake shoe height
>>> adjustment.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 5:38:29 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Very nice!

 What are those tires, and (as someone who after 2 decades installed
 cantilevers on a new frame), what are the brakes?

 And, what is that black thing sticking out behind the saddle just above
 the reflective triangle?

 Ten thousand bonus points for that light bracket!

 On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:58 PM Andrew Turner 
 wrote:

> DRIVE SIDE UPDATE!
> After I had the frame modified, I was running it raw until a cringey
> ride on salty roads convinced me to get it powder coated. Here's the final
> build! Thanks again Reid. Still loving it.
> [image: 01_23_21_A.jpg]
>
> my favorite detail is the SimWorks stem cap:
>
> [image: 01_23_21_B.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote:
>
>> How much lighter is a Roadeo? My 56cm Ram was Frame=4.8lb, fork =
>> 1.7lb on my fishing scale.
>>
>> -Dave J
>>
>> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:33:47 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> The Roadeo frame is much lighter than the Ram's. Definitely not
>>> equivalent.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 2:28:05 PM UTC-4, Tirebiter ATX wrote:

 Not being familiar with the Rambouillet, I went searching for
 info.  One reviewer thought the Rambo was the early equivalent of 
 today’s
 Roadeo.  Do you think this is the case?
 Thanks!

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 5:16 AM Surlyprof 
 wrote:

>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/pb0nSlJHVn0
>
> Would you fit a 60 Rambouillet?  John’s looks like a great deal.
>
> John
> Niles, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Ride

[R Shannon]

Bill,

Haven't seen your Hillborne in a long time. It's looking good.

Best,
Rich in ATL - with no snow to navigate:-(

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 3:07 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I took a much less snowy winter ride in the California Gold Country on
> Saturday.  This was at the middling elevation where we usually see snow
> every winter, and it hides in the shady corners but it does not usually
> stick around and pile up deep (~4200ft).  I headed up the hill towards
> Dorrington and stopped where the pavement ends, and did the rest of my ride
> down the hill.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> Arnold Ca
>
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 4:48:06 AM UTC-8 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for kind comments, and I am glad that you enjoyed reading.
>> I wish you all great riding experiences in 2021!
>>
>> It hasn't snowed very much around here until the end of the year, but it
>> snowed pretty much from New Year's Eve to New Year's day, so I thought it
>> would be fun to ride around on snow.
>>
>> I live near the post town of Suhara along Nakasendo Ancient Route. A
>> 5-minute ride takes me to a place where I can overlook Suhara.
>>
>> [image: newyear1.JPG]
>>
>> And then I went to Atera River. The river is famous for emerald-green
>> water, but the water didn't look that beautiful this day because it was
>> cloudy and dark.
>> The road along the river was not cleared of snow, so I was sweating hard,
>> and I had to make U-turn after riding for about a mile.
>>
>> [image: newyear2.JPG]
>>
>> [image: newyear3.JPG]
>>
>> Icicles were making interesting patterns along the road. This picture
>> looks somewhat like an abstract painting.
>>
>> [image: newyear4.JPG]
>>
>> After all those fun on snow, this is what I got:
>>
>> [image: newyear5.JPG]
>>
>> Thank you for reading!
>> Takashi
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3,000 miles in 2020

[R Shannon]

Leah is our own Ms. Cool(s).

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to climb way out on a limb, saw in hand, and make a prediction:  
> as Leah continues to hammer out the miles, she'll eventually find that she 
> wants a road bike, drop bars and all.  And she'll be riding just like that 
> Ms. Cools in those Henry Wildeberry YouTube videos.
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 8:46:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Thank you, Andy, those were really touching words. I’m really grateful to 
>> have a place I can share these stories with like-minded people.
>> Leah
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:41 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
 
>>> Between mourning a lost loved one and channelling the grief into personal 
>>> accomplishment, you earn most heartfelt sympathy, deepest respect and 
>>> recognition. A good job Leah. You set an example for your family and all of 
>>> us. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> 
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 2:14:34 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
> Echoing congrats on accomplishing the 3000 mile goal as well as heartfelt 
> sympathies on the loss of your Dad.
> 
> So difficult!
> 
> I still recall the phone call in  2004 from my wife during my attempted 
> crossing of the USA on a bicycle tour that my Dad had passed at age 75. 
> 
> Paul in Dallas 
> Mercy, I'm only 5 years from that age!
> But also have 2400 miles cycling for the year
> and my Dad never exercised.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[R Shannon]

Ulysses, that is one mighty fine Bleriot. Congratulations and well done!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Ulysses O  wrote:
> 
> 
> <7BCEDF01-AA76-4285-90C9-63FDA9EC76A8.jpeg>
> 
> Bought this from a member here. Very happy with the fit and ride quality 
> considering I’ve never seen or test ridden one. Took a few months to paint 
> and build, worth the wait 珞
> 
> Anyone have a small Fabio’s Waxed Chest they wanna sell lol ?? I know they 
> just launched it but I missed the launch cuz I was riding my bike 臘
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 1:25:41 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Looks awesome, Lucky!  I love the look of those tires (Simworks' branding is 
>> such a breath of fresh air in the bike world, totally unique and fun) and 
>> have heard they're grippy but certainly a bit slow on pavement.  I might try 
>> them on my Bombadil one day if I find myself riding enough dirt to justify 
>> it.  
>> 
>> Tomorrow I intend to have some pics of the new steed with bags when I try to 
>> ride up to the snow line (around 800m, I believe, I'm at sea level) for 
>> coffeeneuring. tbd! 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[R Shannon]

Joel,

I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference between the 
two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have identical 
setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale). It also feels a 
touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.

>From the last Riv catalog:
“Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but the Sam 
and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”

Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or ride dirt 
now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”

Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel free 
to ask.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
> 
> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same TT 
>> slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing is 
>> now the same.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or AHH. 
>>> This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and 
>>> some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>>> 
>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>> 
>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
>>> appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[R Shannon]

Any questions on color, just ask Roberta:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Green and orange it is.
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ray Varella  wrote:
>> Patrick,
>> I actually think orange looks great with green. 
>> I’m waiting for a frame to get repainted an olive/sage green and orange is 
>> my top choice for tape. 
>> Here’s a pic of Gabby to give you an idea. 
>>> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> After deciding that I do after all like Molteni Orange as a frame color, I 
>>> jumped on a list offer for a NIP lot of orange bar tape, which leaves me 
>>> wondering just what I will do with it.
>>> 
>>> I might install it on the (eventual) orange Libertas, but that might be too 
>>> much of an orange thing, right? What do y'all think?
>>> 
>>> Or I might install it on the Ford Blue 1999 Joe Starck gofast; see bike 
>>> with very-nicely matching blue tape, below -- this blue Lizard Skins is 
>>> getting work to point of replacement.
>>> 
>>> I don't think -- correct me? -- that Orange would go well with sage green 
>>> ...? Also shown below.
>>> 
>>> I don't have to put it on something right away; just curious, since several 
>>> bikes are coming up for various reasons for retaping.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

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Joe,

That’s a gorgeous saddle. Looks good on your bike.

Is there a name or mfg. number for the blue-gray paint? I like it. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> "That is a nice bike. Looks weird but wonderful!"
> 
> Hehe, weird but wonderful is my jam! Earlier in this thread Leah (our Bicycle 
> Belle Ding Ding) said "It’s lovely and so very different from the norm, which 
> makes me like it extra." I accept these appraisals! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

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Andy,

As a Sam Hillborne and Waterford built Atlantis owner, I can't discern a
difference in the nicely done paint, brazing or general appearance on
either one.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:55 PM Andy Beichler 
wrote:

> I am curious about the finish of a Sam Hillborne.  I lucked into a 1984
> Paramount Touring a year or so ago and got my first up close view of what a
> high end frame looks like.  The finish on it is top notch.  The lug lines
> are very clean.  No stray file marks or tiny drips of brass (silver?).  The
> connection where the seat and chain stays join the drop out are fantastic.
> There is no evidence of a plug on the end of it.  I don't necessarily
> expect the same level of finish on a Sam Hillborne as I expect on a much
> more expensive bike, but I would like to think the finish is better than I
> would find on a Soma or Schwinn.  What is the finish on a Sam Hillborne
> like?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[R Shannon]

. . .or 34-inches

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Aug 12, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> If a 34cm PBH is needed to fit this bicycle, you may want to try asking at 
> the little boys and girls table. Unless maybe you were actually thinking 84cm?
> 
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>> Jeffrey,
>> 
>> If you are interested I have a 56cm Sam Hillborne twin-top-tube frame/fork 
>> set I'm eventually going to get around to selling. Also have most of the 
>> parts to build it up into a finished bicycle.
>> 
>> You probably need a 34cm PBH to fit on this frame, if it's of interest.
>> 
>> Best, Paul
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:06:23 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>> Jeffrey,
>>> 
>>> As a current Sam owner for five years and before that a Cross Check owner, 
>>> the Sam wins hands down for the same reasons others have given here. If you 
>>> don't feel the bike will be secure locked up at your place of employment, 
>>> then by all means keep the CC as a commuter and the Sam for other rides and 
>>> short tours.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
 Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
 Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
 Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
 commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
 advance!
 
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Re: [RBW] Bike shorts/ Liners

[R Shannon]

Joel,

Currently using Garneau Fit Sensor 2.
So far so good.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Jul 29, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Joel Stern  wrote:
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> 
> Thanks Rich, those longer rides are in my past for now but who knows what the 
> future will bring.  Di you know the model name that you like? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:09 AM RichS  wrote:
>> Joel,
>> 
>> For rides under 50 miles I like the Zoic padded spandex liner under Riv MUSA 
>> shorts. For longer rides my aging sit bones prefer a more padded spandex 
>> short.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Bruce,

Yes, thought you were referring to the SH. Of course now the MIT Homer is
the economy version of the previous MUSA version!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 6:13 PM Bruce Herbitter 
wrote:

> Typo of course. I meant to type “Hillborne” was the economy version of
> Homer.
>
> How many figured that out?
>
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> On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Erik Wright  wrote:
>
> I've very curious to see the geo of the upcoming run of Sams. To your
> point, Homer and Sam are both MIT and I'm curious if geo will be the
> differentiating factor (Sam keeping the "short" chainstays) or if they'll
> be like MIT Atlantis / Joe A where the differences are negligible. Honestly
> I'm just wondering if Grant was worn down by all the bemoaning over long
> chainstays and chose to keep the Sams as-is (or as-was). I think I'd be
> surprised to see a 2020 Sam without lengthened chainstays.
>
> Here's a photo of my Roadini as it sits in the office this morning. I
> swapped in the Dia Compe downtubers this morning before my ride to work and
> am still experimenting with stem length, hence the nude bars.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.
>>   Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light
>> to medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.
>> Now both are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional
>> detail from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar
>> comments. Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own
>> both (swap my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to
>> more of a touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up
>> against "Road+" type bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all
>> bags removed.. heh)
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>>>
>>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based
>>> on past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini
>>> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and
>>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam
>>> have identical builds and geometry.
>>>
>>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it
>>> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the
>>> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>>>
>>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal
>>> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:

 Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam
 comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but
 never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often
 ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt
 for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is
 sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike.

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> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. 
> i
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Erik,

I'm guessing your Roadini could fill the road +niche? But if you intend to
have it as your minimal, light as you can make it rider then Homer (650b?)
slotted in between Roadini/Sam would be very doable.

Yesterday saw my first encounter with a Roadini. As we approached each
other, on a path, I recognized it as a grilver Roadini and hollered at the
rider and asked him to stop so I could take a look.
You show me your Roadini and I'll show you my Homer:-) He was kind enough
to stop and chat for a few minutes (while observing proper distance). I was
impressed with the frame; much nicer in the "flesh" than in pictures. And
the components he used were well considered. All in all a handsome bike. If
not for Covid I would have asked him to swap bikes for a quick test ride.

As a bonus, while we were stopped, a double top tube orange Hillborne rode
by. Randomly seeing two Rivs in the wild in the span of a few minutes was a
first for me.

Cool that you are using the dt shifter bosses - for shifters and not cable
stops. Hope you enjoy your Roadini and thanks for posting the pic.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Erik Wright  wrote:

> I've very curious to see the geo of the upcoming run of Sams. To your
> point, Homer and Sam are both MIT and I'm curious if geo will be the
> differentiating factor (Sam keeping the "short" chainstays) or if they'll
> be like MIT Atlantis / Joe A where the differences are negligible. Honestly
> I'm just wondering if Grant was worn down by all the bemoaning over long
> chainstays and chose to keep the Sams as-is (or as-was). I think I'd be
> surprised to see a 2020 Sam without lengthened chainstays.
>
> Here's a photo of my Roadini as it sits in the office this morning. I
> swapped in the Dia Compe downtubers this morning before my ride to work and
> am still experimenting with stem length, hence the nude bars.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.
>>   Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light
>> to medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.
>> Now both are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional
>> detail from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar
>> comments. Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own
>> both (swap my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to
>> more of a touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up
>> against "Road+" type bikes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all
>> bags removed.. heh)
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason,
>>>
>>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>>>
>>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based
>>> on past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini
>>> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and
>>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam
>>> have identical builds and geometry.
>>>
>>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it
>>> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the
>>> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>>>
>>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal
>>> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:

 Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam
 comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but
 never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often
 ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt
 for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is
 sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike.

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> your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. 
> i
> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Website is live featuring beautiful bikes & surroundings

[R Shannon]

Thanks for that assessment Andrew.
Looking at images of both bikes, but having ridden neither one, it seems about 
right.

Reminds me of the difference between my Homer and Sam.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Jul 26, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Andrew Turner  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[R Shannon]

Zack,

Your question refers to the Homer.
Mine checks all the boxes. Did a 46 mile ride on it yesterday in 90 degree temp.
Ride quality: Smooth as silk. 
Luxury: As far as appearance goes -It’s a looker for sure.
Speed: How fast do you need to go?

Best,
Rich in ATL



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> On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Zack Medow  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jason, when you say luxury, are you just referring to the aesthetics of also 
> the ride quality. 
> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> The XO-1 is a very cool collector item, but I'll come right out and say it: 
>> it is overpriced for its ride quality, due to its collector status. For a 
>> Sunday driver I think it's a great bike but for an everyday, long distance 
>> road bike, the Roadini has another 30 years of Grant's experience built into 
>> it despite the modest TIG welds.  I would also consider the Homer, if you 
>> don't mind giving up a little bit of speed for a whole lot of luxury.  
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[R Shannon]

Yes, I have similar dreams about swapping this part or that part on whichever 
bike or a custom or a. . .

It never stops does it?

Keep on dreaming!
Rich in ATL

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> Interesting info Rich, now you've got me dreaming about swapping my Sam bits 
> onto a Homer and rebuilding the Sam as an upright bike. I use the Sam for 
> long distance road riding a lot, with light loads. I know the frame is overly 
> stout for that job, but it still goes pretty well!  I'll also point it down 
> some fairly rough trails too, though.  
> 
>> On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 at 07:42:29 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>> Zack,
>> 
>> No experience with a Roadini but a synopsis of 
>> my current Rivs:
>> 
>> MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on past 
>> observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini frames 
>> weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and 
>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam 
>> have identical builds and geometry.
>> 
>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it more 
>> akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the Atlantis 
>> are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>> 
>> MUSA Atlantis - Size 53 with 26" wheels. The Atlantis is in a class by 
>> itself with the smaller wheels, less slack geometry, the term "planted" 
>> comes to mind, and likely different tubing from the Sam.
>> 
>> Whichever Riv you decide on, you can't go wrong.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

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Jason,

Thank you for the info. Nice work reshaping the fenders to fit 26” wheels. 
Tedious work!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> 
> Cheers Rich, the XO is running on 26x1.25 Pasela's and VO 650B 50mm 
> 'snakeskin' fenders that I've managed to squeeze down to fit the 26" pretty 
> closely.  They are also available in 26" but these were hand-me-downs. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 at 06:57:34 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>> Jason,
>> 
>> You have a good trio of bikes. Your riding needs would appear to be well 
>> covered.
>> 
>> What is the wheel size on your XO-1? VO fenders? Thanks!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Jason,

You have a good trio of bikes. Your riding needs would appear to be well
covered.

What is the wheel size on your XO-1? VO fenders? Thanks!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> Here is my trio at present - the Hillborne got out for a nice loop
> yesterday, my Clem is now on Rat Traps in endurance casing, and my XO-1 is
> now set up as a quick city bike (with temp pedals and chainring)
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Re: [RBW] Re: 559 X 42-46 mm tires -- suggestions?

[R Shannon]

Patrick,

This won’t help you at the moment but I did spring for the 26x1.8 NP and 
received them a few days ago. I’ll report back when I get them mounted and 
rolling. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> Thanks, all. I have a used Pasela that measured 41.23 mm on my 21 mm rim at 
> about 40 psi.
> 
> I guess the question comes down to: Is it worth spending for Paselas, only to 
> up and spend more on the Nachez Passes? So, next question: Have any of you 
> used both of these, that is the ~40 mm Pasela and the Nachez Pass; and how 
> much noticeably better (I emphasize "notice") is the NP?
> 
> Anyway, the Elk Passes rolled wonderfully on the bikes inaugural ride just 
> now.
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Congratulations Adam. Hope you enjoy it.  I’m very happy with mine.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Adam Leibow  wrote:
> 
> 
> here's a similarly bad photo of my new MIT homer, which i bought a few weeks 
> ago. loving it so far
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[R Shannon]

To Bruce's point, the Charlie Gallop looks more refined and will have a
ride to match. Love Charlie's graceful fork.

Abe, thanks for the visual comparisons.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually
> made more cheaply and at a lower price point.
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell <
> bdcampbel...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> VO is offering something similar:
>
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html
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> Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[R Shannon]

Sage is such a versatile color. Much like the gray on Joe’s custom:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> 
> I'm with Joe. The sage was my favorite Sam color. I think they look great 
> with black bits.
> 
>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 1:14:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> My impression is it's a previous Sam color. Sage Green wasn't real popular 
>> but the Riv crew loved it (me, too)..my guess is they'll give it another run.
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Re: [RBW] FS: Fatty Rumpkin Tires

[R Shannon]

Price drop on the Rumpkins to $55 shipped.

Thanks very much,
Rich in ATL

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> On May 10, 2020, at 3:49 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Green (light) model. Folding bead. 650b x 41 (measured exactly 41on Synergy 
> rims); mounted easily!
> Bought these from Riv to replace 38s on my Sam but 38 is still the optimal 
> width for me.
> Ridden 10-12 miles to test them out. Asking $85 (shipped) for the pair.
> 
> Thanks very much,
> Rich in ATL
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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That’s a useful SimpleOne. Maxed out. Well done!

Nicely color coordinated with the background.

Best,
Rich in ATL 

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> On May 17, 2020, at 11:46 AM, j.schwartz  wrote:
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> Farmers Market Run
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mercian Vincitore

[R Shannon]

Ray,

Here is the explanation from Mercian.
https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/craftmanship/paint/

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:52 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> Can anyone explain what exactly “stove enamel” is and how it differs from
> paint?
>
> Is it just a form of enamel that hardens better by baking?
>
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

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Ditto Patrick. My experience as well.
Ringing my Crane hammer strike bell but they ain’t moving!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> 
> My own experience is that unless your bell is very loud -- the very large 
> brass striker bells that Riv sells or used to sell -- and rung early and rung 
> often, a surprising number of recreation path pedestrians either won't hear 
> or won't register what they hear. I have switched to Spurcycle bells; these 
> aren't as loud, though they are more piercing, and I very often have to 
> augment the bell with a "Cyclist behind you!!" yelled in a courteous, 
> comforting manner, of course. Heck, I've had oncoming pedestrians walk toward 
> me on my side of the road (right side in the US) and not see me approaching 
> until I am 25 yards away, and yell, "Heads UP!" or slam on the brakes and 
> skid the rear tire. So it's less the volume than the type of sound; many 
> recreational walkers and cyclists seem to take for granted that they can 
> wholly tune out when they are off urban thoroughfares and out of their cars. 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:57 PM masmojo  wrote:
>> Yes, I find that bells are more effective and "friendly" than yelling. The 
>> thing I notice about bell's is even if you ring it a wayz before you get to 
>> people they may not register hearing it, but then suddenly it gets through 
>> to their subconscious or something & the move out of the way.
>> 
>> Too many people with headphones or airpods these days & they can be so small 
>> that you can't tell if the have them or not, so I just assume they do to be 
>> safe.
>> 
>> Rode to the post office 
>> 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XdDj673t8isHNzRe9
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>> Titanium Crust Evasion.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Stories

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Leah,

Watch out for the road turtles even in dry weather! The ones in my neck of the 
woods are pretty robust. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> I have loved this thread; it really has been so instructive and also - 
> please don’t take offense - entertaining. 
> 
> I now have a name for those yellow things in the road (“road turtles”) and 
> know that I should never get near them in the rain. I will never, ever race 
> my best friend lest she turn her bike in front of me and send me flying. I 
> will certainly never attempt a wheelie. 
> 
> In all seriousness, these stories as well as the COVID pandemic have made me 
> more careful - now is not a good time to need a hospital. I usually ride 
> helmet-free but I’ve been wearing one more often just as an extra layer of 
> safety. Helmets come with certain annoyances, particularly for women, and 
> because I can’t ever just be serious, I catalogued it in the video below. 
> 
> I don’t have a crash story to contribute, but what I have I give to you. 
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>>> On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:46 AM, SurlyProf  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Reading about all of these injuries and browsing X-rays makes me realize how 
>> lucky I've been in my 45-50 years of riding a bike.  In all that time, I've 
>> only been in 3 crashes (all, of course, involving cars with clueless 
>> drivers). 
>> 
>> In the '80's, I bought my first really nice "Italian" bike at a sidewalk 
>> sale in Huntington Beach (1/2 price!).  I'd been out of college for a year 
>> or so and hadn't owned a bike since my last one was stolen freshman year.  
>> It was an '86 Bertoni Corsa Mondiale in metallic lavender (in Italian they 
>> called it, "God-awful purple").  Loved that bike but thought it might have 
>> been cursed.  Within a month or two I had two crashes in the same weekend!  
>> The first happened as I was riding down in the Newport/Balboa area.  I was 
>> probably cruising at 25+ mph when I was passed by a van.  The van barely 
>> went another city block when it took a right turn in front of me.  I hit the 
>> brakes and slid the bike sideways like I was doing a hockey stop.  I must 
>> have hit the side of that van at 10 mph.  The whole incident seemed to 
>> happen in slow motion.  I even remember the fear in the elderly woman's face 
>> as I slammed into the van right next to her.  Looked like a couple driving 
>> their in-laws around the area.  I'm sure this incident made an impression as 
>> I did given the huge Wile E. Coyote-shaped dent I put in their side.  They 
>> slowed and saw that I was still on the bike and, I guess, assumed I was OK 
>> and drove off.  I quickly unclipped and put a foot down and then heard the 
>> lunchtime host at the restaurant on the corner where it happen say (in a 
>> fantastic Jeff Spicolli voice), "Du-u-u-de... I can't believe you stayed on 
>> the bike!"
>> 
>> The next day I went out for an easy ride to loosen up my severely bruised 
>> hip and shoulder and was right-hooked by a pick up truck.  That time, I was 
>> not so lucky.  I flew over the handlebars onto the pavement as I heard the 
>> squealing of tires as they tore off.  My rear wheel was completely taco-ed 
>> which I didn't bother repairing for at least a month since I thought the 
>> bike was cursed.  Fortunately, because of the previous day's accident, I was 
>> wearing a helmet that second day.  Could've been a lot worse. 
>> 
>> I loved that bike and kept it for another 25+ years.  Wish I'd held on to it 
>> for riding Eroica.  Still had all the original Shimano 600 gruppo 
>> (obligatory bike-geek statement).
>> 
>> John 
>> Niles, CA
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:40:10 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> On a recent thread, we veered off topic things that might cause crashes. 
>>> Stories began pouring in, and they were fascinating and useful. I think we 
>>> should have a new thread here where you can contribute your experiences and 
>>> the rest of us can learn a thing or two. For instance, I didn’t know a 
>>> fender unsecured at the seat stay could cause a crash and now I do. I’ll be 
>>> fixing mine forthwith! 
>>> 
>>> I feel fortunate not to have any stories to contribute here, but please 
>>> share yours with us. Some of them might even be funny. (We’ll be laughing 
>>> WITH you.) 
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Welcome to the group Isaac! Your Homer is a beauty.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:51 PM Isaac  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This is my first post. I’ve been reading the Google group for a while and
> very much appreciate the information and photos of such wonderful bikes.
> This is my  A. Homer Hilsen newly set up with a Crust towel rack bar.  I
> took a short tour with the bikes set up with a Wavie bar and liked that as
> well but my other bikes all have flatfish bars so I'm giving the towel rack
> a shot and for the time being I'm done tweaking, it feels wonderful.
>
> Happy riding and best wishes to you all,
> Isaac
>
> (apologies if this comes through as a double post, I don't think it went
> through the first time)
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 4:41:14 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>> Attached find a pair of Rivs (and their owners) on a bright and chilly
>> day - me and my trusty Hunq and my wife on her maiden Cheviot voyage, after
>> I spent way too long building it up... She likes it!
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingam, WA
>>
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your
>>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love
>>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Beautiful day, beautiful bike. Oozing style and comfort! Always nice to see
your custom.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 2:24 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> A beautiful day yesterday in the Golden Gate National Recreation Area.
> I'm afraid it will not rain again in the SF Bay Area until November.
>
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Glad you’re riding a stable, well handling Riv!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Feb 9, 2020, at 8:12 AM, John Rinker  wrote:
> 
> 
> Super sketchy bridges are ubiquitous throughout Nepal.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 1:14:13 AM UTC+5:45, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

David,

You’re a good dad. I’m sure your son was grateful. Nice looking Clem too!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:26 PM, David Bivins  wrote:
> 
> 
> Kid forgot his homework yesterday, which at this age is "if you can't 
> remember to pack it, you suffer the consequences," except I hadn't been on my 
> Clem for a few days, so I rode the homework to school for him :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 3:20 PM Reid Echols  wrote:
>> Had a great time rambling all over sunny Austin this Saturday with the 
>> Quickbeam! 
>> 
>> 
>> Reid in Austin
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Toshi and Brian:

A pair of gorgeous machines. I’m green with envy:-)))

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
> 
> 
> I put fenders on my Legolas (Portland Design Works) for winter riding.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 8:20:25 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>> A couple pics of my bike from last weekend's SF Randonneurs Populaire ride.  
>> Lots of Rivs were sighted including an Atlantis, Rambouilet, and a Hubbuh 
>> Hubbuh tandem bike!
>> 
>> Toshi in Oakland
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Re: [RBW] 2019 stats? Post'em if ya got'em

[R Shannon]

Kai, I'm so sorry about your injury. May you have a speedy recovery without
any complications or long term negative effects!

My daughter lives in Brooklyn so I'm familiar with your riding environment.
Almost five thousand miles in 2019 primarily on the streets of NYC is
definitely well earned! Enviable? Yes. Kudos to you!!!

Best wishes,
- Rich in ATL

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 7:02 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Strava, which I try to use most of the time says 4638 miles for the year,
> so around 5 g's with some nondigitized rolls. Unfortunately cut short due
> to a majorly mashed right clavicle on November 27th, necessitating 8 screws
> and a titanium collarbone lug/splint. Minus a long day with the 25th
> anniversary Riv ride crew and some Northern Bronx routes, my miles were
> accrued on the streets of NYC, so maybe not always enviable but well earned
> miles nonetheless...
>
> Not enjoying my subway commute/looking forward to the go ahead from my
> bone doctor (February maybe?)
> -Kai
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Thanks all for taking time to provide the additional info on your rides. My 
rides to do list keeps growing. Natchez Trace route is near the top.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Dec 8, 2019, at 5:19 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wyatt, Rich & R Shannon,
> 
> Just to add another wrinkle, here is how we three (traveling from Richmond, 
> Va.) decided to handle the transport:
> 
> We drove one vehicle with bike rack for the three bikes down to Nashville and 
> spent the night in an inexpensive motel. We had purchased a $50 second-hand 
> rack to fit the back of the hatchback on a rental van. (Most are about the 
> same now, ours turned out to be a new Dodge. The rental places will usually 
> give you a range of possible vehicles brands.) We chose a motel near the 
> rental place in Nashville and had asked permission in advance to leave our 
> vehicle there, which was acceptable.
> 
> We loaded the van with our gear, installed the simple hatch rack and bikes 
> and drove to Natchez. We had checked beforehand about having a drop-off 
> location in Natchez and there was a small place, which suited us just fine. 
> We gifted the $50 rack to a young mother working there who said she could use 
> it for her kids, loaded the gear on the bikes and rode the few miles to the 
> start of the Trace and began our ride in late afternoon. We camped at the 
> first site available that night. 
> 
> After arriving back in Nashville, two of us stayed at the Loveless Motel 
> restaurant after eating their great barbecue, while the designated driver 
> called for an Uber to take him to pick up his vehicle. He drove back to us, 
> we loaded the bikes and spent the night in a motel on the other side of 
> Nashville. Drove back to Richmond the next day.
> 
> While all that took some planning, it worked like a charm for us and was the 
> main reason to ride from South-to-North. 
> 
> I hope this helps you plan your trip. It is something of a one-off for us, 
> but I would not mind going back if we could plan it the other way around and 
> perhaps make some more stops, perhaps at Vicksburg, etc.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wyatt 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2019 12:05 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
> 
> Rich - I talked my girlfriend into dropping me off in Nashville (we got an 
> AirBnB not far from the trace the night before I left). We met back up in 
> Natchez where a few of our friends live. I did the ride in 5 days, which is 
> about as many nights in a row that I want to camp these days. Plenty of good 
> quiet places to hang a hammock, didn't seem to really matter if they were 
> designated as "camp sites" or not. Would have been happy to add a night and 
> break it up with a log cabin stay in French Camp, in retrospect. I realize 
> that's not much of a tip in terms of accommodations, but it is a convenient 
> arrangement if you can swing it... 
> 
> Paul - nice pics, looks like a fun crew. I rode right past French Camp 
> thinking I might regret that decision and now I really do!
> 
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:51:39 AM UTC+8, RichS wrote:
>> Paul, thank you for the info and pics.
>> Looks like an enjoyable ride both visually and historically.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:56 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> R Shannon,
>> 
>> If interested, here is a Flickr album + two, that I put together from a 
>> March, 2018 Trace trip from Natchez to Nashville with two buddies:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 72157690091752920
>> 
>> "Local Color":  https://www.flickr.com/ photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 
>> 72157695163021394
>> 
>> Historical Markers, etc.":  https://www.flickr.com/ 
>> photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/ 72157690092078560
>> 
>> The three of us did not explore stop at Tishomingo State Park, or the creeks 
>> and waterfalls like Wyatt did, but did camp most of the way, except for a 
>> storm in Tupelo and a delightful stay in a log cabin at French Camp, MS - 
>> highly recommended! Spring or Fall are definitely recommended. We chose 
>> south-to-north to "follow" the emerging spring weather. Apparently the 
>> Spring can be more volatile (tornadoes) though. We saw evidence of that from 
>> two weeks before in southern Miss.
>> 
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, VA
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: R Shannon 
>> To: : 
>> Sent: Sat, Dec 7,

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Paul, thank you for the info and pics.
Looks like an enjoyable ride both visually and historically.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:56 PM, 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> R Shannon,
> 
> If interested, here is a Flickr album + two, that I put together from a 
> March, 2018 Trace trip from Natchez to Nashville with two buddies:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690091752920
> 
> "Local Color":  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157695163021394
> 
> Historical Markers, etc.":  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157690092078560
> 
> The three of us did not explore stop at Tishomingo State Park, or the creeks 
> and waterfalls like Wyatt did, but did camp most of the way, except for a 
> storm in Tupelo and a delightful stay in a log cabin at French Camp, MS - 
> highly recommended! Spring or Fall are definitely recommended. We chose 
> south-to-north to "follow" the emerging spring weather. Apparently the Spring 
> can be more volatile (tornadoes) though. We saw evidence of that from two 
> weeks before in southern Miss.
> 
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, VA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: R Shannon 
> To: : 
> Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2019 11:21 am
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv
> 
> Wyatt,
> 
> Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.
> Fall would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.
> 
> How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
>> Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding 
>> and just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or 
>> waterfall to cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth taking 
>> it slow. Don't miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back of 
>> Tishomingo State Park, especially because it leads to the last good creek on 
>> the route. Around Tupelo, you hit the mosquito line and the bugs start 
>> coming out in thick black clouds ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. 
>> Definitely take the bike path detour off the Trace that passes through 
>> Jackson, not only does it get you out of bad traffic, but it's also just a 
>> nice ride. The last 125 miles or so are hot and mostly flat and good for a 
>> fast finish if you have it in you. (I was ready for it to be over.) I'd do 
>> it again, but probably in the late fall. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:54:02 AM UTC+8, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>> Wyatt, 
>>What touring on the Trace like? I’ve been thinking about that trip for 
>> ages. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>>  T.J.
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Wyatt,

Thanks for that description. I have also contemplated doing the trail.
Fall would also be my choice for best time to do the ride.

How long did your trip take and what did you do for accommodations?

Thank you!

Best,
Rich in ATL


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> On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Wyatt  wrote:
> 
> 
> Tim: I enjoyed it, especially the stretch from Nashville down to about 
> Tishomingo State Park in Mississippi. That's the hilliest section of riding 
> and just about every 15 or 20 miles there is another clear creek or waterfall 
> to cool off in. Lots of trees, great hammock camping, worth taking it slow. 
> Don't miss the old CCC swinging bridge hidden at the back of Tishomingo State 
> Park, especially because it leads to the last good creek on the route. Around 
> Tupelo, you hit the mosquito line and the bugs start coming out in thick 
> black clouds ready to eat you alive. Be prepared. Definitely take the bike 
> path detour off the Trace that passes through Jackson, not only does it get 
> you out of bad traffic, but it's also just a nice ride. The last 125 miles or 
> so are hot and mostly flat and good for a fast finish if you have it in you. 
> (I was ready for it to be over.) I'd do it again, but probably in the late 
> fall. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:54:02 AM UTC+8, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>> Wyatt, 
>>What touring on the Trace like? I’ve been thinking about that trip for 
>> ages. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>>  T.J.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Comet Trail Extension

[R Shannon]

George, I didn't make it to Porchfest even though I live nearby. There are
a few Riv owners in the Oakhurst, Kirkwood, Decatur area. Always an event
to see one! Encountered a fellow last week riding a stunning custom painted
new Roadeo.

Best,
Rich in ATL



On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 10:06 AM George Rosselle 
wrote:

> I do not know, but sure would like to. I suspect a phone call would
> provide the answer.
>
> Were you riding at porchfest in Kirkwood yesterday? I think I saw a Riv
> pass while we were walking around and was curious if it was anyone from
> here.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 9:41:33 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>>
>> George, this is good to know. Thank you for checking the Amtrak site.
>> Does the bike need to be boxed?
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
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>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 9:05 AM, George Rosselle  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> The Amtrak website shows bikes are allowed if space is available. You can
>> add it to your reservation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 7:17:01 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
>>>
>>> I've taken the Crescent from Atlanta to NOLA and back, and they told me
>>> they allowed bikes.
>>> Caveat: I asked only one Amtrak person.  So double-check before you show
>>> up at the station with a bike.
>>> This was 2018, when the Crescent still had a dining car.  Sigh.
>>> You're right.  It would be a wonderful 'back to Atlanta' ride.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Comet Trail Extension

[R Shannon]

George, this is good to know. Thank you for checking the Amtrak site.
Does the bike need to be boxed?

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Oct 12, 2019, at 9:05 AM, George Rosselle  wrote:
> 
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> The Amtrak website shows bikes are allowed if space is available. You can add 
> it to your reservation.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Friday, October 11, 2019 at 7:17:01 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
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>> allowed bikes.
>> Caveat: I asked only one Amtrak person.  So double-check before you show up 
>> at the station with a bike.
>> This was 2018, when the Crescent still had a dining car.  Sigh.
>> You're right.  It would be a wonderful 'back to Atlanta' ride.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Comet Trail Extension

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Hi Bruce,

Will you be riding to Coots Lake? That looks like an hour or so drive from my 
house. Like to meet up with you there if that’s in your plan.

Best,
Rich in ATL


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> On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:44 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
> 
> Riders from Huntsville and Montgomery will start in Anniston on 10/19 at 
> 9:00 AM. Some will do te 30 miles to the state line and turn around for 60, 
> others will go to Coots Lake Rd (near Rockmart) for a 200K. I'll be on a Riv. 
>  Not sure which one just yet.  Shout out if you're in the area!
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Very, very nice! 

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Oct 10, 2019, at 6:57 PM, j.schwartz  wrote:
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> At Shaupeneak Ridge in Ulster County, New York.
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Such a nice image. Atlantis in it’s element. Looks like a memorable adventure. 
Enjoy!

Best,
Rich in ATL



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> On Aug 16, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
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> Climbing Richmond Peak, MT last month
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[R Shannon]

Nicely done! Love the colors.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Jul 15, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Wally Estrella  wrote:
> 
> Here's the RBW 25 Northeast patch that Ben has been working on w/ Walter from 
> Fallcreek Outfitters.  Ben asked me to post it up here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 9:31:20 PM UTC-4, Ben Obrien wrote:
>> we have a patch design in the works for the gathering too! 
>> 
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 5:43:56 PM UTC-4, DeeterDeeter wrote:
>>> Pic of Lil' Smokey dippin' a toe in at Lake Awosting a few years ago. 
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to it! Thanks Ben and everybody else for organizing!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:11:32 AM UTC-8, Wally Estrella wrote:
 Hey Folks:  
 
  
 
 Opening a new post on the RBW 25 'tis a gathering.  I'd love to attend the 
 west coast 'moot, but it's too far for this prancing pony.  How about a 
 northeast/east coast 'moot-up?
 
  
 
 I posted it on Instagram as well @wickedwoolly.  I think there are some 
 folks on here and over there, but not all are in both spots, thus this 
 post to reach out to get all Hobbits notified.
 
  
 
 Hit me up offline w/ your name/email/location, subject the email ‘Rivmoot 
 25’.  The initial thinking is a spring/summer ‘moot somewhere in Massland. 
  May also create a poll to gather a general consensus on date/location.   
 Make it a day event? Make it an S24O with some rides? Tear Isengard down? 
 What to do? What to do?
 
  
 
 In other east coast related news.  Punxsutawney Philbo Paggins has emerged 
 from his hole in the ground...it'll be an early spring with many more 
 years of riding on leather and RBW.
 
 
 
 CHEERS!
 
 Wally, further east of the Iron Hills, in Maine
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tange Cup & Cone Bottom Bracket

[R Shannon]

Thanks Doug. I will take a look.

Rich in ATL

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> On Jun 20, 2019, at 1:50 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> There's a long thread over on iBOB titled:  "Merry Sales reintroduces cup and 
> cone bottom brackets, Grant Petersen designed".  That one references IRD but 
> maybe the come out of the same shop with different labels.  Plenty of posts 
> pros & cons, plus the usual noise.  Give it an hour if you want to dig deeply.
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 9:29:14 AM UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>> In his last Blahg post Grant talks about the Tange BB Riv now carries. As 
>> one who enjoys the mechanical/maintenance time I spend on my bikes it got my 
>> attention. 
>> Worth the investment in tools and the BB to explore this? 
>> 
>> Thanks very much for your feedback.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Andy,

I’ve always liked your Ram. Nice parts on it too! Thanks for the detailed 
description.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Jun 16, 2019, at 8:20 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> I guess I'm late to this, been out riding. My Rambouillet, driveside with a 
> steel mill as a backdrop. USS Edgar Thompson Works across the Monongahela 
> River a the Braddock lock and dam. 
> <20160619_150525.jpg>
> 
> 
> I like this shot, but the Suntour XC Pro derailleurs are back in the drawer, 
> replaced with Mavic 841 body with 845 long cage rear derailleur and 860 front 
> derailleur. OEM TA Zephyr as a wide double on a shorter (SKF) BB. If I ever 
> find a Mavic 870 triple FD, I'll revert to a triple on the original Phil BB. 
> Long reach Shimano "groupless" calipers replaced with Paul Racers for best 
> clearance over 700 x 32s with fenders. ST Accushift bar ends replaced the 
> Shimano once I went friction full time, Velocity Synergy (OCD rear) 36° rims 
> on XT hubs, Nitto stem, bar and post. Despite loving care of my Brooks B 17 
> Special (copper/honey), I think it's on its last season.
> 
> 
> 
> In current local trading trim. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Out riding my Rambouillet in the woods along the Youghigheny River on the GAP 
> scouting for S24O sites with the friend we mentor. Carradice Nelson Longflap 
> and Bagman support are back there. Bad phot of my bike but I love the image. 
> It really conveys how I use my bike.
> 
> 
> 
> Rode this bike across the country starting on its second day with me in this 
> configuration. My primary ride all over my area in western PA and everywhere 
> I take it. Right rear dropout replaced after a break just behind the brazing 
> of the stay, painted by Joe Bell (again) seat stay bridge rebrazed last March 
> after it broke free, painted by me with an ivory insert panel on the stays 
> and bridge, $1200 to replicate the OEM finish going toward a new project.
> 
> 
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> 
> Pittsburgh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 2:29:13 PM UTC-5, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Matt, congratulations on your QB. Looks really good! I especially like the
black and green color scheme.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 3:44 PM Matt Beecher  wrote:

> I finally got a Quickbeam. Today was the first ride, along the Fox River.
> So far, I am thrilled.  The only planned changes are a bigger fixed gear,
> in case I ever need it, rotate the bar, and I might buy a larger freewheel.
>
> The crankset came with the frame. I purchased the wheelset and
> tires(35’s).  Everything else was out of the parts bin.
>
> I’m looking forward to tomorrow’s ride.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt B in Oswego, IL
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Karl, that’s a beauty. Good horse trading! Enjoy the ride:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Apr 24, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Karl  wrote:
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> Did a little horse trading over the winter with Sameness. Jeff, I finally got 
> her together (well actually I gave up on time, and let me local shop get her 
> all together!) First decent ride yesterday, and all I can dream about today 
> is taking her back out. Rivendell Road Custom in 59cm. Wish I could find 4 
> more Baggins bags like this one... 
> 
> Karl 
> Nashville, TN
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Kai,

Your Rosco is a fearsome looking ride. NYC roads? Hey, we ain't afraid of
nothin! Thanks for posting.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> I've been meaning to take some glamour shots of my Rosco Bubbe, but
> haven't. Anyhoo, yesterday I stopped by 718 cycles as an errand took me
> through their neighborhood and Joe of 718 took my bike aside for some shots
> while I checked out their beautiful goods. Here's a link to those pics on
> instagram, for those of you who instagram, or not, I think anyone can look-
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BwX7axcFpdq/
> -Kai
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Road Re-Build

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Ah, perfect! Both my Sam and Atlantis have a 10 1/2" drop.

- Rich

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bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rich the BB drop is not excessive on the Road so there is no pedal strike
> and also no toe overlap.  The BB heights of all my bikes are:
>
> Road: 10 5/16"  650B conversion
> Ram   10 1/2" This is factory not a conversion.
> Waterford RS-12  10 5/16"   650B conversion (although fork is designed as
> 650B)
> Nashbar Mk III   11 1/4"   (This was a crit racer frame)  650B conversion.
>
> Thanks for the kind words.
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2019, 12:21:25 PM CDT, RichS 
> wrote:
>
>
> Nicely done Bruce. Glad the ride and handling came together right out of
> the box! That's a great feeling.
> With the change to 650b wheels did you encounter pedal strike?
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Congratulations! 26” wheeled Atlantii handle so sweetly. Precise and 
unwavering. Very happy with my 53.

Best,
Rich in ATL



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> New-to-me 26" wheeled, 56cm Toyo Atlantis. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul, Nitto, Sackville, Sugino, Shimano

[R Shannon]

Rack is SOLD! Thank you very much.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:26 AM RichS  wrote:

> Front derailer is sold.
>
> Dropping the price on the R14 rack to $90 shipped.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Rich
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
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>> All items claimed EXCEPT:
>>
>> R14 Rack and Deore front derailer still available.
>>
>> Thanks to all who purchased the other pieces.
>> Will do my best to ship everything by end of this week.
>>
>> Best,
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Jeremy, your Ram is a beauty. Love the brilliant green with the hammered
fenders (nice work on the fender line too!).

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 2:29 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Here's my 64cm Rambouillet, purchased used last summer and recently
> converted to drop bars (Nitto M151). I'll try to get a picture of my CleMTB
> next time I ride it. Come check out both at my NAHBS get together and
> garage sale this weekend (info in another thread)!
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
> > hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Bill, your Joe App looks really sharp.
Glad you could be out for a ride on a sunny NY day.

That’s the new Cuomo Bridge in the background? No offense to the Cuomo family 
but I still prefer the Dutch sounding Tappan Zee.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Nice winter morning. Dry. Mid 20s F. Some icy patches. Mixed terrain. Perfect 
> for the Joe Appaloosa set up with T-burts.
> 
> Bill in Westchester, NY
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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

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Evan, that’s a stunning Ram. Perfectly classic. Beautiful colors too!

Maybe Riv should create a 25th anniversary Ram? Wishful thinking on my part:-)

Best,
Rich in 

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> Beautiful bike.  The solid rear dropout differs from the later Rams which 
> have a window and the lug set is pointed instead of rounded as on later 
> bikes.  Ooh that color!
> 
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>> Rambouillet: 
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19TrbqrlTfcHNB9_tF1YU0UsdMqx-VaGM/view?usp=sharing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford RS12 52cm with TerraFerma fork 700 or 650 plus Mafac brakes

[R Shannon]

Bruce, that looks darn good to me! Thanks for the build info too. I
remember when this one was posted FS. You scored when you made the buy.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> Here it is. Used parts I had. Looks could be a bit better, but it rides
> like a dream. Nitto noodle with bar ends and Brooks bar tape. Stem
> converter and Bontrager stem. Campy Mirage FD, Campy Veloce RD. Sugino XD2
> triple (50/36/26) and Shimano BB. White Ind/Velocity Synergy 32s wheels.
> Soma 38mm New Express tires  SRAM 11-34 cassette. Selle Anatomic Titanico
> saddle. Chris King Stainless cages. Finished the build at the end of July.
> In 6 months, It's got over 1,000 miles (it's 1 of 4 bikes I ride) It is a
> lighter, quicker steering version of the Rivendell Road. Level TT, but has
> the relaxed ST and extended HT and slightly longer chain stays that
> characterize RBW road bikes.  WHen the Road comes back home in 2 weeks, It
> will be built as a compact double I think with a wide range cassette, like
> 11-36
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet Refresh

[R Shannon]

Bruce, your Ram rebuild looks spectacular! Thanks very much for the progress 
reports.

What is the wheel size? 

Best regards,
Rich in ATL

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> I took it for a shakedown yesterday and it was very sweet. Just a few little 
> tweaks needed, but it's staying like this for a while. I moved the link to 
> Flickr because Google is phasing photos out. Can't upload anymore. For those 
> who are interested, the spec:
> 
> Paint: Amber Gold/Cream By Nathan Barnes (Pelham AL)
> Headset, triple crank (52/42/30) Rear long cage derailler, BB: Ultegra
> Brakes: Shimano A550
> Front Derailler: Campy Mirage
> Stem: Nitto Dynamic
> Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow
> Bar: Nitto Mustache (upside down for more height.
> Wheels: Shimano Tiagra hubs and Arraya non-machined rims
> Cassette: SRAM 11-34
> Tires: Panaracer Pasela 1 1/2"
> Bar Tape: Specialized Roubaix
> 
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmxUiWpP 
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet Refresh

[R Shannon]

Fantastic! The replacement Ram logo looks very good too. Nicely done. 

Doing the rebuild must be exciting. Have fun! Looking forward to the next round 
of pics.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> Let me know if this one is better:
> 
>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/5pMUAKTpHnkArUKs7
> 
> I used the "create link" function this time.  Put the headset on yesterday 
> afternon and re-united the fork and frame between the end of work and getting 
> to a history class.
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Rack Struts

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Glad you found the right size!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> Hello Rich,
> 
> Thank you very much for reaching out about those, and the offer to cut them! 
> I found a 15cm pair, so I should be good for now. 
> 
> : ) 
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

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Really nice Joe. I dig the downtube shifters too!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> Hoo wee, that's a nice bike! I popped a Brooks ti on Thomson post on there - 
> no need for setback on this frame - and got out in the smoke (with mask) for 
> a 'set the saddle height' ride. There's no standover to speak of for me with 
> those tall tires, but it's so nice while pedaling. 
> 
> Here's a couple of sorry-no-sun pics. Hey, did you know Waterford sells 
> touch-up paint for the Rivs they made/make? That big-ole chip will be covered 
> in a couple weeks. 
> 
>> On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 12:09:22 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Now I gotta figure out what color that is, the chip outta the toptube is 
>> going to drive me crazy. Or go Full Jenny @ Riv and put a cool sticker on 
>> it! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar

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Joe, if I didn’t already have an Atlantis I’d buy your Hunq:-)))

Warning: If you like it as much as I like my Atlantis then this may be your 
keeper.

Enjoy!
Rich in ATL

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> LGF: Haha, I noticed the brake cable right after I posted the pic. I haven't 
> even ridden it yet, I'll get everything properly dialed and outside for 
> proper photos (and riding!) when this smoke finally clears. 
> 
> Rich: I still want a Roadeo! Finding a Hunqapillar definitely wasn't the plan 
> right now - I was almost at N+0 just a couple weeks ago! - but I'd been 
> watching this one on CL and Ebay for a while, and had no idea it would ever 
> drop to $1500. That's an offer I cannot refuse, my friend 
> 
> Six months?? Hehe, let's see how the sizing works out. It's in the 'one size 
> up' zone like my Roadini, which wouldn't be a good choice for the serious 
> mountain biking it's designed for, but should be good as the cruiser/shopper 
> I'm gearing it towards. I'll probably put Billie Bars on it, so I'm thankful 
> for those way-too-long brake cables.. that worked out, eh? 
> 
> They'll be swapped for XTR trigger shifters, but check out those Campy dt 
> levers on a Hunqapillar!  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[R Shannon]

Howard,

That poster. Oh yeah!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:32 AM Howard Ramsay  wrote:

> [image: RIVENDELL poster.jpg]
>
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2012 at 9:27:43 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Kinda sad that I missed out on what I believe was the "Golden Years" of
>> Rivendell products. Not saying that their products aren't Golden now. It's
>> just that I always end up finding Rivendell products on ebay that were sold
>> years before I even found the website.  With that these are things I wish
>> Rivendell sold still.
>>
>> Rivendell wool jersey! < Always feel like when I find one my size on
>> ebay they go for 4 !times the original price. I like pockets on my back I
>> feel for biking it's the easy accessible place to grab things. Also they
>> make for great places for hiding bananas
>>
>> Aussie leather slipper wool socks << I had two pairs of these that were a
>> size too big for me but I would still regularly used on camping trips. I
>> loved them! But after a couple of washing the leather bottoms were done.
>> When I went back to try to get them
>>
>> Wool Uno pocket shirt<--- I remember seeing these on the website and
>> thinking how smart it was but never jumped on it because I was a poor
>> college student. Now Rapha sells one for like 80 dollars! I felt they were
>> a smart design that was way before their time.
>>
>> Rivendell Brooks saddle? <-- I've seen these floating around the internet
>> from time to time. I thought it was a neat idea.
>>
>> Anyone else have other things they wish Rivendell still sold?
>>
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