[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

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Such a fantastic build, Brenton! 

Is the bike giving you what you were looking for in your +1 from your 
country bike?

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to all the advice and guidance from folks here on my second 
> Rivendell build! Turns out there are quite a few folks with a "Country 
> Bike" that also went for a +1 Roadini. 
>
> I've set up my 2017 Sam Hillborne several different ways; first it was 
> drops+road focused, then it was a Riv 1.0 camping basket bike, then it got 
> lighter wheels and no basket, then flat bars and knobbies, then it lost 
> it's F+R racks, fenders have come and gone, and in each phase it's been 
> "perfect". 
>
> I just *wanted* a +1 and the +1 was to be lighter and faster. Months ago 
> I was looking at 90s racing and sport tourers as cheaper alternatives to a 
> Roadini, perhaps also lighter, and less well rounded, and more definitively 
> alternative to my Sam. I test rode some: Specialized Sequoia, Waterford 22 
> Series, Bridgestone RB1. Nothing felt like the right move. I was being 
> patient, doing the research, etc, when a Roadini frameset in my size and my 
> preferred color was posted here, and the owner Lived 2 hours away. Let's go.
>
> Using Sam's lighter wheelset, former drop bar cockpit, and a few other 
> parts bin items, I was able to keep the entire build within my budget. I 
> bought a lot of NOS and pre-owned components for great prices. Stoked. I'm 
> happy with how it came out. There's a whole bunch of component 
> interchangeability with these two bikes, which *may* come in handy some 
> day. Weather in PNW has been bad for riding, good for wrenching. I still 
> haven't ridden it yet. 
>
> The only thing I was not stoked on was the Ultegra FD inner cage plate 
> rubbed the middle ring when shifting to big ring. It was already up 
> high-ish to not hit the chainstay. So now it's even higher out of 
> necessity. It bothers me a lil bit. Bars and seat height+angle subject to 
> change after test ride. Right now the drops swing just under the top tube 
> to avoid dings.
>
> [image: LM000884.jpeg]
> [image: LM000881.jpeg]
> [image: LM000880.jpeg]
> [image: LM000883.jpeg]
> [image: LM000887.jpeg]
>
> Build List:
> 57cm Roadini Sergio Green
> Nitto Noodle 48cm bars
> Nitto Tallux 8cm stem
> Shimano Tiagra levers
> Blue Lug cotton tape (not as long as newbaums)
> Tektro R559 brakes
> Nissen clear housing
> Velocity Dyad 32H, Deore w/11-32, SP front hub
> Ultradynamico Cava 700x42
> Sugino XD2 46/36/24
> Ultegra 6500 FD + RD
> Suntour Superbe DT shifters
> Wellgo Pedals with *gasp *cages
> Brooks C17 seat
> King bottle cages
> A few brass bling bits from Riv + Blue Lug
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Crust Malocchio XL (first run in blue/fits 42s front & rear) for Roadini, etc.

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Sorry to be annoying and derail, but why are you wanting to make this 
particular trade? Something not working out with the Malocchio for you?

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 9:31:59 AM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> This is the first run in light blue where the rear brake bridge was 
> positioned correctly so it fits 42s front & rear. Comes with a Campy Record 
> Headset. Very small dent on the top tube and a small paint chip on the seat 
> lug point. 
> Just wanted to put feelers out before I get into posting pictures. I'm 
> looking for a 57cm Roadini, or a 63-64cm road frame with more relaxed 
> geometry that fits at least a 32(ideally a 35). 
>

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[RBW] Re: Wanting to try an AHH 47.5 or 51 in Boston

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I'd follow Riv's sizing guidelines, bearing in mind that they plan for a 
decent amount of crotch clearance. So if you're on the edge and would 
prefer a taller head tube, size up, and if you're wanting a shorter reach, 
size down. I think a lot of this depends on what kind of handlebar you're 
planning on and your desired riding position. 
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 10:11:06 AM UTC-4 Stephanie A. wrote:

> Hi everyone! As I continue (spending probably way too much money and time) 
> altering my pandemic bike (which looks splendid but is probably a size too 
> small and, gasp, aluminum), I've been scoping out which Riv I might buy in 
> the future. I'm between an AHH and a Platy, heavily leaning toward the AHH 
> to have a zippier feeling bike and a diamond frame. As much as I love 
> seeing people touring and bike packing, I'm not sure that I'll ever do more 
> than commute, lug sometimes heavy CSA shares or work stuff, and ride on 
> pavement or packed dirt. The AHH seems to give me the flexibility to go at 
> least a little beyond that if I want to.
>
> What I'm most unsure of is sizing. My PBH is right on the line at around 
> 80cm. I want to avoid buying an expensive non-returnable new or used bike 
> and feeling like I should have gotten a different size--or different model.
>
> To that end, does anyone in the Boston area have an AHH in 47.5 or 51 that 
> they'd be willing to let me stand over in the Common?
>
> Many thanks,
> Stephanie, who is really hoping that the more common size of 51 will fit 
> so that her chances of eventually getting a gold AHH are moderately higher 
> than if only the 47.5 fits
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

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Agree with Joe. The best 31.8 noodle is a noodle with a shim :)

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:55:54 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Thanks, Joe! I'll check out the doohickey...
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:03 PM, Joe Bernard
>  wrote:
>
> This doohickey works. I have one in a SOMA open stem holding a 25.4 Billie 
> Bar, just make sure you pick the 26.0 version for Noodles. 
>
> Riv only seems to have them in black and it's kind of annoying on my stem 
> cuz the face plate has a big-old hole in the front where you can see the 
> shim, but the Nitto Face Plater doesn't have that. Maybe someone else sells 
> a silver shim. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/aluminum-handlebar-shim-25-4-or-26-0-to-31-8-wheels-manufacturing
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 7:07:49 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
> Hey, all:
>
> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8 
> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.
>
> Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a 
> Noodle and stem for change outs...
>
> Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I 
> plan on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Scott
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[RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

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I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
Anatomica. 

I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 

Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
similar riding configuration?

Zack
Toronto, Canada

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[RBW] Roadini vs San Marcos

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I have been happily riding my San Marcos for a few years but have always 
been curious about the Roadini. Has anyone ever had the pleasure of riding 
both, and could comment on the differences? I'm considering going for one 
in the upcoming presale.

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

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Sounds incredible, Bill! Looking forward to seeing the outcome. 

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:19:23 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George
>
> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major difference 
> I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height (aka drop).  A 
> cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more "nervous" aka 
> "agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and "stable".  I own 
> a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my normal Roadeo.  
> Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them on brevets in 
> 2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on two 50 milers 
> this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more nervous the 
> Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that to the 
> difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height than a 
> lot of cyclocross bikes.  
>
> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently between a 
> cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas and a 59cm 
> Roadeo.  
>
> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on the 
> 59 (his size).  It's a few mm even lower.  
>
> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and a 
> "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.  
>
> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever road 
> bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo 
>> as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
>> cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
>> a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
>> years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
>> that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
>> frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
>> built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
>> Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
>> suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
>> been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
>> from Riv.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>>>
>>> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending 
>>> that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  
>>> Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf 
>>> cyclocross bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever 
>>> brakes ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label 
>>> to my forthcoming bike?
>>>
>>> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.


 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own 
> a Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
> about the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've 
> made 
> no secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, 
> Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv 
> road 
> bike would be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, 
> Roadeo Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my 
> money where my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would 
> buy my existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv 
> and 
> order a Canti-Roa.  
>
> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame 
> and fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the 
> moment, 
> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] WTB Jitensha bar / Nitto B2522

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Let me know if you're holding!

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[RBW] WTT 47 San Marcos for 50 Roadini or 51 San Marcos

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Anyone need a smaller bike?

Primarily looking to do a frameset swap. 

If trading for a Roadini, let's also swap wheels since the San Marcos is 
650b. 

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[RBW] Re: Susie in a downhill bike park

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This reminds me of the guy who took his Jones bike to a bike 
park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEMnTtV7v0=3s

On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:48:30 PM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I would have loved to see that. 
> I would subscribe to your YouTube channel!
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, Ca 
>
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:50:45 PM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thought folks might be interested in my recent experience taking my Susie 
>> to Deer Valley lift-serviced downhill bike park.  Overall it was highly 
>> enjoyable despite dealing with ridiculous bros.
>>
>> Got a ton of looks and comments, ranging from very positive ("Right on!", 
>> "Old school!", "Love it!") to puzzled and dismissive ("good luck, buddy").
>>
>> She handled great! I don't ride downhill hardly ever, but she was super 
>> balanced even on the black diamond stuff that the bros were tearing down. I 
>> was able to keep up with my friends who were basically riding soft dually 
>> suspended pillows. I found my Tosco bars to be perfect for the descents, 
>> and my 2.5" Terravail's at 10psi to be enough to absorb a lot of the bumps 
>> and grippy in tight corners.
>>
>> I was a little nervous about how she would do on some fairly gnarly 
>> terrain and she was great.  Not looking to spend too much time at bike 
>> parks, but good to know she is up for the challenge if I do.
>>
>

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[RBW] Do you stand and pull with upright bars?

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I've been interested in switching to albatross bars but one of my concerns 
is that it'll be difficult to stand, pedal hard, and pull on the bars. I do 
a lot of city riding, so being able to do this from a stop or rolling stop 
is a key part of my riding. 

I've watched Dan Stroud's (aka hobocross) video on how he sets up his albas 
to have more of a "hoods" position, which seems like a natural solution to 
this problem, but in his video he doesn't seem to stand and pull a whole 
lot. 

Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGokAt6XAi0=152s

Anyone have thoughts/experience with this?

Zack
Toronto/DC

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[RBW] Re: Seat bag security

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Wow. Ricky, I'd love to see a picture of that setup if you have one. 

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:19:15 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> When I lived in Chicago and used a Carradice I would pair it with a 
> Pletscher rear rack with a mousetrap. When I parked the bike I would open 
> the mousetrap over the bag and then use a little padlock to lock a loop on 
> the bag to the mousetrap. It was an easy lockup trick and nobody every 
> messed with it. 
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>
>> On my Bart bike (which I leave at the station all day during non-covid 
>> times), I loop a thin braided steel cable (like 2-3mm diameter, ~10" long) 
>> through the bag and the seatpost binder bolt.  These were typically used to 
>> theft-deter quick release seat posts.  On at least a couple of occasions, I 
>> found my bag (just a cheap Jannd, but still, I don't want it stolen) 
>> hanging off the bike but still attached because the thief couldn't just 
>> walk off with it.  Of course, I don't leave anything valuable in the bag, 
>> and you could pretty easily cut through the cable if you were determined.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 7:16:09 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've always wanted to attach a fancy Sackville bag to my bike, but I 
>>> live in Toronto where stuff gets stolen off your bike all the time. So I've 
>>> resigned myself to only using bike parts I can bolt down.
>>>
>>> Anyone else deal with this? Any suggestions for locking down or 
>>> otherwise securing seat bags? 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Zack
>>> Toronto, Canada
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Seat bag security

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I've always wanted to attach a fancy Sackville bag to my bike, but I live 
in Toronto where stuff gets stolen off your bike all the time. So I've 
resigned myself to only using bike parts I can bolt down.

Anyone else deal with this? Any suggestions for locking down or otherwise 
securing seat bags? 

Cheers!

Zack
Toronto, Canada

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[RBW] A few WTBs...

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WTB:

HT Alu Albatross
Cork grips for bar ends
9CM tallux - 25.4
10CM tallux - 25.4
Crankset 165mm 46/30

I'm located in Toronto, Canada, so please ignore this ad if you don't want 
to ship outside the US. 

Thanks!

Zack
Toronto, Canada

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[RBW] WTB Tallux Stem

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26 clamp, 50mm reach. Riv is out, so hoping to get lucky here. 

Pick-up/ship to Washington DC

Thanks!

Zack

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[RBW] Re: Albastache Conversion--first ride review

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Dear Bill, 

Just checking in on your Ablastache conversion years later! Still using 
them with Leo? Or switched back to drops?

Cheers,

Zack

On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 2:50:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> As you know I did a 200k brevet on my Leo Roadini last weekend. I decided 
> a little while back to experiment with Albastache bars on the Roadini to 
> tweak it's spot in the stable a little bit.  I'm looking for the athletic 
> yet civilized vibe of a 1980s sport-touring machine, and I also wanted to 
> project kind of the 2019-version of a 1992 XO-1.  That XO-1 angle was 
> influenced in part that I was already running a Nitto/Ritchey stem that 
> originally came stock on a Bridgestone XO-1.  
>
> Last night I did the conversion. I pulled the 46cm Soba Noodle bars only.  
> Same stem, same shifters.  The only associated work was I took a couple 
> inches off the brake cable housing. The bar swap, tape job and first coat 
> of shellac took about an hour.  I left it to dry and this morning installed 
> the barcon shifters and took it for my 40-mile 3000ft commute to my 
> office.  Here's the look:
>
>
> [image: IMG_1142.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_1141.jpg]
>
> Executive summary: the Albastache bars are terrific.  They are neither 
> 'better' nor 'worse' than drop bars for me.  They are different and good 
> different. I'm happy to have an Albastache road bike in my stable and have 
> no qualms whatsoever about trying a 200k brevet on this bike in this 
> configuration.  
>
>
> Like drop bars, Albastache bars give me several good places to put my 
> hands.  I'm a cockpit fidgeter, and I move around quite a bit, particularly 
> when solo and particularly in the hills.  The selection of choices took a 
> couple of minutes to figure out, but they are all familiar and normal 
> feeling to me.  I did not use any of the super narrow real estate this 
> morning because my Ruthworks rackless Brevet Bag took up that space.  If we 
> think of Albastache bars as splayed out drop bars, then with my hands in 
> the 'drops' is a very upright comfortable cruising position.  I noticed 
> that the combination of my weight reasonably far back due to Leo's slack 
> seat tube angle, and my upper body up and back with the Albastache cockpit, 
> the steering felt VERY light, reminding me of the low trail bikes I've 
> ridden.  That light touch steerability Is not something I normally 
> associate with Rivendells.  When I plant myself into the beginning of the 
> hooks or all the way into the hooks, then I got more of the standard Riv 
> steering feel where I think where I want to go and my hips take care of 
> it.  
>
>
> The only awkwardness was deciding which position to use from a stop.  That 
> full forward position which puts my hands in a shape like they would be on 
> a straight bar, was the most awkward.  The best places were in the drops or 
> the beginning of the hook curve. That's the closest thing to the 
> on-the-hoods hand shape.  The cool thing is that I noticed when standing, 
> as I was rocking the bike, each time I slightly unloaded one hand, it was 
> easy to wander position like 1cm at a time.  Normally with drop bars I pick 
> my hand-spot, stand, do what I need to do, sit, and reposition my hands.  
> With Albastache I was able to wander around incrementally while standing, 
> which was kind of cool.  
>
>
> My full-tuck full-power positions sometimes had my elbows down below the 
> level of the drops.  On descents I found a position where my hands were in 
> the hooks near the brakelevers and my forearms were resting on the drops, 
> which was also kind of cool, like an aerobars position.  I did not attack 
> the ride itself, because the air quality is lousy from the wildfires.  Even 
> though the fire area is over 100 miles away, the smoke is everywhere, so I 
> took it comparatively easy.  For a speedcheck I went for a PR on the 
> descent down Redwood Road from the Chabot Park entrance to the Golf 
> Course.  This descent doesn't let me pedal much because I'm rolling too 
> fast.  My time mainly comes down to handling and aerodynamics.  I went for 
> a Strava PR and I got it.  Out of 16 total efforts on this segment, I was 
> 15 seconds faster than I had ever done it before (3:53 vs my previous best 
> of 4:08).  That's in the top 20% all-time on Strava, out of ~7000 riders.  
> Does that mean that Albastache bars are objectively faster than drop bars?  
> No.  But that result does support my opinion that I was not objectively 
> slower using Albastache bars on this bike.  
>
>
> So, I'm pleased with my initial experience on Albastache bars. I'm not 
> going to go replace all the drop bars on all my bikes, but I'm glad to have 
> an Albastache road bike on-hand.  It is a distinct possibility that I'll 
> freak out my SFR comrades by running this bike at the December 200k
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

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Austin, let us know how the bike turned out!

I'm always on the edge of buying this frame when Riv brings them out. Each 
new positive review brings me a little closer :)

Zack 
Toronto/DC

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 12:48:01 PM UTC-5 aus...@soundcoop.tv 
wrote:

> I'm in the process of building up my first Riv, a silver Roadini, and this 
> thread has me mighty excited. Thanks all,
>
> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:46:01 PM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:
>
>> Seems I can only post 1 at a time in this thread. Must have been 
>> something with the google change,
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

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Ash - any ride quality impressions relative to the Roadini or other Riv 
models?

On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 6:19:32 PM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> Recently I had a chance to look at CGH prototype in person at WHQ.  A 
> worthy successor to the  Roadini.  I really liked what I saw.Was ready 
> to put the money down if they would take it!   
>
> I'd have replaced those mini V-brakes with the upcoming Cantis.  But if 
> CHG comes with no canti studs, I'm going to pass.
>
> Leah, don't worry too much about parts shortage.  Being the Rivendell 
> Ambassador, l you would be able to crowd-source them here!
>
>
> On Saturday, 19 September 2020 at 19:54:22 UTC-7 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> Dang, I really wanted to get one of these, and hoped to be gainfully 
>> employed again by the time they are out. I’m no really interested anymore 
>> if it’s going to be made for long reach calipers. I don’t understand that 
>> change, but wish them well. Being able to run cantis was what was sealing 
>> the deal for me. It’s really a great design otherwise, but with big tire 
>> clearance, I really want cantis. 
>>
>> Eamon 
>> Seattle 
>
>

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[RBW] WTB pavement-oriented Riv (78 PBH)

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I've been looking into getting a new Roadini, but before I'm do, I'm 
curious if anyone has anything they'd like to part with

My PBH is 78, so I'd be a 50cm in the Roadinis or 47.5cm in the MIT AHHs. 
Not sure about the older models. 

Thanks all!

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