[RBW] Re: Teach me about sealant in tubes?

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Tubes have to be built with removable valve cores from the start. You can't 
swap them out, as it's the entire valve that is different. It's hit or miss 
at a LBS when you're trying to find them, so check first.

I've run Stan's in tubes before, and have had marginal success. Maybe 75% 
of the punctures (all goathead) sealed. But that means the other 25% 
didn't, and that's a problem. You can't field-repair a tube with sealant in 
it, as the patch won't adhere to the tube. You can patch it back at home if 
you get it clean enough, but it could still be a problem. YMMV of course.

Full tubeless is the way to go. Save your pennies and get a wheelset built 
up. I am mostly converted over, and honestly don't ride the bikes that are 
not set up tubeless anymore.

On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 9:30:17 AM UTC-8, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> Thanks for the notes, very helpful. Did you remove the valve cores from 
> another set of tubes, or are they available as a part on their own? 
>
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 9:22:33 AM UTC-8, DarinM wrote:
>>
>> I have used sealant in tubes for 6-8 months. I use standard Stan's 
>> sealant in Schwalbe tubes for 26x54 and 650bx42 tires and have not had a 
>> flat I had to stop and deal with since starting. The tubes have removable 
>> cores, which I remove and then use the Stan's injector to add 2-3oz. I 
>> think I topped them off once before a tour as a precaution. 
>>
>> I've been using sealant with Compass standard and various Schwalbe, 
>> including the Liteskin casing which is very thin. I think it's been pretty 
>> effective.
>>
>> I've noticed that the sealant is still very much liquid when handling the 
>> tube while changing tires, so longevity hasn't been an issue for me. I have 
>> had to swap valve cores on one set of tubes when pumping started taking a 
>> little too much effort.
>>
>> Darin
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 7:53:44 AM UTC-8, Brett Callahan wrote:
>>>
>>> Friends, I know it has been discussed here before, but I'm awful with 
>>> the Google Groups search function. Would anyone be willing to share about 
>>> their experience using Stan's or Orange Seal in tubes? 
>>>
>>> I've got a set of Compass tires that I'd like to ride, but it seems they 
>>> always have a slow leak from a small puncture. From what I gather, sealant 
>>> in the tubes may help combat that. 
>>>
>>> Specific questions are: which sealant do you use? Which tubes do you 
>>> pair it with? With a tube with a removable valve core, do I need to do 
>>> anything specific to get it in, or just up end the bottle? How much do you 
>>> put in in a go? 
>>>
>>> Thanks for any willing to share their knowledge. I appreciate the brain 
>>> trust that is this group. 
>>>
>>> Brett, PDX
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

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This is great, Philip! Way to rule the internets! 

I came to Rivendell via B'Stone and iBOB, but from the dirty side. It 
started with my MB-2 purchased from Beverly Hills Bikes that was my go-to 
ride for many years. So my tastes were formed in the Proto era, but my 
finances didn't catch up till the Golden era when I was able to commission 
a Joe/Joe custom in 2001. I also had an original Bleriot (shoulda' kept 
that one), a second (used) '01 Joe/Joe custom, and have had three different 
Quickbeams. My wife had a Glorius, and I would still like to find a larger 
one for me! My tastes lean toward single top tubes and shorter stays, and 
would love to have a Legolas. 

But enough about me...


On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Bleriot

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89 PBH checking in, 61cm Bleriot was perfect for me.

Great bike and price! I loved my Bleriot... should not have sold it when I 
did!


On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 8:12:33 AM UTC-7, patrick ryan wrote:
>
> John G-  I can check the weight when I return to my apartment next 
> Friday.  I really can not even venture a guess.
>
> Someone had asked about the bike's location.  It is in Fremont, CA, until 
> Sept. 2.  I will then move to San Diego.
>
> To clarify for all, I felt OK riding the bike, but thought the sizing 
> chart indicated the 61 cm was the largest made, so thought it may have been 
> too big.  Seems like a lot of people with the same PBH have done fine with 
> the 61.
>
> Thanks for all the nice comments.
>
> Best regards,
> Pat
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 5:05:45 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>>
>> I can't believe I'm asking this about a Rivendell, but what does the 
>> built up frame weigh? I was suffering  on the hills on my Crust LB this 
>> weekend, and might be in the market for a lighter 650B bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 4:46:06 PM UTC-4, Virgil Staphbeard 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Those were my thoughts, a 61 seem on par for an 89 PBH.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 4:19:33 PM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:

 [image: fullsizeoutput_458.jpeg]
 hmmm...do I need a spare? I have a 61 Bleriot and love it.  FYI...my 
 pbh is also 89 and I find the size perfect for me.  In fact it's probably 
 the smallest bike I own.  


>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Rivendell Glorius

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Interesting story: Upon arrival of the bike, Andy asks me politely if the 
seat, front brake, and other misc. parts were included in the sale. 
Whaat??? Apparently at some point of the journey north, the secondary 
box containing all the parts I took off for packing found a new home. I'm 
picturing the chest-buster scene from Alien, but that's how my mind works. 

I contacted Bike Flights with the claim over the weekend, and they got back 
to me Monday. I forwarded them the pictures of the parts before shipping, 
and the ones Andy took of the tampered-with box. By Tuesday morning they 
issued me a credit for the missing parts! 

Satisfied Bike Flights customer!!!

Keep an eye out on ebay for a Brooks B18 and a Paul Racer front brake... 
you know where they came from!

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 5:19:36 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Another Rivendell soon to be heading up to the PNW! 
>
> Thanks for all the interest in it!
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:32 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Sale is pending!!!
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:00 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the time has come to let it go. I got the okay this morning, after 
>>> a few years of deliberation. Over those two years, it has been ridden maybe 
>>> twice. Prior to that, it was ridden for short hops around town. Literally 
>>> from our house to downtown, which is about 1/2 a mile.
>>>
>>> Here's an early write up and photos of it: 
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc294-davidestes0407.html
>>>
>>> This is literally one of the most beautiful bikes I've ever seen. The 
>>> lug-work, color, and paint are of course gorgeous, but the B18 Lady 
>>> saddle , Nitto 
>>> heat-treated aluminum bars (forget model), Nitto hand-brazed water 
>>> bottle cage 
>>> 
>>> , Peterboro basket 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> and Honjo fenders absolutely make it pop. Also fancy Paul Racer 
>>> centerpulls, which hey, they're awesome!
>>>
>>> The 56cm size doesn't really correspond to a traditional bike, and it 
>>> can fit anyone that would normally ride between a 52 and a 62cm frame. The 
>>> sloping top tube, and use of swept back bars give it a huge amount of 
>>> adjustability. 
>>>
>>> It is set up as a 1X9 system, with SR indexing thumb lever. Rivendell/Rich 
>>> Lesnik/Hands On Wheels 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> built 650B wheels with Rigida Sphinx 36 spoke rims. Grand Bois Hetre tires 
>>> are in good condition, with center tread worn. The downtube shifting boss 
>>> on the left side is naked, and could use some bling. I had a bell on there 
>>> at one time, but it must have moved to another bike. 
>>>
>>> I'll get around to putting it on ebay with a BIN listing, but would 
>>> prefer to sell it here. $1,600 including personal delivery in SoCal. 
>>> Otherwise shipped via Bikeflights, which will be $100 to $125 (actual cost 
>>> only). I don't want to have to pack and ship it, so hope someone in the 
>>> general area is interested!!!
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions, and feel free to forward 
>>> this to anyone you think would be interested!
>>>
>>> Don't let this one get away! One of the rarest Rivendell frames out 
>>> there, and in pristine condition! 
>>>
>>> More pics here: Glorius Album 
>>> 
>>>
>>> and the most recent one (different saddle and cork grips, otherwise good 
>>> representation):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

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Done! 

I only knew about it from Esteban posting on IG as the email went to my 
spam folder. I bet that is the case for many of those 15,000 unopened 
messages. 

I also posted it on some other forums I frequent, and recommended doing the 
same!

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Ibex shutting down?!?!?!

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That's a shame, they have some of the best wool in the business IMHO. I 
like their light weight range of tops, they're perfect for warm SoCal 
riding year round.

Via con Dios Ibexerinos.

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 7:49:29 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I am surprised. I always thought of them as the #1 merino activewear 
> company. Wonder what happened?
>
> Love their wool shirts and cycling gear. Too bad.
>
>
> https://www.ibex.com/end-of-the-trail-letter?utm_source=bronto_medium=email_term=Read+the+Press+Release+from+our+CEO_content=E-Commerce_campaign=F17+-+End+of+the+Trail&_bta_tid=16404645531401959410916018114026546052919608574358867909356704848712576047501655125436130813658994462200585
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[RBW] Re: Vintage and Bicycle Quarterly Magazine Lot

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Magazines have found a new home, thank you for the interest!!!

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 2:23:42 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> All have been read and flipped through several times. Not pristine, but 
> have been shelved out of the way inside. Not abused by any means. 
> 29 issues of VBQ and BQ for sale. $125 shipped (media rate) in North 
> America. Just in time for your mid-winter readings during the long winter 
> nights! A little more if you want them shipped Priority.
>
>- Vol 2, Num 1
>- Vol 2, Num 2
>- Vol 2, Num 3
>- Vol 2, Num 4
>- Vol 4, Num 4
>- Vol 5, Num 1
>- Vol 5, Num 2
>- Vol 5, Num 3
>- Vol 5, Num 4
>- Vol 6, Num 1
>- Vol 6, Num 2
>- Vol 6, Num 3
>- Summer 2008
>- Autumn 2008
>- Winter 2008
>- Spring 2009
>- Summer 2009
>- Autumn 2009
>- Winter 2009
>- Spring 2010
>- Summer 2010
>- Autumn 2010
>- Winter 2010
>- Spring 2011
>- Summer 2011
>- Winter 2011
>- Spring 2012
>- Summer 2012
>- Autumn 2012
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> -- 
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Lugged S-84 Seatpost

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In used condition. Low miles though. Some scuffing on post, no zig-zaging. 
Your Rivendell is calling out for this bit of lugged goodness!
27.2 X 250mm with a 40mm offset.

$100 shipped to you anywhere in North America (I see you, Canada...).


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[RBW] Re: Found Stolen Riv in LA - Help me find the owner!

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Thank you for doing this, Philip! Great bit of public service there. I hope 
it can be reunited!

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 8:42:43 AM UTC-7, Philip Meyer wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm not a Riv owner, but I have a Riv owner's bike right now and want to 
> reunite it with him or her. 
>
> It is an early 2000s, custom road bike, 61.5 seat tube length, light blue 
> with "Rivendell" on the downtube and a Riv head badge. 9 speed with a 
> mixture of Dura Ace 7700 and Ultegra with an XTR MD-950 rear derailleur. 
> Thud buster seatpost and avocet saddle. I contacted RBW about the bike - 
> they said that the serial number indicates it was built by Waterford, but 
> they didn't have records of who the owner was. There are rack braze ons on 
> the seatstay but no rack and no fork braze ons. 
>
> I came across this bike on the side of the road in central LA. The person 
> who had it was selling it for a price so low that I can't imagine it's 
> anything but stolen. After hemming and hawing, I decided to buy it in hopes 
> of returning it to its owner. 
>
> Photo attached - please message me if you have any idea who the owner 
> might be. Thanks!
>
> Philip Meyer
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

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Thanks Adam, I PM'ed you the info.

Price has dropped on The Bay... would prefer to sell local!


On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-7, adam leibow wrote:
>
> David, 
>
> Regarding that previous message I sent you, I forgot I just broke my 
> phone, so email is best. Thank you!!
>
> Adam
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom 
>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown 
>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good 
>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the 
>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh). 
>>
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f) 
>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to mount, 
>>ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>
>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened 
>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I 
>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever 
>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been 
>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a 
>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a 
>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>
>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I mentioned, 
>> it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been riding 
>> almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride roads, I 
>> am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B tires. If 
>> I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with thicker tubing 
>> and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as well...
>>
>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that 
>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other 
>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently 
>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for 
>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>
>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one of 
>> multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar low 
>> miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion. 
>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my 
>> fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used 
>> when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most 
>> part) on roads. 
>>
>> I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It 
>> performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a 
>> B-sized fleet and want to add to it.
>>
>> Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like the 
>> Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could 
>> possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.
>>
>> More pics on request!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2] 
>>
>> [image: Inline image 3]
>>
>> -- 
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>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

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BTW, looking at the Rivbike geometry charts 
<https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry>, I would say it is pretty close to 
the exact geometry of the 61cm Roadeo 
<https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/roadeo>. You may 
notice the price of the Roadeo, and compare that to mine.

FYI, tires aren't that great. Lots of tread (really, I didn't ride this 
bike), but the sidewalls are going.


On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 9:46:48 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Some nibbles, but no transaction yet. Adam Smith says I need to lower the 
> price on this 22lbs go-fast bike.
>
> So $2100 shipped, but I'll also include either a Brooks Professional 
> saddle OR B17, your choice. Drop in price $100 and $100 value added, not 
> bad!
>
> $2000 local pick up. Payment via Paypal F or a paper check.
>
> If no interest at this price point, I guess I can try ebay. Maybe sell to 
> one of those $100 water bottle people!!!
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:38 AM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom 
>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown 
>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good 
>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the 
>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh). 
>>
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f) 
>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to mount, 
>>ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>
>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened 
>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I 
>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever 
>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been 
>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a 
>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a 
>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>
>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I mentioned, 
>> it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been riding 
>> almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride roads, I 
>> am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B tires. If 
>> I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with thicker tubing 
>> and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as well...
>>
>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that 
>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other 
>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently 
>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for 
>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>
>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one of 
>> multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar low 
>> miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion. 
>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my 
>> fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used 
>> when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most 
>> part) on roads. 
>>
>> I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It 
>> performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a 
>> B-sized fleet and want to add to it.
>>
>> Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like the 
>> Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could 
>> possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.
>>
>> More pics on request!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2] 
>>
>> [image: Inline image 3]

[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

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I really do love this bike. But it's literally hanging in the garage 
collecting dust and cobwebs. I'm not just blowing smoke when I say that 
it's a joy to ride. Definitely faster and spryer than my other bikes. And 
having it built by the same guy in the same year as my other custom build 
was just a great bonus. My other custom is definitely stouter and designed 
to be a trail/multi-surface bike. 

If anyone is interested, transportation up the 101 as far north as Santa 
Cruz can be arranged. Will happily knock $100 off the price.

I also have a Brooks B17 Champion Special as well as a Professional that 
arrangements can be made for. More saddles than I can sit on at one time!

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:18:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Can't believe you're getting rid of thisI'm sure it'll make someone 
> very happy!Nice build. Hopefully there will be no seller's remorse
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom 
>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown 
>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good 
>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the 
>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh). 
>>
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f) 
>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to mount, 
>>ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>
>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened 
>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I 
>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever 
>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been 
>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a 
>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a 
>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>
>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I mentioned, 
>> it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been riding 
>> almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride roads, I 
>> am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B tires. If 
>> I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with thicker tubing 
>> and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as well...
>>
>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that 
>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other 
>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently 
>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for 
>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>
>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one of 
>> multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar low 
>> miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion. 
>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my 
>> fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used 
>> when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most 
>> part) on roads. 
>>
>> I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It 
>> performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a 
>> B-sized fleet and want to add to it.
>>
>> Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like the 
>> Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could 
>> possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.
>>
>> More pics on request!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2] 
>>
>> [image: Inline image 3]
>>
>> -- 
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>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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Doug, That's my friend Bryn's bike! You rode with her and Arlo at least 
once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469017732/
 
Here's a photo to show how fast she can go on 
it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469041906/ 

The frame was made in the transitional years after Joe Stark and Curt 
Goodrich stopped building, and when Grant was trying on different builders 
for size. Richard Sachs built three Rivendell customs, of which this is 
frame number two (RS2).
If it fits you or someone you care about, would be a GREAT road bike. 
Classic road geometry, fits a 32mm. I always kept bugging her to do a 650B 
conversion on it, as I think it begs for one! Classic garage queen, she 
rides her MTB and now her Salsa XC bike a lot more. This one has had 
probably less than 50 miles since purchasing the Salsa in 2010. Unmentioned 
is that it also has a TA Zephyr triple crankset, the best crankset ever 
made according to some highly biased people.

They are flexible on price, so don't let the asking price scare you off. 
They're hoping for an off-shore collector type with petro-dollars to burn 
that will swoop in and grab it. If that's not you, drop 'em a line and work 
something out!


On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:46:43 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> All things considered, this one could be considered a collector's item.  
> Hopefully someone will jump on it & ride it.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:39:20 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-built-custom/6238145416.html
>>
>> Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!
>>
>> Ride Safely,
>> Beaverton Bob
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen - 64 cm Atlantis - Phoenix

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Great news, Todd!

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 11:13:27 PM UTC-7, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>
> Thank you, Carla!  I received good news this week - the Phoenix PD found 
> my bikes at a local pawn shop and took them into custody.  The wheels of 
> justice turn very slowly here and it looks like it will be 3 months before 
> I get them back (no conjugal visits allowed :)), but am happy that I will 
> eventually have them back.
>
> On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 8:24:27 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>>
>> Todd I hope you find your Atlantis!
>
>

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[RBW] PSA: 58cm Orange Quickbeam FS in San Diego

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https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/6177112686.html

I don't think this was posted yet, apologies if it was. Looks like a good 
bike with a couple of extra shiny bits on it. Ahern bars, Paul Comp brakes. 
Worn paint, ugly seat post, questionable sticker on top tube (what's he 
hiding in there?). Stock crankset and probably wheels. No affiliation with 
the seller, just love 'Beams!

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[RBW] Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

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You may have seen this already, but just a 
reminder: https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/

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[RBW] Re: Opinion on Jitensha Bar

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The Jitensha bars work great, but if you want higher/wider, go with the 
MAPs. MAPS are more versatile as you can run your stem lower if they're too 
high, and even cut them down if too wide. 

On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 7:39:16 AM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> I am in my late forties and am starting to feel my back getting more sore 
> on and off the bike.  So I have been messing around with different bars. 
>  I'm doing it on my non-quill trucker so it is pretty easy to swap stuff 
> around.  I am not sure I like the hand position on the albatross, meaning 
> that I am not sure I like the large amount of sweep.  
>
> I wanted to try a bar with less sweep like the Jitensha or the Ahearn MAP 
> bar.  I also noticed a heron bar on the blue lug site which is like the 
> Jitensha .  I like the idea of a little rise which the Jitensha doesn't 
> have.  I would use the bike for riding around town and commuting.  I would 
> possibly do an extended tour with this bar also.
>
> Anybody have any pros and cons or experience with a different bar?  Any 
> input on a nice width?  The Jitensha (Nitto 2552) is 570mm and the Heron 
> (Nitto B354) is 630mm.
>
> Best,
> Scott
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Ha! Those look like fat Rolly-Polies! Love 'em!

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 3:44:40 PM UTC-7, a3inverter wrote:
>
> Also consider the Soma Supple Vitesse in 700x42c.  Very nice ride.
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 11:42:43 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Leslie, I have MSOs and my Quickbeam... GREAT tires! Don't need the tread 
>> though, and want the extra 2mm if I can get it!
>>
>> So, I obsessively swapped out tires in the dark tonight (no lights in 
>> bike shed!). The Nomads I forgot I had (first world problems) fit 
>> perfectly! A purely subjective, five minute ride, first with the stoker and 
>> then without, makes me think these are perfect! Just the feel I was looking 
>> for. Getting close to that firm marshmallow ride that eluded me to this 
>> point! The Nomads are fantastic with a bit more pressure. Sidewall says max 
>> 80psi, so that's what I went to (Remember, close to 400lbs of team + rig). 
>> Their sidewalls are definitely thinner than the LBBs, but I believe I can 
>> feel the difference in cush (no, not Kush... at least not till November). 
>> Will probably degrade in my shed, as I don't get along well with skinwall 
>> tires. Measure 41.8 on 25mm rims. All systems are go!
>>
>> Thanks for the recommendations, worked out great! Might have some LBBs 
>> for sale, but will probably keep for back ups. 
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Leslie  wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely love my Clement MSO's, in 700c-40, would suggest giving 
>>> them a try perhaps.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 6:14:46 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:

 Hi all, I'm wondering if there are any tires slightly larger than the 
 Little Big Bens I'm using now. Those measure about 38mm, and I have room 
 for a bit more. Would like to maximize flotation! I know there are the 
 Marathon Supremes listed at 42mm (40mm actual is my guess), and those are 
 probably my go-to tires. Just wondering if there is anything else out 
 there? These are for a tandem, so need to handle 80-85psi and a 400lbs 
 weight FWIW.
 Thanks!

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>>
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Re: [RBW] 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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Bill, if you could pull off the timing, that would be awesome! Even if it 
doesn't coincide w/ the event, drop a line and we'll have a big to-do!

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 3:24:35 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I get a 6-week paid sabbatical in 2017.  I'm thinking about burning a 
> couple weeks of that on a solo bike tour.  My easy concept is to do the 
> coast route from SF to LA, and visit my mom.  My more adventurous option is 
> to do the Sierra Cascades Route and visit my mom.  I ordered maps for both 
> options from Adventure Cycling and they arrived today.  My exit from the 
> Sierra Cascades Route would be Yucaipa.  The Sierra Cascades route 
> intersects Strada Rossa in two places.  That would be a fun side trip near 
> the end of a tour.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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René, would be great if you could come down! We have plenty of sofa-lodging 
available, and if that's not your thing, motels. Philip has come down 
before, maybe you can talk him into carpooling south!

Routes change every year, intentionally. 

Here is this year's: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/12362448
2015: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/7148234
2014: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/4102226 

You can see the similarities, but they are really quite different. I think 
this year's was the best. They're all going to be about 60 miles, and have 
approximately 6,000 ft of climbing. That's the magic ratio of 10:1,000 to 
let you know you're on an interesting ride! 

The BIG built in for all the routes, is that there are multiple good 
options to cut the route short, and just meander back under your own power 
and still enjoy the day. I think just about everyone that has done the ride 
has taken advantage of on of those pinch points to bypass a chunk of the 
route, but still stay on the course. Shared experience among riders is a 
big goal, so we want people to be on the same course no matter how much 
they ride.

There is usually a shorter, 50 km/30 mile route option available. Last year 
there was also a 100 mile route, but that stretched our resources a bit too 
much. May not happen this year, too early to say.

Here are some great photos to build up some 
enthusiasm: 
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=redlands%20strada%20rossa=date-posted-desc
 

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 12:52:17 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Is it the same route every year?
>
> I penciled it down in my calendar, but work like to know more. Route map? 
> Route options? Elevation gain, etc. 
>
> It's a6 hours drive for me, so required planning, lodging, etc. to 
> consider. 
>
> René
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016, cyclot...@gmail.com  <
> cyclot...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Fourth year... We're no longer toddlers! RSR is a fun, challenging, 
>> exhausting, and amazing event. It partly developed from some of the SoCal 
>> Riv Rides that happen occasionally. The idea is to put chunks of dirt 
>> together with nice on-road connectors. 100km/62 miles to make it 
>> challenging, but doable without super-athletic training. Need a bike that 
>> can go anywhere. Self-paced. Sound like anyone you know???
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 1:42:01 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent event, great post event party. Plenty of options. '17 will be 
>>> year 4, right? 
>>>
>>> Doug p
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

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Only positive responses from the shops. Interestingly the older guys are 
kind of neutral, the younger ones tend to really appreciate it. On the 
trails only positive, mixed in with amazement "Your rode up here on 
that?!?!?!" from the MTB crowd.

Funniest anecdote was when another rider at a rest stop one day told me I 
would be faster with clip in pedals/shoes. He was possibly right, I 
chuckled to myself riding off on the Quickbeam, thinking that adding 28 
more gear ratios would make me faster as well.


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 5:44:59 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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Fourth year... We're no longer toddlers! RSR is a fun, challenging, 
exhausting, and amazing event. It partly developed from some of the SoCal 
Riv Rides that happen occasionally. The idea is to put chunks of dirt 
together with nice on-road connectors. 100km/62 miles to make it 
challenging, but doable without super-athletic training. Need a bike that 
can go anywhere. Self-paced. Sound like anyone you know???



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>
> Excellent event, great post event party. Plenty of options. '17 will be 
> year 4, right? 
>
> Doug p
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Re: [RBW] Re: The first of what we hope are several very interesting reviews of the Clementine, from Lovely Bicycle

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She's working at GRRM's writing pace! We want our book/review now!!!

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 6:29:52 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Zed
> Thanks for the clarifications.  You said everything in 1 
> paragraph.  Lovely Bicycle took more than 2 pages, along with pics, did not 
> approach your review, and still needs more time!!!John   One got to 
> question LB on the length of time.  All summer, and the review is not 
> done???  GMAB.
> I think the RBWs are great, although I don't have one. My 88 Panasonic 
> Schwinn Voyaguer rides fine and is set up in a RBW fashion.
> What do you think accounts for the fact your times are as good as or 
> better than your other bikes, and why do you enjoy the Clem more?
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>  
>  
>  
> On 09/08/16, Zed Martinez wrote:
>  
> John, she does say it's not the review itself. Just some initial thoughts 
> since she's already had it so long while she tries to finish figuring out 
> what makes it ride like it does without having to use the word 'magic,' and 
> also to test it's haulin' abilities a bit more. Personally, I can say with 
> 3000 miles on mine I agree with everything she's said in those initial 
> impressions. I look forward to her formal review, they have historically 
> been pretty good. It was her review of the Simcoe Roadster Signature that 
> convinced me to plunk on one a couple years back for riding with my 
> then-fiancée instead of cheaping down to the (then much better than now) 
> Trek Allant for that use.
>
> I will go ahead and go where she won't though, the Clem is magic. It's my 
> heaviest and upright bike. It feels like I'm going slower and more relaxed 
> every time I ride it, but my times are all as good as they were on any 
> other bike I've been through, sometimes faster, and I'm happier riding it 
> farther than I am any of the others. Mine's been down this week as I have 
> the front wheel rebuilt, so, I've been riding my original commuter and my 
> Simcoe, and they both just feel a little... meh, now. I think the Clem's 
> ruining other bikes for me.
>
> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 9:01:44 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Zed
>>
>> I was referring to the "Lovely Bicycle" review.  Frankly, the write ups 
>> by the list members are better.  The review seemed to have wandered.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 6:57:18 PM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>>> pb - I use mine with a shorter stem (10cm, not 12 or 13cm) and don't 
>>> have any problem with flex. The long stems plus the Clem still slightly 
>>> confuse me for most uses, the whole reason for the extra length of the 
>>> Clem's effective top tube length I gathered from the long development 
>>> history was so you could use the Boscos comfortably without having to use 
>>> the longest stem going. My 52cm Clem with 10cm stem is about the same as 
>>> using the Boscos as a 54cm Hunq with a 13cm stem on paper.
>>>
>>> John - Which reviewer, Velouria (lovelybicycle) or Annie? Velouria has a 
>>> weird history with Rivs, but she's probably the biggest blogger going in 
>>> the non standard bike scene, she has ridden and reviewed a lot of bikes in 
>>> the Clem demographic.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 7:26:19 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:


 http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html


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[RBW] Re: 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Thanks for that one, Chris. 

I'm going to mount up the Nomads languishing in storage. I quit running 
 them on my single because at lower pressure they really flopped during 
cornering and that was a bit disconcerting. I think at the higher pressures 
I'd be running on a tandem, they will do great. I don't recall how big they 
got, at least 40. Maybe 42 I can't find anything listing max pressure 
recommendation for them, hopefully 80psi won't be too much. That will also 
let me judge better if the 45mm (nominal) Supremes would fit. That would be 
sweet!

To reiterate, nothing wrong at all with the Little Big Bens. They're just a 
touch below would I can fit and therefore want to max out capacity. They 
measure right at 38mm on the casing, measured between the sipping in the 
tread. Their thicker tread would probably feel a bit clunky on a single, 
but on the tandem with the extra weight and higher pressure, they feel 
good. 


On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Surly has a new tire out called ExtraTerrestrial and it's being compared 
> favorably with the Mondial.  It first came out in a 26" x 2.5" version and 
> now a 29" x 2.5" but I've read that a 700c x 40 version is in the works. 
>  Supposedly a bombproof tire with surprising performance.  You might check 
> out some reviews to see if it's something you might be interested in 
> waiting for.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 5:14:46 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I'm wondering if there are any tires slightly larger than the 
>> Little Big Bens I'm using now. Those measure about 38mm, and I have room 
>> for a bit more. Would like to maximize flotation! I know there are the 
>> Marathon Supremes listed at 42mm (40mm actual is my guess), and those are 
>> probably my go-to tires. Just wondering if there is anything else out 
>> there? These are for a tandem, so need to handle 80-85psi and a 400lbs 
>> weight FWIW.
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Bill, I've thought about those, great tires, right! But am just a touch 
reluctant to have them on a tandem. The LBBs are just a little too 
overkill, and I think the BPs would be a little under. The Supremes are 
probably just right, but checking my options before I go on a Bike24 buying 
spree! It's an upright meander about sort of tandem, so really it's just me 
being picky...
Thanks!

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 3:32:49 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If it were me, I would at least consider Standard Casing Barlow Pass 
> 700x38 if I wanted more cush.  On a tandem I can certainly understand 
> preferring to go armored, though
>
> Bill
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 3:14:46 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I'm wondering if there are any tires slightly larger than the 
>> Little Big Bens I'm using now. Those measure about 38mm, and I have room 
>> for a bit more. Would like to maximize flotation! I know there are the 
>> Marathon Supremes listed at 42mm (40mm actual is my guess), and those are 
>> probably my go-to tires. Just wondering if there is anything else out 
>> there? These are for a tandem, so need to handle 80-85psi and a 400lbs 
>> weight FWIW.
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Hi all, I'm wondering if there are any tires slightly larger than the 
Little Big Bens I'm using now. Those measure about 38mm, and I have room 
for a bit more. Would like to maximize flotation! I know there are the 
Marathon Supremes listed at 42mm (40mm actual is my guess), and those are 
probably my go-to tires. Just wondering if there is anything else out 
there? These are for a tandem, so need to handle 80-85psi and a 400lbs 
weight FWIW.
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 48cm Canti Hillborne on Los Angeles/OC Craigslist

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Ha!

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> Tiny, orange, 650b, cantis...what's not to love? 
>
> (Except maybe that stem.)
>
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5734423335.html
>
> Not mine, no affiliation, etc.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Mythical Beasts

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And where to find them.

Yes, Richard Sachs made some fin de siècle Rivendell customs. Here's the 
second example of one:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4460870123/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3386542024/



On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 10:41:29 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> During a conversation this evening the question came up of interim 
> builders for custom Rivendells. I have always heard speculation that at 
> some point Rivendell found itself with out a frame builder and calls were 
> made to friends in the industry to fill the gap. The name I usually hear 
> mentioned is Richard Sachs and have even heard that his frames have RS 
> stamped on the bottom bracket. I have also heard Albert Eisentraut 
> mentioned. Does anyone know the story here? Or better, OWN one of these 
> frames. A small but interesting piece of Riv history.
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?

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Hi Hunter, there is no rule that says no, you can't use an AHH as a loaded 
tourer. Load it up and go! The only downsides are that the frame will be 
really flexy with all that weight, and tire size is limited (especially 
with fenders). But people have gone touring with flexy bikes and skinny 
tires for the last 120 years, so you'll be fine. 



The flip side is, if you want a solid bike when you're weighed down, and 
want some fat tires with fenders, I think you'll feel limited with an AHH. 
An Atlantis would be the better bike to address those shortcomings. My 
recommendation would be to get an Atlantis for what you mentioned. If you 
want the one bike that does it all, that's the way to go. 

YMMV of course.

On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 11:15:06 PM UTC-7, Hunter Ellis wrote:
>
> Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might 
> as well dream. 
>
> I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for 
> a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in 
> real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me)
>
> Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! 
> Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported 
> long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, 
> ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something 
> like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. 
>
> Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or 
> know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob 
> member" Ellis
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

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That's great, Eric! Should fit you fine.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:00:42 AM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> i'm giving the (what appears to be a 62cm) simpleone on eBay a try! i'll 
> keep you all apprised of how the size works out. as always, thanks to 
> everyone on the list for their expertise!
>
> eric
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:43:50 AM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>>>
>>> As a Simpleone owner who has had both a 62 and 60 I will say that you 
>>> should seriously consider tire size before picking one if you are between 
>>> sizes. 
>>>
>>
>> I agree. I have an 88.5 PBH and rode a 60 QB comfortably, but there was a 
>> noticeable difference in top tube clearance between 33's and 40's.
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca 
>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for, 
which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.

Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and 
ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI 
down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill. 
A casual pace will be maintained!

Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in on 
that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and hoped 
for, actually!
More details to follow!

Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into 
place perfectly!!!




On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

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They're still little, imagine he'll be able to get many more years of use 
out of it.


On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:06:17 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I sold mine to Rob from Ocean Air Cycles.  Maybe his riders have graduated 
> and he can pass it to you?
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:02:14 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. My daughter'll be starting school in the fall & I'd like to pull 
>> her behind the tandem (my son's the stoker) w/ a Piccolo. I know some on 
>> this list are a little further ahead in regards to kids' ages, so I'm 
>> hoping someone has one they need to get rid of. If you have one & are 
>> willing to part w/ it, please shoot me a PM w/ what you'd like to get for 
>> it. I'm willing to use paypal or send a check & pay for shipping (I prefer 
>> bikeflights) of course.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric 
>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>
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[RBW] First weekend of riding... ouch.

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Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my 
clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and 
temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out 
"just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail 
grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the 
weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had 
to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what 
the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now 
at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as 
down-hill as the streets are!
In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy. 

Favorite pic from the day: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/

Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o. 
Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later... 
 well, my clavicle is 
definitely hurting today. D'oh!
Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang 
out 
in: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/ 

Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on 
to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my 
shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the 
bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my 
Moustache bar stand by... 

So good times this weekend! 


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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

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Does it come with the above-mentioned pants?

Really cool hack Leif!!!


On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-7, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and 
> goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how 
> it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 
>
>
> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>
> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>
> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
> years. 
>
> Best,
>
> Leif
>
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
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> 
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam in the Washington Post

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Could almost guarantee that without looking! :-) 

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>
> MG at chasing mailboxes http://chasingmailboxes.com 
> 
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 5:05:03 PM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/04/05/pm-update-another-frozen-night-before-a-modest-warm-up-on-wednesday-deadly-pakistan-flooding/
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>> Whose?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

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Jim's service is rated highly, not a scratch!


On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:39:35 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Ready for some evil, Hugh? As far as the bike shipping goes, I'm gonna be 
> in Pleasanton in 3 weeks. If you were to buy this Ram, I could easily pick 
> it up and drop it off to your house on my way home on Sunday April 10.
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Yeah packing parts and more trips to USPS not that tempting :^)
> On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "cyclotourist"  
> wrote:
>
>> Sell that off to help subsidize!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well I just need a F/F as I already have a Campy group for it. Its a 
>>> beauty though. 
>>> On Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM, "cyclotourist" >> > wrote:
>>>
 Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple, 
 Brooks, Nitto... wow!

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> Amazing at codependancy :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

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I think Hugh has to make this happen... too many planets aligning! 

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> But it's only good on Rivs of orange color in California! This one would 
> make me 3 for 3 in that color. The other two:
>
> Orange QB from Walnut Creek to Redlands
> Orange Hillborne (my own that I sold to the buyer in San Luis Obispo)
>
> Will Hugh add to this orange trend?
>
> These bikes really class up the roof rack! (Truck-bed rack, actually)
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: "cyclot...@gmail.com " 
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>
> Jim's service is rated highly, not a scratch!
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>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:39:35 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ready for some evil, Hugh? As far as the bike shipping goes, I'm gonna be 
>> in Pleasanton in 3 weeks. If you were to buy this Ram, I could easily pick 
>> it up and drop it off to your house on my way home on Sunday April 10.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Yeah packing parts and more trips to USPS not that tempting :^)
>> On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>>
>>> Sell that off to help subsidize!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well I just need a F/F as I already have a Campy group for it. Its a 
 beauty though. 
 On Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple, 
> Brooks, Nitto... wow!
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Hugh Smitham  
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>> Amazing at codependancy :)
>> you guys are amazing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

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Lots of burners on that stove, might as well heat them all up!

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> Remember I have another pan in the fire.  And David there you go again 
> spending my money for me. Fortunately,  you don't have my bank account # :^)
> On Mar 17, 2016 1:59 PM, "cyclot...@gmail.com " <
> cyclot...@gmail.com > wrote:
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>> I think Hugh has to make this happen... too many planets aligning! 
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:03:16 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>>
>>> But it's only good on Rivs of orange color in California! This one would 
>>> make me 3 for 3 in that color. The other two:
>>>
>>> Orange QB from Walnut Creek to Redlands
>>> Orange Hillborne (my own that I sold to the buyer in San Luis Obispo)
>>>
>>> Will Hugh add to this orange trend?
>>>
>>> These bikes really class up the roof rack! (Truck-bed rack, actually)
>>>
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: "cyclot...@gmail.com" 
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim's service is rated highly, not a scratch!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:39:35 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 Ready for some evil, Hugh? As far as the bike shipping goes, I'm gonna 
 be in Pleasanton in 3 weeks. If you were to buy this Ram, I could easily 
 pick it up and drop it off to your house on my way home on Sunday April 10.


 On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Yeah packing parts and more trips to USPS not that tempting :^)
 On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> Sell that off to help subsidize!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote:
>
>> Well I just need a F/F as I already have a Campy group for it. Its a 
>> beauty though. 
>> On Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>>
>>> Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple, 
>>> Brooks, Nitto... wow!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
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 you guys are amazing

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[RBW] Re: CLEARCOAT o'er baremetal & why we don't do it anymore

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Inland low humidity person here. My Quickbeam with clear powder frame looks 
FANTASTIC. I just love it. Wish I got Rob's raw Hilsen when it was 
available. 

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
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> I am not fluent here and tried to respond to other comments about it, then 
> gave up and thought I could do it here & this way...wondering all the while 
> whether this is what "thread thwacking" is.  Anyway, this isn't the last 
> word on it, just our experience and observations.
>
> It looks best and the way you want it to look if the frame is not blasted 
> after building. Then you get the fire marks and general variegation that 
> gets the blood flowing. If the frame is blasted after building and you 
> clear coat over that, it looks like boring metallic gray with some 
> brass-colored pinstriping (if lugs). Nobody will say *hey, cool;* they'll 
> just think, *hey, kinda boring*.
>
> Clear coat is porous, which means water gets thru it and causes rust. We 
> had a local powder coater assure us that it had an ultranew and 
> supereffective way to protect the metal from rust, but it didn't work. 
> Inland bikes, no big problem, but if you live in a sugar shack on 
> Chesapeake Bay, it won't last.
>
> Powder coating, wet painting, no matter. Powder coating isn't the 
> "bulletproof, no-nonsense, thanks for not making me have to think about 
> anything" solution it is sometimes portrayed as. It was developed for thick 
> steel tractors, as a durable, chip-resistant layer. The proble, besides 
> being pourous, is that with powder there is no primer to help fight rust 
> and protect the metal when it does chip. And powder coatings tends to have 
> more micro-cracks than wet paint. When the paint is opaque, it's easy to 
> assume all's well underneath, but when it's clear, you can actually see 
> what's happening.
>
> If clear-coating was a GREAT idea, we'd offer it. It's used on show bikes 
> sometimes as a novelty and to show how great the metal looks, but if the 
> air is humid or salty or it rains a lot or something like that, it's not 
> fantastic...in our experience here, at least.
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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You're there, Tony!

Room for five more overnighters


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> Hey David, I'd like to join - count me in.
>
> Tony Almeida
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
>> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
>> labour of love sort of thing. 
>>
>> So who's inn???
>>
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[RBW] Re: Google Gone Goofie?

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Nope. I'm replying via the GG right now.

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> Is Google groups web page not loading at all are well for anyone else? 
> It’s not my internet connection because other pages work at the same time. 
> Perhaps Google finally got to know me and this is it’s understandable 
> response. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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Ted + Mrs. Ted, good to go!! 

Last names?

Reminder that the cabins are not private, just wanted to emphasize that for 
anyone thinking romantic getaway sort of thing :-)


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> Sounds great. Please count my wife and I in.
> Regards
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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Reid, the Inn would be a WONDERFUL place to heal up and recuperate! It is a 
two mile hike/ride to get there, but have your Dr. give you a placard, and 
you can get ADA access!!!

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
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> Oh man, I would just love to do this. For any of you thinking "maybe," 
> just sign up, send in your check, and do it. The setting is awesome. 
> Unfortunately for me, I just managed a really dumb move while riding my AHH 
> and the doc says I won't be riding before the end of June. Of course, by 
> then I will be all flab from no riding. Arhh! If I manage to heal 
> up really quickly, I'll just hope that a slot is still open. Sigh ... And 
> for those of you who are wondering ... no need to worry, the AHH came 
> through without a scratch.  :-)
>
> Reid
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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On the list!

This is shaping up nicely!

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-8, Braxton Colagross wrote:
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> Please include me as well. Thanks for organizing! 
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

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I doubt the bike would get worn out from year round use. Paint chipped, 
bearings pitted, bolts rusted. But all those can be serviced or replaced. 
Ride the bike you love!

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 9:42:44 AM UTC-8, Mark Williams wrote:
>
> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for fair 
> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
> performance of the Ultegra group.
> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to 
>> put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Saluki Custom Color

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Cool color!

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:25:23 AM UTC-8, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a friend(who isn't on the RBW Group) that I'm helping try and sell 
> a beautiful 58cm Saluki for.  Standard Riv Build for a Saluki at the time. 
>  I don't have full build specs, but i can get them if anyone is interested. 
>  Bike has been ridden less than 200 miles and could easily pass as new. 
>  He's asking $2700 for the complete bike.  Bike is a custom color.  Anywho, 
> if anyone is interested please let me know and I will get you in contact 
> with the buyer.  Bike is located in Rapid City, SD and my friend is willing 
> to ship it.  DM me with any questions or interest.  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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Hidden in plain sight! :-)

Yes, the nights of June 24 & 25th, with the ramble and dinner on the 25th. 
Bring that Atlantis on over, René!

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 10:29:32 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi René  ,
>
> It's in the subject line. June 24th & 25th.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> I keep reading but cannot find the dates in June for this event... am I 
>> missing the dates? Help me out to see if I'd be able to join, even if for 
>> Saturday only.
>>
>> René 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well you know I'm in.
>>>
>>> When the Entmoot/ Riv twentieth happened I'll never forget that high. 
>>> Folks from near and far converging on China Camp (Grant, Will & Jenny 
>>> handing out raffle prizes) was an event like the one's you have as a youth 
>>> that become a personal high water mark. I recall lister Jim Warren 
>>> mentioning to me that we should have a Rivendell celebration the following 
>>> year at the West Point Inn (which obviously didn't happen) at the time, I 
>>> was sure Jim. But in reality I really didn't know what that would be like 
>>> and what kind of effort it would require...fast forward to this past 
>>> December and helping Jacquie celebrate her birthday at the the Inn was/is 
>>> down right amazing! There you are on top of Tamalpais with "Billion" dollar 
>>> views (Inflation don't you know) of the East Bay and the City and dirt fire 
>>> road heaven at the threshold of the Inn. Inside the Inn we all converge 
>>> with like minded bicycle obsessed folk imbibing the history along with 
>>> spirits and food, it's like being a drug addict chasing a high but this is 
>>> a high I'll gladly chase any day. Let's make some memories.
>>>
>>> June ain't coming fast enough! See you freaks on top of Tam and bring 
>>> yer knobbies.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event 
 that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like 
 everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a 
 fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something 
 similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it. 

 Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip 
 to the West Point Inn , and had a 
 phenomenal time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) 
 birthday. An absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we 
 want to have another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded 
 folks 
 to celebrate life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of 
 the 
 most beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we 
 are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!

 We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
 pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
 Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
 out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!

 The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we 
 can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for 
 Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than 
 $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical 
 even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.

 For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
 ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking 
 the Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling 
 back to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to 
 do 
 that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area 
 has 
 to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
 We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
 Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
 decent sized group there.

 Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and 
 communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner 
 provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping 
 to 
 have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your 
 favorite is a way to do it as well.

 Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four 
 to five beds per room. 

[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

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I can confirm there will be no ice patches on the RSR route.

Does look like some rain next week, which will tamp things back down 
perfectly!!!

Awesome trail out there, Kathy! I'm finding myself riding more and more 
dirt almost exclusively. 


On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:11 AM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>
> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an 
> adventure & a great day.  
>
> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I 
> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at 
> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told 
> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for 
> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We 
> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might 
> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes 
> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had 
> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when 
> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the 
> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of 
> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised 
> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to 
> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was 
> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.  
>
> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the 
> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first 
> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like 
> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a 
> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here 
> to figure that one out.  
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
>> Kathy:
>>
>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of 
>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren & 
>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly 
>> quickly.  
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him 
>>> to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be 
>>> a major Wrightwood contingency.  
>>> I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a 
>>> really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.  
>>>
>>> Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her 
>>> commitment to ride if I did?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>

 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html

 A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!

 -- 
 Cheers,
 David

 Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

 "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

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Her most recent update isn't a good one: https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
Sounds like she's getting run-down in the caregiver role. :-(

On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 8:01:58 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Jaquie P. has been posting more updates on Charlie's condition and 
> recovery of late.
>
> Stop by when you have the time and continue to spread the word - 
> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>
> - Jim / cyclofiend.com
>
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[RBW] Re: Route Suggestions: LA to Joshua Tree

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Here's some more info for 
planning: 
https://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/exhibition-expedition-escape-from-la/
 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 8:41:30 AM UTC-8, Ben wrote:
>
> Check out a  route on Crazy guy:
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=tS_id=16327=XP
> Search the CGOAB website for JoshuaTree if the above link doesn't work.
>
> Also if you like dirt roads you can glean some route ideas from the 
> Stagecoach 400 enduro route. Search google for Stagecoach 400 for several 
> hits with the map.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 5:30:11 AM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Considering a multiday ride this Spring from LA to Joshua Tree. About 10 
>> days of riding to, and then around/through, Joshua Tree NP. 
>>
>> This is  one potential route 
>> plan, and I'm hoping for comments and suggestions. Feel free to steer me 
>> completely off this track if it seems I'm just headed for bad riding. 
>>
>> I live in VT and, though have lived in CA, my only experience with SoCal 
>> is life and work on the islands. Never spent much time on the mainland, and 
>> have never been into Angeles NF. 
>>
>> Thanks for your help folks. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

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Finalizing some trails this weekend, but if it goes according to plan, the 
English century is going to be on the epic side. Approaching Leadville 
elevation numbers:

   - English Century: 104 miles (60 dirt) with 12,100'
   - Metric Century: 64 miles (32 dirt) with 6700'
   - M 1/2 Century: 36 miles (20 dirt) with 3600
   
The metric century and half-metric are pretty much in the can course-wise. 
Going to be more dirt on it this year than previous, especially in the 
English century (~60%). The half-metric will be a really nice course, with 
great sampling of terrains. That's the main course the ride was built 
around. All three will hit what I feel is the golden ratio of elevation 
gain: 1,000 ft for every 10 miles. 

If you're on the fence and doubting your ability, the half-metric will be 
very doable if ridden at your own pace. Metric will be tough, but still 
doable. English century... well, good luck with that one :) 

Food and post-ride refractory period will be top notch as well. Feel free 
to just come out for that! We're going to be moving up to the next level 
for the food, two kegs of local brew, hopefully some locally made softdrink 
as well. Obviously motels in town, but we'll find a couch or floor 
somewhere if that's how you roll. No excuses to not come out and enjoy the 
day in some form! We're over 130 registered for the 250 spots. It probably 
won't hit the cut off, but if you're planning on it, better get a move on 
that registration thing: 
http://iebikingalliance.org/content.aspx?page_id=87_id=961736_id=483217
 

And most importantly: Storms have pretty much cleared all the route of 
goatheads!!! The talisman works!



On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 9:26:09 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> "Don't worry about not having the "right" bike... just run what you brung 
> and have a good time."
>
> And that's the truth.  My Atlantis did just fine.  I got passed by people 
> on carbonic skinny tired racing bikes and people on serious looking MTBs.  
> Anything works.  Whatever you're most comfortable riding.  Of course, the 
> stop at Hangar 24 was at a welcome distance, and good timing since we had 
> mis-placed the route a bit.  The apres' ride party is great fun too.
>
> doug
>
> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>> For those of you that participated last year, I hope you've checked your 
>> email! Pre-reg is open and ready to go for all three routes. English 
>> century, metric century (~62 miles), and metric half century (~30 miles).
>>
>> For newbies, you can register on the IEBA site here: 
>> http://www.iebikingalliance.org/content.aspx?page_id=87_id=961736_id=483217
>>  
>> While not required, it is hoped that you will join the IEBA which will lead 
>> to the discounted registration. It also bumps up our numbers, which is a 
>> HUGE bonus for any sort of an advocacy group. Fees have gone up a small 
>> bit, but while we make a little money on this, the idea is to have a great 
>> time, get people on bikes, show them the riding in Redlands and the IE, and 
>> yes, grow the IEBA rolls.
>>
>> I'm hugely self-promoting this, but I really think it's one of the best 
>> times you can have on two wheels. Don't worry about not having the "right" 
>> bike... just run what you brung and have a good time. The 100 mile route is 
>> going to be challenging. The 50km route will be pretty easy. The 100km 
>> route is my favorite and will have the best we have to offer!
>>
>> We need volunteers, particularly for the English century portion. If you 
>> know of friends, family, businesses, or organizations that would like to 
>> staff an aid station, please put them in contact with me. cyclot... @
>> gmail.com
>>
>> And as you know, social media is what pushes things. Please feel free to 
>> forward via the various books, grams, and chirps! Updates will be posted 
>> regularly on the RSR blog .
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:08 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>>>
>>> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] MUSA sighting on the local news

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Monetize it!!!

On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 10:09:17 AM UTC-8, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
> Well, in the interest of full disclosure that is my wife, which is to say 
> I put her up to it.
>
> So, while I can't exactly take credit for a "good catch," I can take 
> credit for any product placement gratuities due. ;)
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 9:36:47 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Good catch! 
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Allan in Portland 
>>  wrote: 
>> > Ladies rain jacket, if you're curious. Looks pretty sharp if I do say 
>> so 
>> > myself. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> http://katu.com/features/rootopia/neighbors-oppose-coffee-shops-plan-to-start-selling-marijuana
>>  
>> > 
>> > Cheers, 
>> > -Allan 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Garbage Pail Riv sighted in Berkeley

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My exact response as well ... I originally thought it was a goof... but 
then serious? I do agree about the pedals though.



On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:53 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Truly, until the end of the post, I thought this was a spoof. How can 
> anyone look at that Riv and think "garbage"? He ends with a garish image of 
> that revolting Giant (ok, that is harsh, but you know my feelings about 
> Giant these days, see kid bike thread) and celebrates it's superiority over 
> that other useful and comfortable bike and beautiful bike.  I was laughing 
> at that point, but stopped when I realized he was serious. Oh well, it 
> takes all kinds, I suppose.

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[RBW] Re: A Mount Tam Experience.

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That was the choice of the navigator at the time... :) 

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 12:17:21 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Beautiful writeup and pictures! What a good time was had. I'm sorry I 
> missed the Saturday dinner. 
> And it explains why you went up Wildomar 
> 
>  
> to get to Panoramic Hwy,already being at Avatars. That seemed like such a 
> bizarre Google Maps choice. "'Let's send these out-of-towners up the 
> steepest street in the tiniest canyon." I'm glad you got to see that part 
> of Mill Valley, though. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 10:05:56 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> This happened.
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Yeah I'm on a roll! It must be winter.

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Congratulations!

I was one off... maybe next year!


On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 12:47:40 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Another patch earned. Feels like my Boy Scouts days.
>
> Here .
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: A Mount Tam Experience.

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One of the best weekends, ever! Such a nice event she hosted. Thanks for 
doing the write up, it captured the events perfectly!

Hopefully we can do something like that in the future!!!


On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Glad you liked it Dennis.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-8, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>>
>> Awesome recap - I have viewed the pics in previous posts but if anyone 
>> hasn't, they are not to be missed.
>> Dennis in PDX
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 10:05:56 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> This happened.
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

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Looks like a front shock would smooth out a lot of the chunk of that video!

On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 11:22:08 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
> Oh... one more video and similarity:  Jeff espousing Grant's S240 concept:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mygdN85tcw
>
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 11:51:52 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Hey Keith, 
>>
>> If you check out those Jones Bikes, the chainstays are still relatively 
>> short...same goes for the Trek Stache, which is another 29+ in the 
>> marketplace (which has a 16.5 inch chainstay). What is the chainstay length 
>> on the Jones bike?  I'm having trouble finding it. 
>>
>> Now, the chainstays on an Appalooza are about 20.5 inches where in most 
>> general mountain bikes today they are between 18 and 16.5. Heck, even the 
>> Trek Farley has a chainstay of 17.3 inches. That Appalooza has a really 
>> long chainstay which is probably great for touring, commuting, general 
>> riding, even fire road descents because of added stability. The long 
>> chainstay is a definite selling feature for that bike. Flicking it 
>> around switchbacks on a single track trail would be difficult, as would 
>> manualing to get the front wheel up and over obstacles. It's just not the 
>> bike for that kind of riding which is the kind of riding that I want to do 
>> with my next bikethat's all I'm really saying.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm not against long chainstays and I can see it adding value to 
>> an Atlantis and even a Hunq where the extra stability is probably a pretty 
>> good thing. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:37:33 AM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Holly Molly.  Just for the sake of voicing the counterpoint of a more 
>>> enthusiastic reaction:  This could be the best Rivendell news in years!  If 
>>> not EVER.
>>>
>>> -  In terms of people claiming revolutionary results from longer stays, 
>>> I think it HAS happened.  Remember when Keven - the resident race god at 
>>> RBWHQ got his mystery bike?  He immediately sold his cross bike and 
>>> everything else mainstream, and became evangelizer #1 for long bikes!   But 
>>> it doesn't stop there.  The only bike designer who I respect as much as 
>>> Grant, who has had as significant of an impact on modern bike design, and 
>>> who made my one bike I love more than my All Rounder is Jeff Jones.   He's 
>>> pretty much moved all of his development and promotional energy to *his* 
>>> long bike, the Plus!  He's so enamored with it and wants it to reach as 
>>> many people as possible,  that he's already expanded the line to include 
>>> *three* sizes a year after first offering it.  Which is two sizes more 
>>> than he was willing to do with his short-stay model!
>>>
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htm 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> -  Speaking of which, the notion that a long bike can't be can't be a 
>>> capable offroad machine is nonsense.  If you believe otherwise, you really 
>>> need to watch some of these:  
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DJXOsP1E2Y
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/z3w8dJFG8x8
>>>
>>>
>>> - On a related note:  longer chainstays means it's easier to make room 
>>> for fatter tires.   I know I'm an outlyer and too often vocal about this, 
>>> but lack of tire clearance is one of my biggest frustrations with Rivendell 
>>> bikes.   Which is ironic in the big picture, isn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>> -  On the subject of too much functional overlap:  Rivendell's model 
>>> line has always had a lot of overlap.  Remember when you could choose 
>>> between an Atlantis, a Homer, a Rambouillet and a Roadeo?   The most 
>>> significant  differences were simply tire clearance and tubing thickness. 
>>>  I actually think there's a *lot* more variety nowadays. Check out the 
>>> diagrams I recently posted in my "geometry comparison" thread.  Current 
>>> offerings can be summarized right now as:  Clem = very long front/very long 
>>> rear;   Hunq = long front / short rear;  Appaloosa II = short front / long 
>>> rear;  Atlantis = short front / short rear.   I think there's probably room 
>>> to lengthen things to varying degrees without eliminating the variety, 
>>> especially when you add in the tubing and clearance differences. 
>>>
>>>
>>> - The BEST part of this news though, if I read it correctly, is that 
>>> some bikes - like the Hunq. -  may now be offered in the OTHER sizes?!! 
>>>   I assume the upper-end models - the Homer and Atlantis - will still be 
>>> offered in smaller size increments that allow you to get a bike that fits 
>>> just perfectly - which is, to me, one of the main reasons for buying a 
>>> Rivendell.  With the advent of the "expanded sizing" though, it hasn't 
>>> worked this way with all models.  Depending on who you were, you either got 
>>> a bike that happened to fit perfectly, could "make due" with one of the 
>>> stock sizes but 

[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar frame geometry

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Jones Plus has 19" stays.
http://blog.jonesbikes.com/jones-plus-this-is-it/
Dem's long.


On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:51:52 AM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>
> Hey Keith, 
>
> If you check out those Jones Bikes, the chainstays are still relatively 
> short...same goes for the Trek Stache, which is another 29+ in the 
> marketplace (which has a 16.5 inch chainstay). What is the chainstay length 
> on the Jones bike?  I'm having trouble finding it. 
>
> Now, the chainstays on an Appalooza are about 20.5 inches where in most 
> general mountain bikes today they are between 18 and 16.5. Heck, even the 
> Trek Farley has a chainstay of 17.3 inches. That Appalooza has a really 
> long chainstay which is probably great for touring, commuting, general 
> riding, even fire road descents because of added stability. The long 
> chainstay is a definite selling feature for that bike. Flicking it 
> around switchbacks on a single track trail would be difficult, as would 
> manualing to get the front wheel up and over obstacles. It's just not the 
> bike for that kind of riding which is the kind of riding that I want to do 
> with my next bikethat's all I'm really saying.
>
> Anyway, I'm not against long chainstays and I can see it adding value to 
> an Atlantis and even a Hunq where the extra stability is probably a pretty 
> good thing. 
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:37:33 AM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Holly Molly.  Just for the sake of voicing the counterpoint of a more 
>> enthusiastic reaction:  This could be the best Rivendell news in years!  If 
>> not EVER.
>>
>> -  In terms of people claiming revolutionary results from longer stays, I 
>> think it HAS happened.  Remember when Keven - the resident race god at 
>> RBWHQ got his mystery bike?  He immediately sold his cross bike and 
>> everything else mainstream, and became evangelizer #1 for long bikes!   But 
>> it doesn't stop there.  The only bike designer who I respect as much as 
>> Grant, who has had as significant of an impact on modern bike design, and 
>> who made my one bike I love more than my All Rounder is Jeff Jones.   He's 
>> pretty much moved all of his development and promotional energy to *his* 
>> long bike, the Plus!  He's so enamored with it and wants it to reach as 
>> many people as possible,  that he's already expanded the line to include 
>> *three* sizes a year after first offering it.  Which is two sizes more 
>> than he was willing to do with his short-stay model!
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htm 
>> 
>>
>>
>> -  Speaking of which, the notion that a long bike can't be can't be a 
>> capable offroad machine is nonsense.  If you believe otherwise, you really 
>> need to watch some of these:  
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DJXOsP1E2Y
>>
>> https://youtu.be/z3w8dJFG8x8
>>
>>
>> - On a related note:  longer chainstays means it's easier to make room 
>> for fatter tires.   I know I'm an outlyer and too often vocal about this, 
>> but lack of tire clearance is one of my biggest frustrations with Rivendell 
>> bikes.   Which is ironic in the big picture, isn't it?
>>
>>
>> -  On the subject of too much functional overlap:  Rivendell's model line 
>> has always had a lot of overlap.  Remember when you could choose between an 
>> Atlantis, a Homer, a Rambouillet and a Roadeo?   The most significant 
>>  differences were simply tire clearance and tubing thickness.  I actually 
>> think there's a *lot* more variety nowadays. Check out the diagrams I 
>> recently posted in my "geometry comparison" thread.  Current offerings can 
>> be summarized right now as:  Clem = very long front/very long rear;   Hunq 
>> = long front / short rear;  Appaloosa II = short front / long rear; 
>>  Atlantis = short front / short rear.   I think there's probably room to 
>> lengthen things to varying degrees without eliminating the variety, 
>> especially when you add in the tubing and clearance differences. 
>>
>>
>> - The BEST part of this news though, if I read it correctly, is that some 
>> bikes - like the Hunq. -  may now be offered in the OTHER sizes?!!   I 
>> assume the upper-end models - the Homer and Atlantis - will still be 
>> offered in smaller size increments that allow you to get a bike that fits 
>> just perfectly - which is, to me, one of the main reasons for buying a 
>> Rivendell.  With the advent of the "expanded sizing" though, it hasn't 
>> worked this way with all models.  Depending on who you were, you either got 
>> a bike that happened to fit perfectly, could "make due" with one of the 
>> stock sizes but with some minor-but-less-than-ideal compromises in stem and 
>> seatpost extensions, or didn't really fit any of the sizes no matter what. 
>>   I most often fell into the later camp.   But the idea of a 56 Hunq!?  Be 
>> still, my heart!  Hopefully it still has 700c wheels.  

[RBW] Re: PSA: Canti-Rom on ebay

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Yeah, only part that seems a bit vague. I try to find out head tube length 
from sellers, as that's a less subjective measurement than seat tube 
height. So then if the head tube is 145mm or whatever I can look on geo 
charts and determine the frame size from that. Presuming the HT measurement 
is posted of course. 

On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 8:42:09 AM UTC-8, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Interesting... wonder what size?
>
> rod
>

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[RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

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Thanks for the update, Edwin! 

FYI, I didn't install the metal sleeves I bought. I did spin a valve nut 
all the way down before installing the tube. It hasn't been that long, but 
no problem so far!

On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 9:00:59 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Update:
> Had another one of these valve base flats. Different rim (CR18), 38mm 
> Vittoria Randonneur tires.
> Tube: Kenda. 
> Replaced it with one of the Riv-sold Rubenas that looks like it has 
> reinforcement at the base. And I slipped an extra piece of tube over the 
> stem.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 1:54:10 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Third flat in two years from valve stem ripping out of the tube on my 
>> front Velocity Synergy rim. First two were catastrophic during rides, 
>> almost dumping me. The third time was this morning when I went out to the 
>> garage.
>>
>> Rim tape seems fine. No burrs on valve stem hole. I put an extra layer of 
>> Velox tape over to reinforce the area. Cut out a small 1X1cm of tube and 
>> slipped over the valve stem to reinforce that. I don't over-tighten the 
>> valve lock-nut and am leaving it off after this morning repair. 
>>
>> Running out of options here! Any suggestion? If not, is this possibly a 
>> warranty issue for defective rim? I'd hate to send it back and have 
>> Velocity write about me on their blog.
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

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I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on 
a used bike I bought. And, they're great! Especially for spirited off-road 
riding, when you're in the drops and don't want to let go of your grip to 
move your hand. Amazing in that application!

But they do wear out *significantly *faster than bar-ends, and I can see 
how they're prone to ride-ending damage in a crash. I almost treat them 
like a replaceable wear item like a chain or even tires. They last longer 
than those of course, but nowhere near what bar ends (decade) or friction 
(lifetime) shifters do.

Very intrigued by the Simergo 11 to 9 set set up, and will probably do that 
when my current Ultegras wear out (they're starting to shift poorly right 
now).


On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:05:33 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE=10052=10053=-1_source=nashbar_medium=email_content=151210Th_campaign=Products_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com=12498453=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1=643355659=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
>
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[RBW] Re: Oops, I did it again: 2016 bike calendar

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I want to enjoy the November ride I see there!!!

Very cool creation, Eunice!


On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 2:25:25 PM UTC-8, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thought this might be of interest to the list:
>
> I made another calendar featuring mostly Riv bikes (AHH and quickbeam) for 
> 2016. Proceeds go to Bike Durham, a local bike advocacy group. Here's the 
> link if you want to see the calendar and order one.
>
> https://squareup.com/market/justshiny/bike-calendar-1
>
> Just for folks on this list (because you are good enablers and I thought 
> I'd return the favor), there is a discount ($5 off calendar plus free 
> shipping). The code is:
> ENJOYTHERIDE
>
>
> Thanks!
> Eunice 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

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Happy New Bike Day!

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:01:52 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> You are too kind. Guess what's arriving today? I asked him if he wanted to 
> be here for The Unboxing or if I should just proceed with having the bike 
> built. He doesn't understand about the magic of The Unboxing. He just wants 
> it ready to ride this weekend. *Grin*
>
> My only regret: his cork grips will not be here in time. You can't have it 
> all, I guess. 
>

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[RBW] Re: The original Riv mixte

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Beautiful colors on it. 

Maybe not that bad a price for NIB never built?



On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> Very pretty, but a bit pricey.  
> http://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/5250204541.html
>
>  
>
> The owner has tried selling this several times on craigslist in the last 
> few years, I'm pretty sure.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The original Riv mixte

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https://web.archive.org/web/20051225074732/http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_prices.html

Original price was $1,400, so maybe you're right in that it's overpriced. I 
don't know if NOS Rivs are going up in value or not. Used not so much. 

I guess if someone has always wanted one and has the liquidity, it's there 
for them.



On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 8:56:25 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> Well, the current price on a Homer or Atlantis is $2300, and the Wilbury 
> was likely more complicated to build (mixte frame, incredibly intricate 
> lugs), so you're probably right that it's not out of line.  It really is a 
> beautiful frame.  
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *
> cyclot...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 11:51 AM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: The original Riv mixte
>
>  
>
> Beautiful colors on it. 
>
>  
>
> Maybe not that bad a price for NIB never built?
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> Very pretty, but a bit pricey.  
> http://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/5250204541.html
>
>  
>
> The owner has tried selling this several times on craigslist in the last 
> few years, I'm pretty sure.
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[RBW] Re: Redlands Strada Sterrata - Saturday 11/14

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I think I'll be okay. Low grade stuff, just not optimum.
Hasta manana! 

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 3:07:35 PM UTC-8, AJ wrote:
>
> Hope you feel better !
>
> See you tomorrow unless things are postponed which would be understandable.
>
> Thanks 
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 1:05:17 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Good to hear, Arnold! Make sure you have some fat tires on that Atlantis! 
>> I rode the sandy parts Wed, and they're not that bad. But that was w/ 2.25" 
>> tires to float on it.
>>
>> Bummer for me is I'm feeling kinda' sick. So planning on it all, but may 
>> be rolling a bit slower than hoped for :(
>>
>> All day parking over @ Redlands Mall https://goo.gl/maps/udjPnVb4JFB2
>>
>> Bring a U-lock, and leave it downtown so you can lock up post-ride.
>>
>> See you tomorrow!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 12:38:38 PM UTC-8, AJ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>  
>>> First time poster here
>>>  
>>> This sounds like a good ride and my Atlantis is Slimed and ready to go
>>>  
>>> See you 0900 Saturday 11/14
>>>  
>>> Arnold
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:18:51 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's "dirt roads" in Italian according to The Google!

 I've wanted to put together a more dirt-oriented version of the Redlands 
 Strada Rossa  for a while 
 now. The RSR has about 50% dirt, and it's high quality stuff, but a lot of 
 asphalt connecting it. Kicked around some ideas and came up with this: 
 http://ridewithgps.com/  Only 
 about five of the 38 miles are asphalt, which anyone in marketing can 
 explain to you is the same as 100% dirt!

 It includes all kinds of surfaces. Santa Ana River crossing on dry 
 beach sand. Sandy roads. Rocky flat-ish singletrack. Buffed singletrack 
 climbing. Fire road descents. Suburban sprawl roads. LOTS of goatheads. 
 Weather should be beautiful. Rain the last couple days packed down the 
 sandy portions a bit.

 Rolling at 9:00 on Saturday the 14th, leaving from in front of Augie's 
 Coffee  in downtown. Finishes at Gourmet 
 Pizza Shoppe 
  also 
 downtown. Bring a U-lock and leave it downtown for when you get back as 
 start/finish are right by each other.

 Serious about the goatheads. If you don't have Slime, tubeless, liners 
 or all three, you will be walking home.

 Unlike the RSR, this is not an organized ride. Just some locals and 
 internet friends getting together to explore out in the hills. We're slow, 
 we meander, we like carbs. Feel free to jump aboard! 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Redlands Strada Sterrata - Saturday 11/14

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So you can't get lost: https://goo.gl/maps/LEJmpan5TrJ2 :) 


On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 1:05:17 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Good to hear, Arnold! Make sure you have some fat tires on that Atlantis! 
> I rode the sandy parts Wed, and they're not that bad. But that was w/ 2.25" 
> tires to float on it.
>
> Bummer for me is I'm feeling kinda' sick. So planning on it all, but may 
> be rolling a bit slower than hoped for :(
>
> All day parking over @ Redlands Mall https://goo.gl/maps/udjPnVb4JFB2
>
> Bring a U-lock, and leave it downtown so you can lock up post-ride.
>
> See you tomorrow!
>
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 12:38:38 PM UTC-8, AJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>  
>> First time poster here
>>  
>> This sounds like a good ride and my Atlantis is Slimed and ready to go
>>  
>> See you 0900 Saturday 11/14
>>  
>> Arnold
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:18:51 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's "dirt roads" in Italian according to The Google!
>>>
>>> I've wanted to put together a more dirt-oriented version of the Redlands 
>>> Strada Rossa  for a while 
>>> now. The RSR has about 50% dirt, and it's high quality stuff, but a lot of 
>>> asphalt connecting it. Kicked around some ideas and came up with this: 
>>> http://ridewithgps.com/  Only 
>>> about five of the 38 miles are asphalt, which anyone in marketing can 
>>> explain to you is the same as 100% dirt!
>>>
>>> It includes all kinds of surfaces. Santa Ana River crossing on dry beach 
>>> sand. Sandy roads. Rocky flat-ish singletrack. Buffed singletrack climbing. 
>>> Fire road descents. Suburban sprawl roads. LOTS of goatheads. Weather 
>>> should be beautiful. Rain the last couple days packed down the sandy 
>>> portions a bit.
>>>
>>> Rolling at 9:00 on Saturday the 14th, leaving from in front of Augie's 
>>> Coffee  in downtown. Finishes at Gourmet 
>>> Pizza Shoppe 
>>>  also 
>>> downtown. Bring a U-lock and leave it downtown for when you get back as 
>>> start/finish are right by each other.
>>>
>>> Serious about the goatheads. If you don't have Slime, tubeless, liners 
>>> or all three, you will be walking home.
>>>
>>> Unlike the RSR, this is not an organized ride. Just some locals and 
>>> internet friends getting together to explore out in the hills. We're slow, 
>>> we meander, we like carbs. Feel free to jump aboard! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Redlands Strada Sterrata - Saturday 11/14

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Good to hear, Arnold! Make sure you have some fat tires on that Atlantis! I 
rode the sandy parts Wed, and they're not that bad. But that was w/ 2.25" 
tires to float on it.

Bummer for me is I'm feeling kinda' sick. So planning on it all, but may be 
rolling a bit slower than hoped for :(

All day parking over @ Redlands Mall https://goo.gl/maps/udjPnVb4JFB2

Bring a U-lock, and leave it downtown so you can lock up post-ride.

See you tomorrow!


On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 12:38:38 PM UTC-8, AJ wrote:
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> Hi
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> First time poster here
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> This sounds like a good ride and my Atlantis is Slimed and ready to go
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> See you 0900 Saturday 11/14
>  
> Arnold
>  
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> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:18:51 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
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>> That's "dirt roads" in Italian according to The Google!
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>> I've wanted to put together a more dirt-oriented version of the Redlands 
>> Strada Rossa  for a while 
>> now. The RSR has about 50% dirt, and it's high quality stuff, but a lot of 
>> asphalt connecting it. Kicked around some ideas and came up with this: 
>> http://ridewithgps.com/  Only 
>> about five of the 38 miles are asphalt, which anyone in marketing can 
>> explain to you is the same as 100% dirt!
>>
>> It includes all kinds of surfaces. Santa Ana River crossing on dry beach 
>> sand. Sandy roads. Rocky flat-ish singletrack. Buffed singletrack climbing. 
>> Fire road descents. Suburban sprawl roads. LOTS of goatheads. Weather 
>> should be beautiful. Rain the last couple days packed down the sandy 
>> portions a bit.
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>> Rolling at 9:00 on Saturday the 14th, leaving from in front of Augie's 
>> Coffee  in downtown. Finishes at Gourmet 
>> Pizza Shoppe 
>>  also 
>> downtown. Bring a U-lock and leave it downtown for when you get back as 
>> start/finish are right by each other.
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>> Serious about the goatheads. If you don't have Slime, tubeless, liners or 
>> all three, you will be walking home.
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>> Unlike the RSR, this is not an organized ride. Just some locals and 
>> internet friends getting together to explore out in the hills. We're slow, 
>> we meander, we like carbs. Feel free to jump aboard! 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

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He's going to have to leave the beach, that's no fair!!! The CT shore 
doesn't quite compare to Huntington, especially come March!
We'll miss you... someone else will have to pick up the mantle for furthest 
traveled! 

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 3:15:15 PM UTC-8, Bikie#4646 wrote:
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> I will miss this event this year David. :(  My excuse to come from the 
> east coast, my brother-in-law (and sister, of course!) has gotten a 
> promotion and moving to CT. I certainly have enjoyed the two Strada Rossas 
> I've done! Meeting you and your family & Ian's riding buddies have been a 
> plus, for sure.
>
> The upside is that I can do some east coast rail trials with him. 
> Unfortunately, our Amtrak is not as upscale bike-travel-wise as Calif. is.
>
> Paul Germain,
> Midlothian, VA
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> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 12:08:22 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
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>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>>
>> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Redlands Strada Sterrata - Saturday 11/14

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Goatheads are the worst if you have regular tires. But if taking 
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But yes, why organize a ride if food and beverage aren't your first 
priority???

I hope this will be a great ride. It mixes all kinds of dirt terrain 
together. That's really what all my riding has been lately. So I tried to 
put it all together in one grand loop. 40 miles of dirt isn't the longest 
ride in the world, but it's definitely tougher than most our rides. Trying 
to make it worth the drive out here!!!
 

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[RBW] Re: In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

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Ryan, or anyone else, we're having a dirt-heavy ride just on the other side 
of the San Jacinto pass this Saturday. Little under 40 miles, most all 
dirt. If you can make it, I can try to scare up a bike! I'll post a formal 
announcement of it in a sec...

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
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> I'm in Palm Springs and was wondering if there was a good source of C 
> stuff nearby. Craigslist is pretty light too. Is everything good here just 
> locked up in people's garages? I would assume there would be some good 
> stuff around due to the climate being easy on everything other leather and 
> rubber.
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[RBW] Re: In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

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It was a good try!!!


On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:24:53 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
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> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
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>> Ryan, or anyone else, we're having a dirt-heavy ride just on the other 
>> side of the San Jacinto pass this Saturday. Little under 40 miles, most all 
>> dirt. If you can make it, I can try to scare up a bike! I'll post a formal 
>> announcement of it in a sec...
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in Palm Springs and was wondering if there was a good source of C 
>>> stuff nearby. Craigslist is pretty light too. Is everything good here just 
>>> locked up in people's garages? I would assume there would be some good 
>>> stuff around due to the climate being easy on everything other leather and 
>>> rubber.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

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Glad everyone is enjoying this! It was real nice flipping through them last 
night. The format is a bit different. I got a little tired of scrolling 
through the images, but thought it was unique. Haven't seen anything like 
that before. But regardless of format, the content was great.

I've seen the trailer for that bio, but not the full one. 

Sachs and Sascha White 

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 7:38:17 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
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> Beautiful images.
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> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOu0XKkJ6Y
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> A friend loaned me a copy of the film about Sachs, "Imperfection is 
> Perfection."  If you haven't seen it, it was fun to watch.  Impressive guy. 
>  Only found this trailer on youtube.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

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Incomplete thought: Sachs and Sasha White seem to be the two halo-builders 
at this point. They have quite the followings!

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Glad everyone is enjoying this! It was real nice flipping through them 
> last night. The format is a bit different. I got a little tired of 
> scrolling through the images, but thought it was unique. Haven't seen 
> anything like that before. But regardless of format, the content was great.
>
> I've seen the trailer for that bio, but not the full one. 
>
> Sachs and Sascha White 
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 7:38:17 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
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>> Beautiful images.
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>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOu0XKkJ6Y
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>> A friend loaned me a copy of the film about Sachs, "Imperfection is 
>> Perfection."  If you haven't seen it, it was fun to watch.  Impressive guy. 
>>  Only found this trailer on youtube.
>>
>> John
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WATERTON CANYON REOPENED

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I think it may get down to 45F the next couple nights after this front 
comes through. I've noticed that the actual temps this entire summer and 
fall and about 5-10F higher than the forecast. 

Oh well, it was a nice planet... on to the next one.

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:03:17 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
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> Jon, 
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> Great images. I love the big horn sheep! And those roads look fantastic. 
> Alas were still in the mid 80's here in Los Angeles but we have some 
> scattered rain in our near future. Wow I just can't imagine riding in 45F! 
> That's so far off from our temp range. Thanks for sharing and don't feed 
> those bears :) 
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> Tail Winds, 
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> ~Hugh 
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> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:46:55 PM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote: 
> > Waterton Canyon had been closed for a couple of months due to bear 
> activity..well not because of the bears but because the idots hiking up 
> there were taking selfies with the bears and getting a bit too close and 
> the bears were getting aggressive chasing a cyclist out -a- there. 
> > My friend Terry on his Bridgestone MB-6 and I on my Sam Hillborne 
> ventured out the first day it reopened to the public, in the rain, and 45' 
> temps to check it out. A bit too late to see the fall colors but we weren't 
> disappointed. 
> > We ran into a couple of Cheviots 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/albums/72157660560309461 
>
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme vs. Jack Brown Blue

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Hi John, the Supremes run pretty nice. A heavier/slower than JB Greens, but 
more puncture resistant. Not hugely though. I don't have any experience 
with JB Blues. 
Maybe run some Slime tubes for extra protection?

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 10:32:56 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
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> I'm a big fan of the Jack Brown Greens! I run them on my Hillborne. 
> However, they're now painfully thin, and I keep flatting. As the Hillborne 
> is now my commuter - as opposed to speedster - and I dislike flatting on 
> commutes, I'm considering which tires to replace them with.
>
> Are the Jack Blues noticeably better at preventing flats than the Greens? 
> And, how do they compare with the Marathon Supremes? Do the Supremes feel 
> heavy and sluggish, or do they ride okay? 
>
> Which would you choose for a commuter, one that you want to roll well?
>
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Two people get into fight over parking spot in Fairfax, one pulls out a hatchet

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Gotta' be careful when you gesture with an ax... someone may gesture back 
with a .45.



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[RBW] Re: Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

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Feel confident ordering directly from Germany. I've bought from Bike24 
twice, no drama, no hassle.

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=13=tubus+tara

Returns are probably a non-starter, but you could probably re-sell with 
minimal depreciation. 


On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:05:11 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
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> I have panniers I want to use more but don't want the weight of a rear 
> rack as I have rarely use them when I have had them so I want some 
> inconspicuous lowrider front rack, at least I think I do. 
>
> I like the original salsa down under rack but it's not available anymore 
> or anywhere but I am also considering the tubus duo but it's pricey and can 
> be hard to get in the states.  HAR is even more expensive and designed for 
> the proprietary sackville bags so it is low on my list.  
>
> What do people use or have used with success and may want to offload?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis completes the Pacific Coast

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Eagerly waiting to celebrate with you you, but need the actual pictures 
link to verify it. I don't want to commit to anything prematurely. 

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
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> Starting in 1988, I've been accumulating segments of the Pacific Coast, 
> sometimes little bits and other times large chunks.  It's such a beautiful 
> riding area that some segments have been done multiple times.  However, 
> owing to logistical issues, Brooking, OR, to Arcata, CA has eluded me.  
> Recently the opportunity came up to get there & do the missing bit (a 
> whopping 110 miles).  Besides, it was 100 in SoCal & my friends biking down 
> from Canada / WA / OR kept sending pictures wearing rain gear.  While 
> transporting north, it came to me that I've now ridden my Atlantis the 
> entire length of the Pacific Coast.  Pictures prove it happened:
>
> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/8120460
>
> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

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Thansk for the 411 on that, Rod!

I'm liking the looks of the Ulv as well: http://ravn.rawlandcycles.com/#ulv 

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 6:32:47 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
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> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 12:05:05 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
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>> news regarding the Ravn progress, over on the rCog forum.  Looks like that 
>> project might be dead.  Or at least its not going to be the uber-bike that 
>> it once was.  Lots of angry and disappointed people.   Seems they've been 
>> having trouble getting a manufacturer who is skilled enough to build with 
>> the flexy, raked fork blades, cantilever brakes, and precision tubing 
>> tolerances.  .   I really hope that doesn't mean that these tires will be 
>> available only as a fleeting thing.  As pointed out above, there probably 
>> aren't that many non-custom bikes out there that can even utilize them, 
>> other than these XO-1s, All Rounders and smaller Atlanti.  
>>
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> metamorphoses, in the best Rawland tradition. A pretty attractive bicycle 
> emerged from that: light, lively, and low-trail, with canti or V brakes, 
> and, of course, clearance for the Rat Trap Pass tires, with fenders, 
> available as a frameset or a complete. As you relate, Rawland's long-time 
> Taiwanese fabrication vendor seems to have gotten stupid (probably through 
> the loss of key personnel, the way it usually happens), and delivered a 
> botched prototype that just wasn't going to be the bicycle folks were 
> excited about. MEANWHILE... a different design, disc brakes based, was 
> going very well, AND a new fabrication partnership and Rawland business 
> model emerged. SO... the Ravn brand will now be applied to a different 
> bicycle, which can still be called "enduro all road", said to be available 
> in Spring 2016, as a complete bike only. This last detail caused a good 
> deal of consternation on rCOG, both because the likely price tag is spendy 
> (wouldn't cause a ripple in the as a Riv complete, of course), and because 
> the typical Rawland owner actually likes building up bikes to their taste 
> and/or spare parts bin. So the Ravn is still a viable egg, but will be a 
> different bird when it hatches. See http://ravn.rawlandcycles.com/ for 
> more on that, as it develops. Meanwhile, lots of folks are experimenting 
> with the Rat Traps on a variety of bikes: vintage 26" mtbs, 26" touring 
> bikes, disc bikes with the necessary clearance (e.g., the Elephant NFE), 
> purpose-built customs. Here's mine, a Surly Trucker DeLuxe with Rat Trap 
> Pass Extralights mounted under Planet Bike Cascadia ATB fenders; I've taken 
> to calling it the Monster Trucker. Like it a lot...
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> into what looks like an emerging market.  Regardless of subsequent 
> developments with the Ravn (and I wish Sean every success with it, btw), 
> looks to me like the Rat Trap Pass is here to stay. 
>
> rod
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[RBW] Re: Overnight camping this past weekend (Oahu, Hawaii)

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Bob, perfect ride and report, thanks for taking the time to do the write up!

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 10:45:39 AM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
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> Aloha all,
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> I've been busy lately and feeling like I needed to get out from under 
> everything so when a friend of mine let me know they would be camping this 
> weekend I jumped at the chance. 
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> Short Version:
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> Had a great ride 55 miles out and then back, stayed one night, had a great 
> time. :-)
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> Long Version:
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> They aren't cyclists but they did have a campsite at Malaekahana Beach 
> Campground  for the weekend so off I went. 
> My friends were actually there for three nights, Friday through Sunday as 
> they had off on Monday, but as I had to work both Friday and Monday it was 
> a classic SO24. Okay, maybe not completely classic as I didn't head out 
> after work, but it was just one night.
>
> Malaekahana is 55 miles from where I live on the route I usually take (the 
> other route involves climbing mountains and going through tunnels that 
> aren't bike friendly) so it's a full day's ride if you figure in breaks, a 
> bit of this, a bit of that, and generally remembering it's a bike ride not 
> a race.
>
> Naturally I left an hour later than I planned for one reason or another; 
> always the case. I was riding my Hunqapillar with HAR bags and a Large 
> Saddlesack. My gear included my Hennessy Hammock, a Trangia stove (good 
> thing too - my friends gas stove wasn't working and coffee is imperative), 
> and an ukulele (it's Hawaii after all). 
>
> The ride out was marred by a flat just about halfway. It was a front flat 
> that happened on a long downhill. It was a leak more than a blowout so 
> there was no loss of control (thankfully), just a realization that my tire 
> had gone very mushy. I'm riding Big Ben's so any flat is likely to be of 
> the slow variety because my tires are never at high pressure.
>
> Unfortunately with the HAR and bags I had to completely unpack the front 
> end to get the Pitlock skewer. Hawaii has a very definite stolen part 
> problem so I take a lot of precautions, though I won't sacrifice my riding 
> by using a something I'd not mind having stolen around town.
>
> After find the tiny kiawe thorn (read mesquite), I discovered that my pump 
> had come apart and the little bits of the head were floating about in my 
> Saddlesack. I had to unpack that too. Sigh.
>
> All of this added up to a 30 minute tire change instead of a 5 minute job 
> but hey, I was on a mini-vacation and wasn't in hurry. I celebrated being 
> slowed down by stopping at the next cafe and having a big iced coffee and 
> relaxing for a bit, I still had 25 miles to go so a cold drink break was 
> definitely in order.
>
> Soon I was off again and quickly reached the nicest part of Oahu's 
> Windward shore in my opinion, Kahaluu to Malaekahana. The road here runs 
> between the Pali (mountains) and the shore and the views can be spectacular 
> (from an earlier ride: https://flic.kr/p/iXXwCy).
>
> I stopped again with about 10 miles to go and had a snack of a bit of 
> cheese. It was the first food I'd eaten so far that day and I wasn't even 
> all that hungry, it was more an exuse to take another break before riding 
> the last few miles. I did take picture of my Hunq's setup, though i didn't 
> remember to get the drive train. Here she is: https://flic.kr/p/yJgWQs
>
> When I arrived I checked-in (it's a semi private campground (
> http://www.malaekahana.net/) and found our campsite. Only one of my 
> buddies was there at the time and as his stove was broken he'd been wanting 
> coffee for a while. I obliged. We actually needed to be a team for this as 
> his stove wasn't working and I'd forgotten my AeroPress. I had beans and 
> and grinder as well as the stove, he had preground coffee and a French 
> Press - between us we had coffee. 
>
> After a few minutes of relaxation I set up my Hennessy, unpacked the stuff 
> I needed (my ukulele) and camping was on!
>
> When everyone else showed up we headed the 50 yards down the beach and 
> swam for a bit, showered, and came back to the campsite to being dinner 
> prep. I didn't know what the drill wasn't going to be, and in fact I'd made 
> the right choice and brought my own food. The exception was a buddy who'd 
> bought some fresh whole mullet. He steamed those with garlic in foil on the 
> fire and it was ono (delicious). 
>
> The rest of my dinner consisted of a couple of hard boiled eggs, a can of 
> sardines, some more cheese, a piece of sausage. I'm pretty easy to please 
> and mostly eat bacon and avoid jogging. To be honest, I wasn't that hungry 
> even after 55 miles of riding and 30 minutes of pretending to swim (in the 
> water, mostly be lazy).
>
> After dinner around the campfire I entertained with the ukulele for a bit, 
> we chatted about old time (I've had these folks as friends for 25+ years) 
> and then I headed to bed. They stayed up a bit but 

Re: [RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

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What Steve said.

A 29x3" tire. Not quite a fat bike (>4") but larger than your everyday 29er 
hovering around 2.25".

A 27.5+ wheel (3") seems like the "it" size of the moment, especially as 
you can retrofit them into a 29er frame that can fit a 29X2.4" tire.

But as I mentioned above... mass. I like my wheels light! That's my one 
problem with 29ers, and why I'm toying with going to a 27.5 MTB (non plus).


On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> All right, I'll bite: what is "29+" ??  And why would someone want it? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

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I don't know... my regular 29ers are way heavy with a lot of inertia... 
there's a lot of mass there. 29+ just seems like I'd be moving a lot more 
rubber and metal around. 27.5+ seems a lot more reasonable to work with. 
Especially with a diameter/circumference similar to a regular 29er 
wheel/tire. Haven't been on either, so happy to be proven wrong. 

On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 6:52:38 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Thanks.   And my advice is to skip the 27.5 plus thing altogether, wait in 
> the wings and save you pennies, and just go straight for 29+.  It's kind of 
> a good parallel to the Rivendell/Rawland/Compass experience.  The 
> mainstream industry wants to sell you whatever trend they're cooking, but 
> the really revolutionary stuff is happening elsewhere.   29+ is just 
> amazing and a whole level superior - especially if you want a rigid bike, 
> which I suspect you would.
>
>
>> Patrick Moore, who talked at length this morning with the Western States 
>> Jamis rep (parked at Fat Tire Cycles) about the demise of 26" and the new 
>> so-called 27.5" Plus -- Jamis has a new model for a 3" 27.5 tire; too bad I 
>> don't have $2,700.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

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I meant what Patrick said.

Here's a real nice B+ bike: http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/dragonslayer.html

But really more bike than I need to pay the premium to get it.


On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:27:30 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> What Steve said.
>
> A 29x3" tire. Not quite a fat bike (>4") but larger than your everyday 
> 29er hovering around 2.25".
>
> A 27.5+ wheel (3") seems like the "it" size of the moment, especially as 
> you can retrofit them into a 29er frame that can fit a 29X2.4" tire.
>
> But as I mentioned above... mass. I like my wheels light! That's my one 
> problem with 29ers, and why I'm toying with going to a 27.5 MTB (non plus).
>
>
> On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> All right, I'll bite: what is "29+" ??  And why would someone want it? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

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With Challenge, the open tubular means the tires are super flat. They're 
great when mounted, but a bit of a bear to get mounted!

On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:44:13 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> These look great! Hopefully they won't be $80 a piece ..
>
> What does "tubular casing" mean? Like, 'open tubular' aka clincher?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/
>>
>> Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma! This is what I've 
>> been waiting for on my Atlantis, something like the 650x42 Compass tire but 
>> in 700. They've also got a 38mm version
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tire Review: WTB Nano 40

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I agree with everything Mike wrote! In fact, I bought based partially on 
his experiences with those as well as the 
MSOs http://www.blackmtncycles.com/2012/06/tale-of-two-tires-part-2.html

I'd say the two are comparable, with the Nanos being a bit better in 
dirt/looser stuff, the MSOs a bit better on road/hardpack. I have both 
mounted on different bikes, and have no real inclination to pull them off 
for road rides!

Follow up: I did go over the Nanos last night picking out the thorns that 
broke off, and both tires flatted. But like I mentioned, it wasn't a 
problem in the field, which is where it counts!!!



On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 9:50:01 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting your review. 
>
> I had read the Black Mountain Cycles review last year 
> http://www.blackmtncycles.com/2014/05/theres-new-tire-in-town.html but 
> the thorn resistance is good news!
>
> John
>
>
> On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 9:49:59 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> I've had these on my Salsa for most of the summer up to now, and they 
>> have been riding great. They're a touch slower on the road than my favorite 
>> all-rounder tire, the Clement X'Plor MSO . But a lot more grab in the dirt, 
>> including singletrack. What really impressed me yesterday and inspired this 
>> posting was riding through a lot of goathead thorns. Almost all of the 
>> thorns were embedded in the raised tread portions and didn't puncture the 
>> tube. I was able to pull them all out. The few that were in the regular 
>> surface I was able to break off without releasing the pressure. Rode home 
>> without catastrophe!!! Still have to face the consequences this afternoon, 
>> but not having to change a tube mid-ride makes all the difference!
>>
>> Plug for local to me retailer: 
>> http://www.jensonusa.com/WTB-Nano-Race-700C-Tire  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for my Hunq

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Can't say enough good about the Burts. I took them off my Salsa for a bit, 
need to get them back on!

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 6:03:13 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Super Motos are great tires.  They are very fast on the road and float 
> well in the dirt.  
>
> However, based on your dirt-biased riding, I'd recommend the Thunder 
> Burt.  Its knobs (especially on the edges) will help you climb out of ruts 
> that the Super Moto may slide down into.
>
> The Thunder Burt 
> 
>  is 
> lighter than the Super Moto 
> 
>  
> as well.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Takashi  > wrote:
>
>> I recently bought Continental Race King (Race Sport) 29x2.0.
>> I will write about them on another thread (tire test and impression 
>> thread) sometime, but I don't have time now.
>>
>> To be brief, their tread pattern is more off-road-oriented than Thunder 
>> Burt, thus less smooth (but acceptable) on pavement.
>> They seem to roll well both on- and off-pavement.
>>
>> Some on-line reviews say that they are vulnerable, some say durable.
>> I have yet to judge their durability.
>>
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>
>> 2015年10月8日木曜日 9時38分49秒 UTC+9 Daniel Jackson:
>>
>>> I will ride 85% dirt roads, 15% paved with my Hunq in northern VT. No 
>>> singletrack with this machine. 
>>>
>>> The dirt roads up here I think are different than those that have 
>>> captivated the gravel grinding craze of late - here they are either hard 
>>> packed dirt, recently graded looser fine grained dirt with golf ball size 
>>> rocks, or straight up mud/ice mixture come winter. There really isn't any 
>>> of that finer grained gravel that people wax on about and for which 
>>> something like the Rat Trap was designed. 
>>>
>>> In winter, I run Schwalbe's Ice Spiker Pros, a tire I am firmly 
>>> committed to. 
>>>
>>> The rest of year, what tires should I run? Right now debating between 
>>> Thunder Burts (2.25) and Super Motos (2.35). 
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice!
>>> D.   
>>>
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[RBW] Tire Review: WTB Nano 40

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I've had these on my Salsa for most of the summer up to now, and they have 
been riding great. They're a touch slower on the road than my favorite 
all-rounder tire, the Clement X'Plor MSO . But a lot more grab in the dirt, 
including singletrack. What really impressed me yesterday and inspired this 
posting was riding through a lot of goathead thorns. Almost all of the 
thorns were embedded in the raised tread portions and didn't puncture the 
tube. I was able to pull them all out. The few that were in the regular 
surface I was able to break off without releasing the pressure. Rode home 
without catastrophe!!! Still have to face the consequences this afternoon, 
but not having to change a tube mid-ride makes all the difference!

Plug for local to me retailer: 
http://www.jensonusa.com/WTB-Nano-Race-700C-Tire  

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe big apples 29x2.35 on 58cm Atlantis? And other fatties

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They're light, flexible, offer decent cornering grip in the dirt, and ride 
well on asphalt. They best thing I can say is that I don't notice they're 
there on pavement. Can't say that about many 2" knobbies!


On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 11:12:31 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I've recently become interested in the Thunder Burts.  How do they do on 
> the pavement, compared to other tires you ridden?  I've got a Surly Karate 
> Monkey so now I can go as fat as I care to!  I'm running 40mm Duremes right 
> now but want to jump to 50-60mm tires but I want a true 50+mm tire that is 
> relatively lightweight but with decent puncture protection.   Big 
> Apples/Bens are too heavy. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 12:06:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> One thing I've learned is I much prefer soft, supple tires to stiff, flat 
>> protection tires. And I haven't had more flats (your milage will obviously 
>> vary). The ride is soo smoth. Plush. Delicious. Thunder Burts 
>> are up there on supple scale and give an amazing ride.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 7:50:41 PM UTC-6, mike gasparino wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone tried this set up? Do they fit? Trying to go fat as I can. 
>>> Considering the 55cm big bens as well. I'm not looking for anything too 
>>> gnarly as far as tread due to only riding gravel and pavement. Any 
>>> recommendations are much appreciated! 
>>> Michael 
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

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I notice the largest donation is from RBW RBW.


On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 3:22:02 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting, Bill. I just pitched in. Check the comment from Grant 
> on the GoFundMe page.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

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Thanks for posting that, Bill.

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:21:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>
> Charlie Cunningham suffered a head injury (among other injuries) in a bike 
> crash.  If you've ever felt the twang to thank Charlie for his visionary 
> contributions to cycling (particularly cycling off pavement), this is a 
> good opportunity to act on that twang.  
>
> thoughts, prayers, and a few dollars
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Coffee outside.

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It does make things convenient!


On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Doug,
>
> As versatile as the Riv's are Mr. Cyclotourist has a few of them to aid in 
> versatility :^)
>
> Notice the handle bar setup.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:17 AM, dougP  
> wrote:
>
>> Now that's a contrast that shows the versatility of a Rivendell.  
>> Yesterday's photo looks like rigged for winter.  Been mulling on fenders 
>> for the Atlantis, given the El Nino predictions.  After 12 years, it could 
>> be time for them.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 9:42:56 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I joined the club for a sunny-day open-wheeled roadster ride: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/21300051014
>>>
>>> It was a different story today... much better coffee weather!
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/21935612112/
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>>
 I reckon my dance did the trick! Joaquin moved on and water fell from 
 the skies above thirsty SoCal. All is some what right in the bicycle 
 universe.

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh
 On Oct 4, 2015 9:16 PM, "Eunice Chang"  wrote:

> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157659460783992
>
> Made it! Thank goodness for fenders. And sorry all the panicking on 
> east coast made Joaquin go further east. I'm sure he would have liked to 
> visit California. (Maybe someone needs to sing California Dreamin' with 
> rainsticks?)
>
> -E.
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote:
>
>> I'll do an anti-rain dance for you tonight...and hopefully the rain 
>> will fall on poor old parched Southern California. Hope you get it in 
>> tomorrow. 
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>> On Oct 3, 2015 8:49 PM, "Eunice Chang"  wrote:
>>
>>> I see you already did one! Yay! I'm seriously challenged as I'm 
>>> dealing with water torture, I mean rain, I mean Hurricane Joaquin (it's 
>>> actually been raining nonstop for two straight weeks. Everybody, 
>>> including 
>>> the bikes, have cabin (shed? stable?) fever. 
>>>
>>> Hopefully tomorrow is more promising...
>>>
>>> -E.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well then I guess it's official! Better get my coffee making game 
 on.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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> On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 7:46:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Do I have to commit to it now? 
>>
>
> I already signed you up! ;-)
>
> -Shawn 
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[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

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I don't know... King Iris cages are currently out of stock, and still are 
shown on the site. 
They only say out of stock when you attempt to put one in your cart.


On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Apparently when Riv is temporarily out of items it is pulling the item 
> page altogether with plans to return when merchandise is back in stock.  At 
> least that was the consensus when I recently started a thread on the 
> missing MUSA Pants ad.  Given the double leg kickstands come from 
> Switzerland, I imagine there is a definite buy window.  When Riv gets more 
> the ad comes back.
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 2:27:23 PM UTC-5, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>
>> It looks like the double legger is no longer available through Riv's web 
>> site.  Not out of stock but non-existent.  Did I miss something?
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 6:51:02 PM UTC-7, Will @ Riv wrote:
>>>
>>> Basically it's this, and I'm sorry we've been unclear about it: We have 
>>> two kickstand plates, a stout one with almost a quarter inch thick steel 
>>> and a lighter one that is about as thick as a nickel. Most recent Taiwanese 
>>> frames have the stout plates, and most Waterford-built frames have the 
>>> thinner plates, but there's probably some overlap somewhere. You can bolt a 
>>> double legger directly to a thick plate and not worry about it, but the 
>>> heavy weight and super strong spring of the double will sometimes slowly 
>>> pry the thin plates off towards the bottom bracket shell, so if you have 
>>> one of those and you want to use a double, use the sandwich hardware and 
>>> run the long bolt through the hole in the plate to the kickstand. You can 
>>> (and maybe should) do that on the stout plates too if you want to be extra 
>>> safe. Singles are what the plates were designed around, and those are fine 
>>> on either plate, always. 
>>>
>>> It's a rare problem, but one we figured out a little late in the game, 
>>> so if it's happening to you please give us a call and we'll do our absolute 
>>> best to help you. Talk to me or Keven.
>>>
>>> -Will
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Laid off and in a Quandary

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Sounds like the CSA model: http://www.localharvest.org/csa/ 

We belong to one, and it's great.


On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-7, Reid wrote:
>
> Starting a farm is not such a bad idea. An Ex of mine and her current 
> hubby started a farm where they grow organic veggies. This is a few miles 
> north of Duluth Minnesota! They have people subscribe ahead of time and 
> then deliver a "basket" of whatever is in season every couple weeks (I 
> think, could be wrong about that part). It's a fairly popular business 
> model these days, although I can't remember the official term for it, but 
> you should be able to find info about it on the web. They have been very 
> successful as the idea is very popular with the nearby (20 miles or so) 
> city folks.
>
> Best of luck with whatever you choose to do.
>
> Reid
>
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Re: [RBW] Coffeeneuring Ride on Redwood.

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I squeeze 32mm tires into my frame, but it's built around a 28mm size. 
Going to a 42B size would drop me down 9mm. That's a chunk of loss there!

But the new me is 100% content with the bike I have, yes I am. 100%, sir!


On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:19:42 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> During the conversion of the Redwood, I finally came to the realization 
> about overall wheel diameter. Granted, larger tires will have more tire 
> drop so that will affect overall bb height during riding. However, consider 
> the overall wheel diameter of a 700c wheel with a skinny tire - 700cx23mm 
> is the same overall diameter as 650bx42mm. It'd be silly to run a 700x23 
> tire on a bike with clearances for larger tires, but I doubt many would be 
> concerned about bb height as the original wheel size is preserved.
> In short - try it out for sure.
> I actual prefer the handling of this bike with the 47mm tires rather than 
> the 40mm tires as it gets the overall wheel diameter closer to what the 
> bike was designed for.
> David
> Chicago 
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 10:37:19 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> I always toy with the idea of a b conversion, but the lowish BB on my 
>> bike is a concern. But maybe not so much of one that I shouldn't do it!
>> Thanks for the datapoint!
>>
>> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 7:55:47 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>>
>>> I had some concerns when I was riding with Hetres (40mm or so, didn't 
>>> give them a chance to stretch) and recently when I tried the 1.75" Pari 
>>> Motos (actual 38/39mm). Mostly just brushing a shoe when I forgot going 
>>> around tight corners, usually at a slow speed. With the VR Speedsters 
>>> (actual 47mm) there really isn't a concern at all. I think I figured it's 
>>> the same overall diameter as a 700x28c tire.
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 11:01:12 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:

 That bike looks great as a B conversion. Any pedal-strike problems with 
 it's relatively low bottom bracket?

 On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Short blog post about a short bike ride to get a short cup of coffee.
> Riv content - took Redwood, freshly shod with A23 wheelset. Vee Rubber 
> Speedsters back on and feel nice and cushy.
> http://treetopbags.blogspot.com/2015/10/coffeeneuring-ride-1.html
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Coffeeneuring Ride on Redwood.

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I always toy with the idea of a b conversion, but the lowish BB on my bike 
is a concern. But maybe not so much of one that I shouldn't do it!
Thanks for the datapoint!

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 7:55:47 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I had some concerns when I was riding with Hetres (40mm or so, didn't give 
> them a chance to stretch) and recently when I tried the 1.75" Pari Motos 
> (actual 38/39mm). Mostly just brushing a shoe when I forgot going around 
> tight corners, usually at a slow speed. With the VR Speedsters (actual 
> 47mm) there really isn't a concern at all. I think I figured it's the same 
> overall diameter as a 700x28c tire.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 11:01:12 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> That bike looks great as a B conversion. Any pedal-strike problems with 
>> it's relatively low bottom bracket?
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>
>>> Short blog post about a short bike ride to get a short cup of coffee.
>>> Riv content - took Redwood, freshly shod with A23 wheelset. Vee Rubber 
>>> Speedsters back on and feel nice and cushy.
>>> http://treetopbags.blogspot.com/2015/10/coffeeneuring-ride-1.html
>>> David
>>> Chicago
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Albastashes on a Cheviot; advice sought!

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L, sounds like you've worked through this already, but as others have 
mentioned, the Alba*tross* is lower and more forward than the Boscos. 
Direct swap of mountain-style  levers as well. I've swapped between the two 
on the same stem, and for me, the Boscos are too close, whilst the Albas 
are too low. Wish I could get the height of one and the reach of the other, 
but not to be found in nature. 

So there you go, more muddle for you!


On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Oh my goodness, I love this helpful group!
>
> @ Dan: Good to know you have stem shifters; that's in the realm of 
> discussion as I put them on my Saluki.  Really looking forward to pics of 
> the cheviot-albastache-soma mash-up if you gottem!
>
> @ Joe & Drew: very helpful comments about the albatosses; we'll find an 
> 'trossed bike and take her for  spin (I have one in mind, Sergio ;) )
>
> @ Justin & John: thanks for strategies to dial in stem length.
>
> @ James:  thanks for bringing up the Bullmooses; I had thought of and then 
> kind of quickly forgot/dismissed them.
>
> @ Ted & John: eternal thanks for the reminders about 25.4 v. 26.0 stem 
> clamps and road levers vs. mtn levers.  That coulda extended my mechanic 
> time to spread out over multiple weeks instead of a weekend!
>
> I have some memory of a fantastic graphic that overlays all of the bars 
> that riv sells...am I dreaming?  If it exists, any got a link or reference?
>
> I'm trying not to spend more than I can sell the bosco cockpit for and/or 
> figuring out how much of two complete cockpits I'll pull apart..  The 
> cockpits are:  (1) the old school mustache cockpit with dirt drop stem, 
> shimano road levers, and green cotton tape with amber shellack; and (2) the 
> bosco mooses with paul thumbies, meisha's cork grips, Shimano MTB silver 
> levers, and non-shellacked blue cotton tape with orange and blue harlequin 
> across the bar where the stem clamp would be.  If anyone has any interest 
> in either cockpit, it would be helpful to know in my decision-making 
> process.  My client, er, partner is less well versed in these intricacies!
>
> Here's the Cheviot as it is currently configured:
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen Sam Hillborne

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Yes, that's my same response. Sorry to hear about the bike, glad she's 
okay. Hopefully emotionally okay as well!


On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 10:12:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Really sorry to hear that : (, glad she wasn't hurt.
>
> www.searchtempest.com does a national craiglist search as well as ebay 
> results included. You just type in keyword, and your zip code and does 
> search nearest you. definitely see if someone was selling the parts out 
> separately.
>
> I would also alert bike shops in the Philly area, as well as seeing if 
> there is a facebook Philly marketplace and/or stolen bike page. Philly has 
> a large biking population so I would imagine someone would have organized 
> those kinds of pages.
>
> Does she have renter's insurance? Maybe she could get it covered if she 
> did. She would have to file a police report though.
>
> I'll keep my eyes peeled. Best of luck.
>
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 12:39:45 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> Sad news – my daughter-in-law was mugged carrying her nearly new Sam 
>> Hillborne up the steps to her house in Philly.  This happened a few weeks 
>> ago – she didn't want to tell me.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good news – she wasn't hurt.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> The kids who stole the bike were in their early teens, but I expect that 
>> they quickly sold it to someone who had some inkling of what he was getting 
>> his hands on, and it was probably parted  out.  Nevertheless, I thought I'd 
>> put out a couple of pictures, just in case someone sees it on eBay or 
>> Craigslist (would someone who knows how to do a national Craigslist search 
>> shoot me back a how-to?). It's a unique build – Shimano Alfine 11/SON hubs, 
>> a vintage Alu-Dur chainguard, nice dynamo lighting – so it shouldn't be 
>> hard to spot.  Here are a couple of pics:
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15837018988/in/album-72157645751093391/
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/1583688/in/album-72157645751093391/
>>
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>>
>> I know there's not much hope, but I figured it couldn't hurt to put the 
>> word out.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

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Schwalbe seems to be the way to go! I had some on a bike I sold, and no 
problems. Of course the Q-tubes are problem free on the other rims as 
well... :-) 

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:48:21 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I've never had good experiences with Q tubes and Kenda tubes. I switched 
> to schwalbe and have never looked back since. Same rims, same tires.
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 4:17:08 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting thought. They are Q-tubes. 700X35-43mm. 
>> But, the exact same tubes I have on six bikes, including the rear wheel 
>> on this one w/ same Synergy rims. This is the only rim out of 12 that is 
>> doing this???
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:19 PM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>
>>> What tubes were you using? It sounds more like defective tubes than a 
>>> defective rim.
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 1:54:10 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:

 Third flat in two years from valve stem ripping out of the tube on my 
 front Velocity Synergy rim. First two were catastrophic during rides, 
 almost dumping me. The third time was this morning when I went out to the 
 garage.

 Rim tape seems fine. No burrs on valve stem hole. I put an extra layer 
 of Velox tape over to reinforce the area. Cut out a small 1X1cm of tube 
 and 
 slipped over the valve stem to reinforce that. I don't over-tighten the 
 valve lock-nut and am leaving it off after this morning repair. 

 Running out of options here! Any suggestion? If not, is this possibly a 
 warranty issue for defective rim? I'd hate to send it back and have 
 Velocity write about me on their blog.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Valve Stem eating Synergy Wheels

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I don't know about Bonty, but Novara tubes are made in China vs. Taiwan for 
Q or Indonesia for Schwalbe.


On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 1:18:00 PM UTC-7, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> Same here. My LBS used to stock Continentals, which worked great; I 
> typically ran them for 3K-5K miles. Ever since they dropped the Contis and 
> replaced them with Kenda/Q-Tubes, the stupid things blow all the time. I've 
> been going out to RBWHQ for Contis for the last year, but I just noticed 
> that the Rubenas are back in stock and so the Contis are gone. I haven't 
> quite mustered the consumer will to spring for Schwalbes, but that's the 
> logical next step. I'd been thinking of getting a pair or two of Challenge 
> Strada Biancas from Wiggle, so that's a good opportunity to load up on Euro 
> tubes for cheap.
>
> I'm not sure who the OEM is for Bontrager or Novara (REI house label) 
> tubes, but I assume they're also Kendas. Eccch.
>
> Peter "Conti tubes + Compass EL = heaven" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:48:21 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> I've never had good experiences with Q tubes and Kenda tubes. I switched 
>> to schwalbe and have never looked back since. Same rims, same tires.
>>
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