[RBW] Gearing question -

[Stephen Durfee]

Another list member recently asked a question "Which Front Derailleur 
option is best for a 38/24 front, 11-36 rear". At the time, I commented 
that my AR has a 38/24 front, that I often spin out on level ground and can 
only coast down hills, and that I have been planning to remove the chain 
guard and swap in a 46T front ring, to turn my double into a triple. But 
then I got to wondering, would I actually be better off making a switch in 
the back...

My 26" rear wheel is built around a Bullseye hub, with a 14-34 freewheel. 
The front wheel is brand new - a Rich-built dynamo with a Shimano hub. 

My questionwould I be better off making a change in the front, going 
with a triple and the current rear wheel? Or, should I upgrade to a new 
rear wheel, with a hub cassette at 11-36? Here is my stab at basic math, 
which may or may not provide useful information
My current "big gear"  38÷14 = 2.71
with the added triple,   46÷14 = 3.28
with a new cassette and existing chainrings 38 ÷ 11= 3.45

I understand, of course, a new rear wheel would be a more expensive 
solution. My existing FD is a Shimano 105. I think it could handle the 
triple, but I haven't yet put it to the test.   Are there other factors to 
consider? 

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[RBW] Re: Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Stephen Durfee]

Hi Robert,  just wondering if you have considered a 42/28, or other options 
for the front?
I have been running a Silver 38/24 with a chainguard on my All-Rounder for 
the past year or so, and I'm planning on converting to a triple, swapping 
out the guard for a third, 46T ring. I found the smaller design of the 
crank to be frustrating ...even on level ground, I'll be pushing the limit. 
Downhills are only for coasting. That said, the smallest ring of the 
freewheel has 13T.
When I built my Homer, I went with a VO 46/30 compact double. So far, so 
good!

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 4:52:00 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> To add another data point:
>
> I've been using the Shimano Sora FD on my Appaloosa.
> It shifts a 42-24 front mated to a 12-36 rear flawlessly. In friction, of 
> course.
> Really, the shifting is amazing coming from the indexed FD on my other 
> bike.
>
>
> [image: IMG_1702 2.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday 12 May 2024 at 04:05:30 UTC+9:30 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to 
>> pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 
>>
>> I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
>> Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
>> for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 
>>
>> What would folks recommend? 
>
>

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[RBW] WTB/ Rear Rack Advice

[Stephen Durfee]

Looking for a rear rack for my trusty All Rounder, something that will 
support panniers for some summer excursions...perhaps something like the 
Shiny Rear Rack. Does anyone have an extra they would be looking to 
offload? Or, suggestion for something more appropriate? 

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[RBW] Eroica California

[Stephen Durfee]

Curious if anyone on this forum is also a Vintage enthusiast and has 
interest in the Eroica event that is run on the Central Coast of 
California. I've ridden it a few times on my PX-10... its a great ride, 
although the organization that runs the event has had its ups and downs 
over the years. Currently, the website lists September 22, 2024 as the run 
date, but the registration button leads to last year's sign-updoes 
anyone have any better intel? 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Bar Ends, XTR Rear Derailleur, 600 tricolor brake levers

[Stephen Durfee]

Hi Eliot - is the IRD front der a clamp on or braze-on? sd

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Cleaning out the parts bin. All prices are shipped and include paypal fees.
>
> Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar End Shifters (can also substitute 8 speed levers if 
> you prefer) - $60
> Shimano 600 (ultegra) tri- color brake levers (note the trim part does not 
> match) $20
> XTR m952 Rear Derailleur - $80
> FSA SLK silver canti brakeset $80
> Dura Ace 7700 130 bcd silver crankset $45
> IRD alpina triple or sub compact front derailleur $50
> Shimano PD-A600 pedals (logos are worn) $50
>
> Might be open to selling a SonDelux/Mavic Open Pro wheel with three lights 
> and tail light.
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Stephen Durfee]

check out this Riv adjacent Ebisu in Davis, CA 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1045901090509133/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3Ad855af6f-dc71-4c85-b170-807584484136
On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 3:16:26 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> 60cm Homer
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilson/7732342937.html
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 7:35:42 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> That Heron was just posted to the Riv buy/sell/trade Facebook group. 
>> $4000 shipped or less for local pick-up in Ann Arbor.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 8:43:22 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
>>> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>> I love a bargain 

 On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

>>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>
 Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
>> this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
 wow

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
> wrote:
>
>> Heron Touring 
>> 55cm
>> $7000
>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
>> racks, and full Campagnolo...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini
>>> 57cm
>>> 2000
>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Friend in SF Bay Area Selling Roadini

[Stephen Durfee]

Just sayin', you might advise your friend that 2k is a big ask for this 
bike, as listed. I had basically the same rig, same color/same vintage and 
built up pretty much the samehad it listed on the same Bay Area CL for 
quite some time last year at 1700...I eventually sold it as a Black Friday 
special for 1600.  It was the only legit offer that I got in >2 months. 
Folks these days want the newer model Roadini, with the greater tire 
clearance. Nice bike, though. and GLWS

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> My friend in the east bay is selling a nice older blue roadini (medium 
> reach brake version). 
>
> Heres the craigslist listing:
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>
> He's had it up for a little bit so I'm helping out posting here to get him 
> a little more visibility.
>
> To note: 
> he is not interested in parting it out.
> Strongly prefers local sale
>
> thanks for looking
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Stephen Durfee]

Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:

> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>> roof.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> wow
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  

 BL in EC

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Heron Touring 
> 55cm
> $7000
> Walled Lake, Michigan
> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
> and full Campagnolo...
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Roadini
>> 57cm
>> 2000
>> Emeryville, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>
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[RBW] Yet another tired question...

[Stephen Durfee]

My son and I are planning an adventure along the Erie Canal route for this 
summer, with a few detours along the way to visit friends and explore the 
Finger Lakes. I’m planning to ride my All Rounder (26” wheels) and carry 
clothes and some gear for camping, but trying to keep the packing light. It 
will be mostly a paved road trip, but we might get the chance to get onto 
some gravel. With that as the back story, I’m curious about tire 
recommendations. The bike came to me with Continental Contacts and  I’ve 
experimented with Paselas and RH Elk Pass. I'm ready to try something new 
and would welcome the suggestions, 

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco Randonneurs 200k ride report

[Stephen Durfee]

Meanwhile, I am such a lazy randonneur that I stayed home. Sounds like you 
had a great ride, where you got to meet all the predetermined goals.

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:12:09 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> The Russian River 200k comes in at a little over 200k with 126 miles.  I 
> consider myself a lazy randonneur.  I prefer to train as little as 
> possible, while also trying to minimize the suffering on the event day as 
> much as possible.
>
> I'm not unfit because I commute to work on my bike (Cheviot). During the 
> school year, I drop my daughter off at school, park the car nearby and ride 
> my bike to work and back to the car after work.  It's about 5 miles and 
> ~600 ft of elevation gain.  My base is therefore 40-50 miles a week (4-5 
> commute days) and two weekends I did a 15 mile loop from my house.  It's 
> enough training to finish the 126-miler, but I wanted to ride without 
> suffering unduly.
>
> I drew on my experience:
>
> 1. I know what my body likes to eat on long rides.  
> My go to recipe: rice bars-I think of it as an elevated spam musubi
> https://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/recipes/dr-lims-bacon-and-egg-rice-cakes
>
> I put in chicken apple sausage instead of bacon and skip the maple 
> sugar/brown syrup.  I wrap the rice/eggs/sausage in seaweed like a sushi 
> roll and plop it in a sandwich baggie.  I didn't have to stop for anything 
> yesterday except some water and a quick bathroom break.
>
> 2. I know that with my base of fitness, I need to stay within a very 
> narrow range of effort.  If I put in too much effort, then my body won't be 
> able to recover.
>
> --This means that I need to go slow out of the gate and not get caught up 
> in the excitement of the start, and I have to take it easy on the hills and 
> spin in my low gears.  If I follow this strategy, then I can maintain 
> energy until the end without struggling to the finish line. 
>
> (Conversely, a countless number of times, have I gone too hard at the 
> start and limped along to the end!)
>
> It was a chilly start and forecast for 38 degrees, which on a steep 
> downhill is practically ski weather, so I put on my ski gloves on top of my 
> fingerless gloves to start the day off.
>
> As expected, out of the gate it was fast.  I kept it slow.  I was riding 
> alone that day because my friend was just returning from Germany and was 
> jet lagged, so I went at my own pace.
>
> Soon, I was the last one of the 60 or so riders and the only people I saw 
> were the late starters who were passing me.  
>
> It was cold as expected, and it was also foggy with condensation on my 
> glasses, so visibility was poor for a while, but gradually the sun came out 
> and it was a beautiful day.  I met up with another Riv that day--a rider 
> with a beautiful A Homer Hilsen (I'm sorry I missed his name).  He caught a 
> nice picture as the sun started to come out and we had a beautiful view of 
> the rolling hills.  
>
> I made my way through the grazing cows and worked through the Russian 
> River valley over to the coast where it was a really beautiful day.  We 
> headed back down the coast and then back to the start at San Rafael.
>
> --In terms of time allowed for the ride, the minimum pace is roughly 10 
> miles per hour, including stops, giving about 12.6 hours to finish. 
>
> I exceeded my target goal of 10-11 hours and came in under 10 hours. I 
> only had 18 minutes of time stopped (a record low for me), including a 
> couple of construction 1-lane delays, so that helped me maintain a good 
> time.
>
> For the 300k, I'm going to add in some 28 mile training loops. I figure if 
> I go hard on the 28-milers, then it will be enough to finish modestly well 
> on the 300k.  
>
> Until next time,
> Toshi in Oakland
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Brevet #2 of 2024, this time on my Legolas

[Stephen Durfee]

Sounds like a great day Bill!

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 9:05:29 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Wow Bill, I am impressed.
> Sounds like an incredible ride. Congrats!
>
> In the face of chocolate chips and lemon cake, cashews are going to play 
> third fiddle.
> k.
>
> On Feb 10, 2024, at 6:11 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Today was the SFRandonneurs Russian River 200k brevet.  Executive 
> summary: I did it on my Legolas, and finished in 9 hours on the button, 
> clock running, which is a very good time for me. I'm fired up to tackle the 
> 300 in March.  
>
>
> TL/DR
>
> I was signed up for the 2/24 200k, in preparation for the 3/9 300k event, 
> but a family gathering got arranged on that weekend and I had to pivot to 
> the 2/10 event.  It's fortunate that SFR has so many events, especially in 
> the Winter months.  The Russian River 200k route looks like two lollipops. 
> Unlike most SFR Marin County rides, it doesn't start at the Golden Gate 
> Bridge.  Instead it starts at the end of Lucas Valley Road in San Rafael. 
>  The "stem" of the first lollipop follows Lucas Valley Road all the way to 
> Nicosio. Then you go counter clockwise around the first half of the first 
> lollipop hitting the tip of the stem of the second lollipop in Fallon.  The 
> second stem ends in Valley Ford, and then we go counter clockwise again up 
> through Occidental, Rio Vista, Guerneville and alongside the Russian River. 
>  That second lollipop loop meets up with the Pacific Coast and curls back 
> down to Valley Ford, retraces stem #2 and returns to the coast along 
> Tomales Bay before meeting back up with stem #1 in Nicosio, and it's back 
> Lucas Valley Road to where you started.  It was a gorgeous route and a 
> splendid day.  After a ton of heavy rain, there was a lot of evidence of it 
> having been stormy, and lots of wet roads, but no rain today. 
>
> At the start at 7AM temperatures were in the low 40s, so I wore bib shorts 
> plus knee warmers.  I wore a wool base layer, and a thermal SFR long sleeve 
> jersey, with my rain jacket over that and a reflective vest on top of that. 
>  I wore some light full finger gloves, and over socks over my road shoes. 
>  It dropped to the mid 30s in some of the valleys and my fingers were in 
> pain from the cold.  I was just barely warm enough on the feet, and for a 
> minute I wished I had worn a buff or similar to pull over my nose and ears. 
>  By 10AM it warmed up enough that it was no longer a problem, and in the 
> afternoon a lot of the layers came off as the temperatures got up to the 
> mid 50s.  
>
> My Legolas was originally a 1x10, but I changed it out to a 2x10 late last 
> year.  I used It on my birthday to summit Mount Diablo, with Barlow Pass 
> Extralight road tires.  The bike did great on that ride, but after 55 
> miles, my saddle was not comfortable.  I've got an ultra lightweight Selle 
> Italia saddle on there, because it's a cyclocross race bike!  Races last an 
> hour and you're running part of the time.  Who cares if your saddle is 
> comfortable?  The night before I swapped out my Gilles Berthoud Soulor 
> leather saddle, and I'm glad I did.  My hindquarters handled the day 
> without any objections.  
>
> The bike did perfectly.  Fast and nimble, but easy to control.  No 
> mechanicals and no flats.  I hammered the last 40km to just get under the 
> wire at 9 hours.  Strava gives me 8 hours 40 minutes moving.  My fitness is 
> progressing nicely.  I've lost about 12 pounds of pudge I didn't need, and 
> my general strength from Orange Theory Fitness seems to be paying 
> dividends.  Despite a couple nagging aches and pains, the body did well 
> today.  
>
> Another last minute bike setup change was I decided to run Look style 
> pedals, instead of SPDs.  My left ankle has been bugging me and I feel a 
> lot more planted on the solid wide platform of Look pedals.  That choice 
> served me well all day, with no foot, pedal or ankle issues.  
>
> Nutrition-wise I did nothing in preparation.  I had a biggish breakfast 
> and packed no food.  In Valley Ford I bought a chocolate chip cookie, a 
> package of cashews and a bag of Hairdo ginger candy.  On my second trip to 
> Valley Ford I restocked water and had a slice of Lemon Cake.  That all did 
> fine, and I didn't actually get into the cashews until after the ride.  
>
> I did my normal Four 50k sections.  Section 1 I took it easy and warmed 
> up.  Section 2 I pushed harder.  Section 3, I dug deep and got after it. 
>  Section 4 would normally be a mellow victory lap to get you home, but I 
> really wanted to make 9 hours so I hammered, and it worked out.  A couple 
> of the "fast group" riders who went off the front at the start were still 
> at the finish when I got there, so I wasn't far behind them.  
>
> Anyway, I'm pleased with my ride and feel ready for the 300 next month. I 
> do NOT intend to use my new RoadeoRosa on the 300, but I'm holding an 
> outside shot that I may use it for 

[RBW] Re: FS: Dynamo gear and Nitto handlebars (SF Bay)

[Stephen Durfee]

Hi Chris - I've been thinking about a dynamo set-up for my Homer...I'm not 
that familiar with the options, so just reading whatever I can find about 
the items you have chosen. Are you upgrading to a new system?

I live in Napa and work in SF, so not that far from Menlo Parksd

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 3:51:23 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:

> Prices are for a local deal picked up in Menlo Park, I am half a mile from 
> the Cal Train station. Really hoping not to ship or split parts just yet.
>
> Pics here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/21267164@N02/
>
>
>
> *Dynamo set up - $400*
>
> *Front wheel *Schmidt Son to Mavic Open Sport, butted spokes, all silver 
> in good but used condition.
>
>
> *Front Light*Busch and Mueller IQ-XS – silver, used 100 miles, uncut 
> cable length, some storage marks pictured.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/iq-xs-1?_pos=3&_sid=8d7b3837c&_ss=r
>
>
> *Rear Lights*Busch & Müller Toplight Line Brake Plus Pulsating tail light 
> – used 25 miles, great condition.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/dyno-rack-light
>
> Busch & Müller SecuZED Plus Dyno Tail Light for Fender, Frame or Seat Post 
> – looks like it might be missing a bracket, you can likely call Riv for 
> one, or MacGyver a threaded attachment.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/xfhz66816?_pos=2&_sid=8d7b3837c&_ss=r
>
> B Saddle Rail Bracket – never used
> https://www.clevercycles.com/b-m-saddle-rail-bracket.html
>
> Schmidt dynamo tail light wire
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/schimdt-wire?_pos=6&_sid=8d7b3837c&_ss=r
>
> Two rear B cables
>
> Schmidt coaxial connector
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/lights/schmidt-coaxial-adapter/
>
>
> Nitto R14 – used condition, all required hardware – extra $100 
>
>
>
> *Nitto handlebars – all 3 for $200*Nitto albatross (heat-treated 
> aluminum) – unridden but scratched from installing it on a tight stem - $85
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-albatross-bar-cromo-55cm-x-25-4
>
> Nitto choco bar (heat-treated aluminum) – not pictured, I can send one if 
> interested. Ridden 200 miles, scratched from a tight stem but overall good 
> condition - $85
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-choco-norm-bar-alu-ht-54cm-x-25-4-100mm-sleeve-tandem-162491
>
> Nitto kite bars B355 (heat-treated aluminum) – new in package – $50
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Stephen Durfee]

Wowzers!  a Sam in Oakland...
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7712108590.html
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:02:16 PM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Sad way to start off the year: 
>
> STOLEN: Rivendell Rambouillet - $200 (Santa Barbara)
>
>
> Nice 54cm Rambouillet, nicely built. 
>
> Not mine, just saw in on CL. 
>
>
> https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/bik/d/santa-barbara-stolen-rivendell/7705846559.html
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Time for a new FS thread?
>>
>> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall member 
>> here might be interested: 
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>>
>> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
>> been repainted by D Cycles.
>>
>> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>>
>> No connection to the seller.
>>
>> Max
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Moustache, matching stem, and brake levers

[Stephen Durfee]

Bill, I would happily rehome your albastache bar, and could swing by on my 
way to/from SF to fetch it. 

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 8:01:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I reconfigured the cockpit on a couple bikes and have some cockpit parts 
> available for sale.  If you've got a roadish alt-cockpit in mind, these may 
> serve your plans.  
>
> 1. Albastache handlebar.  Nitto RM017.  26.0mm clamp.  Heat treated. 
>  Bought from Rivendell.  The ones Riv sells now are 25.4mm clamp diameter, 
> and cost $121.  I'm asking $60 plus shipping.  The Newbaums adhesive 
> residue is artisinally curated.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53470067032/in/datetaken/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53471284844/in/datetaken/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53470968461/in/datetaken/
>
> 2. Moustache handlebar.  Nitto RM016.  26.0mm clamp.  Heat treated.  These 
> came on a Rivendell Romulus that I recently acquired.  Ben's Cycle sells 
> these for $99.  I'm asking $50 plus shipping.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53471110843/in/datetaken/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53471388955/in/datetaken/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53471110618/in/datetaken/
>
> 3.  SRAM S500 brakelevers in silver.  The S500 has that little tilt to 
> them, so if you run them backwards (swap left and right) the tilt matches 
> the droop of a Moustache or Albastache bar.  TRP RRL have the same feature. 
>  The S500 levers sell for $84 retail now, but you can only get them in 
> Black. Silver doesn't exist at any price.  I'm asking $80 plus shipping.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53471812786/in/datetaken/
>
> 4.  XO-1 Nitto Ritchey stem.  26.0mm clamp.  22.2mm quill for a 1" 
> threaded fork installation.  This is the actual stem from an XO-1.  The 
> extension part is 100mm long center to center, and I'd call it a +10 degree 
> rise.  I'm offering this up only on the off chance that you have an XO-1 or 
> a plan to do an XO-1 restoration build and want it to be totally period 
> correct.  Pair this with the Moustache bar above and you'll be totally 
> stock.  I paid top dollar for this stem when it came available because I 
> knew/know it's kind of a unicorn.  It's still a useful shape for some drop 
> bar applications, so I'm content to keep it.  Asking $150 plus shipping.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53471388990/in/datetaken/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53471110438/in/datetaken/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Stephen Durfee]

Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased 
from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a 
RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you), 
hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited 
HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54 
and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I 
should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old 
Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that 
the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered 
investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I 
didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.  
And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it 
didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally, 
and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I 
love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles 
and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini 
felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to 
acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on 
flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it. 

If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're 
close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what 
you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold 
50 in stock...

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already 
> claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy 
> when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I 
> was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I 
> still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't 
> consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 
> 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you 
> wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm 
>> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. 
>> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the 
>> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
>>
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html. 
>>> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not 
>>> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, 
>>> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably 
>>> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, 
>>> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
>>> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the 
>>> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm 
>>> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down 
>>> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s 
>>> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any 
>>> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>>>
>>> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall 
>>> enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think 
>>> it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so 
>>> versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated 
>>> downhill MTB park.
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Howdy all,

 So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be 
 some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I 
 got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a 
 Ram for a short time. 

 So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding? 
 I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can 
 weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I 
 like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at 
 my, fast for me, 18-19 mph.. 

 I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish 
 group.. 

 Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are 
 looking to move? 

 Thanks,
 Chris is 

Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Stephen Durfee]

Hey Sarah - fun to follow this thread because I am also in the midst of a 
Homer road bike build, to complement my All-Rounder adventure bike. I have 
the same Silver 38/24 on the AR and found it to be frustrating even on the 
flats - I picked up a single 46T chainring and (when I find the time) will 
be swapping that in for the chainguard to make mine a more useful triple. 
Meanwhile, the Homer will be getting a 46/30 crankset from VO and an 11-34 
cassetteNexave RD and Rich-built Velocity Synergy wheelset (33mm Jack 
Browns) collected from folks on the list. I'm putting the finishing touches 
on mine now, let's plan a Homer parade for GGP when you get yours built!


On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told 
> me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since 
> I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see 
> how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x 
> 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel 
> my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
>> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>
>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
>> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
>> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
>> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
>> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
>> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
>> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
 than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:

 - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
 - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
 - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
 medium and small cogs and back. 

 Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
 gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 

 Eric 
 Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 


 On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
 wrote:

> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
> thing?
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to 
>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high 
>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>> more 
>> rings up there. 
>>
>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 
>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 
>> 24-25 
>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
>> run 
>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>> situations 
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the 

[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Stephen Durfee]

For sure, a drop bar looks great, and as others have already pointed out, 
there are several drop bar variations out there besides the Noodle...I've 
been curious about the Origin8 Tiki Bar, for example. I'm just now looking 
to offload a Roadini that is fit with Noodles and brifters, and I have to 
say that while the combination is fun,  I also get sore hands fairly 
quickly - say by mile 15.  I've got an Albastache bar on my XO-3, and am 
quite happy with that for my around-town riding and daily commute. I'm also 
fully behind the idea of saving $, so intra-list sales and swaps, CL and 
Facebook marketplace are my main source of parts. 
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:17:20 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - there's 
> 1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower drops and 
> mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I probably want 
> something with a longer ramp for even more position variability.  There are 
> just. so. many. bars. now.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache 
>> bars and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally 
>> use drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
>> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
>> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
>> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
>> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
>> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
>> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
>> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
>> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
>> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>>
>> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
>> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
>> experience.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>>
>>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The 
>>> drops didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my 
>>> comfort.  The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty 
>>> part of my hands behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>>
>>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>>> behind the thumbs.
>>>
>>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>>
>>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>>
>>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Trade: Nitto Wavie Bar

[Stephen Durfee]

Anyone have an Albatross, Albastache or Choco that they would swap for a 
Wavie?

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Stephen Durfee]

Ooops. Sorry - obviously, I skipped over the past few additions to the 
thread.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-7 Stephen Durfee wrote:

> @dylanthomasgreen, here's your 54 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-hunqapillar/7682361768.html
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:06:34 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> just like the last hunq, this is a 52. I’ve been on the hunt 
>> For a 54 for the last year…so it continues
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 5:21 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> <0_ccmrPRcSB2W_0CI0t2_600x450-1.jpg>
>>
>>
>> It's too bad to see an uncommon Riv frame that was rippled and dimpled by 
>> one owner and left outside *over winter* by the next. Perhaps with the 
>> damage there's some more room to negotiate the price. It would be nice if a 
>> new owner could resurrect it. But I'm worried it's worse than it looks 
>> given the current owner's lack of bicycle savvy (bad pics, missing 
>> important pics, incorrect wheel size). 
>>
>> AFAIK Bernie Mikkelson does repair work for Rivendell (when he can get to 
>> it) and if this frame has been inspected and evaluated by him that would 
>> give me some degree of confidence. Even more if I could call him and he 
>> remembered the frame. 
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That poor Hunq looks like it got overclamped in a repair stand. Clamp 
>>> the seatpost, people! 
>>>
>>> The price is optimistic with the damage and visible rust but it probably 
>>> rides fine. 
>>>
>>> There's no 54cm Hunqapillar with 26-inch wheels, I'm not sure what size 
>>> this frame is. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:02:05 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anybody know more details about this Hunq: 
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7682361768.html?lang=fr=ca
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the funds 
>>>>> to pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that eventual 
>>>>> build!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust Trader. 
>>>>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
>>>>>> Matt in STL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 
>>>>>>> jerry...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, nor 
>>>>>>>> seller known to me)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 11:51:08 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally 
>>>>>>>>> nice buyer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rosco Bubbe
>>>>>>>>>>> 58cm
>>>>>>>>>>> eBay auction
>>>>>>>>>>> Lake Linden, MI
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Stephen Durfee]

@dylanthomasgreen, here's your 54 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-hunqapillar/7682361768.html
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:06:34 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> just like the last hunq, this is a 52. I’ve been on the hunt 
> For a 54 for the last year…so it continues
>
> On Oct 31, 2023, at 5:21 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> <0_ccmrPRcSB2W_0CI0t2_600x450-1.jpg>
>
>
> It's too bad to see an uncommon Riv frame that was rippled and dimpled by 
> one owner and left outside *over winter* by the next. Perhaps with the 
> damage there's some more room to negotiate the price. It would be nice if a 
> new owner could resurrect it. But I'm worried it's worse than it looks 
> given the current owner's lack of bicycle savvy (bad pics, missing 
> important pics, incorrect wheel size). 
>
> AFAIK Bernie Mikkelson does repair work for Rivendell (when he can get to 
> it) and if this frame has been inspected and evaluated by him that would 
> give me some degree of confidence. Even more if I could call him and he 
> remembered the frame. 
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That poor Hunq looks like it got overclamped in a repair stand. Clamp the 
>> seatpost, people! 
>>
>> The price is optimistic with the damage and visible rust but it probably 
>> rides fine. 
>>
>> There's no 54cm Hunqapillar with 26-inch wheels, I'm not sure what size 
>> this frame is. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:02:05 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody know more details about this Hunq: 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7682361768.html?lang=fr=ca
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the funds to 
 pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that eventual build!

 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust Trader. 
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
> Matt in STL
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, nor 
>>> seller known to me)
>>>
>>> $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 11:51:08 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally 
 nice buyer.

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
 wrote:

> Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:
>
>
> https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
> wrote:
>
>> Rosco Bubbe
>> 58cm
>> eBay auction
>> Lake Linden, MI
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>>
>> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] WTB - Wheels for my Homer

[Stephen Durfee]

Hello friends, I'm looking to build up an older Waterford Homer frame that 
recently arrived at my house and need a set of wheels... 700c, 135 rear 
spacing. I suppose I could order up something new, but thought I would 
check the list first. I'm in the SF Bay Area. Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Toyo Atlantis Build Thread

[Stephen Durfee]

Sweet Jolly Rancher Apple, I like that!  Swing it by Dandelion someday if 
you have the chance, I'd love to have a closer look! sd

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
wrote:

> I did have a 26" a while back.  Miss that bike![image: IMG_5922.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 1:35:56 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ah! Ok… sorry, when I zoomed in, I misread the tires as Naches Pass 
>> (which are 26”), instead of Hatcher Pass (700). So I thought it was one of 
>> the 26” models, like my 54.5 Toyo. Great work! Sorry you had to deal with a 
>> damaged frame, but it seems to have all worked out for the best!
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Brendan Willard  wrote:
>>
>> 58!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
>>
>> phantomecellars.com 
>>
>> Speaking in Thumbs 
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:16 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Looks great, Brendan! What size? 53? 54.5?
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_5752.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:07 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_5859.JPG]

 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
 wrote:

> I purchased this low miles Toyo Atlantis from a fellow who had it 
> built up with a bunch of 9 speed era fast roadie parts.  
>
> The bike arrived with a dent in the top tube, so I got a quote from 
> Rick at D, contacted Bike Flights and they had insurance cut a check.
>
> The bike went to Rick and I decided on the Hunq green as I've never 
> been a big fan of the original Atlantis color.  The paint it beautiful, a 
> bit more sparkly green apple than I expected but it's growing on me.  
> It's 
> a good match for my green and white Vans, bike lane paint, green waste 
> bins, and Lime scooters (see the latest Riv email).
>
> I had some mismatched Paul levers, a nice SKF BB, some Salsa Rasta 
> skewers, a Clem wheelset, and some other odds and ends.  Bought a Clipper 
> crankset, a Sycip Singles Bar, some Thumbies, XT V-Brakes, etc.
>
> I don't usually get down with blingy anodized stuff, but I'm really in 
> love with the Rasta skewers and red of the SKF against the green frame.  
> Should I order those anodized Wolftooth bolts?? Hmmm
>
> Anyhooo.  Here it is in front of my wife's N+1 pillow collection and 
> around SF.
> [image: IMG_5855.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[Stephen Durfee]

Piaw, are you saying that you take your Roadini for a 3-week tour?  How 
much gear are you carrying?

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-7 shu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the 
> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame 
> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story, 
> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to 
> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After 
> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike 
> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with either. 
>  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the 
> feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no comparison. 
>  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a 
> weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra bits 
> nullify the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision dilemma as 
> you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all worked out 
> in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.  
>
>
>
> I was going to say --- I wonder how you'll feel when you have to pack this 
> bike for a tour. What got me to not buy a Homer (other than the axle 
> spacing) was that one of my critical use cases is being able to put the 
> bike in a box, fly to a destination, and do a 3 week tour and bring it 
> back. When I mentioned that to  Grant he admitted that it would take a much 
> bigger box than I was willing to put up with to do that.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Silver 2 Shifter w/ Mount, Nexave RR Rear Derailer

[Stephen Durfee]

I would be happy to take the Nexave, if it's still available!  sd

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:15:44 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The shifter has been spoken for. Here are photos of the Nexave. Excellent 
> + condition.
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 5:48:08 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am clearing out a few more things. I will try to get some photos 
>> together.
>>
>>1. Nexave rapid rise rear derailer. This is the kind that Rivendell 
>>has a small stash of and uses only for builds. They sold some awhile ago 
>>but they are long gone. The big pulley version. I picked this up because 
>> I 
>>really wanted to use it on my Clem L but life it life right now and this 
>> is 
>>filed into the "not going to happen anytime soon" category so off it 
>> goes. 
>>I got this one from another RBW member. It came on their proto gallop and 
>>they swapped it out. Brand new when installed and as far as I can tell 
>>there was little miles ever put on it. *$90 shipped*
>>2. Silver 2 shifter with the Riv mount. This is an x shifter for 
>>inside use of the rear or outside mount of the front. Its friction so it 
>>doesn't matter. My plan was to use it on the inside of the bar for the 
>>rear. It has a brass bit that Rivendell sells. I will see if I have the 
>>silver but that came with it. The mount is the Riv handlebar mount. Has 
>> the 
>>shim to so you can use it with any kind of bars. Perfect for a 1x or if 
>> you 
>>just want to do a friction thumb on one side. *$50 shipped*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Stephen Durfee]

I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few 
years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 
26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the 
front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute 
most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the 
bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've 
grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily 
seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
attention. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.
>
> Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, coaster 
> brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used my Bruce 
> Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the rear 
> derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a rusty, 
> nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. 
>
> From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.
> The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of 
> scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. 
> But salt is just wrong.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It 
>> immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time 
>> reflecting on, but never around my bike until now:
>>
>> Die while you are alive, and be absolutely dead. Then do whatever you 
>> want: it's all good. 
>>
>> Your brother sounds like he's got this whole liberation thing down :)))
>>
>> Yours in RivSister solidarity,
>> Danielle
>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:55:52 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Danielle,
>>> Thanks for sharing your story.  It's such a pleasure to read a well 
>>> written tale and I shuddered at the description of your pristine Cheviot 
>>> losing the battle with concrete.  I'm looking forward to the images of 
>>> diaper swaddling!  
>>>
>>> Your story reminded me of some advice my older brother gave my younger 
>>> brother.  Both of them avid outdoorsy hunters/fishers/campers/boaters, they 
>>> drive pick-ups for their adventures.  Younger bro gets a brand new Ford and 
>>> doesn't want to drive a particular road because his new baby is going to 
>>> get scratched.  Older bro says, "Find a track that is overgrown with brush 
>>> and drive your truck through it.  It will get scratched up and you'll never 
>>> have to worry about it again."  So much for precious truck finishes!  (And 
>>> advice from older brothers...ha!)   
>>>
>>> Please keep posting and sharing your new bike decisions & adventures!
>>>
>>> RivSisters,
>>> --Joyce  (who has accepted the beausage on Clem, but is still cringing 
>>> at new scratches on Platy)
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:47:43 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks to all for the kind and thoughtful responses!

 @Jason I get what you're saying and had been thinking about the 
 Albastache for months. I do like the reach on it and the more assertive 
 set 
 up (why does aggressive feel wrong to me in the context of me biking??). 
 What ultimately pulled me away was the brake set up. I put inverse levers 
 on the Porteur and liked having my hand at the levers for my mostly city 
 riding through traffic. Now you've got me thinking about the Albatross 
 upside down :)

 @Jock I too hope he knows how lucky he is! At the time it happened I 
 didn't even mention it to him, knowing how much he'd beat himself up if he 
 knew what happened in a moment of carelessness. We had a riding date out 
 to 
 dinner last night and I mentioned over a beer that I shared this story 
 that 
 he of course didn't remember, having never been told. He asked me to show 
 him my post...I declined :p

 @Johnny Truly appreciate hearing this from someone who's tried both! 
 I'm also really drawn to the beauty of that bar and am dreaming up 
 elaborate bar tape combos a la Grant and Blue Lug. I'm still thinking I 
 might want to shave off a bit the swept back length if it wouldn't 
 compromise anything 

 @Kim Thank you, great advice and wise move, especially thinking of 
 anytime it's put on the rack to accompany us on vacation 

Re: [RBW] Another 26" Atlantis build

[Stephen Durfee]

Looks fantastic so far!   What stem do you currently have?  I might have 
something to trade.

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> *sorry, that should be Nitto NR 20 mini rack... not R20
>
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:05:23 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Ryan - yes, it's a saddlebag support. Nitto R20 canti; made for 26" 
>> wheeled frames. I've grown accustomed to primarily running transverse-style 
>> bags (front and back) instead of racks and panniers, so this was a cute 
>> little buddy that I felt this bike wouldn't be complete without.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice.i guess the tiny rack is for a saddle bag?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:06:25 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Extremely good tones, Brian! 

 Looks like a perfect fit. 

 On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:59:17 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wow ! Nice work. I love the brown leather and gum walls. 
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 1:32 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike, Ryan. Good to go for decades!
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:40 PM Brian Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like these old 26"ers are getting a lot of love around here 
>>> this past week. I thought I'd share mine, even though I still have a 
>>> bit of 
>>> work to get it to where I want it.
>>>
>>> I received this 54.5cm Toyo about two weeks ago, and have slowly 
>>> been adding and subtracting, with lots of bits mostly acquired from 
>>> folks 
>>> in this community. The bike itself was in superb condition. I've taken 
>>> it 
>>> on a couple of easy rides because the housing and cables are in dire 
>>> need 
>>> of replacing, and I just haven't gotten around to that yet... but it 
>>> rides 
>>> like a dream, and seems to fit me really well (I'm 5' 8", with a 83 
>>> PBH, 
>>> riding my saddle height at around 72cm).
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6529.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I added the RH 1.8" Naches Pass tires (measure at 41mm on these 
>>> Mavic X717 rims), installed some Berthoud fenders, and added that 
>>> little 
>>> Nitto bag support on the rear. Next up is a front rack, some wider 
>>> Noodles, 
>>> and a slightly longer stem.
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin'.
>>> -Brian
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[RBW] Re: Homers Going Live in a Few Minutes

[Stephen Durfee]

There's a my-size Waterford built Homer frame on CL that I've been 
wondering aboutis it very different from the newer version? 

On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 4:53:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Let me help.  :-)
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:52:43 AM UTC-6 Dorothy C wrote:
>
> I have been wondering all week what G.A.S. meant, and ran across it on the 
> Path Less Pedalled Sam thread - gear acquisition sydrome... the Purchase 
> Justification Machine I have 5 Rivendells now, and I am trying to quell 
> the urge to replace sizes on two of them where technically the next 
> size up would be a better fit and would open up 27.5 mountain bike tire 
> sizes... my Appaloosa is one of 2 bikes I own that can squeeze inside my 
> Scion xB
>
>
> What you need is a circa 2006-8 Saluki, which was the old name for the 
> Homer.  650 wheels, but shorter chainstays so it will fit your car (and 
> give you some variety) and was available in the same butternut/mustard 
> brown/yellow that the new batch of homers comes in.  Maybe by the time you 
> find one, your desire will have cooled off.   Probably not, but always good 
> to have a reason not to make spontaneous purchases - even ones you won't  
> regret.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Rivendell Bicycle Works catalogs for sale on GRINGINEER

[Stephen Durfee]

Wow!  Thanks Johnny Alien!  btw, still loving the blue Stamp pedals

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:30:38 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> https://notfine.com/rivreader/
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Are these catalogs available anywhere online in PDF form?
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing, Kim. 
>>>
>>> In case anyone's interested, those are the first three catalogs, there 
>>> is not a catalog labelled "No. 2," (apparently one of Grant's jokes). 
>>>
>>> The price is reasonable, those early ones are hard to find. They look 
>>> like they're in pretty good shape! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 These is currently up for sale three different vintage Rivendell 
 Bicycle Works catalogs on the Gringineer website:


 https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-summer-1996-catalogue.html
 https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-4.html
 https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-3.html

 I have no interest in buying them. Maybe someone else would be 
 interested.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Rivendell Bicycle Works catalogs for sale on GRINGINEER

[Stephen Durfee]

Are these catalogs available anywhere online in PDF form?
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing, Kim. 
>
> In case anyone's interested, those are the first three catalogs, there is 
> not a catalog labelled "No. 2," (apparently one of Grant's jokes). 
>
> The price is reasonable, those early ones are hard to find. They look like 
> they're in pretty good shape! 
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> These is currently up for sale three different vintage Rivendell Bicycle 
>> Works catalogs on the Gringineer website:
>>
>>
>> https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-summer-1996-catalogue.html
>> https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-4.html
>> https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-3.html
>>
>> I have no interest in buying them. Maybe someone else would be interested.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Stephen Durfee]

Ok all, the weekend is approaching, so I'm going to propose the
following...

Let's start in the Mission, ride out the Wiggle and do a loop through GGP,
then down OceanBeach/Great Highway to Lake Merced, then back up and through
the Park and back to the Mission. It's an easy ride - I have to work at
10:30, so would ask that we meet at Dandelion Chocolate, at 16th and
Alabama, depart at 8:00. When we get back, the hot chocolate will be on me.
sd


On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 7:13 AM Diana H  wrote:

> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm
> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel.
>
> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for
> anything up to ~30 miles.
>
> Diana
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here
>> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody
>> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>>
 First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay
 area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area
 recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas!
>>>
>>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called
>>> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>>
>>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good
>>> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never
>>> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
>>>
>>> Piaw
>>>
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Stephen Durfee]

Ok all, the weekend is approaching, so I'm going to propose the 
following... 

Let's start in the Mission, ride out the Wiggle and do a loop through GGP, 
then down OceanBeach/Great Highway to Lake Merced, then back up and through 
the Park and back to the Mission. It's an easy ride - I have to work at 
10:30, so would ask that we meet at Dandelion Chocolate, at 16th and 
Alabama, depart at 8:00. When we get back, the hot chocolate will be on me. 
sd
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 
>
> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
> anything up to ~30 miles.
>
> Diana
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
>> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
>> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>>
 First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
 area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
 recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>>>
>>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called 
>>> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>>
>>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good 
>>> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never 
>>> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
>>>
>>> Piaw
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Stephen Durfee]

Diane, do you want to join me on the ride thru GGP (posted above)?Be an Ac✝️ion heroOn Aug 4, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Diana H  wrote:No worries. If somebody else decides a 10-15 mile ride I'll join for that. Just post a time and place!On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:Ooh! I love Three Bears! Unfortunately I am still recovering/getting back into shape. I like the idea of stopping along the way for food and drinks. Luke, where was the ride you had planned?On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Dan Bluestein  wrote:I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this weekend. Next time, though!--dan (Oakland)On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for anything up to ~30 miles.DianaOn Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.Piaw-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e0473675-b344-4733-bb79-2e0a5249e7fcn%40googlegroups.com.



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[RBW] Re: FS Sackville Saddlebag

[Stephen Durfee]

Hi Carla - is that a banana sack? Thanks sd

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 10:03:13 AM UTC-7 Carla Waugh wrote:

> Good shape 60 plus shipping

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