Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Ryan Stanis]

Confirmed in the email sent out today, no geo changes from last batch. My
2018 Sam is 26.8, so as previously stated, not a new development for the
frame. Wish I didn't already have one, the lime olive is quite possibly my
favorite riv color I've seen, second maybe to the green Hunqapillars.

-R

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 10:22 PM J S  wrote:

> My bright orange from the batch before the Dark Gold is 27.2.
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 9:58:35 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> "I do not recall a 26.8mm seatpost in the past for the Sam H."
>>
>> My Dark Gold Sam from the last batch 2 (3?) years ago has a 26.8 seatpost
>> diameter, so this isn't new.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing
>>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your
>>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until
>>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>>
>>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Phil Wood 700c Single Speed Wheelset - 135/100

[Ryan Stanis]

hot diggity daffodils, that's a sweet wheelset.  If it was 130mm rear
spacing I'd be game. Good luck with the sale!

-Ryan

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 12:50 PM Michael Ullmer  wrote:

> I have these posted on ebay, but thought there may be interest to the Riv
> Crowd, particularly because it has a 135mm rear spaced hub and wide rims.
>
> Phil Wood 700c Single Speed Wheelset - 135/100 32H Rim Brake.
>
> Front hub is spaced at 100mm
>
> Rear hub is a rare Kiss Off Singlespeed Bolt-on, 135mm spaced
>
> These came on a bike I bought and won't work for my purposes (I need a
> 120mm spaced hub).
>
> Unknown rims, though they are eyeleted and 22mm wide.
>
> Wheels spin smooth and are straight/true. These came on a bike that was
> built up by a local shop here in Minneapolis (One on One). I expect they
> built the wheels, but I can't confirm.
>
> $350 plus actual shipping via Bikeflights
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WP5bFAxJ7wEF2Jbu8
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: New wheelset for Romulus

[Ryan Stanis]

FWIW, to second Aaron's suggestion, the Velocity Quill is an improvement on
the A23, as many have found the A23 too easy to dent/flat spot (myself
included).  It is a wider rim than the a23, enterprise, or pacenti brevet,
but any road caliper found on a riv shouldn't have issue with it's
width.  Maybe overkill if you're staying off rough roads and gravel, but
personally I'd rather spend the extra money for peace of mind.  As far as
Velocity hubs, some of them are rebranded Bitex, an industry standard in
prebuilt wheels. Unsure of their QR road models.

VO enterprise rim is NOT tubeless compatible if that is a current or future
concern. VO hubs are easily serviceable, and run for a good many miles. I
have been running a rear VO hub since 2017 in varying frequency of use and
have yet to replace bearings. If you're not trying to future proof your
wheelset, that $400ish price tag from VO is pretty sweet.

Pacenti Brevets has recently shot up in price a good bit.  Nice looking
rim, tubeless compatible.  Seem to build up with relatively lower than
usual tension on the non drive side rear depending on what hub they're
paired with, and I have received at least one with a flat spot from the
factory.  But as the old adage goes, "sh*t happens".

Hope this helps!

-Ryan
Keystone Bicycle Co.
Philadelphia, PA

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Re: [RBW] FS: Tunitas 139 Basket Bag

[Ryan Stanis]

Alex, how’s the attachment to the basket on this bag? You think it would
work with one of the 139 half baskets?

-R

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 3:45 PM Alex K  wrote:

> $100 local Bay Area sale, or $115 shipped CONUS.  This bag is not
> Riv-specific, but this Green always looked good on my Clem.  It has been
> laying fallow, as I have taken to using my Sackville Shopsack more
> regularly.
> https://www.tunitascarryall.com/product-page/139-basket-bag
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Re: [RBW] FS - NOS Shimano M732 7-speed shifter set

[Ryan Stanis]

How that’s a very cool part to have been stashing away. Definitely
the right time to be selling these since the “vintage” mtb market is so hot
right now. Long gone are the days of $15 XT thumbies from the local bike
co-op. Good luck with the sale!

-R

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 7:39 PM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Folks, Since this has equal relevance to the i-BOB list, I plan to post it
> there too. (Forgive that please.) Never used 7-speed thumb shifter set with
> cables, housing, bottom bracket cable guide, plus related cable ends, etc.
> All in the original packaging, albeit a little yellowed with age. 5-6-7
> compatible with a "push" 8th click.
> In the early 1990's when Shimano introduced the "new" trigger shifters, I
> stashed these away but eventually landed on 9-speed SRAM Twist Grips which
> I use for mountain biking today.
> It's a bit hard for me to justify continuing to hold on to these. I do
> have one 7-speed bike, but it's a Bontrager CX converted to 1x7 years ago
> with drops and a bar end shifter. When I went to the Internet to see what
> folks were asking for these end-of-the-line Shimano thumbies, what I found
> was used and scratched shifters (only) going for $54 to $150 on eBay. Mine
> still have the original plastic covering on the faceplates.
> Bike Recyclery had a set of NOS thumb shifters (only) for $175.
> I'd love to avoid the craziness of the auction house but hesitate to
> embarrass myself by asking too much from this group. I'm going to ask $175,
> plus shipping for the set.
> My guess is that the cost of shipping could be cut considerably by
> shipping all in a Flat Rate box without the oversized original packaging
> and willing to investigate that.
> Photos here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720300890751
> PayPal preferred, PM me with any questions please.
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone run 650b on a Sam Hillborne?

[Ryan Stanis]

A local rider, who was present at our weekly coffee outside meet up this
morning, has a sidepull sam that they had canti posts added at the proper
height for 650b. They’re currently running the bike with Paul motolites
(which have a considerable range of adjustment) and 700c wheels. A funny
way to end back up at 700c, but now with options!

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 6:57 PM David Person  wrote:

> I have R559s on my 700c Hillborne and I could drop the brake pad down
> about 12mm more than it is.  You would need 19mm to run a 650b rim, if I
> did the math correctly (622 - 584) / 2 = 19mm.  The options for sidepull
> calipers with more than 73mm of reach are very limited.
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The limiter here is going to be finding caliper brakes that will reach.
>> Caliper-Sams already start with long-reach Tektro R559 or equivalent, I'm
>> not sure even Paul Racers will reach down to 650B rims.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 10:08:08 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I have a Sam Hillborne without canti posts. I was considering
>>> trying 650b hoops to get some even beefier tires on the bike. Has anyone
>>> seen it done? Pics?
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Fabios Chest Small

[Ryan Stanis]

Michael,

Just saw that a Swift Industries made, Coyote X-Pac is for sale on ebay as
we speak.  Current going price is about the same as getting one new however.

take care,
R

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 5:36 PM Michael Ullmer  wrote:

> After a wonderful weekend spent riding some gravel out in Wenatchee, I
> decided I need to switch up my cockpit setup on my gravel bike. It's
> currently sporting narrow (42cm) drop bars with a rando bag and on
> technical terrrain I really need something wider. I've got some Crust Towel
> Rack bars coming and I'm hoping to pair it with a small Fab's Chest. Anyone
> have one in their bin?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike in Seattle
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brevets on Rivs -- 2021 Dillon Beach 200k

[Ryan Stanis]

Bill,

Alway love to see rivs out on brevets! I have a similar set up to your
Roadeo on a Circle A Cycles frame, 32s but *with* fenders, that is not my
go-to rando bike, but I find it a nice change of pace sometimes. Little bit
zippier feeling than my larger volume tired alternatives.  Longest i've
done on the Circle A was 300k, but am currently improving the build on it
to hopefully complete our local SR series again next spring. Have yet to
complete a brevet on my Sam Hillborne, but will be taking it on a 100 mile
dyno ride down to Cape May NJ, then another 50 miles up to Atlantic City
later that day.  Not the best test as the biggest hill will be crossing the
Benjamin Franklin Bridge over in to Camden, but will be a nice long time to
spend with Sam regardless!

And second your shout out to Ruth Works! Ely makes some great bags, and he
was hugely supportive of us as we got our new bike shop off the ground here
in Philly!

-Ryan

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 7:31 PM Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> *My "dream Roadeo" would be a frame that has the light tubing of a
> Roadeo/Legolas, geometry of a Roadeo, but the clearances of my Hillborne
> which takes 38s plus fenders.  That's why I think cantilever brakes would
> be ideal.  The fact is that I have a Roadeo, and a Legolas, and a
> Hillborne, so it's kind of dumb for me to imagine the combination of all of
> them.  :)*
>
> *Bill Lindsay*
> *El Cerrito, CA*
>
> Not really dumb. You just *yearn* for an "ideal" and it just so happens
> you have three bikes with one or two characteristics of that "ideal".  I
> had similar criteria a long time ago. Road bike (not full on touring),
> reasonably light, fat tires for long distance comfort and making the
> transition from pavement to hardpack with aplomb. Such an animal didn't
> exist in the "new" market. So...being dirt poor, I approached the "problem"
> from a different angle: Vintage. Hence, a '68 Condor handbuilt by Vic
> Edwards. 531, medium trail (about 50mm),  room for 38's with fenders. What
> a gem and I saved a whole bunch of cash. When I found it,  Riv was still in
> Rambouillet mode (beautiful but not much in the meaty tire department).
> "Fat-tired" road bikes were either French or British handbuilts, usually
> 700x32/35 or 27x1 1/4 or 3/8.  here really was a lot of diversity in the
> road bike paradigm back in the 50's-70's. These bikes still exist but you
> need to immerse yourself in the vintage state of mind and be able to ask
> sellers the right questions to be sure of clearances. And they're not as
> cheap as they used to be. Think I paid about $150 for used custom steel
> back then.  Even then you have to accept that you're not going to get 100%
> of what you may have wanted. My '68 Volvo was very cool but you still had
> to keep those dual Strombergs in sync, live with single belt seat belts and
> no head rests.
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 10:27:32 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I noted that I wished my 32s were 35s at the end of the ride.  Austin
>> responded that his Roadeo takes 35s
>>
>> I did not mean to suggest my Roadeo doesn't take 35s.  I have the same
>> brakes you have (Velo Orange Gran Cru).  I only meant that's what I was
>> wishing at the end of the ride.  I considered putting the 35s on pre-ride,
>> and didn't.  Perhaps next time I will.  Please do show off if you can fit
>> Barlow Passes into your Roadeo.  My Barlow Passes are sitting on another
>> bike in another location, so I can't do that test.  My Barlow Passes are
>> plump, more like a true 40mm - 41mm.
>>
>> My "dream Roadeo" would be a frame that has the light tubing of a
>> Roadeo/Legolas, geometry of a Roadeo, but the clearances of my Hillborne
>> which takes 38s plus fenders.  That's why I think cantilever brakes would
>> be ideal.  The fact is that I have a Roadeo, and a Legolas, and a
>> Hillborne, so it's kind of dumb for me to imagine the combination of all of
>> them.  :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:26:03 AM UTC-7 Austin B. wrote:
>>
>>> @Bill,
>>>
>>> My 2014 Roadeo takes 35mm Bon Jon EL's just fine (mounted to H Plus Son
>>> Archetype rims) and the ride is sublime. See photos of clearance
>>> below--maybe a different brakes would help? Or perhaps RBW adjusted the
>>> clearances at some point.
>>>
>>> I've got 38mm Barlow's on my BMC Monstercross which I've been thinking
>>> about trying on the Roadeo to see if they fit (I'm due for new tires soon
>>> so I'm curious).
>>>
>>> Austin
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8105.jpeg] [image: IMG_8106.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the report.

 I'm curious to hear about your and others' nutrition strategies. I've
 not ridden a 200k yet but plan to soon. On rides longer than 100k or so, I
 find that I need eat way more than you describe. I totally over ate on a
 century a few months ago and got a bit sick post ride(no more pizza!) 

Re: [RBW] Re: Thanks and shout out to LBS

[Ryan Stanis]

Hey Adam, thanks for giving me the opportunity to build your bike for you!
An absolute pleasure.

So glad to hear you enjoyed your inaugural ride. As a mechanic and fellow
Riv owner nothing warms my heart more.

-Ryan

1/5 of Keystone Bicycle Co.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:26 PM Mark Roland 
wrote:

> Great looking bike. Enjoy!
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Adam,
>>
>> It looks lovely.  Happy riding for many thousands of miles!!!  I think
>> Keystone even featured your Hillborne on their IG stories and posts and I
>> wrote a note (I'm BicycleBertie).  Perhaps we'll meet up on my Joe
>> Appaloosa, AHHilsen, or my Platy!  I'm on the Schuylkill River Trail quite
>> a lot.
>>
>> I've been following Zack for a couple of years as the only person in town
>> I'd let work on my Riv bikes.  When he and four friends opened Keystone
>> Bike, I followed him there.  And, now, I let any one of them work on my
>> bikes.  I trust them.  A month ago they did a fabulous job replacing the
>> Dyno light on my AHH and I'm beyond thrilled.  They have great attention to
>> detail and they appreciate all kinds of bikes, including Riv's (two of them
>> own Rivs).
>>
>> I"m so glad that you got both a fabulous ride and a new LBS!
>>
>> See you on SRT!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:22:53 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, new member here, been gathering a lot of info and thought I'd say
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> Just wanted to thank the list--particularly the member who sold me the
>>> Hillborne frame a month or so ago. (won't call you out by name in case
>>> that's not what you want)
>>>
>>> I had it built up by a great "newish" LBS, Keystone Bicycle Co
>>>  here in Philly. If anyone in the area
>>> doesn't know about them (I didn't) it's a great shop. They did a wonderful,
>>> very simple build and were amazing to work with (so much great attention to
>>> detail, and super patient with my questions, decisions, etc)
>>>
>>> The bike's amazing, took it for a little ride in the cold rain
>>> yesterday, I'm blown away by the handling and responsiveness. I somehow
>>> didn't expect it to be so fast.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210126_192214101~2.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[Ryan Stanis]

David, that build looks super fresh with the Oracle Ridge tires on there!
I'll have to pick up a pair at some point and pull the fenders to give
those a try.

OP, I've been running Panaracer Gravel King SK 700x43s on CR18s with VO
Zeppelin Fenders (52mm wide?) on a Canti Sam and the fit istight.
Fenders can get clogged with debris easily and if the fenders get knocked
around i'll end up getting tire rub when really cranking up climbs.  It
wasn't til I went climbing through some fallen trees after a big storm that
the fender started doing thatShould've taken a hint and turned around.

-Ryan

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 7:07 PM David Baldi 
wrote:

> I just built up a Sam with Rene Herse Oracle Ridge on Velocity Dyads.
> Feels fantastic, and the clearance is perfect for use w/o fenders.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/97k84okvey64VQ6r9
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:06:53 AM UTC-5 diekaiser wrote:
>
>> I have Vittoria Terreno Dry (47) on a Cliffhanger rim and I have minimal
>> clearance in the rear at the brake bridge. Also, the Paul Mini Motos mini
>> cable is ever so close to the tire tread. I also ran the same setup on
>> Velocity Quills and it was a little bit better in both the brake bridge and
>> brake cable clearance of the Mini Motos. I've also ran the GravelKing 1.9's
>> (non-slick) on both the Cliffhangers and Quills. Again, minimal clearance,
>> but it rolled.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:19:31 PM UTC-8 Mark Allen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the canti version from the last run (2018/2019) before this
>>> month's release.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>>
 Do you have the canti version? I have side pull, and I don’t think I
 could do fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires. Fenders and Barlow Pass 38 is
 excellent though.

 On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Mark Allen  wrote:

 For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene
 Herse Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 2018
 Hillborne perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for either
 component.

 Mark

 On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit
> on my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on
> the rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to
> prevent warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go
> much bigger.
>
> - Nathan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Herse v. VO Crankset

[Ryan Stanis]

FWIW, A friend of mine who first got me rando-curious broke two VO crank
arms (snapped arm above the pedal) pretty deep into two seperate brevets,
which left him DNF pretty far from home. These are the only two instances
I've personally heard of them breaking, and that was about 3 years ago. He
ended up upgrading to the Herse cranks and has had no issues since.  A
costly component, but peace of mind in the deep hours of a 600k is
priceless.

-R


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 1:55 PM Brady Smith  wrote:

> Thanks for everyone's thoughts. I think the VO makes more sense for me
> now. I didn't realize the range of chainrings available with the VO
> crankset, or that the Herse cranks are only compatible with Herse
> chainrings. I'll leave the latter for when the wife finally lets me build a
> dream bike.
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 7:09:09 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I thought about getting a Herse crank some while ago, but as I ride heels
>> in / toes out, I need a bit of flare out on the crankarms so that my heels
>> don't hit the cranks when pedalling. I asked them about this, and was told
>> that no, the crankarms are straight fore-aft, so I didn't proceed with the
>> purchase. I also wasn't too keen on a crank with a unique bolt circle that
>> limits you to a single provider of chainrings.
>>
>> Nick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Clem Smith JR. Build revealed!

[Ryan Stanis]

Tim, build came out great! Love the all-black everything on a riv, esp. the
nitto r10! I need to pick one of those up in black for myself.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:11 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Tim, that Clem looks too clean! But In all seriousness, that bike looks
> gorgeous. It also looks like the parts and build are super dialed, so
> hopefully you won't do what I've done and slowly replaced everything on the
> clem over the past 2 years :)
>
> I hope it brings you miles of dust and mud and plenty of good stories.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in SAC
>
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 4:25:19 PM UTC-7, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Bunch, I am excited to share my Clem Smith build with you all. This
>> is my third Rivendell which will complement my Sam Hillborne and a Joe
>> Appaloosa. My Sam is my go-to for all kinds of riding where my Appaloosa
>> serves as my traditional touring bike with racks and fenders.  The vision
>> for the Clem was to have it serve as an analog mountain bike as well as a
>> capable dirt tourer.
>>
>>
>> The build is modern and non-traditional in the Riv sense. This was not my
>> original plan but it sort of morphed into that. My first purchase for the
>> bike after the frame was a Son Widebody dynohub that I purchased here from
>> a fellow list member. The hub was black so I decided that I would make all
>> of the components black with a touch of gold. I had the Nitto R10 ceramic
>> coded in matte black along with the King cages, seatpost and lamp holder.
>> My good friends Candice and James at Analog cycles helped me with the
>> parts. As a result, a touch of Analog’s style and influence is evident in
>> the build. I also built the wheels myself. This was my first time building
>> wheels from start to finish. I want to thank Bryan from Utility Bicycles in
>> Kingston, NY for coaching me through that. I am super happy with how the
>> bike came out and especially proud because I did all of the work myself.
>> Not bad for a careerist with a desk job!
>>
>>
>> Link to a shared photo album below. For the true bike nerds among us I am
>> including the build details as well.
>>
>> ·
>>
>>
>>
>> Clem Build Photos 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ·   59 Clem H Frameset
>>
>> ·   Velocity Cliffhangers
>>
>> ·   White Industries MI5 Rear Hub
>>
>> ·   Son Widebody Dynohub
>>
>> ·   White Industries ENO crankset
>>
>> ·   White Industries 32 Tooth Single Ring
>>
>> ·   Connex 11 speed chain
>>
>> ·   Spank Pedals
>>
>> ·   Sunrace 11x50 rear cassette
>>
>> ·   SRAM Rival 1X rear derailleur
>>
>> ·   Paul Motolite brakes
>>
>> ·   Paul Love Levers
>>
>> ·   Paul Thumbies with Shimano DA shifter (friction)
>>
>> ·   Schmidt Edulux II headlight
>>
>> ·   Nitto R-10 Rear Rack
>>
>> ·   Brooks B17 Saddle
>>
>> ·   Nitto R83 seatpost
>>
>> ·   Nitto/Crust 31.8 stem
>>
>> ·   Jones H Bar
>>
>> ·   Oury Grips
>>
>> ·   Tanglefoot Peruvian Tape
>>
>> ·   Schwalbe Rocket Rons 2.25
>>
>> ·   Swift Zeitgeist saddle bag
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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